#183 - Jason Silva

[0] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[1] See, and then it becomes a totally different thing.

[2] I love it, dude.

[3] I love the environment you've created here.

[4] Brian, is that a UFO?

[5] You're fucking tripping me out, man. The idea of artists using genomes or genes for their canvas, that is one of the most amazing new ideas that I've heard.

[6] That, just that statement.

[7] Oh, yeah.

[8] It really makes you, like, change the, the way you look at things, like, oh, yeah, really.

[9] Well, especially when the guy that said that phrase is Freeman Dyson, he's considered the world's most eminent physicist.

[10] I mean, he's on par with Einstein.

[11] I mean, but he obviously is also a poet because the way he says it, in the future, a new generation of artists will be writing genomes with the fluency that Blake and Byron wrote verses.

[12] In fact, I just saw him speak at DLD in Munich, and he said that soon we'll have the entire biosphere in the palm of our hands.

[13] So imagine what that means.

[14] We might be like evolution's secret weapon.

[15] It's inevitable, right?

[16] Oh, absolutely.

[17] If you look at the progress that's been made, it's not going to stop.

[18] What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end, said Nietzsche.

[19] It's so amazing to be here right now while it's all going down.

[20] This is like the bottom of the funnel, you know, where it's happening so fucking ridiculously fast.

[21] Well, you know what it is?

[22] It's the first time in history that we don't need time lapse photography to be able to witness it.

[23] You know, it's like you don't see a plant growing, but with time lapse, you can actually see that the plants is alive and that it's growing.

[24] If you could see human progress over just the last hundred years through time lapse, you would literally see that it's like our thought.

[25] spill over into the world.

[26] I mean, that's what human imagination is, right?

[27] Our ability to conjure up future possibilities, pick the most delightful one, pull the present forward to meet it.

[28] I mean, the airplane, the jetliner, the internet, it all started in somebody's mind or in a group of minds, and then it kind of spilled over.

[29] Like, we literally live in condensations of our imagination.

[30] Terence McKenna used to say that, which sounds psychedelic, except it's literally true.

[31] Right?

[32] I've always thought that it's such a strange thing, that the imagination is this invisible, wistful thing that's inside your...

[33] head that doesn't really exist.

[34] It's just your imagination.

[35] But from that comes everything that's been created has been thought up in the imagination and somehow another.

[36] And it's so weird that we sort of have this like flippant view of the imagination.

[37] I mean, we value creativity for sure, but just the idea of imagining.

[38] It's almost like it's like we get to work.

[39] Yeah, we value creativity, but we don't give it the kind of status that it merits.

[40] James Glick, who wrote the information.

[41] It's a book that talks about how the fundamental building block of reality might actually be information.

[42] He talks about it from bit, so everything is information.

[43] And he wrote a fantastic article where he talks about how it turns out that our ideas.

[44] Ideas are just as real as the neurons they inhabit.

[45] And ideas, it's like a new kingdom that rises above the biosphere, and the denizens of this kingdom are ideas.

[46] Ideas have retained the properties of organisms.

[47] They have infectivity.

[48] They have spreading power.

[49] They leap from brain to brain.

[50] they compete for the limited resources of our attention.

[51] And here's the most interesting thing.

[52] Even though ideas are not made of nucleic acid, they have achieved more evolutionary change at a rate that leaves the old gene panting far behind.

[53] So ideas, you know, to say that ideas change the world or they transform reality is not a metaphor.

[54] Ideas do transform reality.

[55] In fact, they transform reality better than biological evolution did.

[56] And Terence McKenna actually said that the moment that we invented language, biological evolution essentially stopped and evolution became a cultural epigenetic phenomenon.

[57] Because now we take in matter of low organization.

[58] It goes through our mental filters and it pops out as iPhones and space shuttles.

[59] I mean, this is all the human brain, the most complex thing in the universe that's producing the world that we inhabit.

[60] And so on and so forth.

[61] It's impossible.

[62] It's impossible to wrap your head around.

[63] It's like the end of it.

[64] It's like trying to figure out where it's going to go from here.

[65] It's like, what the fuck is going to happen?

[66] What is going to be the next breakthrough that makes the Internet look like, you know, like a landline?

[67] Virtual reality, right?

[68] Right.

[69] Terence McKenna also said we're each increasingly moving into universes of our own construction, right?

[70] Paola Antonelli from the MoMA in New York City, she talks about, she did an exhibit called Design and the Elastic Mind, and recently they did an exhibit called Talk to Me about how we interface with our technological tools, which is very much the whole Marshall McLuhan, like first we build the tools and then they build us.

[71] And she talks about existence maximum.

[72] She says that, you know, personal iPods, for example, allow us to create customized playlist.

[73] So essentially we can all impose soundtracks on our lives.

[74] So we're each living in different universes because we each are scoring our lives and instrumenting our lives in different ways.

[75] And reality, therefore, is further sort of separated into individual subjective universes.

[76] So to say that we each live in our own reality is absolutely true.

[77] Instead of living in a sort of consensus trance, we're each increasingly moving into our own customized utopias, our own lucid dreams.

[78] That's amazing.

[79] Is that really possible?

[80] Is that really what's going on?

[81] Is it all of our reality?

[82] or imaginary things that we've created that are interacting with others?

[83] Well, Robert Anton Wilson talks about your reality tunnels.

[84] I mean, certainly there is an element of consensus reality where we sort of respect each other and acknowledge each other as other entities that we share space with.

[85] But certainly, like, how I perceive moment -to -moment reality is edited by my preconceptions, by my stereotypes, by the way I was brought up by certain belief systems and so on and so forth.

[86] These things act as filters that skew how I perceive things.

[87] And we're all stuck in our reality tunnels, and people talk about illumination and shedding your reality tunnels to seeing sort of broader, more interesting, varied realities.

[88] And, yeah, I definitely think that we're each individual realities.

[89] Do you think that we're gaining some new cognitive functions and some new abilities to read each other and to have insight into each other because of technology?

[90] Yeah, I mean, I think that the first information technology was language in the alphabet.

[91] You know, I mean, people always like criticize technologies.

[92] You know when we invented writing, it's been said that Socrates used to say that you should never write anything down because it was going to rot our brains and this technology of writing was this terrible thing.

[93] And then it kind of becomes so embedded in who and what we are.

[94] Jay Z rocks it too.

[95] Jay Z and Socrates.

[96] Because Jay Z, I've always been amazed that he doesn't write any of his wraps down.

[97] And that's not true.

[98] He's brilliant, he just keeps them all in his head.

[99] And it's in Everlast, it's the same way.

[100] Doesn't write anything down.

[101] Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, whatever works for each person, but I think that what...

[102] Yeah, they feel like they should, as an artist, be able to spew out all their best stuff.

[103] But even language and thinking is in technology, too.

[104] I mean, we're still depending on various components of the brain to do a certain function.

[105] So I think this, what we call this skin bag bias, I mean, this assumption that it's better if it's all coming from within us.

[106] think our actual minds are actually part of a dance between our brains and our environments and our tools.

[107] I mean, I outsource part of my cognition to the iPhone.

[108] There's a whole theory called the extended mind thesis.

[109] You literally, you create artful change in the world using the magic wand known as the iPhone.

[110] It stores part of your memory.

[111] It allows you to interface with reality and actually cause change in reality.

[112] Amber Case is a cyborg anthropologist.

[113] She says our smartphones basically give us technologically mediated telepathy.

[114] SMS is basically, sending your thoughts through time and space at the speed of light by pressing a few buttons you become telepathic all you have to do is embrace the idea that that's a part of you it's the extended phenotype that Richard Dawkins or talks about right you know termites build termite colonies termite colonies are part of this termite species you know what we produce is part of our extended phenotype it's a part of us it's not separate from us I think that idea is so this is just connecting us to us this is really just connecting us us to us enhancing who you are because you are the connection between you and all the other positive organisms around you and the more you can the more you can keep that going exponentially the happier and the better life will be yes this it really is an enhancement of you emerged and evolved the same way biological functions and features emerged and evolved yeah Kevin Kelly's treaties on this what technology wants is a fantastic and he talks about how technology has a direction that has tendencies and whatnot.

[115] And Ray Kurzweil, of course, who's a friend and hero.

[116] I mean, he says our ability to create virtual models, virtual reality in our heads, combined simply with our modest looking thumbs, was sufficient to usher in literally a secondary force of evolution called technology.

[117] And it will continue an accelerating pace until the entire universe is at our fingertips.

[118] And the thing is people say, wow, how poetic, how metaphorical, except what he's saying is these exponential growth curves of technology and then impregnating computation into matter with nanotechnology, or impregnating man -made evolution into synthetic biology or artificial life.

[119] These convergence of these exponentially growing technologies are literally, you know, it's like Stuart Brand says we are as gods and might as well get good at it.

[120] Like having invented the gods, we can turn into them.

[121] It's not to say like instead of praying for transcendence, let's engineer transcendence, let's engineer ourselves into blissful, you know, utopic existence.

[122] Hopefully or nuclear war.

[123] That's the other problem.

[124] The other problem is that man is also wicked good at blowing shit up.

[125] You know, like, it seems like at our highest levels of technology, the best shit we have is the most impressive shit is the shit that can just wipe things out.

[126] Like, has there ever been anything more impressive than atomic power?

[127] Is there ever been anything more oppressive than the idea of you just a reset button for a whole city?

[128] That's insane.

[129] Yeah.

[130] And the idea that that became an option.

[131] Yeah.

[132] I mean, one has to acknowledge that, you know, technology extends who and what we are, and, you know, you can use the alphabet to compose Shakespearean sonnets, or you can use the alphabet to compose hate speech.

[133] So something that extends your thought, reach, and vision, kind of like a scaffolding, can be used in any direction, but it's up to the cultural.

[134] So that's what the cultural conversation is all about.

[135] That's where the story of who and what we are, that's where culture plays a key role.

[136] Right, but how are we going to use these tools?

[137] The scientists all have almost an obligation to chase down every idea.

[138] Well, that's what humans do.

[139] So for them, it's like, they have that justification.

[140] I'm sure they had it when they built the first atomic bomb that we must build it before the Germans, right?

[141] I mean, it wasn't that what they...

[142] That's probably what they wanted to make sure.

[143] You know, the Germans could have easily done it to us first, and then we would have been fucked, and that was the idea.

[144] Sure.

[145] I mean, that's, I guess, where a change in consciousness is as important as the power of our tools, you know?

[146] Yeah, easily, more important, right?

[147] That's more...

[148] It's like, we have to grow up first where we can use all this crazy shit we have.

[149] And we're not necessarily completely grown up.

[150] It's possible, though, right?

[151] Well, we're on our way.

[152] There's a great Stephen Pinker did a TED talk called The Myth of Violence.

[153] And he says that contrary to the media environment that, you know, if it bleeds, it leads, the realities that the world is getting safer all the time, and the chances of a man dying at the hands of another man are lower than they've ever been.

[154] And he chronicles the decline in violence over the last hundred years, and it's like totally counterintuitive because it's totally not what you think.

[155] But, you know, this guy's like well -research, and it's unbelievable.

[156] or Hans Robling who has a website called Gapminder that actually shows you the progress across the world and all the people coming out of poverty and all these things that are happening that actually point to you know things getting infinitely better across a variety of indicators and yet this is not what you hear in the news because it doesn't make the headlines because if it bleeds it leads and that's unfortunate well I think it's just a numbers issue I don't think we're supposed to have access to 300 million lives because if there's 300 million people and that's who we're including in our news and this happened here and that happened there you're going to get a lot of fucked up shit yeah but per capita really not that much per capita america's pretty goddamn safe i mean it's you know it's even the world has never been safer i mean the world's never been safe like to have this many people and to be this safe like be pessimistic all day but you've got a point towards there's some progress going on oh absolutely there's some sort of social progress going on well i think that the the ted conference that's why it's such a sort of wondrous force in nature because I think that they've brought back the academics and made them sexy and the intelligentsia is out there chronicling all the progress that has been made in technology and entertainment and design and also pointing to what's wrong but in a sort of smart mature way and that's a phenomenon like that like makes me happy like in an age of you know reality television like we also have you know the TED conference and the TED talks yeah I think it's I was thinking about this today in my car I was like this is the only time ever where people really as a whole group were exposed to all sorts of alternative ideas without having to continue your education without without being you know like I think for a lot of our parents when they got out of school and you know and then they started working like what do they do they picked up the paper now and again you know what I'm saying like what did you you heard what Walter Cronkite told you on the evening news like your access to what the fuck was really going on was ridiculously small you didn't know anything They were lost.

[157] They were thinking Captain America was out there, saving the world.

[158] They were like little children.

[159] Totally.

[160] The difference between that and what your children are going to have, the access they're going to have from birth.

[161] It's insane.

[162] It's not even the same species.

[163] It's not the same reality.

[164] Informationally, it's like it's not even the same reality.

[165] Totally spot off on what you're saying.

[166] I don't think we even realize how crazy it is because we're caught up in this cyclone and we just have accepted it.

[167] That's why they call it a singularity and that's why it's such a great metaphor.

[168] And, you know, it's not the only one.

[169] We had a singularity when we invented language.

[170] I mean, life after language is impossible to imagine, I think, to people on the other side of the line.

[171] Like pre -language beings can not imagine what life after language would have been.

[172] And it's only been 100 ,000 years.

[173] Right, exactly.

[174] You had a brilliant thing where you were talking online, one of your videos, where you were talking about Manhattan.

[175] Yeah.

[176] And how you were described.

[177] Please say that.

[178] Okay, absolutely.

[179] There's a new book by David Deutsch.

[180] He's a quantum physicist and genius.

[181] It's called The Beginning of Infinity.

[182] and I read this New York Times review of the book before I even found the book but it was like it was the guy was saying there was this mesmerizing intellect and just to give you an example of where his head is at he says if you consider the topology of Manhattan as it exists today so the physical topography of that entire landmass is no longer shaped by the forces of geology literally geology has been trumped by the forces of mind manifested as economics culture human behavior so we're literally artifacting landscapes now like mind over matter literalized and what he's saying is that that might ultimately be the fate of the whole universe and that gravitation and antimatter only govern the universe at its least interesting stages but where we're moving in terms of the ability of mind to shape reality as in the physical topography of Manhattan and the world at large is that eventually that will be the fate of the whole universe so substrate independent minds impregnating intelligence into the cosmos.

[183] We're talking like...

[184] Death Star.

[185] We're talking Death Star type shit.

[186] I was going to say like a cosmic symphony during the crescendo stretching on forever.

[187] Like...

[188] Wow.

[189] Or the Death Star.

[190] Or the Death Star.

[191] Remember how badass the Death Star was?

[192] It could blow up a whole fucking planet.

[193] You better shut your mouth, bitch.

[194] They built a fake planet.

[195] We said on Dad.

[196] Come on, man. That's an amazing accomplishment as well.

[197] If someone started building the Death Star, they would have to keep going.

[198] They would have to see if they could do it.

[199] You just can't fund that project, folks.

[200] Don't fund the Death Star project.

[201] The moon is going to be the Death Star.

[202] It's going to be Dick Cheney's head out in space.

[203] It's going to be a robotic Dick Cheney head.

[204] Actually, space is a very exciting frontier now with the privatization of space.

[205] We're going to see you like radical innovation.

[206] I mean, you have this new generation of techno philanthropists.

[207] It has to be privatized, right?

[208] You have to let people try because they're going to come up with some crazy.

[209] Not only that, but the people that are behind it are people who have made billions in the information age who have the resources of nation states.

[210] And now individuals, visionaries, private individuals have the power that only government used to have.

[211] This is actually talked about, you should have a...

[212] That's what scares people, that anybody could just build some rockets and just launch them on people.

[213] You know, it's like, that's where it starts from.

[214] I mean, the money behind all these space ideas, you know, just go up in space.

[215] All that shit, it's military.

[216] They want to make sure that they have the ability to communicate, watch shit.

[217] drop bombs fuck you up get to you quicker I mean that's that's what funds a lot of innovation when it comes to I mean yeah at first a lot of innovation has come from military research but it very quickly translate down to consumers I mean the fact it's just because of the money involved right isn't it in the military contracts are gigantic yeah it's because of the resources required but I mean when you consider the fact that GPS on your smartphone today is largely free you know or that a person with a cell phone in Africa today has better communications technology than the U .S. President did 25 years ago.

[218] And, you know, a billion people buying smartphone for the first time, what they call the rising billion.

[219] They're coming online, joining the global conversations, a billion new minds coming online, you know, joining the global brain.

[220] I mean, it really is an encouraging, I think.

[221] And, you know, you should have, you should talk to Peter Diamandis, who started the XPRIZ Foundation and co -founded Singularity University with Kurzweil.

[222] He's got a new book all about how we can leverage emerging technologies to transform the world for the better, like infinitely so.

[223] it's called abundance so how come we can't get AT &T to keep a fucking phone going how can we can't get that how come we can't get a call to not drop is that possible that's just ridiculous why is that still going on you know what phone calls still drop from time to time fix that wonky system the incredible shit that we have now why AT &T why we just can't keep up why do you keep fucking the AT &T Verizon doesn't fuck me like you fuck me they all fuck up They all use the same towers.

[224] No, they don't, you silly boy.

[225] They have two totally different signals.

[226] Well, I'm not Verizon and AT &T, but like if you look at what's going on with Sprint right now and Verizon, I think it is, they all should piggyback off each other's towers.

[227] Well, then I would go with Sprint too because Verizon's awesome.

[228] And AT &T can suck it.

[229] Yeah.

[230] How about that?

[231] I'm not a fan of it.

[232] I have both Verizon and AT &T.

[233] But AT &T is definitely better if you want to be able to get online while you're on a call.

[234] Yeah, because you can't do it on Verizon.

[235] That is pretty cool.

[236] It's just you realize how great the iPhone is if you go to Canada.

[237] You go to Canada, their cell cell system is way better than ours.

[238] They don't drop calls up there.

[239] It's fucking awesome.

[240] Like Rogers.

[241] Is that what it is?

[242] Yeah.

[243] Is that what it is?

[244] I think so.

[245] It's great.

[246] I think that the iPhone is the modern magic wand.

[247] I mean, when you consider the amount of magic, well, Arthur C. Clark, right?

[248] It's better than a magic wand, right?

[249] Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for magic.

[250] I mean, there comes a point when something, when an instrument of man is transcendent, that it literally change how he relates to.

[251] to reality.

[252] I think the iPhone is on that scale of innovation.

[253] I mean, if you were to show the iPhone to somebody 200 years ago, they would have thought that you are a god, right?

[254] I mean, that is a magical machine.

[255] Where are you when you're on a telephone call to the other side of the planet?

