50 - The Golden Anniversary Episode

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Are you, get it out now.

[17] Are you, oh, they're not supposed to know about your pre -show cry.

[18] Hello everybody I wish you guys knew what a nightmare it was From when Karen got here in my apartment Until we started recording I just asked for an eight minute sob Before we start Just to get it out Yeah It's better Is it For me This is my favorite murder That's right That's Karen That's Georgia That's startup There's nothing worse than when we do it correctly I feel like there's It feels terrible to do it right.

[19] Well, this isn't that kind of podcast.

[20] Like, this isn't that, this isn't, there's no second takes.

[21] Although, I have to say, I would love if Stephen could ever get his act together for a little bit of, just a little bit of intro music.

[22] Can we please?

[23] Wouldn't it be fun?

[24] Just play, like, your theme song, like, out loud in the apartment?

[25] Yeah, or, yes, you could do that.

[26] Or if you got a keyboard, throw it over to the Basanova, rhythm.

[27] Yeah.

[28] Get us pumped.

[29] Get us a little, just a little like talking intro music.

[30] Like loud enough that it's over the crying, over Karen's sobbing so that like I can ignore it.

[31] I wind the sobbing out slowly and you intro the.

[32] And that way I don't accidentally introduce a different podcast.

[33] That's a good idea.

[34] Well, I mean, or whatever comes out.

[35] What if you just have it as the whatever comes out allowance.

[36] That reminds me. Oh.

[37] What are we going to call our tour?

[38] So we have to name it?

[39] We don't, but I think it'd be funny to have just a bunch of ideas of names and like never settle on one.

[40] Okay, well then my first idea is Monsters of Rock.

[41] What's your first idea?

[42] The F -word murder mystery tour.

[43] Great.

[44] Then I'm going to have to fucking give a cut to someone's dad, whoever made up that name.

[45] We're all angry this episode.

[46] We could also do It's just we could call ourselves the gin blossoms.

[47] I'm all minor band jokes.

[48] It's not good.

[49] Should we do?

[50] No. Yeah, I guess we don't need one.

[51] I mean, I would have a signed behind us like at the show.

[52] Nope.

[53] Who's going to make it?

[54] Not it.

[55] Who's going to hang it?

[56] Who's going to hang it or make it?

[57] Stephen just raise his hand.

[58] We're just going to keep piling shit on you that you have to fucking do.

[59] What if we call it?

[60] at Steven's Piles Tour.

[61] The Piles of Stephen.

[62] What's that mean?

[63] It's just Piles of Shady Yes to Do Tour.

[64] Oh, I get it, I got, yeah, I get, yeah.

[65] It's called...

[66] I like that you immediately lost track of what was happening.

[67] Piles, but, like, I was thinking, like, Gomer Piles.

[68] So I was thinking you're calling Stephen Piles, like Gomer Piles.

[69] Oh, yeah, I know.

[70] No. No. Great.

[71] What if we cancel the tour?

[72] Because this is such a problem.

[73] And it can't be solved.

[74] Cool.

[75] What if we call it the dry shampoo tour?

[76] Because I swear to God, I planned on bathing before I came here.

[77] But I didn't.

[78] I was doing other stuff.

[79] This is a safe place to not bathe.

[80] Oh, my God.

[81] But the amount of dry shampoo I've started depending on it lately.

[82] Do you use it too?

[83] Yes.

[84] And your hair looks full and it looks like you look like a mod, like a mod model.

[85] Oh.

[86] Like, it's full and bounty, and I fucking love it.

[87] Oh, okay.

[88] Thank you.

[89] It's great.

[90] I'm going to start doing that then.

[91] I also think I might need more layers.

[92] It's not.

[93] We should not be taken place.

[94] I love it.

[95] I love it here right now.

[96] Thanks.

[97] Yeah.

[98] So, um, oh, you guys loved the year end guy, Brennam's spectacular episode.

[99] Yes.

[100] Thanks for all your positive feedback on that.

[101] Yeah.

[102] We're going to definitely have him back on.

[103] I don't love that it was one of your favorites because I'm sorry.

[104] What have we been doing this fucking 50 episodes?

[105] Hey, look.

[106] Uh, we get it.

[107] Yeah.

[108] Yeah, we get it.

[109] We get it.

[110] You like when there's someone else talking to us.

[111] Anyone else.

[112] Anyone else who has correct information.

[113] Look, fine.

[114] We'll do it.

[115] Then we'll fine.

[116] We'll be fucking smart then.

[117] And we'll do it.

[118] Watch this.

[119] Watch how much you don't enjoy this.

[120] I'm going to name every state and every Roman numeral right now.

[121] Um, I can kick off a corrections corner by saying yes.

[122] The Sandra Bullock movie is two weeks notice.

[123] And yes, I said it was called six weeks notice while claiming to be her number one fan.

[124] Two weeks is not enough.

[125] I feel like six weeks I feel like is the legal amount.

[126] I'm sorry.

[127] Six weeks, like, I'm sorry.

[128] I'm sorry.

[129] Two weeks is like me getting fired from being a secretary.

[130] You know what I mean?

[131] Like, but six weeks is like when you're a fucking lawyer like Sandra Bollock was.

[132] You're a professional.

[133] Thank you.

[134] Right.

[135] Was she?

[136] She was a lawyer.

[137] Don't even know that.

[138] Very good.

[139] I just felt like the movie took so long.

[140] It couldn't have been two weeks.

[141] that she, when she gave them.

[142] Do you really like that movie, like, legitimately?

[143] Oh, yes, I'll watch it every time.

[144] I know you will, but, like, is it like a, you know it's a bad movie watch?

[145] Nope.

[146] It's not a bad movie.

[147] Hugh Grant and Sandra Bullock are equal parts.

[148] He's the British version.

[149] They're the equal person of themselves.

[150] They're the mirror reflection of each other.

[151] They're like riffy yet real, and they're kind of like mumbly, bumbley, but they're playing brother and sister in this episode.

[152] No, they're attracted to each other.

[153] Yeah, but they're playing brother and sister.

[154] Which is the part I like.

[155] It's a real Game of Thrones situation.

[156] And yet there's a corporate element to it, which I also love.

[157] It just bums me out.

[158] I see movies like that and I'm like, oh, what if you had to fucking live your life by working in an office every fucking day?

[159] You know, the part that I love in that movie, and there's details like this that always stick out to me, you can tell when either the person that wrote the movie or Sandra Bullock herself, there's a part where she orders Chinese food.

[160] You're like, this isn't how...

[161] It's just not how people...

[162] Like, the idea is that she's going to totally binge on Chinese food, but it's way too much Chinese food.

[163] Like, you already get a ton of Chinese food when you just get four or five things.

[164] Like, we know, here's what you get.

[165] You get a poultry and you get...

[166] Maybe get a shrimp, and then you get a noodle or a rice.

[167] Yes, and maybe some, like, um, the egg rolls because you want a crunchy thing.

[168] Yes, that's it.

[169] The first thing that you need.

[170] But, yeah, four things entree, and maybe you're going to add the fifth.

[171] Yeah.

[172] In this thing, she sits on that phone.

[173] No. And she just keeps ordering dishes.

[174] And it's like, now I believe that you've never eaten anything besides like an apple and a cup of yogurt.

[175] Because you've never allowed yourself to have Chinese food.

[176] That's a scene in it.

[177] Like, here's how bum she is.

[178] I'm pregnant.

[179] Is that a little bit?

[180] It's a, no, but it's just her thing.

[181] It's like to show that she's so down to earth.

[182] She's a normal girl.

[183] She orders like enough Chinese food for seven Chinese families.

[184] And they usually have four children.

[185] It's one of those things where it's like, and people tweet this all the time.

[186] time like I ordered Chinese and they brought and it was just for me and they brought eight utensils because that's how much I ordered.

[187] Like I'm such a pig.

[188] I'm cute.

[189] You know, and you're like, fucking shut up.

[190] Like there's that, um, there's this amazing Instagram that I'm obsessed with and I don't know exactly what it's called, but it's basically called you didn't eat that.

[191] And it's these photos of models and like actresses that are like opening their mouth and putting a food thing near it and taking a photo of it.

[192] But like you didn't eat that.

[193] That's right.

[194] Everyone knows.

[195] It's always a carb.

[196] Like it's always like, a big burger.

[197] I'm going to dance with this bowl of spaghetti.

[198] Yeah.

[199] But you've never actually had that in your mouth.

[200] I'm going to dance with this bowl of spaghetti.

[201] Oh my God.

[202] If you want to take a bath and one food product, what would it be?

[203] Because a spaghetti, a bowl of spaghetti sounds great.

[204] Yeah, I think spaghetti and Parmesan cheese mixed together.

[205] With olive oil.

[206] And you just slip right into that.

[207] Dude, that sounds, what is wrong with you?

[208] That sounds so nice, isn't it?

[209] That sounds so relaxing.

[210] Oh, you just...

[211] After giving your six weeks notice, you just get into that bathroom.

[212] maybe order some Chinese door dash some Chinese postmates it straight into the bathroom we're not this isn't a commercial by the way oh no you didn't slip into a commercial nope not at all oh we also need music before the commercials because the commercials are becoming so chatty it's not fair tell we're not trying to do that we're not like this isn't you guys know that we don't know anything about like editing and fucking engineering and being sneaky and like talking about states clearly here's the other mistake I made okay When we were talking with Guy about legal shit and we were talking about the murder of Harvey Milk, I had to pop pipe up and say, and I think you said something like, yeah, he was murdered by his co -worker and another politician.

[213] And I said, that's right, Dan Brown.

[214] The person that murdered Harvey Milk was Dan White.

[215] Dan Brown is the international bestselling author of the Da Vinci Code.

[216] And he absolutely did not kill Harvey.

[217] Karen's hurting rumors is my favorite new corner.

[218] This is the gossip corner now.

[219] Did you know?

[220] But did Guy or Georgia myself?

[221] Not a - Correct you.

[222] Not a beat.

[223] Nope.

