280 - MFM Guest Host Picks #3: Billy Jensen

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hi, I'm Billy Jensen.

[2] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[3] I'm guest hosting for Karen in Georgia.

[4] I'm the co -host of Jensen & Holes, the Murder Squad, with Paul Holes.

[5] And Georgia and Karen are not only my friends, but they're my bosses, and they make me laugh out loud.

[6] And I'm so excited to be guest hosting.

[7] I actually went back, I listened to a bunch of episodes, and I went back and listened to the first episode.

[8] And Georgia, and it says, I feel like we're going to change lives.

[9] She was joking, but she doesn't realize how true that was, including my life, too.

[10] So I love MFM, and I'm here to present my favorite Georgia story and my favorite Karen story.

[11] So we're going to start with my favorite Georgia story.

[12] I listen to a bunch.

[13] I listen to Honolulu Strangler, Michael Peterson, Jill Dando, Tent Girl, but the one I settled on is the Dexter murder from episode 163.

[14] I love this episode.

[15] The storytelling is clear, it's concise.

[16] Since the subject was a guy making a Star Wars movie, there are Darth Mall and Boba Fett references.

[17] Live action role playing or larping is described by them as Civil War reenactments meets Star Wars.

[18] There are references to Bumblebee and Wolverine and dating sites and catfishing.

[19] And it's classic Georgia and Karen, because it's Georgia talking about how reckless she was as a teenager in chat rooms, talking to all types of strangers.

[20] And her username, by the way, was Georgia 1313, which is funny.

[21] And then Karen riffing on Micebase with a great line where she says, why don't you just walk down Melrose and ask everyone you meet, am I good looking?

[22] So, but in the end, you know, they get serious about a really horrific sociopath named Mark Twitchell, who catfished a man and then lured him to a killroom he created, inspired by the TV character, Dexter.

[23] So here it is my favorite Georgia story.

[24] Now it's your turn.

[25] Okay, it's my turn now.

[26] We hate murderers.

[27] They fucking suck.

[28] That's true.

[29] Overall, this one is particularly a douchebag.

[30] Okay.

[31] So here we go.

[32] This is the Dexter copycat killer.

[33] Okay.

[34] You hear from me?

[35] I've heard about this.

[36] We didn't do this, did we?

[37] It was in a minisode.

[38] Okay.

[39] So we didn't do this.

[40] We didn't do this dude.

[41] We did it in a minisode.

[42] I was going to do it at a live show when we were in Toronto.

[43] Toronto.

[44] Toronto.

[45] Toronto.

[46] Toronto.

[47] I did get that message.

[48] But it was 30 hours away from Toronto, so I did it.

[49] But here we go.

[50] Meanwhile, I'm doing them that are like up in the Arctic Circle, never even thinking about it.

[51] What do they want?

[52] Yeah.

[53] This guy sucks so fucking bad.

[54] Mark Twitchell is his name.

[55] Sure.

[56] He's born in Edmonton, Canada on July 4th, 1979.

[57] Fourth of July, it means nothing.

[58] It's in Canada.

[59] It's absolutely meaningless to Canadians.

[60] They don't care.

[61] They don't know what you're talking about.

[62] Right.

[63] he graduates from the radio and television program at the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology he fucking wants to be a filmmaker he okay spent several years living in the Midwest goes back to Canada to pursue a career in filmmaking which has never been said before here come all the Edmonton filmmakers down your throat that's fucking right he's obsessed with sci -fi likes doing cosplay not there's anything wrong with that but this guy sucks particularly badly okay dresses up play out scenes from his favorite movies called LARPing, right?

[64] Live action roleplay.

[65] Fine.

[66] So he's, yeah, basically there's regular nerds who especially love a certain thing and want to delve all the way into it.

[67] We relate.

[68] We are those nerds.

[69] But then there's the nerds that do that, but then they also have a homicidal element to their personality.

[70] Right.

[71] We don't like them.

[72] No. We'll go to your fucking, it's basically like doing a Civil War reenactment but a fucking Star Wars.

[73] That sounds way more fun than a Civil War reenactment.

[74] Here's who really looks like.

[75] Picture Adam Devine, the comedian from workaholics.

[76] Who could actually play my younger brother if necessary.

[77] Really?

[78] Adam Devine, don't you think?

[79] I don't know.

[80] I've never thought about it.

[81] Leave it.

[82] Leave it.

[83] Who's Paul Giamati's younger brother?

[84] Is that?

[85] Okay.

[86] So it's Paul.

[87] Nope.

[88] Adam Devine.

[89] Okay.

[90] But picture him in a homemade bumblebee costume from fucking transformers or dressed up as Wolverine with like, you know, fake sideburns at a bar.

[91] He's also, this is like, so this is the early 2000s.

[92] So he's super into going online looking for personal relationships.

[93] He goes to like dating sites and shit.

[94] Chat rooms.

[95] Remember those?

[96] No. We loved them.

[97] So much.

[98] Yes, we did.

[99] The idea of being on that and like just trying to randomly talk to anybody, I would never do that in a million years.

[100] I did it constantly.

[101] Keep in mind, I was under 20 years old the entire time.

[102] I did it.

[103] That is a forensic files waiting to happen.

[104] Georgia 1313 was my username.

[105] Oh, shit.

[106] That just hit me. I just remember that.

[107] Like, do you think that people were like, hopefully she's 13?

[108] Oh, God, I didn't even think about that.

[109] I just was like, what's a scary number?

[110] 13.

[111] Great.

[112] Do it twice.

[113] Oh, man. Fucking double down.

[114] I didn't really get deep into it, but I did go into a lot of straight edge and fucking rave her chat rooms.

[115] that you needed that information i did that was stuff like guys where do we go pick up the egg that then inside has the directions to the warehouse right yes raver life okay i was too old i was just like it was too old that's to me all of the internet and when it started like that yeah and it was all my space and why aren't you my friend on my space type of shit i was not on any of it and i would say to people all the time why don't you just walk down melrose and ask people do you think i'm good looking because it's the same fucking thing or smart or deep or anything or interesting i'm 10 years younger than you so i was deep into that shit yeah i had a fucking live journal from the very beginning yeah girl i love that shit it's it was my home he also used like for his dating picture was a photo of darth mall oh honey from the not just star wars but from the reboot which everyone knows is terrible right don't get mad at any everyone Okay, I'm not wrong.

[116] Well, can I just say he didn't use Jar Jar Banks and maybe that's the, that's the number one douche?

[117] Oh, you're, oh, no, wait.

[118] No, you're right.

[119] You're like, well, hold on.

[120] Okay.

[121] Yes, correct.

[122] Well, can I ask a question about this, though?

[123] I might not be able to answer it.

[124] Okay.

[125] I think you will.

[126] Was he shopping for ladies or men on these dating sites?

[127] Ladies.

[128] Okay.

[129] He was super into ladies and somehow they were into him.

[130] Well, because, you know, why?

[131] because they saw that picture of Darth Maul and they're like, there he is.

[132] It's my dream man. Wait, is he Wolverine?

[133] He might be Wolverine.

[134] Can he transform?

[135] Oh my God.

[136] The sideburns alone.

[137] They loved it.

[138] So he calls himself a Renaissance man. And then I wrote, we call him a chode.

[139] Wow.

[140] In 2000, he's 21.

[141] He meets a woman named Megan online.

[142] They fucking fall in love and hit it off as only you could do in the early 2000s and fall in love.

[143] It was the best love back then.

[144] The best love.

[145] I did it a couple times.

[146] I totally fell for people online.

[147] She thinks he's charming and sweet and smart.

[148] And they are talking online for fucking months.

[149] Totally fucking did it.

[150] And Megan, who lives in the States, flies to Edmonton to marry Mark Twitchell.

[151] Wait.

[152] After a couple months of talking.

[153] Talking but not meeting in real life?

[154] I don't know if they had met.

[155] But maybe it probably was for a long weekend if they had.

[156] Yeah.

[157] That's no. He's 21.

[158] She's 20.

[159] They get married.

[160] She moves to Edmonton.

[161] Okay.

[162] From Colorado.

[163] Can I just say what I might?

[164] Always.

[165] I have a feeling that maybe she floated a thing of like, I can't fuck you unless we're married.

[166] No. She's like, if this guy, did you ever fall in love with a guy online?

[167] No. Yeah.

[168] This guy is who he's purporting to be online.

[169] Oh, my God.

[170] And it hadn't been outed yet that we don't trust anyone online, which we all know now.

[171] Yes.

[172] But this guy is amazing.

[173] He checked all her boxes.

[174] It was like, this was meant to be.

[175] Yes.

[176] Okay.

[177] Yeah.

[178] They're like, well, we're in love.

[179] You're the person you say you are online.

[180] I'm going to get online.

[181] Try it.

[182] You know what?

[183] I'm going to join MySpace.

[184] I don't care.

[185] I'm doing it.

[186] Get on there with me. Let's all see who can meet.

[187] Start from the beginning.

[188] Go to Makeout Club, which I did.

[189] Yeah.

[190] It's in our book, actually.

[191] Okay.

[192] Oh, pick up our book sometime in May. We don't know when.

[193] We don't know.

[194] Okay.

[195] So she gets married to him.

[196] They stay married for, four years, but as soon as she moves her, she's like, oh shit, this isn't the guy I thought he was online.

[197] Huh, really?

[198] Nobody knew.

[199] I'm now the meanest older sister in the world.

[200] Oh, really?

[201] Oh, really?

[202] Deborah.

[203] Because you thought you were going to go to Edmonton and everything was over there.

[204] Yeah, just because you spoke to him three times on the phone and the fucking, and you know, there was fucking long distance charges back then.

[205] She went the phone everyone.

[206] You don't know there wasn't tweeting or mean texting and shit.

[207] She was like every time she called him, it was like 10, 10, 10, 20.

[208] 10 for 21.

[209] That's right.

[210] You all these know what we're talking about.

[211] She realized he's a compulsive liar and that he's cheating on her constantly, which is just who he was.

[212] He was a fucking sociopathic, narcissistic piece of shit liar.

[213] Wow.

[214] Just a guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone and very bright and, but yet has, but sucks and has.

[215] Huge blind spots.

[216] Darth mall.

[217] Okay.

[218] He's a real Darth Mall.

[219] A Canadian one at that.

[220] Right.

[221] So yet less than a year after their relationship ends, he remarries in 2005 to another woman he's met online.

[222] They fucking have a baby.

[223] and this creep Mark Twitchell starts, he gains a small following among sci -fi fans because he's like cool to them when he directs a movie that he makes using green screen called Star Wars, Secrets of the Rebellion.

[224] Oh, he makes his own Star Wars movie.

[225] He makes his own Star Wars movie using mostly Green Screen and that doesn't have the money to have someone do the actual work to make it real.

[226] Right.

[227] Also, you can't make money on someone else's idea.

[228] So he would have just immediately been sued.

[229] George Lucas would have had him for dinner.

[230] But he was so cocky that he was like, I'm going to make this and this is what's going to get me work.

[231] Like, they're going to see how great I am.