[256] I mean, they're hearing your voice, or they're hearing a representation of your voice, except it's in real time and it responds to feedback instantly.

[257] Are you here?

[258] Are you there?

[259] Are you disembodied?

[260] Eddie Griffin had the best bit ever on the guy who invented telephone.

[261] phone he goes how high you got to be to be sitting around going I want to talk to someone who isn't even here totally totally but see you just hit the nail in the head about just how psychedelic modern information technology is you know John Markoff wrote a book called what the dormouse said it's a true history of Silicon Valley innovation in the 60s and it's all about how dungless Engelbart and the Xerox park and all these people that were trying to augment human intelligence by any means necessary the birth of the computing revolution and how they collided with like the counterculture and the psychedelic movement of the 60s and half of these engineers were all like tripping out and computers were all of a sudden reconfigured it wasn't these big like government centralized machines but no computers could be extensions of the human mind and Timothy Leary came out in the 80s and says guess what the computers the LSD of the 90s I mean that's literally what it was because computers are what mind manifesting expanding your sphere of possibility expanding your mind I mean these are psychedelic slogans being applied to technology.

[262] And I think that that's spot on.

[263] I think you're right.

[264] I think the interaction that you have with social networks with Facebook and Twitter and message boards and stuff like that.

[265] It accelerates your sphere of ideas so incredibly.

[266] I think about not just because of people like people sending you fascinating things, but other people's points of view and comments on them where you, you know, sometimes it's one of the more interesting things.

[267] I'll watch a great video and I want to read the comments because you know every now and then you know you go wow that guy just put it in a unique perspective that I hadn't considered before totally I mean it allows you know spaces for innovation where ideas can have sex and it's this is like similar to genetic recombination in nature so ideas having spaces and liquid networks as Stephen Johnson talks about spaces where they can complete each other where they can intermingle where they can fuse and recombine I mean we're having the primordial soup of human culture creating a new replicator and these replicators are achieving more change than biological evolution ever did.

[268] And so that's where things get kind of crazy.

[269] What they call the Neuosphere is this new thing that rises above the biosphere, where psyche, where mind lives.

[270] And guess what?

[271] Mind is now transcending time, space, and distance.

[272] We become post -geographical beings where shared passions can conjure self -organization and teamwork and collaboration and cooperation in these open spaces without, like, entropy getting in the way, without having to, like, get over there, the labor that it takes to get over.

[273] over there to meet that person.

[274] What was the idea that McKenna had that there's like some transcendent object at the end of time that's pulling us towards it and as we get closer to it, we become more like it.

[275] Is that what it is?

[276] I think that that was his metaphor.

[277] One crazy way of looking at it.

[278] Yeah, I mean, the metaphor, everybody uses a different word.

[279] You know, Kurzweil coins it the singularity, which is a metaphor borrowed from physics to describe what happens when you go through a black hole, which is to say all the laws of physics collapse.

[280] So you borrow that to describe this kind of event horizon that's just within our reach where it almost becomes impossible to define or describe because at that point we're going to be so deeply intertwined with these new tools that are going to change the way we think and perceive and are basically.

[281] And McKenna might have a different name for it.

[282] You know, this guy used to call it the Omega Point, you know, Pierre Des Chardine, this Jesuit priest talked about a move towards the Omega Point.

[283] I mean, all the metaphors are there.

[284] And, I mean, I definitely.

[285] I mean, we're already there.

[286] We fly through the air and talk on the phone and surf the web in machines with wings on them over oceans.

[287] Yeah, no shit.

[288] Where are we?

[289] Where are we?

[290] The plane thing is amazing that it's still the same thing.

[291] It's still getting the tube flying the air.

[292] Like, we haven't figured that.

[293] That hasn't really gotten any better.

[294] Well, at that point, it's economics.

[295] It's just the price of fuel.

[296] I mean, we've still, I mean, they've become much safer.

[297] I think the chances of having an accident is like $1 .25 million.

[298] it's this yeah it's way safer it's just still the same thing it's still just crazy it's the same thing teleportation yeah when's that gonna pop up because it seems like this plain thing's been going on for a while like really that's it's as good as we can do it I feel like there's some other shit you know definitely it'd be cool when we could transfer brains like like you have like a empty soul over on the other side so you'd be like all right I'm just going to transfer my brain thoughts into an whole yeah you could probably have a human copy and that was Kurzweil's idea right to be able to copy yourself into an operating system.

[299] I mean, yes, and that creates that philosophical conundrum because it says if you scan your brain and you put it in a computer, then which is you?

[300] That one or this one?

[301] But he says that that's not actually how it's going to happen.

[302] What's going to happen is more and more of our biology is going to be replaced by non -biological components, but it'll be millions of baby steps.

[303] So first you'll replace 5%, then 10%.

[304] And eventually, after a bunch of gradual steps, you're all non -biological, but you never felt any change.

[305] So that's how it's still you.

[306] I know a dude who has an artificial need.

[307] And he was just telling me about his artificial knee.

[308] And I was just thinking about it.

[309] I was just thinking about it.

[310] I was like, wow, that's just how it begins.

[311] He's just walking around.

[312] Dude, he's got a fake knee.

[313] Dude, he's just walking around.

[314] Totally.

[315] He's bionic.

[316] I know.

[317] We're already cyborgs.

[318] I mean, think about it.

[319] Our cars are exoskeletons.

[320] So are our airplanes.

[321] These are suits that we put on that transform the way we interface.

[322] I mean, we're already.

[323] It just looks like a mustache.

[324] Yeah.

[325] Really, yeah, it really is.

[326] That's why people want them to look cool.

[327] This is my cool suit.

[328] Yeah.

[329] And some people, you know, some people get a little freaked out and they're like, oh, but this is unnatural.

[330] But it's actually not because the same biosphere that sprouted human beings and sprouted flowers sprouted the microchip.

[331] I mean, Buckminster Fuller said, start with the universe.

[332] If you look at Earth as a planetary system, everything that comes out of it is natural.

[333] That means that the microchip, the iPhone, is as natural as a tree.

[334] Yeah, absolutely.

[335] That's what's amazing because it's following the same kind of momentum, I think, that began with the big bang and the self -organizing properties that are just sprouting all these innovation evolution evolving its own evolvability i think is the term that kevin kelly used that it's insane it's insane right and it's a good antidote to existential malaise right i mean to the the continuing fact of death the death sentence that hovers over human beings makes life very difficult we're very silly in that fact that we will people want to concentrate on that end and oh it's coming it's coming it's coming and like way before it ever gets there you fucking shit your pants on it you know it's like yeah it's gonna come but you've got to enjoy this You got to learn how to enjoy this.

[336] You have to.

[337] The best way to be happy, the only way to truly be happy is to do what you want to do and enjoy this.

[338] Oh, yeah.

[339] You can make plans for the future and you can discipline yourself and you can set goals.

[340] That's all well and good.

[341] But you better be enjoying this.

[342] Oh, you have to.

[343] Otherwise, you're being a silly person.

[344] Well, you got to find what gets you off and try to make sure that whatever gets you off is also functionally productive.

[345] Yeah.

[346] Yeah.

[347] And, yeah, it doesn't put anything negative out there.

[348] Right.

[349] Right.

[350] And, you know, Carl Sagan coined the term wonder junkie, and I think that's like an awesome one to describe, like, you know, a love of knowledge, a lust for ideas, you know, ideas, recognizing the erotic power of ideas and to think that ideas are not these abstract things, but they're actually a thing that can change the world, right?

[351] Yeah, as we've talked about.

[352] And it seems like every day.

[353] And you're putting out so many ideas.

[354] Well, my ideas are just, it's weeds ideas.

[355] It's not even mine.

[356] I'm just barring them.

[357] I'm pulling them out of the sky.

[358] It comes through you, but not from you.

[359] I know it is with you, it belongs not to you.

[360] I'm an antenna for the mighty Shiva.

[361] Well, Timothy Leary said the brain is a transceiver, but you know what's brilliant about what you just said is because you are creating a podcast now where you are putting out a variety of interesting ideas that reach all sorts of different people and inspires all these people.

[362] So you become a node because you reach millions of minds.

[363] You infect those minds with new ideas.

[364] Your ideas have virality, spreading power, infectivity.

[365] So think about yourself as participating in the evolutionary process.

[366] Spreading your seed, as it were.

[367] Like that, I should have not been so mean to AT &T.

[368] I'm sorry.

[369] I don't know how hard it is to run a network.

[370] You guys were the first to have the iPhone.

[371] I appreciate you for that.

[372] I've been a loyal customer for years.

[373] It's not that bad.

[374] I was just making comedy.

[375] I'm sorry.

[376] I do have a little AT &T guilt when you think about it that way.

[377] Put out some negative energy.

[378] I do like the fact, the reason I have the AT &T phone so I can use the email and the internet.

[379] You use it more than you would think, too.

[380] I do.

[381] I use that a lot.

[382] That's a feature.

[383] I didn't think I would use, but I do.

[384] I'm sorry, AT &T.

[385] I was just fucking with you.

[386] You know, it's very, It's interesting that you mention marijuana as something that helps you get ideas.

[387] Are you a cop?

[388] No, we're talking just about stuff that's been published.

[389] You know, I think, yeah, well, I think anybody smokes marijuana, eats marijuana, especially eats it.

[390] Anyone is going to tell you there's an enhancement there, you know, there's the idea of whether or not it's a performance -enhancing drug.

[391] I say it is.

[392] I say it is.

[393] You know, I don't think you should be able to fight high.

[394] I think if a guy got in the UFC high he might have an advantage for real I'm not kidding a cognitive advantage the real problem with it is that you could have gotten high a week ago and there's no way you're completely stone cold sober but when you take a drug test the drug test will show that you test positive from marijuana so you're not under its positive effects whatsoever it's just the fact that it stays in your fatty cells but it's continued it's continued illegality is a testament to sort of an intellectual stagnation in our society I mean, even back in the day, Abraham Lincoln.

[395] Abraham Lincoln used to say prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason because it makes out a crime of things that are not crime by legislating a man's appetite.

[396] You can't tell somebody what they can do in the privacy of their own home if they're not hurting anybody else.

[397] Particularly when so many artists are talking about how it has helped them in so many ways.

[398] Norman Mailer used to say it was divine for associations.

[399] Carl Sagan, okay?

[400] My freaking hero used to rave about marijuana.

[401] You should never say freaking when Carl Sagan.

[402] He's so legit.

[403] You've got to say fucking.

[404] Oh, we can be fucking hero.

[405] He is my fucking hero.

[406] Sagan used to enjoy cannabis, you know, and there was an actual article recently in a psychiatry journal that they looked at marijuana and creativity by studying semantic priming.

[407] And semantic priming means if you activate a word, it's immediate associations that get triggered in your head.

[408] So if I say bird, you think of wing, you think of flight.

[409] Those are normal associations.

[410] And it turns out that people that claimed that marijuana made them more creative, it turns out that it induced semantic, I'm sorry, it induced a hyper -priming effect in them.

[411] So what that means is they cast a wider associative net.

[412] So when you said bird, they didn't just think of wings and flight.

[413] They thought of transcending one's limitations, going beyond one's limit, soaring above it all.

[414] They just cast wider ways of connecting the ideas to other ideas.

[415] And isn't that what creativity is all about?

[416] So for the first time we were able to physiologically quantify the claims made by so many artists.

[417] And for society to still restrict that, I think, is just, it goes beyond the bounds of reason.

[418] It's not reasonable.

[419] I know so many people that benefit from it.

[420] and yet it's still illegal.

[421] It's completely logical.

[422] It's just clear evidence that someone is suppressing human behavior.

[423] Someone is trying to move forward this same exact culture that they're enjoying right now.

[424] They don't, it's a psychoactive capability thing as much as it is a thing about it as a commodity.

[425] You know, that's one of the things that people don't understand.

[426] Marijuana is illegal because of its status as a commodity as much as it is because of its psychoactive effects.

[427] There's a lot of pharmaceutical companies that do not want it to be legal because it would be a natural commodity that would cure a lot of ailments that there are prescription drugs that are available for that people have patents on and they stand to lose millions and millions of dollars and that's where all their lobbying power, their financial influence, that's where all that stuff comes into play and that's why it's illegal.

[428] It's completely preposterous.

[429] That's very embarrassing.

[430] That's the problem.

[431] It is embarrassing.

[432] I mean, it's very unfortunate, but I also think that advocacy, you know, people have never had more power to create grassroots movements.

[433] I mean, the same fuel that is fueling, you know, the Arab Spring.

[434] I think people can ban together and demand change.

[435] I mean, the same way we took down SOPA, right?

[436] I mean, people can get together and create this advocacy and have ultimately the same lobbying power as these corporations.

[437] I mean, that's something that the Internet is allowing for.

[438] I think it's certainly moving in that direction, right?

[439] I hope so.

[440] It feels like it.

[441] It feels like people are actually paying.

[442] attention to what people like the SOPA thing people are actually paying attention to the reaction that people are having on the internet and they're going okay let's let's step back here yeah and let's reassess this you know and I think ultimately it has to be the way that people decide on things yeah we can't go through all these well the hive mind is deciding yeah yeah it is the hive mind I mean people are people are gonna hack it how many really how much is really you don't think they're going to be able to fix the hacks and come on man there's always going to be a game like that but well it's still better it'll be self -correcting But that doesn't mean that you'd leave it in the hands of these crazy fucking die -bole people or any of these, you know, you've seen those documentaries on how they were able to fix voting machines.

[443] Are you able to change the results of them?

[444] Well, there's been a lot of controversy.

[445] I grew up in Venezuela where, you know, we have a president that keeps supposedly getting reelected as he, as he, you know, imprisons his political opponents and appropriates, takes over private property, and rumor has it, has been rigging the voting machines.

[446] So, you know, it's a problem.

[447] I know that story, that rumor all too well.

[448] You know, I don't know who used it.

[449] I don't know if it was used, but they do absolutely know for a fact that it's possible to change the votes.

[450] It's possible to change the number.

[451] Scary.

[452] Those machines allowed a third -party input.

[453] It's so crazy.

[454] So it's just amazing.

[455] So they probably sold these crazy dudes that are running these fucking donkey countries, man. You know, these strange countries in Afghanistan.

[456] You know, I mean, look.

[457] Like, those, like, warlord -type dudes that are living those places.

[458] You know what someone told me?

[459] The best way they get information from those guys is they give them Viagra.

[460] Like in Afghanistan?

[461] They give the dudes Viagra.

[462] Wow.

[463] And then they give up information on the Taliban, like that.

[464] We're so silly.

[465] Wow.

[466] At the end, at the end of all of our technology.

[467] Just a Viagra, quick fix.

[468] Viagra for crazy warlord -type dudes.

[469] Live it in the mountains.

[470] Wow.

[471] It's crazy.

[472] It's ridiculous.

[473] Where do you think we're going to be in 100 years, man?

[474] Are we going to be living in some sort of a...

[475] Saturating universe with intelligence?

[476] Oh, virtual reality, I think, is definitely coming.

[477] I think once we hack the nervous system, we won't have to interface with cyberspace through these square little devices.

[478] You know, it'll be like neuromancer.

[479] You know, William Gibson says that cyberspace tapped into our sort of instinct that this information world, the information is spatial and we want to cruise these digital realms and we want to be in it's like the matrix except not a dystopia why does the matrix have to be a cautionary tale right i like the idea of going into my own private universe or like the lucid dream and vanilla sky where the universe is sculpted based on my preferences and moods and i render things into existence at a faster faster rate i mean we already are living in a world that's shaped by the mind it's just that the buffer time is shrinking as the tools get more powerful eventually the speed of thought will render things into existence at that sort of light speed that's where we're headed Jesus Christ how far away is that how far away is the speed of thought making material things well out of the ether once we could once that's like a psychedelic trip it is like a psychedelic trip that is a psychedelic offers a glimpse of the world that's created by mind we already live in the in a world made of language I mean everything we inhabit is it is objectification of the imagination as Terence McKenna says.

[480] Terence McKenna, you know, people say, oh, he was just about advocating psychedelics.

[481] He was about much more than that.

[482] Terrence McKenna was a futurist, a poet, and a technologist in many ways who understood the transformative power of, you know.

[483] Even if he wasn't, it was cool to just listen to him talk.

[484] He's genius.

[485] The dude had such a crazy way of phrasing things and putting things together.

[486] You know, he's a really interesting dude.

[487] Insane.

[488] You know, the first time I ever did DMT, I actually heard him talk in my DMT trip.

[489] It was the strangest.

[490] fucking thing ever wow it was so strange because i don't know if you ever done anything uh you ever done anything like that dmt no i can't say that i have although i've read a lot about it um very curious just haven't found the set and setting in time mckenna always used to talk about heavy psychedelic trips one of the things he said is do not give into astonishment that there's a voice inside the dmt trip that tells you do not give in to astonishment and that's the first time i did it i blasted through and you could literally hear it but you don't hear it you don't hear it but it's saying do not give in to astonishment I was like wow this is the craziest shit ever yeah yeah yeah well the bit that's uh I just I it's like yeah I love the word astonishment because it's like what I mean it's like what he's teasing at is is is this idea of astonishment wonder awe like rapturous awe to be pulled from context to you Tom Robbins Tom Robbins the writer he he's a comedian as well maybe or something but he wrote about this guy Tom Robbins was writing about psychedelics and he said the plant genies as is to say marijuana or other psychedelics the plant genies do not necessarily manufacture imagination or wonderment it's not that they make you more imaginative but what they do or what they can do is pull us out of context so dramatically that we end up gawking in amazement that the ubiquitous everyday wonders were culturally conditioned to ignore but you don't need drugs to be pulled from context that's just one way that some people do it you can do it by traveling You can do it falling in love.

[491] You can do it by having the rug pull it from underneath your feet.

[492] Illumination.

[493] Just be inspired.

[494] But then we have this other thing called hedonic adaptation, which is what trumps, everything that's always around becomes invisible.

[495] And that's why we always need novelty because we don't appreciate what we have because we get used to it because the brain gets used to it.

[496] That's a terrible disease.

[497] Heedonic adaptation is the first cure with like bioengineering that we need to fix.

[498] Yeah, we need to fix that.

[499] So that we can be perpetually open and in awe.

[500] You know what I'm saying?

[501] But really it's about finding ways to, to remove yourself from context, different perspectives, new thoughts, new spaces, new, new ideas, right?

[502] There's the hunger for it, the constant hunger for it.

[503] I have it because otherwise I go into the darkness.

[504] Like, if I'm not in awe, I start thinking about human beings, we're the only species that's aware of our mortality.

[505] And this causes cognitive stress.

[506] What do we do with the fact that no matter how much we create, how many people we fall in love with, we're all just food for worms in the end?

[507] So you're essentially like an awesome collector of ideas.

