260 - Unwashed & Unabashed

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Favorite murder.

[2] That's Georgia Hard Star.

[3] That's Karen Killed Gera.

[4] And that's Mimi.

[5] And Mimi's on my lap because she started screaming right when we started recording.

[6] Mimi has something to say this week and I think we should just hear her out for once.

[7] Let's see if I can get her to talk.

[8] Mimi.

[9] Mimi.

[10] Tusha.

[11] Oh.

[12] Yeah.

[13] There she is.

[14] That cat Loud with it She says Mimi you're the greatest Fuck puppies That's what she's saying Oh I gotta send you the video of The puppy just go Trying to play with Mimi It's so cute And did she eviscerate him emotionally Completely I bet Emotionally and a good old Wallop on the nose I know I know How's it going Good good um you got a good librarian like sexy librarian look going today thank you i'm trying to seduce you um i might as well say i didn't take a shower and i pulled my hair back in a tight that's what gets me that's what you know i know i mean business you know that that's my type i know that's your favorite unwashed and unabashed yeah wow that's guarantee guarantee to you.

[15] That's me in a nutshell.

[16] I think it was one of those days.

[17] Just one of those days.

[18] I keep cleaning out.

[19] I keep piece by piece cleaning out my garage.

[20] You've been doing this for a while, so your garage must be.

[21] I basically took all the boxes that were moved from my other house.

[22] Like I think we were, I want to say we were on the road, but that can't be true.

[23] No, I think we were.

[24] My house was boxed up and moved to the new house.

[25] And so Stephen's like, yes, I can confirm that happened to you.

[26] So, yes, that's what happened.

[27] And so basically my entire garage was just filled, entirely filled with boxes.

[28] Yeah.

[29] So, and I was fine with that, even though I was like, this is very symbolic.

[30] Don't just have a bunch of boxes of your old life downstairs that you're just letting sit there.

[31] Yeah.

[32] And also I let them sit there for like over nine months.

[33] So I was like, you clearly don't need anything that's down there.

[34] Throw it all way.

[35] Throw it up.

[36] But I did know there was a couple things that I had to go through the boxes because there would be a couple things where I'm like, oh, thank God I didn't throw this away.

[37] One of which was my clottering, which was in my family, all the girls got, it's the Irish French Rift Ring where it's the two hands holding the heart.

[38] I didn't know that.

[39] That's what it's called.

[40] Yeah.

[41] It's called the cloddering.

[42] And all the girls in my family got them when they turned 16.

[43] And we were doing it in the 80s before it got really trendy, whatever.

[44] but mine I liked it first mine um I had lost it and found it a couple times it broke there's like a whole drama behind it and I'd finally found it again so um that was one of the I had to find that before I threw boxes away just entirely I mean I wanted to because I was just like it doesn't if I haven't missed it then how important could it be Marie condo style I wanted to be like that panic attack but I am a hoarder so that's why I mean but don't you think we all are in that way where you think I was sending you pictures of like I literally have folders from when I was a camp counselor like I remember I sent you that thing where it said look and listen on it and I was like look at this yeah like there I have stuff like that where it's like sure it means a lot to me but it isn't maker break yeah it isn't crucial maybe it's just clothes to me because the amount of clothes I have And the difficulty I have giving them away is so, and it's also, I'm sure, because as a kid, I only got hand -me -downs.

[45] And now I'm like, and I'm going to collect all the clothes.

[46] Fuck you.

[47] You know.

[48] So it's like, and I, yeah, I have a thing about clothes.

[49] Well, and I think sometimes I would, there's some shirts I remember having and I would kill to have them now.

[50] I actually, I found my Pat Benatar concert shirt that I, we used to wear in the like late 90s.

[51] Yeah.

[52] It was just in one of those boxes where I was like, I thought you were gone.

[53] You know what Vince got me?

[54] You tell Vince you want something and he'll just casually go to his phone and you're like, I know you're getting it for me. So he got me. That's why he's a dream boat.

[55] I know.

[56] He got me the acts of service and gifts are his love language.

[57] He got me the Jane's Addiction T -shirt I wore on my first day of high school with like my ripped shorts and my ripped fishnets, dog colors.

[58] I thought I was cool.

[59] and I ditched the first day of high school to smoke because I needed a cigarette.

[60] I was fiending, you know, as a 14 -year -old.

[61] Yeah, so he got me the ritual, De La Hivitual, Jane's Addiction shirt.

[62] And it's, I'm soaked, yeah.

[63] Is that the one where it's kind of like a guy hanging up?

[64] It almost looks like crucifixion -y.

[65] No, it's a lady, a very, like, beautiful, but like, flower in her hair, lady?

[66] Yeah, it's, yeah, exactly.

[67] I never I didn't necessarily I mean I loved the hits I will say that but Jane's addiction was always the guys that I had a crush on like Jane's addiction like yeah yeah skater boys that had got you know the posters yeah I just they were so creepy to me and I knew that what their song Ted just admit it was about Ted Bundy so I was like you know in the 90s as a 14 year old it was very sexy and stuff and now of course you're like you fuck that shit well but that's a it was back then.

[68] That was kind of the like, if you wanted to be dangerous and rock and roll.

[69] You'd hang out in graveyards and take edgy photos and graveyards.

[70] Pretend you like John Wayne Gasey's art. Yeah.

[71] It's simply garbage.

[72] And now that we know everybody else was painting it for him.

[73] That's one of my favorite reveals, modern reveals, is like the other prisoners were painting it.

[74] And Johnny Depp's paying $70 ,000 for so hilarious.

[75] Oh, wait, before we go any further, have you heard?

[76] And did you learn that the Dilotov past, the Dilotov past mystery has been solved?

[77] Yeah, allegedly solved.

[78] Okay.

[79] Most likely solved.

[80] Definitely solved, probably.

[81] Yeah.

[82] I didn't read the article.

[83] I was just, no matter what you said, I was going to devil's advocate the other direction.

[84] But like, it's not true.

[85] And I just did it.

[86] Or you?

[87] Oh, no. But did you read the thing?

[88] It's an avalanche, right?

[89] Yeah.

[90] It's really interesting.

[91] Yeah.

[92] The guy who basically solved it was showed that an avalanche was possible because there were all of these things of like, well, everything was still standing.

[93] So it was like kind of a mini avalanche in a way or some light avalanche.

[94] I don't know.

[95] And like the hill.

[96] A low.

[97] It was a short avalanche.

[98] Right.

[99] Short.

[100] That's the word.

[101] Which doesn't make any fucking sense to me. I need it of.

[102] Oh, I think that was terrible.

[103] Is that what they called it?

[104] A nice short avalanche.

[105] It was like a small short avalanche.

[106] Shallow.

[107] Shallow.

[108] Something.

[109] one of these words um yeah and then they all you know escaped crawled away and and died from various you know mostly um hypothermia it's just so sad and it was like kind of obvious and still so tragic and like such a crazy mystery for so long and that's it but does that explain is the um the parts where weren't their tongues missing and things like that and was that because they were just left to the left to nature yeah yeah definitely i mean it's kind of obvious and i think when when i covered it i think that's the conclusion we came to um but it was you know it was a cool mystery to unravel so i think that's just what happened but i think it's a pretty basic straightforward i still think anything's possible but at the same time aliens you know i just want to say they're out there i don't know if you watch ancient aliens but my mom does and she i sure do insists that they're ancient alien theorists suggest it's a lot of people have pointed this out to us which I kind of knew anyway because it's incredibly racist and ridiculous where they're basically showing ancient cultures and going there's no way they could have done this where it's like why it doesn't make sense because they people have been doing that kind of stuff for a hell of a long time have you and then you just point over to Stonehenge?

[110] Did you ever see?

[111] Yeah.

[112] Stonehenge?

[113] It's super old.

[114] And then did you see the one, the thing about like, um, you know, what's it called island with the big stone Easter Island?

[115] And they showed these just people today moving these in huge blocks and how they would have done it, which is rope and that's it.

[116] Yeah.

[117] You know, and manpower.

[118] And it's like, it's not that hard.

[119] We don't actually need aliens.

[120] And at the same time, we're probably aliens to begin with.

[121] So, yeah.

[122] Yes, aliens did it.

[123] But listen, nothing is real.

[124] It's all fucking fake.

[125] Here's what I like about the Easter Island story is that one of the theories, because I've seen the rope thing.

[126] And there's another one, which is that they cut down all the trees on the island.

[127] And they made almost like a roller system.

[128] So they could get them down to the coastline or down to where they were.

[129] And basically the king or, You know, whoever was in charge, sorry, I don't know.

[130] King might not be the right term, but whoever it was that was like, it's my decision.

[131] Yeah.

[132] They kept demanding more and more of these statues and they cut down every tree practically on the island so that they could have them and then basically made it so that the life was like uninhabitable.

[133] They didn't have good nature stuff going on on the island.

[134] They did it to themselves.

[135] And this is why we need to have, and we did join the Geneva Convention.

[136] Is that it?

[137] This is why the Lorax is one of the more important books that Dr. Seuss ever wrote.

[138] You know what I'm reading right now?

[139] I'm reading the Tao of Pooh of Winnie the Pooh.

[140] It's supposed to be epic.

[141] Oh, can I do a corrections corner?

[142] Sure.

[143] I'm correct.

[144] You mean about the conversation we just asked?

[145] Absolutely.

[146] The correction is edit all of that out.

[147] Okay.

[148] It's not a correction more of like a clarification that I, when I talked last week about emotional support dogs.

[149] I kind of overlapped it with service dogs which I want to be clear that service dogs are trained to perform functions for an owner that has that needs the help and emotional support animals are just a you know companion of the owner and they're not allowed on flights anymore oh really?

[150] Yeah or like they can't come on for free or whatever like that you know it has to it's not allowed but on Instagram Riley Scott 413 made it clear saying great news emotional support dogs are allowed inside Cracker Barrel and then said when I was a waitress there we had a guy who would put his dog in a chair across from him and order him chicken and dumplings I know Who's emotional support dogging who in that scenario?

[151] The chicken and dumplings I think for everybody So that would be That's amazing.

[152] Well, yeah, that's actually a very good discernment is important because service dogs are just like, I will help you with your epilepsy.

[153] I will know when a seizure is coming on.

[154] I can guide you across the street if you're visually impaired, whatever.

[155] I can bring you a beer when you can't get up to open the fridge because of your arthritis or whatever.

[156] Sure.

[157] You know?

[158] I've seen that one.

