Celebrity Hometowns with Phoebe Bridgers

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[1] And welcome.

[2] And welcome.

[3] To my favorite murder.

[4] The Celebrity Hometown Edition.

[5] Where we talked to our really popular friends about their own hometowns and stuff that got them into true crime or out of true crime or near true crime.

[6] That's right.

[7] It's very exciting this week because we have such a famous friend on the Zoom.

[8] We do.

[9] A highly famous friend.

[10] She's killing it.

[11] That's right.

[12] You guys, it's Phoebe Bridgers.

[13] Yeah.

[14] Hi.

[15] I'm so excited to be here.

[16] Thank you guys.

[17] I've been listening for a long time, so this is pretty sweet for me. Now, Phoebe, is that the kind of thing a lot of musicians do on the road is they turn to podcasts in their times of travel and isolation?

[18] Would you say?

[19] Yeah, because there are days on tour where you couldn't pay me to hear more.

[20] more music, you know?

[21] So you just walk.

[22] It's weird because I have, I feel like I have associations with this show in specific cities that the murders aren't based in.

[23] Like I, I remember exactly where I was when you talked about, like, the, was it the Led Zeppelin concert?

[24] Oh, yeah.

[25] The Who.

[26] It was The Who.

[27] Oh, right.

[28] Oh, it was The Who.

[29] Yeah.

[30] I was walking in Rhode Island.

[31] So I, like, I just have, like, weird pictures of things.

[32] along with episodes, which is strange.

[33] That's very cool.

[34] It's so weird to be in a musician's head since we have songs that we associate with certain places and like to have a podcast, sometimes correct, sometimes not correct podcasts in your head.

[35] I've honored to be there.

[36] Yeah.

[37] Yeah, it's great.

[38] It's great.

[39] What else do you do when you're on the road?

[40] Like, how do you kind of fill that time aside from podcasts?

[41] Is there anything you want to share with us?

[42] Well, COVID was weird.

[43] Like, I just got off tour.

[44] Yeah.

[45] And you're in such a bubble.

[46] I mean, like, obviously, it's great to be safe, but if the health of the entire tour rests on every individual, like, we weren't allowed to go to restaurants.

[47] Yeah.

[48] We're all, like, so respectful of each other.

[49] And, you know, curbside coffee pickup is the closest to an adventure you can do.

[50] Wow.

[51] That's a huge change, right?

[52] Yeah.

[53] Yeah.

[54] Yeah.

[55] Because I feel like mostly you pick an errand and you, you're, you know, you make it take all day on tour because you just need like an excuse for some alone time or something.

[56] Yeah.

[57] So yeah, lots of, lots of just like aimless wandering.

[58] And we all got a lot closer and stuff.

[59] Mark, who is my guitar tech handmade, like 3D printed a board game.

[60] Whoa.

[61] Because he's a fucking nerd and everybody played it like in hotel rooms.

[62] Oh, I love that.

[63] It kind of is like D &D, I feel like, is what it, like, it's, it's kind of like role play game.

[64] So.

[65] He just made up an entire role play game on his own as, while doing his hard job.

[66] He was like, let me go quickly over.

[67] Wow.

[68] Very rock and roll.

[69] That's very rock and roll.

[70] That's so cool.

[71] Are the audiences, do you feel how much more excited they are to be at a public venue watching music comparatively?

[72] Oh, yeah.

[73] Yeah.

[74] It's crazy.

[75] I mean, there's, it's just, it's also like, I don't think I was expecting as young a demographic because I feel like I've opened for a lot of people and I'd been on my own tour, but they were all kind of like people my age, I feel like was my thing.

[76] And then I think I, like, I saw so many kids where it's like their first concert or like the last concert they went to was with their parents.

[77] Wow.

[78] And people like dress up all crazy.

[79] It was so, it was so, different from what I expected.

[80] Like, I feel like when I was a kid, it, like, wasn't cool to dance.