[508] Kind of.

[509] A friend of mine called it digital DJing.

[510] You have a lot of great of ideas of your own, but you have an awesome collection of these ideas.

[511] And it's, you know, do you feel like that's your calling to get that out there?

[512] You obviously have a very unique and, you know, and well -studied perspective.

[513] When you're talking about all these things, and you're obviously very passionate about it.

[514] Like, what are you trying to do?

[515] You're trying to, like, get other people hip to this?

[516] Yeah, well, agree.

[517] Get everybody to strap in and prepare yourself.

[518] Yeah.

[519] Come along for the ride?

[520] Yeah.

[521] Well, yeah, wow.

[522] Because when you start saying shit like this, you know, a lot of the things you've said in these videos, you know, you're putting these little seeds in the heads of people all over the world that may not necessarily have ever thought that idea before.

[523] That's a powerful thing, man. Yeah.

[524] Well, one of my heroes is Timothy Leary and I also really love Bucky Fuller.

[525] And they used to call themselves performing philosophers, you know, taking intergalactic sized ideas and using the power of media communications to spread those ideas.

[526] People like Marshall McLuhan did it as well.

[527] Yeah, McKenna did it as well.

[528] McCannid did it as well.

[529] Performing philosophers.

[530] Leary said in the information age, you don't teach philosophy, you perform it.

[531] If Aristotle were alive today, he'd have a talk show or a YouTube channel or a podcast like the Joe Rogan podcast.

[532] I mean, you in a way are the modern day Aristotle, spitting forth ideas, inspiring people.

[533] But I'm saying proof of concept.

[534] I used to make people eat animal dicks on TV and I'm sponsored by a fake vagina.

[535] Well, no, but I'm saying, proof of concept.

[536] I'm basically saying that, you know, we used to talk about ideas in these forums, these Greek philosophers and Roman philosophers would talk about ideas and people would just ruminate about ideas and that's I mean that's you're providing a space for that yeah that's kind of cool and I'm trying to do that too in the short videos that I launched you know we call them shots of philosophical espresso yeah they're brilliant I love them then you you put a bunch of them on Vimeo and it's just they're they're so stunning and they're the visuals are so in tune with what you're saying they're really good how what's the best way for people to find these what is the oh yeah Jason Silva Vimeo actually yeah If they just Google Jason Silva, Vimeo, my Vimeo page has all of the videos, which is fantastic.

[537] And they can also add...

[538] How many do you have?

[539] Oh, I think I have like 28 videos in there.

[540] And I've all different.

[541] I have the shots of Philosophical Expresso.

[542] Then I have a series called The Human Condition where I look at like...

[543] Oh, are we watching one?

[544] Okay.

[545] Dude, just take a bong hit and watch his shit, all right?

[546] That's what I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen.

[547] That's what you need to do.

[548] This is...

[549] Oh, there you are.

[550] There you are.

[551] You do it from the beginning so people can hear this, because this is such a trip.

[552] This is...

[553] You can't...

[554] We can't start this while we're...

[555] Here we go.

[556] Nice.

[557] Two, one.

[558] I'm very much an optimist.

[559] I'm reminded of Rich Doyle's line from Darwin's pharmacy.

[560] He says, dreams do not lack reality.

[561] They are real patterns of information.

[562] When the imaginary foundation says that the role of human imaginations to conceive of all these delightful futures, choose the most amazing, exciting, and ecstatic possibility, and then pull the present forward to meet it.

[563] That is what we do.

[564] We would bring our imaginings into existence, but I think that as technology has advanced, we have found ways to outsource our mental capacities to our tools so much more.

[565] Our ability to manipulate the physical world has increased in an exponential fashion.

[566] So we've been able to shrink the lag time between our imaginings and their instantiation in the real world.

[567] David Deutsch speaks in his new book, The Beginning of Infinity.

[568] He says, if you look at the topography of the island of Manhattan today, that topography is a topography in which the forces of economics and culture and human intent have trumped the forces of geology.

[569] I mean, the topography of Manhattan today is no longer shaped by mere geology.

[570] It's shaped by the human mind and by economics and by culture.

[571] So what David Doidge extrapolates is that ultimately that would be the fate of the whole.

[572] universe.

[573] He says gravitation and antimatter might only shape the universe at its earliest and least interesting stages, but eventually the whole entire thing will be subject to the intent of substrate, independent, infinitely more powerful minds.

[574] And to conceive of that, just it makes me feel ecstatic.

[575] Dude, shh, are you fucking kidding me, man?

[576] Are you fucking kidding me?

[577] That might be one of the best two -minute videos on the web how many minutes is that i think less than two minutes whatever that is that might be one of the best videos on the web that is a bong hit wonder well you know it's i used to awesome the word that i always love to use is epiphonize i want to epiphonize people to give them a download to give them a micro psychedelic trip but one that is scripted see you don't want to be tripping in a scrambled with space with no context you want a scripted transcendent experience and i I think with these videos, what I was trying to do is take inspiration, take an epiphany, which is usually a lonely experience that happens in one's head.

[578] And what is the goal of every artist but to try to communicate his ecstatic vision through paint, through instrument, through voice.

[579] What I'm trying to do is reverse engineer inspiration, turn it into a visual form, and transmute that, putting you in my head during these glimpses of nirvana that I'm literally having.

[580] I'm getting you off on awe because that's how I get off.

[581] right on my own on the awe that i have when i watch when i make the videos well and you enhanced it all with these amazing videos yeah the videos and images behind it were awesome was a really perfectly edited it was very compelling yeah i worked with the magnificent editor her name's maria she's from an entity called not this body and uh it was wonderful collaboration such a fucking cool thing about the internet man you could just do something like that boom throw it up there pow people download it instant totally and it's non -commercial to the people no commercials no PSAs for inspiration.

[582] It's amazing.

[583] Yeah, totally.

[584] Yeah, and think about all the positive that that does.

[585] That's the real ripple effect, man. That's an amazing ripple effect.

[586] Absolutely.

[587] I mean, that's the big getoff for it.

[588] It's that people enjoy it.

[589] That's when you really realize at some point in time, there's some bizarre connection between all the human beings on this planet, all of us together.

[590] There's some weird sort of electrical, you know, some connection that we all share.

[591] And if you disturb it, if you put shit, stuff out there you're gonna feel it back you really are yeah but when once we understand that we control our environments totally we all just be really fucking cool to each other we can like amass a whole hive of people who get that concept dude rich Doyle wrote a book called Darwin's Pharmacy it's about sex plants and the evolution of the Neuosphere and he says that one of the things that psychedelics do for some people is they make us aware of the feedback loops between our creative and linguistic choices and our consciousness in In other words, we become aware of the power of the things that we do and the things that we surround ourselves with and the power that those things have to literally shape our experience of reality.

[592] Like the world is seen different when it's set to music or when it's set to a certain kind of lighting or when you surround yourselves by certain kind of people.

[593] I mean, people think that inspiration or living an inspired life is this half -hazard thing.

[594] You can't plan for a transcendent moment.

[595] It's not true.

[596] You can curate your spaces the same way you curate your Facebook wall or the people you follow on Twitter.

[597] Twitter, to set the emergent conditions for serendipity, to constantly be in a state where like, wow, I'm just meeting so many interesting people.

[598] Well, because I've made the choice to surround myself in vortexes of interesting people.

[599] One of the ideas that McKenna had when it came to psychedelics, especially to mushrooms, was that what you're experiencing, and one of the reasons why it's so consciousness expanding, is that what you're experiencing when you take it in the mushroom is the accumulation, not just a psychedelic experience, but the accumulation of the psychedelic experience.

[600] of all the human beings before you that have taken it and that's one of the ideas why there's so much wisdom in a psychedelic experience that's like one of the the humility answer so much humility in the psychedelic experience and also so much of a perspective enhancer that you're you know you're getting you're taking in this connection which is why you know I think you can pull information out of it or hear people talking sure you know it's one of the weird things about the psychedelic experience when it gives you information when it talked when you someone it's actually communicating with you well one of my favorites is uh joseph campbell you know who's one of my heroes oh yeah love about the hero's journey which is the ultimate archetype of human illumination he's done a lot of lectures about the psychedelic experience as very very literally an experience of the hero's journey i mean consider consider the steps you know because the hero's journey obviously can be a geographical journey right like go into the unknown you know step away from the ordinary transcend obstacles have an apotheosis and a rebirth and a realization about life and then come back and make the return with that illumination.

[601] But see, isn't that what happens anytime somebody partakes in a psychological trip?

[602] Well, what I was going to say is I think that's what happens when I watch your video.

[603] When I watch your video, I believe that's a psychedelic experience.

[604] It is.

[605] It manifests the mind.

[606] Yeah, it's information coming through stunning visuals.

[607] And it's very, it's imprinted.

[608] Totally.

[609] You know, you get the impact of it.

[610] Totally, totally.

[611] That's really what it's, that's really what the pull of it all is, isn't it?

[612] I mean, what you're, what you did and you accomplished in that, that sort of is what the pull of all this stuff is, right?

[613] To get something that's really, really inspires.

[614] To perform an inception.

[615] Yeah, to just boom.

[616] Yeah.

[617] Just give them an explosion of new idea.

[618] And you, when you, when you hit people with that, when that goes out there and blows up on them, you're literally like pushing them off one path, even if it's just for a few minutes until their bullshit kicks in, their fucking, you know, husband calls them and, you know, the kids are screaming.

[619] You know, but for at least a couple of minutes, man, you're pushing them.

[620] You're pushing them in the right way.

[621] Wow, it's amazing to hear you say that.

[622] And there's, one of my favorite films is Inception, which was absolutely magnificent.

[623] I didn't really like that movie.

[624] Well, you should read that.

[625] I loved it.

[626] I liked it a little.

[627] No, no, no, no. But there was some parts where I was like, wait a minute, this is like a video game.

[628] You need to see.

[629] He's running around shooting people.

[630] This is silly.

[631] No, no, no. He's on slow mode.

[632] He's on like Child's mode.

[633] It's not even a real, you know what I'm saying?

[634] It was like an old movie.

[635] Just check out the book, The Inception and Philosophy.

[636] But because it talks about there's some layers in that film.

[637] But one of the ideas is that the entire film is actually a metaphor.

[638] for filmmaking because think about what filmmaking is you create a dream you bring the audience into that dream and hopefully they fill it with their subconscious which is what we do every time we watch a film we relate to the characters based on a set of experiences that we have had in the moods that we're already in when we go into the theater and if the film is successful it performs it performs an inception and it gives us catharsis literally the film breaks through the screen and becomes real in the watcher and isn't that what happens when you have a psychedelic experience and it transforms you or when you have a geographical you take a trip somewhere and it transforms you or you know when you actually take uh or when you watch a movie and it transforms you the point or you have a dream and the dream gives you illumination and it transforms the point of it if you have catharsis in a dream or in a film or in a psychedelic trip or in the euclidean meat space it's all real it doesn't matter how you get it that's why William Gibson says that the so -called distinction between the real and virtual world is what we're going to laugh at in the future because there is no distinction when when you watch a movie and you're immersed in the film and you're crying from the film it happens to you it becomes real so too when you somebody might you know be on a psychedelic and have a transcendent vision and people say, oh, that's just because he was on the drug.

[639] No, the vision was real while he had it.

[640] Dreams are real while you're in them.

[641] And if the vision can translate, you know, when it wears off, when you leave the movie theater, then you know that you've found something valuable, genuine illumination.

[642] That's a fascinating idea, right?

[643] It is a fascinating idea, and the idea that it's somehow another going to be 3D, it's going to be all around us eventually.

[644] Cinema.

[645] Films and stuff.

[646] We're going to watch movies take place like all around us.

[647] You'll be in a world, a virtual world.

[648] Imagine being inside zookeeper, Joe.

[649] Jesus Christ, that's incredible, Brian.

[650] But it's kind of amazing.

[651] I mean, we're the naked ape.

[652] You know, Terrence McKenna says that we ate psychedelics when we left the savannas.

[653] What do you think about that?

[654] When we left the jungles of Africa and went into the savannas, our diets changed.

[655] We picked the magic mushrooms from the cow dung.

[656] We started tripping.

[657] He says it might have been a catalyst for language.

[658] And you know why I think it's very compelling idea because we don't exactly know how language emerged.

[659] But he points to the fact that some psychedelics have a synesthetic effect.

[660] And synesthetic means that it blurs the different senses.

[661] So you see sounds or you hear sights.

[662] And if you think about it, language is synesthetic.

[663] I use vocal patterns to transmit images to your brain wirelessly.

[664] Language was the first information technology that allowed me to transmit information through time and space outside of just DNA having sex with other DNA.

[665] And so the synesthetic power of information technology might have been triggered by the synesthetic.

[666] effect of the magic mushroom that's the stoned ape hypothesis and I think it's a brilliant theory for sure like that's a really interesting way of putting it that I haven't heard said that way that it connects making noises with the images that's synesthetic yeah it's language is then people don't realize this you know language is synesthetic that's amazing and that's why chimps haven't figured that shit out yet and then the naked ape what if we just start giving chimps mushrooms maybe we should do that maybe we should do that man I mean, we should have some just gigantic...

[667] You want everything in the world to be on shrimps now.

[668] Compound where we feed shrimp.

[669] But just to see what's up.

[670] Feed shrooms to chimps.

[671] That would be the most badass scientific experiment of all time.

[672] And just a total planet of the apes type movie.

[673] Do you think?

[674] Could you imagine it if you did it for like three generations?

[675] And then they started becoming people.

[676] And they're like, stop.

[677] Stop the experiment.

[678] Well, there's some great cartoons that I've seen on the internet, like illustrations showing this to an ape hypothesis.

[679] And you see, like, a bunch of monkeys, like, walking around, you know, whatever.

[680] And then they, like, eat the mushroom.

[681] And then they're, like, in their heads, they start seeing, like, rockets flying to the moon and satellites, and cell phones.

[682] And cities, buildings erected from the ground.

[683] I mean, think of how psychedelic that sounds to, you know, to early man. Right.

[684] Like a city, New York, a jet engine next to, like, a caveman.

[685] Right.

[686] How do you make the leap from that to that?

[687] Well, you would think that that leap might be more easy if the ape is tripping, right?

[688] Yeah.

[689] We should totally see how that works.

[690] If they're willing to put monkeys and cages and try mascara out on them shit.

[691] I'm sure they probably have.

[692] But you think they've been giving chips?

[693] There's definitely scientists in some lab that are fucking giving mushrooms too.

[694] But I don't know if you can advocate that because if the chimp can't give you his permission.

[695] So what if he has a bad...

[696] That's true.

[697] So you leave the mushrooms.

[698] If what happens happens, hey, what the fuck?

[699] I just think it would be a fascinating thing to watch.

[700] Could you imagine if they did it for like six, seven generations and a chip started losing hair, standing up straight?

[701] Start slowly turning into people And it became all this political pressure When they started looking like people Closed one to a person yet And you see this chimp going Get me the fuck out of here They start talking Well Hollywood prepares us They make a lot of cautionary tales about that Cyborgs or you know It would be amazing though if it was just mushrooms They probably would just go from like throwing poop To wiping their poop all over their own body You guys have probably seen You guys have probably seen 2001 a space odyssey You might think that maybe the monolith when it first appears when the monkeys finally learn how to use tools.

[702] The monolith is just kind of a placeholder.

[703] It's this weird shaped figure.

[704] Maybe it's a placeholder on purpose because it's a metaphor for the mystery.

[705] What happened when we went from like just being apes to apes that used tools?

[706] Well maybe that's metaphor.

[707] Maybe that's the mushroom.

[708] The monolith is the magic mushroom that catalyze the use of tool.

[709] And at the moment that the ape picked up like a branch on the floor to use it to reach a fruit on a really high tree, he became one with his tools.

[710] We used our tools to extend the boundaries of who and what we are.

[711] And then we went to the moon, and then who knows what's next.

[712] Well, Kurtzweil was a genius.

[713] He is a genius.

[714] Like, putting, like, meaning into scenes and having scenes represent things that are actually taking place in the real world.

[715] There's some crazy guy named Jay Weidner, I think his name is, who actually sat down and documented all the connections to the moon landings and all sorts of different things.

[716] inside the work of Kubrick's The Shining, like to the little boy wearing an Apollo rocket sweater to the room number being like some number that has something to do with the launch time and it was a really amazing thing.

[717] He constructs a world or he did rather he's gone but he constructed a world that was not just like the surface but there was hidden meaning to all these different things that were going on.

[718] Brilliant, right?

[719] He was a, he was way, way, way ahead of his time.

[720] He was just out there, man. That guy had some fucking wild -ass movies.

[721] A clockwork orange?

[722] Are you kidding me?

[723] I remember watching that movie going God damn, this guy's going deep.

[724] Yeah, well, can you...

[725] That's why filmmaking, I think, is the most transcendent art form of our times, because we're literally able to create virtual world that can transform our consciousness.

[726] Reprogram our brain.

[727] I mean, I think cinema, I think a gifted director is like the closest thing we have to a deity in the secular world.

[728] I mean, what they create, what bursts forth in the cinema, when your brain is tweaked to the film in the right way, is to me, the modern version of a religious experience, right?

[729] Yeah, what's home boy, the dude who did alien?

[730] What's that guy's name?

[731] Ridley Scott?

[732] Redley Scott, thank you.

[733] He's doing the new one.

[734] Prometheus.

[735] Oh, my God.

[736] It looks sick.

[737] When you hear that Ridley Scott is doing another alien movie.

[738] you go god damn this is going to be a wild two hours of my life I'm going to sit down and I'm going to watch some crazy shit for two hours hopefully he doesn't George Lucas in it no he won't he won't Ridley Scott is not going to do he's not going to do that he's not going to do that he wouldn't do that that's what we used to say about George Lucas and then he made Jar Jar Jar dude but he's listen no one but Ridley Scott was capable of that first one that first alien was a motherfucker fucker that was one of the greatest horror movies of all time man that thing was fucking terrifying a thing that jumps on your fucking face shoots a load down your throat a monster emerges out of your chest with an explosion and then just fucks up everything and no one can stop it which which aliens had the milky middle guy where he gets ripped in half and all the milk came out hmm you know what i'm talking about like he was like a robot and he he got split open and all this like like robot juice flew all right i think maybe it's aliens aliens oh no i don't know oh no i don't remember that man i remember there was um sigourney weaver had like a crazy space suit on that she put the fight off the aliens.

[739] Remember that?

[740] Yeah.

[741] Remember there was some like crazy robotic, you bitch, back off like she was going to fight this fucking super, you know, supersized beasts.

[742] Regular aliens were scary enough.

[743] This was the crazy queen one and she was kicking a queen's ass.

[744] Not as good as alien one.

