Wiz Khalifa

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Lily Padman.

[3] Hi.

[4] Hi.

[5] Guess what?

[6] What?

[7] At a restaurant near us, little doms.

[8] Little D's.

[9] There is a drink on the menu called Lily Pad.

[10] What?

[11] I haven't got it yet.

[12] What is in it?

[13] Me. Is there an Indian liquor?

[14] There's beer.

[15] Well, there's Indian pale ale.

[16] Sure.

[17] And then also King Fisher.

[18] King Fisher.

[19] That's the really.

[20] Yeah, that's the big boy.

[21] That's all my dad likes me. But they're not, like they didn't invent gin or anything.

[22] Do we know?

[23] I don't think so.

[24] Okay.

[25] Not that I know of.

[26] Okay.

[27] Because I would like it if Lily Pad had some Indian liquor in it.

[28] So we really know it's a nod to you.

[29] Yeah.

[30] Oh, boy, spices.

[31] No. We don't want a curry cocktail.

[32] It doesn't have to be curry.

[33] It could be cardamom or chide.

[34] You want a cardam?

[35] Yeah, I want it.

[36] Oh, okay.

[37] I stand corrected.

[38] What a wild guess we had.

[39] Yeah.

[40] Yes.

[41] Out of the blue, he walks in.

[42] What a vision.

[43] He's six foot four.

[44] He is a vision.

[45] And he's so cute.

[46] He's very stunning.

[47] Is that the word?

[48] Yeah, he's stunning.

[49] Absolutely.

[50] Great adjective.

[51] He's stunning.

[52] Wiz Khalifa.

[53] My God, this was so fun and interesting.

[54] He is a multi -platinum selling rapper and singer.

[55] His albums include multiverse, rolling papers, deal or no deal, O N -I -F -C, Black Hollywood.

[56] And he has a new.

[57] You mixtape out, boy, you're going to hear me learn about the difference or not learn about the difference between a mixtape and an album on this one called Callie Sober, which is fucking great.

[58] Be it a mixtape or an album, I love it.

[59] And you know whiz.

[60] You know whiz.

[61] You already know him.

[62] He and Snoop were just on tour together for a year.

[63] What could be more fun than that?

[64] And he also has his own cannabis line called Khalifa Kush.

[65] Yeah.

[66] And even at a piece that said KK.

[67] Did you see it on it?

[68] Oh, I didn't.

[69] Yeah, yeah.

[70] for his Khalifa Kush.

[71] It's very cool.

[72] So cool.

[73] I hope you guys enjoy this.

[74] We'll just say up front, I really embarrass myself in this episode.

[75] It'll be fun to listen to it, I think.

[76] It's big, big swings and misfires.

[77] And, you know, we're here to laugh about it.

[78] So just know we're in on it when you hear.

[79] Please enjoy Wiz Khalifa.

[80] He's an object to.

[81] I'm going to smoke because I'll open the window before we start.

[82] Uh, might as well.

[83] We let Seth Rogen smoke.

[84] You'll be maybe the second or third.

[85] Can you make that work for an ashtra?

[86] For sure.

[87] Let me see.

[88] No. You don't have any.

[89] Don't talk to me. Look at her face.

[90] No, don't.

[91] God.

[92] Look at her face.

[93] Okay.

[94] Okay, I went to a facelist.

[95] There's nothing there.

[96] That's why I feel so confident.

[97] I went to a look.

[98] I went to a facelist and she did a peel, so it's starting to peel.

[99] She's very nervous.

[100] No, you're good.

[101] Brian, you can be worried about it.

[102] You're fine.

[103] Don't even worry about it.

[104] You look good.

[105] Do I call you Cameron or Wiz?

[106] What's your preference?

[107] For now, Wiz.

[108] Let's go, Whiz.

[109] Okay, so most importantly, on the day you were born, how old do you think Monica was?

[110] Take a wild stab.

[111] I don't even think Monica was born when I was born.

[112] No, that's flattering.

[113] It is flattering.

[114] She was 15 days old.

[115] Oh, wow.

[116] Yeah.

[117] Okay, so we're close.

[118] Very.

[119] And I'm older.

[120] You beat me. I almost got you though Yeah, you were a little late Just a little bit I was getting high That's what I was in the womb Well actually that's possible Because you didn't say mom smoked grass in the house Yeah, she didn't smoke when she was pregnant with me My mom did Oh, for real?

[121] Oh, for sure Hell yeah My mom was in the military when she was pregnant with me So throughout that period of life She wasn't smoke a pot at all She wasn't?

[122] No, nope Because they would test or she was just afraid Because they couldn't have been testing, were they?

[123] Yeah, they were testing back then?

[124] They were.

[125] They would do like random?

[126] And it just wasn't the thing to do to, like, sneak and get caught smoking pot in the military in the 90s and shit like that.

[127] Because you could get dishonorably discharged and then you're fucked.

[128] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[129] Yeah, no retirement and then no plan for family and all of that stuff.

[130] So it was, like, really important for her to hold it down throughout that period of time and then do whatever the hell she wanted to do afterwards.

[131] Mom and they were both in the military?

[132] Yeah.

[133] Because you were born in North Dakota, but you're immediately on the road, right?

[134] You're in Japan, Germany, the U .K. Yeah, my parents met in the military.

[135] It was crazy.

[136] My mom is from Pittsburgh, and my dad is from New York, and they met in basic training in Colorado.

[137] And if you know anything about basic training, it's just a few months of people thrown into the mixture, and then after that, they go there separate ways.

[138] They probably only knew each other for like two months, and then they were about to get stationed to other areas.

[139] Deployed.

[140] Deployed.

[141] exactly and my dad was going somewhere my mom was going to guam and they got married after two months yeah they didn't want to leave each other man they fell in love bro okay fucking young love and how quickly did you arrive after that i'm the second child oh you are yeah yeah they had my brother first how much older is he he's three years older than me but he passed away so he was three years older than me he passed away not in childhood no not a childhood in adulthood for what kind of stuff cancer oh yeah yeah fuck yeah how old it was like seven years ago.

[142] Wow.

[143] Yeah, yeah.

[144] Okay.

[145] So he was like 32 -ish or something?

[146] Yeah, like 30.

[147] 31 maybe.

[148] What kind of cancer?

[149] Lymphoma.

[150] Oh my God.

[151] Uh -huh.

[152] Does that freak you out about your own disposition that you could be susceptible?

[153] No, not really.

[154] My brother was transgender.

[155] So throughout her life, she took a lot of hormones that kind of, you know, mixed it up and made it way more difficult.

[156] I got you.

[157] I got you.

[158] Well, my dad died of cancer, and I'm certain.

[159] like, fuck me. I don't like having that in my bloodline.

[160] Yeah.

[161] It doesn't make me too optimistic.

[162] Some people, they live their life perfectly normal and still get that shit.

[163] Oh, totally.

[164] There's like marathon runners who die of heart disease and Keith Richards going hard.

[165] He's healthy as a horse, Keith Richards.

[166] And slamming dope for 55 years.

[167] Fucking chilling, right?

[168] Yes.

[169] He's just slammed dope.

[170] No, hell not.

[171] Smoke weed, drink water.

[172] Smoke weed and drink water.

[173] Were you old enough to remember these pittes?

[174] It stops in Japan, Germany, UK, and all that.

[175] You get to Pittsburgh at nine?

[176] No, my first time going to Pittsburgh.

[177] I was about two years old.

[178] But I mean to live there for the duration.

[179] Shit, when I was there, too, I lived there for like a year and a half.

[180] Oh, you did?

[181] Okay.

[182] Yeah, I stayed with my aunt Tickles.

[183] My aunt Tickles.

[184] How did Aunt Tickles get the nickname Aunt Tickles?

[185] There was a doll at the time where she was a kid that she wanted.

[186] It was the Tickles doll.

[187] Instead of having a doll, she was born, and they named her.

[188] her tickles.

[189] Oh, that's pretty cute.

[190] Yeah, it's kind of crazy, right?

[191] Okay, so Ann Tickles took you in.

[192] That's really sweet.

[193] My auntie tickles.

[194] It was me, my brother, my cousin Julian, little cousin, Baby, my little cousin Poppy.

[195] Wow.

[196] Michael used to be over there.

[197] My aunt Rachel.

[198] So enough to play a pickup game of basketball.

[199] Totally black families, man. We all crammed into a apartment about this big right here.

[200] Uh -huh, but so fun.

[201] Yeah, hell of fun, bro.

[202] Super, super duber fun.

[203] Yeah, I have fond memories from Pittsburgh.

[204] as a baby living in Europe, Germany, or England.

[205] We were in Upper Hayford.

[206] That was the area that we lived in.

[207] In England?

[208] Uh -huh.

[209] What's Upper Hayward like?

[210] It was super chill from what I remember.

[211] I was literally like two, three years old.

[212] So I have pictures and videos and shit from like birthday parties.

[213] And then I remember what my dad's house looked like.

[214] It was really cool.

[215] Kind of not like this, not as player.

[216] Yeah.

[217] But it was big.

[218] It had like stones and like a little pond in the front.

[219] Like a mini castle.

[220] Yeah, exactly.

[221] Exactly.

[222] It was cool, man. They got divorced when you were three?

[223] Yeah, yep.

[224] Same age for me, and I live with mom.

[225] You live with mom?

[226] I live with both back and four.

[227] How long would the durations be?

[228] Probably like two years.

[229] Oh, you did two years with dad.

[230] Yeah, yeah.

[231] And why was he living in such a great house in England?

[232] How do you find himself in a castle if he was an army?

[233] I was too young to know, man. Some things made for you not to know what was going on.

[234] Don't look a gift castle in the mouth.

[235] No, for real.

[236] Just feed the goldfish and keep it moving, bro.

[237] How about Japan?

[238] How old were you when you were in Japan?

[239] I was about 11 to 13 in Japan.

[240] Oh, that's significant.

[241] So two years in Japan.

[242] And were you going to like a military school?

[243] It was a school on base.

[244] It wasn't necessarily a military school because military school is more structured as like disciplinary type of thing.

[245] Yeah, I fucked that up.

[246] I just meant a school on a military base.

[247] I meant a school for all the military kids.

[248] Yeah, I went to school.

[249] school on base 100 % like everything was Americanized and shit because it was such a big difference between off base and on base and the other kids here's what I'd imagine you're moving nonstop you have to meet kids every year and a half or whatever yeah that's stressful but maybe the other kids are also in that pattern so they're a little more forgiving is that possible was it hard it's always difficult being the new kid all the time because you have to like reacclimate yourself to everybody's customs, no matter where you are.

[250] You're picking up on different lingo, you're going to different schools.

[251] You never really get to get used to having friends for any long amount of time.

[252] So it's definitely an issue as a child.

[253] You don't want to leave your friends and shit like that.

[254] And you don't want to have to get used to anything, not being permanent.

[255] So, yeah, it was a little difficult.

[256] What effect do you think it had on you?

[257] Did it make you good at making friends or did it make you lonely?

[258] It made me really good at making friends.

[259] It did.

[260] It's not enjoyable.

[261] It's not like I want to be the freaking unknown person all the time.

[262] But, you know, it definitely like toughens you up and makes you to the point where you can assert yourself and you can carry your own personality, your character, whoever you want to be, wherever you were done.

[263] Did you ever reinvent when you landed somewhere new?

[264] You were like, hmm, this next go around.

[265] I'm going to try this.

[266] I think I always just reinvent just naturally.

[267] I think the biggest reinvention was me having a growth spurt.

[268] Yeah, what age did we get this?

[269] bro.

[270] I was like normal size and then just overnight I just stretched out and nobody in my family is this tall.

[271] Really?

[272] Yeah, it was crazy.

[273] Like middle school?

[274] What age?

[275] Eighth grade going in the ninth grade.

[276] Same year.

[277] I've said this so many times.

[278] I have my basketball physical I had to take for eighth grade and I was 511 160.

[279] That's golden.

[280] Next year, ninth grade physical, 6 -3 -149.

[281] Yeah.

[282] I lost 11 pounds.

[283] He gained like four inches.

[284] And I was like, oh, this is a bad look for me. Nah, skinny boys.

[285] We're on top, baby.

[286] Well, that's rough, isn't it?

[287] Well, now you're not skinny boy anymore.

[288] Well, now I'm a medium -sized boy.

[289] He's definitely lean.

[290] Lean and mean.

[291] Oh, you were on the cover of men's health, by the way.

[292] Yeah, yeah.

[293] So I got into your workout routine.

[294] We're hitting it early, right?

[295] Yeah.

[296] Hour in the gym and then doing some jujitsu.

[297] Yeah, well, Muay Thai mixed martial arts.

[298] When did Muay Thai become part of the program?

[299] It kind of just mixed in, like, naturally.

[300] That's a better workout probably as well?

[301] No, I think it's more like a modern thing.

[302] Everybody's doing more active shit to go along with lifting weights.

[303] So the program that I was on, you know, they kind of just have you messing around with it.

[304] But I was actually like kicking the shit out of people.

[305] They were like, let's step you up some.

[306] You know what I mean?

[307] And I figured out I was kind of really good at it.

[308] And they put me in there with like some of the guys that really do that shit.

[309] And they were like, man, he could do this.

[310] So they just started training me on a different level.

[311] You were supposed to have a match in April or something.

[312] Uh -uh, nope.

[313] You weren't.

[314] Uh -uh.

[315] There's lies about you out there, whiz, on the internet.

[316] Really?

[317] Can you believe this?

[318] I hope I'm not the first to tell you this, but there's some lies.

[319] Damn.

[320] You at least, I would imagine, had, because I'm 12 years older than you.

[321] So there wasn't one cool, tall, skinny guy in movies, TV, music.

[322] You already had Snoop.

[323] Yeah, we had Snoop.

[324] That had to be encouraging.

[325] Snoop is super tight, but at that time, there's only one.

[326] one Snoop, so you can't be Snoop.

[327] I just think coming up, Scroni is just tough for everybody.

[328] I think even Snoop might have had it bad.

[329] He just made it look good for all of us, you know.

[330] He just broke the mold, man. He did.

[331] But I think if you're tall, if you're a fucking stretch limo like us, and you got at least one example of a guy who's killing it, I mean, that's helpful.

[332] Shit.

[333] I don't know.

[334] Now you're that for other tall skinny dudes in high school?

[335] For sure.

[336] Yeah.

[337] And so I'm wondering, when you got to Pittsburgh, Were you nervous to commit, like, this is home now?

[338] Now I can actually get comfortable here.

[339] Are you just always waiting to be moving somewhere else?

[340] Nah, hell no. I got a big -ass family there.

[341] So that was always my connection to Pittsburgh.

[342] It was my family, my cousins, my aunts, my nini, who was my grandma, my granddad, who just passed away recently.

[343] But they all were really, and still are really instrumental in raising me and housing me. And that's your mom's family?

[344] Yeah, it's my mom's family.

[345] We use my nini's address to make sure I could go to certain schools.

[346] And nini is tickles, mom?

[347] Yeah, yep.

[348] What a pair.

[349] If they walk into the bowling alley?

[350] Nini's tickles and my mom's name is Pitchie.

[351] Oh, this is fantastic.

[352] I know.

[353] I love it.

[354] It's like the cast of Golden Girls or something.

[355] That's my connection to Pittsburgh.

[356] It's always been home.

[357] My mom did a really good job of enforcing that and making sure that me and my brother grew up with our roots and knowing our peoples and having a real.

[358] really strong connection with him.

[359] Is there anyone younger than you in the family?

[360] Hell yeah.

[361] Oh, you have other siblings, I mean.

[362] My little sister is with my dad.

[363] She got a different mom.

[364] I don't consider her half anything.

[365] Same.

[366] My little sister has a different dad, but we don't.

