Wyatt & Kurt Russell

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dak Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Monica Padman.

[3] Hi.

[4] Hello, we have a blast from my past today.

[5] This is so outrageously fun.

[6] Yeah, it was really fun.

[7] Kurt and Wyatt Russell.

[8] Father and son.

[9] Our first father and son duo.

[10] Our first, but not to be our last.

[11] I hope not.

[12] If they go as good as this one did.

[13] Yeah.

[14] I'm now very open to father and son duos.

[15] Kurt Russell, I don't need to tell you about him.

[16] I mean, fuck, Kurt Russell.

[17] the thing hateful eight escape from new york fucking icon icon my favorite growing up snake fucking pliskins what a guy and then of course white russell the most beautiful boy who's grown into the most natural and wonderful actor i'm so happy for him uh black mirror the falcon and the winter soldier under the banner of heaven he was spectacular in my favorite show of last year and then uh night swim is a new movie that he's got out right this second and of course they're here to talk about their new series out on Apple Plus, Monarch, Legacy of Monsters.

[18] Oh, was this a party?

[19] Such fun.

[20] It was.

[21] Please enjoy Kurt and Wyatt Russell.

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[25] He's an armchair expert.

[26] Hey, you got a little.

[27] Hi, my, Carl.

[28] How'd you do?

[29] How's it going?

[30] I was looking at his RV.

[31] And that Lincoln, did you say it Lincoln?

[32] Oh, yeah.

[33] That Lincoln is...

[34] You and I were just discussing that you don't give a shit about any of this stuff.

[35] And then your dad already checked up the whole fleet.

[36] It's so fucking funny.

[37] But he's got a sprinter.

[38] Yeah, you didn't mention the sprinter.

[39] The sprinter is cool.

[40] I mean, there's no car element to it.

[41] But it's like set up for overlanding or camping.

[42] Yes.

[43] My wife and I spent two months when she was pregnant the first one.

[44] time in the van during COVID.

[45] We did, like, the tour of all the national parks and stuff, and it was the greatest thing I ever did.

[46] I never would make one of these buys where you go down to Costa Mesa and just some dude, who's 21, who, like, built a van by himself.

[47] He's like, do you want to buy this for a bunch of money?

[48] And I was like, yes.

[49] And now I'm fucking trying to sell it.

[50] Because it's only got two seats.

[51] We have to get another one.

[52] We're going to have four of us.

[53] Pregnant wife.

[54] Getting close to deliver?

[55] Oh, yeah.

[56] Because I watched an interview with y 'all that happened really recently, and they were saying you weren't going to travel for the holidays because it might come.

[57] And then I thought my birthday was two days ago.

[58] And then when I was watching this interview and I thought, what a blessing if this little guy was born on January 2nd.

[59] We could share a birthday.

[60] Happy birthday.

[61] Thank you so much.

[62] Well, first one is December 26.

[63] So it was day after.

[64] Oh, what a terrible.

[65] Terrible birthday.

[66] In another shit one coming.

[67] We woke up day after Christmas on Boxing Day.

[68] Everyone's fucking exhausted.

[69] Buddy wakes up and it's still dark outside and like, buddy, just to grind it through.

[70] We're like, it's your birthday.

[71] He's three, and he goes, ugh, not now.

[72] And I was like, that's the right response.

[73] I haven't played with the shit I got yesterday.

[74] Yeah, yeah.

[75] Because I make an argument that my birthday is the very worst, because it's January 2nd.

[76] So everyone just made their resolutions.

[77] No one wants to drink.

[78] No one wants to eat.

[79] No one wants to come to your fucking party.

[80] They're all partied and socialized out.

[81] And you're like, come celebrate me. Today is my mom's birthday.

[82] Now, she died three years ago, but for all of our lives, January 4th, we always felt like, we got to do something.

[83] You know, come on.

[84] Yeah, yeah.

[85] She was always great about it.

[86] She just kind of, well, ah, don't worry about it.

[87] But did she acknowledge it's a shitty birthday?

[88] Terrible time.

[89] It is his worst.

[90] 26.

[91] It's tough.

[92] It's tough.

[93] It's tough.

[94] It's tough.

[95] That's really bad.

[96] If he's anything like me, it would be the best because I fucking hated my birthday.

[97] Why?

[98] I didn't like being in the center of tension.

[99] Well, and also the pressure.

[100] that it puts on you.

[101] Your friends are coming over.

[102] They're expecting a good time.

[103] Hated that.

[104] That's me, too.

[105] I love attention, but I panic that everyone's going to be bored at my party.

[106] Like, I just have no confidence in my ability to host a party.

[107] Yeah, none.

[108] I luckily married a woman who's the greatest at it.

[109] We were talking about that the other day where I was like, if I didn't marry my wife, I'd be a shut -in recluse.

[110] I wouldn't see anybody.

[111] It would be awful.

[112] I'd be a terrible person.

[113] You really need to marry your opposite.

[114] Yes.

[115] There's a Russell Jean, though, that's really telling.

[116] Deep.

[117] It's a dominant gene.

[118] It's a dominant gene.

[119] My sister, Jill, we call her the herman of Tio.

[120] She takes it to it in a good extreme.

[121] Yeah, Kurt, you're like borderline living off grid and eating moose for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[122] So here's the weird part of today.

[123] I haven't seen Dax for years.

[124] It's great to see you.

[125] And all I can think of is I'm looking at that T -Rex head there.

[126] I'm calling it a T -Rex head.

[127] It is.

[128] Yes, that's correct.

[129] Because when we worked together on this Monarch show, in my RV, There was that exact T -Rex head, and it was stolen.

[130] No. You son of a bitch.

[131] You son of a bitch.

[132] You got it.

[133] Happy Christmas.

[134] Well, the origin of this is that Monica and I want to invest in an actual T -Rex skull, which there are millions of dollars.

[135] But we're going to amortize the cost by letting people fuck in the mouth of it.

[136] We're going to put a bed in there, and people want to fuck inside of a T -Rex is elevate the stakes.

[137] You might get eaten.

[138] It's a sex hotel.

[139] You don't just calm and don't it's like there's amenities and stuff.

[140] Wobby, when you turn me up a hair?

[141] I think I have Monica's setting from synced.

[142] Monica likes it nice and soft.

[143] Seriously, though, how great is where your life has gone, where you've taken it?

[144] You've always been a very talented guy and all that, but to be able to personalize your life that succinctly, congrats, man. Way to go.

[145] Thank you so much.

[146] Honestly, it's hard to comprehend that it could have worked out the way it did, but I'm sure you have felt that many times throughout your life.

[147] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[148] Way beyond.

[149] You deserve this.

[150] How did I get this?

[151] Am I going to lose this?

[152] It's complex and fucking incredible.

[153] I never worry about losing it because I never minded where I was.

[154] It's never been bad.

[155] I try to remind myself.

[156] I'm more excited about this interview than I've been for one in years.

[157] And I'm telling you the truth because I want to tell you guys what a magical week of my life that was.

[158] I mean, it is in my like if I had my top 20 weeks in my life.

[159] Great place.

[160] Fuck the place.

[161] Like, hey, you're right.

[162] You guys.

[163] You too.

[164] Kurt, I had so much goddamn fun with you.

[165] It was fun.

[166] It was so fun.

[167] And then I'm curious.

[168] Yes, I'll tell the whole story.

[169] It's about at this point they don't know what you're talking about.

[170] That's my job.

[171] For me, it was so special.

[172] And then, of course, over the years, I'm like, I wonder if they remember I was even at their house.

[173] Totally.

[174] But yes, when I was dating Kate, I got to come up to y 'all's Canada house on the lake in Muscoca.

[175] And I had never been there.

[176] Never met you guys.

[177] I get there.

[178] It's just a fucking blast every single day.

[179] We go out in your old 60s wooden boat.

[180] You finally got to give you.

[181] your head around to talk to?

[182] Yeah, right.

[183] I was a libertarian at the time.

[184] You could talk politics.

[185] Don't tell me you wandered, son.

[186] Well, listen, we met in 07.

[187] 08.

[188] It occurred to me. We need some oversight on the financial sector.

[189] Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't hurt.

[190] Well, that place, they got it when I was 10 and just shaped every great experience that I ever had.

[191] And it became, I think my friends were up there when you were up there.

[192] Yeah.

[193] We're talking about Muscoca, Canada.

[194] Skok of Canada.

[195] A few hours north of Toronto.

[196] Summers?

[197] What is this?

[198] It was like August -y, I think.

[199] Yeah, yeah.

[200] Like late July, August.

[201] We joked that it was like Hogwarts.

[202] If you knew about it, you knew.

[203] Since then, it's blown up.

[204] It's become a whole different place.

[205] But it had a very magical feeling to it.

[206] Because we didn't have TV.

[207] We didn't really have much internet at the time.

[208] It wasn't good internet.

[209] Cell phones weren't the same.

[210] There was no Instagram or Facebook or Twitter.

[211] And so you completely left everything behind.

[212] and you had 14 days or whatever it was to just actually be with the people that you loved and take two or three days of doing that and all of a sudden everything shifts.

[213] I totally agree with you, and I would argue that even you and I had more chats in a week than we would in modern times if we went somewhere for a month.

[214] And it's always like at 2 o 'clock in the morning, two to five.

[215] Yeah, right.

[216] You know, you're just sitting in the Skokka room.

[217] You can hear the loons outside.

[218] It is magical.

[219] Oh, it's so special.

[220] And you go swimming in that water.

[221] It's medicinal.

[222] Every morning I jumped in and I find, fucking swam across the little bay you're in when the water's glass it's just amazing yeah and so why i met you and i was like this fucking guy's so special and sweet i guess you hadn't stopped playing hockey yet no not yet yeah not yet so you were playing professional hockey but you were also really into guitar you were practicing guitar the whole time yeah and you were like writing songs yeah and you were super interested in that and i was like look at this paradox this This dude plays hockey, which is the bro -yest, toughest thing.

[223] But then he's in the tiny spiritual room of the house working on his folk songs.

[224] Yeah.

[225] I love that.

[226] It was a little difficult because for me, playing hockey, it's a blue -collar Canadian sport.

[227] You know, Michigan, Minnesota, they have their own hockey culture.

[228] So when I was instrumental, anything with strings, I love.

[229] If I did that too much, my coaches and some of the people that were gatekeepers for hockey would go, he's not interested in really being a hockey player.

[230] He wants to go into the arts.

[231] And maybe self -fulfilling for them because you're already the son of artists.

[232] Oh, yeah.

[233] They all got a ship on their shoulder about that.

[234] So you're completely trying your very fucking artist to show them, I'm going to buzz my hair.

[235] I'm going to be like this soldier who's going to do my job and put my head down and work hard.

[236] You're going to remove some on my teeth.

[237] Yeah, even though they didn't get knocked out.

[238] I'm going to say they did.

[239] But he refused to lose his flip -flops.

[240] Yeah, I had eggs him on my feet.

[241] And after games, I'd be like, I'll take the shoe.

[242] off because they'll get a little moist.

[243] Water and eczema don't mix.

[244] So I would wear my flip -flops around the hotel.

[245] And the coach was like, no flip -flops.

[246] He was from Minnesota.

[247] I won't say his name because the guy was a dick.

[248] And he just hated me because I was a laid -back person.

[249] And you were from California.

[250] And I was from California and parents of Hollywood.

[251] It was all didn't work.

[252] I was supposed to play.

[253] And I'm walking down to get a gatorade in the hotel in like, you know, Hampton Inn or wherever we are in Sioux Falls.

[254] and I go down and I'm wearing my flip -flops The elevator opens and the coach is there And he's like, hey, Russ, how's it gone?

[255] I was like, hey, go to her.

[256] And he looks down on my feet, he goes, flip -flops, huh?

[257] I was like, yeah?

[258] And he's like, oh, it was like a little pause.

[259] He goes, you're not playing a night.

[260] Oh, my God, for that?

[261] We're wearing flip -flops to get a gatorade in the hotel.

[262] But you do have to understand that the Canadian athlete, maybe the last athlete on the planet that truly has a lot of respect for authority.

[263] Yeah, it was like, there's no questioning it.

[264] I didn't wear a flight.

[265] flip -flops.

[266] But anyway, the point is is that I had to be sort of one way for them, and then I had to be one way for me. And eventually it got to a point where when I got hurt, it was like, okay, now I'm going to be who I am.

[267] And I've learned how to build guitars and make guitars and the guitar became a massive part of my life.

[268] Always has.

[269] Met my wife when we doing a movie where we sang.

[270] Right.

[271] You were playing a full singer.

[272] We got to sing and write songs together and fell in love and still write songs and sing together and have a blast together.

[273] And now I'm building violins.

[274] And it's a real part of my life that I don't make the center of myself, but it is sort of who I am.

[275] Can we geek out for 14 seconds?

[276] Because I literally just read this three days ago.

[277] The Stradivarius, which I was aware of, the violins, there were so much.

[278] I did not realize those are all from the 1600 or 1700s.

[279] 1700s, yeah, from a certain period of his life.

[280] Not all of them, but he had a golden period in his 70s that he made most of his great violence.

[281] I just read about one.

[282] It has like the least amount of play on it.

[283] The Messiah?

[284] Oh my God, that might be the name of it.

[285] It's like a $14 million.

[286] Yeah, it's probably the Messiah.

[287] The Messiah is like the most untouched of all the Strad violins.

[288] So where I make violins, J. Brown violins.

[289] Okay.

[290] I go there every Tuesday and Thursday, and he's my violin -making teacher.

[291] And he has a client who lives around here, actually, and he brought in one day, he has a strad and a Gwinteri.

[292] Those are the two guys, right?

[293] He opens up the case, and he's like, hey, look at this.

[294] I'm looking at it.

[295] I'm like, holy shit, that's a real strad.

[296] And he's like, yeah, and he bought it in the 80s.

[297] It was like 500 grand now.

[298] It's worth a lot more money.

[299] Many millions.

[300] And it's like his ticket to the world.

[301] So I'm building a strad model called the Titian.

[302] And so I got to look at the actual model that I'm building from the mold that was made.

[303] It's the real deal.

[304] Like very, very few people get to do that.

[305] Yeah.

[306] Very lucky.

[307] And so I've gotten some really cool experiences through violin making.

[308] What is the ingredient that make them so coveted?

[309] Is it the wood that was used?

[310] Is it the geometry?

[311] There's a bit of a mystery to it, which makes it so fun.

[312] and exciting for people to talk about.

[313] One of the things is that where they got all the wood, the forest that they got the wood from, is gone.

[314] It was a high altitude forest.

[315] They were getting wood from, like, very, very, very old trees, and they would go on these amazing wood trips.

[316] But I'd be right to assume that the older the tree is, that the less it's going to change after it's been made and used?

[317] You want to keep the moisture consistent, but, yeah, the older of the tree, if it's not diseased, the better it is because the heart of the wood's going to be.

[318] The other thing is the alchemist and the violin makers and apothecaries of the time would create these furnishes and blends with metals in them and stuff that they've discovered that they don't really use anymore.

[319] So a lot of it's the finish as well?

[320] The finish as well.

