Rupert Grint

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] Happy Monday.

[2] I'm your doctor, Daniel Shepard.

[3] This doctor.

[4] We're joined by your surgeon, Monica Mouse.

[5] Hello.

[6] Can I take one second to say that our sweet, sweet friend Wabiwob hasn't been with us this year.

[7] He's been working remotely.

[8] He has.

[9] And I don't want anyone to think that we've forgotten about sweet Wobby Wob or that we don't value him the most.

[10] We talk about Laura sometimes.

[11] she comes up with the guests and I just want everyone to know that we fucking love Wobby Waw.

[12] So much.

[13] And we value him so much and he's our spirit animal.

[14] Yeah.

[15] Okay.

[16] On to Rupert Grent.

[17] Rupert Grent.

[18] You must know him as Ron Weasley from the Harry Potter film series.

[19] Of course, Monica was all a titter and a flutter about this guest.

[20] You were a flutter because you think he's the most handsome man in the world.

[21] He's so handsome.

[22] Is it all right to say?

[23] handsome in our underage?

[24] You were so taken aback by his maturedity.

[25] Yeah, in his sexiness.

[26] Maturement.

[27] The fact that he matured in such a beautiful way in front of your eyes, you enjoyed that.

[28] I really did.

[29] I was really excited.

[30] It was like a pop -out, but like a really positive pop -out.

[31] So, of course, he was in all eight Harry Potter's.

[32] Also, Sick Note, Moonwalkers, and he is on a show that I have since gotten addicted to because we interviewed him called Servant on Apple.

[33] TV Plus.

[34] It's so creepy and so yummy.

[35] I really do recommend it.

[36] So please enjoy Rupert Grint.

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[40] Good morning.

[41] Well, again, good afternoon.

[42] How are you doing?

[43] Good.

[44] I'm so glad we tried again.

[45] Yeah.

[46] I think it's all good now.

[47] I've got a really good feeling about it.

[48] Yeah, me too.

[49] I think it might have been a blessing in disguise, Rupert, because I ended up watching three in a row the servant.

[50] Oh, really?

[51] Wow.

[52] Oh, and I am addicted now.

[53] So I think this was oddly like a wonderful thing that happened.

[54] Oh, my God.

[55] Is it creepy?

[56] I can't wait for Monica to watch it.

[57] But I'm afraid you probably won't be able to watch it by yourself.

[58] Is it scary?

[59] It's kind of a different scare.

[60] It's not really so many jumps, jump scares.

[61] It's just generally disturbing.

[62] Yeah, it's not pop -outy, and it's not gory, but it's twisted.

[63] But the food is kind of gory, I find.

[64] There's loads of cooking in it and, like, eels.

[65] Oh, the eel scene is insane.

[66] Oh, I was thinking, boy, that must really be how they do it, huh?

[67] They nail an eel to a board?

[68] Yeah, they've really researched how you were doing.

[69] Originally in the script, it was kind of impossible because it's such a slippery thing.

[70] So they kept this idea of nailing it to a board, kind of like stigmata.

[71] Yeah, very stigmata.

[72] It won't be giving too much away about it because you find this out in like the first 10 minutes of the pilot.

[73] But Monica, here's the premise.

[74] A couple has a baby and the baby's probably 11 months old in the story.

[75] And they hire a nanny that they found from a farm in Wisconsin.

[76] and she arrives and they show around the house she's very modest and meek and we find out on the first night she prays she's religious she's very quiet and at night we see the father go into the baby's bedroom and sit by the crib and he's crying and we see that the baby is a doll it's like a really life -like doll and so you're like oh my god what the fuck is going on and then in the morning the new nanny gets up and she goes in there and she says wake up and she takes a baby to the stand and you keep waiting for her to realize it's a doll and she just never does oh wow and then so she brings the baby down and then the mom's going to go to work that's why they got the nanny she wants to return to work and the mom leaves and he basically says like you don't have to pretend.

[77] You don't have to pretend.

[78] Like you can go out, you know, she's grieving.

[79] We lost our son.

[80] Oh, God.

[81] And she's so confused by what he's saying.

[82] He's like, what are you talking about?

[83] And then Rupert plays the mom's brother.

[84] And what a wonderful departure for you.

[85] You're like a Philadelphia guy.

[86] I don't know yet, but you seem to have a drinking problem.

[87] Yeah, among other things.

[88] Yeah, he's kind of like everything you can take.

[89] Yeah.

[90] Very different to anything I've done before.

[91] But he's just, yeah, he's such a douchebag.

[92] Yeah, well, what's interesting is everyone is unlikable.

[93] Yeah.

[94] And I was thinking the whole time if I had created the show and I was casting people, I'd have to have a conversation with them that would go like this, like, listen, you can't get protective of your character.

[95] You're an asshole.

[96] Like, you have to If you want to come on to this project, you have to commit to being very unlikable and not protect yourself.

[97] And I wonder if there was any conversation like that.

[98] Not so much, no, because I mean, really, especially in season one, everything was kind of shrouded and mystery.

[99] Night kind of, we didn't really get all the scripts.

[100] We didn't really know where it was going.

[101] And I think it's actually, it's in me somewhere, this kind of dark side.

[102] Of course.

[103] I really loved tuning into that.

[104] So yes, you as a human being, of course, are multifaceted like we all are.

[105] You're a piece of shit some days and you're shockingly kind of benevolent on other days.

[106] But I'd imagine you have a similar thing that happens here with actors and singers who are on the Mickey Mouse Club.

[107] Sure, yeah, yeah.

[108] Where they go in like one of two directions.

[109] Like they have to reclaim their adulthood.

[110] They have to like, and often the singers have done it through like really outward sexuality.

[111] Like, no, no, I'm done with Mickey Mouse Club.

[112] And now I'm a sexual being and you're going to have to just accept that.

[113] You mean Disney?

[114] Specifically, the Mickey Mouse Club, like Britney Spears, Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, Miley Cyrus, that's Disney.

[115] Okay, right.

[116] Okay, now it's under your point.

[117] Yeah, now I'm mixing metaphors.

[118] But I do wonder, like, as you were doing all of the Harry Potter movies, did you at all fear, like, oh, I'm not going to be able to be multifaceted.

[119] I'm going to be, you know, safe.

[120] Yeah, I mean, John, I really wasn't kind of aware of it.

[121] really thinking about it.

[122] For me, I was just all about the books.

[123] I was a huge fan of the books and I was obsessed with that character.

[124] So for me, it was all about being wrong.

[125] I didn't really see kind of career after Potter was done.

[126] I didn't really see that far ahead.

[127] But I guess, yeah, there was definitely a time where it felt quite suffocating because, I mean, it was it was heavy going.

[128] It was kind of every day for, I think, 10 years in the end.

[129] Yeah, that is wild.

[130] Almost no one's even been on a TV show for 10 years.

[131] Yeah, it's a long time The movies take a year to shoot And I mean, it was a great experience It's such a nice kind of family atmosphere It was always kind of all the same crew We kind of grew up with So it was it was a great place to be But sometimes it definitely felt like I want to do something else See what else is out there Yeah, well I would imagine just the sentencing of it Like at some point it must occur to you like Oh man, great Oh my God, we got four more books To go oh God, you guys are going to split the last book into two like it's almost like a sentence like just i guess something about if you do a movie the notion of it becoming a sequel's like you would wish for it because it doesn't happen to barely any movies yeah and so it's all like mental framing but if you enter something knowing that there's going to be seven of them minimally and then ultimately eight i could see where we would start to feel like homework to do like well we got to get this done yeah yeah it's for sure and that kind of grew as we went along because i think when we first started only maybe three or four books were out and it was originally only going to be two movies and they were going to kind of see how it goes and yeah I mean it just never ended it just every year you came back and it was kind of like Groundhog Day because it was always the same sets it was the same people but it was great I loved it I still have I mean it's 20 years ago this year when the first film came out it's just insane it's hard for me I've got a very different perspective of it now that I'm out of it and it's been kind of a long time has passed.

[132] I can appreciate what I think it was.

[133] I bet it'll continue to evolve as well.

[134] I can't imagine you're actually like through with your final perspective on it.

[135] Yeah.

[136] Sure.

[137] I think definitely I think now I've got a kid.

[138] Right.

[139] It's going to be a whole new kind of era, I guess.

[140] I mean, I don't watch them.

[141] I have seen the first one maybe twice now and once quite recently.

[142] But I haven't really watched any of those.

[143] It still feels too soon really.

[144] I can't detach myself.

[145] Fully, I can't face it.

[146] Okay, so there's many different motives for people not watching stuff.

[147] What is yours?

[148] I can't really put my finger on it.

[149] Because it wasn't like it was a bad experience.

[150] It made me so conscious of my face of like what I'm doing.