[159] I've seen that video.

[160] Oh, God.

[161] The dog that goes and gets the beer out of the refrigerator.

[162] Epic.

[163] Here's a great story from the New York Post that the Brooklyn DA, Eric Gonzalez, dismisses 262, and I'm quoting, prostitution -related warrants stemming from prostitution charges, which his office no longer prosecutes, and I'm quoting from New York Post.

[164] Obviously, we say sex workers.

[165] And they stretch back to 2012.

[166] However, Gonzalez says that there are 850 additional warrants.

[167] that were issued between the 1970s and 2011, arising from prostitution charges, which will be vacated in the near future.

[168] Isn't that amazing?

[169] And they're saying that the Brooklyn DA does not pursue cases against people arrested for sex work, but instead refers them to services.

[170] And they need to be offered assistance, not criminally prosecuted.

[171] And the state legislature is moving to expunge all 25 ,000 -plus prostitution -related convictions in Brooklyn.

[172] that date back to 1975, saying, like, we want to make sure that instead of criminal penalties and jails, we're providing health care, mental health care services to get them and give them better options and also, you know, for health care and we and generations of young people's lives are being destroyed when we could be helping them, said, said Senator, that's and that's from Senator Liz Kruger, who's working on on introducing the new legislation.

[173] Incredible news.

[174] Yeah.

[175] That's great.

[176] That's New York State.

[177] That's the Brooklyn District Attorney Eric Gonzalez.

[178] Nice.

[179] So that's in Brooklyn, which is epic and historic and a step in the right motherfucking direction.

[180] Yeah.

[181] Let's do that all over the goddamn country.

[182] Yeah, for real.

[183] Imagine services.

[184] Let's get back to some services for human beings.

[185] Yeah.

[186] I mean, even if it's like you want to stay working in sex work, which is totally acceptable, at least have some, you know, means.

[187] of help or you know and they say of course that a lot of sex workers who experience abuse won't report it because they know they're going to get prosecuted which is such a huge issue good news all around a wonderful feel good story right a feel good story from the new york post hey who knew hey anything's possible one of my favorite late night scrolls they just have some really wacky articles.

[188] It's always fun.

[189] I finished Bridgerton.

[190] Thanks to you.

[191] What'd you think?

[192] Did you?

[193] I hate watched it for a couple seasons.

[194] Episodes?

[195] Huh?

[196] Episodes.

[197] That's right.

[198] Time again.

[199] Wait, you have secret seasons.

[200] Oh yeah.

[201] Didn't I tell you?

[202] Time isn't linear.

[203] So I hop forward to season eight.

[204] Wow.

[205] Unbelievable.

[206] This is an ancient alien situation.

[207] Yeah.

[208] I watched it because you said that there was going to be some hot, raunchy Victorian sex.

[209] So I stuck with it and you weren't wrong.

[210] And then I found myself enjoying it, so I kept watching it.

[211] And then I gasped out loud at the very ending and text you all excited about it.

[212] So I definitely recommend it.

[213] It's like a good fun distraction watch, right?

[214] Yes.

[215] Yeah.

[216] Yeah.

[217] But it's not a family watch.

[218] Absolutely not.

[219] Do not.

[220] No children.

[221] No parents in the room with you.

[222] No. Absolutely not.

[223] There is a plot line in this show that is to me an old prude from the 80s.

[224] shocking that it's the plot line.

[225] Oh.

[226] See, I must not be approved.

[227] That's a spoiler alert.

[228] So you have to leave that out.

[229] Yeah, yeah.

[230] Please take that out.

[231] Okay.

[232] Yeah, like the whole thing, but in like a Jane Austen setting is I was, I kept going, it's got to be me. I'm, I think I'm hearing this wrong.

[233] Literally looked it up on my phone because I was like, this can't actually be the plot.

[234] Okay.

[235] but people who read the book already knew and that was in the book because the book is like a modern retelling of one of those kind of stories I thought it was like I just thought it was some old that Shauna Rimes was just bringing back some old story I'd never heard before so it's like bringing Gray's Anatomy love into the fucking past man yeah yeah and our lovely Claire from Dairy Girls oh she kills it just so happy to see her any time.

[236] A delight, truly.

[237] Nicola Colin?

[238] Nicola.

[239] Nicola.

[240] Nicola Coughlin.

[241] Nicola Coughlin.

[242] Yeah, she's great.

[243] All right.

[244] So I, yeah, I recommend that if you need an escape.

[245] It was helpful in my sanity in keeping it recently.

[246] If you need, if you need a private escape.

[247] I have one.

[248] I have a recommendation that came.

[249] I made a, I wrote a tweet the other night and in the tweet jokingly referenced the Witcher or Witcher.

[250] might just be plain witcher, but that's the Henry Cavill series that's kind of like, I don't know, spooky, D &D, whatever, fantasy almost.

[251] But I watched it and do enjoy it.

[252] But my friend Alex Reed, who's my old friend from stand -up comedy in San Francisco, but he's also a very accomplished TV writer himself.

[253] And he wrote, if you like Witcher, you will love Britannia.

[254] And so I And I believe it's on Netflix And I started watching it And it is so good It's basically Britannica Britannia Britannia It's Britannica It's about It's just a shot of a bunch of encyclopedias It's very soothing No Bertania It's about the Romans Invading Britannia And the Celts and the Druids live there And the druids are this fascinating clan of people that used to live in England, in the English territories, whatever they were called.

[255] And they were kind of like witchy, but it's real.

[256] But they were like, they used to, they were said to have had telekinesis.

[257] They did magic.

[258] They, um, a lot of their magic was based in oak trees.

[259] It's this whole, I started reading about them because I was so fascinated because it's actually real.

[260] but basically the Romans came in and got rid of them all.

[261] And so they were kind of like, you know, the magic people.

[262] It's a really good series.

[263] Is it like Lord of the Ring vibes?

[264] That's what I'm getting.

[265] It's like Lord of the Ring for real, though.

[266] Because it's historically based.

[267] All right.

[268] Perhaps not exactly accurate, but based on.

[269] Some liberties are taken.

[270] It's good.

[271] All right.

[272] So what's that called Britannia?

[273] Britannia on Netflix.

[274] I have something to tell you that I've been really excited to tell you about, you know, how I told you about, oh, shit.

[275] Stephen, what was the Instagram and, uh, cottage core?

[276] Cottage core.

[277] So remember how I told you about cottage core?

[278] All the like darling twee stuff and beekeeping that I was super into.

[279] Well, that I found out recently that, you know, there's cleaning.

[280] That it was a scam?

[281] No. It's not.

[282] It's real.

[283] It was a pyramid scheme.

[284] It's real and I love it.

[285] And I put $10 ,000 into it.

[286] And I feel like I'm going to get my return.

[287] I bought all these bees.

[288] I bought docks in cottage core and miniature and doll houses.

[289] And I'm really feeling good about it.

[290] All right.

[291] Great.

[292] And if you want to join, you can be in my pyramid.

[293] Anyway.

[294] There are cleaning influencers.

[295] Like, I found out that there are people who, like, have our specialty cleaners of, like, house cleaning.

[296] There's this one called it's AMA ROS cleaning, Amma Ross cleaning.

[297] and she's like an influencer as like thousands and thousands of followers and like shows you her favorite like scrub daddy and here's how to clean this and here's the best way to vacuum this and this is my favorite this and this is my favorite cleaning thing of that and I'm obsessed and it's addictive.

[298] Well you know what's funny that it's funny you mention that because when I at Christmas time when I went to make a bake a turkey breast for the first time I went and looked at my oven and it wasn't very clean and I was like I should clean this, but I don't know how, you know how a lot of times you can switch it on your, your oven is like self -cleaning or I'm like, I don't trust that.

[299] Yeah, yeah.

[300] And it takes like a full day or whatever.

[301] And so I looked up, I basically looked up my kind of oven and how to clean it like quickly and easily.

[302] And there was a woman who was just like, it's, you need, you know, baking soda, white vinegar, this and this.

[303] Yep.

[304] And she, and it really worked.

[305] It was like, it took me 20 minutes.

[306] Well, there are people like, you know, there's like, there's like, uh, workout influencers.

[307] What's it called when you work, you know.

[308] And now, yeah, and there's cleaning influencers.

[309] I love it.

[310] Have you cleaned anything that?

[311] Have you been influenced in any way by them?

[312] I have.

[313] I bought all the products she told me to get.

[314] And I've been binging power washing videos too.

[315] So that's like.

[316] That is one of my favorite thing.

[317] Have you ever seen the ones in the buildings in New York City when they're doing it in Manhattan?

[318] And it's just.

[319] Guys up on, like, what looked like a window washing thingy, but instead, they're power washing the front of a building.

[320] So it's going from dark gray to beautiful, like, marble white.

[321] Yes.

[322] The best.

[323] I watched one of like, the tenant had lived in this apartment for 40 years and smoked three packs a day.

[324] And they went in there with a power washer.

[325] And the walls were fucking yellow.

[326] Yeah.

[327] Like, piss yellow.

[328] And they just power washed it.

[329] And it was like, oh, even the ceiling was just gross.

[330] Loved it.

[331] So good.

[332] And they cleaned it all up.

[333] They fucking power washed.

[334] I mean, everybody loves a before and after, but with something like that where you don't have to actually do the hard work of cleaning.

[335] Oh, yeah.

[336] But you still get the satisfaction of the before and after.

[337] Yes.

[338] There's nothing better.

[339] Nothing.

[340] It's so good.

[341] Because hopefully my life will never get to the point where I'll have to have a satisfying power washing situation.

[342] So I'll just watch other people's.

[343] You don't know, though, because indoor smoking is, it can be pretty sad.

[344] Can you imagine sitting in a New York apartment?

[345] So it's, what is it cost four grand a month or some shit like so expensive.

[346] It's tiny.

[347] So like it's your, it's like a smoke box.

[348] Yes.

[349] I used to do, you know what?

[350] I'm saying, can you imagine?

[351] I did it when I when I lived there, like, you know, it was early 2010s, right?

[352] It was probably 2010 or 2011.

[353] I moved there for a job I knew four people.

[354] So on the weekends, I would just pull this stool because it was this tiny kitchen.

[355] Yeah.

[356] I would put a pot of water on the stove and just keep it at a low boil.

[357] So there was just moisture in the air.

[358] And then I would, and then I had the window open and I would wear a total coat because it was like wintertime.

[359] You had the window cracked problem.

[360] Like, that's enough.