[232] And he's just this cocky mean.

[233] Everyone who worked on the film was like he was such a fucking asshole.

[234] We hated him.

[235] Yeah.

[236] And the movie has a short cameo by the dude who plays Boba Fett in the Star Wars movie, which I was listening to this episode from last podcast on the left.

[237] And they're like, well, he's wearing a mask.

[238] So who the fuck even, you don't need the...

[239] I was going to say, is it the actor?

[240] Either way you don't know.

[241] Right.

[242] That's unprovable.

[243] Right.

[244] So then he also starts working, after that, he does that.

[245] He's like, this is going to make me famous.

[246] Then he starts working on a script for a comedy that he calls day players, which is essentially extras.

[247] Oh, okay.

[248] By our friend.

[249] Ricky Jervais.

[250] Thank you.

[251] Which is just about extras.

[252] He's not our friend, by the way.

[253] I know.

[254] He's a Siamese cat.

[255] We don't know him.

[256] Okay.

[257] So he starts making this fucking stupid show.

[258] There's a trailer for it online that's basically every dude you've ever dated in improv if they made a fucking short with like their video camera from 2007.

[259] No, thank you.

[260] And like Rift.

[261] And then we're like, this is the best part.

[262] Let's put it in the trailer.

[263] And you had to be like, oh my God, baby.

[264] It's so.

[265] I'm sorry.

[266] I'm talking from experience.

[267] No. Baby, it's so funny.

[268] You're the best one though.

[269] I mean, it's so good and you're so fun.

[270] How do you like think of stuff?

[271] that quickly.

[272] Can I just right now quote my friend Derek Riddle who is an incredible incredibly talented Scottish actor who was on the book group with me one of the funniest people I've ever met but an amazing actor and you've actually seen him in a ton of stuff I can't think off offhand but one time was we were being driven to set it was me and Derek Riddle was in the front seat Jimmy Lance and one other person and those guys were talking and they were just riffing endlessly and it was just this kind of nonsensical conversation that they were riffing through.

[273] And from the front seat, I'm not going to be able to do the Scottish accent correctly.

[274] But Derek just goes, Jesus, somebody block.

[275] Oh, yeah.

[276] Somebody run through this motherfucking thing and end this shit.

[277] Ruin this.

[278] Jesus.

[279] Somebody no but this improvisation.

[280] It does make you appreciate really fucking good improv when you see it.

[281] After you've seen so many exes bad.

[282] I'm sorry.

[283] There's a lot of bad everything out there.

[284] There is.

[285] The majority of most things are bad.

[286] But you don't have to date a person who's doing it.

[287] And like a lot of bad things that you don't have to go to their performance of.

[288] Like someone's bad at painting.

[289] You don't have to sit and watch them paint for two and a half hours.

[290] And get drunk.

[291] Okay.

[292] At I .O. Listen.

[293] Okay.

[294] So he's a fucking lying liar who lies.

[295] He quits his job, doesn't tell his wife, does the fucking thing of, I'm going to work.

[296] now goodbye, which is like such a fucking sociopathic thing to do.

[297] But also, oh, you get it?

[298] It's my favorite.

[299] There's something about it that fills me. I become enthralled.

[300] It's very similar to Marty Grau just started and one of it's, I believe it's the skin and bones crew, but they started their party at 5 a .m. And when I saw the video on Twitter, it was almost like I was in a float up off the couch.

[301] The idea of getting up at 5 a .m. to drink and party and do drum.

[302] in the street and hang out what is like my dream you know who else does that is people who are into football which yeah okay soccer overseas yeah and they'll do that and i'm like damn i wish i could watch that i wish i cared yeah set your alarm and get up and you're like well i have to drink because over there it's it's after five but i just any anything like that and and then also this idea that maybe you've fucked up maybe you've fucked up so bad you can't tell anyone so then you're putting all this energy into tricking people into believing you didn't fuck up.

[303] Yeah, but that just shows what a lot, like, that you, I mean, once you get to that place where you can't lie, because you've already lied so many fucking, or you have to lie because you've like, no, it's, I know.

[304] I'm just remembering in college, after I flunked out of college, between the time I told my parents and didn't, I would get up every day and run to the mailbox to make sure they didn't get my report card before me. And after, after I broke the news, whatever, my dad goes, Yeah, and your little mailbox trip didn't work either.

[305] Of course, it's like, I've never cared about mail in my life.

[306] And suddenly I'm getting up and running to the mailbox every day where it's just like, your parents know, they know what you're doing.

[307] Yeah, I think you're stupid to be honest.

[308] Quits his job.

[309] But he still goes out on Friday nights pretending he has a job.

[310] He rents a garage in Edmonton's Southside, which apparently was a bad neighborhood.

[311] There was like a literal garage that he rented from a couple who didn't speak English so he's like great they won't be able to tell anyone anything oh yeah that's what he does um and he also starts telling he's trying to get investors in what he's calling his a list movie big budget movie that he's going to make that has a list stars that's already have already signed on in the movie and he's like a great bullshitter like Boba Fett will be there and of course Darth mall is going to make appearance he fucking talks about alec Baldwin being in like he's just like he's lying and he's really good at it like a lot of sociopaths are yeah and so people kind of believe him and he ends up getting like 90 grand to fucking make this movie that's a lot of money that's a lot of fucking money yeah he's it's it's the sociopath or whatever psychopath where they're the charisma floats it and I know a lot of us are like wait he can get a wife and fucking all this money two wives too and like but he's a liar but it's like well you have to have follow through like if he had put as much effort in fucking time into like what he actually did as he did selling his bullshit including to like selling it to these women that he's not a piece of it, maybe this would have been fine.

[312] Just, how about just don't be a piece of shit a little bit.

[313] Right.

[314] If that's a choice.

[315] Give it a shot.

[316] We don't know.

[317] Sometimes it's not a choice.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Go to therapy.

[320] Okay.

[321] So he also spends a lot of time on the internet where he creates fake accounts and he and fake identities and catfishes the shit out of people.

[322] Sorry, I'm just thinking of every Star Wars character he's pretending to be on the internet.

[323] Boba fat.

[324] Name too.

[325] It's me. R2D too.

[326] Right.

[327] Date me. I'm a robot.

[328] There you go.

[329] And around this time, he starts to become obsessed with the show, Dexter.

[330] Yeah.

[331] Which I've never seen a single fucking episode of.

[332] It was good.

[333] Yeah?

[334] Yeah.

[335] Okay.

[336] Yeah, it was really good because it was like a procedural, but then it was also like silence of lambs.

[337] And there was a slightly comic element.

[338] And that actor who plays Dexter that we've talked about a lot on the show.

[339] I love him so much.

[340] And of course, can't remember his name.

[341] I went to his house once.

[342] That's right.

[343] he was in that series that we loved.

[344] Remember when he had that accent?

[345] Yes, the British one.

[346] Something, Michael, something.

[347] Michael Seahaw.

[348] He is so good.

[349] He is so good and great to watch.

[350] Yes.

[351] Also, John Lithgow was on Dexter.

[352] Right.

[353] Like, it was great.

[354] I didn't watch it out of any kind of, I didn't watch TV.

[355] I couldn't afford TV at the time.

[356] And I had a desk job and I couldn't illegally download it to my work computer.

[357] That's the only reason I never watched it.

[358] If only there was some kind of a, like a Russian hub, you could have linked through.

[359] I tried.

[360] I tried once.

[361] And it.

[362] was like a little bit, um, like fucked up.

[363] And I was like, well, I can get through this with like a little bit of a fucked up screen.

[364] And then I was like, I have a headache now.

[365] So I just stopped trying.

[366] That was the last time I tried.

[367] Do you know that I couldn't remember my HBO Go password?

[368] So this last season of the Sopranos, I just bought it.

[369] And I told that to my friend Molly.

[370] And she was like, you fucking idiot.

[371] It's for free.

[372] Because I was like, and I just bought it.

[373] She's like, it's free.

[374] Just sitting there.

[375] Yeah.

[376] I can't figure it out.

[377] Yeah.

[378] solve your own problems can't like my therapist used to say Kim throw money at the problem yeah that's what I did yeah I just bought it yeah great goodbye goodbye um okay okay so he of course if everyone who doesn't know Dexter Morgan it's a TV show about a forensic blood spatter analyst by day and a serial killer by night he fucking killed other serial killers right yes great premise we love it very satisfying very satisfying it's like finally it's a good psychopath child molester stew everyone everybody That's the whole arc of it was all the different kinds of bad guys and he worked in the police department.

[379] Love it.

[380] Yeah.

[381] So he watches all episodes probably a lot of episodes.

[382] Yeah, I don't know how many there are.

[383] In four days.

[384] Whoa, what?

[385] Yeah, so he like does the fucking crazy person thing.

[386] He binged it.

[387] Wait, am I a crazy person?

[388] Because that's all I do.

[389] Well, no. Yes and no. No. Because you don't then go, well, now I'm going to go kill people.

[390] Oh, true.

[391] Thank you.

[392] So he creates a Dexter Morgan persona on his Facebook page.

[393] He pretends that he's Dexter Morgan.

[394] He actually gets like kind of a following of fans and like communicates with them.

[395] And he's like, he'd like post the thing that it's like, you know, Mark Twitcher is like way, way too similar to fucking Dexter Morgan and like creepy shit like that where it's like, calm down, dude.

[396] So he's living on his investment money from the movie he was going to make.

[397] And then that movie is called, he creates this new movie called House of Cards before all of it.

[398] Before House of Cards.

[399] It's the Canadian House of Cards.

[400] So he's...

[401] It's the House of Cards, eh?

[402] House of Cairds.

[403] Yeah.

[404] House of Cairds.

[405] I'm stealing that from Vince and Jesse Pop and our friend from Canada, who's so funny, Casey Corbyn.

[406] Yes.

[407] Okay.

[408] We just, I just got to meet.

[409] Yeah.

[410] And our Toronto shows.

[411] A hilarious comedian in Canada.

[412] Okay.

[413] So it's an eight -minute slasher fix flick that he makes about a cheery.

[414] So basically he's Dexter, but he's like, I'm going to change this slightly because I don't want to get sued.

[415] And it's he's, he kills cheating husbands instead.

[416] Okay.

[417] He fucking makes fake profiles of women on these dating sites, finds and catches cheating husbands, kills them.

[418] Seems a bit extreme.

[419] Yeah.

[420] It's like just to have a divorce.

[421] Yeah, exactly.

[422] Dexter's killing serial killers.

[423] And also, this motherfucker cheats on his wife all the time.

[424] What's happening?

[425] So like, let's not.

[426] Self -loathing.

[427] Let's not be a hypocrite.

[428] Can you not?

[429] But so he writes this bullshit fucking movie, and he tased where the character tases and abducts these people wearing a hockey mast, and he tapes them to a chair, gets their computer, like gets all their information, cleans out their bank account, and he, and in the end runs them through with a samurai sword and hacks up the body parts.

[430] Good God.

[431] Can I just say that Dexter never stole money from people from what I remember?