[151] And I could almost feel myself doing things.

[152] And from then, I just kind of stopped in it.

[153] I like being in the moment and creating it and then just leaving it.

[154] I think that's the healthiest perspective to have.

[155] I am the other side of it.

[156] I'm so disgusting.

[157] If I do something funny, I want to go watch it on the monitor.

[158] No way.

[159] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[160] Oh, can I?

[161] And then maybe I can fall higher or whatever the thing is.

[162] But I have had the experience.

[163] I hosted a game show last year.

[164] And I was so out of my comfort zone.

[165] And I was occupying this role that I had grown up seeing people do, like Pat Sejack or Alex Trebek or these famous people.

[166] And I can't make the leap to that I'm now doing this with.

[167] this preposterous wheel behind me. So that I never want, I had, like, avoided the monitors.

[168] I've never seen it.

[169] But for me, it's more because I was afraid if I saw it, I'd no longer be able to do it.

[170] Like, I would just lose all confidence.

[171] Like, if I see what a terrible job I'm doing, I won't be able to continue.

[172] Yeah.

[173] No, absolutely.

[174] I can completely relate with that.

[175] I think there's also something to, when you're involved in something that takes so much energy and so much time that even with this show, like, we'll record it and then I go back through when I'm editing it.

[176] I'm spending all this time in there.

[177] And I really, really love it, but I really do not want to listen to any of the episodes again.

[178] Like I kind of actively.

[179] Like, I'm like, I do not want to listen to them because you've already put all the energy in.

[180] And I don't it almost feels like, oh, I should have done something else here or, I don't know.

[181] There is something weird about that.

[182] Oh, yeah.

[183] You're just so critical of yourself, and it's, I really struggle.

[184] And actually, watching interviews is the worst thing for me. Oh, here's where I'm disgusting, too.

[185] I love watching myself on late night talk shows.

[186] Isn't it repugnant, Monica?

[187] No comment.

[188] I wish I had that.

[189] I wish I had that.

[190] I don't want to see the ones where I'm pretty sure I did shitty, but looks.

[191] I promise Monica, I would tell you this.

[192] People who listen to this show have heard this dozens of times.

[193] I'm obsessed with how handsome you got.

[194] Like, I am obsessed.

[195] I don't know what even chapter of the story it is, but my daughter started going through it.

[196] And there, I want to say it was like the third or something.

[197] It starts on a train.

[198] Maybe it was a little later.

[199] Maybe it was the fourth or something.

[200] And I'm like, Lincoln, how fucking, well, I didn't say fucking, how gorgeous is Ron Weasley?

[201] No, no. And she's like, no, no. He really did.

[202] I was losing my mind.

[203] I was like, he is so fucking good looking.

[204] You know, who cares about anybody else?

[205] Look at this guy.

[206] I was really bulled over with your looks.

[207] I don't believe you.

[208] Yes.

[209] Oh, no. He was telling everyone.

[210] Because it was over a period of time where everyone was watching the movies again.

[211] And like every five minutes, just like, Look at this guy.

[212] He's so handsome.

[213] Yeah, I think there was a lot of transformations.

[214] Because we were so young, it was such a long time you see his kind of grow up.

[215] Like Matthew Lewis, that was like he completely blossomed into something completely new.

[216] Right.

[217] And I think when you're watching them for me, because I'm a piece of shit, everyone starts out cute.

[218] They cast all these cute kids.

[219] You were 11, right?

[220] Yeah, that's 11, yeah.

[221] So everyone's adorable.

[222] And I'm watching with great anxiety.

[223] that eventually someone's got to look crazy.

[224] It's just the law of the jungle, something's going to happen.

[225] And so I do think I'm paying way too close of attention to that.

[226] And so, boy, my delight when I saw what you were turning into as a young man, I was just like, God damn, they had the crystal ball or something.

[227] Yeah, all three of you.

[228] Yeah.

[229] There was some awkward stages, for sure.

[230] Not for you, bud.

[231] You, oh, my God.

[232] I couldn't get over it.

[233] My hair in film four is one of my biggest regrets.

[234] Oh, tell me. Shoulder length.

[235] I had my hair down here, and it was like, it was, I don't know.

[236] I think everyone actually had a phase of kind of having this really long hair.

[237] They liked it.

[238] It was kind of wizardy.

[239] We went through our kind of puberty on camera.

[240] Yeah.

[241] So, yeah, you kind of see it all.

[242] Well, not at all, but.

[243] Yeah, it is.

[244] It is very cringing.

[245] Yeah.

[246] Yeah.

[247] That everyone in the world saw.

[248] Everyone saw, yeah.

[249] And people, when you meet people, they feel like they kind of know you because they grew up with you.

[250] It kind of become such a huge part of their childhood.

[251] Of course.

[252] It's an intense kind of relationship.

[253] Absolutely, because you're defining, not unlike music can, you're defining an era of their life, of their transition.

[254] We've talked about this before.

[255] In fact, we just interviewed Amy Polar and, like, there's a pretty big spectrum when you're comedian and you're out in public.

[256] Naturally, people are like, oh, I'll go kick this guy in the back of the knee or grab them by the neck, you know, because you're a good time, Charlie, and they expect that for me. Now, if you see Angelina Jolie, you just kind of stare from across the room and you're nervous, you'll, like, embarrass yourself in front of her, so you might not even approach her.

[257] But I got to imagine for you, you're in the comedy camp.

[258] Like, oh, I went to school with this guy.

[259] Yeah, absolutely.

[260] Yeah, a lot of kind of wand innuendos.

[261] I get a lot of that.

[262] Yeah, it's, I don't know that I can make an equivalency to something like Harry Potter, where it was over such a long period of time, mainly the books, came out over this period of time, the generation mine that followed it.

[263] Didn't you make your parents take you to the bookstore super early?

[264] Yeah, no. For like multiple of the books, I did like the midnight buying.

[265] And, God, I just loved them so much.

[266] And we were growing up with those characters, like almost at the exact same time, you know?

[267] Right.

[268] It represents so much.

[269] I mean, we've talked about this before, but on this show, on one of our fact checks, we sorted Dax on the Pottermore side.

[270] Oh, yeah.

[271] And then we were, like, jokingly talking about Hufflepuff and some stuff.

[272] And people got so, I mean.

[273] Yeah.

[274] Truly hurt.

[275] Truly hurt.

[276] Yes.

[277] Yeah.

[278] Like, their identities are so connected to this world.

[279] I just don't know anything else that's like it.

[280] Yeah, it's probably one of itself.

[281] Other than maybe like the Lord of the Rings people probably experience.

[282] That's only three.

[283] Like, this is so vast.

[284] That's true.

[285] And everyone that was born and liked Lord of the Rings were reading those books long after they were published.

[286] And no one thinks they're like an elf or whatever.

[287] People think they are Hufflepuff.

[288] But then you're the representation of.

[289] of all of that.

[290] That's like so much.

[291] Yeah.

[292] Was there a level that was unmanageable?

[293] No, I mean, because we were always just so busy.

[294] We were making the movies, so we were kind of not so much exposed to it.

[295] But I think, yeah, there was definitely times like, you see it like premieres and gradually kind of getting used to the amount of people that are kind of losing your anonymity and never really being invisible anymore.

[296] Just that kind of gradual change was, yeah, I think it was definitely hard to kind of get your head around because I'm quite a shy private person and suddenly to be kind of put in that world, it was overwhelming for sure.

[297] And also the responsibility as well, because as you say, the fans of the books and they hold these characters in such kind of high regard in there.

[298] Were you ever like shit -faced at 18 and smoking a joint?

[299] And it crosses your mind like, oh, fuck, I hope the Potter world doesn't somehow find out about this.

[300] Like I imagine you live with a little bit of a burden hovering above you.

[301] Definitely, yeah.

[302] It was such a kind of buzzkill whenever you were out.

[303] Because you do, you do, you do kind of have to think about it.

[304] You can never quite relax.

[305] Right.

[306] Because I guess you are kind of this role model figure.

[307] It's hugely important to these fans.

[308] So it's, yeah, it was always, I mean, it didn't really stop me from having fun.

[309] But it was always a kind of a bit of a shadow.

[310] Now, I have one more question about this and then I'll let it go.

[311] But the other thing I imagine would be interesting is like at some point you guys were loaded.

[312] So if I was in that cast, right, and I'm a movie five and I'm 17, guess what?

[313] Dag Shepherd would be driving a Ferrari to work.

[314] It would probably be so weird.

[315] And I think the other adults who met me as 11 that would be interesting for them, what was that aspect of it like?

[316] Yeah, really strange.

[317] I don't think it ever really dawned on me really when I got the part of it.

[318] That was going to be a big part of it.

[319] But yeah, I mean, gradually it became too much, too young, for sure.

