218 - Good Shabbos

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[2] The Zoom edition.

[3] Zoom or in lockdown and I haven't bathed in two to three days edition.

[4] What would you say your essence is right now, Georgia?

[5] It's like a pizza.

[6] It's a pizza armpit.

[7] Sure.

[8] But the gnarly pizza that you get it like when you are in student body, you're in student body.

[9] And everyone pitches in order pizza.

[10] of course it's like trashy kind how's your stench level are you you look you look clean right now thank you i did bathe today thanks i did um when i let it go too long i i i don't bathe myself and i don't do like the dishes yeah yeah and then i and then i have a realization of like i'm this is this is me putting depression on myself the last thing yeah so i woke up this morning took a shower clean the house also because the dogs came in at some point last week when I had stripped the bed of everything, even the mattress pad, and I was just washing everything like the weekly wash. George went in there having been in the backyard with mud on her feet and walked across the mattress itself.

[11] Georgie.

[12] Yeah, I mean, and now with the cone, she can't win right now and I'm like, oh, I want to be mad at you but you're already very sad individual.

[13] But there's just dog prints in like it's clay mud it's not just plain mud it's like the real dense stuff oh do you live uh in an adobe household adobe adobe um yeah so I can't get the I've spent several days doing different cleaning treatments of getting dog prints off the mattress and so because of that I've been sleeping on the couch then it's like that my room is off limits to me yeah so that's off and then I'm just kind of sleeping on the couch and there's like when I wake up I look down and there's like popcorn on the ground something you know what I mean where it starts to get too much quickly yeah having also having animals it's like it gets out of hand really quickly that's one thing I never did even in my like deepest darkest depression is like go to sleep on the couch because I know it it's like a self -fulfilling prophecy but it'll just be like it gets darker and darker inside of my mind when I wake up on the couch oh yeah oh yeah I've been I've been surfing my own couch for like three years But I mean, often on...

[14] You deserve a mattress.

[15] I deserve a bed.

[16] And I have been putting myself to bed, to bed in my new house until this debacle happened.

[17] Really, what I'm saying is my answer to your question is onions.

[18] It's just a strong onion smell.

[19] Funnion?

[20] Because that would be cool.

[21] Straight up on.

[22] Not even fun.

[23] It's not funnier at all.

[24] It's just kind of gross.

[25] But I like it in the way that makes me feel like, ooh, the toxins are being released.

[26] because it really smells toxic quite because you keep fainting when you get a whiff of yourself for real it's like they're oh wait did I tell you about the day the UPS man came and I was like hey hold on and then I ran inside and grabbed a bottle of Belvedere that I had sitting from leftover from that Christmas party uh huh so I have like handles of liquor left over from this Christmas party no brag sorry everybody not drinking it and not interested.

[27] I actually tried to get myself like, hey, you could just drink a bottle of champagne right now one night.

[28] And I was like, for what?

[29] Like, what, what?

[30] So you fall down and like split your head open.

[31] Yeah.

[32] So the UPS man was walking away.

[33] And I was like, hold on one second.

[34] And I went and grabbed this bottle of Belvedere and gave it to him.

[35] So today he dropped something else off.

[36] And when I opened the door to get it, he was like almost to his truck.

[37] And then he turned out and he goes, hey, thanks.

[38] And he was wearing a bandana like a bandit, like a green bandie.

[39] just across his nose going down in a drive.

[40] He was like, I'm not, I'm not messing with any of those YouTube videos that show you how to make like a perfectly adorable bandana.

[41] I just am putting it on my bag.

[42] Now, just here, here.

[43] I'm a, I'm an old -fashioned Old West train robber.

[44] That's his look, which is really cool, actually.

[45] Yeah.

[46] But he walked back and goes, hey, hey, thanks again for that bottle, man. Ooh, it was good all weekend long with a little orange juice.

[47] Like, he told me about how he's been enjoying it.

[48] And I was just like, that's all I want to hear.

[49] Yeah.

[50] Please do that.

[51] You got to put those bottles of liquor to use.

[52] Right.

[53] And then I don't drink it.

[54] Getting your delivery man shit -faced.

[55] Yes.

[56] Take a break.

[57] You're worried all the time.

[58] You shouldn't have to be worried all the time.

[59] This is all the PPA I can give you.

[60] Nice vodka that someone else gave me. Can I say, can I recommend real quick a couple like Instagrams that are making me happy corner?

[61] 100%.

[62] I was going to say, let's also talk about.

[63] what we've been watching for TV on TV or movies because I am quickly running out of options and completely depending on other people on social media talking about it.

[64] I got a couple of those too.

[65] So let's do that.

[66] So the Instagrams that are making me happy is that Charo has an Instagram.

[67] And what a delight.

[68] That woman's been entertaining me since I was born.

[69] Wow.

[70] She's been on the TV.

[71] I mean, she's like early days, 70s variety show.

[72] She was always there.

[73] Coochoochoochoochooch she is so hilarious she does this like like how to hand washing video That's just pure Charo and she's just like shows you what social distancing means if you don't know who Charo is just go find her Instagram.

[74] It's amazing And then I sent you I sent you Leslie Jordan's Instagram I love him so much what has he been on?

[75] He's like a character actor, right?

[76] I believe and don't quote me on this but I'm almost positive he got popular because he was on will and grace.

[77] Oh, right?

[78] That's right.

[79] He was Megan Malolli's friend on it.

[80] I'm not, I'm not sure for sure, but somebody, somebody retweeted, um, him telling a story.

[81] It's just him talking to the camera.

[82] He's the most hilarious, charming Southern man. He reminds me he's like a David Sedaris type, but all to himself.

[83] And like a Southern grandma, it's the most hilarious thing I've ever seen.

[84] And I think he's a very popular character actor.

[85] Like, I think aside from Will & Grace or whatever show he got, like, he really broke through on.

[86] He's just been on a ton of stuff because he's so good.

[87] Yeah.

[88] So what's the video you saw?

[89] He was telling a story.

[90] I can't remember.

[91] I think he was cooking something, but he was also telling a story and it turned into like, I sniffed this one thing and then I was dancing all night.

[92] I mean, it was just, yeah.

[93] He's totally candid.

[94] Just tells you everything.

[95] Yeah.

[96] That's hilarious.

[97] And then also, Steve Zon.

[98] another great actor has what yeah what steve zon up to steve zon for realzies is his instagram that his like teenage daughter made from him and he is like psycho and hilarious and so charming in it it's and he doesn't know what he's doing it's so entertaining oh my god i love he's truly he's one of the great character actors but just regular actors of all time and he's in the great film out of sight one of the best movies ever made i feel like he's in every he's has, it's like a law that he has to be like the neighbor friend in every movie that you've ever seen pretty much.