[432] Like he had a job.

[433] There was no financial gain.

[434] It was all purely like this is for the good of the people.

[435] Right.

[436] He also probably didn't own a samurai sword, which is like, if you were dating a guy and you went over to his house and a fucking samurai sword, I'd be like, oh, I have to check my car really, the last word wouldn't be on the size.

[437] No. If you own a samurai sword and an iguana, get the fuck out of there.

[438] Or?

[439] Both.

[440] I'm not saying one of the other.

[441] Right.

[442] Aguana, especially if the iguana is on your shoulder, holding a samurai sword.

[443] And you have a goatee.

[444] And the iguana has a goatee.

[445] Get out of there.

[446] We are making enemies left right and center on this episode.

[447] And I'm only two pages into this fucking story.

[448] Okay.

[449] All right.

[450] Here we go.

[451] So shortly after he shot this fucking stupid movie in his garage, a dude named John, who goes by Johnny, Altinger, has a date with a woman he met online.

[452] We're cutting to over here.

[453] Okay.

[454] Johnny is tall and friendly.

[455] He's a 38 -year -old oil -filled equipment engineer, whatever the fuck that means.

[456] He loves riding motorcycles, and he is really close to his friends.

[457] So he tells his friends, like, I'm going to meet this woman I met online on the website, Plenty of Fish.

[458] Oh, the Christian dating website?

[459] Is that a Christian dating website?

[460] It sure is.

[461] He's like, I'm so excited to meet her.

[462] She seems super fucking cool.

[463] She won't give me her phone number.

[464] And one of his really smart friends was like, give me her address just in case.

[465] That seems sketchy.

[466] Yes, I bet that was a woman.

[467] Yeah, this guy.

[468] Don't you think?

[469] Yeah, this guy has good friends.

[470] So he sends her the directions to the address in Edmonton Southside where he's going to meet his date, Jen, to pick her up for a date.

[471] Okay.

[472] And Jen's like, just go through the dark garage to the back patio, which is like, we always say to women don't go to someone's house to meet them, meet them in a public place.

[473] But like, men, you don't think about that, you know?

[474] Right.

[475] And I think it's rare than anything like this would happen.

[476] Right.

[477] But all of us should just be cautious for the first couple dates.

[478] Slightly cautious.

[479] Just like let's meet on the sidewalk.

[480] Yeah.

[481] Let's make sure it's at least a two to three lane highway that we're near.

[482] Lots of public exposure.

[483] It's a thing of like I feel like a lot of, I wish I'd known her like, you're not a bitch if you don't trust someone you've never fucking met before.

[484] Thank you.

[485] Let's shake on that one.

[486] That's a handshake statement.

[487] If I've ever heard of your.

[488] you're not a bitch if you don't trust someone you've never met before or don't know very well i mean and i'm talking six eight months in yes no trust must be earned by a steamable acts yes and trustworthy acts exactly if there have been none trust doesn't exist right and you're not a fucking cunt because you're where you're don't let them gaslight you into thinking what a untrusting person you are when you have ample reason not to trust someone and as an acting cunt i would just like to tell the people that are afraid to be one actress kind i mean i act like one that come on over to this side because it's if someone accuses you of that it's really not that bad right most of the time that just means that you're asserting yourself right and not doing whatever another person wants you to do right which i don't recommend i love it i'm there with it yeah um so so johnny uh after he goes to meet this woman and just after seven o 'clock he sends a message to his friends saying he's arrived at this date, and it's the last time anyone hears from Johnny.

[489] Realist, really.

[490] Okay.

[491] It's Canadian Thanksgiving, which is a thing, in 2008.

[492] Two days after Johnny had met with his date, Jen, when he misses a fucking much -anticipated bike trip with, like, motorcycle bike trip with his friends, and they're all like, that's not like him.

[493] And all he's super fucking punctual and reliable.

[494] And then they get an email from John saying, quote, I met this extremely.

[495] extraordinary woman, Jen.

[496] I'm going away with her to her summer home in Costa Rica.

[497] I'll call you at Christmas time.

[498] In a month.

[499] Yeah.

[500] Okay.

[501] Well, I'm assuming that Canadian Thanksgiving is around the time of American Thanksgiving.

[502] You've got to imagine.

[503] It's not in like fucking August, right?

[504] I would hope.

[505] Yeah.

[506] So, yeah.

[507] So they get like, if you got a message from your friends, like, goodbye, don't contact me. I'm going away.

[508] No. No. So his friends and family, of course, like, that's not fucking right.

[509] And they start calling around.

[510] They get word when he doesn't show up for work.

[511] They call the police.

[512] The police are like, waited out.

[513] It's not a big deal.

[514] His friends are like, you don't know, Johnny.

[515] So they break into his apartment.

[516] Oh, good.

[517] Where they find his clothes, his suitcase, his passport, all of that shit.

[518] There's no signs that he left on a vacation.

[519] So the police are probably like, all right, let's fucking look into this.

[520] I love those friends.

[521] I know.

[522] I love that they broke into his apartment.

[523] That's that kind of thing, too, where it's just like, you go kick that door down.

[524] What's going to happen?

[525] They're going to arrest you.

[526] And if Johnny comes back from Costa Rica, you can be like, what the fuck is wrong with you, dick?

[527] I'm not paying for your fucking door.

[528] You need to call your friends and family.

[529] And if, but he would never do that because he came back from Costa Rica and was like, you guys, he would have been like, you love me so much.

[530] I know.

[531] I know.

[532] My door down to find that out.

[533] Be, get hysterical sometimes.

[534] Get in there.

[535] Do it.

[536] Kick down doors.

[537] This detective Bill Clark is assigned to Johnny's case.

[538] Johnny's been missing for nine days at this point.

[539] He follows the directions to the garage that he had given to his friend and contacts the person renting it.

[540] Our fucking aspiring filmmaker, Mark Twitchell, who's been shooting a movie.

[541] be there.

[542] Twitchell's like, great.

[543] Let's take a look.

[544] He's like super into like, everything's fine.

[545] I'll show you around.

[546] Oh, the lock's been picked.

[547] I don't know what's going on.

[548] Like, someone must have been in here.

[549] I haven't been in here since the 10th.

[550] They find a receipt inside from the 15th from Mark's fucking, like, he just is not good at murder.

[551] He's not good and he thinks he's great.

[552] He thinks he's really fucking smart and he's truly one of the worst.

[553] You've, like, most incompetent fucking people you've ever seen.

[554] But he thinks he's smart.

[555] So he asks questions like he's concerned.

[556] And they don't consider him a suspect at all.

[557] And they start questioning people around the neighborhood.

[558] They find a couple who said that they saw, they witnessed an attack a couple weeks back.

[559] They say that someone came out of a garage, running out of a garage and trying to get help.

[560] And they freaked out and ran and someone was like chasing him.

[561] And they're like, it happened this time.

[562] But the cops are like, that's weird.

[563] It happened a week before Johnny's date.

[564] So what the fuck are they talking about?

[565] Oh, no. Mm -hmm.

[566] So they go public with hopes of finding info, and that's when this dude fucking guiles, Jill Tetro.

[567] So this dude is a 33 -year -old contractor.

[568] He had been separated from his wife.

[569] He had joined plenty of fish at that time, and he has a fucking story to tell that he hadn't come forward with.

[570] So Friday, October 3rd, a week before Johnny had gone on his date, He goes to Edmondson Southside to meet a woman He had been chatting with on plenty of fish Sheena is an attractive woman Seems really anxious to meet him She's smart, she's articulate They had been flirting She suggested dinner in a movie And they were going to go meet up at her house A few minutes past seven o 'clock He arrives, parks outside an open garage Goes into the garage It's too dark to see when someone starts attacking him And fucking uses a stun gun on him He gets shocked and he turns to see a man towering over him with a hockey mask on.

[571] Oh, my God.

[572] The guy in the mask pulls out a gun and points it at him.

[573] And so this Tetro is like, oh, shit, this isn't my date.

[574] And he forgot to tell anyone where he was going to be.

[575] And he's like, oh, shit, I'm dead.

[576] The masked man pushes him to the ground, covers his eyes with duct tape.

[577] And Tetro rips the duct tape from his eyes and jumps to his feet.

[578] And later he says, quote, I decided I better fight back.

[579] I'd rather die my way than his way.

[580] Yes.

[581] And spoiler alert, I know this because he later writes a book called The One Who Got Away, Escape from the Kill Room.

[582] Whoa.

[583] So this guy, he reaches to wrestle the gun out of this dude's hand.

[584] He fucking finds, like, when he touches it, he realizes it's a plastic fucking fake gun.

[585] And they start fucking brawling.

[586] And Tetro drops to the ground fucking Indiana.

[587] Joan rolls out under the garage door.

[588] Yes.

[589] Fucking gets out onto the street.

[590] Throw me the idol.

[591] I'll throw you the whip.

[592] Yes.

[593] He tries to run when he gets out there, but his legs aren't working because of the fucking stun gun.

[594] He's crawling down the unpaid gravel driveway and fucking Mark Twitchell comes after him, grabs his fucking legs and starts pulling him into the garage.

[595] It's saw.

[596] It's the movie Saw.

[597] Tetro looks up and sees a fucking couple out for a walk.

[598] And he's like, oh my God, fucking help me. I'm getting robbed.

[599] couple freezes because they see this dude with duct tape and like getting fucking dragged and the person who's dragging them has a hockey mask on.

[600] Oh, dude.

[601] Like, what would you do?

[602] Yeah.

[603] You'd be like, what the fuck is this shit?

[604] I would run toward that hockey mask.

[605] Fingers out.

[606] Let me help you.

[607] Yeah.

[608] Right.

[609] No, they freaked out and they ran away.

[610] But, but Mark had run away at that moment too.

[611] So they call 911.

[612] The cops get there and by the time they're there, everyone's gone.

[613] Okay.

[614] But, but fucking Tetra was able to escape and he doesn't come forward because he's afraid of being followed and attacked.

[615] He thinks the person must know who he is.

[616] Yeah.

[617] He does know who he is.

[618] He has all his information from that dating website.

[619] Right.

[620] And he can't track him down on plenty of fish.

[621] He's like, this is fucked up and scary, which sucks because if he had come forward, maybe something.

[622] But it makes perfect sense.

[623] It's like you basically went then through the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to you.

[624] You feel like a stupid fucking idiot probably a little bit.

[625] Well, there's, yeah, there's a lot involved there.

[626] Yeah.

[627] But then he comes forward.

[628] when he finds out about this.

[629] Yeah.

[630] So days after Mark Twitchell's first interview, he comes back to the station and is like, oh, by the way, I meant to tell you guys this.

[631] I actually bought a new car from a dude who was selling his car on the street.

[632] It happens to be a Mazda hatchback, which is the same car that Johnny fucking drove.

[633] Oh.

[634] So he's like, it was so weird.

[635] This guy was selling his car on the street because he had met a really rich lady who was going to buy him a new car when they got back from their vacation in Costa Rica, like just trying to fucking, like, overdoing his bullshit.

[636] Yeah.

