175 - Live at the Civic Center Music Hall in Oklahoma City

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] What's up?

[2] A second.

[3] Is that from a lawn?

[4] It does not look like what they stick out.

[5] Like, don't walk over here on this lawn.

[6] We just planted tulips.

[7] Holy shit you got.

[8] Holy, wow.

[9] Dude.

[10] Next level.

[11] Next level.

[12] Yeah.

[13] Ear drums.

[14] Who needs them?

[15] Boom.

[16] That's the goal, right?

[17] Blow out all eardrums.

[18] Jesus.

[19] First of all, are we in space?

[20] That's my first question.

[21] Is this normally a basketball arena?

[22] They put chairs in?

[23] It's quite large.

[24] Yeah.

[25] How are you guys?

[26] We didn't have anything prepared.

[27] We didn't know you guys.

[28] We didn't think it was going to be this intense between us.

[29] I just thought, I thought it was cats.

[30] my boots thank you oh yeah get into it why not get right into it then if she wants you to here was the risk here was the risk when we went and did the grand old offrey two weekends ago right beforehand i was reading some emails in our in our count and one of them was like here's my hometown by the way when you go to nashville don't wear a dress and cowboy boots because we make fun of all the tourists and Bachelorette parties who do that.

[31] So I was like, great, and I wore our heels.

[32] But then I was like, well, what if Oklahoma City is okay with it?

[33] And I really want to wear them.

[34] Yeah.

[35] Thank you.

[36] They don't have rules here.

[37] They're not trying to get up in our business about don't do this and we'll laugh at you if that.

[38] They're just like, come and listen to us scream, please.

[39] And to be fair, in L .A. we make fun of this too.

[40] so I don't know what I was thinking.

[41] I feel like these days everybody's a target, and they should be.

[42] Buck up.

[43] That's right.

[44] Deal with it.

[45] I love that outfit, though.

[46] It's really good.

[47] This was made by a murderino for specifically us.

[48] Sarah Duke from Toronto when we were there, she gave us dresses.

[49] Georgia tried to remind me of this moment, and I was just like, give me something else.

[50] I don't know.

[51] She's like, she gave us dresses in line.

[52] Like, no, nothing's coming back.

[53] Nothing at all.

[54] Maybe you didn't like yours, no. Ooh, don't see that.

[55] Pockets.

[56] Pockets.

[57] Two pockets?

[58] What the fuck?

[59] And she somehow was able to get this fucking A cup to get cleavage of all things.

[60] I've never, this is like, everyone look.

[61] Yeah, they want to.

[62] They're great.

[63] It feels like, I feel like a grown -up.

[64] Like, you know, when you try in your mom's choosing, I try it on my mom's boobs and walked around.

[65] Janet, what's up, Janet?

[66] Does Janet have tiny boobs?

[67] Janet has storebought.

[68] Stephen Mark this already.

[69] Janet has store -bought boobs.

[70] Oklahoma City, that is a secret for you to keep in this room.

[71] That is, that goes straight into the vault.

[72] I don't know if she cares.

[73] I think she's proud of it.

[74] Is she?

[75] Yeah, look, she fucking breastfed three.

[76] Why am I telling everyone this?

[77] Yeah, I am.

[78] But my dad, recently, we were hanging out and he was, Marty.

[79] I've had a lot of coffee, and I'm just dominating this conversation.

[80] No, I hope you do.

[81] He said to me, you know, when I'm in the audience and you start talking bad about your mom, I tell you to know, I don't care.

[82] Because he's just, it's fine, because I'm always like, I'm sorry, dad.

[83] He's like, I don't care.

[84] I guess a lot of shit went down between them.

[85] I guess so.

[86] I mean, look, what is it?

[87] Anne Lamont says, listen, sorry.

[88] Sorry to interrupt the now call and response show that we're doing.

[89] Everywhere we go.

[90] Everybody does it.

[91] I was just going to say, Anne Lamont, the great writer, has an amazing quote, right?

[92] Where she talks, because people, she teaches writing classes and people want to do autobiographical stuff.

[93] But then they're like, I feel bad writing about.

[94] my family and the stuff that they did.

[95] And she says, well, if they didn't want to get written about, they shouldn't have acted like that.

[96] Which is the best.

[97] That's right.

[98] So you get to say what you want.

[99] Yeah.

[100] May 28th, stay sexy and don't get murdered.

[101] The book.

[102] We did that.

[103] Talk about saying what we want and then only realizing afterwards that a whole bunch of people were going to read it.

[104] That's a weird thing about writing a book.

[105] It's for others.

[106] Right.

[107] It's odd.

[108] It's very odd.

[109] Too much lotion?

[110] I'm sweating.

[111] No, it's sweat.

[112] This is a dress by Simply B. Oh.

[113] Thanks.

[114] But I almost...

[115] Those are new!

[116] I almost don't want to play along because it does not have pockets.

[117] Oh.

[118] I know, I'm sorry.

[119] It's store -bought.

[120] Those are little kitten heels.

[121] I love them.

[122] We got these for free from some clothing place at some point.

[123] I don't remember that.

[124] And I remember when I got them, I'm going to look like a goat if I wear those.

[125] but I feel like it's spring and the goat look suits me. You know what I mean?

[126] I like it.

[127] I think it's good.

[128] What a goat's sick.

[129] These are my hooves.

[130] Do you want to live deliciously?

[131] Anybody?

[132] Can we get some grass out here for Karen?

[133] Oh, no, I wanted to apologize.

[134] When we pulled into the theater tonight, we got out of the car, and some best friends of ours pulled up in their car and then just screamed at the top of their lungs at us and I turned and looked I don't know what you did because you're on the other side of the car I just stared at them because the screaming was so intense I thought they were looking for the emergency room or they were being chased I was just kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop and then they just were like this at us and I was like I gotta get out of here what if they were doing that and the other girl that they were yelling to where's the emergency room was going hi that was me but they ended up they were just come in but they were like we need to know who the fuck are you we're bleeding so much blood in this car okay nice to see you so anyway sorry gals I'll scream back at you next time louder yeah and longer Yeah.

[135] It's just sometimes screaming like at 6 o 'clock is jarring.

[136] In the afternoon or in the morning?

[137] When it's still light outside and someone screams at you from a car, it's scary.

[138] Uh -huh.

[139] That's fair.

[140] Thank you.

[141] I know they meant well.

[142] I just feel like I know my face can get pretty serious and scary sometimes.

[143] And I hadn't blow dry my hair yet.

[144] So I'm sure there's a reel.

[145] You look like one of the witches from Macbeth turned around.

[146] stared at him.

[147] I didn't mean it like that.

[148] I didn't mean it.

[149] Speaking of, this is my favorite murder.

[150] This is my favorite murder.

[151] This is Georgia Hardstark.

[152] Thank you.

[153] Thank you.

[154] So much.

[155] Stephen is home.

[156] That's right.

[157] That's right.

[158] We're sad, too.

[159] He's not allowed here.

[160] His mustache would get in a fight with someone else's mustache.

[161] Then we'd have to bailing out again.

[162] The thing about having a performative mustache, like many men do in L .A., is that when you come to the Midwest and the center of the nation, you often get into gunfights that you aren't prepared for.

[163] You bring your mustache to a gunfight.

[164] It doesn't end well.

[165] Stephen has this.

[166] I'm going to talk some shit.

[167] No, I'm not.

[168] He has like a...

[169] Stephen, mark this about yourself.

[170] Take this out.

[171] He's like a chia pit.

[172] he just like he'll have this perfect quaffed everything and then you see in like two months everything kind of expands and then he goes and buys another chia pet and he's just like it's just like you can see how he's doing by his hair growth I hope he's selling that hair to wig makers and cancer centers all across the nation he could make so much money I was trying to think there's a couple corrections corners I have and it's fun to do them live like if something right something just gets posted then you just do it live oh the word I was trying to think of was Victorian that means anything to anyone from the other day I kept talking about a rough and then I dove into the Renaissance something I know almost nothing about and got real scared and froze and then whoever some friend of ours walked up and goes Victorian and I was like yes yes still know next to nothing about it I couldn't have helped even if you had gotten it right yeah it's uh there's a lot of areas we should not go into truly as you know and yet here we go yet here we are sit down time yeah oh someone stole these from the bar at the residence in hey are you in town on business I feel like I'm at a cafe in the 90s Let's see, I'll have a Cosmo with a Goldschlager back.

[173] Put your napkin on your lap.

[174] Oh, thank you.

[175] Excuse me, can we get service?

[176] We haven't even seen anybody.

[177] Can we get service?

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[198] Goodbye.

[199] Trying so hard to eat healthy.

[200] Don't yell chicken nuggets, please.

[201] Oh, so don't yell.

[202] Who goes first tonight?

[203] It's me. Someone recently...

[204] Can you see what that's...

[205] Don't show me. Is that mine?

[206] Do you recognize it?

[207] Nope, no, I know what yours is.

[208] Shit!

[209] Well, you're good...

[210] I know.

[211] It's only a 30 -second jump in time.

[212] Oh, but first, we have to say, to all the people who were brought here against their will by people who listen.

[213] Yes, you're everywhere.

[214] So many of you.

[215] wasting tickets.

[216] So sometimes when people hear that this is a true crime comedy podcast and they haven't heard it and they don't know us, they get offended because they believe that comedy and true crime, which is basically comedy and murder, don't belong together, and they think that's wrong and bad.

[217] And so we just like to start the show by explaining that George and I have loved true crime.