[321] And then mostly, Strad changed how the violin was actually structured.

[322] He elongated the body.

[323] He did certain things that changed it.

[324] And that's the violin that we know today.

[325] But there's so many tiny little things and really what makes it exciting for me is that every violin's different.

[326] It's a very, very, very human.

[327] experience.

[328] A violin cannot be made well by a machine.

[329] You have to be able to hear the tone of the violin of the piece of wood that you're working with because no piece of wood is the same.

[330] No grain runs the same way.

[331] You've got to like hood it at the node and find where the tone is and then you structure the sound according to what the wood is telling you.

[332] Oh my God.

[333] And so it's a great lesson for life.

[334] It's been important for me because I can get a little jittery and it's like the wood won't do what it doesn't want to do.

[335] Right.

[336] You can't control.

[337] There's a lot of acceptance involved.

[338] Yes.

[339] I can't make that go any deeper.

[340] I can't make it go any lower.

[341] I'm just going to have to live with that as it is.

[342] What a lesson is you enter father.

[343] Oh, my God.

[344] It's true.

[345] It's made me so much more patient because you get so frustrated.

[346] Sometimes you're like, why the fuck won't this fat?

[347] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[348] But it's a microcosm for waking up every morning with Buddy and my wife and being patient and going, okay, no, right now this three -year -old, the psychotic brain does not want to do this.

[349] He hates his birthday today.

[350] What am I going to do?

[351] What am I going to do?

[352] Can't make him like his birthday.

[353] I'd consider it the first love of my husband.

[354] hobbies in my life and it's important to me. And can you play the violin?

[355] No, horribly.

[356] My grandfather was a professional violinist on my mom's side.

[357] He owned a jewelry shop, but he played the Baltimore Philharmonic, played White Houses.

[358] That was his job.

[359] He was a violinist.

[360] Oh, wow.

[361] My other great grandfather, he was a violinist.

[362] He just pointed to your dad.

[363] My grandfather, you had a musician in your lineage.

[364] He was a first chair of violinist for Fritz Chrysler in that orchestra.

[365] He was the Boston Conservatory.

[366] Oh.

[367] So violin runs in the family and I was like, well, and I did play violin when I was five because I wanted to play like my grandfather.

[368] My mom's got some of his old violins in basement.

[369] One of them is actually a prominent maker.

[370] It was something I wanted to do, but my wife would murder me if I learned how to play violin.

[371] If you don't play it perfectly, it's the most offensive.

[372] There's nothing like here.

[373] There's actually a great video.

[374] There's a reason why all horror movies.

[375] Yeah, you tell it.

[376] It's a classic.

[377] Goldie's mom, Laura, was in her last weeks of living, and she was in hospital, and so Goldie wanted quiet to come in and play.

[378] He was Twinkle Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star on the violin, and it was absolute.

[379] fingernails on a chocolate in a hospital and it was enough to ripping wires out on video my dad was videotaping the whole thing he was slow zoom on her face and it is excruciating the video one of those things where he got so bad it starts to shake I thought it made noise but I couldn't help her it was classic you're like loving it probably Suzanne, it's a train wrecked.

[380] Oh my God, I must get that video.

[381] And you have to get social media.

[382] You must post that.

[383] The last thing she experienced the auditory torture from a boy she didn't recognize.

[384] That was the end of my violin playing.

[385] If you can't do, Bill.

[386] Well, when the last person you performed for died.

[387] Yeah, right.

[388] That's not the best.

[389] So, yeah, guitar making is a little cooler and more accessible.

[390] He's a really good guitar player.

[391] Have you guys ever played together?

[392] No, I only watched you play when I was up there, and I was pretty blown away.

[393] Meredith, my wife, she's an unbelievably talented singer.

[394] Her grandmother finished second to Patsy Klein in the, you know.

[395] I don't know if you would know this monocke.

[396] I didn't know this until I was reading about you today, that your wife is in search party.

[397] Yes.

[398] She's the blonde.

[399] But I haven't seen it.

[400] Oh, it's a great show.

[401] I know.

[402] I know.

[403] Oh, my God.

[404] It's so good.

[405] She's incredible.

[406] She's so funny.

[407] Yeah, she's so good.

[408] Great.

[409] Yeah.

[410] And she's the best.

[411] She's 10 times better person than I am in every possible way.

[412] Like, holds down the fort in our family.

[413] I'm the luckiest guy in the world.

[414] We have a fun relationship with music together.

[415] Her Patsy Klein is fucking unbelievable.

[416] She can say.

[417] Yeah, I keep saying, you got to do something with music.

[418] We keep looking for it.

[419] Yeah, that seems hard to.

[420] manifest.

[421] But I would imagine this thing we're here to talk about, Monarch, similar thing where it's like you guys have been offered a ton of opportunities to play father -son, and then you're probably not even sure how you would ever work together.

[422] And then this bizarre version, which is probably the coolest way to do it, is you guys are going to play the same person throughout time, which is so cool.

[423] You couldn't have scripted that six years ago.

[424] Over the years, Wyatt and I, like Oliver and I, Austin and I, Wyatt and I have talked about doing things together, what it might be.

[425] So there were a lot of opportunities to play father and son was also the kind of thing he and I would kick around an idea and we had some good ones but we're just both so lazy we're not gonna do anything about it you're bow hunting he's violin yeah exactly so this one was unique in that it was the same person we thought wait a minute that is interesting and it turns out that it had never really been done before with two known actors it was a challenging idea well listen I'm gonna be dead honest with you I know you guys are coming I'm like I gotta watch that fucking monster show and I'm like yeah I'm gonna do this because A it's my job be i love these guys and then i wrangled my children into watching it with me my nine and 10 year old and we watched three episodes back to back last night it's fucking awesome it's so good it's so not what i was expected it's different be kind of corny bad cg yeah godzilla what we didn't want to do we did too in a way you're like what's this going to be well anytime you take one of these properties like we're going to do the tonka trucks moving you're like hmm i love tonka trucks but i don't know about that as a movie right and similarly you've been watching Godzilla.

[426] It's a double -edged sword idea, and we were just a casting idea.

[427] Do you do the double, you'd kind of go, Godzilla, wait a minute, keep saying Godzilla.

[428] What would it be, what would it be if we did a Godzilla?

[429] You know, and you finally say, well, let's take a look and start thinking.

[430] I don't know, it seems to have been something in my life that I've just always lashed on to doing things that people don't understand to begin with.

[431] And then it takes a long time to get, oh, I see.

[432] So many of your successes were terrible ideas.

[433] If we're being, I didn't escape from New York.

[434] I wouldn't say it that way.

[435] See, that was the thing.

[436] I wouldn't say it was a terrible.

[437] I think it's a great idea.

[438] New York's a prison?

[439] That's already funny.

[440] Okay, okay.

[441] Back in 1980, for people who weren't from New York, it was like, you're in New York.

[442] I'm in this place is a prison.

[443] I wasn't specific enough.

[444] A lot of the things you tackled had a high probability of failure, and they fucking worked.

[445] But they were huge swings.

[446] Yes.

[447] But did you see it as out of where you just like, I like this?

[448] Just tickled my funny bone or it struck me as I really think this is good.

[449] I think this is different.

[450] I started early with Disney stuff.

[451] So I guess maybe I sort of had my fill of mainstream.

[452] If I could try to figure it out, which is no point in doing.

[453] And can I just add a detail to that?

[454] Because I think it will fascinate you.

[455] He as a boy had a 10 -year contract with Disney.

[456] He was the highest grossing movie star for Disney pictures throughout the 70s as a child.

[457] Oh, wow.

[458] I did not know that.

[459] Right.

[460] I don't think a lot of people would know that.

[461] The one of the last things Walt Disney wrote that they have is him writing down Kurt's name.

[462] And you, like, knew him, right?

[463] Actually did, yeah.

[464] Was he a lovely dude?

[465] What kind of guy was he?

[466] He was an interesting man. He reminded me of my grandfather.

[467] He was very creative.

[468] Did he have, like, a childlikeness that you would imagine?

[469] No, I always liked watching him be here on the set because I could see that he was watching things for a purpose.

[470] He wasn't just observing, you know?

[471] He just was wonderful to me. He gave me the opportunity to go to all the departments and meet the department heads.

[472] And he talked to me about what this department did, what that department did.

[473] You told me a cool story in Muscoe, which was like, you had done all these years of acting, then you pursued baseball.

[474] And, you know, Kurt played professional baseball for years.

[475] No, I don't know.

[476] We need, I need all the deeps.

[477] I'm telling you, I'm going to annoy you, but I'm going to tell all the details.

[478] Professional baseball player gets injured, decides to go, or at least is what you told me in Canada, gets injured decides I'm going back into this business, but I want to fucking know this thing inside and out.

[479] And what did you do?

[480] Well, at that time, I was 22 years old, and I had gone to junior.

[481] I'm looking at Monica.

[482] He's already heard it.

[483] Yeah, I went to junior college for 29 days in 1969 and said that's good for me. I did that.

[484] Couldn't make it a month.

[485] So I didn't continue on and I just continued to work.

[486] I decided that I did want to have an education in something.

[487] And so when I knew I wasn't going to be able to play baseball anymore, that was a big change for me. I never really looked at the motion picture business as something that I was going to do to make my living at.

[488] Can I have one detail?

[489] Yeah.

[490] Because it's a really fascinating parallel between both of you, which is his father was a, a successful actor.

[491] He was in a bunch of westerns Bing.

[492] And he was a professional baseball player.

[493] Oh, wow.

[494] Right.

[495] He's growing up second generation actor.

[496] It frames the whole thing so differently.

[497] Whatever your parents said, like, I didn't want to go sell used cars.

[498] That's what my dad did.

[499] You don't want to do what your parents do.

[500] But we did.

[501] Right.

[502] The Apple Jeff came going very close to the tree, you know.

[503] Finally, then I said, I've got to learn something.

[504] I've got to really know something.

[505] And I said, the truth is, I've never really paid much attention in this business.

[506] So what I'd probably told you was that I decided my college experience was going to be taking one department.

[507] for every television or movie that I did and spend it with that department.

[508] Oh, wow.

[509] And I did.

[510] For every single thing in our business, I spent one show with the sound department, the electricians, the camera department, all the way up to studio head, who I promised I would never reveal who that was.

[511] And that's because it was hearing conversations you're not supposed to hear.

[512] But I'm in craft service.

[513] I don't care what it is.

[514] I did it for about four years, and I said, okay, I've done every department and I understand what it is they're doing.

[515] why they're doing it.

[516] Gave me a great appreciation for number one being on time.

[517] We need to really make a meal of how preposterous that was because you were McCulley Culkin.

[518] Okay.

[519] Go on.

[520] It's your podcast.

[521] You're a child superstar.

[522] Oh, yeah, I was starting Disney movies when I was young, you know, and I did do a television series when I was 11.

[523] So if I was on a movie set and I went to craft service and I saw McCauley Culkin was stocking the fucking candy bars, that's an insane proposition.

[524] And all the way down to the, what do you need next week?

[525] How many crew are going to be here?

[526] Is there going to be a B side to this A side?

[527] Every department has its difficulties.

[528] I mean, it has its real things to deal with.

[529] And were people around you witnessing you?

[530] Yeah, they understood it.

[531] They probably respected it.

[532] Well, also, got to understand every time it was a different, many times they didn't know.

[533] One time it was with a director.

[534] I think, yeah, it just kind of felt like I was an ass kisser.

[535] But it was just something that I needed to do for myself to say, okay, I have an education and something.

[536] I do understand what I've gone to school myself.

[537] four.

[538] It verified one thing.

[539] There were two departments for me that had the most fun.

[540] And that was the actors and the stunt guys.

[541] Okay.

[542] That's my world.

[543] It takes five minutes on a set to realize you want to be a stunt man. Yeah.

[544] It's fun.

[545] And all you do is sit around and tell stories of all the gags you've pulled.

[546] And you've broken your bag.

[547] And you grew up with stunt guys because my dad had him at the house all the time.

[548] Stun energy is like, they're always right there.

[549] And what do you need?

[550] I'm like, they've been out here for 14 hours and the energy level has not dead.

[551] Also, talk about paradox.

[552] All they talk about is safety.

[553] And then they're You're so fucking reckless.

[554] Yeah, I know.

[555] You try to set everything up.

[556] That was the thing in my career that I enjoyed about as much as anything was being able to work with my two stunt guys.

[557] I did 26 movies with John Casino and 24 more movies with Dick Warlock.

[558] If this isn't done safely, it's not safe for anybody to do.

[559] But I was also an athlete.

[560] So it was like, if this is safe for you, I can do this.

[561] So let's go.

[562] And let's tell them what we can do with the camera and what we can.

[563] John and Dick were just tremendous guys.

[564] You could do things with them that very few stunt guys could do with other actors.

[565] Is it fair for me to guess as well, because I think we have the same chip on our shoulder, which is the acting's a little, it's not very studly.

[566] There's a phrase for that.

[567] Okay.

[568] Which is very simple.

[569] I always have carried it with me proudly.

[570] Every actress is a little more than a woman, and every actor is just a little less than a man. I'm very proud of that.

[571] It fits me to a team.

[572] That's great.

[573] My first goals on a set are, I don't care about impressing the director.

[574] I want to impress Transpo.

[575] I'm going to tell them how much I tow.

[576] And then I go over to stunt guys and talk dirt bikes and shit.

[577] So I'm just trying to let them know, like, yeah, I do this acting thing, but I mean, for real.

[578] I'm one of you guys.

[579] It's something that after I was done playing hockey, I could relate to the stunt team more in certain ways because they're more in the world of what I was doing.

[580] Destroying your body for a goal.

[581] Exactly.

[582] And testing the limits.

[583] and that energy was there, and I associated myself with it more.

[584] The brotherhood, too.

[585] The brotherhood between actors can be dicey, because everyone's kind of competing for the attention.

[586] There's no brotherhood and acting.

[587] There's not, but then you're the stunt dudes.

[588] They're bros. They hang out in the bar.

[589] You know, you got to be careful with this because it really gets you in trouble, and I will dispel that now.

[590] I don't think in my life, and I've had the opportunity to do some really cool stuff with airplanes, baseball, wine, hunting.

[591] I mean, I've done things that are unbelievably fulfilling in so many ways.

[592] But when you do something as an actor with someone else, then you just have this little magic thing that happens, there's nothing that compares to that.

[593] I totally agree with you.

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[613] I was having a difficult time.

[614] What I was going to say was that before, I wasn't able to get what I was getting out of hockey, which was this scenario where you're placed all in the same team.

[615] It's very clear.

[616] Any idiot can figure it out.

[617] We are on the same team.

[618] We are assuming the same responsibilities to try and get a very specific goal win the championship.

[619] On a set, it was hard for me to get there because if you're coming from the world I came from, and then you're going to work for two weeks.

[620] You're not getting a feel for it.

[621] And I didn't have this dream to be an actor.

[622] Hockey was my dream.

[623] And acting was something that I'd seen and grown up with and saw how much fun it could be, but we weren't involved in it that much.