[99] Yeah, but, but and he has huge range.

[100] But like, I wish he was in, you know who he's in?

[101] I've seen him in a bunch because Nora loves the, um, diary of a wimpy kid?

[102] Yes.

[103] Diary of a Wimpy Kid movies.

[104] Okay.

[105] Which are great movies.

[106] Okay.

[107] We're going to go into recommendations.

[108] I've watched every one of those movies with Nora and I love them.

[109] All the children are great, very talented actors.

[110] And Steve Zahn is the dad.

[111] And normally he plays like, oh, I'm a crazy stoner.

[112] Oh, I'm a hardcore cop or whatever.

[113] In this, he's just a dad.

[114] It's like he's perfectly playing a regular dad.

[115] And it's so good.

[116] Yeah, he's very charming.

[117] And on Instagram, I recommend it.

[118] That's it for Instagram.

[119] I'm so proud of him that he's, I don't know, joining the social media craze.

[120] Steve's on for realzies.

[121] Yeah.

[122] Bless them.

[123] That's funny.

[124] But TV -wise, sorry, I had this document up.

[125] Okay, I watched, this is old.

[126] It's from 2000, and it's on Amazon Prime.

[127] It's called This is Personal, The Hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper.

[128] And it's the entire story of how long it took to catch the Yorkshire Ripper and how intense it was.

[129] And the guy, the British actor playing detective George Oldfield, who was the guy that like headed up the case.

[130] And they ran into every, it's such a well done docudrama because it, it perfectly highlights all of the really intense, um, anti -sex worker tone, the super intense sexism.

[131] Just like a bunch of dudes that were kind of like mishandling.

[132] Women would go in to say, my daughter was attacked on a country lane and it was the, and with a hammer, it was this same guy, she recognizes him and they'd be like lady, he wasn't even near, like they'd be super dismissive of people coming in going, I recognize the it's an amazingly documented and actually very, for the year 2000, very modern feeling.

[133] So long ago.

[134] For how yeah, 20 years ago.

[135] Oh God, I wrote it down.

[136] I'm definitely going to watch that.

[137] it's called this is personal for the Yorkshire report on what on Netflix it's on Amazon Prime or probably an acorn type of thing and just to say the actor that plays the detective is named Alan Armstrong and he you've seen him in a million things he's in every British period piece he's so good as this detective who like basically within the year don't tell us don't spoil it oh oh shit that was a huge spoiler Steven buzz out that entire Can you buzz it out of my head?

[138] I'll bleep it all.

[139] Blip it from me. It's ruined for me now.

[140] Oh, ruined.

[141] Well, you kind of get the idea he's not so healthy.

[142] Got to, got it.

[143] I've been watching, speaking of travesties of justice and murder, I've been, there's a new Atlanta Child Murders documentary on HBO that's so good in that it's infuriating.

[144] But it's so far it's the best one I've seen for sure.

[145] Like, I've been watching them a lot.

[146] And it's to talk about the like systematic racism and like, you know, dismissal of an entire race of people in Atlanta because of, you know, the times and all of that.

[147] It's just, it's insane.

[148] It's horrible.

[149] But it's a really good documentary if you don't know anything about the Atlanta child murders or even if you do.

[150] I highly recommend it.

[151] It talks about the kids.

[152] I can't wait to watch it.

[153] Yeah.

[154] It's, I saw the preview for it.

[155] And then there was one night where I was like, oh.

[156] oh, I should go watch that.

[157] And it was probably in week one of quarantine.

[158] And then I went, I can't.

[159] No, I can't handle it because I could barely handle it at the end of Mind Hunter when that whole thing turned into those mothers and the Atlanta child murders and those women.

[160] And that parade, that silent parade that they did, like I was, it was so affecting and it's so upsetting.

[161] And it's just so, you know, it's like such a deep wrong.

[162] And it needs to be known more because it's just so fucked up and dark.

[163] Speaking of, oh, can I also recommend a podcast that I've been listening to on Spotify that if you want a deep dive into what we always talk about, which is the Satanic Panic.

[164] And this one goes into a deep dive of the Satanic Panic.

[165] This podcast is called Conviction.

[166] And it's season two of podcast Conviction.

[167] And I had to stop it a few times.

[168] They like place some of the interview with the interviews with the children and the parents who were charged with and, you know, convicted of satanic ritual abuse.

[169] And it tells you the whole history of how it came about in the United States.

[170] And it's really fascinating and horrible.

[171] So if you want to, yeah, if you want to get deep, dark and depressing during your quarantine.

[172] And we know you do because you're here with us now.

[173] Exactly.

[174] Clearly.

[175] This is our jam.

[176] Swim in our ocean.

[177] This is not, well, this is different than this, than that.

[178] But did you watch the series Orthodox?

[179] Sorry, Stephen.

[180] Did you watch the series Unorthodox on Netflix?

[181] But I heard it's great.

[182] You have to watch it.

[183] Okay.

[184] I'll just say this and I promise I won't spoil.

[185] I had what, so I think I watched it a week ago.

[186] And I had been just binging kind of anything, like whatever came up on that real.

[187] I'd be like, oh, I can't.

[188] Whatever.

[189] It is the most compelling show.

[190] I couldn't stop watching it.

[191] I had to keep on, what was I supposed to do that day?

[192] Oh, that was the day I was supposed to bring Katrina the toilet paper.

[193] Remember, I was like, I'll bring it to you.

[194] And I was like, I'll bring it to.

[195] I'll bring it at four.

[196] I'm going to bring it later on because I couldn't stop watching this show.

[197] It's so well done.

[198] It's so believable.

[199] It's about the ultra -Orthodox Jewish community in Williamsburg and a young woman who's in that community and gets out of it, tries to go and live an independent life.

[200] And it's so good.

[201] And the other morning, I call my dad and we're talking, goes, hey, have you seen unorthodox?

[202] And I was like, are you serious?

[203] And we have a full conversation about it.

[204] We talk all about it.

[205] And then at the end of the call, he said good Shabbas at the end of when we went to say goodbye.

[206] oh my god it made me laugh so hard Jim it was it was you and it made me laugh so hard anyway that's amazing so that's actually an amazingly well done so realistic kind of it feels like a documentary a lot of the time it's so good okay well the other thing I've been listening to a book did I tell I don't think I did this one because I was going to do it as a fucking hooray but then we've been kind of reading other people's fucking hooray's and lately so I don't think I did this.

[207] Please tell me if I have.

[208] Okay.

[209] I'm listening to this book on tape called How to Be an Adult in Love by David Rico.

[210] I don't think so.

[211] Dude, this book is so good.

[212] And it's not like, it's not like, it's not a relationship book and it's not like a dating book or whatever.

[213] It's like basically how to like get right within yourself so that you can like so that you can be with people correctly.