[224] No one even heard it.

[225] Because here's the thing.

[226] We're allowed to say whatever the fuck we want.

[227] This is our podcast.

[228] If you want a factual podcast, go to what you've missed in facts.

[229] You know what?

[230] We're cutting edge because like this whole thing of like there is no reality anymore.

[231] Oh my God.

[232] We've been doing that since last year.

[233] This isn't happening.

[234] You know that.

[235] I also feel it's funny that you, like, I get fucking everything wrong, but you're the one who has corrections corner.

[236] So clearly, I'm just like, I don't care.

[237] I don't care.

[238] Oh, if you're a bitch enough to fucking tell me what I got wrong, then that sucks.

[239] But I also think it's hilarious to get, like, when we get shit wrong.

[240] I do too.

[241] There's people, though, I accidentally stumbled on this email.

[242] And I can't remember.

[243] I was trying to find, do you ever do that thing where.

[244] you start an email and then you have to go check something else this happens to me on my phone all the time i start to write an email and then i have to go check and i'm like giving the person i'm writing it to someone else's email and i want to double check to make sure i don't give him the wrong email yeah so i leave the email so i hit save draft but then i can't find it in my drafts holder it's not there then i'm like did i send that email oh my god and then i'm like and then what if i go back in do you start it again and then resend another email I'm so scared I fucking punched my microphone in the face.

[245] This is something that I actually went through recently.

[246] Do you do that?

[247] I mean, I have done it once, once before where now I'm scared to death.

[248] It's that idea of is it in drafts or did you just send it?

[249] It saves it itself so you can just close it.

[250] But sometimes my phone doesn't update quick enough.

[251] So it's like it just updated, but it really didn't.

[252] Do you know what I do, which could be a mistake, is I start to type in their email address in the email I'm writing and it comes up.

[253] Oh, like you're going to CC them.

[254] Like you're ceasing them and you, but then don't forget to be like, oh, yeah, that cut.

[255] Here's her email.

[256] And then you like, you find it by ccing them.

[257] And then you're like, oh, shit.

[258] That'd be the best.

[259] You're, you're talking shit about a person that you're also giving their email to the person.

[260] Yeah, but you shouldn't hire her on anything, but she's a stupid fucking bitch.

[261] But, like, she's going to fuck everyone on that crew.

[262] Wait, why was I even citing that example?

[263] Mistakes.

[264] made it's called my life what was it there was a reason i was saying that steven rewind six weeks no no that wasn't that stephen you're too far back put the phone put that microphone down let's just on a phone what if steven's not like a pay phone in the corner oh Jesus microphones are going everywhere today Stephen can you get some better fucking props are these props well we're about I'm moving and so this is about to all be like I'm kind of sad.

[265] This is our like setup.

[266] We need like, we need a video of this.

[267] I won't be sad when it's like March and you have full AC.

[268] People are like in other parts of the country, like March is cold.

[269] Nope.

[270] No. Not here in fucking global warming town where we're going to, we're going to have an episode live from the pool.

[271] I'm going to fucking be living near.

[272] Nice.

[273] We're going to play tennis and record at the same time.

[274] Not me. No. We're going to have, I don't how to play tennis.

[275] Um, we're going to sit on hardwood floor.

[276] Yes.

[277] Everything about, I can't.

[278] So yeah, we'll let you know, but, um, we need a photo of like this.

[279] If Vince comes home, drunk, we'll have him take a photo of us right here.

[280] The day that I haven't bathed.

[281] You look great.

[282] You're out of your GD.

[283] Mine.

[284] Um, what I, what's, you had one more corner.

[285] Oh, it was my, the thing that I, that happened over Christmas, my good story that I didn't tell you the whole thing.

[286] of so at my aunt joe's house um now my family knows that i have a a podcast of murder many are excited about it some don't like it and told me right to my face which is fun gut god fuck yourself um um um but my lovely aunt joe said well wait did you know that marty had a hand in the arrest of the night stalker my cousin martin the oldest of all the cousins I'm sorry who was the San Francisco policeman fuck our fireman who was a cop in San Francisco for many years he's now retired was he had just started he was like just on the force he was basically a beat cop and there was a burglary in the marina and so they went in and while they were looking at the place that had been burgled they found a set of fingerprints And so they called the forensic team, whatever it's called.

[287] He told me this story on the phone, actually, because I was texting him of like, how could you never have told me this?

[288] What in the fucking fuck?

[289] And he was like, we never talk.

[290] You're the most, you're always in Los Angeles.

[291] Stop using me for crime.

[292] And then I was like, too bad, tell me the story.

[293] I'm sorry, you've been boring the whole time.

[294] I've known you.

[295] Now suddenly you're interesting.

[296] No, this is, these are the, all my cousins are fun.

[297] But he tells me, so they find.

[298] a fingerprint on the window sill.

[299] They call the guy, the team to come and get it.

[300] And then that fingerprint leads to the identification of Richard Ramirez.

[301] Dude.

[302] Because, so you know how he started in L .A., then he went up to San Francisco, then he went back down to L .A. Okay.

[303] So, when he was in San Francisco, that fingerprint basically helped identify him.

[304] Holy shit.

[305] And my cousin Marty was one of the two cops that were there.

[306] They had that technology then where they could, like, send fingerprints to places?

[307] I guess so.

[308] I mean.

[309] It was like the late 90, it was the late 80s.

[310] Yeah.

[311] I think it was 89.

[312] Like fax machines were in their prime.

[313] They faxed over the request.

[314] That's so cool.

[315] It was super exciting to me. And I go, why didn't you ever tell me this?

[316] And he goes, no one's ever asked me about this.

[317] You need a couple people.

[318] Talked about it.

[319] Yeah.

[320] That's what I said.

[321] And the interesting thing he said was that in that break -in, uh, Richard Ramirez stole a couple things.

[322] from this you know the marina's like super nice part of san francisco um there was a girl sleeping downstairs and he didn't know thank fucking god and he didn't go downstairs if he had gone downstairs she would be dead and also was my favorite stories i know she she never even knew he was there so she was like the luckiest and um also while he while he while richard ramirez was in San Francisco, there was my cousin, my cousin Marty's daughter, Kathleen told me this, because she said she's always been scared to pull her car into a garage.

[323] Yes, where you have to walk out of it.

[324] Well, she's like, anytime I, there's a garage, I immediately, like, turn off the engine, but immediately close the door.

[325] Well, they have those garages that don't have doors where you have to pull into them and then walk back out the garage door.

[326] And those are very scary.

[327] Very scary.

[328] So she's like super paranoid.

[329] of anything similar to that because when Richard Ramirez was in San Francisco there was a woman who got out of her car and he was standing in the front of the garage thing and he shot her and the bullet was deflected by her keys.

[330] Oh my God.

[331] And she survived.

[332] Last night a key chain safe by life.

[333] Come on, no. Don't.

[334] Don't.

[335] No, you don't.

[336] Elvis just stopped touching me when I said that.

[337] Elvis was like, how do you?

[338] That's the stupidest thing about it was a mom so anyway that was that was Christmas night I got to hear all these stories and it was it made me so proud um uh to be a Kilgariff it was exciting I'm proud of it is his last name Kilgarov yeah that's fucking awesome dude Marty Kilgariff then my cousin and then Mike is the sheriff Sheriff Kilgariff yeah that's real oh my god my brother was an usher at a movie theater when he was in high school and so he was Ashra the Usher Asher the Usher see dreams come true Oh, everything's fine.

[339] Everything's going to be okay in 2017.

[340] Well, my second cousin wrote Pink Cadillac, so there we go.

[341] The Bruce Springsteen song?

[342] Was it?

[343] Yeah.

[344] Pink Cadillac.

[345] Muddy, baby, ludic.

[346] Yeah.

[347] He wrote that.

[348] That's awesome.

[349] He's in the Bay Area, too.

[350] That's very cool.

[351] Whatever twins.

[352] Well, thanks for tuning in.

[353] This is called Family Victories with Karen and Georgia.

[354] This is called We're Not Losers.

[355] We have family or successful Someone's doing something My Favorite Murder .com has all This isn't the end of the show, but No You know, we're about to get into some heavy fucking shit Right I don't know So yeah, so take this information with you There's a website We have a website Is there anything?

[356] I feel like I just I should do something where I write stuff down When I think of it throughout the week and then talk to you about it.

[357] Like make a list.

[358] Yep.

[359] Put it out.

[360] Before we get started with the murders, just happy 50th episode.

[361] Oh my God.

[362] Is this it?

[363] Yeah, this is episode 50.

[364] Steven.

[365] You mentioned it earlier and I was like, and then just like passed by and I was like, wait, really?

[366] No, I was like, that can't be right.

[367] Yeah, this is episode 50.

[368] You're hired.

[369] Holy shit.

[370] Isn't that great?

[371] And then the first episode, I think, aired January 15th.

[372] Yeah.

[373] I found the very first Instagram account, or Instagram photo on my, on my Instagram that says, like, hey, Karen, I started a podcast.

[374] I'm going to listen to it.

[375] I'm going to post it on the 15th.

[376] But that's, that's crazy.

[377] It's been almost a full year.

[378] Holy shit.

[379] And 50 episodes.

[380] Yeah, 50 episodes.

[381] That means our live show at the Orthfeum is going to be like, it's the 17th?

[382] Someone needs to know that.

[383] It's the 20.

[384] My Favorite Murder .com.

[385] Yeah.

[386] Go ahead and visit that website.

[387] Oh my God, it's our 50th.

[388] Isn't it the 28th?

[389] There's a 24th.

[390] No, it's sooner.

[391] Steven.

[392] This is why we hired you.

[393] This is the market edit.

[394] Wow.

[395] Congratulations.

[396] Thanks.

[397] Congratulations to you, too.

[398] Thank you.

[399] I feel like it's not that hard to make 50 podcasts.

[400] I'm sorry.

[401] Oh, I'm sorry.

[402] Fucking kidding me?

[403] That's great.

[404] I mean, it's great because it's doing well and it's not sad.