[320] I just didn't know what to do that.

[321] it's quite overwhelming.

[322] I literally did not know what to do.

[323] I mean, I brought a hovercraft and an ice cream van.

[324] I've got a first two things.

[325] Wait, whoa, wait, wait.

[326] You bought a hovercraft in an ice cream van?

[327] Yeah.

[328] Oh, my goodness.

[329] That was my first car.

[330] Oh, my goodness.

[331] Yeah.

[332] And then a and then a legit hovercraft that you could take out over.

[333] A legit hovercraft.

[334] Yeah, yeah.

[335] That was sick.

[336] I've always wanted one of those.

[337] Do you still have it?

[338] Yeah, I do.

[339] Yeah.

[340] I still have it.

[341] I haven't been in a long time.

[342] I I crashed it quite badly last time I was out, because it's impossible.

[343] There's no brakes.

[344] Right, right.

[345] There's a tree like a mile away, you're probably going to hit it.

[346] The only way you can get out of a situation is to turn it and apply more throttle, right?

[347] So you're like, right when you're getting scared, what you have to do is, like, floor it in the other direction.

[348] Yeah, it's lethal.

[349] It nearly killed it.

[350] But, yeah, no, it was a lot to kind of take on, but it was amazing.

[351] It was so much fun.

[352] And I went through a phase of loads of animals.

[353] I had like alpacas, pigs.

[354] Oh, wow.

[355] Yeah, it was a whole thing.

[356] What an interesting interest for you.

[357] At what age was that, 18?

[358] Yeah, probably around that, 16.

[359] Wow.

[360] Okay, to psychoanalyze you, to me that tells me you want to like be on a farm.

[361] Yeah, yeah, that was the idea.

[362] But it was chaos.

[363] Alpacres are insane.

[364] Of course.

[365] Do you have fantasies of, like, yielding wool from them?

[366] No, I don't know what it was about, really.

[367] It's hard to kind of, now looking back, in hindsight, rationalize it.

[368] They're not with me anymore.

[369] They went to another responsible alpaca farmer.

[370] You loaded up the hovercraft and dropped them off.

[371] Yeah.

[372] Yeah, I mean, I guess I just did stupid things like that.

[373] Were you living with your parents still?

[374] Yeah, so that age I probably was, yeah.

[375] I'm from a big fan.

[376] I'm like one of five.

[377] and we had a field.

[378] And you stalked it.

[379] Yeah.

[380] But yeah, nowadays, I'm a lot more kind of sensible, I guess.

[381] Sure.

[382] I haven't done anything mad like that anymore.

[383] Now, your dad growing up, he dealt race memorabilia?

[384] Yeah.

[385] He had like a store where he sold like coffee tables made of like tires.

[386] And he sold them on QVC.

[387] No kidding.

[388] He was on QVC?

[389] Yeah.

[390] Was he someone who had fantasies of being a race car driver himself?

[391] yeah and he did for a while in his kind of early 20s he was a we have so i don't know if it's big in america rally oh yeah baby i mean it's not big in america but yes i love rally yeah yeah so he used to do that kind of rally stages my brother does it as well no kidding so he is a fearless gentleman your father i think that's always been a big part of my family like cars every every grint male has got some job related to cars i'm kind of the only one who doesn't was he so sad you weren't taking your fortune and starting a race career?

[392] I would have been heartbroken if I were him.

[393] Yeah, I know, but I mean, he had my brother.

[394] He did it for a long time and he was getting.

[395] I was never cut out for that.

[396] I'm not fearless.

[397] Right.

[398] What order are you in these five kids?

[399] I'm the oldest.

[400] And there's kind of exactly two years between us all.

[401] So it's kind of a good spread.

[402] Then I feel like you're breaking the conventional thing.

[403] Because you feel like a middle child to me. I'm a middle child.

[404] You feel like...

[405] Yeah, I get that a lot.

[406] Like a peacemaker.

[407] Yeah, no, for sure.

[408] I'm not the kind of typical oldest child.

[409] I think my brother was always physically bigger than me as well.

[410] So I never really felt like I had this kind of authority.

[411] He was always the one that was the protector.

[412] And, like, he'd stand up to the bullies.

[413] Oh.

[414] Is he redhead as well?

[415] No, my sister.

[416] I have a sister who's red as well.

[417] But my parents, no, it's kind of a mystery where it came to me. It's a weird gene.

[418] Can I tell you, I only had three rules in fighting.

[419] other men.

[420] There are only three men I wouldn't fight.

[421] I would not fight a man who took his shirt off immediately because that's a man who's ruined so many shirts that he's learned to take it off before things get going.

[422] Yeah, yeah.

[423] Two, I would never want him to fight a married man because you're fighting his children, his wife.

[424] He's got a lot going on.

[425] A lot of steak.

[426] And then third, I don't care if the person was 80 pounds.

[427] You just don't fight a redhead.

[428] The gnarliest fight I ever saw in my life was in junior high and it was these two redheads and they were so angry they were crying while they were fighting and they were just not quitting there was some they had a yeah yes yes bawling and angry but they didn't care that they were crying they were fuck it i mean and then i've since seen like i bet i've seen probably seven fights with redheads and every time it was really something else yeah i don't think i've got that fiery because that That is kind of a red -headed thing.

[429] But what about when you're really pushed to the edge?

[430] No, I don't really feel anger.

[431] I can't remember the last time I was angry.

[432] Oh.

[433] I'm quite a laid -back person in that respect.

[434] I avoid commentation.

[435] Well, just know I'd let you push me around because despite what you say, I'm going to keep this rule.

[436] It's a good rule.

[437] I'm going to use that as well.

[438] Yeah.

[439] You're nervous, Monica.

[440] No, there's just, you know, there's that...

[441] The anesthesia thing?

[442] Yeah.

[443] Pain.

[444] Yeah, there's so weird thing.

[445] Well, you would know that redheads respond differently to anesthesia.

[446] I've heard this.

[447] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[448] What is it?

[449] It's like when we feel more, we have a lower tolerance to pain.

[450] Yeah, that's the rumor.

[451] I don't know if that's true, but do you feel pain?

[452] Yeah, I do.

[453] I do feel pain.

[454] It's funny, yeah, I do.

[455] And spice.

[456] Like, I don't know if it's that really is related, but like, I have no tolerance for, like, spicy food.

[457] Interesting.

[458] Ketchup for me is like, On the edge.

[459] Oh, wow.

[460] Yeah, I think they are supposed to be more sensitive.

[461] Oh.

[462] And also, maybe that's why those guys were crying, because it hurts so bad that they were beating each other up.

[463] I think they're all fighting for their life.

[464] Whereas, like, other guys were just fighting for some status in the group.

[465] They're, like, their life felt like it was on the line, maybe.

[466] I want to recommend a book to you.

[467] Oh, yeah, okay.

[468] Still Life with Woodpecker.

[469] Have you ever heard of that book?

[470] No. Okay.

[471] I think it's Tom Robbins.

[472] Well, fact check it.

[473] Probably Robbins.

[474] I think it's Tom Robbins.

[475] Still Life with Woodpecker.

[476] And it's basically an homage to redheads in the value they've had throughout history.

[477] And it's this really fantastical fairy taley story.

[478] He's a great author.

[479] Even the cowgirls get the blues, jitterbug perfume.

[480] Great author.

[481] Anyways, please read it.

[482] Especially if, did you just have a daughter or a son?

[483] Yeah, no, she had a daughter.

[484] Yeah.

[485] Congrats.

[486] Thank you.

[487] Yeah.

[488] It's amazing.

[489] Yeah.

[490] It's kind of weird having it during a pandemic.

[491] I think it's been a blessing in disguise.

[492] We've had all this time to like kind of lock ourselves in and work it out.

[493] No kind of outside into fit like we've really bonded and yeah, I'm loving it.

[494] It's great.

[495] Yeah, because when we had our first daughter, I basically wanted the whole world to go away.

[496] And I just wanted to sit in the bed and stare at that little subway sandwich.

[497] And then the only thing that got stressful is like you felt like you were missing out on a lot of stuff.

[498] Like, oh, this is so lovely, but also, I'm completely missing my life.

[499] Whereas I feel like in quarantine, you're not missing a damn thing.

[500] No. All you've got to do is just bed down.

[501] I mean, it's weird for her because, like, she hasn't really seen any other humans apart from us and our kind of extended family occasionally.

[502] It'd be interesting to see how she develops if this can kind of continues longer.

[503] Does she have red hair?

[504] She did when she was born.

[505] She was bright red, but I don't know if that was blood.

[506] But no, she was definitely, I mean, she looks ginger, like you can tell.

[507] Now, speaking of COVID, you have the unique distinction of having caught H1N1 swine flu back when it was around.