[214] I love it.

[215] is unbelievably helpful and kind of like very it's not like woo -woo and it's not like dry it's so good and it's a little bit Buddhist he he's a Buddhist teacher I think but he's also like an expert I mean you keep you can tell that he's like a true expert it's amazing well if I'm going to listen to any any religion it's going to be Buddhism and that's about it sorry right sorry fellow Jews but um you've seen an orthodox make make the exception for unorthodox yeah um okay if anyone's looking for something like that say the title again it's called how to be an adult in love by david riko r i c h o is how i'm assuming it's pronounced and he also has a couple other um books that are like uh similar titled but it's the it's that one that i really stand behind okay the last one I'll do is, and I told you to watch this, Blow the Man Down, the movie.

[216] Oh, yeah, yes, I watched that.

[217] Did you?

[218] Did you like it?

[219] Yeah, yeah.

[220] It was good.

[221] It's a murder mystery set in a small seaside town and it's sister -centric.

[222] I loved it.

[223] I love it.

[224] I have to say, I get super stressed when part of the storyline is the crime happened and then people dealing with the fallout.

[225] Yeah.

[226] I just can't stop thinking it's me. I can't stop going like feeling like you're in trouble yeah like go to the gas station like it makes me feel like I have to help the TV show get this problem solved it's insane it sounds like a bad dream when you're like I did this thing in my dream and I um it's on Amazon Prime and it's called blow the man down I really I loved it it's definitely suspenseful it was very entertaining and I believe Margo Martindale is the the lady yes there's some amazing actresses in that show that completely Like every time they show up, you're like, yes, her.

[227] Because of all these things I had written down, I don't, wait, now I can't remember if I told this story.

[228] Now tell me if I told the story.

[229] Did I tell you guys the story of this was like the last thing I did before a quarantine started when they called and said my sunglasses were ready at the, at the, I didn't tell you.

[230] Okay.

[231] So this was like they had basically said, we're going to start a quarantine like tomorrow or whatever.

[232] And then I got the call that my sunglasses had come in, my prescription sunglasses.

[233] had come in at the optometrists.

[234] So I was like, I'm doing it.

[235] I don't care.

[236] It was like that Friday.

[237] Remember it was like, I think they, it got serious on the Friday?

[238] Yes.

[239] So I drove over there real fast and I went in.

[240] I looked like a lunatic, of course.

[241] I can't learn the lesson of just put on a one layer of makeup when you go out.

[242] No, why?

[243] Because.

[244] Why would you do that?

[245] So I go in and I'm like, I don't, I, because sometimes you meet people and have to interact with that.

[246] I know.

[247] You're right.

[248] So.

[249] But this.

[250] was great because so I go to pick them up and they always do you know it's a wonderful place full service whatever so they always make you sit down and try them on and they refit you with them on your face they touch you a lot basically they did and I just wanted to like take them like with a pair of tweezers and run out the door but I knew they'd make me do the thing so as I'm standing there I give my name and they're like oh yeah just take a seat and you'll get get them fitted and then immediately I have energy feelings from the person that's sitting on the bench behind me but I think it's because I came in a little too hot like I was like you know because I was like I got to get out of here and so I just figured it was judgment feelings and I went to walk over to where they were telling me to sit and he leaned forward and goes I'm sorry can I just say and then I was like oh hold on a second it's not judgment at all and he introduced himself his name was Drew and he just wanted to say he was a listener and you know a fan and whatever super nice I was like thanks so much um you know we had a nice chat i went and sat down the lady put the sunglasses on me she gets them fitted i'm like it's fine i that's fine whatever but then she has to get up and go get something so i have to wait even longer yeah so i turn and look at drew and i'm like these are good right and he's like he stands up and then gives me a full once or he's like oh my god yes amazing amazing so i got full full sunglasses approval from drew thank you for being there for me I needed you in those stressful times.

[251] It's like just a nice pre -quarantine memory that I had.

[252] One of the last interactions I had face -to -face with a human being.

[253] I love it.

[254] I'm so grateful that one of my last interactions that Thursday was a fucking haircut.

[255] Otherwise, I would be the shaggy DA.

[256] It would just be like a mess over here.

[257] I realized that I was getting super stressed out about what if the time comes where I cannot cover these gray roots and the gray roots thing starts to become real and undeniable, which it isn't, I mean, it always is a little bit, but I can't tell.

[258] I just realized that I can support the Nigel's beauty supply place, which is right there in North Hollywood in the best.

[259] I mean, like, their staff is the best.

[260] They have everything.

[261] And I was like, oh, I'll just order a bunch of stuff from them and support them because you know they ship.

[262] And then I just got like four bottles of my hair dye So that I will have it, you know At least for a little while And then like it's the same idea of the restaurant thing We're supporting small businesses Yeah Yeah I think those are all my I mean I'm I've also like I tried to watch Tom Cruise's The Mummy one night And it wasn't bad I mean I got through part of it But then there's those like it bums me out Because movies these days especially action movies after a while it's just a bunch of fighting in blue light like it's just like sound effects and fist fighting or swords or whatever mummy like weapon they use but the lighting is all blue or gray and they're like in club scenes and stuff and yeah so you're just like when's this going to be over how what are we doing now it's funny it's like I think I'm like pickier and then not that picky at all do you know what that I just found out I had never seen this movie and so he lost it and he's like we're watching this uh roadhouse I had never seen it did you see his tweet I saw his tweet I saw his tweet and I wanted to write back please live tweet this entire experience what did you think that was there was a lot of fighting which I'm not a bit like I don't like fighting in movies but you know it's fake but it's Patrick fucking Swayzee what could be bad is the is the basically the theme of the film yeah I mean You can't have Roadhouse without the fighting, sorry.

[263] Yeah, I want that edited out.

[264] It's a three -minute movie, just of sex and tits.

[265] Of him doing fun, um, him doing Tai Chi on his lawn.

[266] You know, he's a fighter, but he's also much like David Rico Buddhist.

[267] Well, men said it's like, people have said it's the, it's dirty dancing for men, essentially.

[268] Yes, it completely is.

[269] Yeah.

[270] And that woman, Kelly.

[271] Kelly, the woman that he's the doctor that he's in love with who is like, she's a doctor and she is built like a supermodel.

[272] Yeah.

[273] Like she's clearly six feet tall and weighs 89 pounds.

[274] Yeah.

[275] And every time I watch that movie, I'm just like, this is why the 80s were so hard.

[276] Right.

[277] Because you were supposed to be a basically a Danish high fashion model.

[278] Right.

[279] And a doctor.

[280] And a doctor.

[281] Plus a doctor.

[282] Right.

[283] Yeah.