[81] It wasn't cool to, like, try hard.

[82] Like, you tried to, it was, like, indie grime, I feel like was so popular when I was a teenager.

[83] Yeah.

[84] And now it's like, you're allowed to come to a concert with, like, crazy glitter all over your face and with your five friends.

[85] And it's just so, it's so cool.

[86] Like, enthusiasm is cool again somehow.

[87] Exactly.

[88] Like, like, earnesty is cool.

[89] Yeah.

[90] Which is all.

[91] Oh, Ernesty.

[92] That's your next album.

[93] Ernestine.

[94] How about Ernestty goes to camp?

[95] Oh, that's amazing.

[96] Should we drop the bomb that Phoebe, you and I dressed up as the same thing for Halloween?

[97] We literally did.

[98] I was Megan Fox and my boyfriend was Machine Gun Kelly for Halloween.

[99] Yes.

[100] I got to see the picture.

[101] Yeah, did.

[102] Did you do a wig or?

[103] I did.

[104] I went to Party City like two days before the party.

[105] and bought a wig that was one of the last, basically, like, long, sexy hair is what it said on the front.

[106] And the girl, when I got up to the counter, the girl was like, she held it up and very slowly said, you can't return this after today.

[107] And I was like, okay, like, I don't, what are you doing?

[108] And then I took it home and took it out of the bag and someone had absolutely worn it before.

[109] It smelled like someone else.

[110] It was a little bit like, I had to brush it out.

[111] It had been used.

[112] And also they trim the bangs a little bit.

[113] Ew.

[114] So I just kind of like, I just kind of looked at it and I was like, shit.

[115] Oh, well.

[116] Oh my God.

[117] And bangs are historically inaccurate too for Megan Fox.

[118] I had to cover them.

[119] I had to fold the longer hair over the bangs.

[120] Otherwise, no one would know who you were.

[121] Yeah, exactly.

[122] It would be like, we don't get it.

[123] We don't get, which no one did.

[124] No one had any idea what I was doing.

[125] because I wore the long wig and then I wore fox ears.

[126] So I was like really giving them the hint.

[127] And then I brought my dog Frank and he was supposed to be a machine gone Kelly.

[128] But, you know, because he had a studded collar on.

[129] That's so rad.

[130] No one got it.

[131] Yeah, I feel like I became, I don't know how you felt, but I became a completely different person.

[132] Yeah.

[133] Like I was my own alter ego.

[134] Right.

[135] Like I made out with my friend Lucy.

[136] we're like not even very physically affectionate with each other in real life and we've known each other for so long and we just were like, why have we never made out?

[137] I love it.

[138] So stupid.

[139] Oh my God, friend.

[140] I miss days of, I feel like that's such a 20s thing is like make out with your friend, your best friend at a party.

[141] Like that's just like, that made me miss parties.

[142] That's how you party.

[143] No, I need to every, like everybody who saw me that night, like I need to hand out some NDAs for sure.

[144] And like nip, slip, constant.

[145] Yes.

[146] You looked really different, though.

[147] The wig was like a life changer.

[148] It really was a complete image changer for you.

[149] No, nobody knew who I was.

[150] Yeah.

[151] Like, I went to my friend's Halloween party, and I could tell that she was like, hi, how's it going?

[152] Like, I'm supposed to know who this person is.

[153] And I was like, it's Phoebe.

[154] Like, literally didn't know you were Phoebe.

[155] Yeah.

[156] They didn't not know you were Megan Fox.

[157] They like didn't know who you were.

[158] They did not know I was myself.

[159] Hell yeah.

[160] Yeah.

[161] You got to take advantage.

[162] Yeah.

[163] It's the best.

[164] I love that.

[165] Dream Halloween.

[166] Yeah.

[167] No, it was great.

[168] I love it.

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[190] All right, should we do this?

[191] Yeah.

[192] I can't wait to hear, as like someone who actually listens, it's really exciting to hear your take on this.