[624] You know, and then I've been in a couple bigger movies and then some with big people and they'd go home and they wouldn't hang out and it was just like oh god this is not the experience that i want and then i did this movie well actually i went in an audition for this movie that everyone was like you want to do this cannibal movie about a family of cannibal's like why don't you want to do this movie and i was like i like it and the guy directed this movie called state clan that was good his name was jim mickle it was the first person i talked to where i was like i don't know there's something different about you and i'm just going to tell you the truth i don't think i'm good at auditioning i think I'm a decent actor, but I need to be able to get on a set and do the job where it's a world that you're creating.

[625] It's not a test.

[626] And I'm not good at this test.

[627] And we talked for like two hours and he was like, well, I hope he can act because I like you and come back tomorrow.

[628] And we did the audition.

[629] I went to work on this movie in upstate New York for like a month and a half.

[630] And I was with Michael Parks, who is this legendary actor.

[631] He was and then came Bronson and all the Tarantino's movies and just a great actor he's passed on.

[632] But I had this magical experience of what a film can be with the right people.

[633] Julia Garner was in it.

[634] It was just, oh, I want every movie experience to be like this.

[635] And then you shortly realize that very few are actually like that.

[636] And it's up to you to try and bring that to it when you have the opportunity.

[637] Totally.

[638] When you have the leverage to set the vibe on the set and kind of set that tone.

[639] It's imperative that you do.

[640] Because someone will.

[641] It should be you.

[642] If you're going to play on any team, you better be the impact player that you need to be.

[643] Help everybody else.

[644] Let's win.

[645] And that means I'm going to go do whatever I can to make that happen.

[646] Yeah.

[647] You know what I've had that experience?

[648] Well, A, I've had it on movies.

[649] I mean, my very first movie without a pales.

[650] Me, Seth Green and Matthew Lillard in New Zealand for four months in canoes.

[651] Oh, what a life experience.

[652] But TV shows can be like the hockey team.

[653] I was on a show for six years.

[654] Their fucking family.

[655] We're actually having holidays together.

[656] We're at each other's houses.

[657] We know each other and we love each other.

[658] That can be so special.

[659] I did a show called Lodge 49 that was like that very special show, very special to me, time of my life, all the stuff that worked out.

[660] But it was one of the only things that was like that because it was an ongoing aspect.

[661] It only went two seasons.

[662] But there was not one person with an ego.

[663] I mean, everybody had egos.

[664] But it felt like walking into a second home.

[665] I never was like, oh, fuck, I got to go to work today.

[666] I brought my dogs to set.

[667] They were in the trailer.

[668] Everybody knew snowmen.

[669] My dog would like walk around base camp.

[670] As special as it was off screen.

[671] and on screen like had that meld and again that doesn't happen very often and now I'm 37 years old you have to relish it when it does happen but I want to go back to what you were saying because I totally agree and for me that's why I liked acting so much is there's a part of me that is from Detroit and you got to be a dude and you got to do all the shit and you got to fight and then there's this little pocket where I get to be vulnerable and connected and have an experience with a dude I probably wouldn't have in life for me that's the beautiful part of it on parenthood Peter Krause and I he was my older brother on the show where friends But then we enter these scenes together and be insanely intimate together.

[672] It can be all the cool things.

[673] Well, there's that special circle of love that happens with every movie that you do.

[674] But so much of it depends on everything starts with the story.

[675] And that's the character you're playing.

[676] But it's all led by the director.

[677] And if the director's vision is something that you understand and that you're helping he or she get on film, you feel like you're doing your job.

[678] But there are those special moments where you work for three or four months with someone.

[679] It's fantastic.

[680] I've just had that wonderful opportunity so many times.

[681] and all of them in so many different ways, there's nothing that compares with that.

[682] And when I say you can get in trouble by saying things that take you out of that league, Lefty Gomez once said to my dad before he was elected into the Hall of Fame because he was a great joke teller.

[683] And he said, you know, Bing, I think I might have talked my way out of the Hall of Fame.

[684] Really?

[685] I understood what that meant at an early age, and I've seen it in our business, experience some of it.

[686] You can be perceived as something that you're not.

[687] When you go to work with people, they're always fascinating.

[688] You're not anything like I thought you'd be.

[689] That's the story.

[690] of my life.

[691] You know, this is the weirdest thing, yeah.

[692] What did they think you're going to be?

[693] An asshole.

[694] Oh, sure.

[695] Entitled.

[696] Entitled.

[697] That was from the day I was born.

[698] And he's done a nice job fulfilling that title.

[699] Didn't come easy.

[700] Didn't come easy, but fuck, I deserve everything I got.

[701] I should mention you landed in my yard in a helicopter.

[702] Three different people aided you and getting up the stairs to get in here.

[703] The cool thing was he was flying it.

[704] Did you have resentment about that?

[705] Earlier on, yeah, but then you quickly learn that it's binary.

[706] There's no gray area to live in there.

[707] It's just black or white.

[708] You either become a person who is resentful and constantly thinks that strangers should somehow, for some reason, understand who you are and understand your story and give you the benefit of the doubt.

[709] Or you quickly realize that they can think however they want to think, that's their prerogative and that's good for them and they should that's their job and i can just go about doing my job the way i do it the best that i can and let the chips fall where they may and be okay with that i went that route where i'm much happier that way that's why i don't do social media and stuff like that it's not that i don't care what people think i care a lot what people think i want people to think everything i do is good i don't care what they think about me as a person they don't know me as a person so why would i ever get flustered about that but i want them to like my movies and my work and that's It's not like I don't care what anybody thinks.

[710] I really do.

[711] People say that all the time and I don't agree with it because I think it's a defense mechanism.

[712] Like, I don't care of it.

[713] Fuck them.

[714] Right.

[715] Like, no, of course you don't feel that way because if you really did feel that way and they don't like you, then you're not going to work anymore.

[716] Your livelihood depends on whether people like what you do or not.

[717] Again, it's the way you say it, which is I can't do anything that I think's going to make you happy.

[718] I just got to do something that's going to make me happy and I hope it makes you happy.

[719] Yes, exactly.

[720] I can't do what you want me to do.

[721] I have to do what I want to do, but I sure hope it makes you feel that's nice and And that's caring as much to the same thing.

[722] But that's something that any kid that has a parents of note, you deal with it.

[723] It's how you deal with it that matters.

[724] And I think that it's very healthy to go like, yeah, of course you're going to think that.

[725] I empathize.

[726] I've had those thoughts before of meeting someone's kids or I'm like, this kid's probably an asshole.

[727] And then you're like, oh, God, I can't believe I'm having that.

[728] Yeah.

[729] It's kind of human nature.

[730] You know, it's like, see a guy when he's hot stepping on the baseball field.

[731] They got that stink on him.

[732] They're just running hot right now.

[733] This guy's really good right now.

[734] You can feel.

[735] I think that there's a stink on people.

[736] It's part of our familial thing is that if we smell that privilege, you can take privilege the right way or you can take the wrong way.

[737] If you're Barry Bonds and you grew up in a locker room, when you're 17, 18 years old, yeah, I belong here, man. Yes, you got to be that.

[738] That's a privilege that I'm going to use that versus somebody who's got not a lot of talent and thinks that, well, my last name is X and therefore I got positioned.

[739] No, that's very bad.

[740] And it's about what you do with it because I look at it.

[741] I was thinking about this the other day.

[742] Someone said they look at the kids of athletes, and it's like, well, that's just genetics.

[743] And you're like, there could be no genetic link to whether or not you can be a good performer or comfortable performing.

[744] But it was interesting, I was thinking about it and I was like, I really am so lucky to have had the upbringing that I did and the way they did it because there was never any onus on being something that I'm not, being something for somebody else.

[745] It was all about, hey, do it how you do it the best you can.

[746] And that's the way it's going to work best anyway.

[747] Your beginning was an interesting one too because there's a man named Darren Bogosian who grew up in Fresno came to Los Angeles and went through his process of becoming an agent.

[748] But very early on when he was still playing hockey, he looked at him.

[749] What did he say to you?

[750] I was in a movie that my friend directed.

[751] I was still playing hockey in Alabama and I was injured.

[752] And he calls me up and he's like, hey, dude, I lost my actor for my first day.

[753] He's like a $15 million movie he was going to make.

[754] John Stalberg's the director and my partner and one of my best friends in life, my brother Oliver Hudson.

[755] And John have been friends since I was born and so I was always in John's like horror movies and stuff growing up.

[756] I was the kid who got killed or whatever happened to somebody.

[757] Yeah, you were a fucking extra.

[758] You need a body.

[759] Where's why?

[760] That's exactly right.

[761] You put ketchup on them.

[762] And so John calls me and he was like can you get to Detroit day after tomorrow?

[763] And I was like, well, I'm not playing.

[764] So if I say I'm to go to a movie, I'll get cut from the team.

[765] But if I lie and say there's been a death in the family, which there had been six months earlier, my 103 -year -old great grandmother had passed away on the coast.

[766] How lucky for you.

[767] What a blessing.

[768] Rest in peace, who we?

[769] But I was like, there's been a death in our family.

[770] I have to go back east.

[771] I wasn't lying.

[772] And I made it back there.

[773] I was in the movie.

[774] Hated it.

[775] I was alone in this room.

[776] You know, it was like all the things I didn't want it to be.

[777] You're alone sitting here doing this thing where you're like, okay, the day's over.

[778] I've got an headache.

[779] And I have no one to share anything with.

[780] And I'm going back to my hockey team, thank God.

[781] So then the movie plays, and it goes to this thing called Sundance.

[782] No fucking clue.

[783] What Sundance is?

[784] Oh, great.

[785] Way to go, John.

[786] Congratulations.

[787] I got a call while I'm playing hockey in Holland from this agent, Darren Bogosian, who's now my agent, still is my agent.

[788] He's like, hey, I saw this movie in Sundance.

[789] Do you have an agent?

[790] And at first, I was like, well, hockey, who are you calling about?

[791] Right.

[792] Because I'm a film agent.

[793] I'm on the phone with the oil.

[794] Oh, no. I'm not interested in that.

[795] But maybe in the future, I don't know.

[796] And then when I got hurt, I called him and I was like, hey, I'm not playing anymore.

[797] Is that offer still stand?

[798] And I had tape of stuff.

[799] So I had some things.

[800] to send around to casting directors, and I'm a good hedged bet for a casting director to come in.

[801] Yeah, we want to see if this guy's any good.

[802] Sure.

[803] Other family members are good.

[804] That's part of the benefit of being in that family.

[805] And then I ended up auditioning for stuff and starting to work.

[806] Well, I got to tell you my own experience.

[807] So I hadn't seen you in years.

[808] And I was watching Black Mirror.

[809] Yeah.

[810] And I was like, oh, my God, that's Wyatt.

[811] Like that casting director, I had this enormous curiosity.

[812] I'm like, is he going to be able to do it like the rest of them?

[813] And I have to say, Kristen, if she was here, she would tell you.

[814] I was like, he's fucking.

[815] he's so effortlessly natural and real and then i was obsessed with under the banner heaven it's so good and you are outstanding i don't have a right to feel the pride but i've been so delighted watching you're so fucking good thanks man and natural and easy and you feel comfortable in your own skin and it's all wonderful it's made me so happy yeah and it all could end tomorrow yeah that's how i feel you got this super viable violence inmate.

[816] Violation.

[817] I got a 27 grand a year job.

[818] So you both had career -ending sports injuries.

[819] That's crazy.

[820] And Bing did too.

[821] Otherwise known as blessings in disguise.

[822] But what are the odds of three generations of...

[823] The exact same thing happened three times.

[824] I can't wait to interview Buddy in 20 years after three.

[825] Can I tell you something?

[826] I'm old enough now to have watched things.

[827] I bet on it.

[828] I've seen it.

[829] He's three now.

[830] It's all there.

[831] He's got a golf swing.

[832] Dude, it's fucking crazy.

[833] Guys are on the range.

[834] We're going, get over here.

[835] They said, what are you, five?

[836] And he said, no, I'm two.

[837] And he's two years old.

[838] And he's got his little sucker in his mouth, and he's banging the ball out there.

[839] He's just got it.

[840] That's a funny gene.

[841] Hand -eye.

[842] Because you were a goalie, right?

[843] That was a goalie.

[844] Yeah, yeah.

[845] He was a good baseball player, too.

[846] That was the one that hurt me. That was the one where, you know, your kids always have to separate from you.

[847] Yeah.

[848] And it's an interesting moment when they do.

[849] and he was the youngest one to do it at 12 because he was playing baseball and hockey.

[850] And I got him into hockey with the hopes and understanding that by the time he's about 14, he can be real tired of waking up at 3 o 'clock in the morning and go, right?

[851] And he's going to like that idea of baseball practice today at 3 .30 after school.

[852] Yeah, that's for me. Nice warm Southern California weather.

[853] I'm going to move to Canada for this.

[854] He came to me and he said, Dad, I've got to be honest, I want to play hockey all the time.

[855] I don't want to play baseball anymore.

[856] And I said, you know, you're really good at baseball and you're going to get a lot better.

[857] you can make a lot of money playing baseball, probably.

[858] And he said, but I want to play hockey.

[859] He said, okay.

[860] So he went on and played hockey.

[861] But then when he did, everybody wants some, they played a game.

[862] That's right.

[863] The director said, just go play.

[864] They had good ball players out there playing.

[865] He hadn't picked up a bat since he was 12.

[866] And he hit two home runs that day.

[867] He calls me up and he says, you might have been right.

[868] He's a natural.

[869] He could have stuck with it.

[870] The other beauty of baseball is you can be completely out of shape, at least from my point of view.

[871] I'm looking at Cecil Fielder on first base.

[872] I'm like, this guy's the best first base.

[873] Is hitter in the baseball?

[874] There's no hockey players fucking hustling down the rink.

[875] Phil Kessel.

[876] I was going to say, wait a minute.

[877] Phil Kessel is a bag of milk body.

[878] Maybe a Hall of Famer.

[879] Yeah, it's funny.

[880] I look back on the lineage of our family, and the thing that comes up is like, well, don't fuck it up now.

[881] Everybody's been grinding for 700 years.

[882] We just learned a couple months ago, kind of this fun thing about our family that's totally not related to movies.

[883] But on the first day of the Revolutionary War, I told the story, this isn't an exclusive.

[884] Oh, God.

[885] Damn it.

[886] Then don't go further.

[887] Yeah.

[888] But on the first day of the Revolutionary War in Lexington and Concord, there was a shot heard around the world.

[889] And then the Minutemen retreat, the Blue Coats retreat, in the House of the Bloodiest Day of Fighting on the First Day of Revolutionary War, was in Jason Russell Jr.'s house, which is our direct lineage grandfather of 10 generations ago.

[890] And it was like, well, fuck.

[891] That guy fought, and he died in the house.

[892] Got stabbed 11 times by red coats.

[893] And so it's like, don't fuck it up now.

[894] Wow.

[895] Yeah, that guy went down.

[896] Keep going hard, work hard for Jason.

[897] He would want to see me blow it.

[898] Do you go to the bathroom?

[899] No, I want to get a drink of water, though.

[900] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[901] Let's get you another one.

[902] I would love another coffee, Rob.