[218] We've been fascinated by it ever since we were really young.

[219] but we also, since we're really, really young, have processed anxiety, fear, and pain through humor.

[220] And so those things, right?

[221] Those things go together for us and conversationalate makes sense for us to talk about the worst things and then relieve ourselves, I was going to say.

[222] Anywhere we please.

[223] Verbly relieve ourselves.

[224] Right in the corner.

[225] That's right.

[226] In front of each other.

[227] And blah, blah, blah.

[228] You've heard this million times.

[229] essentially if you're offended get the fuck out is what we're saying they know they know tonight i'm going to do uh the high hat club murder um i got this information from tulsa world dot com guys love the internet yeah the internet is huge first of all my god because it actually contains a tulsa world can you imagine oh my god how expansive must it be true Can you imagine doing this?

[230] Never mind.

[231] Say it.

[232] You've got to say it now.

[233] Without the internet.

[234] But then there wouldn't be a buck.

[235] Knocking on doors.

[236] Would you listen to this cassette of me and my friend talking?

[237] It's a ton of inside jokes.

[238] Oh, your boyfriend won't like it.

[239] He won't like it.

[240] You're going to have to go into a different room.

[241] Thank you.

[242] Great.

[243] I'll be back in two months to hear if you like it or not.

[244] Get ready with a thumbs up or a thumbs down.

[245] yeah we might maybe we should start doing it that way more yeah like or door knocking door knocking grassroots you know home to home I think that's what we're doing oh yeah we'll put more flyers in record stores yeah we should cafes okay okay um Tulsa world is where I went to get some of this information.

[246] Great.

[247] You remember.

[248] Absolutely.

[249] Also, there's a website called Malfactorsregister .com, which, yeah, has a lot of great information.

[250] And then there's an author named Jason Lucky Morrow, who does an amazing website called Historical Crime Detective .com.

[251] And he wrote a book about this case called Deadly Hero, the High Society Murder that created hysteria in the heartland.

[252] Are you ready?

[253] Are they mad?

[254] No. Would you say?

[255] Are they mad?

[256] No. We don't call it the heartland anymore.

[257] It's going to be one of those.

[258] Okay.

[259] She threw her napkin down and walked off.

[260] She's livid.

[261] Waiter.

[262] We need the check.

[263] You got to snap.

[264] You got to snap at him.

[265] That's the only way.

[266] Snap and grab at their apron as they walk by.

[267] They love it.

[268] They love it.

[269] Okay.

[270] We begin November 1934.

[271] Yeah.

[272] I like the old ones.

[273] The old ones for live shows are awesome because all the references are there of your local shit, but then it's not super recent.

[274] You don't have to be like tense or super bummed, and then we can make all the hideous jokes we want to.

[275] That's my, that's what I'm bringing to the table.

[276] That's what I enjoy.

[277] Okay, so 1934, 21 -year -old, a John Goral Jr. has just returned home to Tulsa, spending Thanksgiving.

[278] giving with his father, John Goral, Senior.

[279] That's right.

[280] You got it.

[281] I get so scared when you point at me that I'm like.

[282] Yeah.

[283] I don't know.

[284] Yeah.

[285] I understand.

[286] I just, right as I was going to do that, someone screamed something like a chicken, and now I want to know what it is, but I don't want to encourage it.

[287] They said senior, like a chicken.

[288] But they said like, yeah.

[289] Because they also have tension when someone's pointed at, just not at when it's not when it's pointed at someone else they want to be a hero yeah and i appreciate hey we all do listen we all do okay so john and john eat in thanksgiving dinner together um john senior is a wealthy and prominent doctor junior's been living in kansas city where he's been attending dental school to become a dentist that's right yes yes yes beautiful thank you thank you there he is Oh, that's...

[290] What?

[291] No. That's not allowed.

[292] Oh, my God.

[293] Mean, shame them.

[294] Don't fucking...

[295] This isn't a hot or not test for fuck's sake.

[296] What do you...

[297] Sorry, aren't we not about that?

[298] Guys, tighten it up.

[299] I think he's cute.

[300] Seriously, my worst fucking fear.

[301] Oh, no. Let's see what this next picture.

[302] Oh, whoa, whoa.

[303] Okay, but in their defense, would you want that guy to be your dentist?

[304] Yes or no?

[305] Yes, you know why?

[306] Why?

[307] Because he has one big tooth, and that shows priorities.

[308] That's what he's about.

[309] Yeah.

[310] Now I'm offended.

[311] I have to say, though, there are other pictures of him.

[312] Yeah.

[313] J -picked this.

[314] There were, after I picked it, like, approved everything because he's like, here's this picture, here's this picture.

[315] I picked it, and then I looked for a different picture, and another one of him came up, and it was a real before or after, like, it was like a Moripovich episode of like, I used to be ugly, but now I'm fly or whatever.

[316] It looks like whoever got cast in the made -for -TV movie is actually in it, but he's hot.

[317] Yeah.

[318] Got it.

[319] It might just be that the sun was at a certain point in the sky.

[320] You know how it was back then.

[321] The sun was always in different places.

[322] With all these sun, you were like a human sun dial sometimes.

[323] God.

[324] All right.

[325] All right, let's, yeah.

[326] That's him.

[327] Great.

[328] Can you tell me with my brush?

[329] Like, I'm not used to this.

[330] Just like, let me know.

[331] Yeah, it sucks, doesn't it?

[332] Yeah, it does.

[333] Flopping all over the place.

[334] And be like, hey, Slot, pull your dress up.

[335] that sucks I'm sorry you went through that I won't do that too no no I mean it sucks that you've experienced no one's ever called me a slut in my life God that's the dream that's what we're trying to get to I know I'll get there I'm gonna get there one day yeah you will don't worry it's gonna be hard without liquor but I think I can do it I think I can hey man we're on tour like let's go wild Second.

[336] Residence Inn.

[337] It's up.

[338] Pull the dress half off the shoulder.

[339] Karen, put your clothes on.

[340] Karen, stop it.

[341] Karen, it's 7 .30.

[342] Okay.

[343] Where's my spot?

[344] And the Johns are eating dinner.

[345] Beautifully.

[346] With beautiful souls and spirits.

[347] Okay.

[348] And then afterwards, John Jr. goes out to meet up with a friend named Charles Bard.

[349] Bard is a student at the Oklahoma Agricultural and Mechanical College.

[350] Oh, sure.

[351] Someone's mad at them.

[352] Yeah.

[353] You know what it is?

[354] That's the rival animal husbandry college that they're like, no, no. Don't bring that agricultural mechanical bullshit over here.

[355] Uh -uh.

[356] Then there's an FFA section in the back we'll kick all your asses John and Charles pick up some girls and they all go out for a drive which is the only thing to do in 1934 you better drive around so around 1030 John drops off Bard and the girls and he tells them he's got quote an important appointment that he has to get to and then he drives away okay right it's not it's not a red flag yet it's not if he kicked them all out of the car with his cowboy boot or whatever that's right get out yeah um around midnight that night a man named wesley cunningham oh come on right made up i pick i picture Wesley cunningham to look like um like alfalfa from our gang Like, his hair's parted down the middle and then grease to the sides.

[357] Yeah.

[358] And his hands are in his pocket and he's whistling.

[359] Yep.

[360] I'm sorry, I'm thinking of Jughead from the Archie comics.

[361] That's a different person.

[362] Didn't know the difference.

[363] Okay, so Wesley Cunningham, he's walking through an affluent neighborhood near the Philbrook Museum.

[364] Look at it.

[365] Pretty.

[366] Look at this fucking rich people's museum they have in Tulsa.

[367] Damn, guys.

[368] We'll play there tomorrow night.

[369] We'll play there tomorrow night?

[370] Yeah.

[371] We're going to be playing on this lawn tomorrow night.

[372] So as I was pulling the picture for that, I did this one.

[373] And I just looked up real quick to see what the Philbrook was all about.

[374] And they have Andrew Wyeth paintings there, who's my favorite painter.

[375] So let's really quick.

[376] Just look.

[377] Oh, look at my dad.

[378] dog that's George that's my dog that's beautiful now I don't know if that's the real name or if I just told Jay that the name of the painting was dog and barn but then there's this one wind from the sea have you ever seen this have you seen this shit where someone paints a painting and then paints lace curtains over it no how did he do that Karen can I tell you how impressed and kind of intimidated I am that you have a favorite painter oh am I am I flexing on on you right now.

[379] You're with art, I'm impressed.

[380] It's working.

[381] You like art?

[382] Eh.

[383] No, I do.

[384] I just don't.

[385] I'm going to sell you on this one.

[386] No, I'm in.

[387] I'm in.

[388] He's my favorite painter now, too.

[389] OK, well, no. No, you have to pick a different one.

[390] There's 10.

[391] He's famous for the painting Christina's world.

[392] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[393] OK.

[394] Which of course, so I find this one, right?

[395] And I'm like, oh, to show Christina's well, because that's what he's famous for.

[396] I literally know this from.

[397] Google's images.

[398] It's not like I go to the museum or anything like that.

[399] Okay.

[400] Yeah.

[401] I don't, you can, I don't care.

[402] I'll be like, look at that painting of a feather.

[403] Oh, that one's Andrew Wyeth.

[404] And then I've done that enough time, so then I'm like, he's my favorite painter.

[405] There's no book learning involved.

[406] Sorry, art school graduates.

[407] Yes.

[408] Sorry, all of Tulsa and the Philbrook Foundation.

[409] This is a very, this painting is parodied a lot.