[361] window cracked and then I would just smoke and blow it out the window and keep it so that like if any smoke went in the air, the moisture would just bring it back there.

[362] So it wouldn't like get anything dirty.

[363] I've never heard of that.

[364] Yeah.

[365] And then I just fuck it.

[366] I just trolled Facebook.

[367] I couldn't get off Facebook.

[368] I was just my self -rolled.

[369] Oh, that's right.

[370] Yeah.

[371] You know what you are?

[372] You were a fucking cigarette influencer.

[373] You're giving us tips and tricks.

[374] You're rolling your own and you're going to show us how and all the tools you love to use or just like if you can't roll them yourself, here's what you do.

[375] And like, here's the filter I like to use sometimes.

[376] No filter.

[377] No filter.

[378] And then this is, no filter.

[379] You got to crack your window this much.

[380] Otherwise, it doesn't.

[381] So yeah, you're a cigarette influencer.

[382] And then a true cigarette influencer, because then you can take a picture, you can find a picture of my old teeth.

[383] And I had to get them professionally replaced with fake teeth because my teeth became so yellow because smoking is disgusting and terrible.

[384] you and you shouldn't do it.

[385] That's right.

[386] But man, it can be satisfying when you're all alone in the world in New York City.

[387] Oh, a contemplative cigarette of like, this is what I'm doing tonight.

[388] Fuck you.

[389] And that's actually, I've told this story a thousand times, but that's when I got into podcast.

[390] Because I would listen to Dave Anthony and Greg Barrett's podcast walking the room.

[391] And it was like getting to hang out with my friends and not getting to talk.

[392] And I loved it.

[393] It was the best.

[394] I love it.

[395] Oh, I have one more, um, correction.

[396] Oh, okay.

[397] Cole Escola from search party, who I mentioned last week and adoring them.

[398] But I called them he and and his pronouns are they them.

[399] So I just want to make sure I got that clear.

[400] Pronouns update, everybody.

[401] And I want to make sure I respect that and clear it up.

[402] Hey, if you don't know, it's not about respect because you just didn't know.

[403] Right.

[404] So it's just an update.

[405] I think is an important sign of respect.

[406] Absolutely.

[407] Absolutely.

[408] And a good thing, just, I, it's, it's a, I'm working on the habit of just trying to, um, default to they.

[409] Yes, yes.

[410] But it's, again, I'm from the 80s.

[411] So it's a, it's a slight adjustment.

[412] But, um, yeah, it's usually the, just your best bet.

[413] Totally.

[414] Totally.

[415] I was going to tell you about, oh, well, a couple, but if we're still doing TV shows, I just stumbled on, remember when I told you about, there was a British show called Not Safe for Work that I loved and I think I made you watch at least one episode I'm not sure it's really good if you haven't seen it Not Safe for Work is great but then I also but I found this this is basically like a deep cut because it's from I think it started in 2011 and it's called fresh meat and it's these young and it's it's called fresh meat where all these people are young it's an old show with young people my two favorite things and it's called fresh meat and they are all at uni and British at university yep and they're all just a roommates you know a rag tag group of roommates and I was binging it yesterday and it's good stuff if anyone's looking for it I'm doing those deep cut the British show deep cuts did you I hate to ask this because I feel like it's one of those things where like your friend recommends something you're like can you leave me alone about it but did you watch the British Shameless, the original shameless.

[416] Oh, yes.

[417] Remember, we were talking about it.

[418] Remember, you asked me what neighbor I would or what person I would be?

[419] Yeah.

[420] And I was the neighbor.

[421] Yes.

[422] The British shameless is amazing.

[423] I mean, we're still obsessed with it.

[424] It's like it's this fucking best show I've ever seen.

[425] It's like one of my favorites.

[426] Now, did we discuss I want to know if that dad character is dyeing his hair.

[427] Definitely.

[428] Or if he just, you think so?

[429] In the beginning, he looks like he has a wig.

[430] you were saying right which i mean i but it doesn't later he must have been like had a role had a different role for something else and how to wear a wig i do think he dies it but maybe like that's part of his character because his character's just a complete fuck up yeah his character yeah is like kind of a young guy but then has lived in a hard life so it makes sense that he would have like kind of scraggly a beard scraggly a face and then young guy hair yeah he's trying to look at it's a good job yeah i love it and the young actor who's so James Who's so hot James McAvoy Yes Thank you Stephen Good job Stephen He placed His name is Stephen In it Is it?

[431] But he you know he ends up He and Fiona The older Spoiler No spoiler In real life Got married And had a kid They fell in love On the set of shameless And got married And Pat A kitten are now divorced.

[432] That's okay.

[433] Spoiler!

[434] Love story.

[435] Love story.

[436] Love it.

[437] Love stories.

[438] Loving it.

[439] Should we do exactly right news?

[440] Well, I have one more recommendation.

[441] It's just, no. It's just, it's a podcast.

[442] I was, I don't know what I was doing, but I was just kind of like going randomly through podcast and it was like the ones that were related.

[443] to the ones I'd already listened to.

[444] Yeah, yeah, I like that.

[445] And I stumbled upon a podcast that's like a kind of self -helpy.

[446] Oh, you sent it to me and I listened to it.

[447] Yes.

[448] Yeah.

[449] It's called unfuck your brain, but it's not by the person who authored the book because I thought it would be and it's not.

[450] Yeah.

[451] And she, and it seems like the book came out and this podcast came out the same year.

[452] So it might totally be a thing that very much does happen in the world, which is just, it's a coincidence.

[453] But this one is a series by.

[454] or sorry, this is a podcast by the host is a woman named Kara Lowentheel.

[455] I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

[456] And it started as a podcast like an advice podcast for lawyers.

[457] Wow.

[458] Wow.

[459] She's a lawyer.

[460] But then as it goes, she basically becomes like a life coach and it's basically just kind of like good advice on a bevy of different things.

[461] If you're looking for it's real short, like It's, I think each one is like a half an hour or less.

[462] Yeah.

[463] And it's, she is such a good, like, writer and conceptual.

[464] Yes.

[465] And it's like, here is how.

[466] You sent me the one of how to get confidence.

[467] Mm -hmm.

[468] And I listened to it at 30 minutes.

[469] I was so surprised it was like over already.

[470] But it was like such great simple advice on how to like start.

[471] It's, you know, it's a long process.

[472] And it seems daunting and overwhelming to fucking get confidence after a lifetime of not having it.

[473] But she makes it.

[474] It's so straightforward and simple and explains your brain to you of why it's not working.

[475] And it's, it's great.

[476] You're right.

[477] You're right.

[478] It was great.

[479] It's really cool.

[480] And I really think it's generous because she is a, she is a life coach, a master life coach.

[481] And there's lots of life coaches that have podcasts that are basically giving it away for free as a way to say, and if you want more of this, then you get, I'll coach you separately.

[482] So it's very cool.

[483] If you listen to it, then you have like.

[484] next options if you have like the money and the but inclination but if not there's there she has like four years of podcast episodes where you can go through and find your topic and it's just really I find her very smart and very so good at giving advice I was blown away that's amazing I love those kinds of podcasts yeah that was great unfuck your brain with Kara Lowen Thiel yes of course cool because I I had a couple of those moments as I was listening where I was just like, oh, I can actually do this.

[485] Yeah.

[486] That's not, it's not conceptual in that way of like, you need to tell yourself that you're great, where it's just like, right, I would fucking do that.

[487] Like, that doesn't work on me. Well, the thing about us is that I feel like, and people with low self -esteem is like, I don't think I deserve to like myself.

[488] And I don't think I deserve confidence from myself or other people.

[489] And so it's not going to fucking work on me and fuck you for trying.

[490] Like, that works for other people and not for me. Fuck you.

[491] But it's like, no, no, it's just your brain and your wires are kind of crossed.

[492] And the way you've been trying to get it from outside sources is just, it doesn't work for anyone, not because you're broken.

[493] Yeah.

[494] And that idea of these are these thoughts that pass through our head, they're just that.

[495] They're just thoughts.

[496] And we can't just give our life over to these thoughts, ideas, feelings that just come through.

[497] We have to be more in charge.

[498] and we have to be basically kind of like right there with the thoughts and then go thank you for the warning thank you for the worry thank you for the you know stamping your feet we're not going to do that this time and like it's that idea i just you know and i mean like that's also my therapist talking and a lot of other things but but carloenthal loentheel puts it into very simple listenable kind of like break it down things i was just really impressed and it's like it was just really impressed and it's like it was works for anyone.

[499] It's not, you don't have to be special and like fixed.

[500] But we're so special.

[501] But however.

[502] We're special broken.

[503] We're especially broken.

[504] We're especially special in our brokenness.

[505] Don't we all love to be especially broken?

[506] That's the best.

[507] That's the best way.

[508] Truly.

[509] I mean, I don't want to be boring broken.

[510] That's like for fucking basics.

[511] And I'm not.

[512] I'm special.

[513] And I'm fixable.

[514] High level.

[515] I'm unfixable in my brokenable.

[516] Yeah.

[517] You earn that leather jacket.

[518] You earn the cigarette when you were 14.

[519] Yeah, these knuckle tattoos, man. No, not everyone gets to have these.

[520] You have to have a permit when you go to the...

[521] Georgia's knuckles say special broken.

[522] I don't know how she fits it on there.

[523] I got extra fingers because I'm especially broken.

[524] Okay.

[525] That was a great record.

[526] Oh, I'm reading The Invention of Wings by Sue Monk Kid.

[527] That's K -I -D -D.

[528] And she also wrote The Secret Life of Bees, which was unbelievably great.

[529] I love your bees I do love bees I highly recommend the invention of wings cool yeah so check that out too okay now we do a little exactly right news there's some we have so many great and wonderful shows we're just going to highlight a couple of them for you right now in case you haven't caught up to all your ER programming this week yeah you guys walk you through it I think we should start with I saw what you did which is our red radical movie review podcast.

[530] It's hosted by the two incredible women, Millie and Danielle.

[531] Millie is the programmer at the incredible Turner Classic Movies TCM, which is like one of the coolest channels.

[532] And whenever Vince is like, well, they have a double feature of this.

[533] I'm like, that's Millie, that's Millie.

[534] Like she has impeccable fricking taste.

[535] And Danielle knows so much about movies and she's hilarious and they're great friends.

[536] I saw what you did actually has a five star rating on iTunes, which is.

[537] If you ask us is impossible, but apparently it's not.