[903] Now that we're going back to the cafe.

[904] These mugs.

[905] Do you know about ember mugs?

[906] I mean, should we do a commercial right now?

[907] Ember mugs.

[908] They don't sponsor me, but can I tell you how it's not.

[909] Lake Hour, but it is a liquid death.

[910] Oh, you don't drink anymore.

[911] I don't.

[912] Oh, Dad.

[913] Anymore.

[914] 19 years.

[915] 19 years.

[916] You don't drink.

[917] I didn't drink when I was in Canada.

[918] No, I don't remember you as a drinker.

[919] Well, he was a drinking.

[920] No, no, I mean, I don't remember you as a drinker, so it was before that.

[921] I had my third AA birthday while I was dating Kate.

[922] So when you met me, I was just about three years sober.

[923] Way to go.

[924] And I hated that you and I couldn't have some beers together on the dock.

[925] It really bummed me out.

[926] Never been a really heavy drinker.

[927] I know, that's annoying to me, too.

[928] I know.

[929] But let's get back to the ember.

[930] It's been an hour, and this coffee is still hot.

[931] Are you kidding me?

[932] So listen, let me tell you about this, guys.

[933] You see this little plate right here?

[934] Yeah.

[935] It sits on there, and it's got a battery.

[936] So this is how it changed my life.

[937] In the morning, I used to drink two cups of coffee while I was, like, journaling and doing my shit.

[938] Because it's getting cold, so I'm drinking it fast.

[939] And then I'm out, and I want more coffee.

[940] I got that thing.

[941] It keeps it warm.

[942] I drink it slower, and now I only drink one cup of coffee in the morning.

[943] Okay.

[944] I got to go all the way back, because we were talking about your bigger swings, or at least what I would have considered big swings.

[945] How much of it was director -driven?

[946] There's maybe, like you said, okay, all of New York has become a prison, but obviously, doesn't it help if you go, they know how to pull this off?

[947] Somebody once wrote about me, said, it looks like a drunken driver.

[948] I handled his career.

[949] I said, yeah, and I was the guy behind the wheel.

[950] I was the drunk driver.

[951] It's just whatever strikes you.

[952] But, for instance, on that, I had worked with John Carpenter on Elvis.

[953] John had been brought on to the show after I had been cast.

[954] It was a very strange situation.

[955] He was kind of saddled with this Disney guy.

[956] But we spoke the same language very quickly.

[957] And we said, well, I'd like to do that again.

[958] And I went to Australia.

[959] I happened to see some footage there.

[960] And I came back and I said, I know the world I'd like to play and talked about it.

[961] And he said, I got that.

[962] And it was a scape from New York.

[963] Snake Pliskin.

[964] And for John to look at me and say, you can do that.

[965] At that time, only John would have ever said that.

[966] Yeah.

[967] They wanted Charlie Bronson.

[968] I was only 28 years old.

[969] So for me, on different projects, when I read used cars, I said, do these guys know how funny they are?

[970] Listen to me. Listen to me. How good is that I only wrote down four movies that I want to talk about of your entire career.

[971] I can play a guest to the Dax game.

[972] Yeah, let's do it.

[973] Let's do it.

[974] I'm lying to you.

[975] I wrote down five movies.

[976] I don't know how up on Kurt Russell you are.

[977] I'm going to say use cars would be absolutely number one.

[978] It is number one.

[979] Look at this.

[980] Big trouble little China might be in there.

[981] It's not?

[982] Bone Tomahawk.

[983] No. Dax.

[984] You'll change your list after you see Bon Tomahawk.

[985] Okay, okay.

[986] I'm on it.

[987] I have homework.

[988] Good.

[989] Death proof.

[990] Yes, death proof.

[991] Fucking tombstone.

[992] Tombstone.

[993] Okay, well, I don't, I mean, listen, I didn't remember that.

[994] Kurt.

[995] I didn't know you were, you know.

[996] Wyatt's sitting here.

[997] Tertieth the anniversary.

[998] That was a formative time for me. It was cool.

[999] On this Godzilla show, on Monarch, Legacy of Monstrums.

[1000] On Apple currently streaming.

[1001] New episodes coming Friday.

[1002] Or binge it if this comes out afterwards.

[1003] But people ask me on this tour, they were like, What did you find out about your dad you didn't know?

[1004] I'm going to pause you.

[1005] I watched so many interviews with you, too, and I was so triggered for you.

[1006] Oh.

[1007] So often.

[1008] You know, you're like, yeah.

[1009] Oh, God.

[1010] Yeah.

[1011] You know, but what are you not going to ask?

[1012] You know, you have to.

[1013] I'm sympathetic to everyone, yeah.

[1014] And so I was always trying to come up with an answer, but really what I'd always come back to is people know or don't know, and now there's more out about it, but how he works on a movie and how it's not changed for 35, 40 years since that movie came out in 30 years, I guess.

[1015] I would come home with my dad after work.

[1016] and he'd sit at this table in a room, like, about this size.

[1017] It was a couch like this, and there was, like, a pull -out couch, and I went to sleep on the couch.

[1018] He'd put me to sleep, and then he'd go to a table, this, like, round circular table that you had with a little kitchen in it and smoke cigarettes, and right.

[1019] This was, like, at 3 in the morning after the day was over.

[1020] Wow.

[1021] And working the next day, and so that was imprinted into my mind is, like, I guess that's just what you do, is that it works.

[1022] So knowing that coming into this was so fun for me, because it can be a bit shocking when someone who comes in and you think you're going to get an actor who's an actor that you've worked with many times before and it's like, no, no, no, you're getting Kurt.

[1023] That means that if this isn't up to where it needs to be, you're going to work.

[1024] And that puts everybody through paces that I'm used to.

[1025] I feel like I'm on my way and continuing to build a career, but I don't do it dissimilarly because I don't know how to do it anywhere else.

[1026] It was osmottically given to me in a certain way.

[1027] You saw how the sausage was made.

[1028] Yeah.

[1029] I don't know any other way to do it.

[1030] And so watching other people experience that, there was a bit of shock and awe with it because you're like, holy shit, this is coming at me hard and fast.

[1031] How can he work this fast?

[1032] He's 72 years old.

[1033] He hasn't lost a single ounce of energy.

[1034] And then you see people start to catch up.

[1035] It's contagious.

[1036] And usually you get actors who are just looking out for themselves because that's the nature of being an actor.

[1037] We're all selfish and narcissistic in some way.

[1038] That's mostly what you get.

[1039] But then it's like, oh, wait, he's actually trying to make the whole show better.

[1040] and then everything catches up to him and really exciting to watch other people see that in him.

[1041] I was just fortunate.

[1042] All the people, mostly directors, but some producers, a lot of actors.

[1043] And it's really one of those things that are, if you don't keep your eyes and ears open at that point, you're really an idiot.

[1044] I was just lucky.

[1045] All the way from Walt Disney to Quentin Tarantino, to Mike Nichols, to Bob Zemeckis, to Merrill Streep, to Goldie Hahn, to Sly.

[1046] You were in a fucking movie with Jimmy Stewart.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] Jimmy Stewart.

[1049] I mean, hundreds of people that I've had the opportunity to watch and just say, that's good.

[1050] And then you watch somebody who's having trouble and you're looking at the director, and as you get older, you finally realize it's up to you to go to that director and say, hey, can I talk to you for a second?

[1051] Can I ask you a question?

[1052] You've got to be really honest with me because we didn't have a lot of time to talk about this before.

[1053] Who did you have in mind really to play that role?

[1054] Oh, wow.

[1055] He said, who did I really want?

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] I said, yeah, so -and -so.

[1058] I said, well, you know what?

[1059] You don't fucking hammer!

[1060] You have this girl, and she's got great talent in other areas.

[1061] So why don't you work on getting that out of her rather than bitching and being pissed off that you weren't able to get so -and -so.

[1062] Yeah, yeah.

[1063] You realize at some point it's fucked to you to do that.

[1064] You've got to advocate for people.

[1065] On the ones that it calls for.

[1066] Not on the ones that it doesn't call for.

[1067] Doing Tarantino, all you need to do is understand what he wants you to do.

[1068] That's all.

[1069] You don't need to pull him aside.

[1070] So it's not writing like that.

[1071] I have everyone I want.

[1072] Right?

[1073] But it is a matter of getting the best out of what is the vision of this.

[1074] As long as we all understand it, then let's start talking about how to get that.

[1075] Rather than what we're doing here, because we're not getting it.

[1076] Back to the team and the goal and the sport.

[1077] Exactly.

[1078] What are we all aiming for?

[1079] Do we all even agree on what we're aiming for?

[1080] Let's go to Toomsome really quick, because I want to say, while I was in Muscoca, I'm going to back up.

[1081] Escape from New York was the first thing my brother and I recorded on VHS tape off of on TV, the original cable thing.

[1082] And my brother and I watched that movie, truthfully, in the 50 to 100 range.

[1083] And so I find myself at your house as a grown -up, and I'm trying to keep that cool.

[1084] I'm so interested in so many things, but I'm also not trying to be a fan at your house.

[1085] But Tombstone came up, and I remember you telling me about Tombstone, and I was really fascinated to learn.

[1086] That movie in particular, you had gotten some of your own money involved?

[1087] I went out and got the money.

[1088] I'd been on a bicycle trip with Andy Vanya, which was one of the great trips that why I was on is a very young guy.

[1089] What were you?

[1090] Five or six.

[1091] And at the end of it, Andy Vanya said to me, if you ever have anything that you really would like to do on, please don't hesitate.

[1092] and about a year later had the opportunity to go to Andy and say, well, I actually have something here, and I've got 24 hours.

[1093] It was tombstone.

[1094] Kevin Costner had moved on to my old agent, Scott Zimmerman, called me up.

[1095] I was no longer with Scott, and he said, this is something that's happening, and I think this should be your next movie.

[1096] You've got to move very quickly, and I don't know where it could be coming from.

[1097] I went to Andy, and I was very fortunate in that Larry Franco, my brother -in -law at the time, was a producer, and I said, Larry, I got 24 hours, can you take a look at this thing and tell me what it could be done for?

[1098] Can you green like this in 24 hours?

[1099] Can you figure it out?

[1100] So I had a lot of inside help there.

[1101] And Larry said, you can make this for $25 million given certain things.

[1102] And I said, great.

[1103] So I went to Andy and said, I believe this can be done for $25 million.

[1104] And if we do it for $25 million, I think I'll get you at least $1 back.

[1105] And that was where the opportunity came from.

[1106] Kevin Jarre was fabulous writer.

[1107] Was in the process of putting a great cast together.

[1108] And you get probably the best performance of Vail's life.

[1109] Yeah, that is an interesting story because Doc Holliday walked into the room.

[1110] Right, not Vail Kilmer.

[1111] No, it was Willem Defoe.

[1112] And Willem de Foe was absolutely spectacular.

[1113] We just interviewed him like two weeks ago.

[1114] Okay.

[1115] They were all excited, and Buena Vista would not release the movie with Willem DeFoe and Kurt Russell.

[1116] He said, that's not going to work.

[1117] And I said to the director, I said, we're going to find out now who's directing the movie, either you or Disney.

[1118] And he said, we have no other avenue of distribution.

[1119] And I said, Val Kilmer.

[1120] It's growing on me. I mean, he was great.

[1121] It wasn't like that, but Willem DeFoe was scary.

[1122] It was like Doc Holiday.

[1123] But Val's performance was beyond.

[1124] I remember I wanted to be Doc Holiday.

[1125] Come on.

[1126] I'll tell you what, though.

[1127] Five days before we started, Andy said, hey, one thing.

[1128] I have an opportunity to get us $3 million more for the movie.

[1129] You played Doc Holiday, and Richard Gere plays Wyatt Earp.

[1130] Whoa.

[1131] And I said, I think we should stick with what we got.

[1132] Doc was a great role, but I'll tell you something in the original screenplay, which Kevin Jarre refused to cut 22 pages out of before he was fired.

[1133] Those 22 pages, the role of Wyatt Earp was spectacular.

[1134] And I knew that at that point, there was only one way to hold the trust and keep the movie going with a new approach to it, with another person coming in.

[1135] And that was, if I could lose all that.

[1136] How hard was that for you?

[1137] It wasn't hard.

[1138] Had you not gone out and gotten the money?

[1139] And you had just been hired to be an actor.

[1140] Wait a minute.

[1141] I did this for those five scenes.

[1142] But now I had other things at stake.

[1143] That's right.

[1144] And so I said, okay, I will do this and everybody will understand.

[1145] And they did at the time.

[1146] There was still a way to carry the impact of what that screenplay had and lose.

[1147] that stuff.

[1148] And what it became was, this is what's great about making movies.

[1149] I set up the shot.

[1150] It was really incredibly embarrassing for me. But I said, I have to do this because it's going to take the place of five scenes.

[1151] The first time you see Wyatt Earp, the boot step into the shot and you pan up, and he go, ba, boom, there's the man you're going to hang your hat on.

[1152] That's Wyatt Earp.

[1153] He's an aura character now.

[1154] He's an archetype.

[1155] That took five other scenes out.

[1156] But I went to Val, and I said, Val, be on your best man, because it's going to be heavily on you.

[1157] What a legendary fucking, the whole thing.

[1158] And Val was great.

[1159] They all were.

[1160] His sense of humor was very tough on some people, but was irresistibly charming and funny as hell and helpful.

[1161] But there was a time where early on Val and I met and listened to him and said, this guy's really smart.

[1162] And I said, you're a 20 -minute guy.

[1163] And he didn't like hearing that.

[1164] He was like, what do you mean?

[1165] We were at the polo lounge, I think.

[1166] I said, it takes you 20 minutes to start over here.

[1167] Get, gig, gig, get, get, get, get, get, get it all.

[1168] around back to here.

[1169] You're not wrong.

[1170] You're right, but it takes you 20 minutes.

[1171] And here's the bad news.

[1172] We're not going to have 20 minutes on the set.

[1173] So do that three days earlier.

[1174] Right, right, right, right, right.

[1175] He looked at me and was like, okay, he called me conk, concrete head.

[1176] Now, I see you guys as a magic alchemy of, I bet your presence there impacted greatly what he ended up doing in that.

[1177] It is interesting.

[1178] The way I can put it best is at the end of the show, sometimes you get each other gifts.

[1179] In those days, you certainly did it quite often.

[1180] Now it's kind of rare.

[1181] So I set my driver, I said, go get Val's gun and hat and the back of his chair.

[1182] And I said, take a picture of this and put what I'm going to have you go get in there.

[1183] And I bought him a plot in Boot Hill.

[1184] No. Unbeknownst to me, I give this to Val at the rap party.

[1185] His driver was there, and now we got the full story.

[1186] The two drivers had run into each other because Val had said, go get his gun and his hat, and put it on this because I bought him an acre of real estate looking down on Boothill.

[1187] What?

[1188] And neither one of us knew it.

[1189] That's bonkers.

[1190] That was crazy.

[1191] Wow.

[1192] That's spiritual.

[1193] No, it is spiritual.

[1194] Like, you look at all the different pieces that add up to a movie.