[637] And which is what liars do.

[638] Yes.

[639] Saying he bought the car for $40.

[640] And that's, yeah.

[641] Yeah.

[642] So it's obviously stupid.

[643] Of course, the cops are like, oh, shit, this guy's a fucking idiot.

[644] Yeah.

[645] But they don't have any hard evidence on him.

[646] So they, he denies having anybody to do with it.

[647] But obviously, he becomes a prime suspect.

[648] they get warrants to search his car and home and sees a bunch of fucking dumb movie props and personal effects.

[649] It's October 27th.

[650] They find a computer with a deleted file in his trash bin.

[651] So you didn't empty this trash, but also like you can't just throw incriminating evidence into your fucking computer trash can and expect it to go away.

[652] Especially if you don't empty that trash.

[653] That's right.

[654] It's not how it works.

[655] Empty the trash.

[656] Just kind of make it hard.

[657] Cops like are bored probably.

[658] And they're like, just don't make this so easy for us.

[659] Yeah, exactly.

[660] So the opening, so the file is called S .K. Confessions.

[661] S .K. stands for serial killer.

[662] Oh, bro.

[663] So this fucking stupid idiot, uh, the opening line reads, this story is based on true events.

[664] The names and events were altered slightly to protect the guilty.

[665] This is a story of my progression into becoming a serial killer.

[666] So he fucking details everything he does with slight variations and says it's a fucking script.

[667] wow he's so stupid the 40 page document includes diary like entries that detail his crimes and when tetron reads the account of his attack through his words he's like it's reliving the event that's exactly what happened to me wow um and there's a gruesome step by step of how the murder happened on october 10th of johnny it's a so it's a cold -blooded attack with a pipe and is followed by graphic details of dismemberment and where he hid the remains.

[668] So he says exactly what he does coldly in his quote -unquote script.

[669] Yeah.

[670] And they also realized that Mark Twitchell had fucking broken in to Johnny's apartment and fucking used his email, had gotten his fucking password and used his email to send people messages that he was fine.

[671] But like how creepy that it was in his apartment.

[672] Yeah, that's sinister.

[673] So now Mark Twitchell, now 33, is arrested on Halloween of 2008 for the murder of Johnny Eltinger and police confiscate knives, saws, and a cleaver that are stained with Johnny's blood.

[674] And they discover his deleted confession, but they still don't have a body fucking Mark Twitchell refuses to cooperate.

[675] And there's video of him in the backseat of a fucking squad car being driven around for hours while the cops try to get him to talk.

[676] And he's just quiet and stone face.

[677] Like a real video.

[678] It's so creepy.

[679] Nine months later, though, he gives people.

[680] a map marking the location of the body, which was in a sewer drain.

[681] It's so sad.

[682] So March 2011, March Trichael goes to trial for first degree murder, and he takes the stand.

[683] He admits that he lured Tetro and Johnny to his garage, but he wasn't planning on hurting them.

[684] He says he attacked the men as a prank to get publicity for the movie that he was making.

[685] And he assumed that they would talk about their attacks and it would help promote his film.

[686] And he said it went wrong when John got angry about the prank and started attacking March.

[687] He said, Mark, he said it was fucking self -defense.

[688] Bullshit.

[689] Clearly, because then after the fact, you're sending people emails and you have all kinds of plans and schemes.

[690] And you write it as if it's true.

[691] Yeah.

[692] He also claims that his writings aren't about the murder at all, but that S .K. doesn't stand for serial killer, but Stephen King, whatever.

[693] He describes himself as a psychopath with little ability to feel empathy, but he's never diagnosed with any mental condition.

[694] Of course, in the end, the fucking jury deliberates for five hours before finding him guilty of first -degree murder.

[695] He's sentenced to life in prison and is currently serving that without the possibility of parole for 25 years in Saskatchewan and penitentiary.

[696] So then I was doing some research and in an ironic twist, fucking Johnny Altinger, the victim, He was also a bit of a nerd himself.

[697] He had been obsessed with computers since he was a kid and he got his first Commodore 64.

[698] He was a fucking total computer nerd too and was like obsessed with this stuff.

[699] The only difference was he was in a fucking psychopath asshole.

[700] So this was like the good guy.

[701] He used his computer skills in the 90s to play text -based fantasy role -playing games like Legend of the Red Dragon using his dial -up modem.

[702] And he even had the alias Ultra Magnus, which is a character from Transformers.

[703] as well.

[704] So there's this weird similarity between the two, except he wasn't a fucking piece of shit.

[705] Johnny's friends and family describe him as quiet, affectionate, and giving at his, you know, at the funeral.

[706] But nobody said the same thing about Mark Twitchell in court.

[707] And that's the fucking story of the Dexter copycat killer.

[708] Wow.

[709] Yeah, I feel like I've seen the whatever American justice version of that.

[710] Yes.

[711] Yes.

[712] And it's so disturbing.

[713] Like that idea that you're arriving somewhere thinking you're starting a date, like the most pure reason.

[714] Like date night energy and you get attacked by somebody in a fucking hockey mask.

[715] And this guy was 40.

[716] He was like really wanting to settle down.

[717] He wanted love.

[718] And he met this.

[719] It was just like the most pure reason.

[720] Yeah.

[721] And that happens.

[722] It's heartbreaking and awful.

[723] It's horrible.

[724] Yeah.

[725] Yeah, that was good.

[726] That's fucked up.

[727] So, uh, what?

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[750] Goodbye.

[751] What an awful story told very well.

[752] I hope you enjoyed it.

[753] Now, my Karen's story.

[754] Again, so many to choose from.

[755] I thought about Polly Class, which was Karen's hometown, or, Ronnie Chasen, but I had to pick the story of Bonnie Lee Bakely from episode 112, which happened right around the corner from me. Now, Bonnie Lee Bakely was married to a famous actor named Robert Blake.

[756] She was shot in his car after they ate dinner together when he said he was going back into the restaurant because he forgot his gun.

[757] It's an insane story.

[758] There's so much more to it, and I learned things that I didn't know.

[759] The episode is classic Karen.

[760] She sings, she does voices and impressions.

[761] Her description of the old school Italian restaurant, Vitellos, is if you like Kiss Your Fingars style Italian bullshit, this is your place.

[762] She sings Sammy Davis Jr.'s, Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow, which is the theme song from Beretta.

[763] There's a reference to Stephen grooming his mustache.

[764] And, you know, and I'm going to sound a little like Stefan here, or Stefan, but this story has everything.

[765] It's got polygamy, Debbie does Dallas, Jerry Lee Lewis, a hookup in a van behind a jazz bar, an explanation of Los Angeles's famous Angeline, Georgia losing her retainer at Mimi's Cafe and Van Nyes.

[766] And Karen gives the sage advice that how Hollywood makes you think you can do things you shouldn't and can't do.

[767] In the end, it's a tragic tale of a woman shot dead and a movie star husband, who many still think had something to do with it.

[768] So here is Karen's story of Bonnie Lee Bakely.

[769] okay so this i'm doing this story this week because i mentioned it uh last time it's the murder of bonnie lee bakely yes and uh and the you know eventual trial of famous hollywood actor robert blake fuck yes karen and it centers around one of the most popular and exciting italian restaurants in the valley vitellos it's gone right um no i think they redid it it's still there oh yeah okay it's just totally different now because it used to be like divey well it used to be let you know what it was it was like clearly it was like built in the 60s 70s probably early 70s I would say so the inside was like these big nagahide booths that were like red red plaid fake leather love it there's a huge like wall you know fresco or whatever you want to call it exactly right of uh like I don't know I can't remember if it was like Venice and grapes are grapes draped on everything and they're dusty because no one ever cleans them yeah like literal like plastic grapes like look at the bounty of Milan or I mean wherever yeah and they have like a house a glass of house Kianti for three dollars or whatever yes and they have those like melty red candles yes it's just the whole it's exactly like the classic Italian restaurant and the food like the the the garlic bread is just a big loaf of sourdough cut in half with garlic on it.

[770] I love old school places like this.

[771] So fucking much I want to cry.

[772] Yeah, it's, you know exactly what you're going to get.

[773] And Vitello's is good food.

[774] Is it?

[775] Because I don't even care.

[776] If it's like a, if it's the fucking ambiance is on point, I'm good.

[777] Well, do you like opera singers?

[778] Because they have that.

[779] Shut up.

[780] Yes, they'll have all of a sudden an opera singer will bust out singing.

[781] Can I tell you something really quickly?

[782] Do you know the one that's just like this on Vermont called, Stephen?

[783] you know Hold on It's on Vermont Dresden No it's on Vermont Crash from the House of Pyes We go there Vince and I used to go there We used to order pizza from there When I lived on Alexandria Yeah Hold on It's like dominoes It's like It's not domino It's I mean no not dominoes But like It's called This is sort of the P Pchelli Pits Pits Yeah I know Sorry we can cut this out Oh, why am I doing this?

[784] Palermo!

[785] Palermo!

[786] That's right.

[787] You did it.

[788] Palermo.

[789] Leave it in.

[790] Leave it in.

[791] Leave it in.

[792] Palermo, just like that.

[793] Also, when you go in and you're waiting for your table, you can get a glass of, like, dollar -boxed wine, too.

[794] It's like the best.

[795] So, one time, once I went through it the first time, we're like, this place is amazing.

[796] And it was a Friday night, so they had there a guy with a, um, he -huh, what are they called?

[797] Huh.

[798] An accordion?

[799] An accordion.

[800] An accordion, walking around singing at tables.

[801] And I go, oh, my gosh.

[802] that guy fucking was the entertainment at my brother's bar mitzvah no i was like is your name fucking israel whatever it was and he was like freaking out too and it was it was him and i took a photo and he's like i remember your brother no you don't uh that's amazing no you know what it is it's the knock chain hometown restaurant in petaluma it's um volpies where we go with my family and half of it is the original grocery store from the 20s.

[803] Oh, my God.

[804] That they took the like counter out and put in tables so that you're sitting in the old grocery store.

[805] I'm dying.

[806] It's really awesome.

[807] And that's up the street from that hotel, Pelham Hotel.

[808] I want you to stay out.

[809] I'm going to come with you to Perilum one day.

[810] You would, I think you have...

[811] Oh, when we do our Sacramento show, we should stay a night.

[812] We can stay at Laura's.

[813] Okay.

[814] Totally.

[815] But anyway, that's, that's, that's, so that's Vitellos.

[816] It's, it's very Italian.

[817] Like, Like, it's, if you like kiss your fingers, you know, style Italian bullshit, that's, it's there for you.

[818] Is that they're saying?

[819] Yes.

[820] That's actually painted on the sign.

[821] If you like kiss your finger style Italian bullshit, this is your jam, Maru.

[822] So this was the play.

[823] Okay.

[824] So let's just get into this fucking thing because it's so insane.

[825] So we'll just talk first about Robert Blake.

[826] Great.

[827] He's famous actor.