[508] Yeah, really weird.

[509] It was insane.

[510] It was right during a, maybe the fifth film had just been released.

[511] Yeah, and I went down.

[512] And it was like weird one where I was hallucinating.

[513] I went outside in the middle of the night once, chasing a fox, I think.

[514] Oh, oh.

[515] It was insane.

[516] It was kind of the worst.

[517] I've ever felt, and it was for, like, two weeks.

[518] You know, the unfortunate thing about H1N1 is, like, swine flu.

[519] We've talked about that.

[520] What a foul name for something.

[521] It's almost like, is that you don't want to tell anyone you have it because you have to say swine flu.

[522] Swine, yeah.

[523] It's kind of the worst one, isn't it?

[524] But did it come from pigs?

[525] Well, it has to.

[526] Yeah, I think so.

[527] So, but it makes me think that the person suffering has, like, cross -pollinated with a swine.

[528] Yeah.

[529] Yeah, it's the worst one.

[530] I mean, outside of, like, if there was, like, diarrhea flu.

[531] Ew.

[532] Well, that's just diarrhea.

[533] Well, that's right.

[534] But I'm just trying to think of anything could be worse than swine.

[535] Rat flu?

[536] Well, I mean, this is all bat related.

[537] And pangolin.

[538] Ew.

[539] So I guess when this started breaking out, were you like, well, fuck, last time I got swine flu, I'm likely to go down with this.

[540] Yeah.

[541] It was my first thought, yeah.

[542] I must be susceptible to, like, these.

[543] weird kind of viruses.

[544] But yeah, no, I think, yeah, so far, I haven't, I haven't called this yet.

[545] I'm kind of surprised I haven't.

[546] I bet your family was shocked.

[547] They were like, oh, I would have guessed alpaca flu, but not swine.

[548] I don't even think he owns that.

[549] We did have pigs.

[550] We did have pigs for a while as well.

[551] I was after.

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[561] All right, so I had two really big exciting shocks for Monica.

[562] One was, of course, that you guys have the exact same birthday in Monica's one year older than you.

[563] Oh, yes.

[564] So fun.

[565] Dave Chappelle, we discovered also same birthday.

[566] But I'm going to knock you on your right now.

[567] Rupert carried the fucking torch.

[568] Really?

[569] Oh, yeah, we're obsessed with the Olympics.

[570] We love the, well, summer Olympics.

[571] Summer.

[572] Was it summer?

[573] Yeah, when London hosted.

[574] 2012, yeah.

[575] Tell us everything.

[576] From the phone call to the, what did you wear?

[577] How long did you have to run?

[578] Were you panicked?

[579] It would go out.

[580] Like, walk us through this.

[581] Yeah, it's kind of a bit of a blur, to be honest.

[582] It was such a kind of hysteric time, like, having the Olympics in London.

[583] It was such an honor to be asked.

[584] Like, what were some of the other non -athletes that were doing what you did?

[585] Ricky Jervais run any?

[586] I think he did.

[587] The same stretch I did.

[588] You do it in like little stretches.

[589] And you have to wear this whole thing.

[590] I'm not really I'm not an athlete.

[591] I'm far from an athlete.

[592] So you have to wear this like sports kit.

[593] Is it like flame retardant?

[594] Yeah, I guess so.

[595] Yeah.

[596] But weirdly, I think, no, it couldn't have been like a gas thing in there.

[597] But it didn't go out.

[598] Spandex?

[599] Were you in, like, Lycra?

[600] No, I wasn't in Lycra.

[601] I was in this kind of like, maybe it was.

[602] It wasn't, no, it wasn't kind of snug fitting.

[603] It was kind of a loose fitting kind of like track.

[604] Oh, thank God.

[605] Track, yeah.

[606] And I was running, I don't know how far it was.

[607] As I say, it was kind of a blur.

[608] I know I met Boris Johnson.

[609] Oh.

[610] When he was the mayor.

[611] Was it heavy?

[612] Do you remember that?

[613] Yeah, how heavy was it?

[614] The torch, quite heavy.

[615] Yeah, it's kind of a big old thing.

[616] I've still got it.

[617] They let you keep it.

[618] Wait, back up.

[619] So there's, then that means there's a hundred.

[620] So, wait a minute.

[621] I'm so confused, don't you hand it off?

[622] Oh, yes.

[623] So they give you a replica of it.

[624] No, no, they do.

[625] They give you a replica of it.

[626] Yeah, I didn't keep the torch to it was, yeah, I passed that on to someone else.

[627] I'm going to do some looking into this.

[628] Well, yeah, there must be like footage of it.

[629] Oh, yes.

[630] Are we talking a hundred yards are like a quarter mile.

[631] Or those don't make sense.

[632] Oh, yeah, you can use miles.

[633] I think it was probably a quarter mile, something like that.

[634] Were you drunk?

[635] I don't know.

[636] Maybe I'd swine through.

[637] I have no memory.

[638] I have literally no memory.

[639] I remember Boris Johnson.

[640] There's like flashes of a crowd.

[641] Oh, I would be so self -conscious about my run.

[642] It felt like a lady camera.

[643] I don't run.

[644] I do remember that kind of practicing the run.

[645] Can I be honest about the opening ceremony?

[646] Maybe Monaco will cut.

[647] this out.

[648] Oh, geez.

[649] Yeah, this is going to be dicey.

[650] I felt very bad for London because the previous summer games had been Beijing.

[651] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[652] And that was the most elaborate, like, you just got to enter that thing going, well, we're not going to be able to do with the Chinese.

[653] Yeah, it's a hard to them to follow, isn't it?

[654] It was so spectacular.

[655] You didn't even know of like, is this digital?

[656] Like, what's going on here?

[657] It makes me think of the 18, I want to say it's 1889 World Fair.

[658] in Chicago, maybe that year might not be right, but the previous World Fair they unveiled the Eiffel Tower.

[659] Oh, Jesus.

[660] And so the people in Chicago were like, what the fuck are we going to do?

[661] There's no point.

[662] And they ultimately ended up designing the first Ferris wheels, what came on.

[663] Oh, that's pretty good.

[664] And I think, oh, we had some moments in the London thing.

[665] It was Danny Boyle.

[666] Yeah, and you got to call on this rich treasure trove of culture that England's, you got the fucking Beatles you can access.

[667] So that's kind of a nice cheat.

[668] The queen, bond.

[669] Yeah, it was a lot of...

[670] The queen.

[671] We got to talk about the queen.

[672] Because I'm obsessed with the crown.

[673] Sure, yeah, yeah.

[674] So what are your feelings on the royal?

[675] He's got to be careful, though.

[676] He lives in a country.

[677] This is like asking us what we think of...

[678] Trump, I'm happy to say.

[679] No, no, no, not Trump.

[680] We got to do one that's more...

[681] Like the Kardashians?

[682] I'm happy to speak on that as well.

[683] No, I think it's more like us speaking public.

[684] about the Pope.

[685] That's what I would consider it.

[686] I mean, yeah, I think it is probably a divisive thing.

[687] There's pros and cons.

[688] But I mean, overall, I'm okay with them.

[689] They're good.

[690] I think they're kind of fun.

[691] They don't really, I don't really know what they kind of don't have much.

[692] Well, that's because they don't do anything.

[693] They don't do it, but they don't have much power.

[694] Dax does not like the royal.

[695] I am so angered that this great country, England, is still rolling out this page.

[696] Yeah.

[697] It's so silly.

[698] The pageantry I find kind of a bit of a kind of yawn.

[699] In like meritless status, like you're born.

[700] Like, I don't know why you don't feel about them the way people feel about, like, trust fund people who are born into a billion dollars.

[701] It's like, you're not going to look up to them.

[702] I'm happy for them they got a billion dollars, but are you - I'm not looking up to them, but I find it fascinating.

[703] And I would probably find it fascinating if there was a family of trust fund people that just was passing down money.

[704] Like, that's true.

[705] It's a very interesting story.

[706] Yeah.

[707] I think it's interesting.

[708] Well, the other thing is, is it ruins their life.

[709] So it's not even like you watch the crown and you realize oh none of these people got to marry who they wanted to Princess Dye was a beautiful human being that was killed because of this fucking crazy circus and no one's happy Yeah there's no there's no winners For sure No Everyone's losing I guess the tabloids win That's who fucking wins And anytime there's an industry Where only the tabloids win We gotta be against it I just can't ever see it ever ending There's never gonna be like A revolution Right now surely I don't know And also what a waste of time that would be.

[710] To get rid of them?

[711] To have a revolution to get rid of the royals.

[712] No, you wouldn't need a revolution.

[713] Parliament or whatever would just convene and they'd get a three -fourth vote and go, this, oh, we've done this long enough.

[714] This was cute.