[367] In fact, when I was a kid and someone would say that's your half sister, I would want to fight.

[368] Yeah.

[369] That was like a diss back in the day for sure.

[370] That's right.

[371] I was like, she's not my half sister.

[372] Well, yes, she is.

[373] No, she's fucking not.

[374] Yeah, it's time to go over.

[375] Yeah, people try to bring this shit up.

[376] You guys got different parents.

[377] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[378] Yeah, no, but I got my little sister.

[379] And I got little cousins, too.

[380] Like, I was the baby for a minute, but I was just the baby of my generation.

[381] We started getting older and into our teens.

[382] That's when my little cousins were like eight, nine, and ten.

[383] So when I'm leaving my teens, they're getting into their teens.

[384] So them is all my little homies and shit.

[385] When you're with your dad, was there the same amount of people around?

[386] Yeah, do you meet the New York family?

[387] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[388] I'm really close from my New York family.

[389] Growing up, I would see them.

[390] them on and off.

[391] I seen them at like family reunions and we would get together to the point where I do have memories of my New York family when I was a kid.

[392] But the majority of it started happening when I was a teen.

[393] When my grandma on my dad's side passed, there was a funeral and we all met up in New York at my grandma's apartment.

[394] And that's when we all kind of rekindled everything.

[395] And then from then I was like 14, I started making music and I would come to New York to do my promo runs or things like that.

[396] And I would just stay in my grandma's old apartment and chill and kick it with my cousins and meet up with my aunties.

[397] So throughout my teens and 20s and things like that, that's when my relationship really built with that side of my family.

[398] But it's been strong for a while.

[399] What part of New York did they live in?

[400] Harlem.

[401] You start writing and performing really young, like 11, 12, you start writing?

[402] Yeah, yeah.

[403] What drove you to that?

[404] I was in about third grade and I first seen my uncle.

[405] He wrote a rap and he rapped it to me. And it was so cool.

[406] The concept of him, making a rap.

[407] I always listened to rap and enjoyed it.

[408] He wrote a rap and I was like, wow, that's crazy.

[409] It sounds just like what I hear on the radio.

[410] Right.

[411] He was like, you can do it too.

[412] I'm like, how?

[413] He was like, well, you just start a little, you do this, you do that.

[414] Yeah, he taught me how to rap.

[415] And then we would go and look up song lyrics for other songs and learn all of the words for them.

[416] And I had a book where I kept all on my song lyrics where I would learn the words.

[417] And that's what I think really taught me like timing and how to ride a beat and stay on beat and through that, I just developed it.

[418] Who of the people you were studying did you most feel like you clicked with, or that was something you could do a version of them?

[419] It was the majority of the fast rappers, yo, like bone thugs and harmony.

[420] Oh, okay.

[421] Buster rhymes.

[422] Anybody who was just out there, those are my favorite.

[423] I like mystical back then.

[424] No Lemon was popular.

[425] The more wilder, the style of better, crucial conflict.

[426] DMX?

[427] DMX was one of my favorites, too, for sure.

[428] wild as hell crazy i remember when his first single dropped like i walked to the store and bought it his first single was get at me dog and that was before he was even popular but for some reason as a third grader his music connected with me well also he's riding wheelies on four wheelers and riding with the rough riders like the whole package for me i was like sign me up for this yeah music videos were crazy back then yeah as a kid you sitting around watching music videos that's like what the Fuck.

[429] Eve was in him.

[430] Do you remember that?

[431] Yeah.

[432] Eve was the shit.

[433] Swiss beats.

[434] Shout out to Swiss.

[435] Did you see this doc that was on DMX that came out like a few months ago?

[436] Yeah.

[437] So good.

[438] So heartbreaking.

[439] Yeah, he's an interesting guy and he's really passionate and soulful, man. When I met him and we chilled and we kicked it, some people are surprised when they meet people and I hear what music they listen to.

[440] But that shit really surprised me. He like Patty LaBelle and like disco and shit that you see.

[441] singing vibe to it.

[442] He sings all the words, like with his heart and soul.

[443] He's not rapping like hard -ass lyrics all.

[444] He's singing.

[445] That shit was crazy.

[446] It was tight.

[447] What's funny is I was listening to you talk about your mom that she'd be around the house.

[448] Listen to Erica Badoo and I was like, oh yeah, this is this age gap.

[449] Like me and your mom probably have all the same favorite music.

[450] But yeah, fucking Badoo.

[451] I would have loved to talk to DMX about all that 70s R &B, I'm sure.

[452] Br, his playlist is crazy.

[453] Yeah, I wouldn't have been surprised if you had said.

[454] said Metallica and Megadeth.

[455] And then also I'm not surprised now that you say Petty LeBelle.

[456] It's like the complete opposite.

[457] It is the opposite.

[458] But you knew it would be something not from what you expected.

[459] Yeah, yeah.

[460] Well, you're my age.

[461] Did you guys have the box?

[462] Oh my God.

[463] The box was a channel.

[464] It's a video channel.

[465] You call in and you request shit.

[466] And it was just music videos.

[467] You just have it on all day.

[468] Did you ever call Monica?

[469] No, I was too scared to call.

[470] But I just watched music videos all.

[471] day long.

[472] And they played more underground shit, too, that they didn't play on MTV.

[473] Or they would play it on the box first.

[474] Exactly.

[475] And then it will cross over to, like, mainstream shit.

[476] I'm glad to know you liked the box.

[477] Oh, hell, yeah.

[478] The box was the shit.

[479] Yeah, that was the shit.

[480] You guys should run bring it back.

[481] I was up in Detroit.

[482] I know.

[483] I don't know what you guys.

[484] They probably had it.

[485] No, they had the box in Detroit.

[486] I'm sure they were a hell of like Pittsburgh in Detroit.

[487] Almost identical.

[488] If there's any two cities, I think both of them like, Post -industrial.

[489] Yeah.

[490] For sure.

[491] Heavy drinkers, blue collar, a lot of fights.

[492] Sounds like Pittsburgh.

[493] And anytime I go to Detroit, I get so much love because they're like, bro, we're the same.

[494] Yes, I'm sure.

[495] I'm sure.

[496] So you start early and then you meet a guy E. Dan.

[497] Yeah.

[498] Does he own the studio?

[499] Yeah, he owned IDLA.

[500] He built it.

[501] And he took a shine to you and he said, you want to intern and then you can have some recording time.

[502] Absolutely.

[503] How did you endure yourself to him?

[504] did he even come to find out who you were?

[505] I was paying for studio time.

[506] I will go down there and record my mixtapes and get out of there.

[507] Okay, great.

[508] We need to do this right now.

[509] Explain the difference between a mixtape to everyone and an album.

[510] Because you have so many mixtapes I've read about.

[511] Mix tapes are projects used to prepare you for an album.

[512] So they're not like fully fleshed out?

[513] You kind of just get the scraps of what could or would be on the album.

[514] But it doesn't necessarily make the album.

[515] Okay.

[516] But, but But the music itself is new.

[517] You're not using old stuff, per se.

[518] Nah, it's fresh.

[519] Okay, so you make some mixtapes there.

[520] And then ultimately, you get a recording contract really young.

[521] Oh, yeah, another thing about mixtapes.

[522] Oh, tell me. They're free.

[523] Oh, they're free.

[524] Yes, explain that.

[525] That's a huge difference.

[526] Here's all I know about mixtapes.

[527] I'm in New York City, and any dude who might think I know somebody because I'm on TV gives me a mix tape.

[528] And then I think, how am I going to proceed with this?

[529] I got to go buy a device to pull.

[530] play this on.

[531] People used to give out mixtapes, right?

[532] That was a big thing.

[533] They usually give it out.

[534] You got the bootleggers who sell them when they're popular.

[535] But the culture of a mixtape, there's a documentary on this as well.

[536] Okay.

[537] Oh, there is.

[538] What's it called?

[539] The history of the mixtape.

[540] I don't know.

[541] History of missing.

[542] But the mixtap started, of course, in New York with DJs.

[543] They would take beats.

[544] They do mashups, right?

[545] Yeah.

[546] Yeah, mashups, blends.

[547] Uh -huh.

[548] But they were, like, specific to each DJ and each DJ's style.

[549] So that's why you would get different.

[550] mixtapes from different DJs, different sides of town.

[551] They were exclusive, so some people were like, hey, I want you to shout me out and say my name.

[552] I'll pay you 50 extra bucks.

[553] So it was like a way to get money, get popular, and have status.

[554] And that's how the mixtape culture started.

[555] Then DJs started finding artists and being like, hey, here's this break loop, freestyle over it for eight minutes.

[556] And then you would get a dude saying, hey, ho, my name is a do, do, go.

[557] And then the whole hood with, you know.

[558] Uh -huh.

[559] He'd be famous in the neighborhood.

[560] Exactly, exactly.

[561] So that's where you get the mixture between the DJ and the rapper.

[562] And then as time went on, labels started seeing that as profitable as, okay, let's not release a full project, but let's do like a little mixtape.

[563] Not big corporations, but independent labels.

[564] They'd be like, let's just do a little mixtape and see how the streets like it.

[565] Right.

[566] Like a little triad.

[567] Exactly, exactly.

[568] Soft launch.

[569] Exactly.

[570] Exactly.

[571] And then people started getting really popular off of that, like 50 cent blew up off of entering the mixtape scene and just doing free music and not really focusing on the label structure, but just being like, I'm going to feed the streets.

[572] Right.

[573] Just be prolific.

[574] Don't wait.

[575] Just make it.

[576] Yeah.

[577] So 50 cent, little lame, diplomats.

[578] A lot of people like really came in and changed the mixtape gaming.

[579] And that's where it elevated to where more me and Drake and currency.

[580] Did you guys revive it?

[581] We just took it to the next level and made it where it was like complete projects as a mixtape.

[582] Not like freestyleing over instrumentals and shit like that.

[583] Right, Grandmaster Flash.

[584] Go ahead.

[585] Hey, ho.

[586] We stopped the hey -ho and we kind of shout out to the hey -ho though.

[587] And put your hands up too.

[588] Put your hands up?

[589] For sure.

[590] For sure.

[591] If you're out there, put your hands up.

[592] We took it to the, because we came up in the internet era, the blog era.

[593] Napster.

[594] Well, it was after Napster.

[595] after Lime Wire.

[596] He's 15 days young.

[597] You're 15 days older.

[598] It's that 15 day gap.

[599] Actually, we came up.

[600] When I started being popular, I was probably already 10 to 15 mix tapes deep.

[601] Were you optimistic throughout that whole time?

[602] Or you were probably just delighted if 10 people hear you at that stage.

[603] No, not really.

[604] No, okay.

[605] So were you, do you stay optimistic or were you getting pessimistic?

[606] The type of artist I am, every time I do something, I think it's the one.

[607] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[608] And that's how you're supposed to feel about your art. And later on, you grow to detach from that and be like, okay, this is just a piece.

[609] When you're young and you're firing, you're connected to it, you're like, this is it.

[610] The world is going to know me. They're going to believe it.

[611] They're going to sing every word.

[612] And you're like, eh, that didn't happen.

[613] I was going to say, do you think you can predict really well when something's going to hit?

[614] I believed in everything that I did.

[615] What I learned is when you're predicting.

[616] some shit, you just don't know how long it's going to take.

[617] But you can make that shit happen.

[618] Okay, see you again.

[619] This is your biggest song, at least for downloads on Spotify.

[620] Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[621] And you wrote it for Fast 7.

[622] I've always thought there couldn't be more pressure on a musician than to get hired for a blockbuster movie.

[623] And they're like, write us our fucking anthemic song.

[624] And it's got to be a hit.

[625] I feel like the pressure of that would be insane.

[626] It's not like you're writing a whole album and you're like, yeah, three of these are going to hit.

[627] And I don't know why.

[628] but I love all of them and we'll see.

[629] But this one, they're like, go.

[630] Make a fucking hit right now.

[631] Do you feel the pressure of that?

[632] No. And boy, did you deliver?

[633] No, thank you.

[634] That's kind of nuts that you got your biggest song out of that opportunity.

[635] Yeah, for sure.

[636] I appreciate it.

[637] And I don't feel pressure at that point because I prepared for all of that.

[638] The stuff that I was wrong about, it all led me up to that point.

[639] And the shit that didn't work and the shit that I learned in between and the shit that I thought that I would never do.

[640] And that I ended up realizing like, okay, this is important.

[641] this is how you finesse it and work it, it all led me up to that point.

[642] So at that time, I was the perfect man for the job.

[643] Yeah.

[644] What shortcomings do you think you had overcome by that point?

[645] What were some of your bad habits you recognized?

[646] Being too stubborn as an artist.

[647] With outside feedback?

[648] Just playing a game that I wasn't willing to play.

[649] What made you so allergic to that?

[650] What happened to me before when I played that game?

[651] I didn't trust the people that I was playing the game with.

[652] Okay, because you got burned or that's your disposition?

[653] I just didn't trust their taste in what was good or what wasn't.

[654] I felt like my taste was superior.

[655] Uh -huh.

[656] And it still is, but there's also good taste along with that, and that's what I had to learn.

[657] Did you have stepdands?

[658] Maybe for a few months.

[659] I had one.

[660] Okay.

[661] Uh -huh.

[662] Did it go the way most stepdands go?

[663] Uh, they get beat up by your real dad.

[664] Yo, I kept waiting for my dad to show up and beat up these fucking guys.

[665] I don't know where he was at.

[666] I'm like, when are we getting over to the house and beat some of these guys up?

[667] He never showed up.

[668] Actually, that is, did your dad know that your stepdad's were being so abusive?

[669] Yeah, one that blows my mind because my dad loved to fight.

[670] So I don't understand.

[671] But the second stepdad fought my brother and three minute file cabinet, file cabinet knocked my brother unconscious.

[672] And then we immediately moved into my dad's the next day.

[673] And I was like, Well, my dad catches wind of this, that this dude knocked David out.

[674] This guy's dead.

[675] Yeah.

[676] I don't know if it was out of respect for my mom.

[677] He didn't want to come in.

[678] Yeah.

[679] I was shocked.

[680] I'm so delighted that.

[681] Are you a younger brother?

[682] Yeah.

[683] Yeah, same shit for me. I'm three years younger.

[684] So my stepdad hit my brother as well.

[685] And my dad never put his hands on me and my brother.

[686] So my brother, he was chilling.

[687] He didn't really want to say anything about it.

[688] And I said, yeah, I said something about it.

[689] I was like, yo.

[690] You tell him, Mike beat the shit on you.

[691] My dad spun a car around super duper fast and, you know, he handled business.

[692] As a grown -up now, I understand how difficult that can be in a relationship and shit.

[693] So it was a lot on my mom and the guy that she was with, so he didn't want to continue being family.

[694] So it's all good.

[695] I don't know if I'm just genetically this way or it was the step -bends, but I cannot stand authority.

[696] I think I'm just like that anyway.

[697] My parents kind of raised me just like do whatever the fuck I want to do.

[698] Okay.

[699] Authority or people telling you what to do.

[700] It takes me a long, not a long time, but I have to have my own reasons to respect you.

[701] And I think that's human.

[702] That's how babies are.

[703] Like, if you approach a baby and you're like, hey, Kuchigoo, he's not going to fuck with you just because he's like, bro, you never gave me no candy.

[704] You never showed me that you're going to protect me. Like, why should I fuck with you?

[705] Yeah.

[706] And that's kind of how I'm at.

[707] Because you can make that noise?

[708] Like, yeah.

[709] You're going to need to come with more than just the Gucci Goo.

[710] Yeah.

[711] Where's the toys?

[712] Have to earn it.

[713] Yeah.

[714] So there definitely was a lot of that trying to develop that trust and just learn who I can believe when it comes to certain shit.