[405] Yep.

[406] God bless America Who's going first Karen can't Well we just yeah What It's just good It's cool It's good Okay Yeah Am I going first Wait what's the date of the orfam show It's the 21st No None of those guesses were right Do you know Vince and I recently Had to look at the inscription Inside of his Wedding ring To remember what day we got married on When your anniversary And we were both wrong that is inscription is smart that's a good idea yeah thank god we did that because we were both like the six it was like i think it was a four and it was a fifth so we're awesome yeah um Stephen part of your new job that we're hiring you for is that you need to remember who went first last time uh guy brandon went first last year right that's right no one went first new year new year fresh start all right Karen, you know I'm all about vintage shopping.

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[425] Goodbye.

[426] Hey, this is exciting.

[427] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[428] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[429] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[430] Who killed Saz?

[431] And were they really after Charles?

[432] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[433] This season, murder hits close to home.

[434] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[435] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[436] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[437] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[438] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[439] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Who.

[440] Lou.

[441] Goodbye.

[442] Rock paper, scissors?

[443] That's right.

[444] One, two, three hit?

[445] Yeah.

[446] One, two, three.

[447] One, two, three.

[448] I go first.

[449] All right.

[450] First we got scissors and then I got paper and she got rock.

[451] Just guys.

[452] For those watching at home.

[453] Yep.

[454] For those who have to know.

[455] All right.

[456] Well, this one is like, I didn't want to do this one because I feel like, well, everyone, like, I do this a lot where it's like, well, I've an obsession.

[457] since I was a kid, so I'm like, everyone knows this thing, but people keep asking us to do it, and it's fucking fascinating, and there's information that one doesn't know about.

[458] So I'm like, I got into it, and I got really into it.

[459] Okay, cool.

[460] So this is the Taman Shood.

[461] Oh, yes.

[462] The Somerset Man. We have just talked about this, but we haven't gone into detail.

[463] Right.

[464] So there's some really interesting info about it.

[465] So when I get through the beginning.

[466] And have you solved it?

[467] I've solved it.

[468] Oh, great.

[469] Okay.

[470] Well, of course, I, I in my head have solved it.

[471] You know exactly what.

[472] Okay.

[473] Okay.

[474] Um, so on the morning of December 1st, 1948, a man's body is found on Somerton Beach, which is in Australia.

[475] It's near Adelaide, which is like, fucking has the best serial killers.

[476] Uh, he, the dead man is, is leaned up against, uh, a wall.

[477] He's on the beach, leaned up against a wall.

[478] He's wearing a suit and tie.

[479] He's well dressed.

[480] There's an unlit cigarette on, resting on his collar as if he was just like about to smoke and then it fell out of his mouth when he died you know so his feet are crossed there's no signs of struggle or distress and people walking by had seen him and thought he was just drunk he was like propped up that way um he had no identification on him what he had on him was an unused rail ticket or a bus ticket a comb gum cigarettes and a scrap of paper with the phrase taman shud it's it's hard to find out exactly how to say this tam and shud spell it t a m a s u a s hud it's it's it's not okay it means finished in persian okay um and the labels had been clipped from his clothing so the autopsy doesn't find a cause of death but notes that he was in his 40s he had a fit physique and that they said that he had strong and high calf muscles as if he were a dancer just like me all right but you can tell those things supposedly so they take his railway ticket and they find his suitcase at the train station and they know it's his because a spool of thread inside the case matches the thread that he had used to repair one of his pockets And in the suitcases, a shaving kit, clothes, and a coat with stitching that was specific to U .S. tailoring.

[481] So they thought he was from the U .S. Also, he had Riggley's juicy fruit gum.

[482] Oh, that's American.

[483] What if this whole time this had just been an ad for Riggly juicy for gum?

[484] And they're like, you can't tell it apart anymore.

[485] And only American men chewed it back then.

[486] Australian men didn't.

[487] So, okay, so the paper, the Tom and Shude was torn out of a poetry book, a Persian poetry book that was extremely rare.

[488] and local librarians identified the phrase as the very last two words.

[489] It's the Rubayat of Omar Kayam.

[490] It's a book of poems from the 12th century by a Persian poet.

[491] And the theme of this book is that one should live their life to the fullest and have no regrets when it ends.

[492] Hey, feciman.

[493] And the very last line, it's almost like saying the end, was Tom and Shude, which is finished.

[494] And for some fucking reason that was in his pocket.

[495] Okay.

[496] So a dude comes forward and says that he had actually found this book in the backseat of his car around the same time and around the same place.

[497] Like someone had tossed this book into the backseat of his car.

[498] And it had those two last words ripped out of it.

[499] And in the book that the guy had found were a bunch of lines that were code.

[500] It seemed to code.

[501] They didn't make any sense, but they're all capital letters, and the letters all kind of seem like how English words would start.

[502] So the theory is that the Summerton man was poisoned.

[503] There was no trace of poison found in a system, but the pathologist who performed the autopsy said that his spleen had grown to three times its normal size and that his liver was damaged.

[504] And he said, quote, I am convinced the death could not have been natural.

[505] And he said, the poison I suggested was a barbiturate or a soluble hypnotic, which is sleeping pills.

[506] But no foreign substance was found in his body, but most of these barbiturates, like, kind of go away within a couple days.

[507] So it seems like he was poison, but there was no poison actually found in his body.

[508] And then codebreakers have tried to solve the code that's in the actual book.

[509] And, like, okay, so there's these, like, a bunch of letters.

[510] and they think it stands for it's time to move south it's time to move to south australia moseley street which is like so stupid and i think that they just made up like it sounds ridiculous the letters are i t t m t and they came up with it that way to mostly you're just saying it seems like they're just reaching for something that it could mean yes but however however however there's also a phone number, an unlisted phone number in the book.

[511] And it belongs to a former army nurse who lives on Mosley Street.

[512] Oh, it's not so stupid.

[513] Maybe.

[514] Well, maybe they knew that afterwards and made that up because that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[515] Okay.

[516] Why?

[517] I don't know.

[518] It's just like, let's all.

[519] Well, because is it because it's like the secret code and then all it says is like a place?

[520] It's like not even that interesting.

[521] Yeah.

[522] Or it's time to move to South Australia of Mosley Street.

[523] Why would anyone need to code that.

[524] Well, maybe it doesn't mean what it sounds like it means.

[525] Like, maybe it's code within code where it's like, move means something is sinister.

[526] Okay.

[527] So the down the street from where he dies is Moseley Street, where it's a five -minute walk to where the person whose phone number where she lives.

[528] Her name is Joe Thompson, and she lives on Moseley Street.

[529] She, when the cops go there, she's like, I don't know who he is.

[530] But actually, I gave that exact book to Lieutenant Alfred Boxall who she had served with.

[531] So she doesn't know who this person is.

[532] There's this fucking rare book of poems that she had given to someone she had served with in World War II.

[533] And you don't just give a person a book of poems.

[534] No, no, no. They were probably voting.

[535] Right.

[536] I mean, that's not, you're not like, oh, here's the ruby at.

[537] Yeah.

[538] see you later pal no i gave everyone a copy of fucking hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy that i fall in love with no no i don't poems i mean i've done it but i don't poems are a big deal yeah if someone gives you a book of poems they're into you and it's like it's a rare book of beautiful poems yeah she spent like 40 bucks at a bookstore for sure yeah yeah so she's like i don't know who that is but my book sounds familiar i gave it to this dude and so they they're like well this dude must be the Somerset man but then he turns up in 49 and he still has his copy of his book and it's intact so it's not him but he has a copy of the book like you know him okay so could he sorry could he just as a cover have gotten a second copy or like what if it was just like they show a photo of it it's like duct taped into the fucking last page of the book he just like just really shitty with crayon, and it's like written in crayon.

[539] It is finished, exclamation point.

[540] Yes, totally yes, what you're saying.

[541] So people started to speculate that Lieutenant Boxall was working for the military intelligence at the time, and maybe the Somerton man was a Soviet spy, and he was poisoned by Boxall or some other agent.

[542] So he went to visit this woman who had given this man a copy of the book, and they were all spies and maybe you know it's like it's really interesting okay but boxall himself dismisses a quote as it's quite a melodramatic thesis say that in australian voice i don't i can't oh it's i can't no they always sound like everything goes up at the end they no matter what they're saying they sound like they're kind of excited even when they're that's why i was listening i told you i was listening to case file over the break when i drove to san francisco oh it's great and to listen to somebody very seriously talk about murder but have their inclin the intonating go up at the end is so enjoyable to me. Because it's like an exclamation mark at the end of every sentence.

[543] Yeah, just kind of sounds like everything's all right, even though it's murder.

[544] Do you know what happened over the...

[545] I forgot to tell you this.

[546] At New Year's Eve, I was at Jodores' house, and there was an Australian girl there who was from Adelaide, and I was like, I did the thing of, you guys have great murders.

[547] And she was, she wasn't like, yeah, here's one I remember.

[548] She was like, oh.

[549] Ugh.

[550] I know.

[551] Bye.

[552] She was very sweet, but Like, Australia has the best murders.

[553] Like, tell me about them.

[554] And one million of them.

[555] And one of them just got a, she didn't know about the fucking serial killer murder who just got solved.

[556] The, uh, that's, I just, case file guy just told me about that.

[557] Oh shit, we forgot to talk about detective, new detectives.

[558] And we'll talk about it at the end.

[559] Okay.

[560] That'll be our thing.

[561] It's not new detectives either.

[562] It's real detective.

[563] I know.

[564] I know.

[565] The truth is, it's the Claremont killer.

[566] Yes.

[567] Yes.

[568] They just, like, she didn't know about that.

[569] Right.

[570] Which I know is like asking someone in Texas if they know about the murder and, okay.

[571] It's just why don't you care?

[572] It's just like get involved.

[573] Get involved in the intense serial killing that's happening in your community.

[574] Like murder is fun.

[575] Wait, hold on though.

[576] What?