[828] and up until this point he was kind of one of those he was like a Hollywood stalwart I would say he started he was one of the kids on our gang oh really yeah he was for in the little rascals original they called them the film series wow I didn't know that yeah and it was basically he grew up he was born in Nutley New Jersey to a vaudeville family his father was an actor and an alcoholic abusive an asshole the mom unfeeling and the three siblings they had a little like a vaudeville show with the little kids called the three little hillbillies put them to work right so they he's and he described his childhood as feeling like he was like a like a monkey with a monkey grinder like he was just out there begging for change around town in nutley new jersey which is horrifying yeah sorry I got all of the things I'm telling you right now from a show that I can couldn't love the title of more rich and acquitted so spoiler alert well now we know but i mean yeah but we knew because this was a famous case anyway why didn't that show in any of me's i mean it's so funny because it's when i when i look this up on youtube there's like a whole there's a whole realm of rich and acquitted and it and they're real because i when i first started listening to it i was like god they're being real judgy about like money and they keep talking about his money and then it's basically talking about how when you have money, the entire justice system works totally differently for you.

[829] And the whole approach and strategy to the justicism.

[830] So system.

[831] I'm not drunk.

[832] So the three little hillbillies have a, you know, minor success in Nutley, New Jersey in the surrounding area.

[833] So then, but it's the mid -30s.

[834] So because it's after the Depression, the movie business is exploding.

[835] Everyone's like, I've got, I do have 25 extra sense.

[836] I want to spend it on entertainment.

[837] I want things to be fun.

[838] I want to go and like watch the Zig Phil Follies or whatever, something big in a, in a movie theater and have a good time.

[839] So his father moves the whole family out to Hollywood because he thinks he's going to be the movie star.

[840] Bad news.

[841] They're so poor, they sleep in the car.

[842] You know, it's really hard.

[843] But the father gets a job in a hardware.

[844] store and his, Mickey was his name at the time.

[845] Mickey Gubertosi was his original name.

[846] Is Robert Blake's name?

[847] Is Robert Blake's real name?

[848] Funny.

[849] He was born as Mickey Guptosey.

[850] Oh, you're right.

[851] Mickey Guibutosi, he's five years old when he gets the job on the Our Gang series.

[852] Wow.

[853] And he starts as an extra and they showed clips on the show and he is the cutest.

[854] You see him, he's got this little twinkle in his eye but he's also like, he's like a little tough guy.

[855] And it's so cute.

[856] with all i mean our gang if you go back if you ever have a free day and you just want to have some dumb fun the our gang series was the cutest sweetest thing and all those little kids were really talented now there is extreme fucking racism because it was the 30s yeah but the cool thing was or i won't say cool but the thing that made it slightly different was that buckwheat was one of their friends and hung around right right um but you know there's all also as anything from from before from our lives 95 it's you know a different time anyhow so he basically he's the one that makes it big and he from from our gang um when that's over he kind of like it basically emancipates himself runs away from home he joins the army um he ends up marrying a woman named saundra ker he has two kids with her starts his family it looks like he's about to fade into obscurity as like a character actor that like was a child actor you know yeah because people it was really cool they had interviews with like other little kids that had been on that series that grew up to also be actors so you could recognize them as they were talking and they were talking about how Robert Blake as a child actor was really good he was a really good actor he was a really serious child like he was there to like kill it yeah which is very taking it seriously exactly not just because his parents wanted him to right not just because he would get the shit beaten out of him when he went home but but it's just that thing where you know like when those when little kids have it that kind of like why am I looking at that kid there's six kids and that's the one that's yeah yeah he was that so um right as he begins to fade into into obscurity he gets that part in in cold blood whoa and if you haven't seen the movie that robert blake stars Robert blake stars as you know one of the two killers in cold blood and he's so good and it's really I only saw a clip of it.

[857] I've never seen the entire movie starts to finish.

[858] Yeah.

[859] But it's really amazing.

[860] I think I watched it but didn't realize it was him and you don't watch it again.

[861] Yeah, because it's old.

[862] It's like a thing you see on AMC.

[863] Yeah, yeah.

[864] But it's really good.

[865] Also, and then it started making me think of how much I loved the version with Toby, that British actor.

[866] Keith.

[867] Someone make that, please.

[868] that short British actor that's in he was in ton he's been in tons of stuff he's so good and he plays um Truman Capote oh you remember that one and they go out to start interviewing the families it shows how Truman Capote wrote that book yeah but that wasn't a him that was uh what's his face philip Seymour Hoffman did one of a version and then there was another so there was one with philips Seymour Hoffman um and there was another one with sandra bullock and Toby McWire.

[869] No. British Toby.

[870] British Toby.

[871] Steven's going to find it.

[872] Stephen.

[873] Once he's done grooming his mustache.

[874] Steven.

[875] Toby.

[876] Keith.

[877] Oh, Toby Jones.

[878] Toby Jones.

[879] No. Don't know who that is.

[880] No. No. Yeah, yeah.

[881] But he's such a good actor.

[882] He's in everything.

[883] Okay.

[884] And that, oh, infamous is the name of the biopic.

[885] Okay.

[886] From 2006.

[887] But then there's also the, the, the, the, the, Philips, Mohoffin one, which is give it a looksy.

[888] It's good.

[889] I liked it.

[890] I just love that story that, you know, somebody like, Tremit Capote was just such an insane one of a kind beyond belief.

[891] That was a sidebar to beat all sidebars because basically he's in cold blood.

[892] He comes back.

[893] And that kind of brings his relevance back.

[894] And then he gets the lead on the cop show Beretta.

[895] Yeah.

[896] Do you remember that show?

[897] I was too young.

[898] You were definitely too young because I was like, it was just in my consciousness that was like such a mid -70 show.

[899] But Beretta was the cop that had the parrot.

[900] And so if you remember, he was like the Italian -looking cop with a white parrot on a shoulder.

[901] And he kind of had that Columboe thing where he was like, yeah, man, you know, and every man, I guess is what that impression just was.

[902] But if you, but you can look up.

[903] old episodes of Bretta and if only for the opening theme song How's it go?

[904] The full version is recorded by Sammy Davis Jr. And it's called Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow and it's like, keep your eye on the sparrow!

[905] You have to look it up.

[906] It's happening.

[907] It's so like, it's so like disco 70s.

[908] Look at the like hardcore fucking like weird solo bongos at the beginning.

[909] They're like here we go.

[910] The streets.

[911] Keep your...

[912] Yes.

[913] You have it.

[914] Holy shit.

[915] Maybe I do know it.

[916] This show had everything.

[917] And he ended up winning an Emmy for that role.

[918] I think that show went on for four years, whatever.

[919] So he basically then becomes a hit.

[920] And he invests his money wisely and he builds his wealth.

[921] And he also became a fixture on the Tonight Show.

[922] And so once Beretta was over, he was still like a big presence in Hollywood.

[923] And in the winter of the year 2000, he goes to a jazz club one night and he meets a woman named Bonnie Lee Bakely.

[924] And they hit it off immediately.

[925] So they and she didn't know he was a celebrity.

[926] She actually had to call her sister and say, have you ever heard of this name?

[927] Because he's saying he's famous.

[928] But that was in acquitted, rich and acquitted.

[929] Um, but they really did hit it off.

[930] Then at the end of the night, no judgment.

[931] They go out to his van and do it.

[932] No. Like the alley behind the jazz club.

[933] That's the first night they met is, is they did that.

[934] So then they're, that is where their fate is sealed.

[935] That's where in the alley.

[936] In the alley behind a jazz club in the picture that they showed in Rich and acquitted, it was this purple van on these big old, like, jacked up.

[937] wheels.

[938] Oh my God.

[939] It looks, it's like half Scooby -Doo, half like monster truck rally.

[940] You're like, where did you get this fucking car?

[941] If you invested your money so goddamn wisely.

[942] All right.

[943] In 2000, too.

[944] This car is from 2000.

[945] Not from the fucking good point.

[946] This is not the 70s we're talking about.

[947] It's not Beretta anymore.

[948] But he was truly keeping his eye on the sparrow.

[949] And keeping it real.

[950] Keeping it real in the alley.

[951] That's right.

[952] So, Now let's switch over to this woman, this romance that he's having with Bonnie Lee Bakely.

[953] So she was born in 1956 in Morristown, New Jersey.

[954] She was also poor growing up.

[955] They're both from New Jersey.

[956] Both from New Jersey, about 20 years apart or so.

[957] This is, she has a fascinating history.

[958] And this woman, if you want to talk about somebody that got fucking maligned after her own death, Bonnie Lee Bakely, we all heard every single thing this woman ever did.

[959] She was not there to defend herself or even just be a presence.

[960] Now, she did a bunch of fucked up shit.

[961] And that ended up getting proven in court before she met Robert Blake.

[962] But as the cop said in Rich and acquitted, it doesn't mean she deserved to get murdered.

[963] Totally.

[964] And it doesn't mean, you know, it doesn't mean she's any less of a victim.

[965] Um, I, I just remember when this case started how often they talked like on the radio and, you know, like Howard Stern style talk shit on this woman.

[966] Yeah.

[967] And apparently it was the lawyer's plan from the beginning.

[968] No. Yes.

[969] They were ready once the like indictment came or, you know, the charges were filed.

[970] The lawyer had it already of like, well, here's the victim.

[971] Wow.

[972] And here's her pass.

[973] It's pretty intense.

[974] So.

[975] Now, going back to where she came from, she was married for the first time and divorced when she was 15.

[976] Oh, honey.

[977] Then she dropped out of high school after she had a marriage and a divorce.

[978] Sweetie.

[979] What I estimate to be sophomore year.

[980] Then she was like, you know what?

[981] I'm past high school now.

[982] She's like, when am I going to go back to high school?

[983] When am I going to go to the spring formal?

[984] I don't think so.

[985] I'm a divorce.

[986] I'm above you all.

[987] Oh, my God.

[988] So she moves to New York City.

[989] She wants to be a model.

[990] She's really beautiful.

[991] She's great features.

[992] She's kind of a like bottle blonde.

[993] But in that, you know, she's like got this big open face.

[994] She wants to be a model.

[995] She wants to be an actress.

[996] And she goes right for those nudes.

[997] She's like, she just is like, I'm ready to do it.

[998] I want to do it.

[999] And let's do this thing.

[1000] She, nothing pans out.

[1001] which sometimes happens when you take nance people are just like yep put him in the pile with the other nance sure uh she ends up marrying her second husband was her first cousin no don't do that yeah she did it and she had three kids with him no don't do that either yeah yeah oh no they did that like what around year is this this is the sorry 70s this is like the early 70s oh and they're having cousin kids cousin kids and kind of like a i want to be famous but but maybe i'll just do this instead.

[1002] That's all fine, but don't marry your cousin.

[1003] Right.

[1004] Do whatever the fuck you want.

[1005] Don't marry your cousin.

[1006] Unless you love hemophiliacs, then we're talking about a different thing.

[1007] Gross.

[1008] Um, here's what's kind of cool.

[1009] So she has all these pictures that she took, trying to get, break into show business essentially.

[1010] She's a visionary.

[1011] She starts a mail order nude photo mailing like service.

