‘The Kids Are Casualties in a War’

[0] From New York Times, I'm Michael Mubaro.

[1] This is a daily.

[2] Over the past week, as Omicron infections surged, a high -stakes battle has played out in Chicago, again, between the city's mayor and its teachers' union, about whether it's safe or practical to keep schools open.

[3] Today, my colleagues Claire Tennisketter and Rob Zipko spoke with the students, teachers, and parents caught in the middle of the standoff.

[4] It's Thursday, January 13th.

[5] Hi, Sonia.

[6] Hi.

[7] Hi, can you hear me?

[8] Yes.

[9] So I would love to just start by like getting to know you a little bit, just introduce yourself for me. Okay.

[10] My name is Sonia Johnson.

[11] I'm a special ed teacher.

[12] I've been teaching in Chicago public schools for 21 years.

[13] And I've been teaching in a high school.

[14] for about 15 years.

[15] What has that been like in the recent past?

[16] So winter break, you know, COVID surges, infection rates just climb.

[17] You know, we were constantly watching the news and wondering, you know, if we were going to go remote, which we all were hoping we would go remote for safety reasons.

[18] But we came back Monday and, you know, classes were about 50 % full due to COVID.

[19] breaks.

[20] Our principal had COVID.

[21] She was out.

[22] Our dean, he also has COVID and was out.

[23] Serious just staffing issues.

[24] Teachers were asked to cover for other teachers who were absent, which I did missing my prep periods and my lunch period.

[25] I had a student in my class with all the symptoms of COVID, and she said, Ms. Johnson, you know, I feel really, really sick.

[26] You know, I have a sore throat.

[27] I have a cough.

[28] I feel like I'm like getting a fever.

[29] I mean, and she said, but I was tested negative for COVID.

[30] So can I just sit in the hallway?

[31] So I brought her downstairs looking for the nurse.

[32] And I'm like, how can I send this student home?

[33] You know, we cannot have any students with any symptoms, regardless of, you know, positive or negative COVID tests.

[34] So anyway, that's when I learned that we had no nurse because she, she was out with COVID, and that the principal assistant, because our principal's out with COVID, was now also doing the nurse job of, you know, communicating with students with symptoms and explaining, like, what the procedures and what they needed to do.

[35] And it's just been overwhelming.

[36] Now to the battle over remote learning for Chicago public schools.

[37] As COVID cases climb, many teachers say they want out of the classroom and soon.

[38] In fact, tomorrow, the Teachers Union is putting it to a vote.

[39] That vote is expected tomorrow.

[40] The Chicago Teachers Union expected to ask its members if they support staying out of the classroom and teaching remotely, starting as soon as Wednesday.

[41] The Chicago Teachers Union electronically polling its 25 ,000 members to gauge interest in this potential return to remote learning.

[42] The vote was done through our emails.

[43] We were for remote learning or not.

[44] The union proposes remote learning to take effect.

[45] Unless the COVID surge subsides or testing and safety measures in schools are improved.

[46] 73 % of the teachers union voted in favor of moving instruction to remote learning.

[47] The vast majority of us said yes that we wanted remote learning.

[48] Tonight city officials tried to persuade parents, students, and teachers that schools are safe.

[49] I'm urging teachers come to school, teach your kids.

[50] Your students need you.

[51] Mayor Lightfoot says the lessons of 20 and 2021 show the dangers of remote learning outweigh the dangers of COVID for students.

[52] And then the union finds out, we find out, everybody finds out that.

[53] Well, the rank and file members of the Chicago Teachers Union voted to temporarily switch to remote learning.

[54] Chicago public schools responding by canceling all classes after school activities and sports for today.

[55] We have city of Chicago and Mayor Lightfoot canceled classes.

[56] That was done.

[57] not our decision.

[58] That's not what we wanted.

[59] So we're just, like, stranded.

[60] Teachers and school administrators can't come to terms on resuming classroom instruction.