[284] And you're not supposed to kiss on the first date and you're supposed to be, you know, you're supposed to steal Patrick Swayze's heart and shit.

[285] Yeah.

[286] A lot of rules.

[287] A lot of regulation.

[288] What's a girl to do?

[289] It was not easy.

[290] She had, that woman had, there was no meat on her bones at all.

[291] But other than that, there is, it's a wonderful film.

[292] It's a wonderful, yeah.

[293] It's a classic.

[294] It's a classic and there's some amazing, like the idea that.

[295] It's a wonderful film.

[296] It's a wonderful.

[297] Yeah.

[298] It's a classic.

[299] It's a classic and there's some amazing, like the idea that.

[300] It's.

[301] It's, that guy, the kingpin that runs the town Jackie Treehorn is that Jackie Tree, that's right.

[302] And he's basically going to he's going to he needs doormen.

[303] Yeah.

[304] To run his empire.

[305] In this town.

[306] In this tiny town outside of Nashville?

[307] Something like that.

[308] Was it?

[309] Nashville.

[310] I always pictured it in kind of up by Sacramento.

[311] Well, it probably was film there.

[312] It felt very humble.

[313] Homish to me. That's a classic.

[314] Now I want to know what other movies you haven't seen from the 80s.

[315] I'll tell you right now.

[316] Ready?

[317] No. Yeah, list them off.

[318] Have you seen weird science?

[319] Of course, yes.

[320] Oh, okay.

[321] It's been a long time.

[322] U .H .F. That's a good one.

[323] Have you seen better off dead?

[324] Yes.

[325] John Cusack skiing film?

[326] I like to call it John Cusack skiing film.

[327] More.

[328] Ask me more.

[329] I feel like there was just these like dude films back then that like if we went to the video store my brother would want to watch them and then my sister and I would outvote him so I like I never watched Roadhouse or Top Gun I've seen but like it's been a long time and I think it's boring you know yeah stuff like that brother you guys movies because you guys were going more for dirty dancing dirty dance oh that's right the dirty dancing era dirty dancing the adventures of Natty Gann many times we watched oh my there Yeah, you know Oh, my stepmother is an alien Remember that one?

[330] No Who's in it?

[331] Kim Basinger is an alien And becomes the stepmom Of the redheaded chick Who's in American Pie And everything else Allison somebody Yes Allison somebody?

[332] Yes Alison Hannigan Thank you, Stephen I'm losing my edge All right Thank you Stephen It's terrible Should we do?

[333] Should we do exactly right?

[334] Network news?

[335] Network news.

[336] So Murder Squad, of course, Billy and Paul, they're diving deep into the case of the dating game killer, Rodney Alcala, who you've covered before.

[337] But this one is, I mean, they're doing a deep dive.

[338] It's really good.

[339] Right.

[340] And then this last, their episode dropped yesterday, and they're interviewing the detective from the NYPD that basically started.

[341] putting the putting it together that yeah of the women in the pictures um being able to trace them yeah and yeah they it's a really good a really good deep dive so that came out this week monday um did you know yesterday but it's oh no sorry i keep saying that yeah that was monday did you know that i made a guest appearance on the new episode of this podcast will kill you i did i did i saw that on social media today they how'd that go great i think great i don't know they very they covering botulism basically.

[342] What is it?

[343] Colostradem.

[344] Clostradium botulinium.

[345] So botulism, which is basically what Botax is.

[346] And they wanted someone's firsthand experience of what Botox is like to get.

[347] So I told them.

[348] But then they also go into the details of what exactly it is.

[349] It's really interesting.

[350] And they are still doing their big COVID -19 multi -episode dive.

[351] So those are up.

[352] They just wanted to take a little break and do something a little more fun than more COVID -19.

[353] Yeah, they've been, they've been working on coronavirus since it broke.

[354] So, yeah, you can go back and listen to all those episodes and then have some botulism fun with Georgia this week.

[355] Also, it's the 50th anniversary of the Arista cats.

[356] So Stephen, on the percast, that's what their episode is about this week.

[357] Yeah, we did like an actual movie commentary.

[358] We sat and watched the film And we brought up, you know, facts And looked like looked up stuff about the movie And it's actually based on a true story Apparently about some rich cats From the turn of the century Sure It's based on a true story Okay, Stephen.

[359] I mean, I don't know Supposedly.

[360] I don't know.

[361] It's based on a true story If cats that can play the piano For themselves.

[362] It's funny seeing the, because, you know, somebody did the Lizzo did like so all I could hear was was truth hurts instead of the original song oh my god I love it and Jaja Gabor is the main cat right the main like the lady The Eva Gabor Ava Gabor sorry One of the other sister That's right there are many talented Gabor sisters Sure Okay the Falling started a new two part series Of an unsolved murder and they introduced the case And explain the Atlanta lore that overshed shadow at the death.

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[364] Yeah, the fall line people who live in the Atlanta area or like, I would say probably Georgia.

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[369] I always say that about them, but it really is how I feel.

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[379] And if you don't follow him on Twitter and you're on Twitter, you absolutely should.

[380] He writes some of my very favorite jokes ever.

[381] He's so good.

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[418] You're first this week, right, Stephen?

[419] No, you're first.

[420] No, you are.

[421] Last week was Lake Lanier and Jett Liles from Atlanta, 2018.

[422] That's right.

[423] How'd that hold up, Stephen?

[424] Two years ago.

[425] Oh, so fun.

[426] Spooky and crazy.

[427] I mean, I definitely remember being there, and I remember the feeling of being on stage at that show.

[428] All right.

[429] Well, I'm first then.

[430] Okay, this is a case from Italy, from northern Italy.

[431] And it's one of their big cases that was like, you know, really well known.

[432] And it became what they coined a genetic soap opera.

[433] So like, I think DNA heads are really into this case because it's, it's got some fascinating DNA elements.

[434] So stick with me. This is the murder of Yara Gambaracio.

[435] So I got a couple of great articles from The Guardian by Tobias Jones and another one by Rosie Scammel.

[436] And there's also a case file episode about this and Reddit and Wikipedia as well.

[437] I'm going to tell you about Brumbat D. Sopra.

[438] It's a small picturesque town in northern Italy.

[439] It's about an hour away from Milan.

[440] Have you been to Italy?

[441] No. I always want to.

[442] Yeah.

[443] Always, I mean, always wanted to.

[444] Something's wrong.

[445] Something's wrong with me. It's that the sun is blaring right in your face, I feel like.

[446] I know.

[447] Hold on.

[448] So it's close to the Swiss and Austrian border.

[449] So it's, of course, beautiful.

[450] It makes it a really popular town for tourists.

[451] But the people who live there, it's a quiet, close -knit community.

[452] It's a little rural, a lot of the homes still use wood -burning stoves, and they raise chickens.