[715] How would you get in your own way?

[716] Did you ever get in your own way?

[717] Yeah.

[718] I think for me it was a lot of when you're young and you're first starting out and you don't know a lot of the opportunities that you're blowing because it's not that important to you at the time.

[719] You're hot, you're in the moment, so you're just doing shit.

[720] And you're just like, fuck it, whatever.

[721] And then four years later, you're like, hey, we should go talk to this person.

[722] And they're like, nah, they never want to talk to you again because you blew them off, like, way back then.

[723] Right.

[724] There's some stuff that I did that.

[725] I didn't think it was going to be permanent.

[726] You don't think of the long game, right?

[727] You're like, I'm hot right now and this is never going to cool off.

[728] And I can be however I want to be.

[729] Yeah, exactly.

[730] I definitely did some shit like that.

[731] Have you ever made any apologies, like after the fact?

[732] Yeah, I definitely apologize.

[733] In the music industry, it's kind of rough sometimes.

[734] You'll have to side with other people over.

[735] other people.

[736] And later on down the row, you'd be like, I don't even know why we had to come to that decision.

[737] It's like, I'm sorry.

[738] Well, like out of your loyalty to a partner, you acquire their enemies.

[739] Right, right, right, right, right.

[740] That's young stuff.

[741] Yeah, it's crazy.

[742] I know I always say, like, anyone that their test of friendship is that you have to hate someone they hate, you should be out.

[743] You learn that shit, though, because when you're young, you think you're being cool by, like, loyalties, number one.

[744] Hate whoever that person hates.

[745] It just puts a little ugly little thing on shit that shouldn't be there.

[746] Have you ever had a real job?

[747] I haven't.

[748] No, no. Wow.

[749] That's pretty, I never had a job.

[750] Do you feel great about that?

[751] I do feel amazing about that.

[752] Not dairy queen, not nothing.

[753] Wow.

[754] Yeah, no. I'm jealous.

[755] I couldn't do it.

[756] I sold weed in high school.

[757] I was like, I'm not doing this shit.

[758] Well, that's another Snoop parallel.

[759] Yeah.

[760] Cameron Diaz says she bought weed off of Snoop in high school.

[761] Oh my God.

[762] That's amazing.

[763] Isn't that great?

[764] I was the tall skinny weed, man. That is a good job for a tall skinny dude in high school.

[765] Yeah.

[766] Were they trying to get you on the basketball team?

[767] Yeah, they were.

[768] But you weren't having that.

[769] No, I was more than music, bro.

[770] Yeah, you had to write some songs.

[771] Hell yeah, I was doing my mixtapes, getting my studio time up.

[772] When did you start making a living at it?

[773] I graduated in 2006, and my mom stopped working in 2008.

[774] God.

[775] Yeah.

[776] Your mom being able to stop working, what was that feeling?

[777] Shit, it's another one of things.

[778] Like, I was just in a moment.

[779] Now, looking back, I'm like, that should have been.

[780] pretty fucking cool.

[781] Yes.

[782] But I was just really in the moment, like, this is what I need to do.

[783] This is what I'm doing.

[784] And let's get it.

[785] That's such a special thing for a kid to be able to do for their parent.

[786] Yeah.

[787] So you were only 20.

[788] That's good.

[789] Yeah.

[790] That's all you want to do.

[791] Yeah.

[792] It was pretty cool.

[793] Still is pretty cool.

[794] Yeah.

[795] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[796] Okay.

[797] So just to go through the timeline a little bit, at 20, this is probably, you start helping mom, you sign with Warner Brothers.

[798] Say Yeah comes out.

[799] That hits 25.

[800] Yep.

[801] This is mind -blowing, no?

[802] The say yeah period was kind of weird because the music industry was changing.

[803] I got caught up in the mix.

[804] The change of power, there was a change of sound, production was changing.

[805] Everything was real gray right there.

[806] The best thing that happened was I learned a lot about radio and promo and the importance of relationships with DJs and just how to start on the ground level and really get a good base, like a good core.

[807] I learned that from that time over on Warner.

[808] And that what included like going to radio stations all the time?

[809] Yeah, tons of radio stations, man, like traveling all over and staying in shitty hotels and doing a lot of dinners and talking with program directors and 300, 400 pages, it drops.

[810] And they're like, yeah, we got to sit here and do these and And just learning the importance of that and what that does for a record and what that does for your career.

[811] So, 09, it's over from 09 till now.

[812] Yeah, it was on a cracker after that.

[813] Yeah, so you're only 22 in 09.

[814] And black and yellow comes out.

[815] Starts at 100 and climbs to number one.

[816] Okay, yeah.

[817] Is that not right?

[818] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[819] Here's two things.

[820] So, yeah, you're only 22, but you've been at it for seven years.

[821] aren't you delighted it took you at least a minute that you already had an album out that it just got to 25 and now you have this experience in 09 where it's like you get a number one song it's not like your first thing you ever did was that that's the thing is like i wish my first thing i did was that you don't think you picked anything up in that period like i think the people i've met who first movies an enormous hit and then they're off to the races something gets tweaked i think you need a little it's not reality yeah well that's what i learned nine years, 10 years in but it's like if you're chilling on the bench for 10 years you're still waiting to start every game.

[822] But it's a little sweeter, don't you think, that it takes a minute?

[823] Because that's what I'm curious about.

[824] When it comes out and it's at 100 and you're watching it climb, there's got to be these periods.

[825] We're like, my God, it's in the top 10.

[826] Is it going to get two?

[827] Or are you thinking the whole time it's going to number one?

[828] Even for that, my situation was real unique because when I put black and yellow out and when I sign with Atlantic, I was already doing shows independently that were bigger than what they could do for me. I was making more money than they could do for me, and they weren't used to seeing that from an artist in that era.

[829] So they were really trying to figure out how to bottle what I had already done.

[830] Yeah.

[831] So black and yellow was just the byproduct of all the work that I had put in.

[832] Like, I had done so much promo.

[833] I had done so much touring.

[834] I had made so much merch.

[835] I went to jail for weed i did interviews saying that before already yeah i did all of that shit before black and yellow and i went on an interview and told somebody i spent 10 000 a month on weed and like the stealers were going to the super bowl that year so it was all like a whole culmination of shit that it was just my time makes me think of the beetles you know this whole story how they played at a strip club in germany for like these six -hour sets and they did that for years before they were the beetles yeah when you put in that work and you really in control of your work and your fan base and things like that you're watching your business grow of course i would have loved for my first project to go number one or for me to be the biggest thing because of my ego like as a kid i'm like yeah i want to be the biggest greatest but through time i just started to figure out what that actually was being the biggest greatest version of myself is being on tour always being in the studio directing my own videos having a direct connection with my fan base showing my personality and being funny and not trying to be like everybody else just really tapping into who I am and letting that be the best parts of my brand.

[836] That's when everything started to take off and move in the direction.

[837] Well, what's cool about doing it that way is I think a lot of times people are young, they get a hit song and they actually have to go discover who they are publicly and go discover who they are on stage.

[838] And now all of a sudden they've got some crazy huge tour book, but they've never done that.

[839] So your turnkey, like you're ready for a hit because you know how to exploit it and go run with it.

[840] Yeah, I'm definitely thankful for the time that I have in the shadows because labels don't really do that artist development.

[841] They don't make sure that your show is up to par.

[842] They don't make sure that you can perform in the studio with big producers or big artists.

[843] They just throw you in there.

[844] And you have no practice or concept of what that is or how to even be yourself there.

[845] You find your way to get your stuff in there, I imagine.

[846] Right.

[847] And then that time, it just let me build that confidence in those techniques to where when I was in those situations, I knew exactly what to do.

[848] Yeah.

[849] I didn't realize you had already been arrested, but also, so in 2010, you are about to do a tour, or you're on a tour, the Wake and you get arrested leaving East Carolina University?

[850] Yeah, yeah.

[851] And charged with possession and trafficking, why did they think you were trafficking?

[852] Just the amount of weed you have?

[853] No, I didn't even have a lot of weed.

[854] Oh, you didn't?

[855] I got more weed in a car than I did on that bus.

[856] Put more weed on your person.

[857] Yeah, for real.

[858] It's because I'm black.

[859] Yeah.

[860] Yeah.

[861] Yeah.

[862] No, I've said that a million times.

[863] When people first said white privilege, I'm like, I don't know.

[864] I'm white trash.

[865] I didn't feel too privileged.

[866] But then I'm also an ex -drug addict.

[867] And I used to fucking roll around with coke on me all the time.

[868] I used to get pulled over and I didn't get searched.

[869] I'm like, Oh, I get it.

[870] I'd be in prison right now, 1 ,000 % if I weren't white.

[871] It's true.

[872] But it is what it is.

[873] I don't hold it against anybody.

[874] You should be mad at me. I'm giving me permission.

[875] It was actually a black cop who did it.

[876] Oh, really?

[877] Yeah, yeah.

[878] Were you in a tour bus?

[879] Yeah, I was on a tour bus.

[880] I was on a college campus.

[881] And they looked at my Twitter and I was talking about smoking weed on there.

[882] Who cares?

[883] But again, are they on the Twitter of the white?

[884] Exactly.

[885] No. Musicians coming through town?

[886] That's what I'm saying.

[887] What I always think about is like Willie Nelson.

[888] That bus has got to have a fucking kilo on it.

[889] I don't ever hear about him getting arrested.

[890] Nah, it's very select.

[891] I'm not here to like fucking change the world.

[892] It is what it is.

[893] But you've been arrested for weed several times.

[894] Yeah, hell yeah.

[895] So I think an explanation is warranted.

[896] Plenty of times.

[897] So yeah, we had a tour bus.

[898] We were on campus.

[899] They had quote unquote been tipped off and that was their reason for being able to search the bus.

[900] That was their probable cause.

[901] Yeah.

[902] Are you stressed in that situation or you're fine?

[903] Shit.

[904] Be honest.

[905] Honestly, I was kind of like just being a rock star about it.

[906] Okay, I can imagine clicking into that gear.

[907] Get the cameras.

[908] Like, everybody filmed this shit.

[909] Yeah, channel it.

[910] I had all my fans outside.

[911] I'm like, yeah, y 'all gonna start a riot out this bitch, blah, blah, blah.

[912] You fucking with the wrong dude.

[913] All that fun stuff.

[914] 300 ,000 bail you had to post to get out of that.

[915] It's $3 million.

[916] What?

[917] Oh, what?

[918] It was $300 ,000, but it was 10 of us.

[919] Oh, my God.

[920] We just did an episode about bail bonds, man. Yeah, it was interesting.

[921] So who comes up with that money?

[922] You or the label?

[923] Who gets a call?

[924] There was no label, bro.

[925] I told you I was independent at the time.

[926] Oh, I'm sorry.

[927] I thought you were already on Atlantic.

[928] No, I wasn't on Atlantic.

[929] I was independent at that time.

[930] But this is what I was telling you about how big my brand and my business was.

[931] They arrested us and they gave us $3 million bail.

[932] Me and my manager, his name is Will.

[933] Shout out the Will.

[934] We posted our bail, which is 10%, 30 ,000, 60 for us.

[935] And then we had to pay the bail bondsman.

[936] His percentage was 20, so we had to pay 80 ,000 to get out.

[937] And then we paid a lawyer another 20 ,000 to get all the charges dropped down.

[938] And he knocked all the charges down.

[939] And we had to pay another 20 ,000 for everybody to get out.

[940] So 40 for everybody to get out.

[941] So it was like 110 grand.

[942] We had the 110 ,000 on the bus in cash from merch month.

[943] Oh, baby.

[944] We were slashing them.

[945] We were killing them.

[946] When you dropped the bag of money, you just got to be a little bit of pride in that.

[947] Yeah, I hope so.

[948] Go ahead and set the bell whatever you want.

[949] Yeah.

[950] I looked at my guys when we were in jail.

[951] I said, because you know they call your name when you're getting released.

[952] So they said, Cameron Tamaz.

[953] I was like, I'm getting all y 'all out.

[954] Don't worry about nothing.

[955] And they was out before the sun was down.

[956] Oh, wow.

[957] Yeah, you have $3 million bill, independent.

[958] Yes.

[959] That must feel so powerful.

[960] Yeah, yep.

[961] Four years later, you got arrested in El Paso.

[962] Yeah, I went about nothing.

[963] That was just possession as well, right?

[964] But you did a jail selfie, which I kind of like, I made me curious how you had your phone in jail.

[965] Yeah, because I just, you know, I'm slick.

[966] Okay, so you, maybe they got one off of you and you had another?

[967] No. No, no, I just.

[968] Go ahead.

[969] Is this stressing you on this question?

[970] No, it's a jail selfie, so it's legendary.

[971] Like, you know what I mean?

[972] I never see a jail selfie.

[973] It's a legendary jail selfie.

[974] Yeah.

[975] It's iconic.

[976] Hell yeah.

[977] How do you have your phone, though?

[978] How did I have my phone?

[979] How did you have a phone in there?

[980] It's a big business, baby.

[981] We're not learning that secret.

[982] Yeah, I'm dying to know.

[983] Maybe I'll fair.

[984] I'll find out what I happen.

[985] Okay, things are taking off.

[986] 2012, you have ONIFC.

[987] See you again comes out, as we talked about.

[988] It's enormous.

[989] Does that change anything for you?

[990] For sure.

[991] In what way?

[992] Does it give you access?

[993] Were there people you wanted to work with?

[994] Like, what were the things you desired before that song that became very obtainable after that song?

[995] It was more just, that song opened me up to, like, Oscar shit, because I was nominated for an Oscar that year.

[996] So I got invited to some cool -ass parties and some cool -ass events that I wouldn't have been associated with, just with music.

[997] How do you do at those events?

[998] I'm cool.

[999] You feel comfortable?

[1000] Yeah.

[1001] I like those because nobody's security is with them.

[1002] It's like everybody's guard is down.

[1003] You're kind of forced to mingle.

[1004] Like I said, I'm really good in those situations.

[1005] Yeah, yeah.

[1006] So you might end up being cool with somebody who you never even thought that you would, like, have anything in common with.

[1007] Who's someone that you connected with?

[1008] I'm cool with everybody.

[1009] But somebody who was super chill, what's the guy's name from Catfish?

[1010] The document.

[1011] Nev?

[1012] Nev. Nev is cool as fuck, yo.

[1013] Okay.

[1014] That's my boy, man. There we go.

[1015] I love that.

[1016] I ain't think Nev was going to be that cool.

[1017] I never knew.

[1018] I never knew I was going to be cool with Nev. Right.

[1019] That's my partner.

[1020] Oh, lovely.

[1021] That's great from Nev. How do you expect that?

[1022] How cool.

[1023] I'm jealous of Nev right now, aren't you?

[1024] Yeah, he's a cool dude, bro.

[1025] Oh, wait, I have a question.

[1026] Yeah, please.

[1027] When you were young and making the mixtapes, you're in your driven mode.

[1028] What was for you the goal?

[1029] Is it I want everyone to respect me?

[1030] I want everyone to like me. I get approval.

[1031] Was it I want money?

[1032] Yeah.

[1033] What's the driving for?

[1034] When I was hustling and making my come up, being that it was the blog era, that was mainly the audience that I was trying to impress.

[1035] It was the blogs that I had consumed at the time.

[1036] I wanted to be on those front pages.

[1037] I wanted to be at the top.

[1038] I wanted to be getting the clicks.

[1039] I wanted to be getting the comments.

[1040] I wanted to be getting good comments.

[1041] And I wanted to be making great art that people respected and knew what my point of.

[1042] view was.

[1043] That was my main goal.

[1044] To make classics just based off of that criteria, like, what's going to make the blogs go crazy?