[61] The union calling conditions unsafe, demanding more testing and better masks, but the mayor accusing teachers of an illegal work stoppage.

[62] I will not allow them to take our children hostage.

[63] I will not allow them to compromise the future of this generation of CPS students.

[64] That is not going to happen.

[65] We've been failed by the mayor, we've been failed by the public health office, and teachers on the school staff have decided we have, the only thing that we get control is whether we go into the buildings.

[66] It's very upsetting, you know, it's, you know, really just stupid is what it is.

[67] So my name is Lillian Alfaro.

[68] I am a parent of a second grader, a fourth grader, a sixth grader, and an eighth grader.

[69] So how did you feel sending your kids off to school on Monday?

[70] So I felt okay sending them back to school, but there was only like five students in the classroom.

[71] For that reason, my daughter's like, you know, nobody's coming to school.

[72] Something is really wrong.

[73] And this is my eighth grader.

[74] So she said she kind of, you know, sat herself at a table, you know, closer to the corner where she was going to be alone.

[75] And she came home that day on Monday and she said, I don't feel safe.

[76] I don't want to go back.

[77] She said, I know that there's a lot of my friends that are, you know, currently have COVID and it's just, it's scary.

[78] And are you vaccinated?

[79] Are your kids vaccinated?

[80] We are not vaccinated?

[81] Not that I'm against vaccines because they obviously had to get vaccinated in order to be in school since they were babies.

[82] But I just, I have my different mixed emotions about the COVID vaccine.

[83] So I guess when the time comes, if it's going to be, you know, to the point where it's mandatory for them to have to go to school, then I guess we would have another choice.

[84] But for now, I think we kind of just take them more natural route.

[85] And thankfully, we have been okay.

[86] My kids have not been sick.

[87] I have not been sick.

[88] So then tell me about how you learn about school being closed.

[89] So I got an email from the school.

[90] I, first of all, told my kids, and they felt a sign of relief.

[91] And I completely understand because they're the ones that are in the school and have to experience, you know, what's going on.

[92] But my first thing was, what am I supposed to do to be able to go to work?

[93] Because I'm a single parent and I obviously have to work to support my kids.

[94] Um, now it's just, you know, I am overwhelmed all over again.

[95] It's just, it's hard.

[96] check check check okay so this is rob zipgo i'm a producer on the daily and i'm here in chicago illinois it's thursday january 6th afternoon pretty clear freezing winter day and i'm in a quiet kind of residential neighborhood um walking over to the school here gonna see if anyone's here excuse me would you guys have a minute I'm from the New York Times yeah yeah cool um do you guys work at the school yeah we do okay um would you mind tell me your name and what you do I'm Kyle Venetanum I am a special education teacher at Rogers here cool what about you I'm Chris Cormier I'm a physical education teacher here at Rogers so what do you kind of make of the current tension between the mayor and the again.

[97] It's frustrating.

[98] I'm a parent.

[99] I've been a teacher for 21 years in CPS, so I understand, I do get both sides of it.

[100] At the end of the day, everyone in this building wants to be back.

[101] We want students back in the building.

[102] We want it to be in a safe way.

[103] And it's scary.

[104] Like when you know, you know, this new strain, the Omicron strain, my son's already had it, his entire baseball team has had it.

[105] I mean, everyone knows multiple, multiple people that are positive right now.

[106] So it is scary and I don't think um you know I understand why the union needs to take a stand and and in order to get action done we've had to be very aggressive with the steps that we take to get CPS to listen so and on the on the flip side I get the frustration that parents feel like oh my god here we go again um when is this going to stop so we want to get back in the building as soon as we can and do it in a way that we can all agree or at least come close to agreeing that we're doing it in a safe way.

[107] So you said you want to get back in the building.

[108] Did you vote to do remote on Tuesday night or did you vote to be in person?

[109] I voted to be in person.

[110] And why did you vote for that?

[111] I've already been positive with the virus.