[453] They grow their own vegetables.

[454] And there's a lot of history with, it's got like ancient villas, you know, the old beautiful steeples on the churches.

[455] There's only around 8 ,000 residents, and it's got like some deep rooted old school family values, you know, one of those old school Italian places.

[456] Like a village.

[457] Yeah, like a village.

[458] And it's considered safe.

[459] And so families go to raise children there and, you know, it's a nice little place.

[460] So it was on a chilly winter afternoon on November 26th, 2010, when 13 -year -old Yara Gamboraccio, she left her family's home, walks up.

[461] over to the sports center where she practices gymnastics in order to drop off the stereo her instructor needed for an upcoming performance.

[462] She stops by, she hangs out, she drops off the stereo and then takes off to go home.

[463] It's a quick walk.

[464] Yara is 13 years old.

[465] She still has this like baby face, but she's starting to look like a teenager, you know, that like a little preteen look.

[466] And she has a mouth full of braces, really big smile.

[467] She's got the dark curly hair.

[468] And her father, Fluvio is an architect.

[469] Her mother, Mara, is a teacher, and Yara is the second oldest of four children.

[470] When she left the house, she was wearing leggings, a hello kitty t -shirt and a black bomber style jacket.

[471] She makes the quick trek to the sports center.

[472] It's less than half a mile from her house.

[473] And she then leaves, sends a quick text to her friend about meeting up that weekend and then that's the last contact anyone has with yara so her mother didn't expect her to be gone so by 7 p .m. she's already worried and she calls yara's cell but it goes straight to voicemail 20 minutes later like this is how how off it was that she was gone for even a short while longer than she should have been 20 minutes later later yara's father calls the police it's like my daughter's missing yeah the call is taken by the magistrate which is like a district attorney And she's a 45 -year -old woman name, Letitia Ruggery.

[474] I'm probably saying that wrong.

[475] Please, excuse me. I bet you're going to have that feeling about every single name.

[476] This is an Italian crime.

[477] So, like, it's a losing proposition.

[478] Let her fly.

[479] We'll hear about it.

[480] I'm going to guess it's Ruggieri.

[481] How about you say it with your fingers up in the air?

[482] Ruggieri.

[483] Yeah, there you go.

[484] Okay, so Latitia Ruggieri is a 45 -year -old former police woman, And she's known to be smart and tough.

[485] She got a great reputation when she was fighting the Kostranosta in Sicily as a policewoman.

[486] Yeah.

[487] No joke.

[488] She's fighting the original mafia.

[489] Yeah.

[490] She's like, what's up?

[491] What's up?

[492] She's an unconventional woman for that, for the area she lives in now.

[493] She's a single mother, which is rare in that culture.

[494] She has five earrings in one ear and plays the guitar and rides a beat -up old Vespa, which sounds amazing.

[495] and she also has a black belt in karate.

[496] So this is a Netflix series.

[497] It's like it already is.

[498] I feel like I've already watched it.

[499] Yeah.

[500] She's been a magistrate for almost 15 years.

[501] So she knows what's going on when she gets this call.

[502] She doesn't fuck around.

[503] And she, within minute, she dispatches both the state police officers and the carabineer, which is the military police.

[504] So immediately they send them out.

[505] And they go to the small town.

[506] They start the search.

[507] The fire department starts scanning the river.

[508] police are looking at nearby fields.

[509] They check the entire sports center where she was at.

[510] But they don't find anything.

[511] And unfortunately, the surveillance cameras at the sports center that day were all out of order.

[512] Which is just like a really awful coincidence.

[513] And Ruggieri calls in tracker dogs.

[514] And they follow Yara sent to a small hamlet nearby called Mapello.

[515] And soon they discovered that the last signals from Yara's cell phone pinged in at Mapello at 6 .49 p .m. that night.

[516] So the dogs, they thought the dogs would follow her track back to her house.

[517] Instead, they like went the other way to this random town next door and where her phone had ping that night.

[518] So it pinged just minutes after she texted her friend after leaving the sports center.

[519] So they figured that she had to be in a car to have been moving that quickly and gone from town to town.

[520] So someone probably picked her up in a car.

[521] And over the next few days, Rajari and her team question every member of Yara's family, of course.

[522] They look for problem signs and, you know, hidden secrets in the family.

[523] They don't find anything.

[524] So then the investigators focus their, they focus their time tracing the owners of all the cell phones, which had passed through Mapello on the day of Yarra's disappearance, which I guess is a technology they have.

[525] And it's approximately 15 ,000 cell phones that had gone through that town that day.

[526] So they also put wiretaps on hundreds of phones, and it's a record for any investigation in Italy's history.

[527] Tens of million calls are intercepted by law enforcement and police also bug the family's home to track conversations, but they don't find anything.

[528] And meanwhile, Yara's family locks themselves into their home.

[529] They're really secretive.

[530] And Italian TV is dominated by, it's called Karnash Nare, which is crime news.

[531] Like, they're more obsessed with it than we are in a lot of instances.

[532] And so now the national news cameras descend on the.

[533] this small town and on this little street where Yara's family lived.

[534] So they plea for privacy, but the case blows up around the country.

[535] And there's rumors that Yara's disappearance is a retaliation abduction because the media reports that Yara's father had testified against a mafia member in Naples.

[536] But eventually those rumors are shot down.

[537] So none of it's true.

[538] So on the afternoon of February 26th, 2011, three months after Yara's disappearance, a middle -aged man is flying his new remote air like little airplane um in the town of shignalo de isola just six miles south of yara's home uh he's in a open field it's all industrial and empty lot so he's like this is a great place to fly my little remote plane the plane malfunctions he lands it in some tall weeds you know where this is going um he goes to pick up the plane and see something that looks like a pile of rags and then he spots a pair of shoes And the clothing are all still on Yara's body.

[539] Oh, I know.

[540] Also, if that were in a TV show, I'd be like, that's so cheesy.

[541] Yeah, it seems one in a million chances, maybe less than that.

[542] Yes.

[543] But, yeah.

[544] So unlikely and yet that happens.

[545] That's how it is.

[546] I mean, get ready for the rest of this fucking story because it's the most unlike.

[547] It's like a fucking movie.

[548] It's crazy.

[549] Her body's frozen, but, you know, she does show signs of decomposition.

[550] So she's been there for a while.

[551] But they say the field had already been searched days after her disappearance.

[552] So police speculate that the killer dumped her body there, you know, later.

[553] But it doesn't really seem that way.

[554] They just might have missed it, you know, even by a couple feet.

[555] They could have just not seen it.

[556] So it's, that's possible as well.

[557] Crime scene investigators find Yara's iPod and house keys with her as well as the SIM card and battery for her phone.

[558] But the phone itself is missing.