[538] Well, this is, we're talking criterion collection level podcasting over here.

[539] Hey.

[540] That's what's happening.

[541] Nice time.

[542] Yeah.

[543] And so they're doing a Black History Month special where they're focusing their discussions on black directors, actors, and other artists in the film industry and examining the obviously year -round importance of celebrating and amplifying black voices in the film community.

[544] and to kick that off, they're discussing two films, Ganja and Hess from 1973 and losing ground from 1982.

[545] So make sure you subscribe and listen to I Saw What You Did and follow them on at I Saw Pod on Instagram and Twitter.

[546] And they'll tell you what movies are reviewing each week beforehand.

[547] So you can watch those movies before or after.

[548] You don't even need to fucking watch them honestly just to listen to this podcast.

[549] Because you'll get the discussion.

[550] Also, on bananas, our weird news podcast, Kurt and Scotty are doing basically a live show this weekend.

[551] This is very exciting.

[552] You can buy tickets for, it's February 6th.

[553] It's coming.

[554] I literally don't know what day it is.

[555] I was about to say it's in a couple days.

[556] And it could be the 15th.

[557] It could be the second.

[558] I have no fucking clue.

[559] By the way, before you get fucking angry in their Instagram feed, they're doing a live web show.

[560] It's not.

[561] They're not going to be it.

[562] fucking the troubadour guys.

[563] No, no, no, it's streaming.

[564] It's completely, it's completely virtual.

[565] They're going to wear masks, even though they're going to be super distanced.

[566] So go to www.

[567] Bananaslive .com and go watch them do a live show.

[568] They're both seasoned performers.

[569] It's going to be amazing.

[570] No doubt.

[571] It's going to be like, love that damn show.

[572] So, they're doing so good.

[573] They are so good.

[574] And then we have a crossover this week.

[575] of two of our exactly right podcast.

[576] So Kara Klink from That's Messed Up, our SVU podcast is on, I said no gifts, Bridger's podcast.

[577] And so you should check both of those out.

[578] Yeah, that's going to be a delight.

[579] Yeah.

[580] That's a real nice combination.

[581] It is.

[582] I love those people.

[583] I love seeing them at parties, which is obviously we've talked about our main host criteria for exactly right is do we like to hang out with them at parties.

[584] Can't how long can you stand with them in a party?

[585] If it's over 10 minutes, they get a show on the podcast.

[586] And just to slide this one in, tenfold more Wicked is on their second season, or Kate Winkler Dawkinson is on her second season, talking about serial killers, Burke and Hair.

[587] It's really fascinating.

[588] They have been at the top of Apple's true crime charts.

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[591] That is how you know.

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[593] And I said to my sister, I was like, that's like the opposite of him beating me up every day after school.

[594] That feels so good.

[595] Yeah, we could have had something to talk about after school instead of him just beating me up.

[596] Who knew?

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[653] So this is in the news recently and I realized I hadn't even considered ever doing it and I thought maybe now is a good time because of that.

[654] So this is the murder of Lana Clarkson by Phil Specter.

[655] Oh yeah.

[656] We've never done this?

[657] How have we never done it?

[658] Yeah.

[659] Hopefully we've never.

[660] Yeah, I mean.

[661] I'm so surprised.

[662] Like even at an LA live show doing it.

[663] But just never crossed my mine.

[664] Okay.

[665] My sources are Patrick Prince for Gold Mine Mag, CNN Wire, a Dominic Dunn article for Vanity Fair, Stephen A. Diamond article for Psychology Today.

[666] Corrina Longsworth for Ellie Weekly, Bill Demaine for Mental Floss, Wikipedia, of course, and then other Vanity Fair articles as well.

[667] Carina Longworth.

[668] That's a, you must remember this.

[669] Totally.

[670] That's her.

[671] Yeah.

[672] That's Karina getting her bills paid.

[673] Good for her.

[674] Well, she also does a podcast.

[675] right review and subscribe so she can get more ads please support korena longworth you must remember that's right all right so let's um we're going to delve into phil specter and who he was and what his life was like because it really just paints a picture of what ended up what he ended up doing um so his hair i mean i have no explanation actually i do have an explanation for that okay no okay yeah harvey phillips specter uh is born in 1939 to a first -generation immigrant Jewish family, and they live in the Bronx.

[676] The family first arrived from Ukraine in 1913, and it's highly possible that his parents are first cousins because there's lineage found of their grandfathers.

[677] They were found to be very similar on their naturalization papers.

[678] So this little side note.

[679] In 1949, when Phil is just nine years old, his iron worker father, who has just tons of debt, takes his own life by carbon monoxide exfixiation.

[680] Oh, no. And nine years old.

[681] I mean, it's tragic.

[682] On his tombstone is inscribed Ben Spector, father, husband to know him was to love him.

[683] Phil's allegedly domineering a mother moves the family from New York to Los Angeles in 1953 where she works as a seamstress.

[684] All right.

[685] So Phil goes to Fairfax High School, where he was involved in a Jewish, like, boys club known as the Lockenvars, which I have known about since I was a kid because one such member is none other than Marty Hardstock.

[686] Marty was a lock and bar.

[687] Marty was a lock and bar.

[688] I had no idea Phil Spector was too until Phil Spector died last week.

[689] And my dad forwarded this like chain email from a bunch of like old members.

[690] My dad called it a gang, but it was just a bunch of Jewish boys.

[691] It was club.

[692] And they were all kind of talking about their memories of their friends, Phil Spector, from high school.

[693] And my dad is still super close with those friends from his time.

[694] It's like they were very kind of supported each other.

[695] And partly because they grew up in a time when anti -Semitism was still rampant in L .A. In the 1950s, the Fairfax was known as a, quote, Jewish high school.

[696] And in fact, the principal even taught modern Hebrew class.

[697] And some parents started taking their kids out of Fairfax because the high Jewish population made them uncomfortable.

[698] So L .A., I mean, I've heard stories from my grandparents and parents was very anti -Semitic at the time.

[699] I believe that.

[700] It's just funny or like interesting now to think about that because of the way things are now, like the idea of people taking their kids out of school because Jewish people went there.

[701] Totally.

[702] It's just kind of like, wait, what?

[703] but that's it's that thing of like over the years that kind of racism exposes itself to just be the weirdest most baseless stupid thing but then it's just the more current like that's i think i've told you the story of when i got in trouble because i repeated a slur right um against a mexican student that i heard on the playground and and my aunt jean like slammed on the brakes and was like what why would you ever say that and i was like oh i thought that's what somebody else said i was like yeah grade or something like that and my mother gave me this fucking speech that night that was all about don't you know that the way you know anybody that says that about mexicans now that's exactly what people were saying about your grandparents you know 50 years ago when they emigrated and were living in san francisco when there were signs up that said don't hire the irish so any like those those people are your relatives you might as well think of it in the same way and that that kind that's racist and that kind of like bias is that's who your people are like you can't do it because your people were those people yeah and it was really eye -opening and kind of thank fucking god i made that mistake to to learn that lesson totally and it stuck with you for i mean from second grade on that's also just as a kid and i know not that many kids like second graders listen to this but just don't repeat shit other people say don't believe anything kids say it's They're all fucking making shit up as they go along or repeating stuff, stupid people say.

[704] Yeah.

[705] You got to.

[706] Yeah.

[707] Just don't.

[708] Just don't.

[709] Yeah.

[710] So I think that's why my dad was so close with them and this little group, the lock and bars, which I just, while you were sitting here, I had to get on the phone with my dad and be like, how do you pronounce that again?

[711] So the reason I thought of doing the story is because, as I said, the Phil Spector email went around and my dad forwarded it to me. And they were sharing old memories of their old club member, Phil Spector.

[712] And one of the guys whose name is Robert remembered Phil Spector this way.

[713] I thought he was so friendly, a bit different, perhaps, but so talented and nice to everyone.

[714] We became friends and his mom would ask me to play the piano whenever I came over, which was often.

[715] He was head cheerleader.

[716] And it wasn't hard to recognize he would be a musical success.

[717] He was a head cheerleader.

[718] Yeah.

[719] They also lived down the street.

[720] from my dad, like where my grandma is.

[721] It's just, my dad didn't know him.

[722] He was a couple years ahead of my dad.

[723] Oh, okay.

[724] Yeah.

[725] Head cheerleaders, a little bit of a left turn.

[726] It is.

[727] I didn't see that one coming at all.

[728] It is.

[729] But I think it was, yeah.

[730] I think it was more normal back then for men to be cheerleaders, wasn't it?

[731] Maybe.

[732] Could have been.

[733] Yeah.

[734] But head cheerleader.

[735] He beat out everybody.

[736] This is special.

[737] So Phil, and he was like this short and small and stature guy.

[738] so he probably didn't play a lot of sports, I would assume.

[739] So cheerleader.

[740] He hated his given name Harvey, which he was previously known by.

[741] And he starts going by his middle name, Philip, Phil, but he later has legally changed, legally changed too.

[742] So he becomes obsessed with listening to music on AM radio and it changes his life.

[743] He starts hanging around the music room at Fairfax and he learns the guitar and he performs in school talent shows.

[744] And he starts a band with three of his friends from Fairfax and they form a group called the Teddy Bears.

[745] So he starts hanging out at local recording studios trying to learn music production.

[746] And this guy, Stan Ross, who was an owner and producer of Gold Star Records in Hollywood, takes a shine to him and begins tutoring Phil Spector on music production.

[747] And so from 18th, no, from 1950 to 1984, Gold Star Studios is one of the most important studios in the world.

[748] They have artists like the Beach Boy, and Richie Valens and Jimmy Hendricks and putting out like, you know, world history changing music.

[749] Yeah.

[750] The Who.

[751] And so, and just tons of recording artists perform there and record there.

[752] And I highly suggest the documentary, the wrecking crew.

[753] Yeah.

[754] Which tells Gold Star's history.

[755] It's by filmmaker Denny Tedesco.

[756] It's on Amazon.

[757] It's fucking awesome.

[758] The wrecking crew.

[759] Watch it.

[760] So Phil learns.

[761] the business.

[762] And in 1958, the teddy bears signed to ERA's door records where they get a deal to record two to three of Phil's songs.

[763] One of them being to know him is to love him, inspired by the inscription on his father's tombstone.

[764] And it goes to number one on the billboard's Hot 100 list and sells over a million copies.

[765] And in 1958, they perform on Dick Clark's American Bandstand, which was a huge accomplishment.

[766] Big deal.

[767] Yeah.