[410] Okay.

[411] Oh.

[412] Do you remember?

[413] That sucks.

[414] It was like 10 years ago there was a sit -in at UC Davis and this guy just walked by and straight up fucking pepper sprayed like just a sitting group of 19 -year -olds.

[415] Just walk by and write in their face.

[416] Go -bye.

[417] And then someone is genius enough to fucking do this, which is why I love modern life so much.

[418] The internet.

[419] They think of everything.

[420] then of course not to be partisan but there's this one which I fucking love come on you have to admit it's funny that's more long oh my god amazing there was also one of Lisa Simpson and the house on the hill is pink but whoever drew it I was like I don't know about the stability of whoever drew this it was clearly not like official, official merch.

[421] Okay.

[422] Art Corner is over.

[423] Back to the story.

[424] Okay, Wesley Cunningham.

[425] So he's walking near that museum.

[426] Painting.

[427] Oh, okay.

[428] Painting.

[429] Got it.

[430] Museum.

[431] He is, Wesley Cunningham is Andrew Waya's fake name.

[432] So, he's walking in the neighborhood, fancy neighborhood, high -end neighborhood.

[433] He sees one lone car parked by itself on the corner.

[434] And then he notices.

[435] all the surrounding street lights are out so he walks over to the car don't do that right walk away from the car to see what's going on he finds the body of John Goral Jr. slumped over in the front seat with two bullet holes in his temple and a 22 caliber gun laying at his side so obviously the police are called and then they begin to investigate the scene and they discover that the 22 belongs to John Goral Jr. But judging by the body's position there it's not suicide is not possible also hey he shot himself twice in the head you can't do that very good point I feel like I repeated that point really so many times really nice thinking thank you I went to art school I went to college he could have shot himself then like quick quick quick who knows Oh, you do Yeah, that's right I just told you Yeah, you told me Then as they investigate They realize all the streetlights have been shot out What?

[436] Yeah I don't like that That is a red flag That is a red flag Put the red flag On your lawn of suspicion Because some tulips of murder Are about to grow up out of it Am I right?

[437] Okay Good one Thank you Missed the suicide thing But got that one perfectly All right.

[438] So basically the entire scene is very unnerving and suspicious, much like Andrew Wyeth's Christina's world.

[439] All right.

[440] So the investigators have no immediate leads.

[441] John Girl Jr. has no known enemies, police record.

[442] They don't know who could have killed him, why anyone would want him dead.

[443] But then, luckily, a local airplane pilot name Floyd Huff comes forward with an interesting story.

[444] He's every man. Yeah.

[445] Look at that smirk.

[446] He, of course, knows him.

[447] He knows something.

[448] You know what he knows?

[449] How to fly.

[450] Oh, that's pretty good.

[451] That's the smug smirk of a man who can fly in the air, unlike many of us.

[452] So Floyd comes forward, and he's like, I think you guys are going to want to hear this story.

[453] He was in Kansas City shortly before Thanksgiving, and while he was there, he was approached by a young man who wanted to hire him to fly him to Tulsa because the weather conditions were bad.

[454] Floyd Huff said no thank you, but he told the young man he was planning on driving there himself and he offered him a ride.

[455] So the man accepted and during the ride the young man told Huff outright that he planned to kill John Goral Jr. You got to keep your mouth shut sometimes people.

[456] Yeah but you know on a road trip when like a good song comes on and you've been on the road for like the window yeah half an hour you're just you're feeling a real kinship in that car.

[457] Yep.

[458] Shared a bag of Cheetos or whatever.

[459] 1934 Cheetos, which was just seeds.

[460] It was just four seeds in the palm of someone's hand.

[461] So in Huff's own words, he said the man, quote, said that Goral was plotting to extort $20 ,000 from Homer Wilcox, the millionaire oilman, under the threat of kidnapping Wilcox's daughter, Virginia, or her brother, Homer, Jr. And here's Virginia Wilcox.

[462] Whoops.

[463] Shit.

[464] No, but who's that?

[465] I mean, it's not her either.

[466] Okay.

[467] Spoiler alert.

[468] Wait, wait, wait.

[469] Okay, so these rich people were going to get kidnapped by the guy found dead.

[470] Yes.

[471] And so this dude was going to kill that guy.

[472] This dude was basically ratified.

[473] out the dead guy.

[474] Fording the kidnapping.

[475] And saying, he was going to kidnap these people and I'm going to go kill him.

[476] Okay.

[477] Yeah, essentially.

[478] We're there with you.

[479] Are we here?

[480] Yes.

[481] Okay.

[482] Here's a photo of Virginia Woolcoggs.

[483] So the young man tells Floyd the entire fucking plan.

[484] He explains that he first considered renting a plane and shoving girl out of it while they were in the air.

[485] That was plan one.

[486] That's ambitious.

[487] Yeah.

[488] And then he was like, you know what?

[489] I'm going to go back to the drawing board on this one.

[490] Hard to convince someone to get onto a plane so that you can then push them off the plane.

[491] Absolutely.

[492] So then the young man told Floyd, he said he thought it might be easier just to stab Gorel instead.

[493] And at that point, he pulls out a huge hunting knife and a pair of rubber gloves and shows them.

[494] And the guy just kicks him out of the car.

[495] And the guy takes him to a plane and then shoves him out of it.

[496] No. I guess he just does that thing that everybody always does when they're uncomfortable, which is, oh, and then continues to drive for another, however many hours.

[497] So when authorities ask Floyd Huff to identify who this man is, he names 19 -year -old Philip Kenimer, who is, as you can very obviously tell, the son of a very highly respected Oklahoma federal judge.

[498] named Franklin E. Kenmer.

[499] Sure.

[500] You'd never suspect from that level of smarm that he's a federal judge's son, would you?

[501] No. Never.

[502] Okay.

[503] Is that a Diane von Verseberg wraparound blazer that he's wearing?

[504] I don't get how that jacket buttons.

[505] It's a devil -breasted suit.

[506] Am I making that up?

[507] I could never.

[508] Yeah, but I mean, it's way over.

[509] That's true.

[510] because people had no people's had waste this size back then they fucking sure did men women children animals I think there's there's really something to eating seeds as Cheetos that might really be the key you were on to something okay let's write that one down Steven put it on the list put it on the list that's going to be our new diet plan no more Cheetos seeds and it just all different cut types of bird seed I'd rather just drink water honestly than eat seeds you can water's on the diet okay yeah it's seeds and water and now and later's and then of course chicken McNuggets okay which I tried to order last night we did the whole sorry we did the whole thing of like getting into the hotel late so there was nothing open and then we found on the app Vince and I that McDonald's open and they'll deliver and we were like great and like put our order in and shit and then it was like sorry it's closed like we had picked our sauces it's not that big of a deal so there is a kind of a the hunger builds as you're on that app yeah tell me before also because you know when you're on the app that's what's bad about those apps is instead of talking to somebody on the phone and being like and that's all I'll have oh oh sorry also a green salad instead of having to do any of that You're on an app, so then you're like, two apple pies.

[511] Yeah.

[512] What kind of ice cream items do you have?

[513] Do they travel?

[514] Do they travel well?

[515] Well, they're not made of real ice or cream, so they travel great.

[516] They stay exactly the way they come out of that machine.

[517] They stay that way for four hours.

[518] You shouldn't eat it, but do it anyway.

[519] But you got to love it.

[520] Okay.

[521] So the police notified Judge Kenimer of the accusation, and he actually, actually, of course, very begrudgingly, but he turns his son in.

[522] Ooh.

[523] Yeah.

[524] Imagine.

[525] No. So on December 1st, 1934, which is only two days after John Grell Jr.'s body was found.

[526] So the police question, Phil Kenimer, the son, he admits that he did the shooting, but he explains that it was in self -defense.

[527] So he says that the extortion plot that Floyd Huff described that he was talking about was real, but that it was John Grell Jr.'s idea, and that he wanted to call him.

[528] call it off.

[529] Phil wanted to call it off because he had feelings for Virginia Wilcox.

[530] Let's see if she's here now.

[531] It's not going to...

[532] I was thinking of her as a child, so let's make sure she's not.

[533] A child?

[534] I thought it was a child the whole time.

[535] Oh, because she was going to get kidnapped?

[536] Yeah.

[537] Is that weird?

[538] She's going to get...

[539] Is that ageism?

[540] Lady napped.

[541] All right.

[542] Let's see.

[543] Not that one.

[544] There she is.

[545] Oh, shit.

[546] I've got feelings for her too.

[547] Yeah.

[548] Look at the eyebrows.

[549] They're even, okay.

[550] Also, she has that look and just like, the 30s.

[551] It's not great.

[552] Still, I'm this pretty and I still have to do the dishes.

[553] By hand, with bleach.

[554] Okay, we have to go back one.

[555] All right.

[556] So it's all over her, right?

[557] He says he basically that John Girl had this extortion plot.

[558] They were going to kidnap her, but that because Phil had feelings for her, he wanted to protect her.

[559] So, okay, so he was supposed to mail the letter, but he wouldn't do it because he suddenly realized this could put Virginia in peril.

[560] And so he went to that night, Thanksgiving night, he went to Gorell to tell him that he had not mailed the ransom note.

[561] And he begged him, according to Phil, he begged him not to go through with the plot.

[562] plot, but John Grell Jr. refused, and they start arguing, and that's when Kenimer threatens to go to the police with that ransom note he never sent, and that's when John Grell pulls out that 22, goes to shoot Kenimer, they get into like a scuffle, and Phil Kenimer says that in the chaos, he's not sure how it happened, but one of them pulled the trigger, and John Grell Jr. got shot twice in the head.