[1045] You're reluctant to say anyone that you were aiming at, but was there anybody whose career you were like, yeah, that's kind of the one I want?

[1046] Nah, because everybody at that time really had super duper mainstream careers.

[1047] Young Jeasy or Lil Wayne or Rick Ross.

[1048] Those were the dudes who were really on when I was coming up.

[1049] So, for me in my class in my era it was always Drake Drake was the bar of what we could do even in the mixtape era his mixtape so far gone was like one of the best I think mine cushioned orange juice and drake's so far gone is probably the most classic mixtapes out of that era and then people will put it in order between one or two but Drake set the bar and everybody had to kind of keep up with that shit well that tour were on was kind of based on kush and orange juice, no?

[1050] It was based on everything that I was doing at that time.

[1051] I had kush and orange juice.

[1052] I had burn after rolling.

[1053] I was dropping the mixtapes simultaneously with the tours.

[1054] Once you were on the label, did they mind the mixtapes since they were free?

[1055] And they didn't see it as competition with themselves.

[1056] They knew that that was part of my formula of keeping my fans entertained.

[1057] Because the main thing with me was not changing how I did things.

[1058] they want to keep it organic and they want to keep me in charge of my fan base, but just multiply it.

[1059] It's a very business seat.

[1060] I don't know if anyone hates this, but it's a very Taylor Swift model where she's running the whole business.

[1061] It feels like you're in that position too.

[1062] It's your business and you're very aware of it.

[1063] When you know your fan base and your brand and if your label is smart and they know that you're better at it than them.

[1064] Right.

[1065] You get it better than they do.

[1066] Everybody eats when the project is successful.

[1067] So let's just do it the best way possible.

[1068] And a lot of my career was based off of the trust that I knew what my taste in fans was.

[1069] When you toured with Fall Out Boy, how'd that come about?

[1070] We're friends with Pete.

[1071] Yeah, we love Pete.

[1072] Pete's the man. It was really fun to go on tour with them, too.

[1073] I had always been a headliner up to that point.

[1074] I wanted to go on a tour with a group who had done it before and was bigger than me in a different genre.

[1075] so we could connect fan bases.

[1076] Some of my favorite tours were a mixture where it was like Metallica and Snoop or Rage Against the Machine and Wu -Tang.

[1077] Yes, yes, yes.

[1078] So I wanted to create an experience like that.

[1079] And when you would look out in the audience, could you differentiate who was there for you and who was there for Fall Boy or you'd have no idea?

[1080] Only the face paint would let me know.

[1081] Who was there for Fall Outlaw?

[1082] No one comes in face paint for your shows.

[1083] But other than that, it was really blended.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] And you were playing what, arenas and stuff with them?

[1086] We were doing amphitheaters.

[1087] Okay.

[1088] You just were on tour, and I'm a little bit resentful at you because of it, because we had Snoop scheduled, and then he left for this tour.

[1089] So you guys were just on this high school tour together.

[1090] How many shows did you guys play together?

[1091] How long did you know them before this?

[1092] We did 47 shows.

[1093] and we've been cool since 2011.

[1094] Where did you meet?

[1095] I met Snoop at his original compound.

[1096] I don't remember what side of town it was on.

[1097] I think it was in Tarzana.

[1098] Yeah, it was at the original compound.

[1099] With the Lakers court?

[1100] Yeah, yep.

[1101] And you click with him immediately?

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] Yeah, you guys have a similar vibe, I got to say.

[1104] That's my bro.

[1105] I learned a lot from Snoop because I never really hung around too many celebrities.

[1106] The ones that I did, hang around that weren't like my immediate circle, they kind of gave off the vibe that they were like threatened a little bit, not really comfortable being themselves around me. And Snoop was the first one that was like giving me the game and telling me how to do stuff and making sure I was good and really being a big homie out here.

[1107] Yeah, a mentor.

[1108] Yeah, somebody who wanted me to win.

[1109] And did he offer that to you or did you pursue it or was it completely equal.

[1110] It was mutual.

[1111] He came up on my music from his son.

[1112] Oh, really?

[1113] Yeah, son was listening to my mixtape.

[1114] And Snoop heard it and he was like, what the fuck?

[1115] This sound like some of my old shit.

[1116] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1117] The shit that he's talking about.

[1118] He's like, people don't talk about that shit no more.

[1119] What the fuck is this?

[1120] And he's like, this is weird Khalifa.

[1121] It's a young nigga, damn.

[1122] I don't know no young nigga could talk like that.

[1123] He called me while I was on tour and he was just like, yeah, man, you know, I really fuck with your music.

[1124] I want to do a song with you.

[1125] Oh my God.

[1126] And I want to meet you.

[1127] when you come to LA.

[1128] And then I came to LA and we shot a video for the song that we had.

[1129] But I was so cool, he was like, man, we gotta shoot a movie.

[1130] We gotta do a soundtrack.

[1131] He was like, you need to move out here.

[1132] You need to move right around a corner from my house.

[1133] Wow.

[1134] I want you to move right around a corner from my house.

[1135] Oh, that's really beautiful.

[1136] Yeah, hell yeah.

[1137] And you did, you guys did a movie together in 2012.

[1138] Yeah, that's what happened.

[1139] As soon as he told me to do it, I did it.

[1140] I was like, I'm moving to L .A. I'm moving around the corner from Snoop's house.

[1141] We were going to shoot a movie.

[1142] We did all of that shit.

[1143] We did the soundtrack.

[1144] And Young Wild and Free ended up being on that soundtrack.

[1145] We recorded that in his closet in his apartment.

[1146] Oh, my God.

[1147] Yeah.

[1148] We shot the movie.

[1149] The movie ended up doing pretty well.

[1150] Yeah, yeah.

[1151] We went on a fun promo tour for that.

[1152] Do you ever, like, take a step back or bird's eye view the whole thing and think, like, whoa.

[1153] I'm best friends with Snoop.

[1154] Snoop?

[1155] That's crazy.

[1156] There's times when I'm on stage where I'm like, man, that's crazy.

[1157] This is wild.

[1158] I love that.

[1159] I love making space for both.

[1160] We were just talking about this because one of my friends is Robert Downey Jr. And I've known for now, I don't know, 15 years.

[1161] And he's both a normal dude I'm friends with.

[1162] But then also I hold at the same time how fucking special he is to me. Both things can work at the same time.

[1163] I got Snoop Dog tatted on me, bro.

[1164] Oh, you do?

[1165] Before you met him?

[1166] No, like since I've known him.

[1167] Probably like two years ago I got his face tatted on me, just randomly.

[1168] I was like, I love this dude so much.

[1169] Oh, my God.

[1170] That's great.

[1171] That's really my guy.

[1172] When you're in a town, what we guys do?

[1173] We just hang out backstage, really.

[1174] Okay.

[1175] You're at the hotel or you're at the venue.

[1176] You're not out getting the best burger in Denver.

[1177] No, no, no, no. Because he's super noticeable.

[1178] Yeah, he's too noticeable.

[1179] And he taught me that it's cool to be like this to where he's super friendly.

[1180] love to be around people, love to interact, and, you know, it's just based off of people's temperature.

[1181] And if it gets a little bit too rowdy, we always have somebody in the cut who can kind of mediate it and get us up out of there.

[1182] So we're always the nice person and everybody's happy and that's all you're going to remember.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] What a great mentor to have.

[1185] Okay, so I'm old and I was an adult when his music came out.

[1186] What he was at the beginning, how Tipper Gore all these people are like protesting him on the news all the time is this guy bad for society now he's on sesame street my kids in the school down the street they have a hip hop month where they study hip hip up they came home and they have outlaws a snoop dog they got to fucking color him in yeah I'm like look at this life story from where he was in 95 to being taught at this elementary school and to be in the halftime show at the super bowl and own the whole city as his fucking city It's such an incredible story.

[1187] What makes it so great is, I'm obsessed with him.

[1188] He has always seemed so comfortable in his own skin.

[1189] So if he's standing up backstage to Shug, which is a crazy side of him that no one can relate to, and then playing with little kids, they're all real.

[1190] They're space for all of it.

[1191] He can be the sweetest guy in the world.

[1192] He can also sing his truth about what he saw and what he was involved in.

[1193] And it all can happen in one package.

[1194] And I find it incredible.

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] Do you think he's been encouraging about showing the soft.

[1197] playful, funnier side?

[1198] Because I think people shied away from that in the 90s.

[1199] Snoop's all about transition.

[1200] So the old Snoop Dog, he doesn't want people to think of him now as that.

[1201] And I think a lot of people get too caught up with trying to be who they were when he's perfectly happy with his legacy that he left and he's doing what Snoop Dog right now would do.

[1202] He's on top of his game at everything that he's doing and it's not repeating he can visit it for you because he's been through a lot of different stages and to know him is to know that those are real points in his life so he's just going to keep developing and keep getting more advanced as his life gets more advanced.

[1203] Yeah, you take your kid on tour with you, right?

[1204] Your son?

[1205] Then we have the same age.

[1206] I got to take a piss real quick.

[1207] Yeah, yeah, yeah, real fast.

[1208] I just wanted to start before it.

[1209] No. Take a little bit.

[1210] Take your time.

[1211] I'll beat you with your own.

[1212] Oh, yeah, that's my doorie.

[1213] Oh, can we come in?

[1214] Okay, yeah.

[1215] Yeah, we're good to go.

[1216] Stop hitting me. You talk about abuse and then here you are.

[1217] You're going to be named in a trial.

[1218] When this goes to trial, you witnessed the whole thing.

[1219] I assaulted Monica.

[1220] I didn't see shit.

[1221] So I was taking in there.

[1222] I ain't getting stitches.

[1223] Not getting jump when I go to Detroit.

[1224] Okay, yeah, yeah, watch out, watch out.

[1225] Hey, Atlanta might come for you, too.

[1226] That's true for not turning on me and becoming the key witness to put me behind bars.

[1227] Is that what you mean?

[1228] Yeah, protect me. And you have a place in Pittsburgh as well?

[1229] I do got a crib in Pittsburgh.

[1230] How often are you there?

[1231] A couple times a year, because, like I said, I got family there.

[1232] You do Christmas?

[1233] Thanksgiving.

[1234] I try to do one holiday there.

[1235] I celebrate my sibling who passed away.

[1236] I usually celebrate his birthday.

[1237] So either I do it there or out here, and then I'll do a holiday there.

[1238] there.

[1239] I usually go back home just to go kick it, like go to a game or something like that.

[1240] So then I'll go see my little cousins.

[1241] So I'm home pretty often.

[1242] You have to be like Rocky going to Philadelphia.

[1243] And the fact that you got black and yellow as a song.

[1244] It's got to be the anthem of Pittsburgh now.

[1245] It's crazy, dog.

[1246] I actually thought it was corny to have on black and yellow today.

[1247] I was like, is this weird?

[1248] But then I didn't think it was corny.

[1249] I thought it would look gimmicky like I meant to put on black yellow.

[1250] Too self -conscious.

[1251] No, no, no, I don't give a fuck.

[1252] No, no, I'm saying.

[1253] the look might appear self -conscious like you thought too much about it.

[1254] Yeah, like what if Wiz Khalifa just really walks around and black and yellow all the time?

[1255] That would be crazy, right?

[1256] No, they'd be like, this motherfucker walks the wall.

[1257] Yeah, exactly.

[1258] Dude, I was somewhere at a camping trip and McConaughey was driving around in the parking lot in circles in a goddamn Lincoln Navigator.

[1259] I said, look at this motherfucker.

[1260] He is doing it.

[1261] Just like he's in the commercial.

[1262] It's real.

[1263] I'm a little hurt that I walked you over to my Lincoln, which is the most black and gold car you're ever going to fucking see.

[1264] And you didn't really, you didn't grab on to that.

[1265] Those rims are gold.

[1266] They're gold.

[1267] Not yellow.

[1268] I mean, OG Pittsburgh is black and gold, but it was always yellow, though.

[1269] Like, that's why I said black and yellow.

[1270] And when I switched it, you know.

[1271] These aren't going to be expensive rims to replace to make them yellow.

[1272] You got to get yellow.

[1273] Yellow Forgiados, man. You can do it.

[1274] You got bread.

[1275] I got paper.

[1276] Kids is where you were.

[1277] Yes.

[1278] Is he 10?

[1279] Your son?

[1280] Sebastian.

[1281] Yeah, he's 10 years old.

[1282] Okay, so I have a 10 -year -old, too.

[1283] Oh, cool.

[1284] What's his reaction to it all?

[1285] I think there's a mixture.

[1286] There is those times where you're like, oh, man, I hope they're really loving this and just soaking this in.

[1287] And they're just worried about being a kid.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] And they're just, like, nodding off on the side of the stage.

[1290] It's late.

[1291] Yeah.

[1292] I love those times, too, because I'm like, oh, he's being a kid.

[1293] Yeah.

[1294] And then there's times where he's locked in, and I can tell he's paying attention to seeing different shit, seeing it in a different way.

[1295] And I'm like, wow, this is cool, too, because I'm not pushing him into it.

[1296] He's naturally vibing with it.

[1297] I don't think it's terrible that we want our kids.

[1298] I want my kids to think I'm cool.

[1299] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1300] When you're on tour with them, I heard you talking about this on Kimmel, there's the kid version of tour, and then there's the adult version of tour.

[1301] Just walk me through.

[1302] Like when he's with you, how many dates will he go out with you?

[1303] He could ride for the whole tour if he wants to.

[1304] He usually goes back like a week or two early.

[1305] This year he went back two weeks early to start school and shit.

[1306] Was he at Red Rock?

[1307] Did you do Red Rock?

[1308] That was a 420 show.

[1309] Who smokes more weed, you or Snoop?

[1310] Me now.

[1311] I had a question about wheat.

[1312] Well, first of all, let's talk about you have your own weed.

[1313] You have your own strain.

[1314] Khalifa Kush.

[1315] Best weed in the world.

[1316] What does Snoop say?

[1317] Because he's got his own strain, right?

[1318] Best weed in the world.

[1319] They'd be like, man, don't give me that KK, man. Give me something else.

[1320] We call it KKK.

[1321] And is it Sativa or Indica heavy?

[1322] Indica.

[1323] You're very prolific on it.

[1324] You're energized by it.

[1325] You're creative on it.

[1326] When do we start?

[1327] As soon as we wake up?

[1328] Hell yeah.

[1329] Now, do you not want like an hour without it so you have something to compare it to?

[1330] Does that make sense?

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] Like, how do you even know if you're stoned if you're stoned when you wake up?

[1333] If you're me. Yeah, tell me. which nobody is.

[1334] Yeah, who could be.

[1335] There's four guys in the whole world that could pull those boots off and you're one of them.

[1336] Yeah, and then I follow the other four on Instagram.

[1337] I got other shit to do other than smoking weed.

[1338] The weed is a part of it.

[1339] So I gotta wake up, I got four dogs, I got to feed those dogs.

[1340] I got my son.

[1341] I got to make sure he's up brushing his teeth, getting his outfit together, making sure he's fresh as hell for school.

[1342] That's your hour right there.

[1343] I got you.

[1344] Without smoking weed.

[1345] Okay, and then you drive your kid to school.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] Me too.

[1348] But I get stoned before I drive.

[1349] Okay.

[1350] I hit the weed before we leave.

[1351] Right.

[1352] So you don't have a road rate incident.

[1353] I mean, you know, it just makes everything better.

[1354] Life is better when you're high.

[1355] Wait, can we talk about that?

[1356] I'm curious.

[1357] Yeah.

[1358] There's sometimes where I wake up and it's the very first thing that I do.

[1359] Sure.

[1360] Yeah.

[1361] If you don't have your responsibility.

[1362] It's not mandatory to be the very first thing.