[559] So the killer knew to, you know, to stop the tracing of it.

[560] and left those things behind, which is, you know, so so cunning, it seems.

[561] The autopsy is conducted by Italy's most famous forensic pathologist, Professor Christina Catano, and she discovers traces of lime in Yarra's respiratory passages and the presence of what's called jute, which is a vegetable fiber that's used to make rope.

[562] And they find that on her clothing.

[563] Yara hadn't been raped, but there's signs that there was an attempted sexual assault, and maybe she had fought back.

[564] And there's blows on her body, head injury, neck injury, and at least six stab wounds are found.

[565] But it's determined she didn't die from that, any of that awfulness.

[566] She died from exposure to the cold weather after she lost consciousness from her injuries.

[567] I know.

[568] It's heartbreaking.

[569] You just think of this 13 -year -old girl.

[570] When you described what she was wearing, a Hello Kitty T -shirt and a leather jacket, that's like that's preteens in a nutshell where you're you know they're in between two worlds so it's like yeah you're you're old enough to walk there by yourself right but you're still young enough that you are wearing a hello kitty shirt and that you you know could someone could convince you to do something you absolutely shouldn't do totally you see someone may be kind of familiar and so you it's they're not a stranger and she had her iPod with her you know it's just like such a yeah She was a young, a young team.

[571] It was like one of the first probably like, this is, she gets to do stuff like this.

[572] You know, she's 13.

[573] I get to walk there by myself.

[574] She probably fought hard to be able to have a little independence like that.

[575] Right.

[576] And it's just down the road.

[577] Her parents probably weren't that worried about it.

[578] It's so sad.

[579] Right.

[580] The presence of the lime and the rope fiber suggests to the investigators that the killer might be in the building and construction trade.

[581] And the forensic team retrieves two DNA samples from Yara's phone battery.

[582] and from her black gloves, but neither match any samples the authorities have on record.

[583] So they can't find who this DNA is from.

[584] Two months later in April, the commander of the scientific investigations department in Parma calls Regeri and tells her they found male DNA on Yarra's underwear.

[585] And so the team then calls the murder suspect.

[586] They have like a really good DNA sample.

[587] And they start to call the suspect Ignato 1, which means unknown one.

[588] And just so creepy.

[589] A month later, Yara's body has returned to her family.

[590] Her funeral takes place on a May morning in the sports center where she was training to be a gymnast.

[591] There's thousands of onlookers there.

[592] It's a white coffin with a huge bouquet of flowers.

[593] And the Italian president is there.

[594] It gives a few words of condolence.

[595] And there's so many people, they can't all fit inside the sports center and they watch the funeral outside on a jumbo screen in the parking lot.

[596] So people were just heartbroken over this.

[597] You know, I think it's one of those stuff like that doesn't happen here.

[598] So after the funeral, the police announced that they have a solid DNA evidence and they'll spare no expense looking for the killer.

[599] And so the investigation is like in high gear.

[600] They continue to wiretap calls.

[601] They ask people to voluntarily submit DNA samples and friends and classmates and, you know, strangers come forward to give their DNA.

[602] And it's believed that 22 ,000 people from the area volunteered their DNA.

[603] Wow.

[604] And also each phone user that's found important that day, you know how they had traced all the phones that were in that area.

[605] They test their DNA samples as well, but they don't get any hits.

[606] The cost to test all this DNA is huge and the investigation becomes one of the most expensive manhunts in Italian history.

[607] According to some sources, the equivalent of what in today's money would be almost $5 million was spent for the entire investigation.

[608] So then Ruggiero has this idea to turn her sights onto like places in the area where Yara's body was found, thinking that the killer would have been familiar with it.

[609] And so right down the street from there is a nightclub.

[610] And it's the translation of what it's called is Quicksand.

[611] And so in 2001 in the spring, Ruggiero signs investigators outside Quicksand on busy Friday and Saturday nights to take deal.

[612] samples from people going into the club.

[613] Wow.

[614] So this fucking thing works.

[615] And they get a break in the case from Quicksand.

[616] One of the samples from Quicksand is very similar to what's being called the unknown one, though it's not exact.

[617] So this man isn't the killer, but he's a relative of the killer.

[618] The man who gave the samples 20 -year -old Domiano Girononi, but he's excluded as a suspect.

[619] it's not his DNA.

[620] He's got a legit alibi, but geneticists are convinced he's a close relative of the murderer.

[621] So, in a crazy coincidence, Damiano's mother worked for 10 years as domestic help at Yarra's home, but that's ruled out as a lead.

[622] That's just a fucking coincidence.

[623] Instead, they dig deeper into Damiano's father's side of the family, and they find out that his father is one of 11 siblings.

[624] So, Regerio's team spends months recreating the Gerononi family tree they go as far back as 1716 so this is like I know this is that familiar DNA thing that we're now so familiar with they're able to clear 10 aunts and uncles of domiano's 11 aunts and uncles but one uncle they're not able to clear and that is uncle Giuseppe so they're like oh this might be our guy turns out he died in 1999 so it couldn't have been him okay because this is 2010 but they get in touch with Uncle Giuseppe's widow and she's like, here's a box of Giuseppe's old documents.

[625] I kept them.

[626] You can fucking do what you will with them.

[627] And in there, they find a postcard with a stamp that Giuseppe had licked.

[628] So they test that DNA.

[629] And the results on that come back and geneticists are convinced that Giuseppe is the biological father of the murderer.

[630] Giuseppe was a bus driver in the 60s and 70s.

[631] He had married a woman named Laura.

[632] They had a normal marriage.

[633] They had three children, a girl and two boys.

[634] And they exume Giuseppe's body.

[635] They test his DNA.

[636] They confirm that he is definitely the father of the murderer.

[637] So they're like, great, it's got to be one of his two sons.

[638] One of his sons happens to be a known drug user.

[639] They're like, here we go.

[640] But when they test Giuseppe's children's DNA, none of them are the killer.

[641] They don't match any of his children.

[642] That's when they realized that if the murderer is really the son of the late Giuseppe, then the only explanation.

[643] nation is somewhere out there as his illegitimate child.

[644] Oh, right.

[645] The plot thickens.

[646] So now Regeri is on the hunt for what would have now been a middle to old -aged woman who 30 or 40 years ago would have had an affair with a married Giuseppe and given birth to a boy who then went on to murder Yara.

[647] So they're looking legitimately for a fucking unknown person.

[648] It's so creepy.

[649] So the team in.

[650] And like a secret person.

[651] I mean like and he's dead so he can't tell you who it is they can't like yeah you can't admit to it and clearly the wife doesn't know right that's yeah okay the wife doesn't know her their children don't know it's just crazy and it's sorry to interrupt but and it's also like a plot point from a movie of I'm the I'm the illegitimate child my father never was a correct father to me now I've become a serial killer like doesn't it yeah it sounds so far fetched but yeah it's fucking true.