[768] And.

[769] And, And meanwhile, this is just an interesting side note.

[770] Phil's mother, Bertha, had encouraged Phil to learn stenography in the meantime.

[771] Got to have a safety net.

[772] That's exactly why.

[773] So he had something to fall back on in case the music thing didn't work out.

[774] Because, you know, Mom's like, what are you fucking doing?

[775] Can you at least just get a degree, please?

[776] No one's letting you just go be in the teddy bears.

[777] Like, that's going to pay your mortgage because that ain't real.

[778] They performed on American Van San once, Phil.

[779] And so between 1957 and 1960, Phil Spector got a job as a part -time court stenographer at the court in downtown Los Angeles, where, among other cases, he worked the Lana Turner, Cheryl Crane murder case that I covered at one of our live shows in L .A., in which Lana's daughter, Cheryl, stabbed Lana's boyfriend Johnny Stomponado to death.

[780] And she was a teenager and she got off.

[781] So he was in that trial.

[782] He was the court stenographer for that trial.

[783] That's insane.

[784] Isn't that random?

[785] And then he was offered the job of doing translation work as a UN interpreter for Fidel Castro.

[786] This is, you're starting to talk out the movie Zellig.

[787] Like, it's like, or Forrest Gump.

[788] He's played by the piece of shit Woody Allen.

[789] Like, it's, they look alike in a weird way.

[790] Actually, Phil Spector met Castro twice in a hotel room, but ultimately.

[791] turns down the most incredible job I've ever heard in my fucking life in order to continue his music career.

[792] So it was probably a big fuck you to his mom.

[793] The teddy bears breakup, so sadly, in 1959.

[794] And after finding success, producing a few records, as well as sitting in as a session musician, Phil found Phil is record, records, so his own record company with famed producer Lester Stills.

[795] So this is when Phil Specter really finds his niche And he develops his trademark wall of sound It's a production formula where I'm going to put this simply Because I don't fucking get it A mixture of all sorts of instruments Are playing at the same time in unison With other instruments joining in layers Along with further layers of vocals It's like this crescendo effect that you I mean it's beautiful But the secret is the echo chamber were the microphones from the studio play into a basement speakers there's microphones they bounce the sound back to the control room to be recorded on tape and that's how the wall of sound works she shrugs she explains she explains unbelievingly get it i get it well you know the um the motown records um they ran a microphone up into the attic to get that same type of sound.

[796] Wow, yeah, that makes sense.

[797] So that's the only reason I kind of get what you're talking about us because I've heard about that.

[798] Yeah.

[799] Yes, and because when I record, well, it's all about the echo and in the attic.

[800] I'd like to think Mike Burns, my research writer, for understanding what the fuck that meant and writing it in layman's terms.

[801] So Spector said in 1964, quote, I was looking for a sound, a strong, a sound so strong, that if the material was not the greatest, the sound would carry the record.

[802] Hey.

[803] It was a case of augmenting it all fit together like a jigsaw.

[804] So you can hear that with the Beach Boys.

[805] Brian Wilson recorded a lot there as well.

[806] And Phil releases legendary songs where you can hear this unique style, including Be My Baby by the Ronettes, which is a fucking legendary classic.

[807] Then He Kissed Me by the Crystals, another beautiful song.

[808] Put your headphones on, you guys.

[809] Put your noise cancel.

[810] headphones on and listen to these songs.

[811] They're moving.

[812] And he signs the righteous brothers in 1965, releasing, you've lost that love and feeling, unchained melody, and you're my soul in inspiration.

[813] So like hit after hit that like defines the era.

[814] So this is why he's so famous when you look at these insane pictures of him in the courtroom.

[815] And you're like, who is this fucking dude?

[816] Like he just changes music.

[817] Yeah.

[818] So by now he's in his early 20s and he's one of the hottest and wealthiest record producers in the world.

[819] Can't get fame that.

[820] You can't get famous and rich that young or you're...

[821] No, you cannot.

[822] No, you cannot.

[823] You are fucked.

[824] You got to go through some shit before you can appreciate some shit, right?

[825] You got to go through some shit before you can buy all the Coke all the time because you and your wall of sound are going to get yourself into some trouble.

[826] That's right.

[827] By the time you're 30 and you're washed up, good luck with that.

[828] So in 1966, Spector signs his final act at Phyllis.

[829] It's P -H -I -L -E -S.

[830] Phillies.

[831] The Phillies?

[832] Are you talking about the Philadelphia Phillies?

[833] No. It's his record company.

[834] His final act is Ike and Tina Turner.

[835] And he considers River Deet, Mountain High, the best thing he's ever produced.

[836] And the fact that the song was initially snubbed by the American audience, he takes it super personally.

[837] And it kind of like changes something in him and made him resent the music industry completely and he just is bitter and he retreats from the business and goes into a state of depression.

[838] Huh.

[839] After one thing that didn't go his way.

[840] Right.

[841] After 20 that did.

[842] Exactly.

[843] Cool.

[844] Sounds like a great state of mind.

[845] Sounds like he's got his shit together in his early 20s.

[846] He's doing probably doing a lot of meditating, a lot of chanting.

[847] Just really grounded sounds like he's of the people.

[848] He's Buddhist, I think.

[849] Sure.

[850] He's reading the Tao of.

[851] Winnie the Pooh, for sure.

[852] So after failing to sell his record company to A &M records in 1967, he becomes a total recluse.

[853] He rarely makes public appearances for a couple years except for playing a drug dealer in 1969's Easy Writer, which I didn't know, and playing himself in a cameo of I Dream of Jeannie.

[854] I guess they were desperate for cameos at that point.

[855] But he does marry his dream girl, Veronica Bennett, who's Ronnie of the Ronnettes.

[856] Who Phil had discovered.

[857] So Phil had discovered her in the group and he helped make them famous with these hits.

[858] And sensing the relationship was doomed due to Phil's erratic emotional behavior, Ronnie's mother turned to her daughter after signing the wedding certificate and said, quote, I just signed your death certificate.

[859] Oh, no. Yeah.

[860] That's not what you.

[861] Well, then why she signed it?

[862] I don't know.

[863] That's not what you want to hear on your wedding day.

[864] Well, maybe it was like she felt like she had no choice and she was just like, you made me. me do this.

[865] Definitely.

[866] Definitely.

[867] You know how you know how much daughters listen to their mothers advice.

[868] Also that band was huge.

[869] Their songs were awesome and I'm sure she was just like this guy made me like he's you know.

[870] That's what it's so um she wrote a memoir in 1990 called be my baby and yeah that's exactly it.

[871] She felt she owed him this she owed him her life, you know.

[872] Sure.

[873] And she actually, he was really controlling and it turns out John Lennett and fell in love with her and offered for the Rannettes to go on tour with the Beatles and she chose Phil Specter over that.

[874] So that's how devoted she was to him.

[875] Wow.

[876] So in Be My Baby, her memoir, she details how Phil Spector psychologically tortures her and purposely ruins her career by not allowing her to perform again.

[877] He's the monster.

[878] He puts a barbed wire around their house and they live in this mansion in Alhambra, California, which is right outside Pasadena, right?

[879] And he gets guard dogs for the yard.

[880] And it's all to keep Ronnie inside the castle, basically, they call it.

[881] If she's given permission to leave, Ronnie has to drive with a life -size inflatable dummy of Phil Spector in the passenger seat.

[882] Okay.

[883] Are we going to talk about what drugs he was on?

[884] Because this is extreme.

[885] Later on, I will tell you about the poppers and what they do to him.

[886] Because Jesus.

[887] Christ.

[888] But I think he was also just this emotionally manipulative, psychotic guy.

[889] Like, I don't even know if drugs were part of it.

[890] I mean, I'm sure they were.

[891] I feel like back then drugs were everyone did speed, you know.

[892] They did.

[893] And also it's when barbed wire comes into a place, you know, like your Alhambra mansion.

[894] Right.

[895] Where no one goes.

[896] But you're like, here's what we need barbed.

[897] And fucking guard dogs.

[898] But to keep you in.

[899] That's the creepiest part.

[900] It's like not even to keep people out.

[901] Yeah.

[902] That's so scary.

[903] awful.

[904] Yeah.

[905] And there's more.

[906] It gets worse.

[907] It always does.

[908] It always fucking does.

[909] So inflatable dummy.

[910] If she's gone for more than 20 minutes, he calls the guards to like find her.

[911] Wow.

[912] She says, quote, I was never around people.

[913] He made sure of that.

[914] And he kept her isolated in the studio where her best friend, who was her backup singer, was like the only person she was allowed to hang out with who was none other than share.

[915] really what what her her backup singer at the time i know wow so the couple adopts a child in 1969 and then okay here's the fucking wackiest wacky thing you've ever heard as a Christmas gift in 1971 Phil surprises Ronnie by bringing home a set of five -year -old twins he adopted a set of five -year -old twins what he adopted a set of five -year -old twins and was like, these are your kids.

[916] Purchased.

[917] Yeah.

[918] Well, adopted.

[919] I don't know.

[920] Let's see that paperwork.

[921] Yeah.

[922] I want to see that Carfax.

[923] That's right.

[924] Jesus.

[925] Did you say I want to do that car fax?

[926] Yeah.

[927] That was, I'm glad I didn't gloss over that because that was an excellent comment.

[928] Thank you.

[929] Of course, she feels like the gesture is to keep, it's just a bid to keep her captive in their marriage and that the children were used as like pawns to keep her there.

[930] yeah um rani goes so far is to purposely start abusing alcohol so she can leave to go to a a meetings oh and there's not and she's like there's nothing for me to do all day but drink i have no i'm not allowed to leave the house i have no freedom i just start drinking um and also oh my god phil puts a gold coffin with a see -through glass top in their basement and promises that he will kill her and display her body there if she tries to leave him so this man is an abusive fucking piece of shit and very insecure yeah yeah I mean that's at least the problems yeah I'm insecure and I've literally done none of those things to my knowledge don't don't ask Vince about that though to my knowledge and then just like your Zoom camera shifts slightly to the left you're like wait Georgia what is that a mausoleum with Vince's name on it why did you get a fucking Doberman Pinscher Jesus Georgia what This wallpaper is so nice.

[931] Why is there so much barbed wire around the top of it?

[932] Why?

[933] It's crazy.

[934] So many questions.

[935] This is like, we're making jokes.

[936] This is a nightmare.

[937] Like we're, this is a, this is a nightmare castle of nightmare.