[577] Is Claremont anywhere near Adelaide?

[578] I think so.

[579] I mean.

[580] Perth.

[581] It's near Perth.

[582] Which has some fucking cool murders.

[583] But are Perth and Adelaide even in any way?

[584] Don't care.

[585] If we found out, if we found out that a fucking serial killer, like we did recently, had been caught finally in fucking queen, or not Queens, but like somewhere, you know, what's a far away place?

[586] What's a far away place?

[587] Wisconsin.

[588] O 'Nida, New York.

[589] There you go.

[590] We would know and be fucking interested because it's fucking interesting.

[591] It's true.

[592] I'm sorry.

[593] But like, don't come at me. I'm sorry.

[594] I'm sorry, but don't come at me with, oh, really well also if you're at a party and look we've talked about this 80 ,000 times what else is there to talk about we were all bored there's nothing to do we were all like I mean look it was awkward she was the only one I didn't know anyone so I was trying to be nice and like get to know her yes like I was doing and she was a sweet and I was like oh cool like I was trying to fucking include her in the conversation know the difference between talking about murder and attempted murder you're not coming at her you're just trying to make small talk there were knives so close I could have killed her if I wanted and guess what I didn't and you should have this is why we became friends at a party yeah okay so what's going on Stephen over here oh no Perth is near Claremont they're like right next to you're right so Perth but Adelaide but Adelaide is on like the other side it's near Texas where we'd have still known about a fucking serial killer getting caught Adelaide is right by Texas Am I wrong?

[595] But it's like, it's Texas.

[596] They have their own Adelaide.

[597] Okay.

[598] All right.

[599] So in 2009, speaking of University of Adelaide professor Derek Abbott, who's like this dude who's like the dude.

[600] Like, who's obsessed with this now.

[601] Like nowadays, he's the guy.

[602] Cool.

[603] You know what I mean?

[604] And he's a professor.

[605] That'll help.

[606] Yeah.

[607] He's a professor at the University of Adelaide.

[608] And he's like, I'm going to solve this.

[609] Which sometimes is like bad because you're like tunnel vision.

[610] but it's still interesting.

[611] Still, get into it.

[612] So Derek Abbott thinks that the key to the code is in the actual book that they found.

[613] But the addition that was near on the Somerset Man is so rare that they can't find it, a copy of that to like know if it matches stuff.

[614] Like, you know, when they change chapters and they change wording and they change the translation later, like we can't find a book that that's old enough to like, match up to this book, which is cool.

[615] Like, it could be, I don't know.

[616] It could be in there, but it's not in the ones that we can buy, which I'm like, can you imagine going to fucking use bookstore and finding that book and like, right, and also, like, put on an APB of like, does anybody have the rubyot look of your grandma's library send, please send.

[617] So you know, the rubia, you fucking know about this.

[618] What?

[619] The rubyot.

[620] Like, that was amazing that you, I didn't know what it was called.

[621] Oh, oh, oh.

[622] Yeah.

[623] It's all knowledge that doesn't help me in any way.

[624] Except for on your podcast.

[625] Oh, hi.

[626] I'm sorry, except for on your career podcast.

[627] Where was I?

[628] Okay, so the original autopsy report, guess what?

[629] It's lost.

[630] They always get lost.

[631] The government won't exume the body.

[632] And Abbott's trying really hard to get them to exume the body for DNA testing.

[633] What's the problem?

[634] Well, that they won't do it.

[635] Yeah.

[636] Because they think, they don't think it'll catch a. murderer.

[637] That's their thing.

[638] It's like, if there will be clues to a murderer, they'll exhume it.

[639] But if it's just to figure out some mysterious clue, they won't do it.

[640] But, okay.

[641] Which is like, it's got to be expensive to exhum a body, right?

[642] Yes, and I understand that they don't want to disturb.

[643] It's, that's, there's a whole thing, but like, you know, okay, I see that.

[644] Can I go on record and say, disturb the shit out of my body if there's some fucking mysterious clue that needs to be solved?

[645] Oh, I'll dig.

[646] you up so fast claw me out call me i'm gonna have a note tape to my body i'm not gonna tell you what it is i'm gonna get you one of those um plots where you can just it's never fully buried like you can just keep bringing the body up on a little elevator do you know about how they used to there were so many um there were so many bodies that got buried that were still alive at a certain point that they started burying people with bells yes right yes so that if the bell there was a bell in the coffin that went up to the surface surface so there if you were fucking buried alive you would ding it but then so many people would start decomposing with their finger in the bell because they put it in there and the gases would move shit around and the food ding the bell how creepy would that be to like be the night fucking monitor and just be like ding ding ding ding ding everything like which one's real which one's not now this was around that time this is like 1800s 17 1800s pot to be yeah yeah We're like, everything was just so creepy back then.

[647] Yeah.

[648] Everything's creepy.

[649] It was like, it was always night.

[650] Yes.

[651] It was always night.

[652] Women always had black lace males over their faces.

[653] Plagues everywhere.

[654] Dead children.

[655] Piles of dead children.

[656] Oh my God.

[657] Like you expect your kids to die.

[658] You're alive.

[659] You'd be like, hey, let's call you Timmy.

[660] Who really knows?

[661] I'm going to farm you out to this rich couple to be their serving.

[662] Goodbye.

[663] Bye.

[664] Yeah.

[665] Okay.

[666] Good luck.

[667] Fuck.

[668] So dark.

[669] Everything sucks.

[670] But it's the best, but it sucks.

[671] You know what I mean?

[672] Autopsy report is lost.

[673] Okay, all right, cool.

[674] So, Abbot notices, like, in the photos of the Somerset Man, he notices a couple things about him that are strange.

[675] One is that his upper ear, like this part right here that I'm pointing at that you can't see on the podcast, is strangely shaped.

[676] And the formation is, is shared by less than 2 % of Caucasians.

[677] So the upper lobe of the ear is larger than a lower lobe of the ear, which is rare.

[678] Okay.

[679] Less than 2%.

[680] Do you ever do that thing where you know ears are really the thing, the identifier with people?

[681] Like when you, you know when they always have that thing was like, is Nicholas Cage a time traveler?

[682] Here's a picture of him from Civil War.

[683] Those ears don't match.

[684] And you can like immediately, if you see and you think could these two people be the same, check the ears first.

[685] Or like a little, like a kid corpse.

[686] that like it went missing and like there's a the photo of the kid and there's a photo of his body and they're like well his ear doesn't stick out that's it they look exactly the same yeah fuck dude that's cool although i know a guy in high school who got fucking tape my ears back surgery oh yeah oh that's true is that sad no but that was not now they don't do that now although they guess they could if they like kidnapped a kid and like fix his ears well i mean you'd have to yeah there's so many possibilities in this life I know, I love that.

[687] Okay, so he looks at the body, and he is like, here are the ears, these are wrong.

[688] And also, he had a condition in which the, so these certain teeth are missing in the front so that your incisors, your pointy guys, are right next to your two front teeth.

[689] Yeah.

[690] Instead of having a buffer.

[691] Yep.

[692] Right?

[693] So it's just like fang.

[694] And it's, again, less than 2 % of the population have this.

[695] and I think it's hereditary.

[696] So they don't prove anything.

[697] Was this guy a chimpanzee?

[698] You might have been.

[699] Well, okay.

[700] Yeah.

[701] Oh my God.

[702] Karen just solved it.

[703] He was a shaved chimpanzee of a suit.

[704] I just needed to think about it for a little while.

[705] There was a carnival in town.

[706] Karen, like, you fucking did it.

[707] Okay.

[708] They don't prove anything on their own.

[709] But so, but Derek Abbott examines photos of the, of the son of the woman whose phone number is in the book.

[710] who claims to have nothing to do with him, her fucking kid, Robin, has those same fucking abnormalities.

[711] Both, your auntie?

[712] Both.

[713] And in addition to that, guess what he does for a fucking living?

[714] He's a ballerina.

[715] Yep.

[716] Are you kidding?

[717] I'm not fucking kidding.

[718] Okay.

[719] Blown mind, am I wrong?

[720] What is she doing?

[721] Why won't she be honest?

[722] Because something went wrong because maybe she was a spy.

[723] And so was he.

[724] And he came back around and was like, what's up?

[725] I'm here in town.

[726] Because he was in town for, like, he came into town.

[727] Like, they had bus tickets and in the suitcase thing that showed that he was just fucking visiting.

[728] So he came into town for her.

[729] If you believe these theories.

[730] Yes.

[731] So he came into town to confront her or to see her or to fucking threaten her or to fucking blackmail her or whatever.

[732] Or to make her a nice dinner.

[733] Yeah.

[734] And she was like, I don't, I don't want dinner.

[735] I'm going to put poison in your food.

[736] Whoa.

[737] Something.

[738] Oh, yeah, because he was poison.

[739] And it could have been her.

[740] That's why she's lying.

[741] It doesn't come up ever in any, any web page that you find.

[742] But in my mind, yeah, it could have fucking been her.

[743] She's in the mix.

[744] She's in up in that mix.

[745] Okay.

[746] So his daughter, so her daughter, her son, Robin, who they think is the kid, passes away in 2009.

[747] and his daughter, Kate, is on 60 Minutes in 2013 saying that his grandma had fucking known this dude, the Summerton man, and that they both might have been spies.

[748] And she had no evidence of that, but she also said that she thought that this guy was her dad's father.

[749] Huh?

[750] Yeah, like she, the granddaughter believes it.

[751] The best, like, I love this part of the story.

[752] Maybe I should save it.

[753] It's like a really, okay.

[754] for what next to me?

[755] I don't know it's just cute no for the end because it makes it less sad oh oh okay yeah I'm going to save it okay so so they're trying to get Australian government to exhum the body they won't fucking do it he looks British in parents he's his age he's in good physical I don't know this is all like they're saying there's no reason to do it yeah it maybe he wasn't murdered the thing is that the kid was a fucking ballet dancer and the original autopsy said he had great calves and looked like a fucking dally dancer, which is like, and those two other fucking things, come on.