[1363] But we wake and bake over here every day.

[1364] Right.

[1365] Was the name of a two or ten years ago?

[1366] You declared this long ago.

[1367] It's just, There's levels to it.

[1368] A lot of people look at being constantly stoned as never having a sober moment in life.

[1369] And that's not what is going on over here.

[1370] I'm just more high than I'm not.

[1371] And, oh, go ahead.

[1372] Did you want one before?

[1373] Well, I was just curious, when did you start smoking?

[1374] I don't really tell people when I start smoking.

[1375] Because you don't want to encourage other.

[1376] Yeah, I don't really encourage it.

[1377] Got it coffee.

[1378] Okay.

[1379] There's like actors not admitting they're on testosterone.

[1380] That makes sense.

[1381] That makes sense.

[1382] I don't know kids taking testosterone.

[1383] But when you started, smoking, did you immediately feel more productive or energized or I feel less angry or anxious?

[1384] I started smoking for music purposes.

[1385] Because I didn't smoke weed all the time coming up.

[1386] In Japan.

[1387] Yeah, I was a normal kid and shit and then I got exposed to it and I was around a bunch of musicians who were smoking a shit ton of pot.

[1388] And they were like, man, you're hard but like, you know, that's how we talk.

[1389] You could rap.

[1390] Like your music is hard.

[1391] You're good at what you do, but as soon as you start smoking weed, it's going to take it to the next level.

[1392] I was like, nah, whatever.

[1393] I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

[1394] And then one day I was like, fuck it, I'm going to just try it.

[1395] And then I heard music totally differently.

[1396] It was a completely different experience with music that I had ever had.

[1397] And it was something that I could physically grasp.

[1398] So I started smoking weed and playing with music.

[1399] I was already recording before.

[1400] But that was the thing that drew me to it.

[1401] and then just life experiences based around pot meeting people.

[1402] I'm the weed guy.

[1403] You know, you guys do whatever you want to do.

[1404] I'm the guy who's going to get stoned.

[1405] And then being in the neighborhoods that I grew up in, too, there's a lot of other shit to be getting into that's way worse.

[1406] I got into all that.

[1407] You weren't drawn to that at all?

[1408] No, no. Weed was just the way to be down, but not be fully.

[1409] Not even like with using hard drugs because I'm on the other side of it being black.

[1410] It's like selling that shit.

[1411] You know what I'm saying?

[1412] I never wanted to sell hard drugs.

[1413] Because it gets way more violent.

[1414] You got way more people trying to rob you.

[1415] The vibe is totally different.

[1416] So I was always cool selling weed in high school as opposed to different things.

[1417] Yeah.

[1418] So it just made me more comfortable.

[1419] And this business you have is no enormous, no?

[1420] It's like national.

[1421] Yeah, we're all over the place, man. Is it insanely profitable?

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] It's another poker in the fire, right?

[1424] It's another opportunity.

[1425] Yeah, for sure.

[1426] As all this stuff ebbs and flows as it does, right?

[1427] This is maybe more predictable and stable?

[1428] No, I wouldn't say predictable and stable Because the law has changed all the time But they're only getting more lenient, no It looks like the trend is that I don't know how many states are right now Like 24 states It's still new Where we're at right now We weren't here five years ago So as profitable as it is And looking right now I wouldn't have been able to say this Five years ago So five years from now We're planning on that But you never fucking know Right Because what is it in right now 24 states or something?

[1429] Yeah, yeah Now also you're at the front of the shrooms business.

[1430] Yeah, yep.

[1431] Tell me about this.

[1432] I just start a company called Mr. Caps, and with mushrooms, the psychedelic kind of mushrooms aren't necessarily legal yet, but you can grow your own mushrooms that still have medicinal properties, calming, and just connecting.

[1433] There's a lot of research being done with mushrooms and their connectivity to human DNA.

[1434] Well, if they're not psilocybin, what are they?

[1435] Like Lions Main and stuff?

[1436] There's so many different ones that you can grow.

[1437] So we got the whole menu.

[1438] And will you get into psilocybin if those get me?

[1439] Absolutely.

[1440] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1441] That's the crossover.

[1442] So we got the regular brand already grassroots five, 10 years, however long it takes for the psilocybin to become legal.

[1443] Then we just add that to the menu.

[1444] And how do you deal with the, this is probably too personal, but I know when it was started in the early days, because the banks are federal and it's still federal illegal, How do you deal with all the money?

[1445] The main thing is how you have your crops grown.

[1446] That's where we're the best and the most safe at.

[1447] And that's how the money is able to flow the way that it does.

[1448] The seeds are able to flow the way it does.

[1449] The product is able to flow the way it does.

[1450] Is it mostly grown in California?

[1451] It's grown all over the place, but it's by one company.

[1452] And it's the same seed everywhere.

[1453] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

[1454] Okay, now Callie Sober.

[1455] That's your newest album.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] Listen to it all morning over and over again.

[1458] Okay.

[1459] It's so fucking good.

[1460] Thanks, bro.

[1461] Oh, my God.

[1462] Sexy Bath is incredible.

[1463] Thank you, man. Sexy Bath.

[1464] The first song on the album, Callie Sober, is you and Mike Tyson smoking weed.

[1465] Oh, wow.

[1466] Yeah, yeah.

[1467] How incredible is that?

[1468] Fun.

[1469] Yeah, tell me about that.

[1470] You invite him to the studio?

[1471] How does this get arranged?

[1472] I did Mike's podcast.

[1473] And they took some, well, I did the mixtape with DJ Who Kid.

[1474] And like I was telling you about mixtape culture.

[1475] Yeah.

[1476] Artist DJ.

[1477] So I'm the artist Who Kids is the DJ.

[1478] And I was like, yo, chop up some shit and just make it fun.

[1479] And he took a clip from the podcast that me and Mike Tyson when we were smoking on his podcast, because he smokes a lot of weed.

[1480] Yeah, yeah.

[1481] This is a potentially dicey question.

[1482] But do you feel like your hands are tied talking about other people?

[1483] Let's just say culturally, I think there's a different.

[1484] about talking about other people's business.

[1485] You mean, like, between black people and white people?

[1486] Yeah, yeah.

[1487] Don't you think?

[1488] No. No, okay.

[1489] I don't think so.

[1490] Okay.

[1491] I think I know what you're talking about, though.

[1492] I think you're saying, like, if you say something about a black dude, he'd be like, what the fuck you're talking about, man?

[1493] Let me say my name, bro.

[1494] Well, yeah, I don't know if I would do that character, but I definitely think minding each other's privacy is part of the...

[1495] Well, to me...

[1496] I think...

[1497] For obvious reasons.

[1498] I think it's a general, like, common respect, yeah.

[1499] Yeah.

[1500] But I think you're saying because there's more of a vulnerability.

[1501] That's just the reality, like you said, the cops are arresting you for things.

[1502] They're not arresting other people for.

[1503] So there's a sense of like, don't get me in trouble type of thing.

[1504] Well, hold on.

[1505] Even the expression putting you on blast, then they come out of the white world.

[1506] We took it.

[1507] And we loved it.

[1508] That shit might have came from Alabama.

[1509] Well, we'll have to work it up.

[1510] There's some country shit that's pretty close.

[1511] No, I feel you.

[1512] I feel you.

[1513] Some of the country stuff is pretty indistinguishable from some of those stuff.

[1514] You know, it just travels, you know.

[1515] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1516] And a lot of country slang is hood slang.

[1517] I know.

[1518] That's true.

[1519] West Coast got their own slang.

[1520] East Coast got their own slang.

[1521] East Coast slang is crazy.

[1522] My New York family, oh, man, I love talking to them.

[1523] Really?

[1524] Yeah, yeah.

[1525] But back to the putting you on blast.

[1526] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1527] What's the context of that?

[1528] Because I want to know.

[1529] Well, like, I asked you about Tyson.

[1530] I just felt like this slight little apprehension to, like, indulge.

[1531] Yeah.

[1532] Oh.

[1533] All right.

[1534] You went on Mike Tyson story?

[1535] He's cool as fuck.

[1536] Yeah, yeah.

[1537] I met Mike Tyson at the Grammys.

[1538] And he gave me, like, a big ass hug.

[1539] And, like, that's how I thought he was going to be.

[1540] Like, anybody who doesn't meet Mike Tyson, they're going to think, like, oh, this dude is scary or he's going to punch you in the face.

[1541] But I'm like, I'm a fan.

[1542] of Mike Tyson and he's standing right next man i was like what's up mike he was like oh he gave me hug you like what's up and then that's what our relationships always been based off of just being cool and shit like that so that's why i was able to do his podcast and like smoke hell of weed one of him okay i love him he's one of my favorite people i more of his quotes memorized than almost anybody he's always my favorite on stern he's so fucking good yeah he's a good dude i've got a few insane mike tyson stories i think you'll enjoy this one i had been on your already I don't know what it is.

[1543] I had been on TV for five minutes, okay?

[1544] I go to Vegas with a friend to go see a fight.

[1545] And a few people recognized me, and I was so excited.

[1546] So the friend I'm with, we're sitting at the fight, and fucking Mike Tyson's like six rows ahead of us.

[1547] And he, teasing me, he's like, why don't you go see if Mike Tyson's a fan?

[1548] Seem to think everyone here knows who you are.

[1549] I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, funny, funny.

[1550] We're leaving the fight.

[1551] We're walking down the hallway of the MGM.

[1552] I feel a hand on my shoulder.

[1553] I turn around, there's this enormous dude like 6 -8, and he goes, Mike wants to talk to you.

[1554] I look beyond him, and Mike Tyson's there.

[1555] I'm like, oh, my God, Mike Tyson knows who I am.

[1556] He wants to talk to me. I go up to Mike Tyson.

[1557] I'm like, hey, I'm Dax.

[1558] He goes, yeah, I know who you are.

[1559] I saw the punk.

[1560] You're so funny.

[1561] I can't believe you can do that on the spot.

[1562] I'd love to be on the show.

[1563] I'm like, oh, my God, we would fucking love to have you on the show.

[1564] You name the day, you know.

[1565] I swear to God was seven days later.

[1566] I'm in L .A. at the Staples Center for the NBA All -Star game.

[1567] walk outside waiting for valet look over mike tyson's 10 feet away i'm with a new friend now i'm going to show off i go check this out mike tyson loves me go up to mike tyson just start by putting my hand right on his shoulder hey mike way too much he turns around he looks at me and he goes get your fucking hand off my shoulder and i take my hand off but i think it's me Oh, he's showing me that he can punk me. And I go, oh, my God, that's great.

[1568] Now I tap him.

[1569] Now I'm like, oh, yeah, that's great.

[1570] And he's like, touch me. I'm going to break your fucking head open.

[1571] And then I realize, oh, he's not joking.

[1572] Somehow in seven days, he knew who I was seven days ago.

[1573] And now at the Staples Center, he has no clue who I am.

[1574] And it was quite a moment.

[1575] He didn't see that week's episode of punk.

[1576] He exactly.

[1577] My theory is he must have seen punked in the, the elevator on the way down to the fight.

[1578] It was fresh in his mind.

[1579] And then he just erased his hard drive that week.

[1580] Or he's in a sense, though.

[1581] And then he's been very, very sweet.

[1582] Maybe he thought he was getting punked.

[1583] So he was playing along.

[1584] Whatever the case was.

[1585] That's a good one.

[1586] I had not had that feeling looking at another man since I was a kid where I was like, oh, you're in deep shit right now.

[1587] This goes sideways like you were in deep shit.

[1588] Damn, bro.

[1589] Mike's pretty scared.

[1590] Gary.

[1591] He can be.

[1592] And that's what it is.

[1593] It's 50 -50, man. It can go both ways.

[1594] But he's also, like, so sweet.

[1595] I've seen the sweet side of him, too.

[1596] I'm delighted to see he's doing well, and he's got the podcast.

[1597] It's the weed, man. Yeah.

[1598] It works for him.

[1599] My favorite thing he said on Stern was, if someone tells me that having a lot of money will make you happy, what I know about them immediately is they've never had a lot of money.

[1600] Yeah, it's pretty true.

[1601] Okay, well, the new album's incredible.

[1602] Everyone should be buying Khalifa Kush.

[1603] Smoking.

[1604] And Callie Sober, that's pretty funny Because that's a sane, obviously Yeah, yep I just learned it You did Yeah I quit drinking recently, so Oh, you did?

[1605] Yeah, so I'm actually Cali sober How's that going?

[1606] Really good Monica just did it for a month Yeah, I did it for a month A month -ish Yeah, I didn't like it I'm back on it Drin's fun as fuck I know Tell me about it The sauce is awesome What made you get off You just wanted to be healthier I just got too much shit to do.

[1607] They don't balance him with all of that shit.

[1608] Getting fucked up.

[1609] You can't do both.

[1610] You get to an age where a hangover, you're out for a fucking day.

[1611] Like, okay, just erased a day out of my life.

[1612] If there's one that I'd rather commit to, it's this one.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] Mary Jane.

[1615] Okay, well, listen, it's been a blast meeting you.

[1616] I hope everybody immediately goes and listens to Callie Sober.

[1617] Yeah, listen to Cali Sober, man. It's so good.

[1618] Fuck is it good.

[1619] And I got new music on the way, too.

[1620] I'm going to be dropping another mixtape.

[1621] at the end of this month.

[1622] Oh.

[1623] Where does one go to get the mixtape?

[1624] Because I even went on Spotify to listen to some of your mixtapes.

[1625] It'll come up, but I can't play it.

[1626] Are mixtapes is available as your normal releases or no?

[1627] Yeah, they are.

[1628] What one did I just look?

[1629] I bet if I pull up Spotify right now, I can tell you the one that, no, I got Jasmine a Taz guru, because guru died.

[1630] You might have to upgrade your subscription, Playa.

[1631] Well, we are on Spotify.

[1632] We have an exclusive podcast with Spotify.

[1633] It should be available to us.

[1634] Yeah, yeah, 28 grams I can't listen to on Spotify.

[1635] Oh, that's not on Spotify.

[1636] It looks like it's there, and it's got all the songs.

[1637] But when I push play, they're like, no, you can't.

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] That seems like...

[1640] So, like, where would I listen to 28 grams?

[1641] That was a free mixtape.

[1642] So when I dropped that, that was at a time where this website called Dad Piff was really popular.

[1643] Dat Piff isn't even up anymore.

[1644] So just even the format of that is not updated in streaming form.

[1645] 28 grams is a package.

[1646] of files that if you had it before you can listen to it but to go on streaming service right now it doesn't exist because the free music hasn't been cleared the producers haven't been put through the system I think it's on SoundCloud SoundCloud?

[1647] Is that where I should go to get all your mixtapes?

[1648] No not all of them.

[1649] Some of the mixtapes have crossed over into streaming services but I have so many mixtapes that some slip through the cracks.

[1650] Yeah.

[1651] Just Google it.

[1652] You're so prolific, it's crazy.

[1653] I am.

[1654] I know, you are like a motherfucker.

[1655] Yeah, I really am.

[1656] Like, how many mixtapes have you made?

[1657] Do you know?

[1658] In the 20s, man. What album is Callie Sober?

[1659] What number is that?

[1660] 20 -something.

[1661] Wow.

[1662] And do you feel it's slowing down at all or no?

[1663] No, I just said I'm releasing another mixtape at the end of this month.

[1664] And is it just as easy for you to be creative now that you're comfortable?

[1665] That can get in your way.

[1666] It's easy for me to be creative.

[1667] I don't really feel comfortable.

[1668] My goal and just drive comes from being inspired and getting better musically.

[1669] So I feel like I could write songs better this week than I've been able to write in my whole life.