[938] This is a highly indicted relationship that is, we all know is impossible, feels impossible to escape from because it's, I mean, literally.

[939] literally and physical she deserves to be drink as much as she possibly can Jesus Christ seriously and according to Ronnie Phil said before I let you go you'll be dead terrifying so he also takes away all of her shoes so she can't it makes it harder for her to run away and everyone knows in Alhambra it's just like that's far from anything fucking anywhere this is just so extreme like it's awful it's insane So when she finally does escape with the help of her mother in 1972, she has to do so barefoot and also by sneaking out through the service entrance.

[940] Like her and her mom studied the service entrance to see when it was like possible to run away.

[941] She recalls, quote, my whole survival is through my mom's strength.

[942] I tell other women, if you're in a bad relationship, you have to find one person to help you.

[943] Phil's abuse was mental, not physical, telling me I'll never be successful without him.

[944] And she says that.

[945] It made me say, want to bet?

[946] Can I just say this too?

[947] Yeah.

[948] Meanwhile, Ronnie Spector is one of the most beautiful women.

[949] Her voice is so unique and gorgeous.

[950] Like, the, you know, the Ronnets lead singer, be my baby, like, legendary.

[951] And the, and then, you know, I won't spoil your thing.

[952] But then later when she, like, is in a hit later on, it's like, she looks like she's 25 she's back entirely but that idea he really did rob her of a career because she could have had anything she was perfectly made for show business she was and she was incredibly talented and actually during their divorce in 1974 Ronnie gives up all of the future earnings from her recordings because Phil threatens to have her killed by a hitman if she doesn't so that's hundreds of thousands of not millions of dollars that she has to walk away from you know which is I think A familiar, not that much, but a familiar story for abused women.

[953] Ronnie walks away with a used car, $25 ,000, an alimony of $2 ,500 a month for the duration of five years, all for that fucking torture.

[954] And she has to give up custody of the children because he would regularly pull a gun on her and threaten to murder her if she took them away.

[955] It has to be heartbreaking.

[956] And sadly, the children are also abused, among other things.

[957] Phil keeps them locked in the room as soon as they get home from school every day, and they just are stuck there.

[958] So Ronnie is finally able to relaunch her career, but finds difficulty finding chart success until she appears on Eddie Money's 1986 iconic hit, Take Me Home Tonight, which goes on to number four.

[959] And despite Phil's objections, Ronnie and the Ronnettes are included into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, among other continuing successes.

[960] So she made it.

[961] Yes, she did.

[962] Big time.

[963] I mean, she was like a huge part of that video too.

[964] I mean, I was 16 when that song came out.

[965] So ironically, during all this chaos, Phil Spector is mounting a major comeback.

[966] Spector was working with George Harrison.

[967] And when Lenin wanted George in the studio for his record, Instant Karma, he asked Phil Spector to come into the recording session.

[968] They recorded it in one day.

[969] Phil Specter mixed it on the spot.

[970] with his wall of sound style and the single was put out in the same week.

[971] Phil Spector would go on to produce further solo albums by both George Harrison and John Lennon.

[972] And they liked his work so much that they brought him to England to fix the Beatles' abandoned recordings for their Let It Be album, which was previously assumed to be a complete wash. So this is fucking historical shit, you know.

[973] But he is slowly beginning to act more erratic and more eccentric.

[974] in 1973 he's hired by John Lennon to produce his new album of covers and Phil starts appearing at the studio wearing wild costumes like quote surgeon or karate guy and he always has a gun in a holster on him he's also frequently high on the inhalant amyl nitrate amyl nitrate otherwise known as poppers hell yeah okay here's an interesting fact I didn't know Poppers are officially used as an angina heart medication or to treat cyanide poisoning, but they become popular in the 70s and 80s drug culture, okay, ready for why, as it causes the throat and anus to relax and gives you a short high.

[975] Yeah, so all things that we've always wanted in our life.

[976] Yes, yes.

[977] And jokingly, quote, one night, Spector pulls out his gun and surprises John Lennon by firing rate off in the studio by Lennon's ear.

[978] John Lennon screams at Phil.

[979] Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me, but don't fuck with my ears.

[980] I need him, but in a British accent.

[981] He would chase John Lennon around the studio with a gun, threatening to shoot him while he was drunker on drugs.

[982] And of course, John Lennon later dies of a gunshot wound.

[983] So that's just kind of fucked up.

[984] Throughout the 70s and following his divorce from Ronnie, Phil becomes more crazed and reclusive, especially following a car crash in 1974 where he's thrown from the window of his car.

[985] And I guess he looked dead, but a cop found a faint pulse.

[986] And after several hours of surgeries at UCLA Medical Center for his massive head injuries resulting in 300 face stitches and 400 stitches to the back of his head still survives.

[987] but he's presumably super scarred up, which is why he starts wearing his notoriously outrageous wigs.

[988] Can I ask, sorry, what year was that car accident again?

[989] 74.

[990] Oh, wow.

[991] Why, wow.

[992] No, I just, I wasn't sure.

[993] I just wasn't sure of like where in the timeline we were.

[994] That's, okay.

[995] Crazy.

[996] Yeah, so he's already going a little fucking psychotic, but then this kind of massive head injury, we all know what that does.

[997] Not great.

[998] Not great.

[999] Not good.

[1000] No. So Phil will go on to work with other notable musicians like Leonard Cohen, and they get shit -faced on booze, write 12 songs, but the, and again, he's drunk on Manashevitz, which I find stereotypical, and I resent that as a Jew.

[1001] He's being a real, he's been a real hack as a Jewish man. Can we just get a bottle of like Josh, or can we get a bottle of, you know, what's that Stella?

[1002] I don't know.

[1003] So he pulls a gun on him during an argument and, you know, doesn't kill him, obviously.

[1004] But the album's a massive failure.

[1005] And Cohen remembers from the studio recordings that they were, that they were, quote, armed to the teeth.

[1006] You were slipping over bullets and biting into revolvers in your hamburger.

[1007] So, like, you don't need to be that armed in a studio friend.

[1008] I mean, it is very indicative of what the 70s.

[1009] what was going on in the 70s, which was in, I would guess.

[1010] And from the little that I know about like the music industry in the 70s, it was like, whatever the fuck anyone wants to do, they get to do plus three, three lines of cocaine a minute.

[1011] As long as you're successful, you will not be punished for anything, any behavior.

[1012] Yeah, if you get the hit going, no one gives a shit how you got it there.

[1013] So you shoot John Lennon in the ear, well, then whatever.

[1014] Right.

[1015] Which I feel like is similar to today.

[1016] in the fucking entertainment industry.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] Oh, it reminds me of boogie nights, kind of.

[1019] It's just that, like, psychotic, what is everyone doing?

[1020] Nobody knows because they're all high on drugs.

[1021] Yeah, and also, I think poppers, like, as an inhalant drug like that, I mean, it makes me think of, it's just like, I think that does also affect your brain.

[1022] Like nitrous, like taking hits of nitrous.

[1023] It's not great.

[1024] I don't think it's good for you.

[1025] No, you pop brain cells.

[1026] You can hear them while you're high.

[1027] like little um like uh what are those candies that pop in your mouth pop rocks pop rocks yes or zots depending on what side of the country you're from around this time debby harry of course of blondie is invited by phil to his mansion to discuss working together shortly after arriving she says he pulled a gun on her and says quote that notorious thing he does he stuck it in my boot and went bang, I thought, get me out of here.

[1028] Why would anyone be carrying a 45 automatic in their own house?

[1029] Yeah.

[1030] So even she, like, fucking latered and could tell that he was psychotic.

[1031] But he has a pattern of pulling guns on people is what this is all illustrating.

[1032] They normalized the gun pulling.

[1033] That's right.

[1034] That's just how he is, they say.

[1035] If you want the wall of sounds, that's what you have to put up with, they say.

[1036] That's right.

[1037] Little lady.

[1038] So then in 1979, the Ramones hire Phil Spector and realize that there are what they say are two fills.

[1039] There's nice and evil Phil.

[1040] Sometimes he dressed in casual clothes.

[1041] He's easygoing and funny.

[1042] And sometimes he wears a cape, sunglasses, and is derogatory, mean, abusive, and only wants things done his way.

[1043] One story that D .D. Ramon tells is that he was trying to leave the studio after a long session.

[1044] And Phil pulls out of revolvers and says, you're not going.

[1045] anywhere.

[1046] Phil Spector was later asked by Vanity Fair, what's your greatest fear?

[1047] And he answered, quote, that God won't let me into heaven because I'm too evil.

[1048] And the devil won't let me into hell because he's afraid I'll take over.

[1049] Which is like, dude, you're not that great.

[1050] Dude, dial it back.

[1051] You know, let's go to them.

[1052] Self -held podcast, right?

[1053] Yeah, really.

[1054] Go to a meeting.

[1055] Like, it's very grandiose.

[1056] Very grandiose.

[1057] So he made the Ramon's end of the century.

[1058] Which what didn't do well at the time, but everyone, no, it's like a classic.

[1059] Aside from a small handful of other things, like being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by Tina Turner in 1989, Phil basically disappears from between 1981 until 2003, where he reenters the public eye for the worst possible of reasons after meeting the beautiful actress and model, Lana Clarkson.

[1060] So let me talk to you, Karen, about Lana Clarkson.

[1061] Okay.

[1062] So she's born in 1962.

[1063] She's raised in the hills of Sonoma County, California, pointing at you.

[1064] After her father's death in 1978, she moves to Southern California and pursues a career as an actress and model.

[1065] And I cannot overstate how fucking beautiful she was.

[1066] I mean, like Heather Locklear style, Charlie's Angels, beautiful.

[1067] Yeah, she looked like a Vogue model.

[1068] Yeah.

[1069] like not just like not just kind of like TV actress beautiful but yeah she like she would have been in the car a car's video you know the band the car is not a video for the Toyota Corolla or you know so do that do do do okay in the early 80s she gets bit parts in film and television then in 1982 she makes her movie debut as a minor character in fast times at Ridgemount High in which she plays the unexpected like the joke is that she's as unexpectedly super hot wife of the nerdy science teacher Mr. Vargas, played by Vincent Skiyvelli, who's this fucking incredible actor.

[1070] So you remember that part where like at the dance?

[1071] He introduces his wife to the kids and they're like, oh, I didn't realize that was her.

[1072] I know.

[1073] Isn't that's yeah, that's so good.

[1074] So she goes on to perform in the laundry list of small television and film roles and projects like Scarface, Three's Company, Night Rider and numerous major commercials.