[715] But why?

[716] Just let them be.

[717] Okay.

[718] All right.

[719] Yeah.

[720] I'd met the queen once.

[721] I went to her 80th birthday point.

[722] And do you get a whole primer on how you're supposed to behave before you meet her?

[723] Yeah, there's loads to like call a ma 'am, as in jam.

[724] You can't say mom.

[725] Can't look her in the eye directly.

[726] There was, yeah, there was a whole whole thing.

[727] Like she's a deity.

[728] Yeah, exactly.

[729] Yeah, well, we did like a show.

[730] It was like a sketch we did.

[731] They played on this it was like a big stage variety show for her birthday and we did like this handbag skit on set.

[732] Okay.

[733] Wow, she's fun.

[734] She likes comedy.

[735] Isn't this funny confirmation bias?

[736] So that's a good story to you and to me. I'm like, oh yeah, for her amusement.

[737] Like, they got these talented people who have done something in their life and then for her amusement, they have to perform.

[738] It's like, they're a court jester.

[739] That happens at the White House, too.

[740] Yeah, like they do, like Jason did his, showed his movie there.

[741] Like, they do that.

[742] Well, she won't a movie.

[743] If they went and screamed Perry Potter, but to make these kids do a live sketch for her amusement.

[744] It was pre -recording.

[745] Oh, okay.

[746] That's a little less.

[747] It's a strange, it's a strange world.

[748] Yeah, it's all right.

[749] Everything's good.

[750] I love England.

[751] I love their Democratic monarchy.

[752] What is it called?

[753] It's got a weird term that's totally contradictory.

[754] okay we're going to get out this topic all right i just wanted to bring up one fun thing about your filmography which is this could be an american british thing so you did a movie in 2010 wild target with emily blunt who we know and love martin freeman who's just one of my favorite and then rupert everett there's two rupert's in that movie or am i out to lunch on how many rupert's there are in england there's quite a few there's quite a few there's quite a bit friend we only have rupert murdock US.

[755] Oh, Rupert Murdoch, yeah.

[756] Weirdly, I wrote a letter to him when I was a kid because we had the same name.

[757] What?

[758] Yeah, my school.

[759] No. Yeah, my school wanted.

[760] They needed money for like something at the school.

[761] And they thought, because my name was Rupert, that he would give our schools some money.

[762] And I think he did.

[763] No, really?

[764] No, he did.

[765] It worked.

[766] It was like a letter.

[767] Oh, hi, Rupert.

[768] My name's also Rupert.

[769] Can we have to know.

[770] I need some of your money.

[771] Is that cool?

[772] Oh my goodness.

[773] I wonder, I'm trying to prepare myself mentally for when I receive a letter one day, especially after this air, saying, my name is Dax.

[774] Yeah.

[775] So give me some of your money.

[776] You must be the own of Dax.

[777] I'm trying to think how I'll feel about that.

[778] What is Dax?

[779] What's the origin of that?

[780] There was a popular book in the 70s called The Adventures by Harold Robbins, and my parents had read it when my mom was pregnant, and the lead character's initials spelled Dax, and he went by Dax.

[781] And so they named me Dax.

[782] And then I had never, I never met a Dax my whole life, but then once I got on TV, a couple different times people have come up to me at restaurants and said, like, I'm Dax too, and then they were named after that book as well.

[783] Oh, wow, that's cool.

[784] Such a big responsibility in naming.

[785] I definitely found that with, like, naming our daughter.

[786] Yeah, were you very vocal?

[787] Did you guys have arguments about it?

[788] Is it a mutual one?

[789] We always had one name.

[790] Oh, is it secret?

[791] No, she's called Wednesday.

[792] Oh, I love that.

[793] Oh, me too.

[794] Oh, my gosh.

[795] Rupert.

[796] Rupert, we love that.

[797] Rupert, we really like it.

[798] Why Wednesday?

[799] I don't know.

[800] It's actually kind of George's name.

[801] She's always wanted to call her kid Wednesday.

[802] And it just felt right.

[803] We started calling her Wednesday before she was born, and it just kind of stuck.

[804] She couldn't be anything else.

[805] Now, in the U .S., Wednesday is a day of the week here.

[806] What does it mean in England?

[807] The same.

[808] We have that day as well.

[809] Yeah, you're serious.

[810] Yeah, I guess it's going to be confusing.

[811] But, I mean, it'd be easy for her to.

[812] kind of spell.

[813] Oh, yeah.

[814] Well, actually, it's the hardest day to spell.

[815] Yeah, it is.

[816] It's not logical.

[817] Wedness day?

[818] That doesn't even make sense.

[819] Wedness, too.

[820] The nests.

[821] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[822] No, yeah.

[823] It's not an easy one.

[824] Can I tell you Wednesday's probably my favorite day of the week?

[825] Because it's the first optimistic day.

[826] Yes.

[827] Like, it's in sight.

[828] It's in sight.

[829] It's the dawn of optimism.

[830] Yeah, no, I get that.

[831] That's good.

[832] Yeah.

[833] We're going to tell her that's why she's named.

[834] Oh, she's the dawn of optimism.

[835] Oh, that's good.

[836] Yeah, that's very good.

[837] Yeah, because, I mean, there's a saying.

[838] I don't think if you have it in America, but it's like Wednesday's child is full of sorry.

[839] It's a whole, like, rhyme.

[840] Oh, I've never heard it.

[841] No. I guess it's a poem.

[842] And it's, yeah, there's a line in it.

[843] It's like Wednesday's child is full of sorry.

[844] Yeah.

[845] Let's hope she rejects that part and sticks with the dawn of optimism.

[846] Yeah.

[847] I prefer that.

[848] Now, let's talk about Instagram because this is a fun story.

[849] Oh, yeah.

[850] so you have a record you have the record for the fastest trip to a million followers and just having now met you for an hour i can't imagine you give a flying fuck about that but let's talk about yeah yeah no i mean to be fair that did surprise me i mean it's been something i've kind of avoided for so long it just didn't ever feel really like a me thing i've never had the need to like share anything with the world but i don't know i don't know what really prompted me it was I just thought it'd be fun.

[851] It's been a kind of crazy year.

[852] Why not?

[853] Was it this year?

[854] This year, yeah.

[855] Yeah, it was just a few months ago, really.

[856] And so you got to a million followers in four hours in change, right?

[857] Yeah.

[858] Yeah, amazing.

[859] Yeah, I don't really understand kind of what it means.

[860] Cool, yeah, no, it's great.

[861] I'm not very good at it.

[862] I'm not like good at it.

[863] Only six posts.

[864] Six posts, I know.

[865] I know they're all like servant trailers or like servant content.

[866] Yeah.

[867] Promotional.

[868] I mean, that's good.

[869] Yeah, yeah.

[870] I wouldn't mind a picture of you in that.

[871] Could you dig up a picture of you carrying that torch and posted?

[872] People would love that.

[873] Yeah, I could do, yeah.

[874] That's the kind of thing you should be putting up.

[875] That's the content, yeah.

[876] Maybe it'll jog your memory, too.

[877] Yeah, I should re -watch that.

[878] Jog.

[879] Oh, my God, really nice pun.

[880] Thank you.

[881] Jog your memory.

[882] Unintended.

[883] Also, if you popped some photos up of this alpaca collection you had, that would be of interest to people.

[884] The iPad.

[885] None?

[886] No. There's no record of it.

[887] What about the Hovercraft?

[888] Oh, yeah, yeah, possibly.

[889] Yeah.

[890] I could probably dig on sort of.

[891] And the ice cream truck.

[892] Oh, yeah, the ice cream truck.

[893] Yeah, yeah.

[894] Yeah, these are some good ideas, yeah.

[895] All right, so the servant just got a season two.

[896] No, season two is coming out.

[897] Season two is come out.

[898] It's come out.

[899] Yeah, it's come out every Friday.

[900] Apple TV Plus.

[901] Apple TV Plus, every Friday.

[902] This is my favorite thing is when I sleep on a show.

[903] And then there's two seasons, which is so great.

[904] Yeah.

[905] I did it.

[906] with lost.

[907] I've only seen Lost, like, a few months ago.

[908] Yeah.

[909] And did you finish it?

[910] Yeah.

[911] It kind of got a little bit kind of insane at the end.

[912] Well, I was so into that show.

[913] I started watching it.

[914] I was like, this is the most intriguing show of all time.

[915] Then there was an episode where they found some weird metal pork.

[916] Yeah, the whole time traveled.

[917] And then they simply did not address it for four more episodes.

[918] And I was like, fuck this show.

[919] You introduced a port four episodes ago and no one's talking about it.

[920] They had the writer's strike.

[921] I think in between.

[922] between the making of that thing.

[923] So haven't they had some...