[1670] Knowing that and just applying those techniques and for the world to be able to hear it and coming up with different business models and plans and just being excited about the job and getting to work and having a goal and accomplishing that shit.

[1671] That's what my music really is to me. How many hours in a given week will you be in a studio?

[1672] I usually start at like 7 o 'clock, and I usually get done at 2 in the morning.

[1673] 7 p .m.?

[1674] Yeah.

[1675] And you go to 2 in the morning.

[1676] Yeah.

[1677] And how many days a week do you do that?

[1678] Five.

[1679] Get out.

[1680] You're working at like a job.

[1681] Might as well.

[1682] And people come by.

[1683] Are you by yourself?

[1684] People come by.

[1685] Sometimes I'm by myself.

[1686] Sometimes I work at home.

[1687] Do you like collaborating?

[1688] I love to collaborate.

[1689] And do you have a dream collaboration?

[1690] You haven't done yet?

[1691] I'm down to work with anybody who wants to work for me. I'll do it.

[1692] Say no more.

[1693] Let's get it.

[1694] Let's do it.

[1695] Detroit and Pittsburgh.

[1696] Everyone's been waiting for this.

[1697] There's a couple people I want to work with.

[1698] Jay Z would be fun to work with.

[1699] Okay.

[1700] That was...

[1701] M &M would be fun to work with.

[1702] Detroit.

[1703] You're singing to the choir now.

[1704] Raphael Sadeek, I want to work with him.

[1705] Swiss Beets is a producer that I want to work with.

[1706] Not just a producer, but that's my partner and I've been wanting to work with him for a long time.

[1707] There's a couple people that I want to do some music with.

[1708] Can we talk about Jay Z for one second?

[1709] Sure.

[1710] Oh my God, I love him so much.

[1711] Jay Z's tight, right?

[1712] Fuck.

[1713] Dax wants to be him, I would say.

[1714] Oh, fuck.

[1715] I was about to say J .D. That's Jermaine DePree.

[1716] We can't do that.

[1717] But yeah, Jay Z's the shit.

[1718] There's so many things we could focus on.

[1719] There's the music.

[1720] Yeah.

[1721] There's just him.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] One of my best embarrassing stories of all time.

[1724] My wife had invited me to the Met Gala like four times.

[1725] And I said, I don't want to go to that.

[1726] I don't want to wear a tuxedo, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[1727] That was one of those times you were getting in the way of yourself.

[1728] Absolutely.

[1729] Because you should have been at the Met Gala for show.

[1730] Well, she said, you're going to come this year because we'll be at Jay -Z's table.

[1731] And I said, we will absolutely be there.

[1732] I can't wait.

[1733] Go to the Met Gala and at the table is a bunch of exciting people.

[1734] Sasha Baron Cohen's there.

[1735] Kanye's there.

[1736] Jay -Z and Beyonce.

[1737] I think it's fair to say everyone liked me. Jay -Z, I gave my A -game too.

[1738] And I promise you if he'd seen me in the bathroom in the middle of, the meal.

[1739] He wouldn't have known who I was.

[1740] Right.

[1741] It was the biggest misfire in my life.

[1742] I was like a tough crowd.

[1743] He is.

[1744] He doesn't have any people pleaser in him.

[1745] Or maybe at this point he doesn't.

[1746] I don't think that has anything to do with it, but sure.

[1747] He don't come from that era.

[1748] People pleasing?

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] Do you feel that need?

[1751] Just naturally I came up kind of people pleasing.

[1752] It didn't have anything to do with my career.

[1753] It's just more of my surroundings.

[1754] Well, you're the younger brother like me. Yeah.

[1755] And all the moving around.

[1756] Yeah, the moving.

[1757] A lot of my environment was doing shit so I could just kind of blend and, you know what I mean, and just get by.

[1758] I'm not going to really blame it on not being like everybody else, but I never fit in.

[1759] You're always playing a role a little bit?

[1760] Not really playing a role, but it's like you got to find some type of normal to be normal.

[1761] I didn't want to be on my own island just anywhere.

[1762] That's why I'm able to be an entertainer because I can connect with people on.

[1763] some level and that's a passion of mind too is connecting with people so being weird you got to figure out a way to connect with people and sometimes that's just understanding them and you know early on you don't really know when you're doing more for a crowd or if you're really doing it for because you're good at it right yeah yeah so it's like who is this really for they can start leading you a little bit right right right and you just have to get back to what your original reason for being there is.

[1764] So I think in life, I learned the difference between people loving me for who I am and putting on that show.

[1765] I think I walked away from the Jay -Z experience going, I get it.

[1766] This dude's attention and time, he knows the value of it.

[1767] He don't got to put on no show for a lot.

[1768] He's not squandering it and he don't need friends.

[1769] And some people don't like small talk and shit like that.

[1770] Like, that's cool.

[1771] There's nothing wrong with that.

[1772] I respect that.

[1773] Hella.

[1774] I envy it.

[1775] I'm a people pleaser.

[1776] If we get in an elevator together, man, And I'll fucking break the silence.

[1777] I'll make sure it's not awkward.

[1778] Like, let's go.

[1779] I'll tell some jokes.

[1780] There's no way I can just sit in there and be awkward with you.

[1781] You're going to get a show.

[1782] Because you don't want to be uncomfortable.

[1783] It's about your own comfort level.

[1784] That's true.

[1785] Uncomfortable silence is not uncomfortable to everybody.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] If you're the one saying like, I got to break it, that means you're uncomfortable.

[1788] To me, it's insufferable.

[1789] You're right.

[1790] Silence?

[1791] Yeah.

[1792] Oh, it's terrifying.

[1793] What's going to happen?

[1794] I like to be quiet sometimes.

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] All right, well, this has been a blast.

[1797] You're one of only a handful of guests that have been taller than me, so you're in an elite group.

[1798] And younger than me. Yeah, younger than Monica and taller than that.

[1799] Still, it counts.

[1800] 15 days.

[1801] A lot happened in those 15 days.

[1802] Oh, so much happened.

[1803] Your mom was in labor.

[1804] That was it.

[1805] Well, my mom was in labor.

[1806] That was it.

[1807] That's true.

[1808] Yeah, your mom was like, it's time.

[1809] I was early, so, you know, maybe we were supposed to be the same age, exactly.

[1810] To be birthday buddies.

[1811] We'd still be birthday buddies technically.

[1812] We can be.

[1813] We can be.

[1814] We were celebrating birthday parties, yeah.

[1815] If we were celebrating birthday parties, it would have to be at the same time.

[1816] That's right.

[1817] You'd have to split the diff.

[1818] You'd have to go like September 2nd.

[1819] So we are birthday buddies.

[1820] Okay, I like that.

[1821] This is perfect.

[1822] We worked it all up.

[1823] We all are people pleasers at the end of the day.

[1824] Yeah, I'm a team player.

[1825] Yeah, I like that.

[1826] I want to win.

[1827] Great meeting you.

[1828] I hope we can come see you for four.

[1829] Yes.

[1830] Yeah, I would love that.

[1831] Yeah, it would be sick.

[1832] When are you touring next?

[1833] That's the thing.

[1834] I'm about to start working on my album now.

[1835] And based off of when I put the album out, it's going to determine the tour.

[1836] When have you played Callie Sober?

[1837] Were you playing that on the Snoop Tour?

[1838] No, I dropped Callie Sober in October.

[1839] Right.

[1840] So why aren't we out touring with that?

[1841] Why do we got to wait for another album?

[1842] This is confusing how this works with the mixtapes.

[1843] That's what I'm saying.

[1844] If I'm going to sit here and explain the whole reason, for a mixtape is to feed the streets and to set up the album and you're not going to understand it then what else do I got to say?

[1845] So wait, hold on, Callie Sober's a mixtape?

[1846] But I got to get it on the spotter.

[1847] Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[1848] But I also told you that me and Drake started the full projects as mixtapes.

[1849] I got you.

[1850] So it might sound like a full project.

[1851] It certainly does.

[1852] I can't imagine it sounding better.

[1853] Yeah, because that's just from the era that we come from.

[1854] So I'm putting you onto a culture.

[1855] You're learning.

[1856] I'm trying my hardest.

[1857] I'm a little old is the problem.

[1858] He has dyslexia.

[1859] That's the thing.

[1860] See, I got a 10 -year -old.

[1861] So I'm still learning shit, too, at 36.

[1862] You got to be willing to learn.

[1863] I'm trying.

[1864] I'm trying, my heart.

[1865] You got to be willing.

[1866] You got to really open your mind.

[1867] You can't just be walking around out here like, oh, is this a mixtape?

[1868] Because I'm playing it on Spotify.

[1869] You got to be like, WISH just dropped a mixtape.

[1870] on Spotify, let's get it.

[1871] Because that's how you stay connected to the world, man. I knew I would expose my nerdy now.

[1872] It's very rare.

[1873] I'm gonna be honest with you.

[1874] I'm just saying, like, don't let yourself get old and oblivious, bro.

[1875] Oh, no, I'm trying.

[1876] Like, you gotta stay tapped in because your kids, you're gonna have to experience their experiences with them.

[1877] Or they're gonna do it with some crazy -ass kids who's fucking popping pills and not gonna fucking have their best interest in mind.

[1878] So you gotta know what they're into, you got to know what they're up to.

[1879] You got to know what they're digesting.

[1880] You got to know what their words mean.

[1881] You got to know what their technology is.

[1882] You got to know all of that shit.

[1883] You can't let that shit fly out of your head.

[1884] Wiz, I went and saw the fucking Eros movie.

[1885] You think I'm not doing that?

[1886] I'm just saying, bro.

[1887] I was at the Taylor Swift movie.

[1888] I'm just telling you, bro.

[1889] Did you do something with her?

[1890] That shit's important.

[1891] I came out for a CEO again.

[1892] She brought me out a few years ago.

[1893] That's awesome.

[1894] To sing see you again.

[1895] Yeah, Taylor's a boss, man. She's a G. My son's a Taylor Swift fan.

[1896] How could he not be?

[1897] She makes really good music, and she's, like, super duper in control of her career.

[1898] But don't just be into Taylor Swift, absorb everything that is going on out here.

[1899] Do you not get lost in the sauce, Dax?

[1900] We love you.

[1901] We need you out here.

[1902] Last one.

[1903] We need Dax in the field.

[1904] Other than my J .Z obsession.

[1905] You know who is in a two -way tie now with Jay -Z for me?

[1906] Who?

[1907] Is PAC.

[1908] Who's PAC?

[1909] Anderson Pack.

[1910] Oh, okay.

[1911] I never heard him called PAC before.

[1912] Okay.

[1913] Now, you put me up on games.

[1914] Do you love Anderson back?

[1915] Yeah.

[1916] Okay, just like, yeah, or like, we can cut it.

[1917] Come on.

[1918] Yeah, you can be honest with us.

[1919] We cut so much stuff.

[1920] See, that's, y 'all not thinking that I want to talk about.

[1921] Yeah, that was.

[1922] Yeah, well.

[1923] But what happened with me is.

[1924] You got like a weird, yeah.

[1925] I just answered your question.

[1926] You said, do I like him?

[1927] I know.

[1928] But, like, I want to bond with you.

[1929] Like, do you fucking love that?

[1930] When they panned over at the fucking halftime show and you're like, this motherfuckercker's been playing drums this whole time?

[1931] Are you kidding me?

[1932] Yeah.

[1933] Oh, my God.

[1934] Was I happy with that smile?

[1935] That one they're probably to play the drums, too.

[1936] It was hard, bro.

[1937] You listen to his albums?

[1938] Every one.

[1939] I fucking know every single word.

[1940] But maybe not, I don't know.

[1941] He doesn't drop mixed tapes.

[1942] He does drop mixed tapes.

[1943] Oh, God.

[1944] Come on.

[1945] So much to learn.

[1946] Yeah, he's got, like, group projects with people, and they change their name, and it's him and two other dudes as DJs.

[1947] That's the fun part about being in the underground.

[1948] You know, you're not just getting force -fed what everybody else is eating out here.

[1949] You're discovering your own.

[1950] plate and your palate is way, way more experienced.

[1951] Yeah, eclectic.

[1952] Yeah, yeah.

[1953] You might need to just email us some stuff.

[1954] But Peck is a good friend of mine.

[1955] He is?

[1956] He's a really cool dude.

[1957] We came up together kind of in the same era.

[1958] Yeah, I was going to say, is he roughly your age or is he a little older?

[1959] Yeah, he's older than me. Okay.

[1960] Is he older than you and younger than me?

[1961] Or is he older than both of them?

[1962] He's older than both.

[1963] What if he was born in those?

[1964] He's like in the right in the middle.

[1965] Yeah.

[1966] He's been in the studio with Dre for freaking.

[1967] a long time, Dr. Dre.

[1968] Yeah.

[1969] So he learned really, really, really good shit and has been able to apply it, not only to his career, musically, writing, he's DJ, and now I don't know if you know, he's like DJ peewee.

[1970] I did not know that.

[1971] He dresses up in a whole thing, and he does vinyl -only DJ sets.

[1972] Really?

[1973] It's funny, this is just me being me, like, thinking, we went from you saying PAC and me being like, yeah, and you being like, we can cut it to me. And I'm like, you don't know about his DJ sets, bro?

[1974] Like, and we're friends.

[1975] Yeah.

[1976] But that's what he wants.

[1977] That's why we need to say, yeah.

[1978] I'll give it to you, but it's like, yeah, you got to earn it, I guess, a little bit.

[1979] Why are you going to say, I'm Jay -Zing you right now?

[1980] I'm telling you.

[1981] You told us at the beginning.

[1982] Everyone's got to earn your trust and affection, so.

[1983] But yeah, Anderson Pocky does really, really dope DJ sets.

[1984] Where can I see them?

[1985] He just does them live.

[1986] He does them live.

[1987] They all at a lot of corporate parties and, intimate events and shit like that.

[1988] You probably don't go out like that no more.

[1989] I got two little kids.

[1990] But if you ever step out, though, I told you, man, we're getting in the field, bro.

[1991] Oh, I would go anywhere with you.

[1992] If you called me and just gave me an address and a time.

[1993] Yeah, and I don't drink, so it's like, it's just going to be a real good time, bro.

[1994] Hell yeah.

[1995] We're both so tall.

[1996] It's going to work out.

[1997] Well, your wife will be pissed when you come home.

[1998] She is going to be so mad.

[1999] I would definitely wear boots.

[2000] You're going to say different words.

[2001] Did you ever watch?

[2002] Doobie rolled up in your ear.

[2003] That's not allowed for this.

[2004] You're probably too young, but did you ever watch hits from the street on BET?

[2005] Yeah.

[2006] Okay, do you know Al?

[2007] He was hits.

[2008] Yeah.

[2009] So he was on the first season to punked with me. And he and I were best friends.

[2010] We got on so good.

[2011] And that year of my life was the most fun because it was that.

[2012] It was meeting him at 1 a .m. on Sunday in Culver City at a warehouse.

[2013] Then we were at this other club.

[2014] I was about to say.

[2015] Yes.

[2016] It was so much fucking fun.

[2017] Yeah.

[2018] You need a black best friend.

[2019] Yeah.

[2020] My black best friend.

[2021] are female mostly.

[2022] You need a homeboy who's tall and you need a black version of you.

[2023] I always keep the white version of me a tall, skinny white dude with me because you need a black you.

[2024] That's my partner, Will.

[2025] Will, okay, so he's the white you.

[2026] Yeah, it's white wiz.

[2027] All right, this is perfect, white whiz.

[2028] Fuck, I'll go black dax.

[2029] Oh my God, you're not allowed to say that.

[2030] You can say it as much as you want.

[2031] We got to find you a black dax.

[2032] Yeah.

[2033] I'll be black dax.

[2034] Let's do it.

[2035] I think we're, yeah.