[563] You know.

[564] How sometimes when you're scuffling, and you win, you double.

[565] You win, and then you celebrate, which is wrong.

[566] Okay.

[567] Got it.

[568] And then you shoot all the fucking lights out around you?

[569] Yeah, then you're like, pooh, you saw a motherfucker, I'm back.

[570] So, of course, for minimum two, if not more reasons, the cops are not buying this story.

[571] So they question the people closest to Phil Kenema and Kennemer to get a better sense of his character.

[572] They find out that he's known for being an arrogant ritual.

[573] kid, shocking.

[574] He's smart, but he doesn't apply himself at school or work.

[575] He's known to me an attention seeker who loves being in the spotlight, but only if he's being praised.

[576] I don't see you the problem with any of these things, actually.

[577] Not retracting my judgment of this person.

[578] He rejects any sort of negative criticism about himself.

[579] What?

[580] That's stupid.

[581] Waiter, we need that check.

[582] This is getting, it's bad.

[583] Yeah.

[584] Okay.

[585] So they also say that Phil Kenimer had gone out with Virginia Wilcox.

[586] He had taken her out on her first date.

[587] But she almost immediately lost interest in him.

[588] If she ever had it in the first place.

[589] And the spoiler, later on in the trial, she goes on the stand and basically goes, I don't know that guy.

[590] Oh.

[591] Yeah.

[592] Ouch.

[593] You try to save someone by shooting someone else.

[594] And this is the way.

[595] And this is how they repay you?

[596] By shaming you in court?

[597] Unfortunately, Phil was in love and he was angry that she did not share his feelings.

[598] So then the cops go to talk to John, the friends of John Gorell.

[599] And that's when they discover a little thing that was a secret in Tulsa among the wealthiest young men.

[600] They had started a gang of thrill seekers.

[601] that's in quotes, a gang of thrill seekers called the High Hat Club.

[602] Right.

[603] So it's a bunch of, there's lots of oil money that you guys know, but Georgia might not know.

[604] There's a lot of oil money around these parts.

[605] And I guess up in Tulsa, and there were lots and lots of what they may have called back then the Nouveau -Rish.

[606] And so it was people who had basically been busting their ass, you know, on these old.

[607] oil wells, and then they hit it big, and suddenly they're like millionaires in 1934.

[608] And so then their children are the worst.

[609] Right?

[610] It's almost always how it happens, pretty much.

[611] That's the equation.

[612] Yeah.

[613] But it's very new.

[614] The parents aren't used to the money, so then the kids, they don't know how to kind of moderate it, I guess, is what they were talking about.

[615] So here's the initiation to get into the high hat club.

[616] You drink 10 glasses of beer, then you have to drive 60 miles an hour around a corner on a street.

[617] Come on.

[618] That's dangerous and nerdy.

[619] It's so fucking dorky.

[620] It's so dorky.

[621] And you know those cars didn't go 60 miles an hour back now, does it?

[622] They have to like wind up the old fucking jalopy.

[623] Oh, we're doing it together.

[624] Wind it up.

[625] Yep.

[626] then you have to let it idle for 45 minutes so the engine warms up do you know my fucking father it's 2019 and he still tells you you have to wait for the engine to warm up in his car don't just drive it I'm like dad uh whatever thing you're thinking of literally doesn't exist anymore like this car engine is a computer yeah and you're 100 love you dad I owe it all to you My dad doesn't mind when you talk shit about your dad on stage.

[627] Marty's fine with it.

[628] He's totally fine.

[629] Oh, also at the end of that initiation, you have to smoke pot and have sex.

[630] Oh.

[631] Which you know was swag back then, too.

[632] Sex, I mean.

[633] Just weird bits of sex that no one wants.

[634] Seeds and stems of sex.

[635] Are you going to put that on my shoulder?

[636] What's...

[637] What?

[638] It doesn't go like that.

[639] Please don't blow that in my face.

[640] I was reading.

[641] I was reading.

[642] I was reading.

[643] I'm sorry.

[644] Because this always happens.

[645] I'll write a dumb joke underneath the thing, but now we're too far away.

[646] I'm going to say it anyway.

[647] Okay, say it.

[648] They call it an initiation.

[649] I call it a standard Wednesday night.

[650] Thank you, Oklahoma.

[651] Thank you, balconies.

[652] The balconies are the ones I love the most.

[653] I didn't mean it.

[654] Okay.

[655] God, I'm just terrible, terrible comedy.

[656] Okay, so once they're in the gang, the hi -hat members are free to then engage in activities like smuggling drugs.

[657] What kind?

[658] Was anything illegal back then?

[659] I don't think it was.

[660] I feel like all of it was really encouraged.

[661] Yeah, yeah.

[662] I thought, well, no, this was past the old put some cocaine on it when you had a cut time.

[663] I don't think so.

[664] 34?

[665] We got to get a drug dealer in here to answer some of these questions.

[666] Vince?

[667] No. I just fucking threw my husband under the bus.

[668] See?

[669] See?

[670] That's what bad comedy does to us.

[671] Oh, shit.

[672] Waiter, will you get that eight ball ready for us?

[673] Vince has it.

[674] Vince has it in his pocket.

[675] We're going to split the tap.

[676] God.

[677] I would be literally dead if I still did that.

[678] No. Okay, so What I love is that the cops had no idea That this was going on So, or they did And of course they just simply didn't do anything about it Because all the kids in the high hat club Were the richest of the rich And all their parents were super connected So, you know, they probably came around that corner Going 60, shit -faced on 10 glasses of bad beer Killed four families And then they're like, just let him go he's a nice white boy so okay so they discovered that not only uh not only are both john girl junior and phil kenimer members of the high hat gang but so is homer wilcox one of the intended victims of the would be kidnapping and extortion okay um so basically when the rest of Tulsa finds out about the high hat gang they fucking lose their shit everybody freaks out because of course, today's standards, those things aren't that big of a deal, but back in 1994, you know, it was a conservative town, it was a, you know, traditional, and they believed all of this was pure Satan -induced insanity.

[679] Yay!

[680] The best kind.

[681] So they start to fear for the welfare of their own kids.

[682] They're scared that no one, not even the good little rich boys, are safe from the pitfalls.

[683] of evil influence, which is like super backwards.

[684] So the police also find that on the night of the killing, a small crew of the high hat members had taken Kenimer to like driven him around town.

[685] The president of the high hat club.

[686] There's a president?

[687] See, they're just fucking nerds.

[688] They're nerds with drugs.

[689] 19 -year -old son of the director of petroleum research at the local college.

[690] His name was Sidney Bourne.

[691] Let's see if we will.

[692] get to.

[693] No, it's that fucking picture again.

[694] There's she, okay, her, we know it's about her.

[695] There he is.

[696] Okay.

[697] I'm the president.

[698] I can do anything I want.

[699] I call president.

[700] I call president.

[701] Fine, I'll be sergeant arms.

[702] So Sydney had driven Phil Kenimer to the spot where Kenimer killed John Goral Jr. on Thanksgiving night.

[703] And then on December 9th, just a week after Phil Kenimer is apprehended, a random driver passes by Sidney Bourne's car, finds him inside dead from a bullet wound.

[704] No way.

[705] Yes.

[706] And in his lap was his father's revolver.

[707] And the location of the car was not far from where John Goral Jr.'s body was found.

[708] Just some rebel without a car shit here.

[709] This is, yeah, it's nuts.

[710] It's connecting and it goes all the way than that.

[711] Okay.

[712] But unlike John Girl Jr., Sydney Bourne's death is ruled a suicide, although the hype and hysteria surrounding the case makes many people believe that it could be another gang -related murder.

[713] Maybe because it was exactly like the first one?

[714] I don't know.

[715] Maybe it's hysteria.

[716] All right.

[717] And then to further complicate things, the police then arrest Homer Wilcox Jr., Virginia Wilcox's brother.

[718] For his own kidnapping?

[719] Four, they figure out and are able to prove he's the one that shot the lights out.

[720] Oh.

[721] Yeah.

[722] Why?

[723] Well, they say when they're arrested for it, of course they get released with a fine, because the whole thing's chalked up to quote, malicious mischief.

[724] Oh, right.

[725] Fucking assholes.

[726] They say that they were just out shooting out lights for fun.

[727] You know.

[728] Those mean and old lights.

[729] We like to shoot out lights and then see it.

[730] The glass will go in our eyes.

[731] Because we're the high hat club.

[732] We have a song.

[733] Ready?

[734] Ready, Bella?

[735] Ready?

[736] That, that, that, that, that, not, that.

[737] Put that glass right in our eyes.

[738] We're the high hat club.

[739] What's happening?

[740] This is too long.

[741] It's taken too long.

[742] This is taking too long.

[743] They decide that they're shooting out the lights on the street where John Girl Jr. was murdered is just a coincidence even though the decreased visibility would have helped Kenimer carry out the murder in secret.

[744] Anyway, after he hears about Sidney Bourne's death, Phil Kenmer starts to spill it.

[745] And he reveals that he was also involved in the extortion scheme.

[746] He admits that he was a part of it.

[747] He then explains to the cops that he was only involved so he could project Virginia Wilcox because he was in love with her and had been for years.

[748] He had taken her out in our first date that I said, and he had apparently, quote, penned odes to her beauty.

[749] So I guess poetry was a big part of that gang.