[112] I got it at the beginning of the year and likely had the delta strain.

[113] My son, like he just had it the first week of break.

[114] Likely it was the Omicron strain.

[115] So I guess the fear for me, I'm that.

[116] I'm boosted, so if I do get it, I know it's going to be pretty mild.

[117] So that was my personal vote, my personal decision.

[118] Do I think we can continue to add measures to make it better and safer?

[119] Absolutely.

[120] So I voted to be here in person, but I totally understand and respect, you know, my colleagues that voted the opposite.

[121] So did you also vote to be in person?

[122] Yes.

[123] Like Kyle said, you know, I also got COVID back in 2020.

[124] I still went out, got fully vaccinated, just got my booster shot.

[125] I feel great.

[126] I'm ready to teach.

[127] I want to be here because people need to understand that educators.

[128] We're also frontline workers.

[129] We're here.

[130] We're here to help the community.

[131] So a lot of my decision was based on that.

[132] And also timing, like I have two toddlers at home and I needed to help my wife.

[133] And, you know, it puts us in a really awkward position when, you're finding out, hey, there's no school tomorrow.

[134] And I also have a middle school age son.

[135] And I've seen that remote learning doesn't work for him.

[136] He did much better with in -person instruction.

[137] He was failing his classes and he's a bright kid.

[138] But when he's in person and working with teachers like Kyle and all the people and resources that he has in the building, it's just a better environment for him.

[139] So, what do you kind of see as like the tradeoffs?

[140] What's the like kind of short term and the long term of the impact that this is having on teachers and on students?

[141] Well, I think it's putting everybody in between a rock and a hard place.

[142] You have one group that throws a rock and then the other group throws another rock and then parents are looking at, well, what's going on here?

[143] You know, we have a bunch of rock throwing.

[144] And these are supposed to be our leaders within our city and in our community.

[145] and I think it just has to come down to thinking about what is the solution and getting to a solution.

[146] And in my opinion, I feel like you have to be vaccinated for measles, mumps, polio, everything else.

[147] We need to add COVID to the list and we need to have it enforced, in my opinion.

[148] You both said that your parents, what did you do for like child care the past couple days?

[149] My wife is a nurse.

[150] So she works out in Lincolnshire.

[151] So she works back to back 16 hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday.

[152] So she's home.

[153] I have two toddlers at home.

[154] And what we decided to do for our community is we had a bunch of our friends call us say, hey, you know, I don't want to get in trouble at work.

[155] I have to report to work.

[156] So just me and my wife, we opened up our home.

[157] So I think she's watching like, seven or eight kids today by yourself and you know she's awesome yeah and we're unable at this the answer is we can't take our kids into the building right now so um yeah it's a difficult situation because i don't feel like the union 100 % represents every individual teacher and i feel the same about cps so it's kind of that middle ground and it really it's it's an individual decision to you know stay home or to if they need to go into the building that's their decision.

[158] And you know, you've got to respect their reasons.

[159] You don't have to agree with it, but they have their reasons for doing it.

[160] So it's just, you know, it's kind of getting comfortable with living in this new, you know, pandemic period that we're living through.

[161] All right.

[162] Stay warm, guys.

[163] We'll be right back.

[164] For a third day, classes are canceled for Chicago's more than 300 ,000 public school students.

[165] The latest Chicago Teachers Union proposal rejected in part tonight by Mayor Lori Lightfoot.

[166] You know the way teachers see that?

[167] We see it as bullying.

[168] We see this as an attempt to dictate all the terms and not listen to the people who are actually in there trying to make schools to make education work.

[169] What I won't do is allow the teachers union to politicize this surge or the pandemic in general.

[170] People are nervous.

[171] They are scared.

[172] We get that.

[173] But the thing to do is to lean in to the facts and the science and not abandon them in a panic.

[174] Yes.

[175] Hi, this is Claire from the New York Times.

[176] How's it going?

[177] I'm doing good.

[178] My name is Quentin Randall?