[652] The team investigated his former bus routes after some colleagues remember him as a womanizer.

[653] And Giuseppe had even confessed to a coworker of having gotten a woman, quote, in trouble, which we know what that means.

[654] And as the investigation drags on throughout 2013, the public then becomes aware that an elderly woman is being looked for for the murder of a teenager.

[655] And when they find out why, I mean, they lose their shit and the whole town is just taken over by the media.

[656] It's like a real -life soap opera, people say.

[657] Yeah.

[658] And so because of this investigation, everyone suddenly looking at each other and other infidelities come out.

[659] And in two small villages, five illegitimate children are discovered.

[660] Oh, my God.

[661] Like separately from any of this.

[662] Wow.

[663] Yeah.

[664] Yeah.

[665] It's like it is like a movie where it just like, don't, don't get into it.

[666] Let sleeping dogs lie.

[667] It's like, no, we have to find out.

[668] And then it's like, yeah, when you start getting into stuff like this.

[669] It's like people can't keep secrets.

[670] There's many more secrets than people know.

[671] I mean, everyone learned that 23 and me lesson.

[672] Yeah.

[673] When everyone's like, it'll be fun.

[674] And then it's like, oh, my God, my father's not my real father.

[675] Oh, my God.

[676] We have all heard those stories.

[677] Yeah, definitely.

[678] So the investigator scour local records.

[679] There had been some homes for unwed mothers at the time.

[680] They can't find anyone who would have been his.

[681] just Giuseppe's lover.

[682] So they figure that the woman they're looking for actually probably had been married as well, which is how she hit her pregnancy.

[683] Because in the 60s and 70s, that was not okay to be pregnant unless she were married.

[684] So she probably was married, they figured.

[685] And divorce was only legalized in Italy in 1970.

[686] And until that time, many couples stayed together even if there was infidelities going on.

[687] So DNA swabs from about 500 women that would have been the right age were, and could have been the birth mother, were tested, including former classmates and colleagues and shopkeepers in the neighborhood.

[688] And just that would have known Giuseppe, the deceased bus driver in the late 60s.

[689] And they also, that doesn't lead anywhere.

[690] They also interview people who knew him.

[691] But because it's this old school area in Italy, people won't fucking talk.

[692] No one's a rat, you know?

[693] I would say all of Italy might be an old school area.

[694] I mean, when you kind of look at it, it's the old country, really, where it's just like...

[695] Yeah, we have a way of doing things.

[696] Yeah, that's just how it's done.

[697] Yeah, for sure.

[698] From the movies I've seen.

[699] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[700] But essentially, you know, one person talks reluctantly, and she names the woman that he had had an affair with in June of 2014.

[701] Her name is Esther Arzoufi.

[702] So Esther was a neighbor of Giuseppe's and Ponte.

[703] Selva in the late 60s.

[704] In 1966 at 19, she had married her husband from a nearby village, but it's so sad.

[705] The husband is this quiet reserve man. He had been orphaned at a young age.

[706] He had psoriasis and he was a depressed person.

[707] So he kind of was that personality type.

[708] But Esther is outgoing and lively and she wears short skirts, which, you know, is so taboo then.

[709] She dyes her hair.

[710] And she gets a job at the textile factory a few miles away and takes the bus to work every day.

[711] Esther denies the affair and had left Ponte Selva in 1970.

[712] And in the autumn of 1970, she gave birth to twin boys, a boy and a girl, supposedly fathered by her depressed husband.

[713] But Ruggieri's team immediately check the DNA samples they have on file and find Esther's DNA had been tested.

[714] They had compared Esther's DNA to Yarr's DNA and not to the murderous DNA.

[715] So they go back and test her DNA and are able to confirm that she is the mother of the unknown one, the murderer.

[716] Oh, my God.

[717] Uh -huh.

[718] Esther's son is Massimo Bocetti.

[719] His middle name is Giuseppe, like his secret father.

[720] Oh, yeah.

[721] Uh -huh.

[722] Uh -huh.

[723] He's now 42 years old.

[724] He's a builder.

[725] And remember, the evidence on Yarra's body was speculated to come from a builder or someone in the construction field.

[726] He's married with three children.

[727] He lives in mapello.

[728] which is a hamlet near Yara's hometown where the last signal from Yara's cell phone had been recorded the day of her disappearance.

[729] Remember, the dogs had followed that scent to that town.

[730] He lives there.

[731] Yeah.

[732] So there's a really, you know, striking, you know, now that we know who he is, scary photo of him, he's this slim, short man. He's got these piercing, like, blue eyes, like yours.

[733] And he's got this peroxide goatee, like pencil goateeatie.

[734] Like my.

[735] Like yours.

[736] he loves to party he's nicknamed the animal by his friends if he were to be played by someone and like this is just the first thing that came to my mind but like an older erin carter is what i got oh okay so he's kind of like chiseled face like he's classically good looking erin carter oh erin carter from the band no erin carter yes from backstreet boys's little brother little brother oh sorry i thought you meant erin i was like do you think he's answer Aaron Eckhart Thank you, Aaron Eckert No You remember Aaron Carter from like the early 2000s And he was like dating Ashley Simpson or whatever I was drunk face down in a ditch somewhere I don't I was there for none of that I'm so sorry I'll tell you this there's there's traces of meth in that face Okay Aaron Eckert An Italian Aaron Eckert Who couldn't look more Danish Or something like you know Nordic I don't know I want you to look at the phone I don't because you probably have someone better but that's just the first thing I saw because he's so thin so Ruggieri is like fuck yeah we got this murderer on June 15th 2014 the way that they get him is they set up a fake roadblock with breathalizing tests in the town and the police stop Massimo and they pretend that the machine the breathalizer test doesn't work the first time so they get they test them twice so they get two good samples they send it for overnight testing and the results show that he's an exact match for unknown one.

[737] He is the killer of Yara.

[738] Massimo Bissetti.

[739] So the afternoon of the confirmed match, military police go to the construction site where Massimo is working.

[740] They arrest him.

[741] And the Italian minister of internal affairs announces the arrest on Twitter.

[742] But I think it's just this huge news.

[743] Massimo has no prior criminal record.

[744] He claims he's innocent.

[745] He says that the DNA is fabricated.

[746] and his wife makes a statement that her husband was home with her and her kids the night of the murder having dinner.

[747] But phone record show that Massimo's phone was present in Yars Town on the night of her disappearance and had been switched off at 5 .45, which is a short time before she disappeared.

[748] And it wasn't turned on again until 7 .43 the next morning.

[749] Oh, wow.

[750] Yeah.