[2036] I mean, we can overcome this age gap, right?

[2037] I was about to say it's pretty age -appropriate.

[2038] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2039] Because I know how to chill, but I'll get you on some rowdy shit.

[2040] Black Dax all day.

[2041] Okay, listen, and you know why?

[2042] Because we both have 10 -year -olds, we're trapped in the same mindset anyways.

[2043] Like, that makes us the same age because we're both dealing with 10 -year -olds.

[2044] Yeah, hell yeah.

[2045] Oh, I can't wait for this.

[2046] I got a whole new chapter of my life -coming, Monica.

[2047] You're going to be showing up to the school events.

[2048] You're going to be the man. You already are.

[2049] I'm going to get that low -rider.

[2050] We're already are.

[2051] We got a ride.

[2052] ride together because you have low riders people don't know this we talked in the driveway i really want a 94 fleetwood yeah oh yeah we did talk about that yeah what do you what do you have my joints is from the 60s 62 impala yeah at 64 impala and i got a 57 belair and that's on hydroics no i didn't cut that one oh you didn't yeah yeah okay that's just a straight hot rod yeah oh that's lovely i want a 55 it's actually a 56 bell air that's not a 50s yeah that's better yeah it's i don't like the huge fins.

[2053] The 56 and the 55, those are the cars.

[2054] Yeah, I got a 56, yep.

[2055] We're made for each other.

[2056] Come on black dots in the building, bro.

[2057] I guess I'm white whiz.

[2058] That works.

[2059] Let's go.

[2060] Okay, that, yeah.

[2061] All right.

[2062] We'll go out on that.

[2063] Yeah.

[2064] Monica's getting more and more scared.

[2065] Oh, y 'all's scared.

[2066] You're talking about, y 'all, don't cut this.

[2067] No, no, no. I know.

[2068] But she's waiting for me to say the thing that we'll have to get cut.

[2069] Exactly.

[2070] We just got to wrap it up.

[2071] All right.

[2072] All right.

[2073] All right.

[2074] All right.

[2075] All right, boy.

[2076] But this was very fun.

[2077] Thanks for coming.

[2078] Thanks for having me. I appreciate you.

[2079] Take me to that Anderson pack fucking DJ set.

[2080] DJ set.

[2081] I'm going to get your number.

[2082] Wait, I want to go to that.

[2083] Can I come to - I want to come to some of the things?

[2084] You need white Monica.

[2085] Yeah, but I'm pretty white.

[2086] Well, no, you're Indian.

[2087] You're not white.

[2088] Not by color standards, but I'm not cool.

[2089] I'm like white in that way.

[2090] You just need some seasoning.

[2091] Do you want some real talk?

[2092] We're here.

[2093] Let's do some real talk.

[2094] I'm going to be honest with you.

[2095] So I lived in downtown Detroit.

[2096] For me, poor white people and the black people I knew in Detroit, we have more in common than I had with the rich white people.

[2097] Hell yeah.

[2098] Like we had the same government block of cheese, right?

[2099] We know what's up.

[2100] So I've always felt so comfortable.

[2101] The only two times I've felt so fucking white, it's kind of happened here today a little bit.

[2102] Have you felt that?

[2103] Yeah, you could feel it.

[2104] But what's crazy is the only other time, and you've heard me say this on here, was Snoop.

[2105] And he was giving me so much love.

[2106] It could have been so great.

[2107] Great.

[2108] And as I was talking to him, I'm like, God damn it, I'm white.

[2109] This is fucking brutal.

[2110] It's just because we got hell of swag, you know.

[2111] So much swagger.

[2112] Yeah, we got hell of swag.

[2113] And I've got like hillbilly swagger.

[2114] It works in a different realm.

[2115] No, you good.

[2116] Take the compliment.

[2117] Okay, I'll take it.

[2118] I'll take it.

[2119] But I think it's funny that the only other person I felt super white in front was your best friend, Snoop.

[2120] Me and Snoop, we love white people.

[2121] I was just out of show the other day.

[2122] This lady walked up to me and she was like, you know, Snoop, my mom produced this show.

[2123] for blah, blah, blah.

[2124] When she called you, Snoom.

[2125] And I was like, hold on, go back a little bit.

[2126] She was like, my mom produced the show.

[2127] I was like, no, go back.

[2128] And she was like, hold on.

[2129] And I was like, no. Right there, in the middle.

[2130] Would you just call me?

[2131] She was like, Snoop.

[2132] I was like, I'm not Snoop.

[2133] And she was like, oh, my gosh.

[2134] What did I just say that?

[2135] What did I just do?

[2136] I'm canceled.

[2137] Yeah.

[2138] She was like, do a lot of people say that to you?

[2139] I was like, yeah, sure, a lot of white people.

[2140] Yeah, that's great.

[2141] I was like, but I get it.

[2142] I'm tall.

[2143] I got long hair, and I'm standing here smoking a fat -ass joint.

[2144] Yeah, you're checking a lot of the boxes.

[2145] To a white person, that's Snoop Dog for show.

[2146] I get it.

[2147] It's no harm done.

[2148] But no, I'm not him.

[2149] I get Zach Braff.

[2150] Okay.

[2151] Do you know who that is from scrubs?

[2152] Oh, okay.

[2153] Yeah, yeah.

[2154] You see it, right?

[2155] Wow But that's not you though It's not me That's crazy Because that's not you Right But it feels like it right A little bit All right All right Well this has been a party And I'm given to give you My number whether Oh This sounds racist now But here we go Do you play spades?

[2156] Do I play spades?

[2157] I don't play spades That could have been The foundation We play five days a week We love space Yeah we should teach you That's like the least Black I am Spades and watermelon I don't eat watermelon.

[2158] I don't fuck a watermelon.

[2159] That's supposed to be like the universal black thing.

[2160] Yeah, it's not for you.

[2161] I don't do watermelon.

[2162] And Spades, I never learn how to play.

[2163] You can stay off of that, but get with Spades.

[2164] Spades is...

[2165] Look at you telling me how to be black.

[2166] Yes, listen.

[2167] Well, if you want to eat watermelon, you got to learn how to play spades, bro.

[2168] You know, Meta World Peace?

[2169] Yeah.

[2170] Okay, so he's super into Spades.

[2171] I've had him over to play Spades.

[2172] And he plays in Wade's Spades Tournament, which is Wayne Wade's Tournament.

[2173] Besides being best friends with Jay -Z, which is top of the list, playing in Wade's Spades is really up there.

[2174] Wade Spades.

[2175] He has a whole thing.

[2176] It's really cool.

[2177] I like to bow.

[2178] Oh, you do?

[2179] Yeah.

[2180] All right.

[2181] I'm terrible at it, but I'll do it with you.

[2182] All right.

[2183] Okay.

[2184] We're tall, so we look good when we can bowl.

[2185] Elegant.

[2186] That good, tall, elegant posture.

[2187] Yeah, the long arm just cascading out.

[2188] I think you should definitely come over and we'll teach you spades.

[2189] Yeah.

[2190] Do you have a girlfriend?

[2191] Yeah.

[2192] How long have you been?

[2193] together?

[2194] Four years.

[2195] Oh, perfect.

[2196] She's invited.

[2197] So, Spade's Night.

[2198] We'll have to teach you, I guess, which would be ironic.

[2199] But then we got to be on teams, because I'll feel bad if I'll whip y 'all ass.

[2200] Okay, fair.

[2201] I doubt you will feel bad, but no, because I will, because I'm going to be wanting to talk shit, and I ain't going to be able to talk shit the way I want to, but if we're on the same squad, then I can talk shit.

[2202] Boys versus girls.

[2203] This is a very common BVG.

[2204] We'll figure it out.

[2205] But I got to learn first, and then we'll beat somebody's ass and talk shit.

[2206] I can't wait Detroit and Pittsburgh Finally Whiz, so much fun Good luck on everything Can't wait for your album to come out so that you'll go on tour so that we can see you Next year Next year Yep But we'll link up before that All right perfect Thanks Be well Yes sir Stay tuned for the facts So you can hear All the facts That we're wrong Well well Another day Another day in paradise Okay Okay.

[2207] All right.

[2208] This is BTS.

[2209] Behind the scenes.

[2210] We recorded this yesterday.

[2211] We sure did.

[2212] We normally don't do a turnaround like this.

[2213] And it was a very late one for us.

[2214] It was.

[2215] It started at three.

[2216] And, yeah, it was late for us.

[2217] It was pitch black, dark by the time we left because of climate change.

[2218] Have dinner with our guests afterwards.

[2219] Like, it was evening.

[2220] Yeah, I don't like leaving here in the dark.

[2221] No, it's not for you.

[2222] So I only have edited half the show.

[2223] Okay.

[2224] So I don't have all the facts, but I think I have...

[2225] Enough facts.

[2226] The most of the facts.

[2227] You think there were not many facts in the second half?

[2228] Yeah.

[2229] Okay.

[2230] So we had whiz yesterday.

[2231] Yeah, yeah.

[2232] So we had whiz, and you guys are the same age.

[2233] Well, 15 days apart.

[2234] Yeah.

[2235] I know.

[2236] Starting to get more common.

[2237] Well, not with common.

[2238] Not with common.

[2239] He's still older than you.

[2240] I know.

[2241] I know it is.

[2242] Does it bother you?

[2243] I hated, for whatever reason, my issue was athlete.

[2244] Do you have this, Rob?

[2245] Yeah, when there's like 18 -year -old hockey players that are leading the league.

[2246] Yeah, you just, like, you grow up looking at sports stars, basketball players, hockey players, whatever.

[2247] And then you get to an age where you're like, oh, I'm the same age as all these people.

[2248] That's weird.

[2249] And then you're dramatically older.

[2250] That's rough.

[2251] And then you still have the coaches.

[2252] The coaches are older than you.

[2253] But I am now at the age where at least half the coaches in the NFL are younger than me. It's just interesting the different road markers we use to evaluate our own age.

[2254] Yeah.

[2255] And I would imagine you, it couldn't go without you recognizing that over these last six years, it went from virtually 100 % of the guests were older than you to now like five, six percent or younger than you.

[2256] I guess actors is one thing.

[2257] Like, we're going to have young actors on.

[2258] We have.

[2259] I guess it's the experts.

[2260] When the experts are younger, it feels a little interesting.

[2261] That's more rare, though.

[2262] Yeah, we've had only, I think, a handful of that.

[2263] Yeah, but that feels a little scary.

[2264] Yeah, but to me, I just am like, oh, they're.

[2265] It's also weird.

[2266] I'm used to experts and professors being older than me. So it sounds like wisdom coming from them.

[2267] But increasingly, we're interviewing experts in a field.

[2268] And they're younger than me. Right.

[2269] So that's its own weird.

[2270] I'm listening to someone that's been around less time than me. Yeah.

[2271] Explain something to me that I don't understand.

[2272] It's just a curious thing.

[2273] For some reason, that's a lot more palatable coming from someone older than you.

[2274] That's interesting.

[2275] Even spiritually when we had Rami Youssef on.

[2276] And I'm like, oh, this dude's kind of a couple steps ahead of me, like, spiritually and wisdom -wise.

[2277] That's funny.

[2278] Yeah.

[2279] I don't have that.

[2280] You don't think of things in this way.

[2281] I don't.

[2282] I don't.

[2283] Everyone's just different.

[2284] Like, Rami is specific.

[2285] That's his view on the world.

[2286] I don't think that has anything to do with his age.

[2287] Like, there are plenty of people who are much older than you or I who don't have that kind of wisdom or thought.

[2288] It's just different people.

[2289] Different strokes for different folks.

[2290] Yeah, maybe it's just evidence of my own arrogance in that, I think, like, I was going as quickly as you could assemble this, especially with the AA and the therapy and all the stuff.

[2291] I'm thinking, like, how could someone, like, I've been working hard at it for 20 years, and to meet a kid that's 30, that's like deeper into it all.

[2292] It's really wild.

[2293] It might be because of your history of not feeling smart.

[2294] Sure.

[2295] Because I don't care if someone's smarter than me. And there are so many people who are smarter than me. It doesn't make me not smart.

[2296] Right.

[2297] It's not an original wound.

[2298] It's not.

[2299] Yeah.

[2300] I have so many OWs, but that is not one.

[2301] Odubs.

[2302] Which is kind of funny.

[2303] I wonder why I don't have that because I would get in so many fights with my dad about school when I was young.

[2304] But I never processed it as.

[2305] stupidity.

[2306] It's great.

[2307] You got away with one.

[2308] Well, he was mainly like, you just make tons of careless mistakes.

[2309] So he was always sort of saying, you're so smart.

[2310] But you're not conscientious enough.

[2311] Yeah.

[2312] Do you have, is that a trigger if people don't think you're being conscientious?

[2313] Like the woman saying you didn't wipe the baby's butt.

[2314] That is not.

[2315] Stop.

[2316] That is not true.

[2317] Great.

[2318] But it can be not true and it wouldn't bother you.

[2319] Of course, it would bother you.

[2320] me that I like fucked up being accused of something you didn't do no no yes that I hate that's a big trigger but also know that I would have fucked up something for Delta caring for her right that is not acceptable that's like you with the baby carriage turning over and she's wrong surely but because I'm beyond reproach in the situation I'm not being evaluated I'm not there working in any capacity.

[2321] So I know I love Delta as much as a human can love Delta.

[2322] So if I, in cleaning her ass one time, miss some poop and someone else discovered it, I would go, like, I'd go, wow, I guess I missed it, but it's through no lack of conscientiousness.

[2323] Like, I love her so much.

[2324] I just made a human mistake.

[2325] Yeah, but maybe this is a trigger only here with you.

[2326] Okay.

[2327] I am extremely meticulous about my work.

[2328] Yeah.

[2329] That was my work at the time.

[2330] Right.

[2331] So there's absolutely, I just, I know there's absolutely no way I wasn't over cleaning her butt every time and using like so many wipes and making sure it was perfect.

[2332] But she had a lot of folds.

[2333] No, I got in there.

[2334] Okay.

[2335] So for you, there's no possibility, not even one percent, that you.

[2336] You missed a little tiny piece of pootie.

[2337] Correct.

[2338] Okay.

[2339] Well, then, yeah.

[2340] I'm open to the notion that.

[2341] I was doing that.

[2342] Like, she said it was something I did multiple times.

[2343] No, it was just she had noticed that there was some poody on the bag.

[2344] She wanted me to tell whoever's cleaning delta is bought to do a more thorough job.

[2345] Right.

[2346] So that must have been a. It was probably originally just trying to shame me. But I was like, oh, well, I didn't even.

[2347] I just wish we could call her.

[2348] Yeah.

[2349] Because I just know, and I know myself in that situation specifically with you guys, and it was early, early days.

[2350] You know there's no way.

[2351] I know.

[2352] There's no way.

[2353] I really do.

[2354] It's a fun thing to revisit occasionally.

[2355] I hate it.

[2356] Because it means so much to you and it doesn't mean anything to me. So it's just one of those funny things, you know.

[2357] She was so small.

[2358] I know, but so much holds.

[2359] I know.

[2360] Reminds me, but it does remind me my favorite Delta story, which is.

[2361] yeah she had diarrhea yeah that came up recently did it yeah what should I retell it no because you just told it oh I did so do it again I could tell that story once a day I know I'm daddy I foughted okay the way she said I fought it I foughted I foughted his diary is so happy it was everywhere good.

[2362] Anyway.

[2363] I'm asking, I can imagine you feeling many different ways about it, but are you going to be talking about dating or no, because it puts the other person in an awkward situation?

[2364] I don't think so.

[2365] Yeah.

[2366] I think that's fair.

[2367] I think I'd feel weird if when I went on a date with someone, I knew that they were going to report it to the world.