[179] Quentin?

[180] Yeah.

[181] Tell me some basics about yourself.

[182] So, yeah, I co -parent with my son's mother, my son is Quentin Randall as well.

[183] He attends McDade, which is a classical school, gift of school here in Chicago.

[184] Okay.

[185] He's a first grader.

[186] So, I mean, this close.

[187] is challenging, and I just don't want these interruptions to really make him be like, okay, I could just stay home, and I like this better now.

[188] Like, we don't even really have a lesson plan to follow.

[189] So I just kind of been having him do a little bit of everything just so he could, you know, stay in the mode of working.

[190] Right.

[191] Well, I'd love to get back to this moment, but I want to hear about the kind of trajectory of your son's education.

[192] If he's in first grade now in 2022, he was.

[193] just starting school when COVID hit, right?

[194] Yes.

[195] So tell me about his 2020 school year first.

[196] It was a lot.

[197] You literally telling a five, six -year -old kid to, hey, pay attention to a computer screen while he's maybe in a room with toys or a gaming system.

[198] So it's so easy to get distracted.

[199] I mean, simple thing is, like, you're on a computer.

[200] So now you could go and play a game.

[201] Like he was big into Roblox.

[202] One time I was, he asked me a question about something about download.

[203] I knew it was like, I had nothing to do with class.

[204] Now look, and he was downloading something new for Roblox.

[205] And I'm like, no, this is not what you're supposed to be doing.

[206] Or he'd be like, day, I finished the assignment already.

[207] So now, like, it's like, oh, what do I say you do?

[208] You actually done, what you're supposed to be doing?

[209] I mean, you could either let your kid be done and just let them do whatever until the next assignment because they do have more breaks during e -learning.

[210] Or you can try to keep them busy.

[211] And I prefer to keep them busy because I never want to give them out the mode of this is how learning is.

[212] Because once he get that break time, it's hard to snap a kid back and be like, hey, now I'm trying to learn again.

[213] It's just like, it's a lot.

[214] Because I don't want any dips or anything in his foundation as far as education.

[215] What do you mean by that?

[216] It's like, he's in first grade, so like I know how big this time is and important it is for him as far as education goes.

[217] But the fact that he was at home with the online learning is like even more pressure to make sure there's no slip -ups, no cracks in the foundation, to make sure that basically I'm doing my job to make sure my child doesn't fall.

[218] because, I mean, that's how my mother did with me. I was like two or three years old, and she ordered her don't phonics, you know, for me. So I was going to read, and my kindergarten teachers were exceptional.

[219] I still remember them.

[220] My pre -K teacher, we're friends on Facebook.

[221] So I had exceptional teachers.

[222] I remember my mom would hate, like, she would love and hate when it was book fair time, because one of my big books, the Goosebump series, R .L. Stein, so I was, like, reading through the whole goosebumps here.

[223] Like, every time a book dropped, I wanted to get it.

[224] Like, it was one of those things, like, he's happy, but, man, you're running through my pockets every time with these books.

[225] So, like, I was, yeah, I was heavy, like, a heavy reader.

[226] Asked a lot of questions, just like my son.

[227] all one of those kids that learned the new word and wanted to use it in every way possible so like but it all started from the foundation my mom laid so like when you lay a good foundation whether it's education morals anything like that it'll always be there in the back of your brain it don't turn off what she did for me translated to why I do for my son because them first the first years up until the preteen years those are important I say this a lot, it's hard to find someone in Chicago who grew up in the inner city that's not in some way or another affiliate with the streets.

[228] I mean, you're going to always have Igo time, but too much Igo time is, you're a kid, you're curious.

[229] You might not even be bad.

[230] You just want to see, hey, if I do this, what would happen?

[231] So you just don't want them to want, you don't want them to get too used to this amount of free time.

[232] And then they get in school and it'd be a problem.

[233] So that was my whole, me and his mom whole thought process for e -learnings.