[745] They went a little crazy.

[746] They got a little Hollywood.

[747] They tried outdo themselves.

[748] Much like the new fear factor.

[749] It's like if you went back to the premise of the first alien, the first alien, it was she was way scarier.

[750] That alien was fucking horrifying.

[751] You know, like you couldn't see it you didn't know where it was then it would just jump out of some jack people and the second aliens they're killing them left and right like running on the hallway the aliens are coming out and they're like they're stupid now and you could just shoot them you know before they would you know they would sneak up behind you and they were intelligent and they were well you want you want the film to always be high concept i mean if you want to throw some action in there to people entertain but you always want it to be like high concepts if you're into the ideas you can also like be entertained yeah that's why i like metaphysical science fiction you know the first one though was on on that level the first the first one was just absolutely brilliant it was one of the greatest horror movies of all time.

[752] There you go.

[753] You know, but the second one, you got crazy.

[754] It was good.

[755] And the third one, forget about it.

[756] No, I liked it.

[757] I'll watch all of them, dude.

[758] I even watch Aliens versus Predator.

[759] I'm a sucker.

[760] I'm stupid.

[761] I'm like a 14 -year -old boy of my tasted movies.

[762] But that was a terrifying movie.

[763] But you were right.

[764] That guy has created a world.

[765] He's like a god.

[766] A dire world, man. It's like a god of this many world.

[767] What comes next?

[768] What's going to be the next immersive transformative entertainment technology you know someone was talking about James Cameron they were talking about how demanding James Cameron was all James Cameron was like this fucking paints the wrong pain I want it this color and you know and everybody was like wow God he's so crazy so demanding I was like that's the only way you get to be a James Cameron you know what how the fuck do you make something like Titanic how do you make a movie that big you better be a bad motherfucker you better be running shit dude you can't you can't half ass and pussy foot that fucking movie you're gonna have a movie about a giant metal ship that crashes into the ocean and it's got to be a compelling movie as well look who wouldn't want to direct a film if you could because essentially you're god you control every variable that you want dude look at the titan no they didn't think a ship to make that movie that was all digital I mean that is they're going to make that in 3D they're releasing it that's incredible but the idea of that kind of technology to recreate reality that's when your idea of recreating a full reality doesn't seem so far off.

[769] Not at all.

[770] We already do it!

[771] It's what I'm talking about, we already do it, man. Get on a plane, reserve, with a wireless iPhone, make a reservation, a few days later, get on a craft that flies you around the world to a place where no one knows your name and you have no memories.

[772] Holy shit.

[773] Yeah, holy shit indeed.

[774] You know what's probably going to be, like, the next big jump is being able to go to a movie theater and control it.

[775] I think we've talked about it before, you know what I mean?

[776] Yes.

[777] I think so.

[778] Yeah, but what's crazy is that I think actors are on the way out I mean there's we can only hope there was a video that was posted on Vimeo the other day on Kataku and it just kind of shows you what the next level of like Xbox PlayStation what the CGI looks like for that it's it's very close to being look at this video real quick it's really close to being just scary sketchy I mean it's like look how you could see the pores you could see like it's got a zip from cut from our shaving Yeah, and it's incredible.

[779] So this is an example what the next Xbox type PlayStation console would be, and this is just fucking video games for your house.

[780] Dude, this doesn't even look real.

[781] Yeah, it looks like Toby McGuire or something like that.

[782] But like someone's bullshitting us.

[783] Like someone made a fake video to pretend.

[784] No, I think what it is, I think this is based on a new texture technology that's going to be used in like upcoming platforms for games.

[785] So they need to make the supermodel version of that.

[786] Okay, now that.

[787] looks a little wonky just a touch just a touch wonky it's his eyelashes or lack thereof but what's cool is that this is just one artist using the technology imagine when we start having like like you know that really good artists there's there's painters that can paint a face that looks like a photograph right this is incredible yeah if you what I was saying was that if you made this like with a video camera with your friends and pretended this is the new technology it would look similar to this yeah just have a little shake cam to it I would totally look around yeah if you like said you captured the the newest technology.

[788] This is what the government is doing now.

[789] They're creating fake news.

[790] Yeah, yeah.

[791] I think, yeah, the next paradigm will be a film experience that adjusts, choose your own adventure film experience, you know, based on your decisions.

[792] Like immersive virtual reality games, you know, like that movie Existends, actually.

[793] It had a very interesting, that at Cronenberg film.

[794] They could create a fake real, one transmitted fake reality and then a real one that you can hide behind.

[795] Yeah, and then go into it and have like a journey and have something that you have to do and have something you have to accomplish, you can be like the James Bond or the Indiana Jones and the narrative.

[796] Jesus, what if you die in there, though?

[797] Maybe you wake up.

[798] What does he get crushed?

[799] Like, you're just like...

[800] Yeah, what if there's like glitches every now and then you die for real?

[801] It'd be like dying in a dream.

[802] You want to play games, bitch.

[803] Want to be Indiana Jones, huh?

[804] Do you think dying in the dream, like that we're not thinking that that can't be good for you, right?

[805] You're not supposed to die in dreams.

[806] Every time you get, you die in your dream, it's like getting hit in the head really hard, like a part of your brain, things are dead still or something.

[807] I definitely don't like.

[808] dying in my dreams.

[809] It's very weird and I'm always so relieved when I wake up.

[810] I'm like thank you.

[811] Isn't it funny that a lot of people hate life like God, I'm so miserable but yet they're happy when they don't die in their dreams.

[812] You're not in your dreams going God you fucking pussy.

[813] Take me!

[814] You know, it's interesting you talk about like not appreciating life or hating life.

[815] There's a great documentary.

[816] It's called Flight from Death The Quest for Immortality and it says that basically it cites the work of earnest Becker who was a if you saw Annie Hall it's the book that Woody Allen gives Annie Hall in the bookstore about the human condition it's called the denial of death and that's a 1974 Pulitzer Prize winning book and it says basically that we're essentially gods with anuses with our minds we can ponder the infinite we're seemingly capable of anything yet we're housed in a heart -pumping breath gasping decaying body so we are godly yet creaturely we can write poetry and build skyscrapers, but ultimately we're food for the worms.

[817] And that is the problem of the human condition.

[818] Ultimately, the source probably of the impetus to be so creative to transcend this condition symbolically and artistically.

[819] But he says even romantic love in a way is a way of dealing with the human condition.

[820] You turn your lover into a deity.

[821] She becomes your salvation.

[822] That's why all the pop song says, she's like the wind, she's like the sun.

[823] She provides salvation that God no longer provides in a secular society, right?

[824] Because we have we have grown too sophisticated for religion, but we still need to work on our existential problems.

[825] So then we do it with our lovers, or we do it through creative acts.

[826] And ultimately, you know, using science or technology to transcend the human condition might be the ultimate solution to the Becker dilemma.

[827] That's why I'm totally pro a Manhattan Project to transcend death, like all about it.

[828] Yeah.

[829] Do you find that when you do the calculations as far as, like, you know, human population, the growth of technology.

[830] Do you find a point where, I mean, are you seeing where this is going to, like, wind up?

[831] Well, technology is a resource liberating mechanism.

[832] And people talk about scarcity, you know, but scarcity is contextual.

[833] Something is only scarce until you figure out the technology that makes it into something abundant.

[834] This is what Peter Diamandis' new book talks about.

[835] So, for example.

[836] Where are dependence on fossil fuels, we think that this is the only way to fuel things.

[837] Well, once we transcend that technology, we saw, I mean, we get 10 times more power every day from the sun, you know, that we could ever use, right?

[838] And we just have to figure out a way to capture that energy.

[839] And people talk about overpopulation, but the reality is you could fit the entire world's population in the state of Texas.

[840] There's still be plenty of space.

[841] Really?

[842] Yeah.

[843] The whole world?

[844] Oh, yeah.

[845] The problem is resources.

[846] Seven billion people in Texas, Brian?

[847] Can you imagine what the airport would look like?

[848] Well, what happened, it's an issue of resources, right?

[849] But if you have, like, nanotechnology or in vitro meat, tissue engineering, growing all the meat you could ever, even PETA supports in vitro meat.

[850] You could take the stem cells, stem cells from an animal.

[851] bit of brain stem cells from animal meat sounds like it could be good stem cells from a cow and grow all the meat you could ever need with no nervous system so no animal is suffering never kill another cow you better keep this formula away from the fleshlight people I'm I'm interested in that that's interesting so people talk about you know and or or have you heard of aeroponics growing fruits and vegetables in mist and these vertical farming towers with a special mist and you have you don't have to worry about like you know the poison and all the spraying and damaging the farming, the land.

[852] So the mist contains minerals and water?

[853] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[854] It's like hydroponics, but in mist, grown in mist.

[855] Holy shit.

[856] Right, and people don't know about this stuff, but it's like absolutely insane.

[857] That's incredible.

[858] That's a beautiful idea.

[859] That's what I'm saying.

[860] Wow, growing vegetables in mist.

[861] And vertical towers, you know, where you could just like grow all the vegetables we could ever need and genetically engineered to have better, like, vitamins, you know?

[862] Yeah, but you can't let Montanto do that.

[863] Well, it's not going to be Montanto.

[864] Just like, just like computers used to be these big central grids and now everybody has an iPhone or just like you know GPS used to be this big government thing and now everybody has GPS on the phone these things will trickle down and empower individuals biotechnology is not going to be Monsanto biotechnology is going to be to the domestication of biotechnology it's going to be personalized medicine personalized software upgrade of your physiology it's not going to be these big government things you think they'll ever be like a place where you go and you can become a new person like you know I want to be a black chick just for like a year yeah yes got to your doctor to become your lover to have sex with your lover and become the black chick how about like having sex with your partner and like merging your nervous systems together i mean we've been trying to merge into one another if you do if you fuck on mushrooms you can make some shit happen fucking molly there you go that two song edible marijuana as well there's something about that makes it very sensuous interesting the connection the hive yeah that's when when we can all jump into the human pool right yeah the human pool of thoughts and ideas the human brain pool when all of us are there's no cubicles yeah do the cubicles drop and we're all in the same thing together yeah that's gonna be strange we'll become we'll become gods it seems like it's inevitable right oh absolutely it has to be we all this uh one of my favorite quotes by alan harrington who wrote he was part of the beat generation he's to hang out with all those guys he wrote a book called the immortalist said we must never forget that we are cosmic revolutionaries not stooges conscripted to advance a natural order that kills everyone So we, it's romantic and defiant to say we will not go quietly into that good night.

[865] Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[866] That's what we do.

[867] What was the first sentence?

[868] We must never forget we are cosmic revolutionaries.

[869] Did you imagine if you just walked around a t -shirt that said cosmic revolutionary?

[870] Hell yeah.

[871] People would be like, really, dude, what did you do today?

[872] You jerked off, you watched a Carl Sagan video on YouTube.

[873] Totally.

[874] We went to a comic book store.

[875] Well, Carl Sagan.

[876] Revolutionary.

[877] 100%.

[878] What a great fucking title.

[879] I think I'm going to have to change my message board handle To cosmic revolutionary I just think that's beautiful Yeah dude we are a way for the cosmos to know itself Sagan said it himself And also we are the frontal lobes of the universe Because so far we haven't found anything more complicated Than the brain There's very few things more dushy than calling yourself a revolutionary Fair enough Well but how about instead of calling Sounds like a Myspace page Exactly You know I got to drop the handle That's why you say we You say we can't call myself That'd be very hypocritical I've made fun of people for calling I'm like someone's going to call you that man even if it's tongue -in -cheek like with me it's you know cosmic revolutionaries yeah yeah yeah either then you got to let somebody else call you unless you have lightning bolts in the background maybe like if I got a tattoo that says cosmic revolutionary in lightning bolts we we but the thing is I think humanity is we are cosmic revolutionaries and I also think we're nature's secret weapon right actually the other one of the other videos I did is well or something it's called to understand is to perceive patterns and One of the things that it looks at is the recurring patterns that occur at different scales of reality from man -made systems to natural systems and back again.

[880] It's like these natural patterns that persist in nature and are now popping up in these big data visualizations of man -made systems.

[881] You know, how cities are like capillaries, you know, alleys are like arteries, you know.

[882] Jeffrey West of the Santa Fe Institute talks about this stuff.

[883] And what it shows you is that, yes, we are free agents participating in this progression of technology, but it's also it's inevitable.

[884] It's self -organizing.

[885] Like we are just participating actively instead of passively in evolution You can we play that one?

[886] I would love for you sure how does he get to it?

[887] You think he has it, right?

[888] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[889] You got a cued up this one?

[890] It was the other one that we yeah, I think Yeah, this one look at the different the galaxies and the neuron and the mushroom mycelium in London from the sky and the internet visualized all sure the shane nuts Yeah, they all share the same filamental structure how strange is that?

[891] Do all your things?

[892] start with this.

[893] Yeah, because my friend, I am very good friends.

[894] To understand is to perceive patterns.

[895] Of course what this means is the true comprehension comes when the dots are revealed and you get Stephen Johnson's long view and you see the big picture.

[896] This is the idea about patterns, patterns, patterns, recurring patterns across different scales of reality.

[897] You know, Paul Stavitz talks about the mycelial archetype and how the information sharing systems that comprise the internet look exactly like computer models of dark matter in the universe.

[898] Look exactly like the neurons and the brain.

[899] They all share the same intertwinkle filamental structure.

[900] It's the rise of networkism as big data.

[901] Advocates talk about how manmade systems are looking exactly like natural systems.

[902] The more we can measure, the more we can visualize, the more we can visualize, the more expands our consciousness.

[903] By seeing these recurring patterns on our scales of reality, it blows my mind.

[904] And I think that technology increasingly is becoming an expander of human consciousness.

[905] It extends our thought, reached vision, and revealing so much more.

[906] It's like, whereas once I was blind, now I can see Jeffrey West from the Santa Fe Institute is telling us that cities are really like organisms, you know, alleys are like capillaries.

[907] How is it possible that a man -made artificial technological system is behaving like a natural system?

[908] The more efficient it becomes, the more it's starting to look like nature.

[909] Really interesting, weird stuff.

[910] You know, but it makes me optimistic.

[911] It's like when Steven Johnson says, look, if we can understand all this stuff, I mean, anything becomes possible, right?

[912] It's the adjacent possible standing as a sort of shadow future, a map of all the ways the present can reinvent itself.

[913] It's beautiful stuff Crazy That's another one That's another one that's pretty awesome It's a weird Weird thought that the human brain cell Looks like the universe Oh yeah Like the galaxy And like the neurons The internet The internet too It's terrifying Yeah well but it shows you That there's a reason These patterns persist Because they allow innovation to occur Yeah The city is the coral reef When I say terrifying I mean just when it's magnitude You know, it's all the idea that...

[914] Makes you feel mystical.

[915] The fact that neurons and all of it, it's just really hard to wrap your head around it.

[916] Exactly.

[917] It's all just one soup.

[918] But doesn't that awe relieve you of any boredom?

[919] Yeah, well, it definitely does.

[920] That's why I do it.

[921] I don't know how anybody could be bored with any of this stuff.

[922] It's mind -boggling.

[923] Some people, it's a little unsettling because they like to think that this is where I get my coffee in the morning.

[924] Me, Marge, how are you, Marge?

[925] Meanwhile, Marge is strapped to a fucking giant rock going a thousand miles and that.

[926] hour in a circle.

[927] Thank you.

[928] Right.

[929] Marge is hanging on in space.

[930] Right.

[931] I mean, the earth is not connected to anything.

[932] Right.

[933] It's floating out there.

[934] Floating and spinning like a motherfucker.

[935] Yeah.

[936] Spitting a thousand miles an hour around a giant nuclear explosion.

[937] That's right.

[938] A big constant nuclear explosion that will eventually die.

[939] Thank you.

[940] It's bizarre as fuck.

[941] Right.

[942] It's been so, well, you know, the, the, the, the Red Sox are doing well this year.

[943] Yeah, well, they'll find a way to fuck that up you know and then they they know how's the tomatoes and then you know they go back home and take a shit and that's it right and they just wait for the inedible yeah while we spin yeah yeah why do we like mundane things what is the well there's something there's something comfortable yeah in the prosaic because the world at large can be overwhelming to all of us I mean those videos are overwhelming a psychedelic trip is overwhelming I mean a big city can be overwhelming and I think that some people thrive in the spaces in which they're overwhelmed and some people prefer to cower away from it due to circumstances in their lives culture preconceptions choices that they make and ultimately I think that's I don't think we do well to judge anybody for how they choose to live I think that what you do is you try to do what you can to share many different ideas and many points of views and they'll find they'll find the astonishment that they like best and partake, hopefully, in that one.

[944] You know, McKenna talked about technology once.

[945] I'll never forget this thing that he said.

[946] He was talking about different areas in life where he said that a failed symbiote is what a parasite is, and that every parasite seeks to be a symbiotic organism and seeks because we're all symbiots.

[947] Because they want to keep eating.

[948] They don't want you to die because then they die.

[949] I mean, people have all sorts of funky living things inside their body.

[950] We're all symbiots.

[951] And, you know, when he talked about technology, one of the things that I thought always was that doesn't it seem like technology is some sort of a symbiote, some sort of like a living organism?

[952] It seems like I have, I always talk about how I have like the skeletons of the old shit laying around.

[953] I found an old phone the other day.

[954] It's an old fucking dead thing, you know, like it moved past this.

[955] This is a fucking mastodon I'm looking at.

[956] I mean, I'm looking at an old Mac.

[957] That's a dinosaur bone.

[958] You know, that's really what I mean.

[959] That's why we call it the human technology co -evolution.

[960] You know, I'm a fellow of an organization called Hybrid Realities Institute that says we are already cyborgs.

[961] And when it becomes, yeah.

[962] But do you believe in the Kurzweil idea that there will be some sort of a sentient, intelligent life form?

[963] It would become sentient and be able to move around and be able to think on its own.

[964] And that will be a new life.

[965] So it really is a new life.

[966] We're already a hybrid.

[967] Somebody puts on a pacemaker in their heart or they put in a chip in their brain to help them with their tremors from like, you know, one of these neurological.

[968] I saw yesterday there was this new pump that they put in a guy.

[969] He doesn't have a pulse.

[970] Dick Cheney doesn't have a pulse.

[971] That sits in the Bible, son.

[972] Think about it.

[973] We live inside of the constructs of our imagination.

[974] We live in the spaces.

[975] We use technology.

[976] We use electricity.

[977] To create fake hearts.

[978] The water that comes to our house through the pipes, you know, I mean, we're already, we're already in symbiosis.

[979] The difference is the symbiosis is becoming more and more smooth.

[980] You know, the best technology is technology that gets out of the way.

[981] Right.