[1195] And then there's this huge orb that no one can explain, which is a lot of times you just get magic happens and you get blessed and weird shit like this happens.

[1196] And then this thing comes together.

[1197] And that was one of those and not an easy effort.

[1198] Very hard.

[1199] Incredible.

[1200] My list is used cars, tombstones, death proof, the hateful eight once upon a time.

[1201] Hateful Eighth.

[1202] You're such a good motherfucker in Hateful Eighth.

[1203] there's the example of for anybody who might be listening if he calls you just say yes and you find out that you're going to be the assistant to the assistant craft service guy and you're going to have the fucking time of your life I mean, he loves, loves it so much that it's completely infectious.

[1204] Yeah.

[1205] Well, you know, it's funny is when we were in Muscoca, and I asked you, and I think this is very admirable, it's a testament to how you turned out, which is you guys certainly cared about show business, but you guys also moved to Canada when you started hockey.

[1206] You were happy to give that arrest for Wyatt, which is beautiful.

[1207] Yeah, just my mom and dad and me. Children were kind of grown.

[1208] They were older, they were done, yeah.

[1209] You make that kind of sacrifice, but when I was talking, you hadn't acted in a minute.

[1210] Death Proof had just come out that year, 2000.

[1211] And I said, are you going to act?

[1212] And you said, I don't know.

[1213] I guess if Quint never calls me, I'll certainly show up.

[1214] And then ironically, since then you've done two more.

[1215] I did kind of look at it like that.

[1216] I was really much more interested in making wine and learning about wine, making fine wine, making Burgundy and red and white.

[1217] Now you're talking my language.

[1218] Well, are you a Pino Poodle by any chance?

[1219] A Pino Poodle?

[1220] I've never even heard that.

[1221] Should have brought some, he should have brought some Lake Hour and I should have brought some gogy.

[1222] I make a high -end Pino noir for Pino drinkers.

[1223] People who drink Goggi, the minute they get into it, they understand he's very brigundian in style, and he knows what he's doing here.

[1224] And where's that's some great people?

[1225] Well, that's why I said that at the time, because we had worked on deathproof, and Zoe Bell was sitting on that.

[1226] She's tied to the hood of the car.

[1227] And I'm looking over her shoulder while I'm waiting to, you know, Kurt, bring it on over the walkie -talkie.

[1228] So I'm looking over, and I said, that's what I'd like to be doing.

[1229] Look at that vineyard.

[1230] She turns around.

[1231] She says, that's beautiful.

[1232] Keep the car on the road.

[1233] And for six weeks, we were doing this.

[1234] car chase stuff up there.

[1235] When I wasn't working, I'd go tasting.

[1236] I'd been falling in love with wine for 20 years, and I desperately wanted to get into it.

[1237] And finally had the opportunity, man named Greg Gorman, a photographer from the old days of doing one -sheets and stuff, ran into him, and he ended up introducing me to Peter and Rebecca work up at Amplas Vineyard.

[1238] And sure enough, Amplus Vineyard was that vineyard.

[1239] No shit that you had been looking at.

[1240] Yep.

[1241] And I went up there, and they were not at all interested in doing any sort of celebrity thing, and they were very happy to hear that I was not interested in doing that either.

[1242] I wanted to learn about and understand the world of making fine wine, in particular Pino Noir, and in particular shardinette.

[1243] You make wine, you make violins.

[1244] Wyatt has a canned alcoholic beverage called Lake Hour.

[1245] Oh, that's what you just sang.

[1246] Such a good name.

[1247] Lake Hour.

[1248] I have a beer.

[1249] Ted Seeger's non -alcoholic beer, so we're all in the same rack.

[1250] It's funny, isn't it?

[1251] I mean, I don't know what that is.

[1252] It's interesting because it's a whole different world.

[1253] I think it's always good to, like, be at the bottom of a rung.

[1254] Yes.

[1255] Also, I don't care if I fail.

[1256] It's not movie business.

[1257] I can just fuck around and enjoy this.

[1258] I don't want to do it.

[1259] At first, it started off like that.

[1260] And then it was like, no, I've invested so much.

[1261] The way we did it was Rich Peeton and myself, he's a producer.

[1262] He called me. He lives on a lake in New York.

[1263] Skokko was part of my life growing up.

[1264] I was like, well, I've never done a ad.

[1265] I've never done a commercial.

[1266] I'm going to do this, but I don't have social media.

[1267] And I don't have any of the traditional ways of getting out.

[1268] I told my partner, I'm like, well, I can't do any of that.

[1269] But what I can do is I can grind and I can be a good actual partner to run the company with you.

[1270] So we actually run the company.

[1271] It's been about six months since we launched.

[1272] It was gangbusters, and we've been doing awesome.

[1273] The learning process is wild.

[1274] Oh, yeah.

[1275] Where it's a totally of an industry.

[1276] It's always fun.

[1277] People take your call, hey, how's it going, but then it wasn't a joke.

[1278] We're in Brazil at Comic -Con.

[1279] There's 8 ,000 screaming fans.

[1280] Literally, people are chanting our name afterwards.

[1281] You're in 16 different Marvel property.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] It's all the Comic -Con stuff, right?

[1284] And so you're like, you're like, there's a version of someone's head that can get big when people are screaming.

[1285] But it won't if you get off the stage of the omelet stage and I go to my email and I am desperately trying to contact Mark McKellie of Cub Grocher who's the head buyer in Minnesota.

[1286] And he won't return my call.

[1287] And I'm trying just to get a couple cases of Lake Hour in for them to try.

[1288] That kind of stuff.

[1289] Oh, yeah.

[1290] I'm talking to fulfillment houses in fucking St. Louis.

[1291] Oh, yeah.

[1292] I can't get the gold caps to my thing.

[1293] Where'd they go?

[1294] We are ordering from this place.

[1295] It's endless.

[1296] LagerSmith is a good resource for the gold caps.

[1297] The project you guys are working on, you don't have to go do like a wine dinner.

[1298] No. It's worse.

[1299] You have to go to Super One in Minnesota, which is a great place, but it's the reality of it where you're going to Costco and you're going to go sign bottles.

[1300] I mean, that's part of the game.

[1301] The fun part of it that we've talked about with each other is, it's funny, when you get into it and you start talking about it, that passion inside of you that is real starts to take over.

[1302] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1303] And you realize, man, I do love doing this.

[1304] Yeah.

[1305] I do love making fine wine.

[1306] I love drinking wine with people.

[1307] When a person who really knows what they're talking about says, what clones are you working with here?

[1308] You start talking about blending day and you start talking about all the things that you want to talk about when I walk in the vineyard with Peter.

[1309] That's legacy.

[1310] What I love about wine is somebody's going to be sharing you in a bottle, 25 years from now, who you'll never know.

[1311] Yeah, it's really cool.

[1312] But you're spending that night with them.

[1313] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1314] Movies are cool in that regard, but this is you.

[1315] I'm addicted to learning about something, trying to get good at it.

[1316] and that's the game.

[1317] You can learn.

[1318] And it feels good to learn.

[1319] I get bored easy.

[1320] Monica, what's so?

[1321] I'm done learning.

[1322] You're done.

[1323] I know everything I need to know.

[1324] That's right.

[1325] I know it all.

[1326] No, I love learning.

[1327] That's why this show's so great because we interview all these experts too.

[1328] And so we are constantly learning.

[1329] Psychologists.

[1330] So much it feeds us.

[1331] We're kind of just in college.

[1332] But the professors.

[1333] come to us.

[1334] It's pretty insane.

[1335] I can't believe it.

[1336] Stay tuned for more of a firechair expert, if you dare.

[1337] This could go on forever.

[1338] There's only one story I must tell about Muscoa, and you'll probably stop me midway through because you do value your pilot's license.

[1339] But the highlight of that trip for me was you said, you want to go flying.

[1340] I was like, fuck yes, I want to go flying.

[1341] So we went flying.

[1342] I wonder how much of this you remember.

[1343] Did we go to North Bay or something?

[1344] What's up there?

[1345] Listen, we took off.

[1346] Mind you, I don't know if you're a good pilot.

[1347] I have no clue.

[1348] We just met.

[1349] You got yourself to Canada.

[1350] Some of us playing his ear.

[1351] I know that.

[1352] That's encouraging.

[1353] So we go up and we're flying and then you go, do you want to buzz the house?

[1354] And I'm like, absolutely, let's go.

[1355] Everyone was out on the dock.

[1356] Oh, that's right.

[1357] Maybe you remember this one.

[1358] I remember.

[1359] And we come in and we're flying over the lake and we're getting lower and lower.

[1360] We're going to buzz the dock.

[1361] I swear to God, I had this thought in my head.

[1362] I'm like, I'm probably going to die right.

[1363] He's probably going to crash his airplane directly into his home.

[1364] I don't remember that.

[1365] But then I had this thought, well, my God, I'm going to die with snake plissons in a fucking airplane.

[1366] This shook out just fine with me. I can't tell you how at peace I was with the notion that we might collide into the dock.

[1367] We did not.

[1368] You pulled up expertly.

[1369] It was fantastic.

[1370] Nothing was dangerous.

[1371] Nothing happened.

[1372] That's not what flying's about.

[1373] He wants somebody to have a nice time.

[1374] I had the time of my life just to put you at ease.

[1375] The pilot world is one of the great worlds.

[1376] I don't really miss it.

[1377] I stopped about five, six years ago.

[1378] You know, I was just punching holes in the sky after a while.

[1379] I may go back and maybe get a carbon cub or something and have some fun with.

[1380] But, you know, I just did a lot of flying for 30 years.

[1381] I understand that part of his brain where it's like, no, I want to get really good at really getting from point A to point B. That's his personality.

[1382] there's a functionality to this event that has a termination point that has a purpose.

[1383] And that is transporting my family from L .A. to Colorado.

[1384] And then I think probably when that started to be like.

[1385] When there was no purpose for it.

[1386] Yeah, there was no purpose in that way.

[1387] Well, you saved me a ton of money because in my mind, I of course was going to become a pilot because I rode motorcycles and I love boats and I love cars and certainly I was going to be a pilot and I was up there with you and you were like, okay, here's what you do.

[1388] You're going to keep your eye on this dial.

[1389] You keep this bug between this.

[1390] and then you circle back and you cycle to that dial.

[1391] And I was like, this is a lot of dial reading.

[1392] I thought we were going to be like, they're on the seat of our band, fucking ring.

[1393] They're high complex airplanes.

[1394] It was quite technical.

[1395] And I was like, yeah, this isn't for me. I want to get sideways in a fucking hot roll.

[1396] What cool even Arby's.

[1397] Well, you guys, this was so fun.

[1398] But I want to ask you something because I do think that this is the hard thing about relationships that they end.

[1399] Oh, me and Kay.

[1400] Yeah.

[1401] And then you live.

[1402] lose all these people and I'm sure that was one of the hardest parts I have said this before by the way I don't interview two people it's a bad idea doesn't work we've done it with Kate and Oliver as like maybe one of the other three yeah one of the only other times we've done this was with Kate Mallor I don't know why you just come down and get interviewed I'll probably be doing you in a couple years in your next movie you have your fucking son here and God knows who else hopefully they will have sold Lake Hour And you will helicopter in.

[1403] No, but you're 100 % right, Monica.

[1404] I have to be dead honest with you.

[1405] When I landed in that situation, I was like, well, this dude ends up being my fucking father -in -law.

[1406] This is a whole run.

[1407] Oh, God.

[1408] As you know, I never meddled in my children's romantic affairs.

[1409] But you know what?

[1410] There was always fun in our house.

[1411] Truly, I adore you guys.

[1412] I hate that I haven't seen you in 16 years, but it's been so fun.

[1413] I can't even believe that.

[1414] I can't believe that.

[1415] Oh, I was going to say to you, Wyatt.

[1416] Do you realize you are current?

[1417] five years older than I was when we met.

[1418] Oh.

[1419] No shit.

[1420] I was 32.

[1421] You're 37?

[1422] Oh my God, no way.

[1423] Does that fuck you up?

[1424] It must.

[1425] I probably looked 49.

[1426] Oh, well, yeah.

[1427] So I must have been 22, but it's weird because I'm not old and I'm 37, but I fell the same now that I did then.

[1428] You look at those people and you're like, God damn, like, why did I think that was old?

[1429] It's fucking crazy.

[1430] When it comes to talking about age, I can tell you, there's one phrase that is the understatement of all time, and that is that it goes by fast.

[1431] It's unreal.

[1432] Not only does it go by fast, it accelerates.

[1433] That's it.

[1434] I said that to my grandmother, to Owey one time.

[1435] I said, what's Christmas?

[1436] She said, well, when you're 10 years old, it'll never come around.

[1437] Right.

[1438] When you're 20, it's like, oh, you got plenty of time.

[1439] When you're in your 30s and 40s, it's like, oh, you know.

[1440] It's happening fast.

[1441] It's here again.

[1442] She said, when you get to be 100, it's every week.

[1443] Oh, my God.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] Every week is Christmas.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] The time continuum, black hole, whirl, whirl, full down.

[1448] itself to become one date in place.

[1449] Well, sincerely, adore you guys so much.

[1450] I'm so glad you came in.

[1451] And from the bottom of my heart, monarch is fucking awesome.

[1452] Oh, let me add this as a framing of what it is.

[1453] And if you thought it was like a monster picture, it's Jurassic Park.

[1454] That's the genre.

[1455] You've got scientists.

[1456] You've got exploration.

[1457] You've got all these wonderful travels.

[1458] You're in the 50s.

[1459] You're post -World War II.

[1460] Only two people have nuclear power at that point.

[1461] It's historic.

[1462] It's scientific.

[1463] And it's very much Jurassic Park.

[1464] And by the time this comes out, you'll be able to binge it.

[1465] They dropped it week to week.

[1466] It's great that way.

[1467] But I think that people will really enjoy binging this show and that it'll gain even more of a following when you can watch things back to back.

[1468] It's a lot to keep in your head.

[1469] It's a lot to keep track of.

[1470] It's slow burn.

[1471] It's also got this incredible pace because you are bouncing back and forth between all these different time periods.

[1472] Oh, last thing.

[1473] I know you wear a beard in real life.

[1474] If I had your chin, how dare you?

[1475] I'm with you, man. If I looked like that, if I looked like that, Oh, my God, it could land your plane.

[1476] I get laid so much.

[1477] I'm looking like this when you're technically too.

[1478] It's out of laziness.

[1479] Mainly out of laziness.

[1480] My wife met me with a beard.

[1481] She loves me with a beard.

[1482] And I've always just grow it out.

[1483] And I just don't stop.

[1484] And she's like, I love you with the beard.

[1485] It's gone completely wasted.

[1486] It's like Michael Jordan being in a kayak.

[1487] But you know, not that I'm some mega superstar, but when something comes out, no one fucking knows who I am with a beard.

[1488] Oh, that's helpful.

[1489] I disappear.

[1490] You get to try a place to have.

[1491] clause one time that'll go out the window yeah that's been done so off limit's territory we were watching the santa chronicles my kids love it they're watching i go you know st nick and i took an airplane ride oh all right i love you guys good luck with everything everybody watch monarchy legacy and monsters out on apple oh and go see night swim oh yeah right drink lake hour what's your fucking wine gogie go gio which is what you called grandma goge was my nickname growing was your nickname yeah okay And your paw on the house, I remember.