[193] Yeah, well, I did not.

[194] heed any advice because I feel like you guys talk a lot about how like, oh, it's supposed to be fun and this is like the opposite of fun what I picked.

[195] No, great.

[196] We don't need fun.

[197] No, not at all.

[198] It's so fucking dark.

[199] It's so dark.

[200] And it's like the I feel like it's the general definition of a hometown.

[201] It's not my hometown.

[202] Great.

[203] But I was playing with city and color.

[204] I was opening acoustic with my friend Marshall, who plays drums for me. And if you don't know, Citting Color are like a folk band.

[205] Like, they're fun and, like, so sweet.

[206] And it was the last night of this tour that I'd had a great time.

[207] And I walk into this club in Albuquerque called the Sunshine Theater.

[208] And, yeah, it's, like, supposed to be fun.

[209] It's, like, your last night.

[210] And it just, like, it was totally off.

[211] It just felt, like, like, later in the night, for example, like someone broke a bottle over somebody's head.

[212] Whoa.

[213] And again, it's like if you did that at a fucking, like me concert, it's just so, it's so off.

[214] Like, sitting in color are fokey.

[215] Like, it makes no fucking sense.

[216] Like, get your shit together.

[217] But it was just weird.

[218] Like, people were too drunk and it was creepy.

[219] And then, like, when we got in the backstage, I was like, why does this feel so fucking weird?

[220] And I then was, like, immediately, embarrassed because I saw that someone who worked at the venue was right behind me. And like, you know, you don't, nobody wants to know that their venue feels weird.

[221] Yeah.

[222] So I was like, why does this feel so weird?

[223] And this woman goes, well, obviously it feels weird.

[224] Like, are you talking about what happened?

[225] Oh, no. And I was like, uh, I was like, what do you mean?

[226] And then she told me this story.

[227] Oh, my God.

[228] And I haven't stopped thinking about it.

[229] Oh, my God.

[230] I'm nervous.

[231] So Marissa Matthews -Wifler was a 16 -year -old girl from Santa Fe, New Mexico.

[232] She had dreams of becoming a fashion designer.

[233] She made all her own clothes at school.

[234] She wore her own clothes that she made, which is just like, we all knew that girl.

[235] She was so cool.

[236] Yeah.

[237] Like, everybody's jealous.

[238] She made her own prom dress.

[239] And she was part of the Gay Street Alliance.

[240] Like, just awesome.

[241] Everybody said she was, like, the sweetest girl ever.

[242] And she was a huge, huge, huge atmosphere fan, which is so sweet.

[243] Like, so fun.

[244] And so on Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, Marissa and her friends went to see Atmosphere at the Sunshine Theater in Albuquerque, which is where I played.

[245] And she was dancing barefoot, like having a blast with a bunch of other people doing that.

[246] But she cut her foot on a piece of broken glass, which is also strange because I just said someone broke a bunch of glass at the show.

[247] Yeah.

[248] Yeah.

[249] So she cut her foot open, and she's like, you guys, I got to go fix this, but they're all having a blast and dancing.

[250] So she goes off to, you know, figure it out by herself.

[251] And then nobody sees her again for the rest of the night.

[252] And they're not with an adult.

[253] I don't think she was even supposed to go to the show.

[254] And they drove pretty far.

[255] So they wait for like an hour, no cell phones.

[256] So they have to go home and just immediately they tell their parents.

[257] But it's been kind of a long time.

[258] And they put up flyers and they report her missing.

[259] and everybody's freaking out.

[260] And, like, everybody assumes for the next couple of days that she must have been abducted from the theater, but three days after she vanished, the police received an anonymous tip that led them to search the venue instead.

[261] And there, they found the body of a young girl who was completely nude except for a tank top, which was wrapped around her neck, and it was confirmed to be Marissa, and the cause of death was strangulation.

[262] Oh, my God.

[263] How fucked up is this?

[264] Yeah.