[982] It just allows you to do the artful change that you want to make in the world.

[983] without having to fuck with it too much and that's what happens as these technologies get smoother in the way that they get enmeshed in our lives the sort of hybridization just gets richer and deeper but we're already it's already happening and it's perfectly natural so that's not a problem it's not something to be scared of at all it's something just to be like refined and and you know it's inevitable well we make choices right when we buy Apple products we're saying we like we want things to have a sense of aesthetic we wanted them to be beautiful we want our symbiosis is to be functionally rich but also aesthetically beautiful and that's important right there's a thought that's been going around a lot lately on the internet the internet is karma free iPhones you know I talked about it on this podcast and people are talking about it now the idea of making conflict mineral free products that's that's isn't possible that's absolutely going to be possible and with nanotechnology we can engineer our own materials from scratch because we're manipulating things at the level of the atom we can turn dog shit into pearls at that point damn it son they call it the diamond age that's where shit's kind of get really weird because everyone's going to have a 10 -foot dick made out of gold.

[984] Oh, yeah.

[985] Order an information file, print a toaster in your house.

[986] Oh, man, you're going to have no, what are you going to have to pay for electricity?

[987] Everything's going to be solar.

[988] No, everything's going to be abundant and infinite.

[989] How are we going to pay for things?

[990] Because the monetary system we use right now doesn't work.

[991] Post is a post scarcity age.

[992] You know, you don't pay for things.

[993] No paying for things?

[994] Abundance.

[995] Well, then how do you become a baller?

[996] You can't be a baller if, you know, you can't make it rain if everything's free.

[997] You can't ever cut the baller out of society because Because then you're going to cut a lot of the funny out.

[998] Why?

[999] Because people love their status.

[1000] You can't restrict with ridiculous behavior if you want to keep comedy.

[1001] Yeah, well, we can create virtual simulations that are indistinguishable from the real where you can be the baller in the virtual world.

[1002] They'll be racist.

[1003] They'll be racist.

[1004] You got to let ball.

[1005] Because you can't judge how many people become ballers.

[1006] There's a lot of white dudes go baller style, right?

[1007] A lot of white dudes get black eye tattoos.

[1008] You know what I'm saying?

[1009] Talk like a black guy.

[1010] You can't, you can't factor that in a computer simulation.

[1011] You got to let that happen.

[1012] You know what I'm saying?

[1013] Like, who's that white rapper dude that has all the platinum teeth?

[1014] Rapper dude.

[1015] He's, like, one of the most famous white rapper dudes.

[1016] He's legit.

[1017] He's, like, down with all the black guys.

[1018] Eminem?

[1019] No. That's the only one I know.

[1020] Damn it.

[1021] I can't remember the dude's name.

[1022] M .C. Chris.

[1023] My point's been shattered.

[1024] If I can't remember his name, my points been shattered.

[1025] My point is you couldn't be able to figure that guy out in computer simulation.

[1026] Got to let that guy happen in the real world.

[1027] Yeah, definitely.

[1028] So that would be the real problem.

[1029] you got if we restrict all we know people really do evolve we're gonna it's not it's not gonna be it's funny I'm sure my business is gonna be funny I'm what I am right now like it's like when William Randolph Hurst wanted to keep cannabis down yeah so because he has a commodity what's really why he made it illegal so he was an evil fuck and William Randolph Hurst was just a bad motherfucker that ran newspapers and he also had his own mills so he was gonna have to convert his mills over to hemp because hemp paper was It's like, you can get four times as much, you know, you add in an acre, and it replenishes itself every six months.

[1030] You know, it's not like you have to wait 20 years to the fucking trees to grow back.

[1031] It's just like, boom, it's there again.

[1032] You can redo it again.

[1033] Yeah.

[1034] And so as a commodity, this is going to cost him millions of dollars.

[1035] So what he decided to do is just write stories about weed and put it in his newspaper.

[1036] It's really an amazing thing that the guy pulled this off.

[1037] Is that where Reefer Madness?

[1038] Yeah, all that stuff.

[1039] All that stuff came from him.

[1040] Are you talking about Paul Waugh?

[1041] The rapper Paul Wall.

[1042] Yes, thank you, Veronica Ritchie.

[1043] Thank you, Veronica.

[1044] Thank you very much.

[1045] Thanks, she's on the ball, dude.

[1046] What a good girl you got.

[1047] Yeah, because that guy, you can't predict that guy on a computer simulation.

[1048] He's a great white rapper, and he's totally, like, down with black people.

[1049] He's got crazy platinum teeth, you know.

[1050] You got to let that guy take place.

[1051] Because otherwise, you're not going to have the R. Kellys of the world, right?

[1052] Yeah.

[1053] With evolution, R. Kelly will not be there.

[1054] And then, come on, man. Have you ever watched that R. Kelly Real Talk video?

[1055] Have you ever watched that?

[1056] No, I haven't.

[1057] You've never seen that.

[1058] No. You've never seen the most brilliant piece of human pop culture.

[1059] It is when you think that the world is evolving still?

[1060] We're going to show you something right now.

[1061] This might throw a monkey wrench and all your theories, sir.

[1062] Throw up some R. Kelly, real talk, Brian.

[1063] It's been so long.

[1064] Are we allowed to?

[1065] Let's find out.

[1066] Let's find out.

[1067] Let's find out what happens.

[1068] I'm feeling risky.

[1069] I haven't slept.

[1070] There's so many of them now.

[1071] I checked recently.

[1072] I checked recently.

[1073] There's like 50 of them.

[1074] Okay, R. Kelly is down with people listening to his shit online.

[1075] As am I. People are getting mad at me because of this whole thing where I said that on my website, I asked people to not put links to pirated shit.

[1076] I go, you know, just don't get me in trouble.

[1077] I'm not telling you what to do.

[1078] Just don't put that shit on my website, you know?

[1079] I think that's totally fair for you to say.

[1080] People act like you're telling, like you're fucking chuntering me, man. They get so crazy when it comes to this and their need to justify streaming things.

[1081] This shit, real talk on YouTube because I think it's a great song, you know what I'm saying?

[1082] There's a lot of profanity in it, but profanity represents just how real shit gets when you all.

[1083] with your girl and shit you know what I'm saying so I did it on YouTube but I'm gonna do this shit for y 'all on YouTube I don't want to evolve any more than this I want I want this guy to always exist so he's jumping off here so we're gonna be real man I'm just gonna be real we just gonna roll to film and we're gonna do it I'm doing this for the fans that I know around the globe they love real talk so wait this is R Kelly don't give me who is he how dare you sir watch the Let him see the full image over here, Brian.

[1084] You know what?

[1085] Girl, I'm not about to sit up here and argue with you about who's the blame.

[1086] A call, no name.

[1087] Real talk.

[1088] See, he's pissed.

[1089] The only thing I'm trying to establish what you is not who's right.

[1090] Establish.

[1091] Establish.

[1092] Anyway, she's taking out Nats.

[1093] Listen to this.

[1094] club with some other bitches sitting in VIP smoking and drinking and and kicking it tell me girl did she say there were other guys there there well there's other guys there well tell me this how to fuck she know I was with the mother girls then when the whole club passed here you don't want to involve past this fan trust right here's good right here's good No man having an ass, who said it with real talk, real talk.

[1095] It's good stuff, he's the greatest of all time.

[1096] No one's more entertaining than R. Kelly.

[1097] I don't want us to ever not have an R. Kelly.

[1098] Well, you know, that's what's great about the internet is that if you have the urge to share, you can share.

[1099] What?

[1100] That guy's crazy.

[1101] I need him.

[1102] I need him to stay crazy.

[1103] I want that.

[1104] I want that guy.

[1105] We didn't even see some of the best lines in it.

[1106] He's brilliant.

[1107] Maybe he's sitting here going to be a parody.

[1108] Even if it's not, I don't care.

[1109] Whatever, he's fucking rocking it his way.

[1110] Good for him.

[1111] I love him.

[1112] I'll be an R. Kelly fan of the day he dies.

[1113] I hope he didn't really pee on anybody, though.

[1114] No, he did.

[1115] I have the video.

[1116] Allegedly.

[1117] How old is she's really young, right?

[1118] Never mind.

[1119] I don't have that.

[1120] Oh, whatever.

[1121] Erase that number.

[1122] Bad collar, bad collar.

[1123] Yeah, maybe we need a delay.

[1124] We need to put a delay in our system.

[1125] I don't have it anymore.

[1126] I had it when it came out.

[1127] And she looked like she was younger.

[1128] I don't know how young she was, but she looked like old enough.

[1129] Like she was dressed up like a stripper and shit.

[1130] Wait a minute.

[1131] What are you talking about?

[1132] Nothing.

[1133] I don't know what you're talking about.

[1134] I said, I say we need a delay.

[1135] I know.

[1136] Because of the R. Kelly comment, right?

[1137] No, because of the other day when Jimmy gave a, fake phone number on the air oh you got phone calls I heard some poor chick on Twitter we hooked her up she's gonna come to the show I get tickets that's a weird took care of her I told her take care of her tab to I felt like an asshole yeah so we we removed it let me ask you when did you become interested in all of the ideas of the singularity I'm just curious you know but Ray Kurzweil is absolutely we should have Ray here's have Ray and Barry I would love to talk I would love to come with him in McKenna you know McKenna was a huge huge influence because he was just so compelling his lectures were so fast to me. Yeah.

[1138] And like I said, the first time I did DMP, I literally heard what was represented by, you know, his words, you know.

[1139] I think, you know, there's been very few people that have put as much down as he did, you know, as far as like those recordings that you can get online.

[1140] There's so many of them, man. And they're so goddamn interesting, man. He just had this really weird way of phrasing things and putting things together.

[1141] And his brain was wired on just another level.

[1142] And he's just.

[1143] And he's just wired on just another level.

[1144] And he just.

[1145] He understood the power of language.

[1146] He also talked a lot about language.

[1147] Like, we live in a world of language.

[1148] And he said, note how I use big words.

[1149] It's one of the things that he said.

[1150] Why hasn't he gotten in trouble?

[1151] He was really fascinating.

[1152] He calls language an ecstatic activity of signification.

[1153] The self -defining reality was made.

[1154] Brut forth into made by language.

[1155] Yeah, brought forth into being by language.

[1156] But it is for sure.

[1157] It totally is.

[1158] I mean, we live in a world of mind, right?

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] A world of psyche.

[1161] Dance, arts, science.

[1162] So unfortunate.

[1163] McKenna died before, you know, he could really see how crazy things you're getting right now, you know?

[1164] It's such a shame.

[1165] That's what I say.

[1166] We've got to fix the death problem, men.

[1167] It's not cool.

[1168] It robs us of all these luminous beings.

[1169] So how many people do you think the Earth can support?

[1170] I mean, if you're going to live forever.

[1171] Dude, we're going to go into the stars.

[1172] We're going to go to the stars for sure.

[1173] Of course we are.

[1174] That's the, that's the human.

[1175] That's the next leap.

[1176] Isn't that what Nick Ingritch said that got him in trouble?

[1177] Well, I think he was doing really well.

[1178] He just said because he was doing really well in the campaign trail until he said he's going to go to the moon and people like bitch fix detroit i think i think you're going to the moon for no i do i do think we didn't stay in the caves we didn't stay with the limitations of biology we won't stay on the planet i mean i think to be human is to transcend our boundaries like i think i think if it's possible what's natural oh yeah so figure out a way to geoengineer some other planet and ship people over there and we'll figure it out i mean i mean i'm right but how could you say it's impossible when you look at what we've been able to do here in just a short couple hundred years.

[1179] For $200 or $300, you can buy an iPhone, something that the richest person on the face of the planet 50 years ago couldn't buy it with all those billions.

[1180] I know.

[1181] Isn't that amazing?

[1182] What a crazy invention.

[1183] If everyone on the other side of the country, like move to the other side of the country, when we all lived on one side of the country, would the earth go out of its spin?

[1184] Yes, the earth would sink.

[1185] It would flip over.

[1186] Someone actually asked that.

[1187] Someone actually asked that.

[1188] I just remember what most of the world is water anyway.

[1189] It's mostly empty space.

[1190] It's mostly Space, the planet.

[1191] Mostly empty space.

[1192] And more and more people are moving into cities anyway.

[1193] So it's going to be just more and more just empty space.

[1194] There was someone who actually asked that.

[1195] There was like, I forget what was it was like a recent thing.

[1196] It was a story.

[1197] Really?

[1198] Something else.

[1199] Well, there was too many people on an island and he was worried if they had all that people on one side where the island capsized.

[1200] It was a real person actually asked that question.

[1201] Like, dude.

[1202] You know what we got to get you?

[1203] We got to get you some T -shirts from the imaginary foundation.

[1204] Okay.

[1205] No. Do they exist?

[1206] I'm wearing.

[1207] The line of the day goes, too.

[1208] Here's one of my favorite t -shirts.

[1209] Wipe your ass with this, loser.

[1210] Yeah, no, the imaginary foundation, they make apparel that celebrates the power of human imagination.

[1211] If you can go to Imaginary Foundation.

[1212] And that is one of them, the one you're wearing right now?

[1213] It's like the thinker with a bunch of cool colors on them.

[1214] And then there's this old guy underneath, like holding it up.

[1215] Oh, wow.

[1216] That's pretty cool.

[1217] I mean, their stuff is like the most gorgeous and inspired imagery that I've ever come across because it's cosmic, but it's also whimsical and psychedelic.

[1218] So it's like singularity meets psychedelic rapture in image.

[1219] I love them, man. I want, I'll send, I'll get them to send you a shirt.

[1220] Okay, that'd be great.

[1221] Sounds awesome, man. Yeah.

[1222] How did you meet Ray Kurzweil?

[1223] I met him because, you know, for five years I was hosting a television show for Current, which is Al Gore's Cable Net Channel.

[1224] Right.

[1225] So I love that I was doing.

[1226] I heard that him and Keith Oberman have been sprawling.

[1227] That's the rumor, I guess.

[1228] Sprawling.

[1229] What are they doing?

[1230] Squabbling?

[1231] Squabbling?

[1232] I left the network last year, so I don't know.

[1233] that yeah a lot of politics a lot of bullshit going down over there they don't appreciate your talent did they not see these YouTube clips no I just I wanted to make content on on my own terms and after four and a half years doing anything the hedonic adaptation kicks in so you just crave something different but um but when I like adaptation yeah well I just like you need something to be hedonistic that's a strange no hedonic adaptation means that that something that gave you pleasure stops being as stimulated as it once was you adapt to the hedonic nature of it so that it's no longer hedonic.

[1234] Oh, so your hedonism, once you give into it, and you always constantly need to re -up it.

[1235] It's like tolerance.

[1236] Like drugs.

[1237] So you are a hedonistic junkie?

[1238] Well, I've always thought that.

[1239] Don't you think, like, especially at gambling junkies?

[1240] They seem to be, it seems to be a hedonistic drug of choice.

[1241] You know, it's like that indulgence and doing something.

[1242] Well, we're hacking, we're hacking our own fight or flight mode and we're hacking our own dopamine secret.

[1243] Why do people go to scary movies, you might ask, to be scared?

[1244] No, they go to scary movies because it's very meta.

[1245] You know you're fine, but you also are tricking yourself into being scared.

[1246] But because you know you're fine, then it's okay to be scared because then it's exciting.

[1247] Or like roller coasters, or skydiving, paying to feel like you're going to die, but knowing you're not going to dodge.

[1248] You can only do that because we're very meta.

[1249] But anyway, let me tell you about Ray Kurzwe.

[1250] One more point about the casinos, I think that when you put a casino in one certain place, too, I think you alter people's behavior when you let them know that it's like this one spot way over there, and it's the only place you're allowed to gamble.

[1251] They just go there and start gambling.

[1252] gambling.

[1253] You know, it's like they feel like once they got there, like, but if you allowed people to gamble everywhere they are, I doubt people would probably wouldn't be as exciting.

[1254] Perbid and fruit is always kind of a period.

[1255] That is a really interesting, what you call it the hedonistic what?

[1256] Well, I was talking about hedonic adaptation.

[1257] Hedonic adaptation.

[1258] What happens if you're anything that's always around becomes invisible.

[1259] I got to remember that phrase because that's, that it really is what it is.

[1260] Yeah.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] It's a weird.

[1263] I've always wondered what that's, I guess it's because we're always trying to push forward.

[1264] Well, I think, I think it's our brain's way of saying that, you know, if you don't.

[1265] stimulate me yeah yeah if you don't stimulate me i will just make you a zombie well in return but what do you think the genetic reason for that is you know is it is it to push get us to i mean push energy forward to keep probably there must be some reason and to get you to continue to expand your sphere of possibilities and what is more rewarding than when you do create something like like you watch these videos i'm watching you watch these videos and you're you know you're you get a little charge out of yourself knowing literally get off yeah yeah of course you do you know you created something.

[1266] I mean, that's one of the best things that a person can feel is when they create something and somebody likes it.

[1267] You know, it's really, really a...

[1268] Well, it's a cultural equivalent of like sexual reproduction.

[1269] The sperm's, you know, spreading the seed and why it's so hard for men to be monogamous supposedly, well, because we're wired to spread the seed to spread information, genetic information, as wide across as possible.

[1270] But guess what?

[1271] We've transcended a biological evolution with culture.

[1272] So now the seed is with, you know, what they call memes, memetic content.

[1273] Memes are like organisms.

[1274] They're like sperms.

[1275] They're nuggets of information that are spreading and leaping from brain to brain.

[1276] They're alive.

[1277] So in a way, we no longer need to spread our seed physiologically really anymore.

[1278] We do it culturally.

[1279] I'm trying to, you know, these nuggets, I call them inspired nuggets of Techno Rapture.

[1280] They're just little nuggets.

[1281] They just hopefully will live inside.

[1282] It's the perfect way to do it, because anybody can send anybody it's, you know, even if you're in that connection sucks.

[1283] Right.

[1284] It's up really quick.

[1285] It's only two minutes long.

[1286] Right.

[1287] You know, it's the right amount of commitment to where people will just go, whoa.

[1288] but it doesn't require them to remember some shit that you said 20 minutes earlier about...

[1289] Totally.

[1290] You know.

[1291] Two minutes shots of philosophical espresso.

[1292] And then you put them on the Twitter, right?

[1293] I logged into...

[1294] I registered for Twitter, I think, like two years ago.

[1295] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1296] At Jason underscore Silva, by the way.

[1297] But I remember when I first started Twitter, I didn't understand it because I thought 140 characters are so limited.

[1298] But it actually makes sense in an age of information when you're saturated and so much knowledge that it forces you to be concise so that you can alleviate the sort of ban Bandwidth anxiety of being flooded with just so much information.

[1299] Keep it short, keep it quick.