[756] Please.

[757] So, let's see.

[758] I didn't edit this as well as I should have.

[759] Okay.

[760] Okay.

[761] So they're now trying to test the DNA of the daughter of this woman, or I mean, the granddaughter of this woman, but they don't have the DNA of the Summerton man. So, but they think that they're related.

[762] okay so the DNA was anything of him do you know they made a bust of his face and you can go online and see a really I think one of an amazing fucking autopsy face photo there's like post -mortem like photo and to me I mean this is so stupid I've always thought he looks like my grandfather who was a Eastern European immigrant like I've always thought he looks like that so maybe he was a spy for fucking Germany in World War II but But who now's?

[763] So, oh, so in the bus they made of him, there's some hairs left, but I don't think they can get the DNA out of it.

[764] So that's why they're trying to exhume him, but they test the DNA of the granddaughter.

[765] And it turns out that, uh, that she might be related to like Thomas Jefferson, which if it is, if he is related, he's from America.

[766] Oh, okay.

[767] So didn't we know that from the juicy fruit?

[768] Yeah, we thought that.

[769] But also, it's interesting because if they find someone who is related and they have an uncle who disappeared, then we'll fucking know who it is.

[770] You know what I mean?

[771] Which is really cool.

[772] They believe she had an affair.

[773] Maybe they were spies.

[774] Maybe they weren't.

[775] But the fucking best part of this whole story.

[776] So that's what, that's basically what it is.

[777] We don't know that I, the last news story I can get from this is from October of 2016.

[778] Oh.

[779] And it says they're testing the DNA and this and the doctor who seems really fucking cool named Fitzpatrick.

[780] Her last name, it's a she, her name is Fitzpatrick is going to do a whole thing about it and she never did.

[781] I can't find it.

[782] But, so, the granddaughter Kate and Derek Abbott, who's trying to find the DNA and the story of this.

[783] The professor.

[784] Got married.

[785] Yes.

[786] Had three babies.

[787] Bell in love.

[788] What?

[789] How cute is that?

[790] What if he's just using her?

[791] He's not.

[792] For DNA.

[793] Every night.

[794] She's like, I just, I have these dreams of my cheek being swabbed What?

[795] No, I just like Q -tips.

[796] I love plucking your hair, darling.

[797] I mean, who hasn't had a boyfriend who wants to pluck your hair?

[798] Am I wrong?

[799] Everybody's got to do that.

[800] Yeah, and there's always a bowl in the toilet that catches your peeve.

[801] It's just the thing.

[802] It's standard.

[803] That's actually very sweet.

[804] So like he goes to, like, he goes there to like fucking find out what's going on.

[805] I'm going to interview the granddaughter.

[806] And she's like, here's his information.

[807] I believe it too.

[808] And then they make out.

[809] And then they're just like in the stacks trying to find, pull files and stuff.

[810] How cute is that?

[811] Oh, my God.

[812] It's precious.

[813] That's like the best.

[814] Like, that's so, you'd read a book about that and you'd be like, come on.

[815] Shut up.

[816] Well, also because everything else about this case is so frustrating.

[817] First of all, are we sure we haven't done this before?

[818] Because I feel like all of that was so familiar.

[819] We've talked about it.

[820] We've talked about it.

[821] I know I listened to it on thinking sideways.

[822] Yes.

[823] For sure.

[824] That's why I didn't want to do it is it's, it's, it's.

[825] This thing happened, like, okay, I want to say, like, when Jamie Lee was on the live episode, she did a story that I think is fascinating that I would never do because I feel like we need to do stories that nobody knows about.

[826] I disagree.

[827] I know.

[828] I know.

[829] And I agree with that.

[830] And when Jamie said she was going to do it, the audience fucking cheered.

[831] And I was like, oh, we can actually do stories that people know about.

[832] Totally.

[833] I know.

[834] I totally know.

[835] Totally.

[836] So when I found that out, I was like.

[837] But then me just saying this right now is like convincing you otherwise, basically.

[838] No, you're correct.

[839] Oh.

[840] I totally think you're correct.

[841] No, I mean, me saying it sounds familiar.

[842] No. I mean, I did John Bonnet.

[843] Like, I can do this.

[844] So, yeah.

[845] So, yeah, I just, what was the point?

[846] Oh, yeah.

[847] So we've heard about it.

[848] You and I have heard about it.

[849] I said to Vince, have you ever heard about this case?

[850] And he was like, no. No. So, also, it's so vague.

[851] It's like, so a dead guy is there.

[852] And he's got these weird items on him.

[853] And he may be this and he may be that.

[854] But he might just be a dead guy.

[855] Dude.

[856] That, like, there's, you.

[857] Like a lot of things have been painted on like he could be a spy and it could be this and it could be that could be just a dead guy.

[858] They didn't find poison in his body.

[859] Right.

[860] He could have killed himself.

[861] Yeah.

[862] He sprained himself out one night.

[863] Just spleened out.

[864] You need to spleen yourself.

[865] You better spleen yourself to me right now.

[866] Splain yourself.

[867] No, it's one of those stories that I think everyone knows the first three paragraphs of from like Snopes or whatever or from fucking Reddit.

[868] but the like weird details of it and the people like this guy who are still trying to fucking figure it out who I think are going to be disappointed when they find out well also I think it's the fear I think the interest is everyone has the fear what if for some reason you died and no one could figure out who you were that's so cool sad weird thing that would be oh I think it's cool yeah I think it to me like in it sounds like what's it's true that he impregnated this woman he came to confront her somehow who knows how he knew her why she said she didn't know him those things are suspicious suspicious to me whatever happened was a bummer and he went and killed himself or drank himself to death or some fucking thing and died there and she it's just weird that she wouldn't admit to knowing him maybe she didn't want scandal of being pregnant out of wedlock.

[869] I don't know.

[870] It's fascinating.

[871] Also, why was she given poetry books to other people?

[872] Yes, she's slottin it up.

[873] No, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

[874] I didn't mean that.

[875] I will never slut shame.

[876] Like, I'm proud of her for doing that.

[877] But this is all theory.

[878] This is all theory.

[879] I mean, why were his tags cut out of his clothes?

[880] Why was there no, you know, letter he had started in his suitcase?

[881] It's another thing.

[882] he and I have in common is often if I get a blouse and it says it has the letter L, I'll fucking cut that letter out.

[883] You don't want an L or a 12 sticking out.

[884] Every once in a while you get like insecure where you go to a nice wedding and everyone's like, I love your dress.

[885] Where did you get it?

[886] And you're like, not forever 21.

[887] Certainly not the gap outlet.

[888] Nope.

[889] That's for sure.

[890] I didn't get it there.

[891] So you cut it out.

[892] Yeah.

[893] So maybe his shit was like big and tall and he was like, I don't want anyone to want fat.

[894] He was a big fat ballerina.

[895] who is super insecure with a huge spleen and a smoking problem who just wanted to hang out by the beach.

[896] Oh, honey.

[897] The summer, Somerton man. What's the actual name of it?

[898] The name of the whole case is the Tom and Shood.

[899] But his, he's being called the what man?

[900] Somerton man. Summerton man. Because that's the beach he was found on.

[901] Somerton Beach.

[902] And I feel like if I ever did a corrections corner, I'd have a lot of them for next fucking week.

[903] Hey, come on over to the corner.

[904] we have a great time over here yeah welcome cares um all right do you want to hear mine absolutely mine's weird this week and this is the one i've been working on for so many weeks and i never i can never figure out how to put it together it's like such a long ted bunny involved thing no no it's weird okay um it's the baguan shri rajneesh and the rajneesh porum community that they set up in central Oregon in the early 80s.

[905] I know some of those words.

[906] All right.

[907] Let me walk you through it.

[908] Oh, my God, I'm excited.

[909] And it's not, there's not an actual murder.

[910] It's attempted murder.

[911] But the whole thing is so crazy.

[912] And it's a story, it's a new story.

[913] I remember standing in front of the TV watching and listening to my parents get super weirded out.

[914] Because essentially what happened was this.

[915] So the Bhagwan.

[916] Rajneesh was born in 1931 as Chandra Mohan Jain J -A -I -N and he began his career as a philosophy professor in India and in the 60s he traveled throughout India as a public speaker and he was a critic of socialism, he was a critic of Gandhi and institutionalized religions, he often spoke against Jesus calling him both a salesman and a madman.

[917] And he transitioned from professor to guru when he noticed there's a lot of money to be made off of unhappy wealthy Westerners that would come to India searching for spiritual meaning in their lives.

[918] Amen.

[919] So he soon he built a thriving enterprise with his lectures and group therapies.

[920] He was pro materialism.

[921] What?

[922] Yeah.

[923] He was the change it up guru.

[924] So he was pro much.

[925] I just see the meme of him like sitting on fire and it just that change it up with his big weird eyes he was pro -materialism he was I said anti -organized religion and he was an advocate for a more open attitude toward human sexuality he was he was I mean if he could only see Tumblr today he would be so proud of the leaps and bounds To me that's him saying you have to fuck me well that's exactly right well he got he became known as the sex guru in the press which his argument was I've written two books on human sexuality and 38 books on meditation, but you call me the sex guru, because he was all about how Westerners were so puritanical and stuffy.

[926] He's kind of never just fucking watched Bob's burgers and drank the awesome wine, which is like sometimes better than sex.

[927] I mean, it could be argued.

[928] But he was doing things like he was getting his little groups together, and then suddenly the idea was maybe you're so, you're so, you're so, pent up about your sex that maybe people need to have sex in front of me so that we all stop being so pent up about sex it's basically this this whole thing is the study in um you know ultimate power corrupts up absolute power corrupts absolutely get it wrong beautiful words it's the easiest saying to remember because it's the same words at the beginning of the end and I still got it wrong absolute power corrupts absolutely so also he had millions of and unpaid taxes.

[929] So he had to get the fuck out of India.

[930] How did he have money to begin with?

[931] Because he was charging all these people to come and be in his classes and workshops and listen to him giving these speeches, learn how to meditate.