[750] According to Canemar, John Girl Jr. He was big into petty theft, but then he now wanted to move on to, quote, the big stuff.

[751] And so in the fall of 1934, when he's away at dental school, he comes up with this plot to kidnap Virginia and extort her father for money, is the story he's telling the cops.

[752] The petty theft in dental school don't really flow together.

[753] I mean, he manages his time so well, though.

[754] He must.

[755] He's just like, and we're just going to put a little bit more Novakane on that.

[756] Sorry, really quick.

[757] I'm going to steal $500 out of your purse.

[758] Don't panic.

[759] It's petty.

[760] It's not a big deal.

[761] So they write the extortion letter together for the kidnapping plot, and then Goral gives it to Kenemort.

[762] a mail.

[763] Kenimer, of course, changes his mind, as I said.

[764] So Kenimer says that he went, he found John Gorell, Thanksgiving night, showed him the note, said, I didn't send it, I changed my mind, please don't do this, please don't do it for the sake of Virginia.

[765] And then, of course, the whole story about them fighting and accidentally shooting him twice.

[766] So this is the picture that keeps coming up, but this, God damn it!

[767] Oh, well, that's, okay, that's Sidney Bourne's car, the guy that they say committed suicide who was also in this gang.

[768] I guess we won't go back to that picture.

[769] It's not that important.

[770] So, oh, there is a good picture of him outside the courthouse, though.

[771] Let's see what we do.

[772] Oh, this is him reading about himself in the newspaper.

[773] All right.

[774] Buddy.

[775] And he's wearing an amazing Eileen Fisher jacket.

[776] It's ivory and dope.

[777] Are they letting him get a haircut or something?

[778] I don't know where that is.

[779] Anyway, outside the courthouse when he goes to court, all these people are there.

[780] So this is, this little factoid is absolutely my favorite and kind of the reason I picked this.

[781] The people of Tulsa are so gripped by this story.

[782] Well, first of all, they have to move the trial to Pawnee to accommodate all the spectators.

[783] even with the move the frenzied interest in the case is still so high that attendees literally rip the doors off the courthouse to get in nice how bored do you have to be I mean this is it we have to see this how dare you don't you love that I just picture one kid hulking out and fucking pulling the doors You needn't A ton of corn Out of my way Oh this guy Yeah That little guy He has He's like I have a secret I can rip doors off of courthouses Don't believe me Maybe I can be in the high hat gang You're little shit Get out of here It just makes me think of all the times People are like Ask us You know like What do you think this thing is With this new trend And true crime interest We're like, they were fucking ripping the doors off of courthouses in 1934.

[784] This is not new.

[785] Yeah.

[786] The trial lasts 11 days.

[787] The prosecution claims that this concept of self -defense played no role in Kenemar's actions.

[788] They paint a picture of a highly dangerous killer who intended to kill John Grohl Jr. They say that whole story and situation was just a ruse to win the affections of Virginia Wilcox and favor her family by positioning himself as a hero.

[789] and the prosecution asked for him to be sentenced to death in the electric chair they were super fucking specific about it and they're like and we'll pick his last meal bird seed and water okay but Kennamar's defense team enters a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity and this pisses Phil Kennemer off he doesn't like that because he sees himself as very intelligent sane and he's insult So despite his protests, they bring in psychiatrists, friends, family, even his own father to testify that he is actually insane.

[790] And Judge Kenimer testifies that his son had been enrolled in and quit four different boarding and military schools.

[791] He was very emotional and at times very unreasonable.

[792] It might be the drugs.

[793] He testifies that he'd gotten filled several jobs that he'd worked for a few weeks and then quit.

[794] and that his son talked of joining the French Foreign Legion saying it would be a good way to banish himself from decent society.

[795] Sounds like half the people in L .A. that I know.

[796] Yeah, it's, it sounds like any 19 -year -old.

[797] It's like, I'm going to fucking join the French Foreign Legion.

[798] Good.

[799] Yeah, Dad.

[800] Go.

[801] Do it.

[802] Let them.

[803] Okay, so this is all supported by the testimony of the other high hatters who were out with Phil that night.

[804] They were hanging out at the old, the owl tavern.

[805] No, no. No, it must be a total shithole.

[806] So apparently Phil Kenimer came in at 9 o 'clock, around 9 .30.

[807] He told everyone within earshot that he was looking for John Goral, Jr. Because he wanted to kill him.

[808] Okay.

[809] And then he pulled out his large hunting knife that he loved to brandish.

[810] Hey.

[811] And a hi -hatter named Randle, B .B. Morton recalled the exchange he had where he said, quote, I said, Phil, maybe I better I had better take that knife.

[812] I may want to use it going hunting.

[813] And I just reached over and got it and put it in my overcoat pocket.

[814] And he said, B .B., are you going to send me out with these bare hands to kill Goral?

[815] And I said, yes, if that's the way you want to go, Phil.

[816] And he just walked out and left the tavern.

[817] I love that he's like, his, like, a drunk driving friend who's like, taking your keys, buddy.

[818] Get home how you can.

[819] but you can't drive.

[820] Taking the knife, murder how you can.

[821] How about I hold on to this for you, a friend?

[822] So essentially when it all gets sussed out, the jury deliberates for eight hours, and then on February 22nd, 1935, they find Philip Kenemar guilty of manslaughter.

[823] And he's sentenced to 25 years in prison.

[824] So, oh, that's him in court.

[825] All right.

[826] What's up, finger waves?

[827] It feels like nothing existed in 1934.

[828] There's like nothing on the walls and it's just men in suits in a room.

[829] Not a single.

[830] Did you pull the door off or was it you?

[831] There's the...

[832] That's the newspaper.

[833] Uh -huh.

[834] So here's what's interesting.

[835] So in the wake of Kenemar's trial, the high hat club is disbanded once and for all.

[836] as far as we know there could be a shit ton of secret high hats in here right now so while in prison, Canimer files for several appeals they're all denied and it isn't until April 23rd 1943 so he serves eight years in prison for manslaughter and then Oklahoma Governor Robert S. Kerr grants him parole when he's released he immediately joins the army and becomes a paratrooper and in World War II.

[837] Oh, wait, that's him.

[838] Shit.

[839] That's his first night in the Army.

[840] He didn't like it.

[841] He said the bed was hard and the pillow wasn't very big.

[842] That's him going into the Oklahoma State pen.

[843] Okay.

[844] Here's him going into the Army eight years later.

[845] Wow.

[846] This guy on June 6, 1944.

[847] No. He parachutes to France on D -Day and remains in battle overseas until he's gunned down by a Nazi on August 15th, 1944, and he dies at age 49.

[848] So before his death, he told a reporter, something just seems to tell me that I won't come back, because they interviewed him when he was leaving for the war.

[849] Something tells me I won't come back.

[850] I hope that if I die under the flag of my country, those who have condemned me will hold me differently in their memories.

[851] I will.

[852] Okay.

[853] One anonymous hi -hatter, oh, and this is kind of what I said before, but one anonymous high hatter explained the youthful enwee this way to the international news service reporter.

[854] This whole trouble in Tulsa society is this.

[855] Forty years ago, these millionaires did not have a dime.

[856] They were workers in the oil fields and their wives were just ordinary girls.

[857] Some of them waitresses and the like.

[858] Waitress.

[859] Then comes the golden flood of oil and oil.

[860] gold.

[861] They had millions all of a sudden.

[862] They showered money, money, money on their children.

[863] Too many expensive automobiles, too much time to do nothing.

[864] And that is the rich and privileged story of the high hatter's murder.

[865] Wow.

[866] Good job.

[867] Thank you.

[868] Fucking fascinating.

[869] Oh, really?

[870] Yeah.

[871] Okay, good.

[872] Here we go, everyone.

[873] I'm doing the Oklahoma City Butchurch.

[874] or get ready for some fucked up shit okay your favorite kind of shit yeah all right I got a lot of info I like my shit straight at like right angle shit okay we can do it that way if you want I got a bunch of information from of course Wikipedia and Reddit our best friends and also 405 magazine dot com but there was a great article called Lost O .K .K. by M .J. Alexander.

[875] She's this incredible writer and photographer.

[876] And there's not like a ton of info about this one because it's a real bummer.

[877] Okay.

[878] So let's start right after World War II.

[879] Great.

[880] In your boom.

[881] Let's start after mine ends.

[882] Yes, we are.

[883] Yeah.

[884] The post -World War II era saw Oklahoma City become a major hub.

[885] but in the National Interstate Highway System.

[886] Congratulations.

[887] Highways.

[888] Wait, that's not the 405 that goes all the way to us, is it?

[889] That's the magazine.

[890] Oh, it's a magazine.

[891] Called 405.

[892] It could have been a magazine about highways?

[893] Shut up!

[894] And they would call it I -45, remember?

[895] We call it the 45, 405.

[896] Oh, my God, this whole country is so different.

[897] So different.

[898] And big.

[899] Yeah, we're all to take.

[900] And what I, okay, I love about, one of the few things I love about traveling is that you get to learn so much about the city you're in just by writing about some horrific thing that happened.

[901] So I was like, I need to add some stuff to this story because it'll make it make more sense when it happened, which is the late 70s and 80s.

[902] So the civil rights era dawned after World War II and downtown Oklahoma City became the site of the start of a new civil rights tactics when history teacher Claire.

[903] Louper who...

[904] Guys, she's here tonight.

[905] Are you ready?

[906] Waiter.

[907] Bring out Clara Looper.

[908] Bring out Clara Looper.