[265] The tip also led police to look into 22 -year -old Dominic Acres, a six -foot -tall, 380 -pound man who worked as a janitor at the venue.

[266] And when police question him, he immediately confesses.

[267] Oh, God.

[268] Holy shit.

[269] And the tip came from his dad.

[270] No way.

[271] Oh, man. Yeah, it's so bad.

[272] So Dominic tells police that he told Marissa he was a security guard and offered to help her with her foot injury and offered to introduce her to slug the atmosphere member she had a crush on which is the worst part of it.

[273] Evil.

[274] He led her upstairs to the projection room in the back of the theater.

[275] He raped and strangled her.

[276] He left her body in the projection room and then the next day moved it to a storage area and covered the entrance with a vending machine and that's where she was found.

[277] Wow.

[278] But this is where it gets just like it's just, yeah, it keeps me up.

[279] at night because one year before the concert, Dominic pled guilty to raping and molesting his four -year -old relative, which should have sent him to prison for 33 years.

[280] But in July 2002, district judge Ross Sanchez agreed to suspend his sentence and instead it gave him five years probation.

[281] What?

[282] From 30 years to five years probation.

[283] Yeah.

[284] For child rate.

[285] For child rate.

[286] Yeah, for child rate.

[287] Meanwhile, like people obviously are in prison for, like, weed.

[288] Yes.

[289] It's just so, it's so bullshit.

[290] And then the venue and they hired him didn't take the, like, you know, cost like a couple bucks to do a background check and it would have taken like five minutes to do.

[291] And they didn't do a background check.

[292] So Marissa's parents end up suing the Sunshine Theater for negligence because a bunch of people saw her clearly intoxicated, dancing around needing help.

[293] and nobody did anything.

[294] Nobody said anything.

[295] So Dominic pled guilty to first -degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, plus 37 years for Marissa's murder, as well as 33 years for violating probation when he killed her.

[296] He is currently serving his sentence in New Mexico.

[297] He was quoted saying he had to kill her because he didn't want to go back to jail.

[298] When were you there?

[299] Yeah, I was going to say, compared to this crime, when were you feeling the vibe?

[300] I played...

[301] What, Marsh, what year was that?

[302] That must have been 20, 2015 or 16?

[303] Wow.

[304] Wait, this is Googlable.

[305] Do you ever wonder out loud?

[306] Easily find out of both facts?

[307] So like over 10 years later, and you walk in this venue and you're like, something is fucking off here and you just immediately had bad vibes from it that much later.

[308] I could say that it's because it was like haunted or creepy or something, but really I just meant like too many drums.

[309] people too early.

[310] Like I wasn't, I wasn't saying like, oh my God, this venue is so fucking haunted.

[311] It was like, hmm, these vibes are weird.

[312] And then the woman like kind of jumps the gun and it's like, well, you know what happened.

[313] Yeah.

[314] What year was it?

[315] Okay, 2016.

[316] So over 10 years later.

[317] Wow.

[318] But it is almost still this like, this vibe of negative, like people are drinking too much more than they should.

[319] They're fighting at a, at a music very.

[320] and you, you know, instead of, it's like not a fucking honky tonk.

[321] And I feel like you still picked up on these, like, something is off for everybody here.

[322] Yeah, at a fucking folk concert.

[323] It's like, grow up people.

[324] Yeah, yeah.

[325] So immediately following Marissa's murder, Marissa's friends and family began pressuring local politicians to pass new laws that would have prevented her murder.

[326] Two bills were put into place in New Mexico, Marissa's Sunshine Law, which required that sex offenders on probation must notify their employers, which is crazy that that wasn't true before.

[327] Right.

[328] And Marissa's law, which reformed laws dealing with sex offenders, including mandatory minimum prison and parole sentences, as well as increased treatment.

[329] Wow.

[330] Which is so cool.

[331] But I think it's so sad when, like, sorry to like keep going about this.