[1492] Uh -huh.

[1493] Okay, so gogee, lake hour, night swim, monarch.

[1494] You guys also have an amusement park over in Toledo, Ohio.

[1495] Giving Branson a run for its money.

[1496] Yeah, you're running for sheriff.

[1497] A festival of lights.

[1498] Yeah, running for sheriff.

[1499] In the 12 town of New Mexico.

[1500] All right, adore you guys.

[1501] Good luck with everything.

[1502] Stick around for the fact check.

[1503] Because they're human, they make lots of mistakes.

[1504] Who's this for?

[1505] This is for Kurt and Wyatt.

[1506] Oh, fun.

[1507] Your friends.

[1508] My friends.

[1509] What a delight that was.

[1510] Yeah, really fun.

[1511] Did you have any expectations?

[1512] Well, I know you love Kurt so much.

[1513] Yeah, yeah.

[1514] And you always speak so highly of him.

[1515] So I knew he'd be fun.

[1516] Yeah.

[1517] But, you know, you never know what you're going to get with a father's son duo.

[1518] Oh, totally.

[1519] The one thing I didn't say, which was the first thing I wrote down.

[1520] Yeah.

[1521] But it felt like it would have slowed the momentum was if I imagine, going on Camel.

[1522] Like, I was watching them on Camel.

[1523] If I imagine going on Camel with Lincoln, it sounds like the funnest thing I could ever do.

[1524] If I imagine going on Camel with my father, it sounds like the worst thing I could ever do.

[1525] Great point.

[1526] And then as I like, well, well, I can't really answer that even if I ask it once we were there.

[1527] But I just, it's a really kind of tall order to expect a father's son to go out and promote.

[1528] Yeah, especially with the.

[1529] specific dynamics.

[1530] I mean, you did bring up, you did say you must get so sick because he was talking about somebody else asking a question about what's it like seeing your dad on set or whatever.

[1531] And then he said you must get those.

[1532] Also like every, I think the thing too he was referencing is like every single thing was like, what's your dad passing on to you so you can you know, it's very much like he needs to learn something from Kurt.

[1533] Yes.

[1534] Which would be so true.

[1535] Especially in my 30s.

[1536] I know.

[1537] It's like still this.

[1538] I know.

[1539] It is funny.

[1540] though, and this wasn't planned, but it's, it's kind of a fun accident, happy accident.

[1541] We're about to have some people on who are kind of more behind the scenes of duos.

[1542] Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

[1543] We're about to have a couple.

[1544] And I think it's a very interesting person to be in this world because both of these people we have coming up are doing amazing, right?

[1545] Like they, it's not that they're, they're leaders in their industry.

[1546] They are.

[1547] They're leaders in their industry, but so many people don't know them.

[1548] I mean, I guess can I, can I spoil?

[1549] We never spoil, but I'm going to spoil.

[1550] Okay.

[1551] Even though we've never done that.

[1552] Well.

[1553] But I want to, because it's relevant.

[1554] Although it's super different.

[1555] I'm going to argue it's super different.

[1556] Go ahead.

[1557] Go ahead and spoil it.

[1558] Okay.

[1559] No, it's different than Kurt and Y. It just reminded me. Father, son, mother, daughter.

[1560] Of course.

[1561] Finius.

[1562] We're going to have Phineas on.

[1563] Incredible music producer who produces all of Billy Elish's music and happens to be her brother.

[1564] Yeah.

[1565] And they were just out of the Golden Globes because they were nominated.

[1566] And they won, but that's why I want to bring it up.

[1567] Okay.

[1568] So on the red carpet, we were watching the red carpet, Billy and Phineas were together.

[1569] They were talking to an interviewer, and the interviewer was only talking to Billy.

[1570] Right, right, right, right.

[1571] And at one point, Billy was like, Finney.

[1572] what are you wearing?

[1573] Like, she had to pivot it.

[1574] But yeah, he's just like, he's just standing.

[1575] And he's, we'll find out.

[1576] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1577] He's seemingly very cool and chill.

[1578] But how weird, especially to be the older brother, huge.

[1579] Like, her stuff is not happening without him.

[1580] Sure.

[1581] But she's the face of the stuff.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] You know, the writer of the movie is completely unknown, but Leonardo Cabrio is saying the words.

[1584] That's who we get to see.

[1585] So that's who we develop a relationship.

[1586] Sure.

[1587] That's who we're interested in.

[1588] And so the interviewers got this job of like, they're supposed to give the content people watching the show want.

[1589] That's what they're there to do.

[1590] They're not there to write the scales of, right?

[1591] They got to like the person that I have had an attachment to is generally who I would want to hear from.

[1592] But I mean, I'm super excited to talk to Phineas because I think he's like a phenom.

[1593] He is.

[1594] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1595] saying he's but like jimmy ivine was never even though he's producing bruce springsteen's album no one's knowing who jimmy ivine is for 40 years until he creates beats and sells it and same with all of these legendary music producers and people don't even know what quincy jones looks like he's the most successful musician to ever live people do though and there's like a whole dock on the both of those people like they're they have their but if you have quincy and michael jackson on the red carpet, you got to ask Michael Jackson questions.

[1596] I don't, I mean, I guess I disagree that.

[1597] I think both can happen.

[1598] And not only, I don't, it looks weird.

[1599] Like, it's uncomfortable.

[1600] If you feel uncomfortable and you feel that the person feels uncomfortable, that like, it's not like she brought her brother.

[1601] She didn't bring her brother to the grannies.

[1602] Right, right, right.

[1603] No, no. Yeah, I'm very excited to talk to him.

[1604] But anyway, just the dynamics of family.

[1605] Yes.

[1606] I find.

[1607] Very fascinating.

[1608] Oh, yeah.

[1609] I'm trying to think, yeah, what if you and Neil had to go share a bunch of attention?

[1610] Yeah, it would be hard, I'm sure.

[1611] I'm sure.

[1612] Although there's a ton of Uber successful and in the industry very known music producers, but people are in general don't know who made Michael Jackson's music.

[1613] They don't know, you know, they just don't know.

[1614] I doubt their expectation is that.

[1615] Like, Mark Ronson, how many.

[1616] enormous hits had he put together before we started knowing his name.

[1617] It's like, I have to imagine that's your expectation.

[1618] It would seem crazy to have a different expectation that you're going to be as well known as the star, the song, the star.

[1619] It's not about being as well known.

[1620] It's about being treated like a person there.

[1621] Right.

[1622] But a red carpet is not, I mean, the whole thing is, is completely inane and ridiculous.

[1623] Mm -hmm.

[1624] Yeah.

[1625] To just stare at people, talk to them for 35 seconds.

[1626] You can see how pretty they look.

[1627] What they're wearing.

[1628] So we're acknowledging that's what that thing is.

[1629] So I don't think, like, I think it would be an unrealistic expectation to think that this thing, the red carpet, which is already riddled with issues.

[1630] Sure.

[1631] That that should be a place where everyone's going to get equal time and shine.

[1632] It's about dresses and who's popular.

[1633] I mean, that's what a red carpet is about better, for better or worse.

[1634] That is what it is.

[1635] Yeah, it is.

[1636] You feel bad for him because he's so talented.

[1637] Yeah, I don't think it has to be that way.

[1638] I mean, I think I'm not saying that it has to be like, I ask one Billy question, then I have to ask a Finney's question, then I have to.

[1639] It's not, it's just like acknowledge, just like a little acknowledgement is, I think, enough.

[1640] Yes.

[1641] Anywho, but I am very, very excited to talk to him.

[1642] But the Carton Wyatt thing is much different, but still Wyatt has to talk about his dad and mom a lot.

[1643] And if you watch the show, well.

[1644] and sister and like it's there's so much his whole family yeah everyone except for the oldest brother who's i think a psychiatrist or a psychologist yeah interestingly that was funny and that you know that because i watched a bunch of interviews with the two of them and they talked about everything and then why it was always really kind to say well our brother bill is actually a really good therapist he's not in and he'd always bring that in yeah it's a it's an interesting way to be.

[1645] But then why it did say he thinks of it in very black and white terms.

[1646] You just don't care.

[1647] You just like decide.

[1648] You got to just decide not to care.

[1649] And Kurt had some really cute dad moments.

[1650] Like he's a really good ball player.

[1651] These things that dads do, which is so cute.

[1652] It is really cute.

[1653] It's cute.

[1654] And those are cute what dads like.

[1655] You know, like.

[1656] Yeah.

[1657] He loves what a good athlete he was.

[1658] Yeah.

[1659] Well, they love to brag about their children.

[1660] Yes.

[1661] Just bragging about Lincoln's volleyball skills.

[1662] Yeah, they're great.

[1663] I mean, they're not great, but for a first time, it was pretty good.

[1664] Yeah, I felt like all the kids actually who were playing were good.

[1665] Like, good enough getting it over the net.

[1666] The weekly girls were the star.

[1667] If I'm being honest, they're older.

[1668] But still, the weekly girls, which was really fun to see because obviously Aaron was such a phenom athlete.

[1669] Yes.

[1670] Anything he tried.

[1671] And those girls had never played volleyball.

[1672] And every time the oldest daughter, she was good for four points, which nobody there was on that team.

[1673] Genetics are real.

[1674] They're very, very real and strong.

[1675] What else?

[1676] So we're both wearing green.

[1677] We had a guest that didn't show up today, which is a bummer because I'm wearing a beautiful sweater.

[1678] Swatter that I'm wobby -wob.

[1679] Oh, yes.

[1680] Gorgeous.

[1681] You look like this, Rob.

[1682] I got two independent compliments on this just being around today.

[1683] Nice.

[1684] I walked in.

[1685] She's like, oh, what's that sweater?

[1686] A sweatshirt?

[1687] I don't know what you call it.

[1688] It's very cute.

[1689] I get yelled out for calling it the wrong thing most of the time.

[1690] Yeah, it's a pullover.

[1691] It's a switch.

[1692] It's a sweater.

[1693] It's clearly a sweatshers.

[1694] It's a great sweatshirture.

[1695] It's a great sweatshirt.

[1696] I was excited to be in pictures in it.

[1697] You can wear it again.

[1698] I'm going to probably wear it more than once in my life.

[1699] We've got to amortize the cloths.

[1700] Price per wear.

[1701] It's a real thing.

[1702] Oh, it is?

[1703] Is that a term in the fashion world?

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] Oh, tell me about it.

[1706] PPW.

[1707] P -P -B -W.

[1708] Yeah.

[1709] It's an acronym.

[1710] It's an acronym.

[1711] It's actually an economics term.

[1712] Okay.

[1713] Okay.

[1714] Econ 101.

[1715] Mixed with fashion.

[1716] The more you wear it, the price of it goes down.

[1717] Yeah.

[1718] So this sweater, let's say it was $400.

[1719] Okay, let's say it is.

[1720] Let's say.

[1721] Okay.

[1722] And I've worn it probably at least ten times.

[1723] Okay.

[1724] So we're down to it's a $40 sweater per wear.

[1725] Yeah.

[1726] Yeah.

[1727] It's only $40 this sweater, actually.

[1728] And the more I wear it.

[1729] It's going to be $0 so soon.

[1730] Well, there is a way that that actually does make sense.

[1731] Because if you do buy a sweater for $100, but it only lasts for one year.

[1732] Exactly.

[1733] If you really do get five times the amount of wares out of it, then it really is, that's really relevant.

[1734] I got to own something, though.

[1735] Okay.

[1736] If I sound a little grouchy, it's because I spent so much time researching today's guest, like six hours with the movie I watched and all the difference.

[1737] Maybe not six, five.

[1738] And they didn't show up.

[1739] So I'm a little cranky.

[1740] I'm sorry.

[1741] If I sound cranky, my voice, I want to acknowledge it.

[1742] Because that's a little bit frustrating.

[1743] Of course.

[1744] Of course it's frustrating.

[1745] But I'll live.

[1746] Will you?

[1747] It just happened.

[1748] It just happened.

[1749] I should play all the price for wear.

[1750] Maybe you could play some volleyball later and literally rebound.

[1751] Oh, another thing happened to.

[1752] I can't get specific about it, but someone reached out who's on a show who wanted me to know that this joke was being told about me. And then.

[1753] What?

[1754] Yeah, it was this old joke that, like, Kristen had to pick the third option and then, all this stuff.

[1755] What?

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] I'm so over the story.

[1758] Like, it's 17 years in.

[1759] Let's move on from the story.

[1760] I know I fulfilled the Kevin Federer role for a while, but I was a little annoyed to see it was still percolating in a writer's room to this day.

[1761] Yeah, that's insanely old, low -hanging fruit.

[1762] It's like not even a good, it's not even relevant or like, what?

[1763] When I was feeling my most confident throughout it, I was like, actually, you know, I hope they air it and I hope it just doesn't even land because that is like, doesn't work now.

[1764] It won't.

[1765] So, yeah, that was in the morning.

[1766] Then there was like five or six hours of research.

[1767] But we're going to turn it around.

[1768] I'm sorry about that.

[1769] I don't like that.

[1770] Yeah.

[1771] That would really bum me out.

[1772] I complained.

[1773] Yeah.

[1774] Then I got really Barbie and like, fuck this person.

[1775] What's Barbie mean?

[1776] Barbie the doll?

[1777] No, like a barb.

[1778] Oh, oh, oh.

[1779] You got like a thorn.

[1780] I got thorny.

[1781] Got it.

[1782] And then I had written that and then I wrote, sorry, just venting, thank you so much for telling me that shows a lot of integrity.

[1783] You would have shared that with me and I don't care.

[1784] And I ended on that, but I had to go through a whole little process where I was pissed off.

[1785] And then I was like, I don't even think that joke works.

[1786] Go ahead and tell it.

[1787] But it is sort of a ding, ding, ding to what we're talking about of, like, having this connection.

[1788] Yes.

[1789] But that's why it annoys me. I know what it's from.

[1790] It's a writer who wishes he was with Kristen.

[1791] He's a crush on Kristen.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] And he's mad I'm with her.

[1794] I'm sorry you didn't get her.

[1795] But like, I've never had the thing in an interview because I'm dynamic and she and I together are very dynamic.

[1796] And I've never been sitting there thinking.

[1797] like oh god no one's interested in me here like i've never even had that experience since we met so all the stuff online that's you know it exists like there it's never existed in a real life it's like we're moving through the world and people are like dramatically more interested in her than me so do you think in in some way you like i understand obviously why this person texted you that yeah would you rather just not know that's yeah yeah i would rather not know because I wouldn't have seen this show.

[1798] Although when this stuff happens, it gets to me. People, you know, it's an episode with my mom and someone's writing in the comment.

[1799] Did you hear the joke about you on such and such?

[1800] Like, well, now I have.

[1801] Right.

[1802] Like, this happens all the time.

[1803] Like, so -and -so is blasting you on their podcast.

[1804] I'm like, okay, I didn't, I hadn't listened to it.

[1805] I wouldn't have known about that.