[909] She was the, she had been the first, she was a history teacher.

[910] She had been the first African American student in the Graduate History Program at the University of Oklahoma.

[911] The fighting...

[912] The fighting I -405s?

[913] That's right.

[914] Fighting freeways.

[915] The fighting, thank you.

[916] Sorry, I fucking really threw you a phone.

[917] I don't know.

[918] We used to have so much fun with the fightings, and now all of a sudden it's become a real point of stress for us.

[919] It's not doing it anymore.

[920] You know what I like better is?

[921] And then today's money, let's do that one instead.

[922] Yeah, that's way better.

[923] Okay.

[924] We're going with that one.

[925] So in 1950s when that happened, and then she led some of her students and her, like, young children from Douglas High School, which in today's high school is...

[926] Junior high.

[927] And the very first sit -in in American history desegregate.

[928] Yes.

[929] Yes.

[930] The lunch counter at the downtown Katz drugstore on August 19, 1956.

[931] Fuck yeah.

[932] That's her fucking kids.

[933] Two days later, Katz corporate management desegregated its lunch counters in three states, and the sit -in was adopted throughout the country as a peaceful protest tactic.

[934] Yeah.

[935] Amazing.

[936] Two days.

[937] Pretty cool.

[938] So, great job, guys.

[939] Good job, you guys.

[940] You did it.

[941] Way to go.

[942] All you.

[943] As the 1960s continued, however, Oklahoma City, when it used to be all rich fucking oil people and shit.

[944] I remember.

[945] You remember that.

[946] Beautiful buildings, gorgeous city.

[947] Oklahoma City began to decline, and of course, a white flight and suburbanization began to empty out the Central Business District and the surrounding areas, it's a similar story at the time all throughout the U .S. By 1961, the city limits of Oklahoma City had expanded from 80 square miles to 475 square miles.

[948] As people were like, I'm going to go out over there, right?

[949] And the oil beneath the city had begun to dry up, property values declined, and the new city leaders then engaged in a disastrous program of urban renewal.

[950] It went really bad.

[951] sorry guys um the plan was to save oklahoma a city and turn it into one of the most beautiful cities in the western hemisphere that was their plan and they're like ferns ferns ferns that's right cover the city in ferns unfortunately someone else was like knock everything down oh and everyone was like okay see um see Unfortunately, what they ended up doing was essentially a 12 -year demolishing rave or party where 40 % of downtown was demolished.

[952] And it was 530 buildings.

[953] So there were all these, like, beautiful buildings that were like the first, the founders of Oklahoma City had built to look like this from Europe and that from there.

[954] And they were gorgeous.

[955] And these dudes were like, fuck this shit.

[956] Progress, everyone.

[957] You know how they do it.

[958] and they were trying to build the city of tomorrow so this is what it looked like back then that see that building right there the tall one no the one in front of it okay then they did this to it oh Jesus yeah it sucks right and they're like look it's your new water park bring your own slide yeah yeah so I would have liked to see that building go down, though.

[959] I'm sorry.

[960] Oh, there was some photos of it, and I guess at a lot of the demolitions, people would just stare and cry.

[961] Because everyone was like, don't do that.

[962] And they're like, we're rich white men.

[963] We can do whatever we want.

[964] So, where was I?

[965] By the 70s, with a population of over 350 ,000, that's correct.

[966] Urban renewal had lost the support of many Oklahoma City residents.

[967] They were pissed off.

[968] They did demolished the majority of the old theater district, and they tore down historic, historic, hysterical historic structures.

[969] And the program was also blamed for forcing retailers and department stores elsewhere.

[970] They were like, we're going to give you a new beautiful building, and then they tore everything down, and then didn't have the money to build anything back up.

[971] So they tore down a bunch of stores to make way for a newfangled shopping mall, and then that area stood as a parking lot for 35 years.

[972] Oh, but a great parking lot, everybody.

[973] It wasn't one of the cool ones where you park your car and then they bring it up on a ladder.

[974] It's not even that, you know, which sucks.

[975] Pretty standard.

[976] Oklahoma City's Urban Renewal Program was the most extensive in the state.

[977] And by the early 80s, the city had cleared hundreds of structures in the area.

[978] These were downtown at the 200 -acre Oklahoma Health Center on the John F. Kennedy neighborhood, which is around where our story takes place.

[979] So, of course, they're like, we're going to build not the...

[980] I -405, the interstate through here.

[981] So we're taking all of your houses, goodbye, you know, of course, the majority of the poor people.

[982] Right.

[983] So the 1970 to 80s were a period of stagnation for Oklahoma City and, let's see, hold on with the exception of the Myriad Gardens, there was little done to, love that place, little was done to improve the inner city or central business district.

[984] And so between 1976 and 1986, a killer struck at least three times in Oklahoma City using the sparsely populated neighborhoods that it emptied to make wafer highway construction.

[985] It was like free for all.

[986] Oh, yeah.

[987] Sorry, excuse me, are you emptying the garbage?

[988] Oh, I bet someone barfed.

[989] Oh, they did?

[990] Oh, we're getting nods of yes.

[991] Oh, honey.

[992] I'm so sorry.

[993] Not you.

[994] I'm sorry.

[995] for the people sitting around.

[996] I shouldn't have called it out.

[997] I'm sorry.

[998] It's just that when someone snaps out a garbage bag three times, I'm like, what did I not put the garbage out, Mom?

[999] What happened?

[1000] Am I in trouble?

[1001] Oh, God.

[1002] All of you.

[1003] So sorry.

[1004] You know it's now happening at every single show.

[1005] Like, we get messages the next day where it's like, I had a great time except for a girl barped on my shoulder.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] You guys all get free milk duds in the lobby.

[1008] On the theater.

[1009] Free clam chowder for everybody in that.

[1010] Stop it.

[1011] That's not funny, Karen.

[1012] That's not funny.

[1013] I don't like barf, unlike other people, and therefore that offends me. Do you think people will barf at Lay Miserab, Part 2 or whatever?

[1014] I bet they do.

[1015] Do you think barf gets more barf, lame is a rob or us?

[1016] I hope it's us.

[1017] I feel like we're number one.

[1018] I feel like that, too.

[1019] I mean, no one will ever be, nobody feel bad.

[1020] First of all, I can't tell you the places I've barfed.

[1021] It was a real passion of mine in the 90s, but I remember doing it into my own lap in my friend's convertible car.

[1022] Oh, God.

[1023] And she was just like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. It's a convertible.

[1024] You could have turned your head any direction.

[1025] And it would have been taken care of.

[1026] At least you were being polite.

[1027] You know, and my dad, we'd be on road trips and we'd get food and he'd say, eat over your clothes.

[1028] You were kind of following that.

[1029] I was just trying to keep it contained.

[1030] Well, all I had to do is that.

[1031] It didn't have to be contained at all.

[1032] So we feel you over here.

[1033] We're feeling it and smelling it a little bit.

[1034] okay here we are and we're back we're back to the horror of life to you've now described one of the creepiest concepts which is a serial killer who is operating in abandoned neighborhood that's right how have they not made a horror movie out of this because that's i think i don't know i don't know you're like have you never heard of have you never heard of mrs doubtfire i don't know i don't know I couldn't come up with a good one.

[1035] Yes, they loved it.

[1036] It was perfect.

[1037] It started there.

[1038] It's like, it was the, okay.

[1039] 1976, April Fool's Day.

[1040] Oh.

[1041] On April 1st, 1976, at around 3 p .m., three oil industry workers are in between shifts and waiting for a friend to show up, and they're bored.

[1042] And so as you do, they say to themselves, let's go check out that abandoned house.

[1043] I would.

[1044] I would, too.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] Because that's fun.

[1047] But their fun turns terrible.

[1048] They break into this vacant house.

[1049] It's northeast 8th Street.

[1050] One of the interesting things, and now this makes sense to me, because I was doing all this reading about, all this stuff I just talked about.

[1051] And one of the things is they paid a fair price for the people who got kicked out of their houses, but they only gave them like a month to get out.

[1052] So there was tons of furniture and like expensive shit left behind.

[1053] Oh, you love to go through that shit.

[1054] I mean, it sucks.

[1055] It sucks, it sucks.

[1056] You know, urbanization.

[1057] It's bullshit.

[1058] But...

[1059] Droars, baby.

[1060] All I want to do is look through other people's drawers.

[1061] It's all I want.

[1062] I don't want there to be an apocalypse, but if there is, I hope everyone leaves everything behind for me to go through.

[1063] Yes.

[1064] So...

[1065] It's a slice of life.

[1066] That's right.

[1067] Okay, so they're in this house at Northeast 8th by Stiles Park.

[1068] You guys know it.

[1069] It's about...

[1070] It's pronounced De Laeus.

[1071] Shit.

[1072] It's about one and a half miles from here, so that's fun.

[1073] The front door is boarded shut, but the back door is unlocked, so one of the dudes enters through a hole in the side of the house.

[1074] I guess he didn't know the back door was unlocked.

[1075] I guess he didn't know was abandoned.

[1076] Yeah, it didn't proofread that.

[1077] It's dark inside.

[1078] Someone trips over something.

[1079] And then the room has the smell of something rancid.

[1080] One of the box, one of them, they see a popcorn.

[1081] bucket in the corner and one of them knocks it over and inside the popcorn box is a severed head head head so this is like a popcorn like a bucket from the movie theater i think so jesus that's going to ruin your movie going experience into the future that's right shit um they quickly realize it's at the head of a woman and so they called the police.