[1012] Yes.

[1013] She puts personal ads in the back of like smut magazines that's like hey here's me do you want me to send you my nude photos right to me here and send me this amount of money so smart she starts fucking making bank on this business yes good for her so she's like the original dick pick you know like nudie gal she did it first yeah and she's sent she wrote send nudes please yes and they were like yes and she did it they're like i love nudes i was just reading this whole magazine of nudes i'd love more nudes yeah from your home.

[1014] Right.

[1015] And she's like, I've got this.

[1016] Um, so she eventually makes so much money off of this business.

[1017] She can buy several homes in the Memphis area.

[1018] Oh, my God.

[1019] Yeah.

[1020] So she's, she's, she's supporting that family.

[1021] She's like getting it done.

[1022] We're in the wrong business.

[1023] I mean, you have to be willing to in some of the pictures because there's exercise.

[1024] So pass.

[1025] Get on old fours with a cowboy hat on and nothing else.

[1026] Oh, no. No, I don't want to do that.

[1027] There was a lot of that kind of stuff.

[1028] Yeah, yeah, like campy shit.

[1029] It seemed very, it was like 70s porn had an innocence about it.

[1030] Where it was kind of like, look at me with no shirt on.

[1031] That's how a lot of those pictures felt.

[1032] I've seen Debbie does Dallas.

[1033] Have you?

[1034] Yeah.

[1035] Is it good?

[1036] No. It's fun.

[1037] Good storyline though.

[1038] The best.

[1039] Powerful ending.

[1040] Spoiler alert, Debbie does Dallas.

[1041] Well, no. The whole nighttime soap opera.

[1042] Okay.

[1043] Okay.

[1044] So now this is fascinating.

[1045] And it kind of shows you the mindset.

[1046] But also like, you know, she's from Tennessee.

[1047] She's living in Tennessee at this point, right, in the Memphis area, Memphis, Tennessee.

[1048] Just double checking with myself.

[1049] And she's trying, she still has that thing of like celebrity.

[1050] She's always been obsessed with celebrity ever since she was a little kid.

[1051] She wanted it.

[1052] She wanted to be around it.

[1053] She wanted to be near it.

[1054] So she gets this idea in her head.

[1055] I'm going to hope.

[1056] up with Jerry Lee Lewis.

[1057] Cousins.

[1058] He loves cousins.

[1059] She loves cousins.

[1060] That's, they live in the area where the cousin shit is entirely supported by the community.

[1061] Everyone's kissing their cousins.

[1062] People are used to it.

[1063] Go to third base with your cousin.

[1064] We love it, the town says.

[1065] In 1989, so she's 33 years old.

[1066] She's been married four times.

[1067] Holy shit.

[1068] She's been arrested for drugs.

[1069] Okay.

[1070] Which, it's the 70s that's going to happen.

[1071] Or, well, now it's the late 80s.

[1072] okay um but the 70s have existed so i'm giving our pass i guess and that's when the 80s were even worse man the 80s were a bit nuts but so it's 1989 is when she gets this jerry lee lewis plan and she actually ends up hanging out and like sidling up and she's a gorgeous woman so like she eventually meets him she gets to hang out with him a little bit i guess she ends up up with him she gets pregnant and tells him it's her baby and he's like it's his baby it's his baby she's like look this is my baby i hope it's her baby and there's no way you can prove me wrong and jerry louis it's like sounds great shit i'm sorry i'm sorry i keep hitting the mic no that's okay um so basically jerry lulus is like why don't you go ahead and take a paternity of your test for that baby they have those in 89 yeah they were very popular back then and uh of course he was not the father.

[1073] Oh, man. She basically takes her fourth husband.

[1074] It is like, we're moving to California.

[1075] Like, she just gets out.

[1076] And I should actually have you look this up, because this is the best.

[1077] Bonnie Lee Bakely.

[1078] She takes all that money from her home nudes business and buys herself a billboard on sunset.

[1079] Sunset's trip.

[1080] Like Angeline style?

[1081] Angeline style, except for it's just on the right side, it's her headshot, her 80s headshot.

[1082] Or she's just like, uh, and then it just says, Lee Bonney, that was her stage name.

[1083] Uh -huh.

[1084] Lee Bonnie with a phone number underneath.

[1085] Can I see this?

[1086] I need to see this immediately.

[1087] It's really, it's so 80s to me. It's just very like, look, here's an actress on a billboard.

[1088] So, Angeline, if you're not from L .A., but you've seen her, like, if they're, if they're going to do the beginning of a Hollywood movie, they will cut to an Angeline billboard.

[1089] And that's that lady with the insane breast implants.

[1090] She's got the 80s.

[1091] She looks like the rocker chick who would hang out.

[1092] at like the whiskey yes in the 80s who would like hook up with metal dudes metal dudes she's she's got a big kind of baby face tons of blonde hair I that was a staple of my childhood when we come to L .A to my grandma's house Angeline had a billboard there and I was just like I want to be like her when I grow up right and I am that look at you look at you and you saw yourself in that British tabloid um you've made it so well also she She was being bankrolled by some businessman.

[1093] So it was just kind of like, do you like this person?

[1094] Put them in your movie or TV show.

[1095] And that's kind of the way some people were trying to get famous.

[1096] Because nobody, because they hadn't figured out they can do stand -up comedy yet.

[1097] I'm going to see if I can find this for you.

[1098] Okay.

[1099] God, damn, I just bit my cheek so hard.

[1100] Oh, my God, are you okay?

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] There it is.

[1103] That was on sunset.

[1104] Oh, wow.

[1105] Yeah, it looks, it looks like a, um, real estate photo it's very reasonable yeah and it's very very beautiful yeah right and it's just kind she's just basically like if you drive by this and you want to put me in your thing sure totally feel free okay plus I have home nudes yeah she phones for days she you know she looks like somewhere between Meryl Streep and Bonnie rate yeah she has that look yeah um so like severe angles but pretty Yeah.

[1106] Okay.

[1107] And a nice tall forehead.

[1108] Maybe a little sigourney weaver going on.

[1109] There's a little weaver in there.

[1110] She starts writing.

[1111] So this was around the time where Christian Brando ended up going to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

[1112] Right.

[1113] Marlon Brando's son.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] Right.

[1116] He's going off the fucking rails.

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] That's a whole other.

[1119] I didn't even want to get into it because I'm like, ooh, we should save that one.

[1120] Because that's a whole insane story.

[1121] totally these Hollywood murders so he's in jail so she's one of those people she starts writing him letters in jail sending him home home spun nudes absolutely he's like this is great thank you so much and when he gets out of jail they start having a relationship oh shit yeah um so that's basically kind of this this on and off thing they a lot of people in this special say like they're seeing each other or whatever like uh -huh we get it we know what that means in a van in the alley behind the jazz club.

[1122] Oh.

[1123] But then when she's seeing Christian Brando in real life, that's when she meets Robert Blake.

[1124] That's where that story overlaps.

[1125] Okay.

[1126] So Bonnie kept flying back to Arkansas to pick up her mail because apparently when she lived in, she was, she ended up getting arrested there because she had so many fake IDs and so many fake social security cards for all the different people that she pretended to be when she had that home nudes business she never gave anybody her real name yeah so she she had a ton of fake ID like fraudulent ID basically she had gone home to pick up her mail um because she was uh had been arrested basically she got pulled over a cop said let me see your ID she pulls out one 15 other ones fall out the cops like what the fuck she gets arrested for fraud or whatever um so now she's on in Arkansas.

[1127] So she has to have an address there.

[1128] Yeah.

[1129] So she keeps, she like stays in LA for a little while, goes, checks her billboard to see if there's any takers.

[1130] And then she goes back, she has to go back to Arkansas.

[1131] She's been doing that on and off.

[1132] Okay.

[1133] But once she hooks up with Robert Blake, so it's April of 1989 now, she finds out she's pregnant.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] So she tells both Christian Brando and Robert Blake that they're the father.

[1136] And she's kind of doing this thing of like, I'm not sure which one I want to marry and I'm still trying to pick because Robert Blake had a ton of money and he was really stable and he was actually interested in her and like into her Christian Brando was young and good looking and you know kind of like the you know she was just trying to decide like who she was going to start a life with so she picks Robert Blake but then when she tells him so I'm pregnant and blah blah he's just like you lied to me and he he turns on her Robert Blake says yeah he's super mean they have so it also turns out um later on when this when this uh trial starts she recorded almost every single phone call she ever had shut up so they like when when this case started um i vaguely remember this yeah they had they have phone calls of theirs they have phone calls of other people she had like she just recorded all phone calls weird so they could go through all of them and that's when they start to find out her very checkered past like the actual proof of it but basically she thinks she's going to do this kind of like well I'm pregnant and so let's hook up and I finally made my decision of my two boyfriends in my Hollywood life and Robert Blake is like no fucking way and is so mean and like demanding she get an abortion telling her he's going to make her get an abortion like all this stuff that she actually ends up writing a letter to her lawyer saying, if anything happens to me, Robert Blake is responsible for my death.

[1137] Oh my God.

[1138] So she ends up going back to Arkansas or Memphis.

[1139] I think it was Memphis.

[1140] And she has the baby.

[1141] It's this beautiful little girl.

[1142] I mean, we've all seen, when the case came up, you saw a million pictures of her.

[1143] Her name's Rose.

[1144] And she is so cute.

[1145] She looks like she's wearing like a little black hat of hair.

[1146] And she's got like bright red lips.

[1147] And the second that Robert Blake saw the picture of her he called Bonnie Blakely and said get a paternity test because that's my baby and they did and it proved that it was his baby so he knew he knew it looks exactly like him and especially when you see those like our game clips or whatever it's she's looks just like him and she's really cute so he's basically says to Bonnie move back to LA make a life with me like I want to like I love that baby that's my baby let's make this work and so she gets on a plane even though she knows she's breaking her parole or violating her parole she gets back on a plane to L .A. to make this happen.

[1148] Once she's in L .A., Robert Blake is like, give the baby to the nanny for the day.

[1149] Let's go out to lunch.

[1150] And when they're out to lunch, two cops walk up and go, you're in violation of your parole in Arkansas.

[1151] You're under arrest.

[1152] Stop it.

[1153] And take her away.

[1154] Robert Blake's like, don't worry about it.

[1155] I'll take care of the baby.

[1156] We've got it covered.

[1157] Those two cops bring her, they don't arrest her.

[1158] They bring her to the airport and put her on a plane.

[1159] No. Back to Arkansas.

[1160] He tricked her?

[1161] Yeah, they tricked her.

[1162] So it turned out those two guys weren't cops.

[1163] No. They were two friends of Robert Blake's.

[1164] And the entire time it was his plan to get custody of that little girl.

[1165] Oh, my God.

[1166] So basically he's got the baby.