[1806] Yeah.

[1807] I prefer not to because I don't want to dislike someone I've never met.

[1808] And who knows why they said that.

[1809] And just in general, yeah, I would rather not know.

[1810] You?

[1811] Yeah, I would rather not know.

[1812] That's my whole philosophy.

[1813] That's why I don't, that's why I think looking at the comments is dangerous because I'm happy in life.

[1814] And when I look at that, I'm not.

[1815] So why would I have, that's, that's not good for me. Although to combat yesterday, I was listening to a podcast and these people were doing an AMA, not a Ask me anything.

[1816] Yep.

[1817] Ask me anything.

[1818] And someone had asked them, what are your favorite podcasts?

[1819] Uh -huh.

[1820] And the guy, he was like, I was just recently listening to the Jada Pinkett Smith episode of Armchair.

[1821] And he said, Dax is a really good interviewer.

[1822] Oh, that's nice.

[1823] And he's like, he's really smart.

[1824] That's nice.

[1825] But then, do you feel like Phineas?

[1826] Um, no. I don't think.

[1827] because he was kind of because he was talking about the specific episode.

[1828] I think maybe if he was just in general, like the show's so good, Dax is so good.

[1829] And like just was only, then maybe, yeah, then I would.

[1830] But I didn't in this case.

[1831] And I was happy to hear.

[1832] Just sneeze.

[1833] Bless your heart.

[1834] Thank you.

[1835] I got the coolest birthday card from Kristen's mom.

[1836] What is it?

[1837] That just made me think of it.

[1838] because when she says bless you, she says, well, no, I think there's something about Jesus and there's somehow.

[1839] Yeah, like, it's a longer version of it.

[1840] I want to get these cards for people now.

[1841] It says 1975 on it.

[1842] Did you see my story?

[1843] There was a list of famous.

[1844] Oh, I did.

[1845] I did.

[1846] That was from that card.

[1847] Oh.

[1848] So the card is like 1975, everything that happened, like things that happened in 1975, tons of ads for like spam and cereal.

[1849] Oh, that's cool.

[1850] And then the average wage of a teacher and a loaf of bread and gas.

[1851] Do you know what gas was in 1957?

[1852] In 19...

[1853] I'm sorry, 1975.

[1854] I just gave away the answer.

[1855] It was 57 cents.

[1856] Wow.

[1857] Also, I didn't think you were giving away the answer.

[1858] I thought you were just flipping 75 on accident.

[1859] And that also made it happen because it also might be 59 cents.

[1860] Whatever it was, it was sub -60 and it was in the 50s.

[1861] And then it listed like, who won the world see?

[1862] Um, stuff about the president, Gerald Ford, you know, he was, he was a, there were two assassination attempts on him, both women.

[1863] Oh.

[1864] And I mean, I want to, I want to like a sociologist to explain that to me. Yeah, unnatural.

[1865] Like what did he trigger?

[1866] Because you don't hear about a lot of female presidential assassins or even assassins.

[1867] Just straight up assassins.

[1868] Huh.

[1869] Yeah.

[1870] Do you think he knew them, personal beefs?

[1871] No, no. Two mistresses?

[1872] One of them was like in the Manson world, I think.

[1873] Yeah, yeah.

[1874] Creeps.

[1875] Uh -huh.

[1876] I love that.

[1877] When have you ever gotten a birthday card and looked at it for 45 minutes?

[1878] That was my whole evening two nights ago.

[1879] It was like reading every little detail of 1975.

[1880] Oh my God, a ding, ding, ding.

[1881] This made me so excited.

[1882] What?

[1883] Do you know what company was started in New Mexico in 1975?

[1884] White Castle.

[1885] Microsoft.

[1886] Oh, wow.

[1887] Oh, Billiam Gates.

[1888] Billiam Gates.

[1889] Don't you feel like Microsoft was created in the 80, like an 80 or something?

[1890] It seemed a little early.

[1891] Also, it said in there that in 1975, IBM released a personal computer, and it was 50 pounds.

[1892] Oh, my God.

[1893] In your lifetime.

[1894] That's insane.

[1895] Yes.

[1896] Ugh.

[1897] Microsoft wasn't a thing.

[1898] The personal computer was.

[1899] 50 pounds.

[1900] Nice.

[1901] And there were female assassins around every corner.

[1902] What a year to be born.

[1903] Cool year.

[1904] Yeah.

[1905] And then that list in back was famous people born in 1975.

[1906] That's so funny.

[1907] I like that.

[1908] I want one.

[1909] But back up.

[1910] I have not been shouting now Fargo season five enough.

[1911] It's great.

[1912] This is imperative that everybody watch Fargo season five.

[1913] Listen, you do not need to have seen any of the previous seasons.

[1914] They're not related at all, other than they're set in Fargo, theoretically.

[1915] They're all in different time periods.

[1916] This season, and how rare is this?

[1917] This is the best season.

[1918] Yeah, it's my favorite season so far.

[1919] I think it's the show.

[1920] I want to be careful because I love The Patriot so much and a few, but it's certainly in a tie for the best season of a show I've ever seen.

[1921] What?

[1922] Yeah, the main character this season is incredible.

[1923] Oh, all of the characters.

[1924] Yeah, yeah.

[1925] It's so good.

[1926] The set.

[1927] pieces the action set pieces are mind scrambling they're so good okay okay so i just everyone needs to watch fargo okay people on fargo come on the show so i can fillate you and celebrate this incredible accomplishment no holly i'd love to chat with uh john han i want to say john handsome because it's so it's so good it's a great nickname john handsome and then juno temple do you already know about her yeah i mean she's from uh well she's from so much but ted lasso right which i don't watch so to me she was i'm just meeting her and she's uh outstanding yeah she's a huge deal what a great show so anyways i'm waiting patiently for the new episode to drop oh it's weekly yes i'm waiting impatiently but they're on we're up to what episode eight so you can start it now and you would be perfectly landing when the last episode comes out okay i'll do it yesterday we didn't we recorded an episode with somebody and and this person and I...

[1928] One of the most fun episodes we've recorded this is really fun.

[1929] Oh my God, it was a riot.

[1930] She's awesome.

[1931] Yeah, what a riot.

[1932] Her and I had a lot of things in common we were realizing.

[1933] Yes.

[1934] And then what?

[1935] But then she said, I don't watch much TV and then you said, oh, that's where you two diverge.

[1936] And I said, I don't watch much TV.

[1937] And then you said, yes, you do.

[1938] Yeah.

[1939] And it was a fight.

[1940] But I really, I don't.

[1941] Have you seen White Lotus?

[1942] Yeah.

[1943] I mean, it's not that I don't watch TV, but I don't watch a lot of TV.

[1944] Like, I am one, I'm half an episode into the curse.

[1945] I haven't seen Fargo.

[1946] I am not consuming everything.

[1947] Right.

[1948] I used to, but it's fallen off.

[1949] Really?

[1950] I don't watch much at night anymore at all.

[1951] Content has fallen off.

[1952] If you're not, like, there was a great period.

[1953] You watch Beckham, though.

[1954] I watch Beckham.

[1955] I watch a quick game.

[1956] You watch the Squid Games.

[1957] Again, I'm not saying that I don't watch TV.

[1958] You don't watch the most.

[1959] I'm watching more for sure.

[1960] But I would, we have to say you watch a lot of TV.

[1961] You've seen all these series.

[1962] I guess it's like, I guess on the spectrum, I don't watch TV every day.

[1963] Right.

[1964] Or every night at all.

[1965] Right.

[1966] There's cooking YouTube videos to watch.

[1967] I am doing that.

[1968] I'm like listening to podcasts before bed or watching, yeah, cooking videos or whatever.

[1969] So that's...

[1970] I've been trying to do a couple nights of reading before, but that's very pleasant.

[1971] I know, but...

[1972] It's really nice.

[1973] I do like that.

[1974] I don't do it.

[1975] I want to do it and I don't do it.

[1976] Well, the YouTube videos are too good.

[1977] It's often just, I'm just listening to podcasts.

[1978] Right.

[1979] Well, the podcasts are really good.

[1980] I know.

[1981] They're too good.

[1982] They're too good.

[1983] What's a young girl to do?

[1984] I mean, she should read her book because that was her resolution.

[1985] Okay, well, okay, there's not very many facts.

[1986] Okay.

[1987] But Wyatt makes his violins.

[1988] Sure does.

[1989] And so we were talking about the Stradivarius.

[1990] You were saying one doesn't get played very much, or you had been reading that?

[1991] The one that's most valuable, apparently, has been played the least amount.

[1992] Because unlike other Stradivarius violins, such as the Millstein, the Lady Blunt has not been regularly played.

[1993] Oh.

[1994] As such, this Strativarius.

[1995] has experienced few of the degrading effects of constant playing that some other historical violence have suffered.

[1996] Mm -hmm.

[1997] The unplayed Lady Blunt Stradivarius violin.

[1998] Unplayed.

[1999] It's a weird thing if you're not playing it.

[2000] Yeah.

[2001] It's a very weird.

[2002] It is weird.

[2003] It is.

[2004] Does it even sound good if it's not being played?

[2005] Well, it probably sounds the best.

[2006] Well, it sounds like nothing because there's no sound.

[2007] It's interesting to hear him say that they all sound different, though.

[2008] Well, yeah.

[2009] Because the wood is what it is.

[2010] And then, yeah, the Messiah is the one that Wyatt mentioned made in 1716.

[2011] Oh, on play, hold on.

[2012] You can see the Messiah violin today.

[2013] It is on display at the Ashmolean Museum as a centerpiece of their collection of musical instruments.

[2014] It was made in 1716 by the most famous of all violin makers Antonio Stradivari of Cromona.

[2015] It is indeed a Stradivarius, a strad, the most perfect example from the hands of the man to make the most beautiful sounding instrument the world has ever known.

[2016] Rest in a glass case.

[2017] Mute symbol of perfection and sound unplayed forever.

[2018] It has never been played.

[2019] What?

[2020] It was kept...

[2021] How do we know it has the best sound?

[2022] Exactly.

[2023] This is a paradox.

[2024] It was kept by Stradivari himself in his workshop.

[2025] It's perfection such that he wished never to part with it.

[2026] kept after him by his son Paolo, sold on Paolo's deathbed in 1775, to Count Cozio de Salabu, a collector who never touched it, bought from him by Jean -Baptiste.

[2027] John Batiste?

[2028] Yeah.

[2029] I didn't get his hands on.

[2030] I didn't know he had that much money.

[2031] Jean -Baptiste William, a violin maker and collector who kept it under lock and Keeble told every one of its worth causing it to be named Le Messy, because, like, of the Messiah.

[2032] It's coming was eagerly awaited but never seen.

[2033] It may possibly have been heard once at the London World Exhibition of 1862, where in a competition organized by himself, he entered an unidentified violin anonymously, which was declared superior to all others played against it.

[2034] The Messiah did eventually come to London, exhibited in 1871 at the exhibition to celebrate the opening of the Royal Albert Hall, but still it was not heard.

[2035] Bought at last by the London dealers, W .E. Hills and Sons, it was those sons, Arthur and Alfred, who quite rightly bequeathed it at last to a museum where its perfection could remain unchallenged forever.

[2036] Wow.

[2037] The mythical status of this unheard and yet peerless instrument is, of course, a romantic trope.

[2038] While all of the history recounted above...

[2039] Romantic trove.

[2040] I know, that scares me. While all of the history recounted above is true, it is also catched in terms which betray its romantic intent.

[2041] whatever it's real it's real it did make me think of something i learned today in my research jim crow laws we'll hear a nonstop when you hear that like who is it yes do you think who is jim what do you think what does that mean i think it's a slave okay great what do you think it is rob he's an old white racist man so i thought it was probably named after the person who wrote these laws yeah or at least the blueprint of these segregationist laws.

[2042] And I think more than what you're right, more in that it was just a racial pejorative of the day.

[2043] So it's like saying the Negro laws or the something laws.

[2044] Like a child, though.

[2045] But racial, yeah.

[2046] Yeah, I guess they were calling black folks Jim Crow referring to them as Jim Crow.

[2047] Yeah, that's interesting.

[2048] Yeah, it's so crazy how long I've been dying to know where that's from and either didn't look it up or never found the answer i have that with davy jones locker too like davy jones locker is this thing that always gets bandied about in any kind of um pirate story you'll be with davy jones locker oh what the fuck does that like who's davy jones right is he a big pilot why is it his locker what is it did you find out you want to answer yeah it's a metaphor for the oceanic abyss final resting place of drowned sailors and travelers yeah so i know that that's like implicit it in the way they use it in these pirate movies but why on earth that name patron saint saint david we're getting somewhere davy jones whom they believe saves them from the ocean's harsh nature okay st david will only protect the good sailors while the immoral seafarers would be sent to davy jones like that helps he was a saint who looked over sea fairs as the saints do that makes sense yeah okay okay well Oh last fun thing Do you remember how I am a stook Egg corn for egg corn?

[2049] Yes My whole life Just to refresh everyone I was reading a book With next to Bree in bed one day And I read the word acorn Yeah And I said to her What is a fucking acorn?

[2050] Yeah And she's like An acorn They fall out of an oak tree And I'm like An egg corn I certainly thought I was alone in this Yes.

[2051] We made sweatshirts.

[2052] Also, Aaron thought silent but deadlies were called silent but ellies.

[2053] Yep.

[2054] And my friend Dean thought the Jake Isles band was the Jake Isles Band, like Islands.

[2055] So we had a sweatshirt with these three things on it.

[2056] And then Kristen just forwarded me in the dictionary.

[2057] An egg corn is now a word to represent misunderstood words.

[2058] No way.

[2059] Yes.

[2060] So I've got a lot of relief from that thinking, well, clearly a lot of people thought an acorn was an egg.

[2061] if that's the colloquial term for misunderstanding a word now.

[2062] Yeah, wait, I want to look up common.

[2063] Here are 100 eggorns.

[2064] This is from NPR.

[2065] Right.

[2066] Okay, let's see.

[2067] Eggcorns, the gaffs that spread like wild flowers, another thing coming is not, it's another think coming.

[2068] No, no, no. You've got another thing coming?

[2069] Is you've got another think coming?

[2070] Bullshit.

[2071] I think it's the reverse.

[2072] Another thing coming instead of another think.

[2073] Though many say it's the other way around and another thing is more arguably more common now.

[2074] So it was originally another think coming.

[2075] Oh my God.

[2076] You got another think coming.

[2077] Like you're going to rethink that later and be embarrassed.

[2078] I guess so.

[2079] Wow.

[2080] Kind of like revenge is a dish best served toll.

[2081] We figured that out recently.

[2082] We need to spin off podcasts where we figure out.

[2083] what all these words were saying mean.

[2084] Biding my time.

[2085] That's common.

[2086] Biding my tongue.

[2087] Because it's biting my time, B -I -D -I -N -G, but people think it's B -I -T -I -N -G.

[2088] Oh, I don't ever say that, biting my time.

[2089] Me either.

[2090] Well, no, I would say biting my time.

[2091] You'd say biting as it.

[2092] Not biting.

[2093] Oh my God, some people think it's calipitter.