[234] So then how were you feeling over winter break as you saw Omicron hit the city of Chicago and as you saw numbers rise in COVID cases?

[235] I thought it would be a possible maybe an e -learning situation.

[236] What's been in a situation now where there's no learning?

[237] Well, that's not what I was expecting.

[238] I just feel like the kids are in the, like, are casualties in the war between, between, they're calling the politics and they're the casualties of the war.

[239] I mean, I used to have a union job, so I'm very aware of what it means to be in the union, the good and the bad of the union.

[240] And I just wish that, you know, that the mayor, could be some resolve.

[241] Like, if not, I don't feel the the urgency to resolve and leave kids, especially in a city such in Chicago that does have violence and kids need to be in school.

[242] They need to be in their education and learning and finding ways to not be, you know, the song is the place.

[243] I don't mind is the playground for the devil.

[244] This is how it's going to go, I believe.

[245] The Igo mind is a playground for the devil.

[246] You're having kids not doing anything.

[247] Yeah, hello.

[248] Oh, hello.

[249] Hi, this is Addy?

[250] Yes.

[251] My name is Adikis Patel.

[252] I am a junior in high school, and I live in the north side of Chicago.

[253] How do you think your classmates would describe you?

[254] classmates would describe me as quiet, but I do get my work done.

[255] When I got into high school, I didn't know anybody there because I'd come from an elementary school where it was K through 8th, and I know everybody for nine years.

[256] So going to high school was like a totally different experience, and I thought it was amazing.

[257] New people, the classes are very different.

[258] I into remote learning was really tough because then I don't have I didn't get to I didn't get to see my friends anymore I didn't get to have the experience of being in high school and waking up and like getting ready for the remote learning I just feel very lazy like I don't want to do any of this I guess I can miss that assignment and I guess I can miss that one made me feel like a little a little hopeless.

[259] Like, you know, I guess we won't ever get back into, uh, in -person learning.

[260] Mm -hmm.

[261] How long total were you remote?

[262] Um, one and a half years.

[263] Wow.

[264] So then how did you feel in September 2021 when you go back to school in person for the first time?

[265] Oh, it was nerve -wracking.

[266] It was, it was, I was a little nervous because I haven't seen my friends in a while.

[267] I didn't actually been in school so I for I kind of forgotten like oh I need to take a shower I need to get dressed I need to get ready for school and all I got out of bed you know brush my teeth got ready I put a shower and put on some new clothes and I walked out the door with a backpack and you know I had to line up to get into the school you know go through the metal detector and I hadn't done that in a while I was like wow this is really cool and then I had to find my my new classes get to see some old teachers some old friends and I sat down for my first few classes and I was like wow this is amazing I actually got to be in class you know everybody was wearing a mess I couldn't see their face but it was still it was still amazing and I got more motivated to do my homework because now I'm actually in school, rather than on a computer, I actually got to talk to some people like, oh, what did you do for this question?

[268] Oh, okay.

[269] Thank you.

[270] So it was, it was, it was really comforting and really helpful to be back in school.

[271] A lot of motivation, lots of less hopelessness.

[272] What have you been doing while you've been at home?

[273] I've just been resting.

[274] I'm kind of, I'm kind of.

[275] of, you know, restless because I'm so used to waking up early in going to school.

[276] I'm waiting, you know, like, what's going to happen next?

[277] Are we going to do remote learning?

[278] Are we going to do in -class learning?

[279] Good evening.

[280] A very big update tonight after days and days of negotiations.

[281] Both sides finally have come to an agreement.

[282] The teachers' union did not get the remote learning.

[283] It demanded, but as other desires were met with this new, plan.

[284] This remote work action was about securing more safety for our school community and accountability that those safety measures would be there.

[285] This set us back, but no obstacle is insurmountable.

[286] I'm convinced at that.

[287] But we've got to stay focused on what's most important, and that's our kids, being in person.

[288] So moving forward, teachers will return to the classrooms across the district today, and classes will resume in person starting tomorrow.