[1167] his grown daughter is like keeping the baby at her house and he just basically sent her back and was like trying to get rid of her so she realizes the whole thing was a scam she's furious she threatens to file kidnapping charges against him so they start to work on a deal because she's like I will I will like throw the book at you and the deal is she agrees to drop the charges if he'll marry her Shut up Uh -huh So they That's the most romantic thing I've ever heard in my life This is Remember the story you told About the guy writing the girl's name On the thing This is better Sending it to a planet Can you imagine if a man So how'd you guys meet What if you're like So how'd you invent me?

[1168] Well I tricked him I threatened him With kidnapping charges He retaliated of course And then And then I made him Sign a piece of paper That said But in the end You were meant to be.

[1169] He didn't love me. And I'm never alone with him because I'm scared of him.

[1170] What the fuck?

[1171] So crazy.

[1172] So in this pre -up, they're basically, it was like she was allowed to see the baby once a month and to see Robert Blake once a month.

[1173] That's the agreement.

[1174] It was the exchange.

[1175] He will marry you if you sign this pre -nup.

[1176] But what does she get out of it then?

[1177] If she doesn't even get to be with her baby, she didn't care about her baby.

[1178] Well, she does, but she, there's nothing she can do because she was in violation of parole.

[1179] Okay.

[1180] And they've already kind of got that.

[1181] So, So it's kind of the only way she can see the baby, still be in a life, and still get the things she ultimately has always wanted, which is to be married to a celebrity.

[1182] Oh, man, that feels, I'm going to move out of L .A. right now.

[1183] This town is bad feelings wall to wall.

[1184] Galore.

[1185] Good night.

[1186] I mean, anyone who comes here has bad intentions.

[1187] Or is going to have a bad time.

[1188] Right.

[1189] Or better get bad intentions or you're going to get screwed.

[1190] Screw before you get screwed.

[1191] that's for sure yeah um yeah just real good feeling place it's it's the reason that people come here try to do something and then they're like oh no you know what i'm now an evangelical question yeah because i've or a scientologist or a scientologist or i'm going to be so vegan that i try to kill you like it's people just have to they have to reassess their entire life they like need a thing to focus on otherwise they'll focus on the horrible how they're nothing or they'll buy themselves a billboard like it's the kind of town where you feel like you're so nothing for so long that you're like I'm just going to buy a billboard it's the only way I can break through it's just it's a nightmare so anyway I like it here though I mean no I love it I'm pretty happy okay it's really gorgeous we're having a great time and guys we get to do a show at the or fium in two days oh my god that's amazing she signs this pre -up that basically gives her almost nothing um they marry in November number of 2000.

[1192] I wish I could have been at that fucking ceremony.

[1193] I bet there was rose petals and love galore.

[1194] Everywhere.

[1195] It's just like scattered.

[1196] You just use the word galore and I think I might never stop using the word galore.

[1197] It's so fun to say.

[1198] It's of that time.

[1199] It feels of this era.

[1200] Yes.

[1201] And I mean like, you know, it's 2000, but like this fucking thing.

[1202] Yeah.

[1203] Six months later, when her probation ends in Arkansas, she officially, moves to LA.

[1204] She moves into the guest house on his property.

[1205] Not into his house.

[1206] Her husband's house.

[1207] She moves into the guest house and they never share the same house.

[1208] They only ever set it up like that.

[1209] So it's not a real...

[1210] Yeah, I don't get it.

[1211] It's very strange.

[1212] So then this all leads up.

[1213] Now we are up to May 4th of 2001 when Robert Blake asks Bonnie if she would like to go out to dinner.

[1214] Do they ever go like on dates or anything like that?

[1215] Do we know?

[1216] It doesn't sound like it.

[1217] Yeah.

[1218] Uh, no. It sounds like a real bummer, man. It sounds like the most toxic relationship and the most codependent bad intentions from every direction.

[1219] Also, it's that thing of like, if you are, if you get together with a guy and then the only way you can see staying in his life is tricking him into thinking he's fathered your child.

[1220] Uh -huh.

[1221] I'd go back to square what go back to that jazz bar and pick somebody else or start you know what go back even further start it go to therapy yeah start there ask some questions so then when you get to the jazz bar you pick a you know good kind person yeah you maybe drop some of that whatever happened to you in junior high um drop drop some of that my first marriage was when I was 15 see see if you can start a new yeah none of this is going to is helping anybody uh or constructive in any way.

[1222] So they go to dinner.

[1223] He says, I want to take you to Vitello's.

[1224] She's like, hell yes.

[1225] Yeah, I love fucking dusty, fake grapes.

[1226] I love red sauce.

[1227] I love melted mozzarella on, you know, pottery.

[1228] Box Kianti, favorite.

[1229] What's that wine, the one that's so funny?

[1230] Shabli.

[1231] Oh, Vin Rose.

[1232] That's what my grandma used to order.

[1233] Oh, my God.

[1234] I'll have a Vin Rose.

[1235] She had a weird Newark accent Because she was from San Francisco Okay, so they go to dinner I just had a recovered memory There used to be a stand -up show at Vitello's No Yeah, this was like late 90s Those are kind of things I would be like Sure, I'll do that show and I would show up And I'd be like, I'm not doing this This is humiliating I'm not going to drink in the corner You can have the opera guy take my staff Oh no Okay.

[1236] So Robert Blake tells Bonnie that he's brought his nine millimeter pistol with him to dinner because of all the unscrupulous business that she's involved in and for her safety.

[1237] I'm sure she's like, sounds great.

[1238] I'll have the breadsticks.

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] And she ordered the breadsticks.

[1241] Just breadsticks.

[1242] Sounds fucking great.

[1243] You know, when you're trying to be ladylike on a day.

[1244] Yeah, you're on a diet.

[1245] I'll just get seven breadsticks.

[1246] Can I just have the breadsticks?

[1247] And a pitcher of iced tea.

[1248] God, I love Vitellos.

[1249] So they leave the restaurant at 924, and between 924 and 924, Bonnie Lee Bakely is shot in Robert Blake's car in the parking lot of Vitello's.

[1250] So they get into the car and then he goes, sorry, I left my gun in the restaurant.

[1251] be right back and goes back into the restaurant to get his gun that he says he left in the booth.

[1252] Great.

[1253] There are no witnesses from the restaurant that say he went back into the restaurant.

[1254] No one saw him go in and get his gun.

[1255] But while he claims, and his alibi is that when he, while she was getting shot outside, he was inside getting his gun.

[1256] But nobody saw him.

[1257] No one saw him.

[1258] But it's the perfect alibi because it's like, well, I was inside with my gun.

[1259] Just say you went inside to pee.

[1260] Like, why did he have to introduce the gun part?

[1261] I guess to cover the fact that that's where his gun was, like make it real clear that...

[1262] Oh, he didn't even have his gun on him.

[1263] Yeah, the gun wasn't anywhere but in the restaurant.

[1264] But then why didn't he actually do that and wave at everyone with the gun?

[1265] Hi, guys.

[1266] So they all said they saw him waving with the gun.

[1267] You know what I mean?

[1268] Yeah, I don't know.

[1269] Listen, I'm a master fucking criminal criminal.

[1270] I mean, would that have helped?

[1271] Be like, hey, guys, you know, thanks again.

[1272] Bye.

[1273] Oh, shit.

[1274] My wife just got shot.

[1275] This one's for the opera singer.

[1276] or chew into the ceiling.

[1277] I'm sorry, I'm making light of this.

[1278] No, no, no. I mean, what we're making light of is the plan.

[1279] The whole, what we're making light of is life and how fucking stupid it is.

[1280] And also how Hollywood makes you think you can do things you shouldn't and can't do.

[1281] But if fucking money and acquittal, the TV show, Rich and acquitted, has shown us anything.

[1282] It's true.

[1283] It is true.

[1284] It's why people want it so badly is because it gets you to a place.

[1285] I was right, rich and acquitted.

[1286] It gets you to a place where you are untouchable.

[1287] And that's what everybody wants.

[1288] That's real power.

[1289] I want to be touchable.

[1290] Oh, do you?

[1291] I don't want to be untouchable.

[1292] I think you're silky soft and totally touchable.

[1293] Thank you.

[1294] Baby soft.

[1295] Thank you.

[1296] So at 940, Robert Blake rings the doorbell of a neighbor of Vitello's.

[1297] Why?

[1298] Because he went there to call 911 to the neighbors.

[1299] Right, right, right.

[1300] screaming going fucking berserk and the neighbor is it's a guy named sean stanick it's his house he goes there to his house to call 911 when he leaves and the cops go to like go to the crime scene he he calls he waits a little while then he calls police again and he asked them to come and look through his house because he he thinks robert blake might have hid something there while he was there.

[1301] He says his behavior was so strange and over the top and bizarre and he was screaming and being super crazy about my wife, my wife, whatever, that he was like, I don't, I just want you guys to come and look.

[1302] I feel like he did something and I didn't catch it, which I think is amazing and such a cool move where it's like, could I just invite you guys back real quick?

[1303] He didn't even try to look for it himself.

[1304] He was just like, something's fucking off and I am not putting my fingerprints on it.

[1305] No. Get the authorities in here.

[1306] Absolutely.

[1307] Asap.

[1308] Well done.

[1309] Sean Stanick.

[1310] So, and other neighbors in the neighborhood were like, yeah, he was just running around screaming and like, and like just so clearly presented like, I'm freaking out.

[1311] But a little vaudevillian and over the top.

[1312] Sure.

[1313] Play it to the back.

[1314] What do you guys go?

[1315] Yeah, exactly.

[1316] Played to the back row.

[1317] Yeah.

[1318] So, uh, so police are like, well, this is strange because again, no witnesses actually saw him go into Vitello's the second time.

[1319] And he, he, He also, Bonnie had a cell phone and was always on her cell phone.

[1320] She was like, as we know, for her recorded messages of session, she was a big phone person, always had her phone on her phone on call 911, right there at the car, and he didn't do it.

[1321] Okay.

[1322] He also, he was taken in for questioning after, like, they all left the scene.

[1323] So Bonnie was shot twice.

[1324] In the car, she was in the car.

[1325] She was sitting in the car, in the passenger.

[1326] She shot through the window, blood all in the car.

[1327] She was taken, the ambulance came and she was taking the hospital, but she died at the hospital.

[1328] Robert Blake was taken in for questioning by the detectives, never asked how she was.

[1329] No. Mm -hmm.

[1330] So they were like, yeah, the couple of these things aren't adding up in a big way.

[1331] They do the gun residue on his hands test inconclusive.

[1332] They end up, which is super brilliant.

[1333] idea and like you know for 2000s pretty advanced there's a dumpster that the car is parked right next to and instead of going through the dumpster there they just take the entire dumpster back to like the forensics lab or whatever and go through every piece of garbage piece by piece so smart to find yeah to find anything and they end up finding this uh it's a nine millimeter it's a very rare world war two german officer's gun that's a P -38, 9 -millimeter pistol.

[1334] No idea.

[1335] But when they find it, it's covered in motor oil, so they can't get any fingerprints off of it or even do any ballistics on it.

[1336] It's just completely ruined.

[1337] They think intentionally.

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] I wonder if that was a fucking plot line in an episode of Beretta.

[1340] They should have fucking looked that up, man. That's a fucking genius idea.