[924] Oh, okay.

[925] From the port until they re -addressed it.

[926] There was...

[927] They had the transport department writing it.

[928] Yeah.

[929] Do you shoot the servant in England?

[930] No, in Philly.

[931] You do it in Philly.

[932] Well, that makes sense because M. Knight -Shammalon, right?

[933] That's his...

[934] Yeah, yeah.

[935] That's where he lives, yeah.

[936] So we're in this little studio.

[937] I mean, we've only got one location.

[938] We never leave the house, so it's kind of really great.

[939] I love it.

[940] And we can film in sequence as well, which is really unusual.

[941] Yeah, that's such a...

[942] a great luxury.

[943] Yeah, for people who don't know, quite often you start a movie, and the movie's going to start at, let's say, the Astrodome in Houston, and it's going to conclude at the Astrodome, the end of the movie.

[944] But they're only going to rent the Astrodome one time.

[945] They're going to rent it on the first day, and you're going to film the first scene of the movie and the very last scene of the movie.

[946] And you're trying to track where you're going to end up, and you just kind of got to throw a dart at the dartboard at that point.

[947] Yeah, but it's such a unique show, I think, because it's all in one place, almost feels like theater, because it's such a small space as well.

[948] And we're filming it chronologically, and it feels a very different show.

[949] The house is so sexy.

[950] I want that house so bad.

[951] Do you love that set?

[952] It's so safe.

[953] It's such a great house.

[954] I mean, it's a fully working house as well.

[955] Usually with sets, it's kind of like a kind of facade, so you can't really interact with.

[956] This is fully immersive.

[957] It's like kitchen works, the toilets work.

[958] Wow.

[959] Have you ever shit inside the set house.

[960] No, well, no, no, I didn't.

[961] But you could.

[962] It's good to know it's there.

[963] Have you shot in California?

[964] I did a pilot there, maybe like 10 years ago now.

[965] It's most English people's favorite place on planet Earth, because the sun is out 365.

[966] Most people I know that are English that come here, they're like, I don't, I can't leave, I don't think.

[967] Yeah.

[968] No, it is insane, the weather, not having rain.

[969] It almost kind of feels quite unsettling.

[970] I really like it.

[971] I like to be more there.

[972] I've always found it.

[973] It's a place that I've kind of grown to like.

[974] It is weird.

[975] Like you're driving around, unlike any other place in the country, you're in the acting business.

[976] And then every drive you take, you're looking at your peers or colleagues with their new shows on billboards.

[977] And you cannot escape being aware of like who's doing what.

[978] Yeah.

[979] It'd be like if you worked at General Motors and there was billboards of like who got promoted to branch manager.

[980] Yeah.

[981] Yeah.

[982] And there's Doug.

[983] Yeah.

[984] At the end.

[985] of that.

[986] But now I love, I have so much fun there whenever I go.

[987] I go there quite a bit.

[988] Well, Rupert, you're a very handsome gentleman, and you're very lovely, and you carried the torch, which we likely will know.

[989] Oh, this fucking, the Olympics are coming to L .A. Are they?

[990] Maybe we can carry the torch.

[991] When?

[992] What?

[993] L .A.'s hosting the summer.

[994] Yeah.

[995] Yeah, a while away.

[996] In 100 years.

[997] I want to pitch that it'll be the first time ever, I assume.

[998] I'll have you on my shoulders, and you carry the torch.

[999] God.

[1000] That's dangerous and exciting.

[1001] It's so exciting.

[1002] High risk.

[1003] High probability of error.

[1004] And also like handing it to the person, you'll be so high up.

[1005] Yeah, and I have to lean down.

[1006] And we might fall over at that point, catch the person on fire.

[1007] Oh, wow.

[1008] You better stay tuned.

[1009] Yeah, I'm going to watch that one.

[1010] Yeah, if we get this job, you better watch us.

[1011] All right, well, still life with woodpecker.

[1012] Yeah, I'm going to get that.

[1013] Tom Robbins.

[1014] That sounds amazing.

[1015] Great talking to you, Rupert.

[1016] I'm so into the servant.

[1017] Everyone should check it out.

[1018] Season two is now available on Apple TV Plus.

[1019] It's very creepy.

[1020] All right, Rupert.

[1021] Be well.

[1022] Great.

[1023] Thanks, guys.

[1024] Thanks for doing this.

[1025] Pleasure.

[1026] See you soon.

[1027] Have a good one.

[1028] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1029] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1030] Hello, welcome back from commercial break.

[1031] Let's talk about a nice service you provided me with today.

[1032] You picked me up at my residence at 9 .30 a .m. And you transported me to my doctor and I was given a good bill of health.

[1033] Yeah, yay, that's a good update.

[1034] Thank you for that.

[1035] You're so welcome.

[1036] It was raining.

[1037] It was raining and you were sad.

[1038] You had your sad.

[1039] Your seasonal affected mood disorder.

[1040] Effective disorder.

[1041] Oh, effective disorder?

[1042] Yeah, that's what it's called.

[1043] Seasonal effective disorder can also be called seasonal mood disorder.

[1044] order but that doesn't spell sad yeah and that's just because people don't like effective it is a weird word it's a beautiful word it's a great word i don't want to be on the wrong side of your sad so i'm going to say it's a great word although is it pavlovian at this no i don't think it's it's not pavlovian it took me a while this morning to figure out why i was like kind of poopy yeah blah I was like, oh, I'm blah, I was driving.

[1045] And I was like, oh, it's gloomy out.

[1046] Oh, wow.

[1047] Okay, that wasn't the first thing you noticed when you woke up.

[1048] Correct.

[1049] And, oh, my God, the T -Rex is wearing a hat.

[1050] Mm -hmm.

[1051] A Michigan hat.

[1052] That T -Rex is from Michigan.

[1053] As all great T -Rexes are.

[1054] I'm going to take a picture of it and we can post it.

[1055] We say this a lot and then we forget.

[1056] I guess you could post it today and say this will make sense in a week.

[1057] Ooh, cliphanger?

[1058] Oh.

[1059] foreshadowing um the picture is weirdly cropped because i don't want you to see some stuff what don't you want seen oh by the way the piss is there plastic water bottle it is yeah it's back there it's under the t -rex's uh ocipital bun oh thank god the pee baby number two is alive oh this is helping my sad i think at some point it'll just be a culture like i think all the water will have evaporated out of it and it'll just be that's the birth That's the birthing process.

[1060] Do you think it'll become amber?

[1061] Like T -Rex, ding, ding, ding, Jurassic Park.

[1062] Finding the DNA of the dinosaur in the mosquito that was in the amber.

[1063] Oh, my.

[1064] Good circle that.

[1065] Michael Crichton.

[1066] This was Rupert Grant.

[1067] I regret that we didn't ask him what his house is.

[1068] Well, having talked to him for an hour, what would you guess?

[1069] I don't know.

[1070] He's hard to pin down.

[1071] because he's a more introverted person.

[1072] Yeah, he's not flashy.

[1073] Not at all, which I appreciate.

[1074] The Hogwarts are flashy, right?

[1075] The Hogwarts is the whole...

[1076] The Griffin Dorff.

[1077] Griffin doors are...

[1078] They're flashy.

[1079] They're like brave and showy.

[1080] Yeah, yeah.

[1081] Yeah, I would say.

[1082] I mean, we've got to be careful with what adjectives we're using.

[1083] We learned our lesson.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] Did we?

[1086] Because we're talking about it again.

[1087] But he's very introverted.

[1088] Mm -hmm.

[1089] But every time he would say something, I found it to be very interesting and bizarre.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] Like he wrote to Rupert Murdoch when he was little, the ice cream van.

[1092] Uh -huh.

[1093] Hovercraft.

[1094] Hovercraft.

[1095] He's the first person I've ever met who bought a hovercraft.

[1096] And I know people who own every kind of machine.

[1097] Can you tell me about real -life hovercrafts?

[1098] Yeah.

[1099] So what it does is it has these fans underneath of it.

[1100] How big is it?

[1101] They come in all kinds of size.

[1102] The military one, they can put hummers on and shit that they took across the sand dunes in Iraq.

[1103] But the Hovercraft, I'm sure, he bought is these kind of smaller search and rescue ones.

[1104] They're probably eight to nine feet long and probably four feet wide.

[1105] I mean, put a couple people in them.

[1106] Okay.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] And so what happens is it has these fans underneath of it.

[1109] And then it has a big rubber skirt around it.

[1110] and it inflates the rubber skirt, and it creates a pocket of air.

[1111] So the pressure coming out of the skirt elevates it.

[1112] Oh.

[1113] And then there's fans on back to propel it forward or left or right.

[1114] Wow.

[1115] And so you can move seamlessly from land to water to any surface because it's just hovering.