[1300] God damn verbose, you know.

[1301] People just ponder on as I do three -hour podcasts.

[1302] Let me tell you.

[1303] But that's why we love them, dude.

[1304] Yeah, that is part of what we love, but not in writing.

[1305] In writing, it's annoying.

[1306] Why are you making me read so much?

[1307] Well, yeah, well, that's...

[1308] I mean, that's why I made the social interaction.

[1309] That's why I made the video's shorts, because I don't feel entitled to 30 minutes of people's time necessarily, because I know that there's a lot of media that is trying to suck.

[1310] bear attention.

[1311] the way you did is perfect.

[1312] Two minutes is a quick, like, you know, it's a donation.

[1313] And Twitter maybe, you know, maybe you could pump it up to like 200 words or 200 letters.

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] That would be about it.

[1316] It doesn't work on podcast.

[1317] So I used to do a podcast with R. You should figure a call it a one minute podcast.

[1318] And it's just like pretty much you just say hi and then you have to say goodbye.

[1319] It doesn't work for a podcast.

[1320] So you did it as a podcast?

[1321] Yeah.

[1322] Did you really?

[1323] That's ridiculous.

[1324] Yeah.

[1325] Um, you can't, you couldn't, even just reading Twitter off a podcast.

[1326] You can't do that because then they're just saying negative shit to give your attention.

[1327] You know, people are just trying to be the loudest.

[1328] I don't like negativity.

[1329] It's very sad.

[1330] Negativity is so sad.

[1331] It is, but is it natural?

[1332] Is it important?

[1333] Is it necessary for us to appreciate the good?

[1334] Do we have to experience this, the rude and...

[1335] Well, there's a school of thought that says, you know, things only make sense due to their contrast.

[1336] You can only appreciate pleasure if you know pain.

[1337] But I don't know.

[1338] I think we can evolve past that.

[1339] I think we can appreciate pleasure just because it's pleasurable and not need its opposite.

[1340] it.

[1341] I'm not sure if we'll, we'll get there.

[1342] Why not?

[1343] I hope.

[1344] Well, we've gotten, you know, it's all been positive up to here, even though horrific things have happened along the way.

[1345] It's not like the Genghis Khan days.

[1346] We're doing a little bit better, unless you're in a few choice spots totally on the planet, you know, unless you're right now in Syria, which is a really crazy.

[1347] You've been watching this stuff in the news?

[1348] Yeah, it's very, very upsetting what's going on over there.

[1349] It's crazy.

[1350] But, um, yeah, I'm hopeful that the world is going to, well, we'll get, we need You know, the world needs to respond, and I'm hopeful we'll move in that direction.

[1351] It's fascinating how we're watching these countries that have been controlling people through fear.

[1352] Through dictatorships and military dictatorships.

[1353] We're watching them fold, boom, boom, boom, just left and right.

[1354] And everybody knows it.

[1355] And they're all terrified.

[1356] Yeah.

[1357] You know, it's all, how long can you hold out?

[1358] How long can you resist the movement?

[1359] You know, it's going to make you, you're not going to be a trillionaire anymore, Well, people, people, people will persist and they'll, they'll be successful.

[1360] Actually, Kurzweil is also known for predicting when the Soviet Union would collapse.

[1361] Did he really?

[1362] Yeah.

[1363] Accurately?

[1364] Wow.

[1365] Oh, yeah.

[1366] Yeah.

[1367] How did they figure it out?

[1368] Well, because he was, he saw the exponential growth curves of information technology and he predicted that basically the free flow of information would eventually be too much for that insulated.

[1369] So he just put it in a computer program?

[1370] Yeah, well, no, he had predicted it.

[1371] He, he has an uncanny ability to make predictions that come.

[1372] true.

[1373] It's the reason that he's called the smartest man since Edison by all these people.

[1374] And when I met him was because I did a short on current TV called The Immortalists, which was focused on just the maverick techno -optimists who were trying to find a solution to the problem of death.

[1375] Right.

[1376] And I became friends with him and I felt like, wow, this is the most brilliant guy and I want to do everything I can to help push these ideas forward because these are the biggest ideas in the history of the world.

[1377] Right.

[1378] And then I became even friendlier with him because I also became very good friends with Barry Ptolemy, who directed Transcendant Man, the film about Kurzweil.

[1379] and uh and since then fucking film amazing transcend the man is i've seen it several times it's really inspirational yeah it's a magnificent doc and uh and if you you would love barry the director he's awesome and uh i'm sure i would and there it's a feeling of a labor of love because what we're doing is we're evangelizing some ideas that could transform the human condition in unfathomably rich ways and you know you have kerswile who's just like what he's lending us with these ideas and with his mind is just is nothing short of astonishing it's such a what i was i was saying earlier such a dramatic thing to watch, too, his pursuit of this, you know, his pursuit of enlightening people as to the consequences and the radical possibilities.

[1380] And it's such food for your brain, you know, Kurtzweil is one of, you know, there's so many on the internet.

[1381] I mean, it's an amazing time to be influenced by people and to be able to read people's, you know, just blog entries, like, literally like a day after something happens, you know, someone interesting will blog something.

[1382] I mean, what a strange time we have.

[1383] Totally.

[1384] This is the strangest time in human history.

[1385] And we're swimming in it.

[1386] We're swimming in it right now.

[1387] And the rate of change gets faster.

[1388] Evolution is telescoping, basically.

[1389] So it took a billion years to get to a certain point.

[1390] And then in the last hundred years, we created more change.

[1391] So the rate of things changing gets faster and faster and faster until it's no longer even quantifiable until we kind of like merge with our technology.

[1392] Do you ever get recruited to speak at one of those 2012 conferences?

[1393] Oh, dude, I just spoke at Digital Life Design in Munich, which is a super kind of technology, futurism, invite -only event.

[1394] It was awesome.

[1395] Like, Yoko Ono spoke, and Cheryl Sandberg, the president of Facebook spoke.

[1396] Dude, Yoko Ono spoke.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] There's a lot of, like, I don't know what she spoke about.

[1399] I missed her talk.

[1400] She used to fuck a famous guy.

[1401] There you go.

[1402] No, but that was awesome.

[1403] And actually, my video was shown at the Economist magazine Ideas Festival in New York.

[1404] So you can imagine when you have, like, a crowd of, like, The Economist, and you're showing them these videos.

[1405] And you know the best part?

[1406] They got it, dude.

[1407] They didn't think that I was just like some crazy hippie spewing forth these ideas.

[1408] They totally get it.

[1409] And I spoke at the Singularity Summit, incidentally, which is the conference that's all about the technological singularity.

[1410] And I spoke about the importance of art, design, and aesthetics to kind of transmit these ideas.

[1411] Because people only respond to what moves them.

[1412] You know, if you only show them so many graphs before they fall asleep.

[1413] Right.

[1414] But if you inspire them, if you epiphanize them, if you give somebody the goosebumps, they'll remember it.

[1415] And I showed the videos, and sure enough, like, people really...

[1416] really seem to respond to them.

[1417] So they're definitely it's creating a kind of I'm hopeful.

[1418] I think I'm going to be speaking at Google in March actually as well.

[1419] A friend is setting that up.

[1420] What's Yoko Ono like?

[1421] I didn't meet her.

[1422] She was speaking in the other atrium at the same time as me. She was my, my competition.

[1423] Does she speak inside of a bed?

[1424] Like, do they just like roll a bed up onto stage and she's just laying there in there.

[1425] It's just like young John Lennon and now today Yoko Ono, it's just fucking trippy.

[1426] It's really, really darkly lit and they sing Imagine.

[1427] Would you fuck Yokohana?

[1428] No. She had an art exhibit that I went to when I lived in Boston.

[1429] It was really bizarre.

[1430] It was one of the strangest art exhibits ever and one of the things she had was a block of wood with a bunch of nails in it and there was a hammer and a box of nails there and she encouraged people to pick up the nails and contribute to the art. Wow.

[1431] And she said that that's how she wanted people to be enthusiastic about her art by letting them contribute.

[1432] And my joke was take the nail put in your forehead it would be a line around the block that's hilarious I'm no nobody's probably going to hit the nail but it would be interesting to watch you know if there was just her standing there with a nail in her forehead and she left a hammer there most people are not going to kill you but you never know man you never know that would be an interesting art piece you know that'd be a pretty fucking crazy thing to do anybody please steal this idea and everybody else please don't hit him in the head with a hammer it's fucked up you know it's interesting about art I always think the kind of art I'm interested in is that the art that is there to kind of move me in some way you know there is a great notion of do you ever notice why beauty sometimes makes you sad like true beauty like something really rapturously beautiful well I'm a man uh so that doesn't happen I don't get sad oh like strip strip clubs like yeah you're talking about the perfect ass no I'm talking about sunset mountain when something sublime moves you know that doesn't make me sad i i i look at true beauty like a like a magnificent gift to the universe well that's that's what i give it too but you know why it sometimes makes me sad is because they say that alan de botan says that the the reason it makes it sad is because the beauty what beauty hints at is at times the exception so it reminds us of a lot of the mediocrity that surrounds us and then we're like sad because we see a glimpse of the ideal and mankind has been obsessed with the ideal ever since you know we started making the Greek statues of David back in the day and that's all well and good until you start getting gray hair on your balls and then you know you start appreciating things because you realize the end is near oh so sad right it's just life no I know I know I'm not appreciate I do not get sad when I see beautiful things ever it's just entropy I love beautiful things too but it gets out a little bit well I they beauty moves me do you ever have sore nipples when you see if you see like something weird.

[1433] Like once a month to get sore nails?

[1434] I'm just being completely ridiculous.

[1435] I'm sorry, I'm just trying to be funny.

[1436] Do you die your...

[1437] Maybe it's a Latin thing.

[1438] I forget them as comedians sometimes.

[1439] Do you die your pubs, Joe?

[1440] No. Why not?

[1441] Shame mom?

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] They're only on the sack.

[1444] The sack is the only the gray ones.

[1445] The bush is all like a jungle dark.

[1446] Okay, so it's scary.

[1447] Wow.

[1448] So you're telling the balls.

[1449] I need to see your, the documentary.

[1450] The spirit is I need to say that right there, man. You need to pause.

[1451] I'm talking about my balls.

[1452] You're like, I need to see your, I know, for a documentary.

[1453] You got to have some Freudian shit right there, son.

[1454] We didn't have to phrase that like that.

[1455] That's like, that's almost in the same category as making somebody flinch.

[1456] You're obviously not used to doing a stupid show like this.

[1457] No, I'm kidding.

[1458] This is amazing, man. Oh, please.

[1459] It's amazing having you on, man. You're blowing people's minds.

[1460] Oh, I'm excited.

[1461] Hey, you didn't pause enough for saying that either, Joe.

[1462] What happened?

[1463] Blowing?

[1464] Are you right?

[1465] It's fucking very good point.

[1466] Very good point.

[1467] Anyway, you were saying something about...

[1468] You're a documentary, the spirit molecule, the DMT?

[1469] Oh, it wasn't mine.

[1470] All I did was, I was like the Rod Sterling of it.

[1471] It was just all the stuff that they wanted.

[1472] It was an honor just to do it for him.

[1473] It's my friend Mitch Schultz who did.

[1474] It was really a very illuminating documentary called DMT, the spirit molecule.

[1475] A lot of like really interesting, intelligent, and brilliant people who have had DMT experiences.

[1476] And it's available.

[1477] I'm pretty sure it's on iTunes.

[1478] I know it's online.

[1479] You can find it.

[1480] Google it.

[1481] buy it's really good you love it very cool it does uh yeah it's it's a fascinating um thing that there's some sort of a chemical that you human the human mind makes that's the most intense psychedelic known demand it's really weird you know makes you ask all these questions and when why it evolves because there's a reason that end when you were talking earlier about the idea of engineering states of consciousness that would be we're going to be able to engineer a state of complete total bliss totally you know the idea that you're going to have a DMT button on the into your fucking keychain just press it and do do do do do do do and you just go into some fucking crazy spiral of light with no boundaries do you imagine if we well that's all anyone's going to do just going to DMT trip all that yeah well there was an article in Wired recently about DJs using nanoparticles in the future to get the audience like literally high wow that's incredible instead of using chemical technology using electronic technology OD people man Well, I don't think that they won't be successful if they OD people.

[1482] The song was so good, it made someone have a fucking heart attack.

[1483] Did you imagine?

[1484] Well, yeah, but nobody will want to go if that happens.

[1485] People will go for the ecstatic.

[1486] Yeah, a few pussies.

[1487] Can't make it.

[1488] Can't run up hill.

[1489] That sounds ridiculous, but the idea of nanoparticles.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] Oh, yeah.

[1492] That will, like, change the way you think.

[1493] You change the whole room of people.

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] Change their reality.

[1496] Yeah.

[1497] It's getting crazy, man. We're going down the rabbit hole for sure.

[1498] What if we all went into, which is this, what if this is the future?

[1499] We all go into a gigantic airplane warehouse, right?

[1500] Like an airplane hanger.

[1501] They close the doors.

[1502] They hit the button.

[1503] The nanoparticles come out and all of a sudden we're in fucking Avatar.

[1504] We're flying through spaceships and shit.

[1505] All of this is taking place.

[1506] We're just standing there.

[1507] In real life, we're just standing there.

[1508] Why wouldn't?

[1509] That's exactly what it would be.

[1510] It re -engineers your entire imagination.

[1511] It creates an image that it has uploaded.

[1512] to your consciousness and everybody experiences it totally and you can move around in it and like reality you can change it yeah you can change it and alter it exactly dude we'll all be world builders you can use imagination inside that world because if you think about it that's already the world that we live in it just has taken longer to execute it because somebody thought of an airplane and then they imagined themselves flying on the airplane and then they built the airplane and then it worked and then they flew and today we all fly it's just that because it took 40, 50, 60, 70 years.

[1513] It doesn't feel like we just created the world that we live in.

[1514] But we didn't just create it.

[1515] We literally just created it.

[1516] I mean, that's the craziest part of all.

[1517] That's not a metaphor.

[1518] That's not exaggeration.

[1519] We live inside of worlds that we have created.

[1520] And yet we're still a part of this gigantic thing, this planet.

[1521] We're still a part of this hive of organisms.

[1522] How did we come about?

[1523] How did we emerge so prominently?

[1524] I mean, I mean, I know there's a lot of theories.

[1525] Do you subscribe to the Stone -Dape theory?

[1526] Do you have your own theory?

[1527] No, no. I think this, I mean, you know, it's difficult to prove, right?

[1528] But I definitely, I find it the most captivating account.

[1529] It makes sense to me based on everything.

[1530] It's very captivating.

[1531] For people who don't know, explain to people what the theory is.

[1532] Yeah, well, the Stone -Dap hypothesis basically tries to explain at one point sort of language emerged, you know, from a species that couldn't speak to a species that could and change the operating system of the brain.

[1533] It's referred to as the first singularity.

[1534] And Terence McKenna says that this occurred when early hominids left the jungle for the savannas.

[1535] And in the savannas, their diets changed, and they were ruffling around for whatever they could find to eat.

[1536] And the magic mushrooms that were growing in the cow dung, those were psychedelic.

[1537] And so when they started taking them, they wouldn't have been able to make sense of the synesthetic experience that ensued.

[1538] Because the magic mushrooms cause synesthesia among their hallucinatory qualities, which means a blurring of the senses.

[1539] and wasn't there something about it increasing the size of the human brain over a period of like he talks about that in food of the gods is that all real is that absolutely i believe so i mean there's an account of it in food of the gods of how it literally changed the structure of the brain but i think the most compelling kind of like visual is when he says psychedelics can be synesthetic and that means seeing sounds right hearing sights we talked about it's right and that's what language is language is psychedelic yeah it is I send images wirelessly into your head by making vocal sounds I mean I mean that's like that's like I'm already a cell phone I send thoughts to you telepathically into your head I mean so it's like where did that arise from and so it's an interesting theory it's definitely like whoa dude but it's really it's not really well accepted in the scientific community no it's a little too rock and roll it's a little too silly I mean I brought it up to people when they've gotten that upset at me. Proposterous it was.

[1540] You know, the idea that you were.

[1541] I think it's a wonderful mythology, though.

[1542] It's beautiful.

[1543] If it was true, it'd be awesome.

[1544] And the thing that really hits people about it is, even though it's probably at this point in time unprovable, what hits people about it is the profundity, is that a word, of the psychedelic experience, the first time you ever have a mushroom experience?

[1545] And you realize, like, what you're dealing with is so profound and so powerful and so impactful.

[1546] Who's to say that if you didn't eat this every day, it wouldn't make your brain grow bigger?

[1547] It really seems like it might.

[1548] Not to mention that man has, had a symbiotic relationship with these plants for its entire, for our entire history.

[1549] I mean, you know, Francis Crick, who had discovered the DMA is said to have experimented with LSD.

[1550] Like I said, well, it's said to have come up with the idea of the double helix while he was on LSD.

[1551] But that could have been horse shit because it was like after he was already dead.

[1552] It was like one of those deathbed confessions.

[1553] It could have been that his friend's just really into acid.

[1554] It's like, I'm just going to fuck up everybody by telling everybody that Francis Crick told me he was on acid when he died.

[1555] Well, maybe it's not the drugs.

[1556] It's what drugs could do to their thinking, which could have been triggered by other things as well.

[1557] It's a counterintuitive, non -linear, out -of -the -box thinking, you know, seeing the world in new ways requires tweaking how you perceive the world.

[1558] Well, a big part of what the brain is, is it's a chemical reaction.

[1559] And we know that when we're adding alcohol, adding anything to that chemical reaction, it changes the results.

[1560] And the data that comes in is perceived differently.

[1561] Absolutely.

[1562] And we know that we can tap into something.

[1563] When you give so many mushrooms or you get some – you tap into this incredible.

[1564] blissful experience, and it's akin to a religious experience.

[1565] When we understand the brain perfectly, we will be able to assert ourselves into Superman.

[1566] That movie Limitless was actually very prescient because it actually didn't end with a dystopic, warning, cautionary tale.

[1567] It was like, no, he figured it out, and he wins.

[1568] Yeah, no kidding.

[1569] Do you think that any of this would have taken place, any of this experimentation, any of this without psychedelics?

[1570] If there were no psychedelics, is it possible?

[1571] that an ape has become a human and the human has become almost immortal?

[1572] Is it possible?

[1573] Here's what I think.

[1574] I think that we need to live inside of minds that can go from living in caves to flying through the air in jetliners.

[1575] We need to be able to make leaps of thinking of that scale, but we have to do it in a compressed time frame.

[1576] It took 150 ,000 years to go from caveman to flying in jetliner.

[1577] Nonetheless, it happened.