[1341] Is Double Jeopardy still a thing?

[1342] Bring him back.

[1343] Bring him on back.

[1344] that is such a good idea I wonder if anybody looked up all the episodes of Beretta and just been like this person did this this person this was the plan sure okay the next day he he lawyers up immediately of course and the next day is when the lawyer starts releasing the phone call tapes of Bonnie starts talking trashing her like he had a whole basically kind of like a media thing ready but it's nothing to do with it well it's it's what it is like they were trying to build the case that that she had enemies all across the nation that she had she had conned men all over the place and there were lots of people that that were her enemy not just Robert Blake so as bad and contentious and horrible and loveless and nightmarish as this marriage was that she had just entered into she still he wasn't perhaps wasn't the only suspect that should have been looked at right right right okay Um, she, and they find out that they start, like, when they start listening to these phone calls, they start finding these old men all around the country that they, they thought she was his, that they thought she was their wife.

[1345] No. They, um, they thought they were married.

[1346] They, but she was married to lots of people.

[1347] Shut up.

[1348] She got married a lot.

[1349] And she would take out life insurance policies on them.

[1350] And she also had them change their will to include.

[1351] her in.

[1352] Stop it.

[1353] Yeah, that happened.

[1354] That was a couple of them.

[1355] Now, this also, this was in, Rich and acquitted, but this also was all the information that the lawyer's just like, anybody to listen to it, they'll tell that story.

[1356] One person theorized that she had been married over 25 times.

[1357] Holy shit.

[1358] But the provable amount, she was married nine times for sure.

[1359] Oh, my God.

[1360] Yeah.

[1361] Um, okay.

[1362] So, uh, so at some point, like in the, in this process, says Robert Blake fires that of initial lawyer and he hires Thomas Mezzaro.

[1363] You've seen him on tons of true crime things.

[1364] He has strange like a little Dutch boy hair, uh, but gray.

[1365] Okay.

[1366] It makes very little sense.

[1367] And he's the guy that defended Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson.

[1368] So you've seen him on the news.

[1369] Okay, sure, sure.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] Um, and, and so it, he hires that guy.

[1372] Then he hires media consultants.

[1373] Um, to start the story spin, and they get him on Barbara Walters.

[1374] So from jail, in his orange jumpsuit, with his hair now turned white, he isn't dying his hair black anymore, like he had up until that time, that was like a big thing.

[1375] And they say he did it for sympathy or whatever, but from jail, she's like, did you kill your wife?

[1376] And he's like, no, of course I didn't.

[1377] He's like, as if he's irritated with Barbara Walters.

[1378] Overdoing it a little.

[1379] For even a, yeah, he's, there's a touch of Lily Gilding.

[1380] But we can't tell if that's just how he is Because he's a child actor He's never had a normal life Yeah Like you just don't know He ends up Eventually he ends up going free On a million dollars bail A million dollars Rich Rich acquitted Rich and bailed So Is that their theme song?

[1381] Rich rich rich rich And acquittin Okay So then the trial starts on December 20th 2004 at good old fucking Ventura Courthouse.

[1382] I mean sorry Van Ice Courthouse.

[1383] Fuck yeah.

[1384] That's how it all ties back in.

[1385] Love it.

[1386] Now now that I'm thinking at it, I know the pre -trial was at the Van Ice Courthouse.

[1387] I don't know if the actual trial.

[1388] Who cares?

[1389] Let's go with it.

[1390] So there's two different stuntmen who come testify that Robert Blake solicited them to kill his wife months before the actual murder one of them they can prove he talked to on the phone the morning of the murder robert but in cross -examination he gets this mezzaro ends up um uh resigning from the case whatever that's called get leaving it quitting quitting i guess quitting is the word i was looking worse um you're welcome he leaves he gets a blake gets a third lawyer and always a sign when you have to keep fucking getting it.

[1391] Look at Ted Bundy, for example.

[1392] It's not good.

[1393] No. You're not an agreeable individual.

[1394] They hate you.

[1395] Yeah, they hate your guts.

[1396] They can't even, like, they're lawyers and they can't even fucking deal with you.

[1397] They can't deal.

[1398] They don't have to be around you that much.

[1399] And they're just like, what the fuck is wrong with you.

[1400] Just do what I tell you and everything will be fine.

[1401] No, no, no, no. I'm a rock and roll actor.

[1402] I'm smart.

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] Okay.

[1405] So the new, uh, lawyer is basically just like, well, I'm just going to eviscerate any of these witnesses who even, because there's so little evidence that they have to like so the two stuntmen that come and say oh yeah he asked us to kill his wife one of them they pull up a report that he had recently been hospitalized for cocaine psychosis oh no what's that it's just like you do so much cocaine you fucking lose your mind how much cocaine i mean i'd say nights worth maybe two nights worth all right interesting it's like you just you started and you don't stop oh my god and then you just fucking go berser your mind okay So that comes out on one guy.

[1406] So then he just, like, because all of his credibility is done.

[1407] And they basically do the same thing to the second guy.

[1408] They're just like, oh, you're both these drug addicts.

[1409] You're both these, you know, whoever, you'd say anything for money.

[1410] You'd say anything.

[1411] Sure.

[1412] So basically, once they get rid of those two people, there's no real evidence that they, that's, that's usable in court.

[1413] So the jury deliberates for 12 days on March 16th.

[1414] 12 days.

[1415] 2005, Robert Blake was found not guilty.

[1416] of murder and not guilty of one of the two counts of solicitation of murder straight up not guilty not even like not guilty yeah sorry going not guilty no that's fine um the the other count of solicitation of the of the guy the cocaine psychosis guy um that was dropped when it was revealed that the jury was deadlocked 11 to 1 in favor of acquittal so they were going to go for it anyway yeah and they're just basically like forget that one and he's just going free erase that one off the whiteboard yeah they're just like oh you're rich you're acquitted the los angeles this is from ocapedia well los angeles los angeles district attorney stephen coolly called blake quote a miserable human being and the jurors are quote incredibly stupid to fall for the defense's claims there's one woman in this special rich and acquitted where she goes of course i believe that mr blake would left his gun inside a restaurant haven't we all left things inside restaurants at one time or another it's just like lady it's a fucking gun oh my it's not your lipstick it's not your fucking retainer that you put in the cloth napkin cost your parents $300 they were so pissed in Mimi's cafe in Irvine so basically the public consensus was that he hired someone to kill his wife and it's just unprovable right but a lot of there were lots of character witnesses that were like no he's the best and he would never do that um and of course there was no evidence so okay go on uh on the night of his acquittal several fans celebrated at patello's um and karen kilgariff was one of them and i was up there singing opera just like this on november 18th 2005 it's not opera it's not what yes it is that was verity um i love opera everything straight out your nose in opera this is the barber of seville but if you're singing about opera it's opera you don't have to sing opera that's right this is a musical about singing opera there's no actual opera in it i'm out here and i'm wearing a viking hair nasal a lady are please um guys on november 18th 2005 Robert Blake was found liable in a California civil court for her wrongful death.

[1417] Civil court will always fucking come at you.

[1418] They'll come back and they'll be like, hey, we see things a little bit differently.

[1419] We forgot to talk about the fucking O .J. Simpson.

[1420] No, we'll talk about it next time.

[1421] Go on.

[1422] Okay.

[1423] So.

[1424] Sorry.

[1425] No, no, that's fine.

[1426] So since that time he had to file for bankruptcy, he's in $3 million in debt, unpaid legal fees, as well as state and federal taxes.

[1427] um he said that he might return to acting because he has such financial problems now like he's like we're good bro yeah we're like we got we got it covered barretta we're going to hire the parrot instead um in 2010 state of california filed a tax lien against blake for a million and a hundred thousand dollars that's one million one hundred and ten thousand dollars in unpaid back taxes ouch it hurts uh now this is a very famous interview he was on he went on july 16th 2012 he went on pierce morgan and he's wearing a sleeveless cowboy shirt and a cow black cowboy shirt and then a cowboy hat no no don't and he is gax so crazy you have to look it up on youtube it's an experience to have and he just starts attacking pierce morgan for asking him any questions at all and pierce morgan's like yeah but this is what we came here for is like the interview and he snaps and is super fucking crazy.

[1428] Oh, I want to watch it.

[1429] You have to watch it.

[1430] It's a, it's pretty legendary.

[1431] He told the people that were writing his autobiography that he hoped for one last great film role, but the but he was in Lost Highway David Lynch movie in 1997 and that to date is his last acting role.

[1432] Wow.

[1433] In a March 2016, this is one of the saddest end not saddest but like one of the most like oh endings of any of the murders that I've done in 2016 March 2016 he told a reporter that he had a private nurse and that he was suffering suffering from incontinence and that my friend is the is this sad ending of the murder of Bonnie Lee Bakely oh my god and the rich acquitted experience of actor Robert Blake that's that's right now he's 85 he's still alive he's still alive that i think he remarried for a third time um someone married him again of course it's the fucking this is a townful of people who want their own billboard so they'll do anything he gets to be 85 but fucking uh Stephen hawking is what was he like 73 look such bullshit i wish i could explain god's work i wish you could too it's a mystery this is just how he does it um next time we have to talk about the oj if i did it that they finally oh thank you that was amazing that was oh no no you're welcome that was so i don't want to call it fun but it was a wild ride you know who he's always reminded me of is the dude the dad from the staircase um like just creepy in that way yes whatever there's definitely an energy about him that you're, but you can't tell actors are so creepy.

[1434] They're so creepy.

[1435] That it's like, it's that, yeah.

[1436] It's like, who are, is this really real you or is there another real you?

[1437] Are you acting or do you never know how to not be acting?

[1438] Right.

[1439] And you just think feelings are a weird mess to put on so you can manipulate people.

[1440] Right.

[1441] Like instead of actually having a real time experience.

[1442] It's like, here's how feelings look like and sound like.

[1443] Oh, Italy.

[1444] I love this place.

[1445] My gun.

[1446] Abundanza, everybody.

[1447] Pizza for one.

[1448] Type of shit.

[1449] They got a ringtone immediately.

[1450] Steven, turn that into a fucking ringtone.

[1451] How great was that?

[1452] I was laughing out loud at the opera musical riff.

[1453] The opera musical, it doesn't have any opera in it.

[1454] So that was my favorite Karen story.

[1455] Thank you so much for letting me share my love of MFM with you.

[1456] For my plugs, if you're looking for a new podcast mini -series, I'm in a new six -parter called Unravel the Stalker's Web, where we tracked down the most prolific cyberstalker in history.

[1457] He's been stalking people for 30 years.

[1458] It's terrifying.

[1459] He has over 50 victims.

[1460] And me and Paul Holes on Jensen & Holes, The Murder Squad, have a special episode on Monday about the case that was our late friend, Michelle McNamara's call to adventure, the unsolved murder of Kathy Lombardo.

[1461] So you can check those out.

[1462] And again, thank you so much for listening.

[1463] Keep digging.

[1464] stay sexy and don't get murdered.

[1465] Elvis, do you want a cookie?