[1116] How high does it hover?

[1117] Inches.

[1118] Oh, really?

[1119] Well, I mean, the bladder itself, like the side skirts are probably 18 to 24 inches.

[1120] So a couple feet off the ground.

[1121] But then the skirt comes down, so it only looks like it's maybe two inches off the ground.

[1122] Huh.

[1123] Yeah.

[1124] No one has one.

[1125] Except Rupert.

[1126] In search and rescue people in northern climates.

[1127] That was really funny.

[1128] I'm going to buy one.

[1129] Oh, my God.

[1130] Good for you.

[1131] Anyway, so he is the owner of a hovercraft.

[1132] He is, and he has all these kind of interesting tidbits about him.

[1133] The farming.

[1134] Yeah, alpacas and he just kind of keeps them all to himself, which I kind of like.

[1135] He's not like, oh, I do all this crazy stuff and I want to tell everyone about it.

[1136] Right.

[1137] With a different personality, he could be annoying.

[1138] Like, oh, you're the world's most interesting person.

[1139] You collect alpacas and drive around on a hovercraft.

[1140] But because he doesn't even want to tell you that, it's very charming.

[1141] Yeah, and it's clearly not for the showiness of it.

[1142] I like that.

[1143] I wonder if in general, no, that doesn't work for Jess.

[1144] I was going to say, I wonder if in general if you have red hair.

[1145] It's kind of like being tall or tall people slump because they don't want to be sticking out.

[1146] Tall poppy syndrome.

[1147] That's called Tall poppy syndrome.

[1148] I learned that from Dr. Wendy Mogul on an upcoming episode of Nurture versus Nurture.

[1149] Fourthcoming.

[1150] Here too, four.

[1151] I thought that was a very interesting concept.

[1152] Yeah, people who stand out so much that they feel they need to like kind of shrink and become smaller.

[1153] Yeah.

[1154] Okay.

[1155] So do you really prepare eels to cook by nailing them to.

[1156] a board.

[1157] Oh, that's a great question.

[1158] I got to say too.

[1159] I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but no thank you on eating eel.

[1160] Oh, Iron Chef recommends nailing it to the cutting board by putting a spike through its head and skinning and flaying the eel.

[1161] Okay, so that's real.

[1162] That's real eel.

[1163] I don't want to get that gnarly in the kitchen.

[1164] Yeah, but you're a little bit of a baby in the kitchen.

[1165] I'm just going to say that.

[1166] You're not going to like it.

[1167] They I already said it, but you didn't, oh, here we go.

[1168] Here we go into the fish territory.

[1169] Oh, sure, sure.

[1170] We're going to wait in.

[1171] Ding, ding, ding.

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] Okay, I'll say, I don't want to say, but the apartment did smell like fish.

[1174] It did smell like fish.

[1175] Now, that is not because of the recipe.

[1176] Stop laughing.

[1177] It is not because of the recipe or Allison.

[1178] It is because of me. It's big, well, and my apartment has what I'm realizing, zero ventilation, including no hood on the stove.

[1179] Yeah.

[1180] No nothing.

[1181] You're cooking it in a Ziploc bag, basically.

[1182] Yes, because even I made eggplant parmesan days later, once I got the fish smell out.

[1183] It took some days.

[1184] And then that smelled for days.

[1185] Like, it's just, it's not really the fish.

[1186] It's the apartment.

[1187] However, the fish smell did linger.

[1188] And it was a problem.

[1189] I'm really probably.

[1190] of you for admitting that i was not going to out you for it it was smelly and you you you could not stop talking about it and i was getting bummed out by that on the fact check or in real life no in real life when i when i admitted to you i was like it does smell i told you yeah yeah yeah yeah and and then you made a hold to do about my house smelling and well it was really comical For me, because you had a girls' night planned on the next day.

[1191] Multiple days later.

[1192] Okay.

[1193] And you were like in a panic, which was just really comical, ending to the whole debate.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] But you made fun of me. You got to, you made fun of me a lot.

[1196] Oh, I thought it was graceful.

[1197] No. Do you think I rubbed your nose in it?

[1198] I don't.

[1199] Yes.

[1200] Oh.

[1201] Yes, I do.

[1202] Okay.

[1203] But not, but it would have been totally funny.

[1204] Mm -hmm.

[1205] And I was really trying to think, like, why?

[1206] I shouldn't be, like, getting irritated by this because he's right.

[1207] And it's funny and who cares.

[1208] But then I really tried to deep dive.

[1209] And I thought, oh, I'm really sensitive to, like, my house smelling.

[1210] Oh, that makes a ton of sense.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] Yeah.

[1213] Which I never really put two and two together.

[1214] Oh, yeah.

[1215] Obviously, that's some childhood.

[1216] Yeah.

[1217] So.

[1218] I should have been more sensitive.

[1219] Why would you think about that?

[1220] I guess if you.

[1221] You forgot.

[1222] Of course, I forgot.

[1223] Yeah, exactly.

[1224] It was fine.

[1225] Anyway, the smell is gone.

[1226] The meal was very good.

[1227] And I've since made multiple other meals that house smells like that now, too.

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] But if given the choice between your house smelling like eggplant parmesan the next day or fish, what would you choose?

[1230] Eggplant parmesan?

[1231] Yeah, me too.

[1232] I just wanted to make sure.

[1233] But I didn't like that either.

[1234] I opened the door and I was like, ew, it smells like food.

[1235] Oh.

[1236] No, not.

[1237] Oh, my God.

[1238] Oh, my God.

[1239] You can't.

[1240] Help yourself.

[1241] Anyway, so I probably won't be making eel any time in my apartment.

[1242] A fucking eel.

[1243] I mean, it better, it would have to taste so insanely good to have to deal with nailing its skull to a fucking board and stuff.

[1244] People love octopus, too.

[1245] Have you tried it?

[1246] No, it's, well, first of all.

[1247] They're so smart.

[1248] Kalamari, the Oceana report, showed that like 50 % of it is pig anus, that you get at restaurants.

[1249] So right out of the gates, even if I loved it, I don't know that it'd be clamoring to eat it.

[1250] What do you mean 50 % is pig anus?

[1251] That in restaurants, they're selling it as octopus.

[1252] No, no. Calamari is an octopus.

[1253] It's squid.

[1254] Squid, yeah.

[1255] I think a squid is an octopus, isn't it?

[1256] Well, like, you can only really get octopus at fancy, fancy restaurants, and I think it's real.

[1257] And even then, it's pig anus, I think.

[1258] No, I don't think so.

[1259] You want to read the piginess thing?

[1260] You went, yeah, sure.

[1261] Octopi are very distinct.

[1262] They have these, like, rings.

[1263] And I watched a cooking video yesterday of a woman making octopus in her house.

[1264] Okay.

[1265] And it was a full octopus.

[1266] Kalamari, pig anus, Oceiana.

[1267] I can only imagine what's going to get advertised to me now.

[1268] In restaurants everywhere, right the second, people are squeezing lemon wedges over crispy golden rings, dipping the rings into marinera sauce, and they're eating hog, rectum.

[1269] Now they're chewing, satisfied, and deeply clueless.

[1270] It's payback for our blissful ignorance about where our food comes from and how it gets to us.

[1271] However, Wheeler did note that pig intestines are edible and are more commonly referred to as pork chitterlings.

[1272] You know, I don't need to go further into this, do I?

[1273] No, but I still think if you order octopus at a nice restaurant, you're getting octopus.

[1274] Oh, octopus for sure.

[1275] But Kalimari.

[1276] So this lady made an octopus yesterday, and I saw the video and she was holding it up and people like octopus a lot like it's like delicate yeah a delicatessin it's a delicatessent it's a delicatessent i so grossed out by it yeah it's too much but i want to be someone who is open -minded appreciates the finer things in life but they're really smart too so i don't like the idea of eating them they same with pigs yeah pigs are real smart yikes we ate bacon yesterday just yesterday yeah it's been a while too and we ate it today and i ate it the day before that oh my god you're on a bacon tear i know okay we talked a little bit already about redheads and pain so we probably don't need to go like charro yeah yeah yeah yeah we keep talking about charro redheads and pain we found that redheads were significantly more sensitive to cold pain perception, cold pain tolerance, and heat pain tolerance.

[1277] Heat pain perception threshold was also lower, but not significantly so in redheads.

[1278] Okay, so they're saying perception versus tolerance.

[1279] Okay.

[1280] That is weird.

[1281] Red header, redheaders.

[1282] Red heads are harder to sedate.

[1283] So they're harder to sedate.

[1284] Yeah, it says in addition, there is a recent evidence that redheads, redheads are more.

[1285] Red heads.

[1286] Oh, my God, it's so hard to say that redheads are more tolerant to low.