[2094] No, I'm a hard time relating to that one.

[2095] I would think you would be able to relate to that because that's just like a mix of, up of letters.

[2096] I can relate in that I stumble over a lot of words, but I've never been unclear about that one.

[2097] Okay.

[2098] Buck naked.

[2099] Is?

[2100] It's Buck naked, right?

[2101] Butt naked.

[2102] Buck naked and butt naked?

[2103] Are both?

[2104] Again, this is one.

[2105] Again, this is, some people say the other way around.

[2106] Okay, some people think bondfire.

[2107] Yes.

[2108] In bomb fire?

[2109] Oh, I don't know.

[2110] Or bonfire.

[2111] Bonfire, but some people think it's bondfire.

[2112] I've said both for sure And bomb fire You've said bomb fire I've never heard of that seems real literal One of them is diarrhea Oh that's how the New Yorker say diarrhea Yeah that's it is because of diarrhea I fucking came in there's diarrhea all over the fucking floor I hate this dog Also this is very common People think it's duct tape It is D -U -C -T tape It's duct tape Yes we're an air ducted But they think it's D -U -C -K?

[2113] Yeah.

[2114] That makes sense.

[2115] Easy.

[2116] No shame there, guys.

[2117] A scapegoat.

[2118] Wait, I think it's a scapegoat.

[2119] It's scapegoat.

[2120] Yeah.

[2121] Escape.

[2122] People think it's...

[2123] They think it's Escape.

[2124] Yep.

[2125] I feel like I'm rewriting that admittance essay with Lincoln right now, which I did for four hours on Sunday.

[2126] Okay.

[2127] Oh, wait, this is common.

[2128] This is good.

[2129] A lot of people think it's flush out.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] I used to make this mistake.

[2132] And it's flesh out.

[2133] Flesh out.

[2134] This is good for people to hear.

[2135] Expresso, espresso.

[2136] You're in a rabbit hole now.

[2137] Flustrated, frustrated.

[2138] Right.

[2139] People think it's frustrated.

[2140] No, but I always grew up saying frustrated.

[2141] My family says frustrated, no R at the beginning.

[2142] And rebroke me of that.

[2143] You know, it's frustrated, right?

[2144] I was frustrated.

[2145] I'm now frustrated with this conversation.

[2146] Oh, some people think it's hear buds instead of earbuds, which makes sense.

[2147] It's kind of like egg corn.

[2148] Yeah, that's almost like the best.

[2149] Oh, and some people think it's happy as a clown, but it's happy as a clam.

[2150] Again, I get that.

[2151] Because how do we know that clams are even happy?

[2152] Well, they're smiling.

[2153] That's why.

[2154] Yeah, they're always smiling.

[2155] They're built with a smile.

[2156] Okay, elicit a response.

[2157] It is elicitor response, but it's E -L -I -C -I -T.

[2158] The most, we're missing the most common one.

[2159] What?

[2160] Which is for all intents and purposes.

[2161] For all intents and purposes.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] People say intense and purposes, but it's intense and purposes.

[2164] People think it's intensive purposes.

[2165] Yeah, there you go, intensive.

[2166] For all intensive purposes.

[2167] I think I thought that for, a long time.

[2168] Sure, that's an easy one.

[2169] That's easy.

[2170] Again, no shame.

[2171] Some people think Heimlich remover.

[2172] Well, you should have some shame with that one.

[2173] We should have a shame scale for these.

[2174] Oh, some people think jigsawf puzzles.

[2175] I could see that.

[2176] Yeah, absolutely.

[2177] Jigsolve puzzles.

[2178] Just deserves.

[2179] Just desserts.

[2180] Yeah.

[2181] I've never heard.

[2182] What is it?

[2183] How would you use that?

[2184] Well, she got her just desserts.

[2185] Like she re -put, she sewed.

[2186] Poetic.

[2187] What do they call that justice, poetic justice.

[2188] Just deserve sounds like it would be right.

[2189] Yeah, because she got what she deserves.

[2190] Oh, no. Some people think it's lab top.

[2191] For what?

[2192] Laptop.

[2193] Some of these people just have dyslexia.

[2194] That one you should feel shame.

[2195] Well, no, because they probably have dyslexia.

[2196] They're like autocorrect.

[2197] It's solved some of these.

[2198] Oh, some people think it's lesser of two equals.

[2199] That's impossible.

[2200] That's an oxymoron.

[2201] If they're equal, one can't be lesser.

[2202] Yeah, you're right.

[2203] Lesser of two equals.

[2204] Okay, mute point, moot point, huge.

[2205] Huge.

[2206] I've definitely grown up saying mute point.

[2207] Oh, huge.

[2208] Nerve wrecking or nerve wracking.

[2209] I say nerve wracking.

[2210] Yeah, that's correct.

[2211] Okay, nerve wrecking.

[2212] You can see where nerve wrecking works, too.

[2213] Some people think it's nippet in the butt.

[2214] Well, those are perverts.

[2215] So you say that?

[2216] Yeah.

[2217] I'm going to start.

[2218] Nip it in the butt.

[2219] But we got to nip this in the butt.

[2220] I want to nip everything in the butt.

[2221] Plate mats.

[2222] Oh, I think a lot of people think it's pre -Madona, P -R -E -Dash -Madonna.

[2223] Right.

[2224] And it's prima donna.

[2225] Oh, put me in the former camp.

[2226] Wow, that's cool.

[2227] I'm starting to get really sad for Aaron and Dean.

[2228] Why?

[2229] Because we're not seeing Badelli's on there.

[2230] Oh, okay.

[2231] I'm not sure that's going to make this.

[2232] Or the Jake Isles band.

[2233] Well, that is a super common one, the Jake Isles band.

[2234] Scandily clad.

[2235] Scantily?

[2236] Mm -hmm.

[2237] Oh, yeah, some of these, self -of -esteem.

[2238] Oh, you should feel shameful.

[2239] That should lower yourself.

[2240] What was it?

[2241] Self -of -steam.

[2242] That should lower yourself of steam.

[2243] Sky -scratcher.

[2244] Come on.

[2245] No way.

[2246] It's a whirlpool.

[2247] Nope.

[2248] I mean, I can see it.

[2249] I can see it.

[2250] These don't even sound like the other ones.

[2251] Oh, this one for sure.

[2252] Take it for granted.

[2253] I'm...

[2254] Yeah, this is a tough one.

[2255] I don't even know where I land on it.

[2256] Well, granite is the one.

[2257] And what do they say?

[2258] Take it for granite.

[2259] Oh, granite, like the stone.

[2260] Yeah, but a lot of people say that.

[2261] Okay.

[2262] I say take it for granted.

[2263] Underbrella.

[2264] Oh.

[2265] Oh, a lot of people make this mistake.

[2266] And I always feel embarrassed.

[2267] Like, I don't want to correct them.

[2268] But a lot of people say valetive.

[2269] Victorian.

[2270] Valedictorian?

[2271] Is it my saying it right or wrong?

[2272] You said it right.

[2273] Validictorian.

[2274] My base assumption is I'm saying everything wrong.

[2275] I know.

[2276] You're doing pretty good.

[2277] None of these would be.

[2278] Vakinis.

[2279] Oh, Vakines.

[2280] Just spelling errors.

[2281] Can fucking come out of my vikini.

[2282] There's diarrhea everywhere.

[2283] Oh my God.

[2284] Vimmin vinegar.

[2285] Nope.

[2286] This is a tough one.

[2287] Vipin vinegar.

[2288] There's this, this is a few of these.

[2289] There's vim and vinegar and vip and vignor.

[2290] No, it's vim and vigor.

[2291] Vim and vigour.

[2292] Vim and vigor.

[2293] It's Vip and vigor.

[2294] Type in vip and vigor.

[2295] Vip and vigor.

[2296] It's not.

[2297] It's Vim and vigor.

[2298] Vim and vigor.

[2299] Yeah.

[2300] Let's see you.

[2301] Oh, common wet your appetite.

[2302] Oh, yeah.

[2303] What's wrong with that?

[2304] It's W -H -E -T.

[2305] W -H -E -T, but you can't hear the difference between W -H -E -T.

[2306] No, but it says if people are writing it, they would write it wrong.

[2307] Oh, they would write it wrong.

[2308] wrong, yeah.

[2309] I would definitely write W -E -T your appetite.

[2310] Yeah.

[2311] And then I'd say nip it in the butt.

[2312] It's like peak and that nip it in the butt.

[2313] You got to nip your appetite in the butt.

[2314] Like peak your interest?

[2315] That, I happen to know just because I write so much.

[2316] P -I -Q -U -E?

[2317] Yeah.

[2318] But I didn't know.

[2319] Of course I thought it was P -E -A -K.

[2320] Windshield factor versus Windchill factor.

[2321] A wind chill factor.

[2322] And they say windshield?

[2323] Yeah.

[2324] Okay.

[2325] That was a great list.

[2326] Look at that.

[2327] We just, we We struck gold.

[2328] We really did.

[2329] You were in the mine.

[2330] We were chop, chop, chop.

[2331] That's good because I didn't really have any more facts other than when he mentioned Pino Poodle.

[2332] Oh, that was a fun one for you.

[2333] And by the way, you could have chosen to get offended by that.

[2334] And I was happy you chose to enjoy that.

[2335] Wait, why would I be offended?

[2336] Because I could see a feminist going like, I'm not a Pino Poodle because I like Pino.

[2337] Oh, noir.

[2338] Oh, I didn't even think about that.

[2339] Oh, girl, you know, that's a poodle.

[2340] You would not call a, he's not calling dudes Pino Piddle.

[2341] Are you sure?

[2342] He might call, he might call his dudes who like the Pina.

[2343] I liked it.

[2344] So I don't want to shine too much of a light on it.

[2345] But I was just like, when he said it, I immediately checked him with you.

[2346] I'm like, I hope this goes well.

[2347] And you were very happy.

[2348] And then I was really happy.

[2349] I guess I assumed he would call anyone that.

[2350] Are you a Pino Poodle?

[2351] Yeah.

[2352] Yeah.

[2353] Yeah, see, it happened again.

[2354] Yeah, I think it's great.

[2355] Good.

[2356] I want to be one.

[2357] but I want my male friends, male friends, run into Pino to be called Pino Poodles too.

[2358] I just don't know very many.

[2359] It is interesting that dogs can somehow represent different genders.

[2360] Poodle mostly.

[2361] Yeah, it's like female.

[2362] Yeah, but it's because people put bows on their hair and stuff.

[2363] Yeah, and they have big feminine hair styles generally when you see them.

[2364] But why is it feminine?

[2365] Oh, you mean the way it's cut?

[2366] The way females have done their hair conventionally versus guys.

[2367] In the 60s, guys didn't have like a big pufant.

[2368] with a thing at the time, you know.

[2369] I know, but really it's just curly hair.

[2370] Like Dan and...

[2371] Well, they blow it up and they...

[2372] Yeah.

[2373] Dan and what's it called?

[2374] Aaron's dogs.

[2375] Aaron's dogs.

[2376] Oh, yeah, Dan and...

[2377] They're poodles.

[2378] No, they're doodles.

[2379] Yeah, I know, but that's a lot of poodle in them.

[2380] Yeah, half poodle.

[2381] And their hair is curly.

[2382] Yeah.

[2383] But Aaron says it's so funny every time he's walking.

[2384] those dogs in the neighborhood.

[2385] By the way, they're both doodles, but one's a third the size of the other.

[2386] Yeah.

[2387] And every time he's walking the dogs, he says, just random people are like, what kind of doodle is that?

[2388] People ask him that.

[2389] Yeah, what kind of doodle.

[2390] That's cute.

[2391] I think it's a real community, the doodles.

[2392] That's, yeah.

[2393] Dog lovers are like this.

[2394] Like, they, they find the breed that's their breed.

[2395] Represents them, yeah.

[2396] And then they're obsessed.

[2397] And they stop Aaron on the sidewalk and say, what kind of doodle is that?

[2398] He says a Dedele dole.

[2399] Badele.

[2400] A Badele doodle.

[2401] She does so many Badellies.

[2402] Because like Molly and Eric, especially Molly, I've been with her, when she sees, what are the, King Charles?

[2403] Yeah, that's her spirit animal.

[2404] Yes.

[2405] She'll always stop and have to talk to them about their King Charles talk.

[2406] Absolutely.

[2407] Irresistible.

[2408] I feel that way about Brussels Gryffins.

[2409] For her phone.

[2410] Yeah.

[2411] They're never as cute.

[2412] Again, this is the crazy story.

[2413] The first time I ever saw him that was.

[2414] as cute, they were goddamn brothers.

[2415] I know.

[2416] And there's a person in New York City with a fucking Brussels in a basket of a bicycle.

[2417] And he knew everything.

[2418] And it was Max brother.

[2419] It was Max.

[2420] It was Max fucking brother.

[2421] Of course.

[2422] I can't believe that story.

[2423] Ding, ding, ding.

[2424] Jeans.

[2425] Sometimes when Eric and I are talking about the Sim, we compare it to that store.

[2426] Does that come up?

[2427] Yeah.

[2428] He always says, not like the brother dog.

[2429] Okay, good.

[2430] So that's like, that's the hot.

[2431] Watermark for the Sim for him.

[2432] Yeah.

[2433] It is strong.

[2434] It is.

[2435] But let's not forget the cutest punchline of that whole story is that Brie brought him to New York on a trip.

[2436] And she said she couldn't believe how confident he was strutting down the street.

[2437] Like he was clearly home.

[2438] He was back in New York City.

[2439] And he was like Saturday Night Fever just fucking running the show.

[2440] He's one inches tall.

[2441] That should be the scariest place for a dog.

[2442] We lost him about.

[2443] two months ago.

[2444] Oh, sorry.

[2445] He's a good little boy, Bilby.

[2446] We called him Bilby.

[2447] Oh, Mac.

[2448] Yeah.

[2449] That is sad.

[2450] He's the sweetest little fucking God.

[2451] Did you cry when you heard?

[2452] I didn't because it was accompanied with all these great photos.

[2453] Like, it started this chain between Bree and Kristen and I of, like, photos we had of Mac looking ridiculous.

[2454] Because he kept getting himself in the raccoon trap one time where.

[2455] couldn't stay out of the right and then she has all these insane ones where when he's wet out of the bath and different things but boy he you know he looked a thousand years old by the end because I went over to see him last year knowing we're getting towards the end I'm like I want to come spend some time and she had to just lift him off of an area in the house and then carry him out to the couch and he just sat there and he was like he was just out of gas but he was still hanging in fuck oh bill I wonder if he's hanging out with my grandpa oh they've would be fast friends absolutely mac liked everybody yeah he was a very sweet dog in the fastest little bugger i've ever seen in my life at one time on the beach it looked like the scene in superman when he fly he starts superman runs past the speeding train like all these super athletic dogs hauling ass and then also mac shot out of nowhere and blasted by him did he die in his sleep.

[2456] Yeah, he died, died making love to his wife, just like McConaughey's dad.

[2457] That's great, great.

[2458] This is the dream death.

[2459] All righty.

[2460] Love you.

[2461] Love you.

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