[1578] So if you do, if you look at deep time, it's only a blink in the evolutionary scale.

[1579] It's less than a blink.

[1580] In less than a blink of a blink of a blink, we went from naked monkeys to jetliners and 1 .5 billion minds doing their mind work in a space that is in space called the Internet.

[1581] A blink of a blink of a blink.

[1582] So what's to say that the next blink is not going to be equal parts astonishing and equal parts sort of transformational?

[1583] Dude, that fucking is.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] You just nailed it.

[1586] Yeah.

[1587] God damn.

[1588] A blink of a blink.

[1589] It's so hard to wrap your head on 150 ,000 years ago we were in caves.

[1590] That's insane.

[1591] Dude.

[1592] It's really almost impossible to wrap your head around how recent that is.

[1593] Blink of a blink of a blink of a blink.

[1594] So what the fuck happened?

[1595] How did we just take off running like that?

[1596] A triumph.

[1597] It's amazing.

[1598] Something happened because nothing else from back then is any different.

[1599] Right.

[1600] Everything else from 150 ,000 years ago is the same.

[1601] Right.

[1602] And where is it leading?

[1603] Where is this leading?

[1604] It's fucking nuts, man. It's such a blank canvas for us to paint.

[1605] That's the hardest thing for us to wrap our heads around.

[1606] Everything else from 150 ,000 years ago is the same.

[1607] Yeah.

[1608] Everything is the same.

[1609] Our angutanes have the same habits.

[1610] We just shot away from the pack and started building shit and slingshot it.

[1611] Fucking mowing down elephants with guns.

[1612] Well, I don't know.

[1613] We just shot away.

[1614] We slingshotting.

[1615] Slingshating and bootstrapping complexity builds upon itself.

[1616] And it gets faster and fast.

[1617] faster and faster sexting Kim Kardashian's show boom 2012 it's amazing dude that's why it's so freaking fucking exciting yeah it is getting you're allowed to curse yeah you do but it's so like a lot of exciting dude like it's so like it's so wow yeah it's so happening right now you know it's it's i think in the future when we look back on this day and age you know, with, as, you know, objectively as we can, we're caught in a technological tornado, you know, and it's, it's happening in a way that we adapt to it.

[1618] You know, people are very adaptive creatures.

[1619] Oh, totally.

[1620] Totally.

[1621] We're awesome at, you know, recognizing our environment has changed and adjusting.

[1622] We're really good at that.

[1623] But the fact that we're able to do it with something as mind -blowing as the Internet is really incredible.

[1624] And the fact that, you know, at this point in time, you see societies all over the world trying to be more and more restrictive when it comes to the internet because they recognize this is their usurper.

[1625] The usurper is not, yeah.

[1626] It's not Rick Santorum.

[1627] No, it's the fucking internet, man. The internet's gonna take over.

[1628] It's not some...

[1629] The nature of...

[1630] I just want gay people to get married.

[1631] I mean, an organism wants to maintain the status quo if it has been a successful organism.

[1632] Yeah.

[1633] I mean by that is like a cultural context or certain businesses or corporations or business models that have worked for certain groups of people for a long time.

[1634] It's in their interest to want to persist.

[1635] Yeah.

[1636] But the reality is that, We all need to become cheerleaders for evolution, and that means embracing disruption.

[1637] Yeah, that means also letting gay people get married, you fuckheads.

[1638] A hundred thousand percent.

[1639] Like, 100 percent.

[1640] Like, gay marriage should be 100 percent legalized everywhere.

[1641] Marijuana should be 100 percent legalized everywhere.

[1642] This Rick Santorum, dude, that's one of the things he stands for.

[1643] He doesn't want gay people to be able to get married.

[1644] Like, what do you fucking care?

[1645] Well, that's that caveman mentality.

[1646] No, it's scared people.

[1647] What I wrote on my Twitter was that the only reason why anybody would want gay people who are not marries either they're dumb or they're secretly worried that dicks are delicious i think that must be what it is i think that's a lot they're just worried that there's a lot of gay guys around right you know they'll be sucking the dick they just don't trust themselves they're not that sure they're just hit upon it's 100 % look at it's so much of the behavior yeah his bone structure the way he carries himself he can be tricked you get that guy's not an alpha running around telling people gay people i just think i think the biggest the biggest rule should be you should not be able to impose your own moral rules on other people people.

[1648] It's like censoring books or censoring thought.

[1649] To each his own.

[1650] As long as you're not physically hurting anybody else.

[1651] If it offends you, I don't care.

[1652] You're free to say whatever you want.

[1653] I'm free to say whatever I want.

[1654] We respect and tolerate each other.

[1655] But actually, Bill Maher said, to be tolerant of intolerance, that's the problem.

[1656] That's why moral relativism doesn't work.

[1657] That's why you can't just say oh, and cultures in the Middle East where there's stoning women to death, oh, that's just a different culture.

[1658] We've got to respect it.

[1659] No, you don't respect that, okay?

[1660] Because that's being tolerant of intolerance.

[1661] Right.

[1662] right yeah he's it has a brilliant tim harris has a brilliant talk about that yeah it's uh it's it's it's a strange thing man it's a strange thing where people will embrace this this notion of fear and of of someone different than them and of you know that somehow another this is going to erode moral fiber and that your way of thinking is correct and what these people want to do that hurts you not one iota right you're going to somehow another prevent and do it righteously under the guise of some fucking book like you know i wrote that and like a bunch of people were saying you know tweeted me back and like you know I'm a Christian and let's come on man really stop what do you give a fuck of some gay dude oh because I'm a Christian because you're a Christian you care about gay people getting married let him do whatever the fuck they want doesn't make your thing any different you know what this is this divorce not they should you know just divorce not make your shit any weaker it was when 60 % of the people get divorced doesn't it make marriage weaker doesn't make it look more ridiculous you should be upset about that it should be upset about people who get married that don't really want to get married and fuck it up for the statistics the people are happily married because when you're happily married people always tell you yeah fucking 60 % and a divorce buckle up dude you know what we should do is prevent people from getting married not stop them from getting married okay stop everybody from getting married gay people straight people everybody marriage should be illegal period it's not the gay folks you know and if we're getting fucked they should be able to get fucked too that's my attitude If we're caught in this ridiculous maze The gay folks should just jump right in as well And if you want to keep them out of the gay It's just because you're worried about they're marrying you That's what it is Well especially because at the roots Like you know even Christianity It was all about like loving thy neighbor as you love thyself I mean if that should be like the only rule And you know what that means is Whatever your makes your neighbor happy Should make you happy As long as he's not physically hurting anyone else Right or if I fucking you when you go to get your mail that ain't cool either you know if like you're next to him in the mailbox and you're trying to get your mail it's like yeah god damn boy you know that's not cool right that's a little uncomfortable yeah he's not really hurting anybody but he is making you feel weird right right right shouldn't make you feel weird other than that what do you give a fuck it's just weird and when i see that in break that rickson tantorum guy one state caucuses in three states man three of them Colorado was one of them Colorado Missouri I think Minnesota well I think that, you know, a friend, my friend of mine says that evolution also thrives when there's resistance because resistance forces evolution to figure out a novel way to transcend that limitation.

[1663] So in a way, that resistance, the people wanting to teach creationism, for example, that resistance, maybe it's just part of the system because it maintains the system to be more robust to find ways to transcend that problem.

[1664] So that we don't get too comfortable ever because there's always those sort of backwards way of thinking that could very quickly become cancers and stop the innovation.

[1665] We can't let that happen.

[1666] yeah it's it's very it's a very tricky situation when you know and when you I the idea of being a Christian is a beautiful idea if you look at it in terms of what the the real teachings of Jesus were you know what Jesus was a hippie yeah absolutely he was a kind loving hippie who hung out with all types of awesome people I mean what a great moral example yeah but we have to recognize when in 2012 we we don't go on what people wrote down thousands of years ago we go on what we know today.

[1667] What we know today is that there are people that are just born gay.

[1668] They just are.

[1669] I've met him.

[1670] You've met him.

[1671] There's no fucking denying.

[1672] There was a kid that lived up the street for me about 10 years ago and he was five years old.

[1673] Five years old.

[1674] I knew this fucking kid was gay.

[1675] He was five.

[1676] He'd be playing in my yard and he was like super sweet to me and he would like to give me hugs and he would like to talk about like little dogs and his mother wanted to play football but he didn't want to play football.

[1677] You know, he's in it and his dad would come over, you know, real, real nice guy.

[1678] He's gay now.

[1679] Of course he's gay.

[1680] He was gay then.

[1681] Nobody tricked him into being gay.

[1682] He didn't get recruited.

[1683] He was born gay.

[1684] Some people are born with red hair.

[1685] Some people are born with, you know, awesome eyelashes.

[1686] It's a weird company.

[1687] It's amazing.

[1688] They like it.

[1689] Human beings.

[1690] We should all like embrace who and what we are.

[1691] I mean, our differences are what make us interesting.

[1692] But the real issue.

[1693] It's wonderful.

[1694] The real issue is some people are not gay.

[1695] And so they go, nobody could possibly like what I don't like.

[1696] Nobody could possibly really like that.

[1697] That's deviant.

[1698] That's disgusting and that's not freedom that's like authoritarianism well it's it's a lack of education it's a it's a lack of evolution it's a lack of information it's there's a lot of places in this world and you know and and thought pockets that are still backwards there's still but you think that's sort of an enlightened enlightened human values like eventually trump kind of this sort of negative way of thinking i mean if you think about it like the the modern kind of pop culture like the mainstream films and the mainstream media would never for example like embrace creationism i mean you know what i'm saying like i feel like for the most part what you mean well like i'm saying like you don't see like movies for example coming out like defending creationism well i think someone could do it really well i think if you had some master director like some kubrick type dude and a great storyteller they could figure out a way to craft something that would make you think that intelligent design might be very well the how the universe wants Well, but if you do it...

[1699] I mean, as a piece of entertainment as a movie.

[1700] But if you do it as a poem, like Terrence Malick's Tree of Life, then I mean, that's a beautiful poem.

[1701] They're not like making a documentary looking at the evidence that creation is as a fact.

[1702] No, no, no, no. I meant like a 2001 type movie.

[1703] Like a movie, a piece of fiction.

[1704] The thing is, we're all craving transcendence and rapture.

[1705] And the thing, what's most beautiful about this fleeting, ephemeral sensation is that it's a mystery, right?

[1706] So it's better expressed as a mystery than to sort of anthropomorphize it and put a man's face on it and a beard.

[1707] Right.

[1708] fall in love with the mystery that's you know Carl Sagan why do you think we have this weird longing though to believe that there's some secrets written somewhere and this is with the ancient I think our yearning for the sublime we can't avoid it the same way the yearning of eros right like it's just as embedded in us as the sex drive is it or is it because we know like in our genes somewhere another that we have gone through peaks and valleys of human behavior and human culture and that we have had periods of times where we lost information and did, you know, lose touch with our, the real tenets of society and of loving thy neighbor and all that stuff.

[1709] You know, and this idea of these secret stories that we had forgotten.

[1710] What they represent is, you know, cultures that had crashed.

[1711] Well, in universal archetypes that Joseph Campbell talks about.

[1712] And it's interesting because, you know, religion has become corrupted and institutionalized in many as politics.

[1713] Yeah, but there's also a great theory that says that the origins of religion actually lie in the use of psychedelics.

[1714] Sure.

[1715] Even the concept of God seems like a vision straight out of the psychedelic experience if you embrace it as the metaphor that it is, which is to say that something that transcends me, something is, something that feels that I'm part of something bigger than I am.

[1716] And what becomes indefinable, you put a symbol on it and, okay, call that God.

[1717] That was probably born.

[1718] The religious rituals were always, you know, those Native American cultures and Native cultures that would use psychedelics and the religious ceremonies.

[1719] I mean, that was a part of it.

[1720] People would like to dismiss it, but I don't know anything more powerful that I've ever experienced in life other than like tornadoes and shit.

[1721] You can't dismiss it.

[1722] It's a fact that these things were used in religious ceremonies since the beginning of time.

[1723] It's an unbelievable, powerful force.

[1724] And just because it doesn't rip trees out of the roots and make fucking cows fly through the air, doesn't mean a mental tornadoes.

[1725] Yeah, that's my point.

[1726] You remember that movie Altered States with William Hurt?

[1727] Remember it.

[1728] Yeah.

[1729] It's terrible.

[1730] Try watching it now.

[1731] It's unfortunately terrible.

[1732] You think it's terrible when you watch it?

[1733] God, it doesn't hold up at all.

[1734] It was awful.

[1735] I kind of like the dialogue a lot, though.

[1736] Really?

[1737] Yeah, well, he talks about the self, the individual mind that contains immortality.

[1738] Yeah, that was cool, but it was just so, it was just so dated.

[1739] It was really weird.

[1740] It just didn't seem that good.

[1741] I remember it being this brilliant.

[1742] When he turns to a monkey, it's not that good.

[1743] Yeah, that's what I mean.

[1744] I mean, it's like, who the fuck let you do this?

[1745] Why is you running around like that?

[1746] But everything before that is awesome.

[1747] His whole search for the transcendent and how he has a relationship with the girl and she says even sex is a mystical experience for you.

[1748] She says she feels like she's being harpooned by some raging monk and the act of receiving God.

[1749] So death, you know, sex and death as the connection to the divine.

[1750] I mean, it's all connected.

[1751] The drugs, the sex, the transcendence.

[1752] Trust me. I loved it when it first came out.

[1753] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1754] Watch it now is just, whoa, this is fucking terrible.

[1755] It's just something about they've gotten so much better at making movies now.

[1756] It's really amazing when you stop and think about there.

[1757] There's a piece of evolutionary evidence right there.

[1758] Look at culture.

[1759] Culture from 1950 and culture from today.

[1760] Watch, you know, Father knows best, watch you know you know calling car seven or what was that fucking show they had was that show do you remember it was like a car 69 where are you or something like that car 54 where are you i mean that's they had a show about a fucking guy driving around a car who's a cop right yeah it's ridiculous you know remember they had bj and the bear they had a show about a truck driver with a chimp right yeah they had a show we've talked about before there was a president that was a chimp called mr smith or something like that where it was yeah we talked about this before yeah and he was i must have been so big time traveled yeah but no one it's crazy because no one remembers this show at all and i've tried to find out youtube and i can't find it was called mr smith and he just chimpanzee is a president wow he talked and he talked like humphrey bogart he's like hey bogey and everybody else is a person yeah the chimp was just running shit yeah and everyone just acted like that was normal wow okay yeah what is that about i don't know what do you think about people that say that the human being was actually created by genetic intervention from extraterrestrials.

[1761] Well, at least that's interesting.

[1762] So sexy.

[1763] It's the sexiest idea of all time.

[1764] You can imagine the planet being seated with the primordial elements that would then, like, to set the emergent conditions for complex life to emerge for that is compelling because we are now doing that with artificial life and with synthetic life.

[1765] I mean, Craig Venter, when he created the first synthetic life form, you know, the signature was written in the DNA.

[1766] like the signature of his name.

[1767] So, okay, so now life is now creating life, you know, we are doing intelligent design.

[1768] Intelligent design is actually occurring now with synthetic biology.

[1769] And so to think that some far more powerful civilization might have created and proceeded and terraformed the planet is, I mean, it's not outside of the realm of impossibility.

[1770] It's certainly a compelling idea.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] And it's certainly like what we're about to do.

[1773] it's more interesting than you know God created the heavens in seven days it seems so unfortunate there's fucking asteroids and comets out there because if it wasn't for them I'm like we're definitely going to win this race we're going to win this race with technology we're going to pull through eventually we'll get our shit together but that might not be the case we might be like on the verge of getting it all together no no but you know Freeman Dyson not to quote him again but he said that with synthetic biology and artificial life we're eventually going to decode the genome of every living thing on the planet and then we'll be able to actually have with nanotechnology the entire biosphere in something that's a few micrograms in weight so the whole biosphere in the palm of our hands and then we'll send those biospheres in the palm of our hands into space you're talking about adam and eve type shit son sending it into space the seat well this is what it is yeah isn't amazing isn't it amazing it all comes back and then the metaphor something to make sense if that's really what adam and eve is all about that's really what adam is that's the that's the real creation holy shit that eventually the intelligent animal once you know becoming sentient and aware of itself, started on a fucking rape and killing rampage to the created bombs and rap music and death metal.

[1774] And then what?

[1775] Yeah.

[1776] And then what?

[1777] How do we get out of this alive?

[1778] What's your suggestion?

[1779] Well, I think that that's where the cultural conversation that is happening.

[1780] You know, I think what's really exciting is that the internet allows minds to come together based on shared interests.

[1781] And this will mean LOL, Katz fans and it'll also mean you know the smartest I have laughed many times me too LOL cat but that's what I'm saying I have you haven't I love a good low cat I'm not criticizing it but I'm not criticizing it but I'm saying the same thing that allows millions of people to come together over a shared delight right allows also the smartest scientists and astronomers and philosophers and thinkers around the world to collaborate to cross -pollinate right you know all these minds working together you know it creates something that's greater than the sum of its individual parts, right?

[1782] That's when something transcendent emerges.

[1783] You put things together in a certain way, and it leads to something that's greater.

[1784] Two plus two equaling five somehow.

[1785] And so I'm confident that because of that, we will find innovative solutions that help us address all of humanity's grand challenges.

[1786] And that's happening.

[1787] We have to recognize each other as a superorganism first, right?

[1788] We have to recognize each other as we're all one organization.

[1789] Systems thinking, yeah.

[1790] Yeah, that's the only way to do it.

[1791] You can't separate yourself from the environment in which you're embodied in.

[1792] At some point in time, we're going to have to fix Somalia We're going to have to fix, you know.

[1793] 100%.

[1794] You look at these fucked up places where people are starving in death and they're uneducated.

[1795] It's totally unacceptable.

[1796] Yeah, as a human entity, right?

[1797] As a single organism, we have to accept that this is, we have to re -engineer the situation somehow or another.

[1798] It sounds like eugenics.

[1799] It sounds terrible.

[1800] That's not what I mean.

[1801] I mean with education, love and food and, you know, if we could put as much money into going to war, why can't these fucking peace companies come up with some lobbying money?

[1802] It doesn't happen, because think about it better.

[1803] Just as profitable for peace?

[1804] If peace was more profitable than war.

[1805] Good ideas have never had it better.

[1806] Good ideas have never had it better than they do today.

[1807] I absolutely agree with that.

[1808] So on that note, you know, an idea for an airplane, that was a good idea.

[1809] And an idea on how to build it was a good idea.

[1810] And so I think that, you know, maybe we can't articulate what those ideas are yet, but we certainly are creating the spaces in which those ideas are more likely to emerge than any other time in human history.