[751] So for Ruggieri, the arrest is this, you know, huge success for her.

[752] It had been four years of investigative work.

[753] and she had endured a shit ton of criticism, including sexism, for alleged incompetence, and now she's celebrated for her brilliance.

[754] Mossimo's trial starts in the summer of 2015, a year after his arrest, and according to prosecutors, they had found internet searches on Mossimo's computer for child pornography, but the Reddit community and bloggers say that's not true.

[755] And after a year -long trial, Mossimo's found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.

[756] and the fallout for this case is crazy.

[757] Esther's husband Gianni, Esther's the mother of this illegitimate child.

[758] She, he, the husband gets diagnosed with cancer and finds out that none of his three children are biologically his.

[759] Oh, no. Uh -huh.

[760] And then Giuseppe's widow, Laura, is also shocked to find out that her late husband fathered children while having an affair.

[761] So this, like, destroys families.

[762] Masimo's twin sister takes the brunt of public hate She's literally beat up twice Oh my God Because her brother is a killer Which is horrendous And Esther Masimo's mother Still denies that she's ever been unfaithful to her husband She just won't She's like nope Yaris I mean look Once you're at that point She's probably in that position Where she's like All she can do is do denial Because admitting it opens the floodgates too, worst case scenario.

[763] And Massimo's wife is still by his side.

[764] She totally denies that he had anything to do it as well.

[765] And Yara's family, meanwhile, has remained totally private.

[766] Yara's mother created a gymnastics trophy that's named after Yara to give out to what would have been fellow gymnasts.

[767] Yara is buried between her two grandparents in a cemetery just across the road from her gym and her headstone has this photograph of her she's wearing a white bandana and she looks you know like a young gymnast she's adorable and all around the grave are mementos that are left by her friends including gym shoes um rag dolls and little friendship bracelets that they all left for her and that is the murder of 13 year old yara gambirassio unbelievable twist and turns wow Twist and turns, but also how they, they didn't, the, those, that detective and that, that, that prosecutor did an amazing job.

[768] Yeah.

[769] So, yeah, Latitia Ruggieri, she was forward thinking.

[770] She was super smart.

[771] And, yeah, it's pretty incredible that she was able to find the killer with not a lot to go on.

[772] Yeah.

[773] Amazing job.

[774] Wow, that was great.

[775] Yeah, right?

[776] Thank you.

[777] Thanks.

[778] So I'm going to start mine with, um, a hometown email.

[779] So I'm looking on my phone one night on the couch and I stumble on to basically like the crime blotter of a California newspaper.

[780] I can't remember which one now.

[781] But it basically was just kind of like this, here's this case, this case, this case.

[782] I would just basically have a paragraph and I just started taking pictures of the paragraphs with the information in them because I was like I could get, I could do murders out of these.

[783] Just these like paragraphs.

[784] One of them was about a woman in the mid -80s.

[785] I think it was 1988 and her body was found in West Petaluma in a trough in a field and they ended up finding two men murdered her and they found both of them.

[786] Wow.

[787] Yeah, I know.

[788] It took till the mid -2000s to find the killers but when DNA came around they found them and they went to jail.

[789] So there was a bunch of these little like snippet stories of these cases that I had never heard of where I was like, whoa, whoa, these are good.

[790] So this is from That internet search I did, but then Jay found this email from a murderino named Christina R, and she wrote in, this is a very long email.

[791] So, Christina, I'm sorry, I did definitely edit you down because this thing goes on.

[792] She's a great writer, can tell a story, but basically we're going to get into it this way.

[793] Being born and raised in Las Vegas, there aren't a ton of hometown murders that haven't already received a fuck ton of media attention.

[794] but my mom told me a story when I was little that has stuck with me for nearly 20 years and it wasn't until I discovered your fucking awesome podcast that I decided to reach out to her and verify that it was real and not just some boogeyman story she made up to keep me from running around alone after dark as a kid.

[795] It turns out every bit of it was true and she was more than happy to give me all the grisly details now that I'm older.

[796] In 1981, about a year before my parents were married, my dad and his best friend got new hunting rifles.

[797] They needed to get the rifles cited before they could take them out hunting, so they decided to go to an area in the desert on the outskirts of town near Lake Mead where people are allowed where people are allowed to go shooting a safe distance away from the city.

[798] My mom and her friend, my dad's buddy's wife, decided to bring along their pistols and do target practice while the guys did their manly rifle bullshit.

[799] They, sounds awesome.

[800] The men stuff is, I know, right?

[801] Just go shoot in the desert.

[802] Hell yeah.

[803] They all drove out together in the same car and the guys went off on their own with their rifles.

[804] My mom and her friend were then alone near a ditch and decided to set up a row of cans along the edge to shoot at.

[805] My mom's friend was setting up but she immediately stopped and walked back over to my mom with what was described as quote the weirdest look on her face.

[806] All the friend said was there's somebody down there.

[807] When my mom started to casually suggest that it might be someone else out there hiking or something, her friend grabbed her arm and said, no, you have to come and see this.

[808] When my mom went over to the ditch and looked down, she saw the body of a girl lying on her back, her legs crossed, and her arms resting above her head.

[809] The creepiest part was that her dress had been pulled up over her head, covering her face and exposing her from the waist down.

[810] From where they stood, they could tell that she was a child.

[811] Naturally, my mom and her friend proceeded to freak out because this was the age before cell phones they had to wait for their dudes to come back to show them what they found and again because of no cell phones they knew that someone would have to actually drive back into town to get the police somehow it was decided that the friends would take the car and return to the with the police while my mom and dad had to stay next to the ditch to make sure that no one came along and disturbed the body in the meantime it began to get dark while they waited and my mom said that because both of them were so scared, they kept laughing uncontrollably out of sheer nervousness.

[812] Hella romantic, right?

[813] Because they were on a date.

[814] Oh, my God.

[815] Yeah.

[816] It was like a hang.

[817] Eventually, the cops show up and do their CSI song and dance.

[818] They told my mom's friend she may eventually be needed in court if and when the killer is caught.

[819] Flash forward six goddamn years to 1987, the case of the girl my mom and her friend found was still unsolved, but the girl had been identified as 12 -year -old Sheila Joe Keister.

[820] It was still unsolved, though they did know that she had been raped and strangled to death.

[821] Oh, my God.

[822] Okay.

[823] So I'm going to stop there in the email.

[824] That isn't the end of the email.

[825] Wow.

[826] But I'm going to stop there and I'm going to start.

[827] Hold, sorry, Stephen.

[828] Good, good start.

[829] Intrigued.

[830] Horrified.

[831] So now we're in, it's 1987.

[832] And I'll just say the source of.

[833] for this.

[834] Murderpedia, the L .A. Times, SF