[289] morning.

[290] Excuse me, do you have a minute?

[291] Would you mind if I ask your son a couple questions?

[292] Go ahead.

[293] How does it feel to be back at school today?

[294] Now, there are two feelings.

[295] One, because we're back to school, there are some positive things like being able to see your school friends.

[296] However, there's like, of course, this balance if you're in remote or if you're in person.

[297] So, like, in person, you have an easy, time learning and the work is much harder, but it's the direct opposite in remote.

[298] So I sort of feel somewhat better in the school, but I'll just have to wait and see.

[299] Is there anything that you're like worried about?

[300] COVID numbers, yes, because we have, because we, this is already like the third time we've went remote.

[301] So, um, yeah, so we never know like when the number.

[302] are going to rise.

[303] Like you're kind of wondering is there going to be another shutdown at some point?

[304] Yes.

[305] What are you most looking forward to today?

[306] Going back home.

[307] Really?

[308] Yes, going back home.

[309] Is there anything about the school day that you're looking forward to?

[310] And just hoping for the best that they give some fun schoolwork.

[311] How are you feeling today now that school's back open?

[312] Honestly, I'm glad that it's back open.

[313] I work two jobs and I'm glad that I'm able to go back.

[314] to normal schedule, drop my kid off, get ready for work.

[315] So it's a huge relief, huge relief.

[316] I'm very relieved.

[317] Kind of like I get relieved.

[318] I'm happy about it.

[319] Going back to normal is something I think that everybody wants to have happened.

[320] Does it feel like normal today?

[321] Is that how it feels?

[322] Well, the new normal.

[323] You dropped off some students here today?

[324] I dropped off my daughter just now.

[325] And how did that feel?

[326] Well, I'm a little anxious about it, you know?

[327] Anxious, like what are you anxious about?

[328] anxious about her contracting something, bringing it home, spreading it, and then that being spread to other people and all, by the time you get the results, God knows how many other people have been contaminated with that.

[329] But yeah, I mean, still a concern, but you just try to be your best to keep healthy, and we did all weekend, took our vaccinations, and just hope for the best.

[330] Where do you think it'll go from here?

[331] Oh, gosh, I have no idea.

[332] I have no idea.

[333] You don't really feel like this issue has been, like, put to rest or anything?

[334] No, no, not at all.

[335] No, no. So you're feeling pretty good that, like, school's going to stay open for the rest of school year?

[336] Honestly, I don't know.

[337] I'm uncertain about it because they were so quick to just shut it down and then leave it closed for so many days.

[338] So I don't know.

[339] It's a big, it's a gamble right now.

[340] But I hope so.

[341] I hope so.

[342] We'll be right back.

[343] Here's what else you need to another day.

[344] On Wednesday, federal data showed that America's inflation problem is getting worse.

[345] Consumer prices rose 7 % in December compared with a year ago.

[346] The fastest increase in four decades.

[347] The White House had predicted that inflation would quickly subside, but instead, the latest wave of the pandemic has further slowed the U .S. supply chain, created shortages, and as a result, kept prices high on everything from food to furniture.

[348] And...

[349] I think it's hard to process.

[350] what's actually happening right now, which is most people are going to get COVID.

[351] In testimony before the Senate, the head of the Food and Drug Administration, Janet Woodcock, predicted that most Americans will be infected by COVID -19 in the current phase of the pandemic.

[352] Woodcock said that recognizing that reality and planning for it is essential.

[353] What we need to do is make sure the hospitals can still function.

[354] transportation, you know, other essential services are not disrupted while this happens.

[355] Today's episode was produced by Claire Tennis Ketter and Rob Zipko with help from Diana Wynne.

[356] It was edited by Lisa Chow, contains original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lazzano, and was engineered by Marion Lazzano.

[357] Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsberg of Wonderly.

[358] That's it for the daily.

[359] I'm Michael Bobarro.

[360] See you tomorrow.