[1075] But her niche is the main role she has in several 1980s sci -fi -b movies for producer Roger Corman, who's known as the Pope of Pop Cinema.

[1076] And he started a lot of famous people's careers.

[1077] And it made her a cult hero.

[1078] And she becomes a favorite at comic book conventions where she makes promotional appearances and signs autographs for her fans.

[1079] And she's also personally, an incredibly kind person.

[1080] In the 80s, Lana spends time every week.

[1081] at the HIV AIDS charity Project Angel Food, which delivers food to people who can't provide for themselves, whether physically or because they've been shunned by others because of their diagnosis.

[1082] So she does that weekly.

[1083] Well, coming into her 30s, Clarkson's career stalls and she can't get enough work to live on anymore.

[1084] Classic story.

[1085] She makes a little money selling autograph copies of her movies and chatting with fans behind early paywall message boards.

[1086] So this is like the late 90s.

[1087] I know.

[1088] I forgot that was a thing.

[1089] In her acting career, she made a living by playing these bombshells, these like hot ladies.

[1090] But her desire was to be cast in comedic roles or perform as a comedian.

[1091] And she even began work as a stand -up on a stand -up set.

[1092] And she also developed, wrote, produced, and directed a showcase reel called Lana Unleashed.

[1093] But by January 2003 at 40 years old, she needed to make ends meet.

[1094] So she took a part -time side job at the House of Blues in West Hollywood on the sunset strip.

[1095] It's closed now, huh?

[1096] Yeah.

[1097] I think they knocked the whole building down.

[1098] Yeah.

[1099] And that's where in the early hours of February 3rd, 2003, she meets Phil Spector.

[1100] Oh, wow.

[1101] Okay.

[1102] I know.

[1103] And I can't, I can't find a real explanation of why she agreed to go back to his house with him.

[1104] But I bet he was persuasive.

[1105] I bet he was promising her he could help with her career.

[1106] it sounds like because when she they took they went Phil's driver drove them in their limo to his house and she says to him while she's exiting that she says to the driver I'm only staying for one drink so it seems like she was like all right you know he was persuasive I'll go how we can talk and have one drink but probably could tell that this was not someone she you know this is this is the story of so many people in Los Angeles because it's it's a town filled with people who have gotten you know four good jobs and then you know some time has passed and now they're just like what the hell am i going to do now and pivoting and parlaying things and other things and that this is and it is just a feeding ground for powerful men who just want to go around and pick people out and that's just it's how it is and i think you know the we're joking about it whatever but i'm sure that like they were saying like i think d rome said it's like there was a good side it's like there was a good to him, which I'm sure that's how he continued to work.

[1107] He's charming.

[1108] He's persuasive.

[1109] He's amicable.

[1110] He's, he must have made it easy for people to believe he was going to be okay with them.

[1111] Totally.

[1112] Because if you come out like, you know, shooting off guns, everyone's going to go, that guy's fucking crazy.

[1113] So he must have been good enough for enough of the time.

[1114] Totally.

[1115] That people were like, he's still this legend.

[1116] Yeah.

[1117] So they get and she, sorry, but she, if she's working at the House of Blues, which is a musical venue, he is a living legend from the music business.

[1118] So, like, that means something.

[1119] Like everyone there was like fawning over him and he wants to take her home and talk about her career.

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] No, you're totally right.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] So they go in the house.

[1124] The driver stays in the driveway and an hour later, the driver hears a gunshot from inside the house.

[1125] And then Phil Specter comes out of the rear of the house carrying a 38 Colt Cobra Revolver and tells the.

[1126] driver quote, I think I just shot her.

[1127] The driver calls 911 and police arrived to find a single gunshot to Lana's mouth and she's dead.

[1128] Spector is eventually charged with murder.

[1129] He remains free on a million dollar bond and is allowed to stay in his beautiful Alhambra mansion until his trial starts in March of 2007.

[1130] So four fucking years.

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] Yeah, that's how it is for rich people.

[1133] For bonds, you don't have to stay in prison.

[1134] That's simple.

[1135] To justice systems.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] The trial is shown live on television from the Los Angeles Superior Court.

[1138] It's allowed by Judge Larry Paul Fiddler and it becomes a circus.

[1139] Did you watch any of it back then?

[1140] I remember seeing it, but I didn't.

[1141] Yeah, I just remember that his hair, his daily hair check -in, basically.

[1142] Well, and it sucks because.

[1143] his, like, he was upstaging the importance and the, like, seriousness of what was happening there.

[1144] So suddenly he's walking in with this, you know, it looked like he'd basically rotted his hair out, like, you know, two feet out from his head.

[1145] And then that's what everyone's laughing and talking about.

[1146] And he's there for fucking murder.

[1147] Totally.

[1148] It's like, it was it was so similar.

[1149] And down to Dominic Dunn covering it.

[1150] That's the O .J. Simpson trial.

[1151] And like, yeah, I think everyone was at the time like, oh, shit, is he going to get acquitted to?

[1152] Like, you know, it was this a beautiful woman who was killed by this jealous, crazy man, you know, who's fucked up.

[1153] So it quickly becomes a circus and it's only partially a circus because of Phil Spector's crazy wigs and these flamboyant suits he had on.

[1154] But the whole trial itself was a spectacle.

[1155] The prosecution points out that Phil Spector has a history of pulling firearms on women.

[1156] He is romantically or wants to be romantic.

[1157] involved with.

[1158] So she was in the foyer, probably trying to leave at the time when she was shot.

[1159] And that's his, his, his MO.

[1160] This usually occurs after he's rejected in some capacity.

[1161] It's when he pulls out his gun.

[1162] And each time he points a gun at the woman attempting to leave his presence.

[1163] And he, a habit he also frequents with artists in the studio.

[1164] So they point this all out.

[1165] There's a fucking pattern.

[1166] At his trial, numerous former female acquaintances.

[1167] testify that he had pulled a gun on them when they attempted to leave him and his ex -wife Ronnie also testifies against him.

[1168] Nice.

[1169] Meanwhile, these pieces of shit, despite their public vows not to do so, the defense attempts to completely trash Lana's name in an attempt to convince the jury.

[1170] Here's their argument that Lana being devastated that her career was over, shot herself in the foyer, herself on purpose.

[1171] That's dirty fucking business.

[1172] dirty how do you sleep at night i think i actually remember that i remember this these kind of stages of things happening and when and when that became the defense yeah people were very upset about it yeah and meanwhile they didn't even bring that up until then despite and and the fact that he had said i think i just shot her quote it was just ludicrous i think nobody nobody believed it right so they call her best friends quote on quote.

[1173] They're called to testify against her character.

[1174] So her quote unquote best friends who are just trying to get book deals probably are being called to fucking testify against her character.

[1175] Dominic Dunn in Vanity Fair says, quote, after their declarations of friendship and love, they took their poor dead friend apart with anecdote after anecdote making it appear that Lana was in such a state of abject despair over the failure of her life.

[1176] By the way, she's 40.

[1177] Like, it's not 40 gorgeous, smart enough to continually like parlay her past things into something else.

[1178] Totally.

[1179] Yeah.

[1180] Objective despair of the failure of her life that shooting herself in the mouth in a stranger's house was a totally logical step for her to take.

[1181] Ludicrous.

[1182] And her mom and sister are like in the courtroom every day having to hear this bullshit.

[1183] Dirty.

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] So expert witnesses are called including the distinguished forensic scientist Dr. Michael Baden, who's paid a hundred.

[1186] $110 ,000 for his testimony for the defense, giving scientific, quote, proof that Lana killed herself.

[1187] So, of course, both sides have expert witnesses.

[1188] They're fucking paid to argue whatever their side wants.

[1189] And in fact, in 2007, a judge rules that renowned forensic expert for the defense, Henry Lee, who we're all familiar with, he also worked as an expert in trials for John Bonae Ramsey, O .J. Simpson, and Lacey, Pete.

[1190] He's famous, that he hid or destroyed an object from the scene, either an acrylic fingernail or a towel that had blood on it to make it seem like she had taken her own life.

[1191] What?

[1192] Yeah.

[1193] And he denies such allegations, but a judge ruled that he did do it.

[1194] Wow.

[1195] So they were both testifying for the defense.

[1196] Okay.

[1197] That Lana killed herself.

[1198] I mean, again, that's a thing of like they, he has more money.

[1199] than God.

[1200] So they can hire anyone they want and the people will be more and more legit seeming.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] To get that story.

[1203] God, that's dirty.

[1204] It's estimated that he spent between $8 and $10 million on legal fees.

[1205] Oh my God.

[1206] I know.

[1207] Wow.

[1208] Here's a side note and what an asshole, to demonstrate what an asshole Phil Spector is, in case we didn't already know, in the midst of all this in 2007, Phil Specter goes to known woman beater, Ike Turner's funeral.

[1209] and he gives a eulogy, and during the whole thing, he takes shots at Tina Turner's autobiographies saying that it was, quote, a badly written book and that it demonized and vilified Ike, which is like known that he, Ike beat demonized and vilified Ike.

[1210] Yeah, he did it.

[1211] Ike did that.

[1212] He said, Phil said, quote, Ike made Tina the jewel she was.

[1213] When I went to see Ike play at the synagogue in the 90s, there were at least five Tina Turner.

[1214] on the stage performing that night, any one of them could have been, could have been Tina Turner.

[1215] I mean, you're kidding yourself.

[1216] Funeral, eulogizing while you're on trial for murder.

[1217] Can you imagine being in that fucking audience?

[1218] But also, it's, that's one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever heard or it's like Tina Turner.

[1219] Yeah, Tina Turner.

[1220] The legendary Tina Turner.

[1221] There's no one like Tina Turner in the world or we would have known about them already.

[1222] Exactly.

[1223] So he's up there eulogizing by the line.

[1224] lying his fucking, I mean, that's psychotic.

[1225] It's crazy.

[1226] It shows you what a fucking misogynist he was and that he obviously just hated women and, you know, it's just, he's fucking crazy.

[1227] So he spent 8 to 10 million on legal fees, but ultimately the jury is fucking deadlocked with two jurors holding out against a guilty verdict.

[1228] The judge declares a mistrial and a retrial of the now 68 year old Phil Specter begins on October 20th, 2008.

[1229] So we're going to go through it all over again.

[1230] Fortunately, this time, TV cameras aren't allowed in the courtroom.

[1231] But the case doesn't go to jury until March 26, 2009.