[932] Yoga hadn't been a thing yet.

[933] So they were learning about yoga.

[934] It was like the secret, you know, amazing practice.

[935] How cool would it be to like, for like, I have a couple thousand bucks, but to be millions in fucking debt, like you are living your best life.

[936] Hell's yes.

[937] You know what I say?

[938] Yeah, because you're beyond.

[939] Yeah, you're not like, you don't live in a fucking hovel.

[940] No, no, not at all.

[941] I want to owe millions.

[942] You will someday.

[943] Thank you.

[944] So what they did was they decide they're going to leave India and come to America.

[945] And so the plan is that he's going to build a utopian city for himself and 2 ,000 of his followers in South Central Oregon.

[946] Yes, it makes perfect sense to me too.

[947] Well, so it's not, South Central Oregon is empty.

[948] They were basically three hours east of Salem, east and south of Salem.

[949] So they were in this kind of central valley that was super empty.

[950] It was just a bunch of branches.

[951] And a lot of the ranches had fallen into disrepair.

[952] So it was almost like a desert -ish situation because they had just like overgrazed the fields and stuff like that was all very brown and kind of shitty.

[953] oh yeah so thanks guys right so they move in and the plan was they were going to build housing compounds warehouses and support buildings so that their business enterprises that were once based in india could move um to south central oregon and they initially applied for a permit to build housing for 90 people um but soon they they moved there and the numbers were in the hundreds immediately and And when he arrived, the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh, he came to America and he was on a three, he was doing a three years silent, I don't know, meditation or whatever.

[954] He wasn't talking.

[955] And so his voice was a woman named Ma Anand, Sheila.

[956] Her real name was Sheila Patel.

[957] She came from a very wealthy family in India.

[958] Yeah, and she was kind of like his right -hand man. And so she made the deal to buy the big muddy ranch right outside of Antelope in Oregon.

[959] And she was soft -spoken and charming, and she hosted a dance in the nearby town of Madras, where cowboys partied until dawn.

[960] She curried favor buying 50 head of cattle from the Waskow County Commissioner, even though the commune was vegetarian.

[961] You know, she was like making deals, kissing babies, and she basically closed the deal so that they could build their farming commune.

[962] But what she didn't know was that Oregon had very strict state zoning laws that really limited how many people and buildings could be erected onto ranch land based on the amount.

[963] So as this development grew, they kept having to apply for more building permits.

[964] And, And they kept going to, um, the politicians and saying, oh, you know, we're just a, we're just a farming commune, but we need, um, more living quarters for the workers because this is, there's so much abused range land that we need, um, more people to help us fix it.

[965] And, uh, the problem was that they were basically a bunch of rich, like college educated, well off kind of, kind of.

[966] like it was pre yuppie it was early yuppie it was like post hippie pre yuppie yeah they were the people they were the people that eventually became yuppies that were like oh we don't have to live on the commune we can just go to yoga classes but at that time they were kind of like they had the hangover from the 60s of like the whole hippie thing had fallen apart and then the Vietnam War bummed everybody out and that's why a lot of people went to India in the first place to be like what the fuck is life like what is anybody doing suddenly taxes were for them were fucking nothing what do you mean like they had Reagan so taxes were rich oh right nothing and they were doing things like yeah they had they were rich so they would sell their Porsche and send their money to the ranch and then go live there and they didn't they just worked for free so it was like they were giving all their materialistic stuff they were like well I'm going to help out.

[967] And that's going to make me feel better spiritually.

[968] And then they can kind of escape like the structured world of taxes and having a job and all that stuff.

[969] They're going to put their whole life into this commune.

[970] With the safety net of knowing that they could fucking leave it at any point if they wanted to.

[971] Yeah.

[972] Because their parents still live in a really nice house in like Marina Delray or whatever.

[973] They all had to wear red, pink, red or maroon clothing.

[974] And when they joined up, like this was the change.

[975] they would I can't I can't there's a word for it joining up is not it but like they would go through like something and then initiation it's like an initiation the Bagua Sri Rajneesh would put a mandala around their neck which is a beaded wooden necklace that would have a big picture of them of him on the on it and so they were like all the so all these people wearing red with these wooden bead necklaces suddenly start showing up in central Oregon and if you've ever.

[976] than to anywhere like this or even central California.

[977] It's like a little strip of Arkansas right here on the West Coast.

[978] Like it's very farm.

[979] It's very Republican.

[980] It's very conservative.

[981] It's people who live far away from other people.

[982] They like things their way.

[983] And they don't want a bunch of fucking weirdo rich hippies in red clothing coming into their town 30, 40, 80 at a time.

[984] And that's exactly what was happening.

[985] so it's kind of awesome because and they were all wearing red so and like with shit in their hair and like and they weren't it wasn't a hippie thing like they weren't like drugged out and like hey free peace love they were kind of like trying to trying to take over a little bit did you see did you watch the leftovers i did like the first i'd say the first seven episodes of like the people in the white clothing that were like the smoking yeah yes it sounds like that to me yeah which is so creepy where they kind of like When you see, there's tons of great documentaries about this whole thing and there's great footage.

[986] But there is a lot of that, like, there's a little of the leftover, like dancing in Golden Gate Park, like, ecstatic dancing and group kind of hangouts and stuff.

[987] But it's so much more, there's so much more of a business aspect.

[988] You can tell that they're trying to monetize spirituality.

[989] Well, the difference between a 70s cult and an 80s cult is probably so fucking different.

[990] yeah for sure and this one had that thing of like they just started showing up in droves and freaking locals out badly sure and in their weird red clothing and they were kind of like even the the one documentary i was watching the guy who now was probably in his like late 60s 70s gray hair like clearly not in it anymore but was so they were just aggressive because they were just so quick to be like well you you were racist or you were against our religion or you were anti you know, you were xenophobic or whatever.

[991] It's like, yeah, maybe, except for that if you were starting a commune with 90 people, that's one thing.

[992] Yeah.

[993] But basically, it, they ended up having 2 ,000 followers on this ranch.

[994] And you infiltrated the town.

[995] They infiltrated a town, Antelope and Madras, where they're like kind of their two closest towns.

[996] And so basically what happened is instead of it being a small commune, they turned into this big thing and they had to keep going to the city and applying for more permits and more permits and saying, we need it for this we need oh sorry we didn't realize and we just need it for this and so the city had to start going no like this is crazy with you this this land is not zoned for you guys to start a city essentially and at first they were trying to be they didn't want to come off as like hicks and like people who are like against outsiders they didn't want to come off bad also them coming there they actually did the thing that they were saying they were building they built a dam they brought the water table up like the whole the entire valley that they lived in became bright green when you see these it's kind of amazing these helicopter shots of the area and it's like bright green and they have like they started organic farming so it's like kind of a mass organic farming where somebody in this documentary was saying once they had everything built up and there was like a main street and there was there was a mall they had a mall they had restaurants oh my god they would give tours to locals like you can come and see what we're doing we're not like trying to be hide anything that in that around central Oregon they'd be like the only good place to eat is it as Rajneesh Puram was the name of the town or you know would eventually they tried to make into a town people would go there to eat because it was like really good organic food it was kind of like the original the original farm to table situation, but they were doing it with this it was a culty version of it, essentially because they still did, you know, and he also the Bhagwan Tree Rajneesh would just come out and sit there, but he wasn't talking.

[997] So he wasn't like preaching or saying anything to anybody.

[998] They would like, and sometimes he just wouldn't come out at all.

[999] Like so he, when he first got there, he would make appearances, but then after a while he just wasn't doing it and basically there was just a bunch of people like manual labor farming and doing shit for free and dedicating their whole life to like building up this what eventually was becoming a city that's what I was thinking is I bet the locals would be so much more stoked if you are bringing in jobs but you're not you're just higher you know everyone who just is a fucking cult member is doing it for you the people it was good for were people that owned back hose and like big like caterpillar earth movers there was a couple people it was good for but not on the whole no on the whole it was like and and the other problem was so they they wanted these permits they wanted to keep expanding and they started being told no so they started infiltrating like the um local government so they would go in and like demand per they would demand to see permits or files or papers at the wasco county um courthouse and there's two people that work there because Because it's like a courthouse in the middle of nowhere in this county that doesn't have that many people.

[1000] And 40 of them would go down and be like, we demand to see it.

[1001] So it started, it started off very aggressive.

[1002] And, of course, it was already like, you're all wearing red and jumping around.

[1003] And now you're like, we want to see this.

[1004] We want to do this.

[1005] Then they have, they have elections.

[1006] And they end up electing a bunch of the Rajneeshis, as they're called, onto the city council or onto the.

[1007] the whatever, county, whatever it would be, county people, county group.

[1008] So that they suddenly now are the ones that are, because they're trying to get their people in so that they get told yes.

[1009] Smart.

[1010] Because what they want to do, they really did want to build a city.

[1011] And they wanted to bring more and more people there.

[1012] And they're starting to make serious money.

[1013] And the other reason they said that they had the tours is because they want to make sure parents who, like, those rich parents were talking about could come and see where their children were and what they were dedicating in their life to that it wasn't some secret cult that they could come and shop in the mall and buy a bunch of red clothes if they wanted to or eat their organic pizza or whatever and that everything was chill and then they danced around ecstatically there'd be discos there was like a whole thing and then they'd leave going I guess it's fine and keep on giving them the money and they were making a shit fucking ton of money now the other thing was that the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh said when he he went into silence and he put that woman Ma Anan Sheila who was also known as Sheila Silverman because she was from India but she had married an American here and she you know was an American citizen I guess Ma 'anin Sheila who everyone called Sheila she was in charge and then he had four other women beneath her and they ran the entire city.

[1014] And his, he, the Bhagwan Tree Rajnees said he wanted a city run by women.

[1015] And he wanted, like, strong, strong women to be in power.

[1016] And what would a city look like if women, if it was a matriarchy, basically?

[1017] So everyone's kind of like into that idea.

[1018] Because what harm could there be?