[1287] local anesthetics and more sensitive to opioids.

[1288] Okay, so local anesthetics, more tolerant, and then opiates less tolerant.

[1289] So, yeah, I guess it requires more anesthesia for redhead.

[1290] Does that make, does that seem right?

[1291] Yes.

[1292] But they also feel more pain?

[1293] This is confusing.

[1294] Yeah.

[1295] It only occurs naturally in 1 to 2 % of the human population.

[1296] Redheadedness?

[1297] Yeah, that's smaller than I thought.

[1298] Okay.

[1299] A number of studies have shown redheads feel pain differently and have different body reactions.

[1300] For instance, one study found that people with red hair are more sensitive to thermal pain, while another showed that they are less sensitive to a wide array of painful stimuli, including electrically induced pain.

[1301] So it's not as simple as saying that redheads are more or less tolerant to pain.

[1302] They just tend to feel pain differently.

[1303] Interesting.

[1304] Very interesting.

[1305] And it makes me picture some weird study that was conducted on redheads with electrical shock.

[1306] to see how they dealt with it.

[1307] How do they know this?

[1308] Exactly.

[1309] They must have rounded up a bunch of gingers and strapped them to some electrodes and zapped them.

[1310] The CIA did it.

[1311] Yeah, probably.

[1312] To make it even more intriguing research has also shown that redheads require more anesthetic.

[1313] Okay, that tracks.

[1314] All right.

[1315] Consistent.

[1316] Interesting.

[1317] Okay.

[1318] You were right about Still Life with Woodpecker.

[1319] It's Tom Robbins.

[1320] Yeah.

[1321] Oh, good.

[1322] You're right about that.

[1323] I hope he reads it.

[1324] Did H1N1 come from pigs?

[1325] Yes.

[1326] Swine flu.

[1327] Swine flu.

[1328] Oh my God.

[1329] Okay.

[1330] So I looked up some Olympic stuff.

[1331] Okay.

[1332] And he was never there.

[1333] There's a really funny.

[1334] This is so funny.

[1335] There's a quote by him.

[1336] By Rupert.

[1337] Yeah.

[1338] Okay.

[1339] There's a quote by Rupert that says, The Harry Potter star told BBC News, it was an overwhelming experience that he hoped to remember forever.

[1340] I laughed so hard when I read that.

[1341] He already knew he was going to forget it.

[1342] He has remembered literally zero.

[1343] Doesn't know if it was 100 feet or two miles.

[1344] It doesn't know who he got it from, who he gave it to.

[1345] He really meant, God, I hope I can remember this tomorrow.

[1346] Oh, my God, that made me laugh so.

[1347] I think it's a little bit of a product of being in the Harry Potter.

[1348] or franchises like life is just so spectacular yeah because we were talking about the queen for a long time yeah yeah yeah he was like i met the queen and i was like wait what yeah like yeah like you just remembered yeah but for him yeah you're right i think it probably does have to do with living in a heightened life it kind of this kind of happens too when i talk to people who have brought to the sand dunes like of course they remember the trip really really well oh remember we went out and blah blah blah and i don't because well hey i've done it a thousand times and it's the the level of heightened it excitement is lower because I'm used to it.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] And I'm just always aware, like, oh, yeah, these trips are super memorable for people.

[1351] Yeah.

[1352] But they're just one of many trips.

[1353] Yeah, exactly.

[1354] Okay, so speaking of how far people run, it just says they run a short leg.

[1355] Almost anyone can carry a torch provided that he is, this says he, not like that, is at least 14 years old and is able to carry it for at least 400 meters, 437 yards.

[1356] Okay, so 1 ,200 feet.

[1357] Okay.

[1358] Quarter mile.

[1359] Okay.

[1360] So that's once around the track.

[1361] Yeah.

[1362] They do like some cool stuff with this torch.

[1363] There's like the Stanley Cup.

[1364] People drink beer out of it and pooping it and peeing it.

[1365] Do you know all the stuff about the Stanley Cup?

[1366] They pooping it and pee in?

[1367] So the Stanley Cup when they win, you win physically the same Stanley Cup.

[1368] There's not multiple.

[1369] So they're just holding it for a year.

[1370] So they take it everywhere.

[1371] They take it on the tour box.

[1372] They take, and all kinds of shenanigans happen with the Stanley Cup because of that.

[1373] I think they're all, I think they're all trying to do something that no one else is done with the cup.

[1374] Oh, gross.

[1375] And I think a lot of them think that would be pooping in it, but I think most of them have pooped in.

[1376] Who do we know who's won it?

[1377] Dion must have been on a Stanley Cup winning team, I'd imagine.

[1378] We should find out.

[1379] Yeah.

[1380] I'd like to know more about this.

[1381] And you know, it gets progressively bigger the cup because they like weld that year's I think.

[1382] Wow, we don't know much at all.

[1383] There's so many rumors, but not enough facts.

[1384] I almost think I got an email that was like, do you want to interact with the Stanley Cup?

[1385] Actually, I do think you got that a couple of years ago.

[1386] Yeah.

[1387] But you said no. Well, I know everyone's pooped in it.

[1388] So I don't, like what would I have a Diet Coke out of it?

[1389] not after what it's been through.

[1390] Maybe you could have pooped in it, added your own poop.

[1391] Too pedestrian.

[1392] I'd have to do something novel.

[1393] Oh, my God.

[1394] Yeah.

[1395] Just like the T -Rex with a cute hat on.

[1396] Mm -hmm.

[1397] Okay.

[1398] The name of Britain's government system.

[1399] You said democratic monarchy, constitutional monarchy, yeah.

[1400] Yep.

[1401] I thought of that an hour after we left.

[1402] Oh, you did?

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] What is the poem about the days of the week, Wednesday's child is full of sorrow?

[1405] Okay.

[1406] So the poem is, this version, is Monday's child is fair of face.

[1407] Tuesday's child is full of grace.

[1408] Wednesday's child is full of woe.

[1409] Thursday's child has far to go.

[1410] Friday's child is loving and giving.

[1411] Saturday's child works for its living.

[1412] And a child that's born on the Sabbath day is fair and wise and good and gay.

[1413] That's one of the stupidest poems I've ever heard in my life.

[1414] It says absolutely nothing.

[1415] What is that saying?

[1416] It's just so random.

[1417] Mother goose.

[1418] Sorry, Mother Goose.

[1419] I don't mean to offend, but none of that's true.

[1420] None of that makes sense.

[1421] Well, it kind of makes sense.

[1422] No. Monday's child is definitely fair a face.

[1423] Exactly.

[1424] What on earth does that mean?

[1425] Oh, man. Well, Saturday's child works for its living.

[1426] I think some people, I think they think, well, if I've rhymed, I've accomplished something.

[1427] Like this is a real accomplishment because I rhymed.

[1428] Who is Mother Goose?

[1429] Is that like multiple people or let me look?

[1430] No, that would be Mother Geese.

[1431] I know, but they're parading around this imaginary author of a collection of French fairy tales and later of English nursery rhymes.

[1432] So a lot of people, I guess.

[1433] Back to that poem.

[1434] It's just anyone that reads it should think, well, that was a waste of time.

[1435] there is nothing of value in it whatsoever, other than that the words rhymed.

[1436] Yeah, sometimes rhyming is fun.

[1437] Yeah, sometimes it's spectacular.

[1438] When Shakespeare does it, it's incredible.

[1439] You like it when Shakespeare does it?

[1440] I can't understand it.

[1441] But when someone explains it to me, it's really impressive.

[1442] Well, somebody could explain this, and maybe it's just as impressive.

[1443] Somebody explain it to us guys.

[1444] I challenge someone to do that.

[1445] I accept that challenge.

[1446] Okay, Laura has a theory, an armchair theory, about it.

[1447] you she wrote down here okay i'm going to say it i'm also going to say i i don't think she's right but you tell me all right she says she thinks you don't like the royals because you're an atheist and people believe that god ordains king or queen basically that that's a very solid theory it totally makes sense that's not my issue with it it's it's phony unmerited status yeah i don't even think because you never bring up that the that god ordained them so did you even know that Well, I know that there's always been this complicated relationship with the Pope and the kings of Europe.

[1448] Oh, yeah.

[1449] And that when breaking during the Protestant Reformation, that that came with it, this great risk that the Pope would take away their authority to be.

[1450] But it's all hogwash, you know.

[1451] It's all Hogwarts.

[1452] It's all Hogwarts.

[1453] Pringles.

[1454] That's all.

[1455] Well, thank you so much for that.

[1456] Rupert.

[1457] Rupert, you silly son of a guy, so unique.

[1458] You silly Valentine.

[1459] So playful.

[1460] Oh, boy.

[1461] You can barely carry a torch.

[1462] I love you.

[1463] I love you.

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