[1232] And it only takes, like, less than a month for the jury to find Phil Spector guilty.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] And actually, I want, go ahead.

[1235] I was just going to theorize that maybe there were some jurors maybe got bribed, perhaps.

[1236] Well, there was like one juror who lived down the street.

[1237] from him in Alhambra and like star fucked him kind of and was like I saw him with grocery store one so like clearly had like a thing of him or him and then there was another one who just seemed like another um misogynist you know they didn't seem like they were judging based on the facts right right um so when he so when they're in trial reading the verdict they they thought that Phil they definitely thought Phil Spector was going to be a suicide risk and maybe had brought in a capsule of cyanide with him.

[1238] So they put, um, like the security on him that if he, when the verdict was read that if he moved towards his pocket, they were to tackle him.

[1239] No, no. I'm laughing about the idea that they would, they would tackle that tiny permed -haired lunatic.

[1240] Right.

[1241] But it didn't happen.

[1242] So he sentenced to 19 years to life in state prison.

[1243] On February, in 2012, Donna Clarkson, Lana's mother settled a civil suit against his insurance company for an undisclosed amount, which we all hope is millions and millions.

[1244] Yes.

[1245] God, please.

[1246] Numerous loophole appeals of all sorts continue, and I'm sure, fucking devastate Lana's family for years and years until they're all denied in 2015.

[1247] Phil Spector, his health was already deteriorating.

[1248] You mean, you could tell just by looking at them due to various things, including having lost the ability to speak from laryngeal papillopatosis, uh, dies in the prison California health care facility in Stockton, California of COVID -19 complications.

[1249] Oh, shit.

[1250] Uh -huh.

[1251] On January 21st, like a week and a half ago, 2021 at the age of 81.

[1252] I did not know it was COVID related.

[1253] That's, I wouldn't be.

[1254] didn't even notice this.

[1255] It was a passing thing until my dad sent me that email.

[1256] And I was like, what the fuck?

[1257] I will say that in the email, a lot of the guys acknowledged what he did.

[1258] They weren't all like, good memories of Phil Spector.

[1259] It was like, yeah, he became a monster.

[1260] So I don't want to, right, right.

[1261] I don't want to sully the Lockenviers.

[1262] Sorry.

[1263] He wasn't that person.

[1264] He wasn't, he developed into that monster.

[1265] Exactly.

[1266] And I don't even know if they all kept in touch with him.

[1267] So let's end on a positive note, Ronnie Spector in 2018, while Phil Spector was in prison, said, quote, what I went through made me great.

[1268] I was determined nobody would ever keep me down again.

[1269] I won.

[1270] Phil's where he is and I'm going all over the world.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] And that is the murder of Lana Clarkson by the monster Phil Specter.

[1273] Oh, that's amazing.

[1274] Great job.

[1275] Thank you.

[1276] Someone recently, because I was reading an article, about this murderer and someone made the very valid and very sad point that because you I remember like when you heard about this story and this happens a lot I think with just our very strange media bias that we all have where it's like oh this really beautiful woman and she's in this old rich guy's house right you all know what that means exactly which I hate like there's all this assumed stuff and someone was like this woman was murdered by a man she knew for one day right like that's it's it's it's the nightmare it is it's someone that she thought oh he just wants oh this happens to me oh this yeah interesting i bet you he was like i'm gonna show you my x y or z interesting rich guy thing and but just that idea that she was just there of like me you know like we'll see and she gets murdered is it it's such a tragedy he pulls who would have thought he pull a fucking gun out like that's just yeah and also he's like rich and professional and well known no one would think that they were also, you know, you just don't, it's, it's a fucked up world for a bunch, it really is.

[1277] For a bunch of fucking machismo, a tragedy, pieces of shit.

[1278] So yeah, it's an absolute tragedy wishing her family, love and happiness.

[1279] So, wow, that's a big one.

[1280] That's good.

[1281] I like when they're, you know, like updates, like a recent, a recent one of like, hey, this just happened.

[1282] I like that.

[1283] Hey, guess what COVID did?

[1284] Do you want to do a couple of?

[1285] Fucking hooray.

[1286] Yes.

[1287] Let's do it.

[1288] All right.

[1289] Want to go first?

[1290] Do you want me to go first?

[1291] You can go first.

[1292] Okay.

[1293] This is from Brianna Anna Vey.

[1294] I waited so long for this, but I finally have a fucking hooray.

[1295] As of Friday, I will have finally completed my 1 ,600 hours of cosmetology school.

[1296] Hey.

[1297] A little party emoji with a, you know, which allows me to take my state board exam for my license.

[1298] After a couple failed attempts to attend college, moving.

[1299] back home and being completely lost in life.

[1300] I'm finally doing what makes me happy.

[1301] Yay.

[1302] I haven't felt this motivated to finish something in so long.

[1303] And it's such an amazing feeling.

[1304] At almost 24, I have to remind myself, I still have time in life.

[1305] And I know.

[1306] Remember when we were like, I'm running out of time.

[1307] No, but you know what?

[1308] I'm not laughing at because that is the age where you're comparing yourself to people that you went to high school or college with.

[1309] And certain people have, are on a thing, a trajectory or whatever.

[1310] So we're not laughing at you.

[1311] No, no, no. We're laughing at how so insane much time you have.

[1312] You're very young.

[1313] Yes.

[1314] At almost 24, I have to remind myself.

[1315] I still have time in life and need to slow down to make myself happy.

[1316] Thank you for giving me a distraction during such a crazy year and also getting me through Cosmo School, SSTGM, Brianna.

[1317] Kudos to you.

[1318] So jealous.

[1319] I'm so jealous of cosmetology school.

[1320] I quit after three months, six months.

[1321] I quit cosmetology.

[1322] college school.

[1323] It's fucking hard.

[1324] It's hard, right?

[1325] Good luck on your exams.

[1326] Get real good at it.

[1327] You make that good money.

[1328] That's fucking right.

[1329] Congratulations.

[1330] Okay, mine is from, the name is Caroline Gant.

[1331] It says, my fucking hooray is for my amazing sister, Lauren, L -O -R -E -N.

[1332] She not only introduced me to your podcast a few years ago, which had gotten me to so much.

[1333] Two or through?

[1334] Probably through.

[1335] I don't know if we helped help.

[1336] People travel to places.

[1337] We actually, oh, I gave this girl a ride.

[1338] No, no. Sorry.

[1339] But she is also a NICU nurse at a public hospital.

[1340] She is such a hero to those babies and is also my hero.

[1341] And I will be going to the law school in her same city next year.

[1342] Can't wait to be close to her again.

[1343] SSTGM and fucking hooray for sisters.

[1344] Oh.

[1345] Yes.

[1346] Nick, yes, thank you.

[1347] Man, you guys are heroes.

[1348] Yep.

[1349] All health care workers.

[1350] Thank you.

[1351] Thank you.

[1352] The light at the end of the tunnel is coming.

[1353] I hope so.

[1354] This is from authentic underscore and underscore imperfect.

[1355] Authentic and imperfect on Instagram.

[1356] I just want to say that I listened to this episode while it was sitting super nervously at a breast imaging center waiting for a mammogram and an ultrasound after finding a lump a few months back.

[1357] Hearing Stephen get so excited about saying a number.

[1358] made me snort laugh out loud and get lots of confused looks Stephen Thank you for that Especially at a time when I needed it And hashtag fucking array For the lump being basically nothing And then a prayer hands And a lady dancing emoji Nice Yay, congratulations Everyone get your boobies checked Yep It's important Okay this one is from P K L Z, D, M, R, C, O. Okay.

[1359] Pickles de Marco.

[1360] Oh.

[1361] If I had to guess, I would say Pickles to Marko.

[1362] Oh, that's my new fucking baby's name.

[1363] Sure.

[1364] This is a tiny hashtag fucking hooray today is that my six -year -old niece has a classmate named Janet.

[1365] A kindergartner named Janet is so precious and funny to me. Oh my God.

[1366] A little baby Janet in kindergarten.

[1367] One of my best friends is pregnant and I offered her $100 to name her baby Deborah.

[1368] Turn me down.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] Nice one guys.

[1371] This week's good.

[1372] Send us your fucking hooray.

[1373] I think that we all need them right now and I feel like every win these days is like bigger than it feels bigger than before because they're so hard to come by or they were so hard to come by the last four years.

[1374] we're all breathing a sigh of relief and are able to celebrate our wins so you know and we I was actually just talking to my therapist about this that sometimes it's like there's the sigh of relief but then it's almost like as the shock wears off you can actually start feeling your wounds again so there might be um give yourself time because there might be like in your relief there's a a relief feeling that also then it's like oh why isn't my life perfect again or why isn't everything feel great and in and in and you you have to just be just remember to be kind with to yourself and stay present because uh you know it is people more and more people are getting that vaccine more and more yeah um you know we're looking to we're looking toward an ending of this instead of being stuck in the middle of it with like no ride home which was such a stressful feeling for so long yeah like that we can tell ourselves the truth which is that that's not the case anymore and i um even though we're way at the beginning of the end.

[1375] It's still the beginning of the end, which is nice.

[1376] My therapist knows I love analogies.

[1377] It's like how my brain works.

[1378] So she told me that like, for example, like not drinking and suddenly being able to feel feelings and how much I fucking hate that.

[1379] But she was like, imagine the backseat of your car is filled with trash that you've just been throwing back there and throwing back there and not dealing with and not dealing with.

[1380] You don't know look at it at all.

[1381] But when you suddenly stop your car at a stop sign out of nowhere all that trash is going to come piling forward into the front seat and burying you and you're going to feel like it's forever but you just have to sift through that trash and take it out of your car and clean out your car and it slowly goes away so yeah i thought that was a really great analogy and that's a great analogy and remember actually it the reality of it is they're feelings and thoughts so they're not real it's not even actually trash it's just stuff that your brain serves up to defend you and keep you safe, but that actually you are in charge of and you can choose you know, how dire you make it, how big you make it.

[1382] All of it is your choice.

[1383] That's very true.

[1384] Thank you.

[1385] Love it.

[1386] Gosh.

[1387] Thanks, you guys.

[1388] We're so lucky to be able to talk at you every week and you can talk back at us.

[1389] And we appreciate that.

[1390] It's a nice.

[1391] It's a nice thing.

[1392] Yeah.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] So, you know, stay sexy.

[1395] And don't get murdered.

[1396] Goodbye.

[1397] Elvis, do you want a cookie?