[332] No, no, do it.

[333] I think it's so sad that, like, if you were to glean a lesson from this, it's like, don't have fun and don't trust people who work at the venue.

[334] Right.

[335] Like, that's, that shouldn't be a lesson that anyone should have to learn.

[336] Right.

[337] Like, those poor friends, the poor dad, like Dominic, the murderer's dad, like, are you kidding me?

[338] Yeah, like, there's so many, there are so many survivors and, like, sad stories in this.

[339] Totally.

[340] Yeah.

[341] Oh, I hate it.

[342] Wow.

[343] The stories that are so horrible and awful that then something comes out of them, which is keeping other people safe in the future is like the only silver lining we can look for.

[344] And I'm like, that's great.

[345] Yeah, totally.

[346] And then there's this amazing charity called Calling All Crows, which is a nonprofit that I heard about forever ago because I don't know about you guys, but like, I had totally creepy experiences at concerts.

[347] And a lot of the time you're like going kind of behind your parents back and nobody knows where you are.

[348] Yes, totally.

[349] And like if somebody fucks with you at a concert, like you're totally on your own.

[350] Yeah, right.

[351] So this charity called Calling All Crows.

[352] It's a nonprofit, and it's trained over 3 ,000 musicians, venue, and festival staff about, like, prevention and response for sexual violence.

[353] Wow.

[354] Which is so cool.

[355] Yeah.

[356] So I thought, you know, you guys do this a lot, which I love.

[357] But I thought I'd make a donation in Maris's name today for calling all crows.

[358] Beautiful.

[359] That would be cool and nice.

[360] That is amazing.

[361] Georgia, we should do the exact same thing.

[362] Yeah, match it.

[363] We'll match it.

[364] And we'll all donate to it.

[365] love that.

[366] Hell yeah.

[367] That's amazing.

[368] Oh my God.

[369] I'm sweating like homework, but.

[370] You get, guess what?

[371] You get, you get an A -plus.

[372] That was really beautifully done.

[373] That was beautifully done.

[374] That was really nicely told and really like, it's, it is your hometown because it's something that, like, kind of personally affected you.

[375] That still counts.

[376] And it is like, and it's your milieu.

[377] That's the world you're in.

[378] And it's important to talk about stuff like that.

[379] As horrible as it is, it's.

[380] It's important to, like, talk about it and bring it to light to try to prevent it in the future.

[381] Really good job.

[382] Yeah, totally.

[383] Thank you.

[384] Gorgeous.

[385] Thank you so much.

[386] Phoebe, that was incredible.

[387] Very nice.

[388] Phoebe, how many pages was that?

[389] How many pages did you print up?

[390] Just three.

[391] Nice.

[392] Oh, my God, did I miss a whole other page.

[393] Now you know what it's like.

[394] Yeah, right.

[395] I missed a page, but no, no, no, no, you did great.

[396] No, we're good.

[397] That it all tracked.

[398] I think I did.

[399] Yeah.

[400] Do you want to plug?

[401] the touring in 2022.

[402] See, I don't even know when that's happening.

[403] You're like, I did not agree to any touring in 2022.

[404] I'm like, what do you mean?

[405] That was amazing.

[406] Phoebe fucking Bridgers.

[407] Thank you so much for being a celebrity guest on this podcast.

[408] We're huge fans of yours, obviously.

[409] We love you.

[410] It's our honor that you're here.

[411] Thank you so much for, you know.

[412] Thanks for being a part of all of it.

[413] Thank you guys.

[414] Guys, follow Phoebe at Phoebe underscore Bridgers on Twitter and Phoebe Bridgers on Instagram.

[415] And just follow her as a fan because she's the coolest.

[416] Follow her life.

[417] Just pay attention.

[418] Follow me home.

[419] No. Take a step back.

[420] Yeah.

[421] Awesome.

[422] Thank you.

[423] Oh, thanks, guys.

[424] Bye.

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