[1019] And they had these women that were the tour guides that when you went there to see that cult your child had just moved to and started wearing all red clothes, it would be all these beautiful they call themselves the Twinkies and they would guide you around and be like here's the look here's the mall and here's this and I'm really pretty and we're all great and we eat lettuce all the time and everything's good that's our fucking tour the Twinkie tour so it's just all uh they're trying to make sure people have positive it's positive PR all the time the problem is the the jones town cult yeah and the jones town massacre had only happened three years before.

[1020] Oh, fuck.

[1021] So aside from locals being locals and not being that into a bunch of hippie weirdos coming into their town, everybody, the press, everybody was scared of anything like that happening in America.

[1022] And it was close to San Francisco where Jonestown started, right?

[1023] Yeah, I mean, it was relatively not really.

[1024] Like a plane flight away.

[1025] Okay.

[1026] A long car right away.

[1027] Okay.

[1028] But still, but yes, closer than other.

[1029] places.

[1030] And yes, that's where geography.

[1031] Right?

[1032] You could drive up the five and get there.

[1033] But yes, I mean, it's that sensitivity of however many people died at Jonestown, 800, something like that.

[1034] Hundreds?

[1035] They're not going to just let a bunch of people getting super into this one religion and starting a city about it because it's also the thing of the separation of church and state.

[1036] And that idea of like, what's actually behind this?

[1037] The other thing, too, was that they were making so much money that the Bhagwan Tree Rajneesh, one of his favorite things was Rolls Royces.

[1038] And so by 1984, he had the largest private collection of Rolls Royces in America.

[1039] He had 94 of them.

[1040] Holy thought.

[1041] Who the fuck?

[1042] And that was his pro -materialism thing.

[1043] It didn't seem like other people got to be very materialistic, though, because I don't think they were getting paid to, like, fucking run those back.

[1044] backhose and like run entire huge lettuce farms or whatever um you don't fucking buy 94 rural's races with fucking lettuce farms no no there's some serious cash getting stacked that he gets to spend um so his thing was he they were because the the relationship between the citizens of central oregon and the rajneeshis was getting um you know you know you heated, let's say.

[1045] He no longer was doing, making appearances.

[1046] So what he would do was get into one of his many Rolls Royces and drive.

[1047] And so he would just drive down the road and all the Rajneeshis would line up in their weird clothes.

[1048] And they would jump and stand and clap and sing and whatever.

[1049] And he would drive by and wave to them.

[1050] Shut up.

[1051] Drive with no hands.

[1052] He would do his hands and prayer hands and then bow to them as he was driving down the thing.

[1053] And that was the really famous.

[1054] Like that's what I remember as like, you know, a 12 year old or whatever.

[1055] Is there a video of this?

[1056] Oh, yeah.

[1057] You can watch all this on YouTube.

[1058] Holy shit.

[1059] It's pretty amazing.

[1060] And they, and they showed it on the news all the time because it was this thing that was like, oh, this is an interesting starting up in, up in Central Oregon.

[1061] And then I was like, hey, have you seen this lately?

[1062] Well, then after a while, their, their side of things say that they tried to have a festival.

[1063] And the local authorities said, you can't have a festival unless you have a security force.

[1064] and so they started walking around with Uzi's So when he would go to do his drive There would be two dudes with like all the red clothes But then with like berets to the side Carrying Uzzies as they were walking Areas are fucking always bad in a cults are not a good sign No dude So so So they basically have their own security force And it was serious enough where they got trained At the state police academy They went off and got trained as a security force and came back.

[1065] That makes me feel better, though.

[1066] I mean, yeah.

[1067] They called themselves a peace force.

[1068] Because you need Uzi's when you're a fucking peace force.

[1069] I mean, now, the other thing is they were getting threatened a lot.

[1070] Okay.

[1071] Of course.

[1072] You know, a lot of letters, a lot of phone calls.

[1073] And they owned a hotel in Portland that got bombed.

[1074] Oh, shit.

[1075] So once the fire bombing started happening, there was more and more guns that, and like, the security force thing.

[1076] kind of came up more and more.

[1077] Did anyone die in that?

[1078] Because I wonder if they did themselves to be like to get sympathy or like get a reason to get those guns.

[1079] Well they actually would use the negative press when they would like something like that or anything where it showed that the locals or people of Oregon were like after them.

[1080] Because there were protesters that would be on the city that would be like get the hell out of town.

[1081] Yeah.

[1082] They would take that footage and send it to the other I want to say ash rams but I don't know if that's the right word.

[1083] There are other hangouts around the country and around the world.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] Um, sex.

[1086] Sex.

[1087] Sex.

[1088] I wonder if those.

[1089] They would send that footage so that and then go look how we're being attacked and they would send them money.

[1090] But I wonder if those protesters were fucking ashram dudes.

[1091] Oh.

[1092] I like it.

[1093] Like so they're just propaganda.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] Could be.

[1096] I believe in nothing.

[1097] But I think that people were super like, get the fuck out of here.

[1098] Like what are you guys doing?

[1099] Yeah.

[1100] Um, so basically we'll just cut to this part because there's a lot of stuff about permits that I was like writing, writing, writing.

[1101] And I'm like, I don't know.

[1102] Does anyone give a shit about this permit action?

[1103] Did they get them?

[1104] Yes or no?

[1105] No?

[1106] Right.

[1107] Well, basically the answer was no. So then they started getting voting themselves onto boards.

[1108] They basically infiltrated the politics in the community around.

[1109] Smart.

[1110] Right.

[1111] Smart.

[1112] So that they could start making all the decisions for themselves and make this city as big as they wanted.

[1113] Um.

[1114] So, but here's where they went wrong.

[1115] There was a big important vote coming up.

[1116] So they started busing in homeless people from all around the country to come and live at the Rajneesh Purim in the city.

[1117] They were saying that they were doing it for their spiritual life because they wanted them to.

[1118] But these were all just homeless people that they were finding on the streets.

[1119] And these people would get there and they'd be given clothes.

[1120] They'd be given three hots and a cot and be like, hey, you can go, you can go.

[1121] work on the lettuce farm and have something to do.

[1122] And there's, it's sad.

[1123] There's guys that, like, talk to the cameras and be like, yeah, there's nothing for me out there.

[1124] I might as well be here.

[1125] And I actually have something to do and, like, I don't have to worry about getting stabbed on the street.

[1126] Sure.

[1127] So, they ended busing in 4 ,000 homeless people.

[1128] Holy fuck.

[1129] So that in the next Wasco County election, they basically start to take over politics.

[1130] And what ends up happening is, the people that were in place, you know, the people that were already the county supervisors or whatever they are.

[1131] Did this thing where when everybody showed up to vote that day, they said, if you are newly registered to vote, we're putting a, like a ban on your vote and you, and we're taking this to court.

[1132] That's not how that works.

[1133] Well, but you can do, I guess there's some, some circumstances, they were like pulling out an old law, whatever was like saying, you can vote, but you have to first go to this trial and like, be at a hearing to prove that you're here to vote, that you're really a citizen of this city because they knew exactly what they were doing.

[1134] And so then they tried to turn it into this woman, Sheila, tried to be like, I'm voting for you.

[1135] This is because a lot of these people were like Vietnam vet.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] Homeless people.

[1138] I mean, they were the people that like had been screwed over truly by society.

[1139] And so conceptually it was a really nice idea.

[1140] But once that happened and of course nobody was going to go to the hearing nobody was going to go sit there and talk to a judge about how they yes they were here and they were really a citizen and blah blah blah so so few of them went that and like 95 % of the locals showed up to vote you know highest voting turnout ever for the actual locals that that none of the Rajneeshis won anything and it went completely in favor of the locals oops yeah well then they just dump all these homeless guys most of them went to to Portland but they just they just sent them out of town oh my god and dump them and just like close by in like no local places of like well here you go didn't work bye yeah and that's when it all started to fall apart where it was like yeah all of this like you could say that you're doing this for the spirituality that would be a beautiful thing if there's a place for people to go who are homeless yeah who are on the streets and have nowhere to go.

[1141] But this is clearly not a charity or anything.

[1142] You're not going to let these people come here and stay.

[1143] You were clearly using them.

[1144] Yeah.

[1145] That sucks.

[1146] And yeah, once that vote didn't turn out the way they wanted it to, it all got exposed.

[1147] The other thing that happened was that they went to check on the housing, the local sheriff went to check on the housing for these people because there was kind of like a tent city they didn't have enough like building housing for them because there's so many.

[1148] But they did have tent like tent housing that they used during their festivals.

[1149] And so the sheriff was going up there to make sure that there was like proper housing for that many people.

[1150] And when they got up there, there was like a huge caterpillar earth mover that was blocking the entire road.

[1151] And the sheriff had to basically turn around and go back to town.

[1152] I thought it was going to an actual caterpillar and I got so excited.

[1153] James and the Giant Peach.

[1154] Oh.

[1155] But a caterpillar that huge, though.

[1156] Great.

[1157] Go on.

[1158] Sorry.

[1159] That's upsetting.

[1160] I know.

[1161] How cute.

[1162] It would be all like, ugh.

[1163] Furry.

[1164] So anyway, they basically are like, we got to call in higher -ups.

[1165] This is crazy and something's really happening.

[1166] So, sorry, I have to get to my page.

[1167] So they have officials from around the county.

[1168] go and visit and be like what the hell is going on and while they were there I'm trying to find the name can you while you're looking can you imagine so the governor of was it the governor of San Francisco who went to Jones Town to check on everyone yeah I don't think he was the governor I may he was something yes he was a big wig so he shows up to check on his citizens who had moved to Jonestown.

[1169] And he ends up getting shot and killed by, which triggered and started off the Jonestown massacre.

[1170] Yes.

[1171] Can you imagine, and that was three years before, those fucking city officials being like, we're looking into this shit?

[1172] How terrifying was that be?

[1173] Yes.

[1174] And a lot of them talk about it.

[1175] It's really an interesting thing worth watching because they were so scared.