[1811] And that is kind of a fact, I think.

[1812] Yeah, I don't think anybody's just, well, as far as we know about human history, the only thing that fucks me up when I'm not willing to commit.

[1813] to that is the Egyptian period.

[1814] There are some crazy ship going on in Egypt, man. Those motherfuckers were on, they might have been on this level, on a parallel level.

[1815] That was completely different.

[1816] Interesting.

[1817] The construction of the hieroglyphs, the architecture and engineering of, well, you know, eventually they died.

[1818] You know, the people that realized the highest heights, it's very difficult to maintain that tone for very long.

[1819] I think there's a, you know, there's a certain revolutions per minute that you have to be hitting as a society.

[1820] You have to be really completely in tune to hit such high heights.

[1821] And, you know, you have to be in tune ethically, morally, but you're still a human being.

[1822] So if that philosophy is not somehow or another genetically imprinted into the monkey, in time, with lack of discipline and people that aren't good to raising children, the ideas will be lost.

[1823] Well, but now all the world's ideas and all the world's information is now digital.

[1824] The Library of Alexandria.

[1825] I don't think we'll ever lose that library again.

[1826] And the Internet is also distributed, right?

[1827] It's not a centralized network.

[1828] I don't think you can knock down the ideas ever again that way, unless an asteroid hits the earth.

[1829] Yeah, that's what I was just about to say.

[1830] Yeah, we can, we can lose it all.

[1831] We could totally start from scratch.

[1832] We may have.

[1833] That's the big question.

[1834] When you look at Egypt, how did they get that far ahead of everybody else?

[1835] That's a nutty thing, man. I mean, it's almost like a joke.

[1836] You know, it's almost like, you know, you think you understand history.

[1837] Tadda!

[1838] Look at that.

[1839] 2 ,300 ,000 stones cut into a perfect pyramid.

[1840] It used to be smooth limestone with a golden cap, all made.

[1841] back when there was no fucking wheel.

[1842] Good luck.

[1843] Good luck.

[1844] Figured out.

[1845] Well, you know what?

[1846] I guess back then they weren't global.

[1847] And so if that limited area was knocked out, then it affected the whole.

[1848] Now we're global.

[1849] So the only way that the whole thing could be knocked out is with an asteroid, not if you kill one pocket or another.

[1850] But I think eventually we'll be post -terrestrial.

[1851] That's why we've got to go into space.

[1852] That's why we've got to go into space.

[1853] Yes, for sure.

[1854] For sure.

[1855] Isn't it amazing that someone at one point in time, what is it was, that it was the Egyptian culture, 2 ,500 BC, someone.

[1856] got that far isn't it amazing it's totally amazing those struck people that don't i mean i've never been to egypt but i've watched a lot of documentaries i did go to the um to chichen it'sa once which was not maybe not as impressive as egypt because of the sheer size of some of the things but still pretty fascinating that this was a uh an ancient culture that existed over a thousand years ago they'd made these amazing buildings and you're walking on the ground where their their civilization took place and you realized these were like thinking philosophical people that thought about deep things thousands of years ago profound thoughts about space and universe completely fascinated by the Mayans completely fascinated by the Mayan culture and the idea that there's over a thousand Mayan temples just out there in the jungle that they haven't even discovered yet you know they find these fucking things and they just start digging into them and they're like holy shit they'll be in Mexico City they'll be like building apartment buildings and someone will go stop we just found the biggest temple in the history of the Mayan culture you know and they'll find some gigantic fucking things that are just underground, you know?

[1857] It's like you've got to wonder what the hell happened there.

[1858] They had achieved this incredible height as far as their ability to construct these things at a stone.

[1859] And then even before them, there's somebody called the Olmex.

[1860] They don't even know who the fuck they were.

[1861] They don't even know what the language was.

[1862] They have no idea, but they have these giant fat African heads.

[1863] You know what it shows, though?

[1864] It shows the tendency towards complexity and the tendency towards development and progress that might have been thwarted by an existential threat.

[1865] or a war or whatever it is that happened but the tendency is there so it's this idea that like life moves towards complexity life is actually anti -entropic it wants to get more complex more sublime you know knowledge information wants to spread sentience wants to perpetuate itself and so I think we're on the best we're in the best ride of our of history like I think we're I mean I think they got pretty far but then they were thwarted you're totally right I'm a retard I have to figure out how it happened you know I'm like this is what what happens you know I can't even live in the moment when it comes to this.

[1866] I'm still trying to pick apart the formula how we got to this point.

[1867] But this point is the most fascinating point.

[1868] If this point existed in the past, if we were running around like, you know, I don't think we got this far before.

[1869] No, I definitely don't think so.

[1870] But if we somehow or another were running around like the Romans on fucking horses and shit and nobody ever figured out how to make a phone and somebody found some projection thing and threw up a movie of how we live right now with cars and shit.

[1871] Oh my God.

[1872] People are standing in front of a fire going to do what the fuck is this way way crazier than anything they could ever imagine looking at time lapse videos of cities at night oh yeah because what you see it's like in one of your videos yeah there's that scene it's a the movie tron right it says they tried to picture clusters of information as they flowed through the computer what did they look like were the circuits like freeways chips motorcycles and when you look at the time lapse of a city at night you do see it's just particles of light it's just information being exchanged, you know, especially when it's time lapsed and you don't see the individual cars, but you just see the light in the buildings and the light.

[1873] That's just information, you know.

[1874] It was Dawkins who says, if you want to understand life, don't think of oozing gels and throbbing liquids.

[1875] Think about information technology.

[1876] It's just information being exchanged all the time.

[1877] It's all it is.

[1878] If you're someone, if you're someone who's flying into L .A., I urge you to fly into L .A. at night.

[1879] Right.

[1880] It's a motherboard, dude.

[1881] It's a motherboard.

[1882] You can't believe how wild it looks how organized, how planned, how inevitable.

[1883] How blade runner.

[1884] How blade runner.

[1885] Right.

[1886] We don't realize how advanced we are as a society.

[1887] I really don't feel like you give the full perspective because of you fly into Los Angeles and right.

[1888] He'd dineate adaptation, man. My friend Larry had a house up at the top of the Hollywood Hills and you would go onto his backyard and it was like the craziest science fiction movie ever.

[1889] Exactly.

[1890] You couldn't believe it was a real view, man. It was just all like Christmas lights all throughout the, you know, like the whole city in front of them.

[1891] It was amazing.

[1892] It was a view that I would wonder if I lived there if I ever got anything done.

[1893] I might just get out there every night and just stare like a fucking monkey.

[1894] You would hope so, but probably after two weeks you wouldn't even notice it.

[1895] There's no way.

[1896] I would notice it if I smoke weed.

[1897] I'm out there with a joint.

[1898] I'm going to look at that and go, God, damn, this is crazy.

[1899] But there you go.

[1900] You just hit the nail in the head.

[1901] Yeah.

[1902] That would be your way of getting rid of the hedonic adaptation, returning lustre and wonder to your experience.

[1903] People always say, why do you talk about weed so much, man?

[1904] It's kind of annoying.

[1905] You know, get annoying when you harp on weed so much Because it's worth talking about, man People talk about yoga Or people talk about how much they love their wine Oh, I love this 1975 Delicious red wine People are like, oh, a smoke potter, just taking up You're getting the wrong shit, kid Well, dude, you can use food to Nourish your body, you can use food to become morbidly obese So it's not the food's fault how you use it I'm tired of this bullshit society Not catching up Jason How do we get through this?

[1906] How do we get through this?

[1907] Well, I mean, I guess I'm just trying to make a contribution.

[1908] Well, you definitely doing that.

[1909] I'm putting forth memetic content to inspire people.

[1910] I think we do it.

[1911] Mementic, I never use our word.

[1912] Well, memetic, because I love the word meme.

[1913] It's beautiful.

[1914] I do too.

[1915] Yeah, and I think that, I don't know, I mean, Timothy Leary, Timothy Leary, when he used to call himself like a stand -up philosopher or a performing philosopher, it was this idea of embracing pop culture and competing in the marketplace of ideas.

[1916] So if you think that the marketplace of ideas could lead us astray, then contribute better ideas.

[1917] I mean, you're doing it.

[1918] You have 600 ,000 minds connected to your Twitter account.

[1919] Yeah.

[1920] That's, I mean, that's a wonderful opportunity for you to have fun, but also, man, like you're, you can create waves of positive, positive change.

[1921] You'd be, one of the things that's amazing is how nice people are on Twitter to me. Dude.

[1922] So nice.

[1923] I very rarely get douchebags.

[1924] Without a cable.

[1925] Without a cable.

[1926] you are tuned in to 600 ,000 minds.

[1927] Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

[1928] Just think of it.

[1929] It's an amazing, yeah, it's an amazing time.

[1930] And how many of them are watching this?

[1931] It's only like a couple thousand shit.

[1932] Ultimately, this would be on the iTunes.

[1933] It'll probably be like somewhere around a half a million.

[1934] Oh, that'll be fun.

[1935] Yeah, once it's all of our different points of distribution.

[1936] We have it on U -Stremeo.

[1937] Vimeo is the bomb.

[1938] Vimeo's great, beautiful video quality.

[1939] Yeah.

[1940] And, you know, we can put long ones on there.

[1941] Awesome.

[1942] No problems.

[1943] Then we call us Ustream hooks us up.

[1944] We have it available on Ustream.

[1945] And so we have it also in straight MP3 form.

[1946] Oh, good.

[1947] Just make it as easy as possible.

[1948] This is my favorite thing to do.

[1949] You're a podcast pioneer.

[1950] I mean, you.

[1951] No, I'm not.

[1952] How dare you?

[1953] People love, they love your stuff.

[1954] And it's amazing because you guys talk about so many different things.

[1955] But, you know, just as many people that have seen my videos and it be like, oh, my God, dude, you got to do something at TED.

[1956] Like, people watch the videos.

[1957] and they're like, oh my God, dude, Joe Rogan needs to see this.

[1958] Like, you...

[1959] That's funny.

[1960] This is a symptom of the Kim Kardashian era.

[1961] I'm right there.

[1962] I'm part of the problem.

[1963] I don't...

[1964] I think you're doing great.

[1965] No, I'm just kidding, man. I'm a big fan.

[1966] John Devorick.

[1967] Do you know who that guy is?

[1968] John C. Devorick?

[1969] No. He's a technology guy.

[1970] You know he is, Brian, right?

[1971] Oh, yeah, I know who he is.

[1972] He told me that I have to get Adam Curry on the podcast.

[1973] Because Adam Curry is the real podfather.

[1974] He's the guy who really created...

[1975] He's been doing it for a while.

[1976] He's the creative...

[1977] He's the creator, right?

[1978] Isn't he, didn't he help figure out how to make podcasts?

[1979] I don't know.

[1980] I think he's just one of the original members.

[1981] Yeah, I don't know why I'm saying this.

[1982] I feel like I read that he had something to do with the actual coding of the first podcast.

[1983] Probably.

[1984] Might not.

[1985] It might not be true.

[1986] Either way, he's like one of the originator.

[1987] So that guy's from tech TV, right?

[1988] John DeVark, yeah, he's the technology columnist, right?

[1989] Now he's still works with Twitter.

[1990] I've seen a bunch of his stuff.

[1991] The podcast allows the technology to actually get out of the way.

[1992] And what it does is it frees your mind.

[1993] That's why the technology is psychedelic.

[1994] Your mind is freed to roam from 600 ,000 minds to their minds, to their friends' minds and their friends' minds and their friends' minds.

[1995] You are freed by the podcast, by the tools.

[1996] I mean, think about that.

[1997] Think about how it expands the reach of each and every one of us.

[1998] And then it's up to what we say.

[1999] That will determine the size of the following and the influence, what you say.

[2000] Sure, yeah.

[2001] And whether you're not, you know, people want to hear real communication.

[2002] Real talk.

[2003] Real talk.

[2004] Don't you think I ain't got enough bullshit on my mind?

[2005] People want to hear people really communicating, and it's not enough of that going on.

[2006] I think people respond to authenticity.

[2007] Yeah, they respond to authenticity.

[2008] And it's a beautiful venue for any comedian or anybody who's looking to express himself or something like you or anybody that has an idea.

[2009] It's the most important thing is I just got to get this out there.

[2010] I don't want to go through all these different channels to get this out there.

[2011] I don't want to get it approved.

[2012] What do you say tonight?

[2013] Well, I'm going to say this.

[2014] You know, I think that.

[2015] Totally.

[2016] You have to transcend it.

[2017] All those rules and limitations no longer apply.

[2018] And, you know, eventually you'll have more impact in those, like, institutionalized forms of putting things out there.

[2019] Or they won't exist anymore.

[2020] Well, of course they're not going to exist anymore.

[2021] I mean, that's inevitable.

[2022] Yeah, the form of government that we enjoy in the future will have to be internet -based.

[2023] Unless there's something else becomes cooler than the internet.

[2024] No, dude, it's going to be like the libertarian utopias, the seesteading institute that's building those man -made islands where we can have, like, libertarian utopias for you of government control.

[2025] This has been a mind -blowing podcast.

[2026] This has been such a treat, guys.

[2027] I can't tell you how...

[2028] Thanks for hooking it up, dude.

[2029] Brian Hofty.

[2030] Brian hooked it up.

[2031] He hooked it up to the power of the internet.

[2032] The power of the internet.

[2033] Brian's the man, dude.

[2034] He's been very, very awesome and supportive.

[2035] It's fascinating ideas, man. I think you fucked a lot of people's heads sideways today.

[2036] A lot of people are on the train right now, headed home from work, going, God, damn.

[2037] Get out of their car, not knowing.

[2038] What the fuck to think?

[2039] Yeah, this is a double list and stuff.

[2040] slow it down by 50.

[2041] Yeah, this is one of those podcasts.

[2042] We try to interject some humor in there along the way, too, just to break it up a little because you're, you, you, there were so many ideas and you presented them so well and so quickly, you know, that was really enjoyable, man. You have a really good understanding of people's attention spans and of being, you know, enigmatic, and, you know, when you're doing these video clips, it's not just that you have great ideas, it's a you have great ideas that you figured out how to say with so much passion, enthusiasm, and it becomes really contagious.

[2043] top of it there's the perfect visuals and it's like really powerful stuff man i'm i'm honored that you came down and dude i'm honored that you have me dude thank you so much for your kindness and generosity you know what i'd be like that's the thing this is a collaborative it always is i mean we are now helping those ideas multiply and it's fun for all of us yeah this is a fun conversation i love the fact that i can meet someone like you and have these crazy talks it's just the coolest shit ever it's one of the real talk it's just one of the coolest things about the internet and this new world that we live in yeah So thank you very much for coming in here And if you can catch him on Twitter Follow him, it's Jason underscore Silva Jason underscore Silva on Twitter And please check out his Vimeo videos Just Google Jason Silva Vimeo It's really easy to find And they're fucking great And there's a how many of them 28?

[2044] I think there's like 20 plus videos 20 plus videos of enlightenment That's free and available on the internet God damn the world's an awesome place in 2012 Awesome Thank you very much for coming in Thank you brother thank you thank you both Thank you to the Flashlight for sponsoring our podcast Yes.

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[2064] Somebody actually says.

[2065] said this in one of the message board threads that I thought was really funny.

[2066] He goes, if Brian and Joe have been on Alphabrain for the last year, how come they don't seem any smarter?

[2067] I don't take it anymore.

[2068] Yeah, and you know what?

[2069] I might get too high before I do this podcast.

[2070] I'm going to tell you, there's a fine line between how I look and how I look now.

[2071] I look at myself and I'm like, dude, you're high as fuck.

[2072] That's ridiculous.

[2073] You should not be that high and talking to strangers.

[2074] So I apologize if I came off too high, but it was in fact -to -case.

[2075] I thought it was fantastic.

[2076] But I take AlphaBrain.

[2077] I do.

[2078] I love it.

[2079] It's the shit.

[2080] I wouldn't.

[2081] If I didn't believe in it, I wouldn't support it.

[2082] I don't make that much money from it.

[2083] I do it because I believe in it.

[2084] And I think it's an awesome company.

[2085] And I think the guy behind it, my friend Aubrey, is one of the coolest human beings on the planet.

[2086] And he has only the best intentions in mine.

[2087] And so do we.

[2088] So that's why I stand behind these products.

[2089] And that's why I stand behind the company.

[2090] And if I didn't believe in it, I wouldn't be attached to it.

[2091] Go to Joe Rogan.

[2092] Click on the link for Alphabrain, entering the code name Rogan, and you will get 10 % off.

[2093] All right, you fucking dirty freaks.

[2094] This show's over.

[2095] We'll be back tomorrow, though, with the Ice House Chronicles that you can only get on Desquod.

[2096] Top 5 on iTunes right now, bitches.

[2097] So go to the iTunes and subscribe to the Desquad.

[2098] It's the only way to get the Ice House Chronicles.

[2099] There will also be a show here tomorrow night at the Ice House in Pasadena.

[2100] Get tickets now.

[2101] Icehouse Comedy .com.

[2102] Yeah, because it's a really intimate setting.

[2103] It's only 85 seats, but the fucking lineup is dynamic.

[2104] We got Brian Callan.

[2105] My boy, Brian Callan is coming down.

[2106] One of my favorite comedians.

[2107] He's silly.

[2108] He's ridiculous.

[2109] On stage, so much different than his war -mongering side that you see on the podcast.

[2110] His Fox News representative.

[2111] I love that, dude.

[2112] I'm just kidding.

[2113] Al -Magical.

[2114] Brilliant Al -Magical, who is also now a correspondent for the Daily Show.

[2115] And I fucking love him to death.

[2116] He's hilarious.

[2117] I've been working with Al -Magel for, like, over a decade.

[2118] I worked with him in San Francisco in the old room of Cobbs, the 150 Cedar.

[2119] There.

[2120] History.

[2121] Brody.

[2122] Who else is going to be on?

[2123] Saratiana, Jason Tebow.

[2124] Saratiana.

[2125] Yeah, and there's Sam Tripoli might stop by.

[2126] Boom, Sam Tripoli as well.

[2127] And, of course, I'll close the show up.

[2128] And so that's it.

[2129] We'll see you there.

[2130] It's only 15 bucks.

[2131] And it's the coolest audience, too.

[2132] We've got a great vibe there.

[2133] So that's it, you fucking dirty freaks.

[2134] Thanks for coming in.

[2135] Thanks to Jason Silva.

[2136] Thanks to the universe for aligning things in such a prosperous way.

[2137] So everyone can be happy and bountiful.

[2138] In this land of the free.

[2139] And this strange world that we live in this global, universe in 2012.

[2140] That's right.

[2141] Awesome.

[2142] Praise Shiva.

[2143] Pray Shiva.