[1082] The police think it's a joke because it's April Fool's Day.

[1083] They come out anyways and realize it's fucking, it would be a terrible joke and it's not a fucking joke.

[1084] They find other parts of the body strewn about the house, including what the dude had tripped over, and realize it's the body of a female.

[1085] So her, let's see, da -da -da -da -da, okay.

[1086] So the police aren't able to identify the woman, and they try to compare her teeth to dental records of several missing women, but nothing matches, and she's classified as a Jane Doe.

[1087] A sculptor works with police to produce a clay reconstruction, but it doesn't come up with any leads, so that goes cold.

[1088] Three years later, on April 19, 1979, okay, a couple kids are playing basketball.

[1089] When a dog runs up...

[1090] No. With a severed head in its smell.

[1091] that one person's clapping like there's ma 'am ma 'am stop it that's what everyone's why we're here she's a therapist and she's like get those children into therapy and one of those children was lebron james because that's how you are inspired we have to we have to overcome things to get to good places he's never been he's never stopped playing basketball he drives him he sees it at night during the day a dog runs up if that wasn't a horror movie everyone in the audience would be like this is corny I have to get out of here stupid that would never happen and you could just imagine what it's like it's you know probably the neighborhood abandoned places and oh you may okay the cops come and they are like oh shit and they canvass the area they don't find anything else they come back the next morning to just be like let's just double check that and they find more body parts in places that they weren't there the day before.

[1092] As if someone had crept in the night before and fucking left them for them to find.

[1093] They're called back repeatedly through the next two weeks as body parts keep turning up.

[1094] And they're found in wrapped in newspaper and in brown wrapping paper like as if it's a butcher.

[1095] Hence the Oklahoma City butcher.

[1096] And they realize it's the body of a woman.

[1097] And the body parts keep turning up until May 1st, 1979, when the rest of the body is found in the area.

[1098] A week later, fingerprints positively identify the woman as 22 -year -old Arlie Bell Killian.

[1099] Family members tell police that they'd seen Arley just hours before she had been found.

[1100] Even though she is involved in sex work, police immediately suspect that it's not someone on the street.

[1101] It's one of her male relatives who there were newspaper accounts that.

[1102] He had escaped from a mental hospital the same day of Arlie's murder, and he had a history of violent behavior, including attacking things with a hatchet, including his grandmother.

[1103] He didn't kill her.

[1104] Sorry.

[1105] Isn't this just Friday the 13th?

[1106] Oh, shit, is it?

[1107] Or is that Halloween?

[1108] It might be Halloween.

[1109] Halloween.

[1110] They're kind of all the same.

[1111] All right.

[1112] One would argue.

[1113] That's horrifying.

[1114] Police records, they look into him because they're like, this has got to be the dude, right?

[1115] But it turns out that he had been re -arrested and brought back to the hospital a week before the last of the remains were found, so he couldn't have dumped the pieces himself.

[1116] And so they were like, not him, goodbye.

[1117] Seven years go by.

[1118] Wow.

[1119] And on March 6, 1986, a mile from where the last body, was found.

[1120] So it's all in this, like, really small little area.

[1121] Seven years later, a leg and a torso from a female are found in an alley behind a house, and a week later, a homeless person finds the head of the next victim behind a house just down the street from there.

[1122] The victim is identified by two tattoos on her shoulder as 22 -year -old Tina Sanders, and she had been seen the last seen the day before she died.

[1123] later, police publicly link these two deaths and the Jane Doe from 1976.

[1124] So they'll be like everyone, you should freak out, something's going on here.

[1125] It's big.

[1126] It's big and horrible.

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] The Jane Doe and Killian have distinctive incisions in their face that the killer had done, so they're similar and the body parts of both these latest two victims had intentionally been scattered in different parts and they're all, two were known to be sex workers, and they're all young Native American women with a similar, like, physical appearance.

[1129] Each death happened in the spring, and there was evidence that the killer took us time with each of the victims.

[1130] And early reports say that the killer's a medical student or physician because they're like, the cuts were perfect.

[1131] And then the detective Eastridge, who became a cold case detective of this, is like, no, they're not.

[1132] They're crude and sloppy.

[1133] So it's not that.

[1134] That was just like a theory that came out.

[1135] You know how that shit, rumor mill.

[1136] It's suspected that the killer now named the Oklahoma City Butcher might have been in the military or even in jail during those periods between when he killed people.

[1137] But the linked murders don't receive a lot of media attention because of the marginalized victims and all the cases, it runs cold.

[1138] Let's see.

[1139] Okay.

[1140] So enter Andra Medina in 1993.

[1141] She comes forward and to report her cousin missing.

[1142] She had been missing for the past 17 years.

[1143] Her cousin, Kathy Lynn Shackleford, had been 18 years old and a member of the Sack and Fox tribe.

[1144] And Andra's mother had always told her that it wasn't her business to inquire about her cousin's disappearance.

[1145] She would leave it to the mom and dad and the family.

[1146] But as soon as Andrea's mom died, she's like, fuck this shit and goes to the police and is like, I'm going to find my cousin.

[1147] And so she, in 1993, she calls the police to report her cousin missing.

[1148] And they, they, Sergeant Norma Adams from Oklahoma City remembers a photo she had seen hanging by, in the police station, and it matched Andro's description of her cousin.

[1149] So police can't find dental information for the cousin.

[1150] They soon learned that her dental charts had been destroyed in a fire at her dentist's clinic.

[1151] But her medical records from the Sack and Fox tribe, they are not able to provide a dental match either.

[1152] So they send DNA to Cal State Berkeley with the sisters, the cousins' sisters.

[1153] It matches.

[1154] Okay.

[1155] The test proves that it's a perfect match, and the woman in the abandoned house is positively identified 17 years later as Kathy Lynn Shackleford.

[1156] Kathy had run away in June of 1975 when she was 17, less than a year before her body was found.

[1157] That was the first body that we saw in the abandoned house.

[1158] Right.

[1159] And she's heard from two months before her death, and Kathy's loved ones do start searching for her right away, but they don't know why she didn't contact them, but people tell them that they had seen her around the country, so they don't think anything is wrong, they just think she's not contacting them.

[1160] And her family members talk about her as someone who always had a smile on her face, and it was very caring and always initiated hugs.

[1161] And now that she's identified, her family is able to bury her among her relatives in Sack and Fox tradition in a Native American ceremony in Shawnee.

[1162] In 1988, city council members, okay, so that's that story.

[1163] Then we're going, okay, I'm a bad, okay.

[1164] In 1980, back to this urban renewal bullshit, city council members admitted that the urban renewal plan had made Oklahoma City, that was supposed to make Oklahoma City, a city of tomorrow, had not worked out as they hoped.

[1165] And a councilman declared, downtown is dead and we helped kill it.

[1166] Oh.

[1167] That's how you fucking take responsibility, I think.

[1168] You take it all.

[1169] Yeah.

[1170] And it wasn't until the MAPS initiative in 1993.

[1171] Good job, guys, that the city began to rebuild itself.

[1172] So many of the Northeast streets and neighborhoods that the Oklahoma City butcher had stocked are long gone.

[1173] They've been raised and turned into gentrified lofts and Epistigal eateries.

[1174] Probably I saw three breweries today within one block radius, so I'm guessing.

[1175] Parade, parade, parade, parade, pari, pari, pari.

[1176] Yeah, not talking shit.

[1177] I went to one.

[1178] And it's all brightly lit, regularly patrolled areas now.

[1179] The Oklahoma City Butcher has never been caught.

[1180] Really?

[1181] Or identified.

[1182] Sorry, guys.

[1183] Well, and now this is where we turn to you.

[1184] We're going to walk you all home tonight.

[1185] To your computers where you're going to solve this crime.

[1186] Yes, please.

[1187] And the murders of Kathy Shackleford, Arlie Bell, Killian, and Tina Sanders remain unsolved to this.

[1188] day.

[1189] Detective Kyle Eastridge, who was now the cold case detective, he's retired now.

[1190] He said that it's interesting that the first two murders are almost exactly three years apart, and then the last known victim is seven years later, so he wonders if there's a victim in between those two that hasn't been identified as part of this spree yet.

[1191] He also says that despite the two of the women being known sex workers, they were just doing what they had to do to get by, and Kathy's cousin, Andre Medina, who helped get her identified, says that her family tries to think she's in a better place now.

[1192] But sometimes she wonders who this person is and is he still alive and they just want to know his identity.

[1193] And that is the fucking Kansas City butcher story.

[1194] Oklahoma City.

[1195] Oh my God.

[1196] Shit.

[1197] You're right at the finish line.

[1198] You're right there.

[1199] Shit, Stephen!

[1200] And that was the Oklahoma City Butcher.

[1201] I'm so sorry.

[1202] I can't believe, well, I can believe I've never heard it, but I have never heard that.

[1203] It's so fucking disturbing.

[1204] It's so disturbing.

[1205] We always try to avoid doing stories like that, which I didn't do tonight, because it's just so horrible and it's marginalized women, and it's, you know, and unsolved, of course.

[1206] But it just seems, it's crazy that we haven't heard about that all the fucking time.

[1207] And now that this insane DNA bullshit's going on, maybe he can be found and taken in.

[1208] Yeah, let's hope.

[1209] Let's hope.

[1210] Should you do a quick hometown?

[1211] Do we have time for our hometown?

[1212] We do it real fast.

[1213] Now we have, before you start pointing.

[1214] Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[1215] The three.

[1216] There it is.

[1217] Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[1218] Ooh.