[1176] At first they were scared to look like racist and to look like people that were just rejecting people out of hand.

[1177] But then after a while, they knew that they couldn't, like, they knew that this had turned into a thing that was beyond just them, like, going in and arresting people, that that was not possible.

[1178] And the sheriff who at the time, I mean, like, now he's aged very well.

[1179] Because now he must be like in his late 60s and at the time he was like in his 30s and he was like, someone goes, well, are they, like a person from the press goes, are they blocking the road?

[1180] And he goes, well, I don't know if they're blocking it, but I mean, it's blocked, so I guess we'll just go.

[1181] Like, they're absolutely not trying to be in conflict with these people.

[1182] But at this point...

[1183] It's like a welfare check.

[1184] Yes, exactly.

[1185] Like, they're trying to say, yeah, we just want to make sure everything is kind of what it's, what you're claiming it is.

[1186] Yeah.

[1187] Well, then Sheila shows up.

[1188] Uh -oh.

[1189] And she's like, she's like kind of in everybody's face.

[1190] It's pretty interesting, too, when you see her, she gets interviewed a couple times, and she actually picks up her hand and points in.

[1191] into the face of the interviewer or into the camera where it's like aggressive what are you doing yeah like if this is also chill and spiritual but you can tell she's like it turned into like yeah we're like you're fighting for your commune but after a while that's not really what's happened this is a power move yeah and a power grab like they're trying to take over like they want they want they want the state for themselves or they want the area for themselves okay so anyway um i can't find this guy's name Basically, basically the, um, fuck.

[1192] The, oh, I don't have the name, but it's three county commissioners.

[1193] So they went to tour the ranch.

[1194] And while they were there, they were given glasses of water.

[1195] And when they get home, they become seriously ill. Oh, come on.

[1196] And they had been poisoned with salmonella.

[1197] Holy fuck.

[1198] But they can't prove that it, like, they can't prove it.

[1199] Like, they get very.

[1200] ill and then they're just kind of out and so that they can't go to work.

[1201] Then it took them a full year to to like tie it all back and get all the proof.

[1202] Then around Central and Southern Oregon there are reported 751 cases of Salmonella.

[1203] And people 45 people were hospitalized.

[1204] There were no fatalities.

[1205] but all of these people got it like one after the other and it turned out that Rajneeshis were going out to restaurants and sprinkling salmonella onto salad bars and putting it into salad dressing.

[1206] How do you get salmonella to sprinkle?

[1207] I don't know.

[1208] In my mind, like you have to wring out a steak into a fucking.

[1209] I mean, they had the setup that they had on these farms and these ranches.

[1210] I mean, I could not tell you, but they figured it out.

[1211] And I mean, like, they could have had, like, labs or other things on these farms.

[1212] I'm not sure.

[1213] All they know is that they were, that these salad bars were poisoned.

[1214] And the idea was that they were going to keep voters from the way.

[1215] It was the idea.

[1216] Jesus.

[1217] And then the last thing that happened, which I think is kind of amazing, is a Rajneeshie name.

[1218] named Ma Anan Puja heard that politician James Kameney was at St. Vincent Hospital.

[1219] So she went there and the idea was that she was going to inject a deadly mixture into his intervenous tube that would stop his heart.

[1220] Holy fuck.

[1221] But when she arrived and when got into his hospital room, she saw that he didn't have an inner venous hookup that he was just laying in the bed so she just panicked and turned around and left but they act the plan was they later found out when they raided the place and got all the like secret documents and everything that the plan was they were going to kill him oh my God yeah this was so basically this was Sheila's plan to like take over Oregon so where is she now she fucking fled she fled to West Germany oh dear oh actually when they when the cops finally got in the the um ultimate plan was they were going to put poison into organ's water supply fuck um um uh and people they also had all of the rooms bugged at the ranch and they were they had like files on rajneeshs in the ranch so they like they weren't only going to do harm to outsiders they also were like keeping people in line and doing weird shit within the ranch like there was a lot of crazy shit going on um the baguan shri shri rajneesh she basically left um he came out and like agreed with the like cooperated with the authorities told him everything broke his three -year silence um uh and then basically tried to get onto a plane uh and he um tried to flee by learjet a plane a plane came in and It was a big enough place where they could land a plane.

[1222] And then they got off.

[1223] There was the flight plan was that they were going to refuel in Charlotte, North Carolina.

[1224] And then they were going to go back, I guess, to India.

[1225] But in Charlotte, they landed and the cops arrested him.

[1226] And they deported him because he was, the whole time he was on a visa that was like had expired long ago.

[1227] Then they found her.

[1228] And she served three years of a sense.

[1229] before she was deported off of U .S. soil.

[1230] And the Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh died in 1990.

[1231] The camp was converted into a Christian camp.

[1232] So it's legit now.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] But then in 1996, it was destroyed by fire.

[1235] And all of the structures were destroyed.

[1236] Damn it.

[1237] That would be so cool to do a live episode from there.

[1238] Oh, my God.

[1239] Could you imagine we drive up to that lake?

[1240] But also, just to keep your eyes peeled because Because he eventually, before he died, he changed his name to Osho, which is actually a Japanese honorific.

[1241] And so if you see quotes on the internet from Osho, it's actually the Bhagwan Tree Rushne.

[1242] Shows the fuck up.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] Just so you know, it's not some wise Japanese sage from long ago.

[1245] Does he quote shit on the internet?

[1246] What does he do?

[1247] Yeah, you see quotes from Osho all the time.

[1248] And it's that stuff of like, you know, um, you know, we are here for a short amount of time.

[1249] It's all the, it's like shit I've said.

[1250] It's, I mean, it's just, it's just that stuff of like, you know, time.

[1251] So he's still practice, like, practicing.

[1252] No, he's dead.

[1253] But his, like, because he changed his name, he doesn't have the mark of like the Baguan Tree Rojnius is known as the cult leader, the kooky cult leader who tried to poison everybody.

[1254] Oshow just sounds like some guy playing a flute underneath an old tree, but it's actually this guy.

[1255] Fuck, dude.

[1256] I know.

[1257] That's cool.

[1258] Fucking cults, man. Cults, dude, my fave.

[1259] They're so good.

[1260] Anyway, that's mine.

[1261] I love it.

[1262] No one died.

[1263] No, they tried.

[1264] They tried, and they were bad at it.

[1265] They tried hard.

[1266] Also, the locals tried, too.

[1267] There was lots of, like, bad bumper stickers that were, like, gun sites with, you know, it was not a good time in the early 80s in Central Oregon.

[1268] I have never heard about that.

[1269] That's so cool.

[1270] It was crazy.

[1271] Oh, we're supposed to talk about one thing that was good.

[1272] good this week.

[1273] Okay.

[1274] Let's tell each -I think yours is that you bought your niece fucking Doc Martins for Christmas.

[1275] Don't do mine for me. So we're going to do a fight at the positive part?

[1276] Okay, well then mine is that you bought your fucking niece, Doc Martin because that's the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[1277] That was a pretty good one.

[1278] Yeah.

[1279] Let's not do it anymore.

[1280] I mean, we have to think this hard about.

[1281] We just take a second.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] Well, let's give up I don't know Life is good There was something while we were talking That I thought of And then I'm like, don't sidebar it again What?

[1284] I can't remember I wish I should have written it down We should take notes during the week And we should take notes while we're talking We should treat this like a fucking thing I don't know though Should we?

[1285] It's working.

[1286] It's working briny banging well.

[1287] Oh my God.

[1288] There's so many things in my life that are good and I just can't remember one of them.

[1289] I guess that I'm moving into a fucking real apartment.

[1290] Yeah, that's fun.

[1291] A grown -up person.

[1292] We just got an apartment and I'm scared, but it's exciting.

[1293] Yeah, that's very exciting.

[1294] You know what?

[1295] The thing this week that I'm happy about, my dish, I'm going to have a dishwasher.

[1296] What's yours?

[1297] Oh, fuck yeah.

[1298] It's fucking real detectives.

[1299] Oh, yeah.

[1300] That's it.

[1301] Sorry.

[1302] No, I was happy for you.

[1303] Um, there's a new, there's not, it's not a new show actually.

[1304] It just, the first season is on Netflix, but the second season I think is on regular TV if you DVR it.

[1305] Um, and someone tweeted us and said, thanks so much for the recommendation of real detective.

[1306] I love it and I'm obsessed with it.

[1307] We never, we never, we're welcome.

[1308] We didn't give that recommendation.

[1309] You're welcome.

[1310] But it's this, here's why I love it.

[1311] It's like I survived, but it's first person from the guy who, solved the crime and it is they're like you love them you're so in love with them they're so like low -key manly but but super haunted because there's these cases that you're like are the cases really good oh my god they're incredible and there are there like real photo like crime scene photos no there's really good reenactments um is that a thing really good reenactments there it is because they actually there's actors you recognize that are in these reenactments and they do it in a way where you're just it's similar to um i don't know any yeah i think crime to remember is the only one that has really good reenactments it's similar to that but it's less um artistic and more down to business of like the guy tells you this is how it was for me and then you see him do the thing i'm into i'm into actors that i know and not ones that i'm like oh god you're struggling and you got paid a hundred and ten dollars for this reenactment right and then you had to pretend to be raped.

[1312] Yeah, and then you're just in that red bra laying there.

[1313] Um, no, this is very cool.

[1314] And also, it's because it's from, I just, there's something about a homicide detective that's just, like, insanely you, it's just pure.

[1315] They're my Brad Pitt.

[1316] I get it.

[1317] I dig it.

[1318] Well, it's just bold.

[1319] It's like, what a hard job.

[1320] Totally.

[1321] What a horrible job.

[1322] Totally.

[1323] Yeah.

[1324] Pretty cool.

[1325] Good bless them.

[1326] Good bless um go to my favorite murder dot com for things and stuff and thanks for listening thanks everybody we like you guys we sure do stay sexy and don't get murdered by bye bye Elvis you want cookie oh did that work it did it did Jesus