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] I'm all hopped up from the eight ball I did backstage.

[1221] He does listen to us.

[1222] He does listen.

[1223] He's never even had a cigarette before.

[1224] Holy shit.

[1225] I know.

[1226] Wow.

[1227] Oh, my God.

[1228] It goes up there.

[1229] I know.

[1230] Will you guys climb up there?

[1231] I'm going to be right down there under that exit sign.

[1232] So no one who has puked or been puked on, please.

[1233] Okay.

[1234] Yeah, that's a good role.

[1235] We really do.

[1236] It's a thing, too.

[1237] When everyone's pointing at someone and that someone is cowering in their chair they don't she doesn't want to be I do want to tell you one rule I know one rule I'd stop yelling just so I can tell you this one rule which is you know all the rules we say it every single time this one seems to be coming up over and over and I feel and I'm starting to feel bad for the people we want it to be local We want it to be local It can be in the state Or it could be nearby Oklahoma City But we'd love it to be in Oklahoma City But I swear to fucking God If you roll up here with some Kansas City bullshit Okay We should start kicking people off If they do that, right?

[1238] Oh my God, I hate this so much I hate it, I hate it Karen do you want to do With the sign that says Stephen on it With the Wheat Woo, yeah Go to Vince right there That way, that way.

[1239] Oh, they're coming up together.

[1240] Oh, no, it's two.

[1241] I don't know.

[1242] Ugh.

[1243] Okay, turn the lights down.

[1244] This is so crazy.

[1245] It's terrifying.

[1246] It's truly terrifying.

[1247] So crazy.

[1248] Are you mad?

[1249] It's two people?

[1250] Yeah.

[1251] I'll give them a chance.

[1252] I'll give them a chance.

[1253] I saw her mouth something about my mom.

[1254] Oh, right.

[1255] Okay.

[1256] Okay.

[1257] Hi.

[1258] It's Dee Dee and Kelsey, everybody.

[1259] Mother and daughter.

[1260] Mother and daughter.

[1261] Got it.

[1262] And this is...

[1263] That's my graduation cap.

[1264] This is my graduation cap.

[1265] My last day of school ever was today.

[1266] Where'd you go?

[1267] What'd you do?

[1268] I can't either.

[1269] Dental hygiene.

[1270] I can't hear.

[1271] She's graduated from college school today.

[1272] She graduated from dental hygiene school today.

[1273] Nice.

[1274] It's a dental theme.

[1275] We should stand over here so we can hear.

[1276] Okay, yeah, yeah.

[1277] This is hard.

[1278] Okay.

[1279] Hi, guys.

[1280] Hello.

[1281] Where are you from?

[1282] We're from southwest Oklahoma right outside Lawton.

[1283] nice take it and my name is not every dd is crazy okay you say that you always say all the ditties are crazy don't start defensive it's a bad look okay so this story is um very hometown for us we live in southwest Oklahoma right outside lawton and in 1999 Kelsey's dad and I bought 160 acres to build our home so we closed on it started building our house and people started, it's about 30 minutes from where we had been living, and people started saying, hey, you know about the mass murder on your land, right?

[1284] I forgive you, I forgive you, I'm not mad, there's two people on stage right now.

[1285] I couldn't be happier.

[1286] Mass murder.

[1287] Okay, go ahead.

[1288] So, on March the 5th, 1916, there was a family that lived on our 160 acres, named the canes that were all murdered.

[1289] And what happened was on a Monday morning, the farm hand came to go to work, knocked on the door, nobody was roused, and went inside.

[1290] And inside, he found everyone dead.

[1291] There was, except the dad.

[1292] So there were, there was a grandpa, the mom, the dad, and five children.

[1293] One of them was four months old.

[1294] Four months old.

[1295] Four months.

[1296] old baby that the mother was holding.

[1297] And I will tell you that these newspaper articles that we found spared no detail.

[1298] Yeah, they get into it.

[1299] Very gruesome, very gruesome.

[1300] So basically, the mother and baby were dead in the bed.

[1301] She was clutching the baby.

[1302] The baby's throat was slit.

[1303] No more baby talk.

[1304] No, no. It was horrible.

[1305] Let Dee Dee tell her story.

[1306] Let me tell my damn story.

[1307] It's on my land.

[1308] Surprise at her button says, I'm a Karen.

[1309] I am a Karen.

[1310] And you're a Georgia.

[1311] That's right.

[1312] So there were two boys and two girls.

[1313] The two boys both were murdered in their beds.

[1314] They had bullet wounds in their heads.

[1315] The two girls were murdered.

[1316] But they didn't get bullets.

[1317] They just got bludgeoned and the like.

[1318] And the mother and the baby were dead.

[1319] But the dad, oh, and the grandpa was also dead.

[1320] But the dad, because they're all okayings and it's senior and junior.

[1321] and, you know, he was dead.

[1322] I mean, he wasn't quite dead.

[1323] He was bleeding, but he still had a heartbeat.

[1324] He still had a little bit of breathing.

[1325] And, of course, this is out in the country, you know, and they had to get, were their phones then?

[1326] No. Oh, I don't know.

[1327] Here, I'll look it up on your phone if there were phones or not.

[1328] There was no signal.

[1329] There was no signal.

[1330] Yeah, the Wi -Fi was really bad back then.

[1331] Kelsey said, Siri.

[1332] So, basically, we had heard that initially the farm hand had been accused and had been cleared through forensics, but we actually couldn't find that in the newspapers.

[1333] So everybody immediately thought it was the dad.

[1334] They had all been playing cards with some families the day before, all day Sunday.

[1335] They were well -respected family, but they just really couldn't decide anything else.

[1336] But then there was also part of the story was that the grandpa was a real Frankenstein.

[1337] And that is a grumpy monster.

[1338] And so they actually thought that maybe.

[1339] Yeah.

[1340] Mom's.

[1341] How are you doing, Kelsey?

[1342] She loves me a lot.

[1343] She loves you so much.

[1344] So there was speculation that the grandpa killed all of them because they were actually wanting to send the grandpa to the home and that the dad came in, found everybody dead, and he committed suicide.

[1345] But, and then also, they had a big problem with everybody wanted to see the bodies.

[1346] Y 'all talk about that all the time.

[1347] And they took all of these bodies to the mortuary, and they had to, like, lock the doors because there were such a crowd of people just wanting to get in and see the bodies.

[1348] And so they were all buried together except for the grandpa, and all of their coffins were white, except for the grandpa, right?

[1349] And thanks, Kelsey, for coming with me. you're not done yet I'm nearly done and anyway so they eventually said the father did it and that is the story of the okay mass murder on my land but and you can still see in our pasture where the home was yes but it is on the other side of the creek don't come over do they know give me address do they know they know for sure that the dad did it probably maybe it okay So there was like a wash basin with blood and fingerprints on a towel, and his hands were clean.

[1350] So that's all we have to go off of that.

[1351] We say yes.

[1352] It was the dad.

[1353] The dad did it.

[1354] Okay.

[1355] And the ghosts, there's no ghosts.

[1356] We don't go over there real often.

[1357] I don't play with my Ouija board anymore.

[1358] But the cows like it.

[1359] I bet they do.

[1360] The cows are fine with it.

[1361] Oh my God.

[1362] Guys, Dee Dee Dee and Kelsey, everybody, they killed it.

[1363] Great job, Oklahoma City.

[1364] Didi and Kelsey really changed my mind about two people coming up at once.

[1365] I'm converted.

[1366] I thought it was going to be a thing where it's like, anyway, we were in a thing.

[1367] I like to snap judge.

[1368] That was a perfect show, I feel.

[1369] Okay.

[1370] For me, for my enjoyment of it.

[1371] Stephen edits out me saying the wrong city.

[1372] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1373] And this part too?

[1374] That was a perfect show.

[1375] Do you know that we make lots of jokes about it, but it does break our hearts when you fuck things up because we really do want to give you the presentation that we know you would be able to give if you were the one doing it?

[1376] We understand that the scrutiny is very high because these are things you've poured over and that you know by heart.

[1377] And that alone gives us the shits when we do these things.

[1378] It's more pressure than we act like it is.

[1379] Please focus on that girl, I would love that.

[1380] When you remember tonight, mistakes that were made tonight.

[1381] Not me. It was all her.

[1382] No, this is amazing.

[1383] Our first time here, yeah.

[1384] Thank you guys for welcoming us in the biggest fucking theater.

[1385] Thank you to all the people who very actively and angrily complained that we hadn't come here, that we weren't in the Midwest enough.

[1386] it works we love it it works we love it uh we are so freaking hashtag blessed that you guys support us so much it's great i mean this whole ride is crazy and we can't believe that we get to do this that we have a freaking book coming out that you guys it's really bananas and we're so so appreciative for everything you guys have done for us yeah it's very um i feel like right now we're coming into a time where we can actually start feeling what's happening to us without being so freaked out all the time.

[1387] You'll see when it happens to you.

[1388] It's so crazy when your podcast explodes.

[1389] But the coolest part I think is that every time we know, no matter what else is going on, we come out on this stage that we're talking to a bunch of our friends.

[1390] And that feeling that we get to be up here and doing the thing that we like the best and that you guys are here for it is so fucking.

[1391] satisfying for us and it really makes it like this is kind of the cherry on top of the rest of the Sunday is when we get to be out here with you guys so thank you so much for having us and of course stay saved and do God's missions always please but then also stay sexy and Oklahoma City thank you thank you Oklahoma City!

[1392] Thank you Oklahoma City!