[2368] Yeah.

[2369] I don't know that it's fair to.

[2370] Which is tricky because it's going to be a big part of your life and stuff we need to talk about.

[2371] Look, things will come up and I will say without giving detail, I think.

[2372] We've talked about it a little bit on sync.

[2373] this upcoming week, I think, I give an update.

[2374] And then I'm just going to see.

[2375] I'll report if I want to report.

[2376] When you're married.

[2377] Yeah, I'll report when I'm married.

[2378] Just update.

[2379] I got married on Wednesday.

[2380] You guys should know I've been dating someone for two years, and I was married.

[2381] Now I'm comfortable telling me. Well, that's kind of a habit with Allison Roman.

[2382] Yeah, she kept it on the...

[2383] All of a sudden, she's married.

[2384] QT.

[2385] Oh, I know.

[2386] She's married.

[2387] I love to be her.

[2388] Oh, congratulations.

[2389] You'd love to be her.

[2390] Is that what you just said?

[2391] Yeah.

[2392] I love her life I love my life too But You really wouldn't want Anyone else's life I would pass that No no When you're a kid You do this right Like when I was a kid There was a bunch of people's life I wanted Sure I don't want anyone else's life now That was a joke Oh God I don't want Your life Can you identify where that's from Wait that's from yes I don't want your life Yeah that's for us come No Vars blue Oh, wow.

[2393] Tommy Lee Jones?

[2394] No. James Vanderby?

[2395] The beak.

[2396] I don't want your life.

[2397] He said that?

[2398] Yeah, it's a very interesting delivery.

[2399] It's kind of famous.

[2400] I thought for sure you'd get that.

[2401] I thought it was Tom.

[2402] I thought it was Tom Hanks, Forrest Gump.

[2403] No. He talks like this.

[2404] Sorry for rooting your Black Panther party.

[2405] Oh, my God.

[2406] Monica.

[2407] Stop.

[2408] Stop.

[2409] Monica.

[2410] Ew.

[2411] Ew.

[2412] Stop saying it.

[2413] Well, you open the door.

[2414] Does he say that?

[2415] No, now I'm just in a right.

[2416] Now I'm trying to improv with you.

[2417] Yeah, I'm going broke.

[2418] What people don't know is you are now shielding your face with your hands while you do accents and impressions.

[2419] Yes, you can't see my face.

[2420] To minimize how vomitous it is for you.

[2421] I almost just brought us into a bad game.

[2422] I was going to say, okay, why don't we play that game heads up?

[2423] it's accents and impressions.

[2424] Oh, I love that.

[2425] I know, but you'll probably get in trouble.

[2426] I will?

[2427] I probably.

[2428] Why?

[2429] Because like if there...

[2430] You think I'll do a Chinese accent or something?

[2431] If that's on, you want to try it?

[2432] I'll do another...

[2433] Say skip it if it's going to get you in trouble.

[2434] Okay, ready?

[2435] Right.

[2436] This is fun.

[2437] We love games.

[2438] Okay, ready?

[2439] Get ready.

[2440] Here we go.

[2441] Two, one.

[2442] Like, gag me with a spin.

[2443] Um, Valley.

[2444] Yes.

[2445] Okay.

[2446] Oh, we, we, we, we.

[2447] Uh, how do you say?

[2448] Oh, Spanish.

[2449] I think I got scared.

[2450] San Clemenza down.

[2451] Oh, Godfather, mob.

[2452] Mafia, guardfather.

[2453] Al Pacino.

[2454] Uh -oh.

[2455] Sonny, come here.

[2456] Oh, San Clemenza down.

[2457] So Johnny wants to direct a movie.

[2458] It's not Godfather.

[2459] It is.

[2460] Martin Scorsese.

[2461] Martin Scorsese.

[2462] My other than Brando.

[2463] Oh, shit.

[2464] Yeah, I didn't get it.

[2465] Oh, oh, always, so.

[2466] Uh, welcome.

[2467] This is a cheat.

[2468] Uh, welcome to Cape Town.

[2469] Boston.

[2470] No, South Africa.

[2471] Oh.

[2472] Oh.

[2473] Screwed.

[2474] Duck.

[2475] Scrooge McDuck.

[2476] Donald Duck.

[2477] Donald D. What has to the ones of a watch?

[2478] Charmed.

[2479] Yeah.

[2480] Time's up.

[2481] Oh, wow.

[2482] Wow.

[2483] I'm sorry about that South African.

[2484] That's okay.

[2485] I'm sorry for the audience, I mean, not for you.

[2486] Oh, that they had to hear my South African accent.

[2487] And then I said Boston.

[2488] Oh, it was really sorry to Bostonians.

[2489] No, to South Africans, I didn't put Cape Town together.

[2490] You were thinking of the Cape.

[2491] I was.

[2492] Yeah.

[2493] That's fair.

[2494] Oh, that was great.

[2495] That was really fun.

[2496] Oh, by the way, I have an update for you.

[2497] New game.

[2498] So as our duties have increased with the many different shows, I have found that reading all the ads has become a little laborious in a lot of work.

[2499] So I have been auditioning people to read some of the spots.

[2500] And I think I have found somebody I want to start reading spots with your approval.

[2501] And his name is Joe Gillette.

[2502] And I had him do some spots.

[2503] And I think he probably could just pick up right where I've left off.

[2504] But, of course, I need your blessing.

[2505] So I had them record some, and then I just wanted to hear if you think they're up to par, okay?

[2506] We have Joe Gillette here, take one McDonald's.

[2507] Joe Gillette, take one, McDonald's.

[2508] Hey, hey, everyone knows that when you're out there, hey, everyone knows when you're out there on, when you need somewhere, so I'm going to think quick and nice and everything, and when you have to have what you want, everyone knows McDonald's is.

[2509] that.

[2510] McChicons, McNuggets, McFlurries, everything.

[2511] When you see those golden arches, you know one thing, you know one things are sure.

[2512] Yeah.

[2513] You know one things are sure.

[2514] McDonald's.

[2515] Pretty good.

[2516] Do you think that's pretty good?

[2517] Yeah.

[2518] You want to hear another couple reads?

[2519] Sure.

[2520] Let's hear more.

[2521] Yeah.

[2522] Okay.

[2523] We have Gorgilette in, this is his first take for square space.

[2524] This is first take for a square space.

[2525] Hey, have you ever know, has anyone ever said to you, I have a question for you, are you online?

[2526] And you say, well, yeah, maybe, hey, have you ever heard of a, hey, have you ever seen a website before?

[2527] Squarespace, where everything that you, if you need something that says, hey, come to this website.

[2528] Everyone is visiting this website at Squarespace, everything you need for your job, for your life, for your, everyone to visit, make sure that when they visit you, it's at Squarespace .com.

[2529] I think that they would be really happy with it.

[2530] I'm gonna play one more for you, okay?

[2531] Got Jojolette here doing a take one of athletic greens.

[2532] I'd like to start my day like pretty much everyone else, eating an entire bowl of macaroni and cheese and drinking three coax.

[2533] My doctor said, that's not gonna be okay for me anymore.

[2534] Have you ever heard of taking any vitamins?

[2535] Yeah, I said yes, if they're, I said, yeah, they're gummies.

[2536] He said, no, would you ever want to have every single vegetable in two gulps?

[2537] Athletic Greens?

[2538] It's a good spot.

[2539] I think that's a great spot.

[2540] So sure.

[2541] Let's have him read the ads.

[2542] So Joe is Jackie's boyfriend.

[2543] Yeah, yeah, he's a comedian.

[2544] He's a comedian.

[2545] And somehow, this all started with him reading a Mercedes -Benz spot.

[2546] Like I think.

[2547] on Instagram or something?

[2548] No, I think Jackie was reading one and she read it for Kristen and then he read it as a joke of him auditioning for it and then it became this kind of skill that we discovered he has of doing really bad reads.

[2549] Okay.

[2550] So occasionally I'll get a really fun read from Joe.

[2551] That's fun.

[2552] Yeah.

[2553] So, okay, couple facts.

[2554] Yes, yes.

[2555] Couple facts.

[2556] By the way, I did finish the first set of couples therapy from season three last night.

[2557] You did.

[2558] and started to meet new people.

[2559] And I just delighted that they are allowed within their arsenal of tools to recommend they split up.

[2560] Yeah.

[2561] I was very relieved to see that.

[2562] Because part of me is like, well, I'm not saying who.

[2563] Right.

[2564] Yeah.

[2565] It really could be anybody.

[2566] Yeah.

[2567] Because part of me, I guess whatever skeptical side of me or cynical side of me is like, if they can't advise people that they shouldn't be together, is it really a service?

[2568] Is it truly a service?

[2569] service if they can't make that call now i understand it's very dicey to make that call to tell people they shouldn't be together because who are you to know but some people need to be told that for sure i guess i mean i think she does it in a great way where she's just like laying out some options at the end yes and so she's not saying i don't think you guys should be together she had been in the session with her own advisor saying she wants them to break up yeah and wanting to lay out how they could do that which i was a big relief to me like these people needed to be spared each other.

[2570] Yeah.

[2571] Yeah.

[2572] Yeah.

[2573] So have you met everyone knew like one episode of that?

[2574] Yeah, there's the teaser where she's saying to somebody, I am not the therapist for you.

[2575] I can't wait to see that moment.

[2576] You're not there yet.

[2577] No. Have you gone back and tried to figure out how you're seeing what you're seeing on couples therapy?

[2578] I'm seeing what I'm seeing.

[2579] They're shooting both directions.

[2580] They're shooting the therapist and then they're also shooting the patients and there's raking shots.

[2581] There's a, a tracking shot from behind that goes to our therapist.

[2582] And then they're shooting, obviously, over the therapist's shoulders onto them.

[2583] Yeah.

[2584] Where are all the cameras?

[2585] Right.

[2586] So I think I figured out that those panels that are in all of the bookshelves, there's bookshelves everywhere, and the bottom one's always empty, and there's two balls that sit on all of them.

[2587] And I think, and then I looked up that they have one -way mirror that they're filming behind.

[2588] But then I think digitally they put this fabric over the way.

[2589] one -way mirror.

[2590] Cool.

[2591] So I got really kind of distracted by figuring out how they're actually shooting this because they're not making them redo it.

[2592] No. It's real.

[2593] But they have like seven camera angles.

[2594] And they're 360 around the room.

[2595] So you should see cameras and everyone else's shot, but you don't.

[2596] And so I think they designed the set to have these bookshelves everywhere.

[2597] That's cool.

[2598] Those all have mirrors in them.

[2599] And then I think in post they cover the mirrors with.

[2600] Yeah.

[2601] It's interesting.

[2602] I'm amazed that people do the show, and I'm so happy they do.

[2603] I kind of want to thank everybody that's participated in that show.

[2604] Yeah.

[2605] It's so fucking brave.

[2606] It's so brave, and it's hard to come across well.

[2607] Yes.

[2608] Everyone sort of comes across poorly because it's your...

[2609] It's the real you.

[2610] Yeah, and in crisis.

[2611] Yeah, and the real relationship.

[2612] So, it's great.

[2613] I love it.

[2614] I love it, too.

[2615] It's all I can talk about.

[2616] Me too.

[2617] I was going to...

[2618] I was going to say I wasn't going to talk about my dates.

[2619] Yeah.

[2620] But I have a day coming up and I asked this person if they watched couples therapy.

[2621] Right.

[2622] So you'd have something to talk about it.

[2623] Yeah.

[2624] And did they?

[2625] No. But they'll start.

[2626] They heard it's great.

[2627] Okay.

[2628] Maybe they'll have started before tonight.

[2629] Yeah.

[2630] I kind of wanted to just say that.

[2631] Yeah.

[2632] You were looking for that.

[2633] Okay.

[2634] Wiz's auntie tickles.

[2635] Auntie Tickles.

[2636] I looked up the doll.

[2637] It's hard to know what's going to be.

[2638] Oh, you looked up the doll.

[2639] Yeah.

[2640] Kathy B. Tickles doll by Kathy Berry Hippensteele.

[2641] Oh.

[2642] You can get it up.

[2643] I wonder if I'll recognize Tickles.

[2644] It's a baby.

[2645] It looks scary from here.

[2646] And Tickles is white.

[2647] Tickles is white porcelain.

[2648] Yeah.

[2649] And has a odd face.

[2650] Not to be sacrum, but listen, the fact of that black little girls had to play with white babies.

[2651] I know.

[2652] It just didn't make any.

[2653] It's such a bummer.

[2654] Yeah, it is.

[2655] She's holding some sort of...

[2656] Is she tickling somebody?

[2657] Maybe.

[2658] Maybe she uses that to tickle?

[2659] Is she ticklish or does she tickle everyone?

[2660] I think she tickles.

[2661] Oh my God.

[2662] What a rascal.

[2663] Oh, but she does have a face that she's laughing, so maybe she is getting tickled.

[2664] But what's in her hand?

[2665] It looks like a fluffy fluff.

[2666] That's the feather she uses to.

[2667] and tickle your feet.

[2668] Exactly.

[2669] Baby tickles.

[2670] It might be.

[2671] I love that her name was Auntie Tickles.

[2672] Okay, but that makes me think of one of the first moments it started.

[2673] What started?

[2674] Me admitting that I felt so white around Snoop.

[2675] And I don't generally feel that way, but I also felt that way around Whiz.

[2676] Yeah.

[2677] This is one of the first places it started.

[2678] So he says Auntie Tickles.

[2679] Yeah.

[2680] And now I've got to ask him, but I don't say aunt.

[2681] So now I'm like, do I say it how he said it, which is mimicking it?

[2682] Right.

[2683] I got to say it how I say it.

[2684] But it's those little micro moments where I'm like, see, now this sounds white because I'm going to say anti -tickles.

[2685] Yeah.

[2686] Because guess what?

[2687] Because that's what I say.

[2688] You're white.

[2689] I know.

[2690] I know.

[2691] I know that.

[2692] Well, that's a good.

[2693] That's a fair question.

[2694] Oh, it's great.

[2695] It's so embarrassing in the best way.

[2696] Like when it was all over, I was like, oh, my God, I'm so embarrassing.

[2697] I'm so embarrassed.

[2698] I'm so embarrassed.

[2699] I got so embarrassed.

[2700] But then it's kind of like the popcorn of me falling in the movie theater.

[2701] Like by the time I was going to bed, I was like, yeah, that's what happens.

[2702] It's who you are, it's who I. We can't be people we aren't.

[2703] And also, you can't be because then you look bad.

[2704] Like you look like you're trying to put on some appropriate.

[2705] I don't know.

[2706] It's just all you can do is come to the table as you.

[2707] Yeah.

[2708] Apparently Tickles is.

[2709] a rare find.

[2710] Oh my gosh, another collectible.

[2711] So I might have to buy it.

[2712] Yeah, see if you can get a shit -stained one, so it'll match your...

[2713] Laverte.

[2714] Liberty.

[2715] Liberty.

[2716] Okay.

[2717] Okay, we talked about the box.

[2718] I just figured out that's Liberty.

[2719] Laberti.

[2720] Yeah, just now.

[2721] Yeah, yeah.

[2722] Yeah.

[2723] Just figured that out.

[2724] Yes, that's the whole funny thing.

[2725] Uh -huh, Laberti.

[2726] Yeah.

[2727] But I was thinking, like, French T -shirt.

[2728] Leberti.

[2729] Right.

[2730] That could also be a thing, but obviously it's Liberty.

[2731] Because he's a small bear.

[2732] Doesn't wear French t -shirts.

[2733] Okay, we talked about the box, which was really exciting.

[2734] Yeah, you guys had that in common.

[2735] I loved the box.

[2736] I was outside in the cold watching you guys by the warm fire giggle and sip your hot cocoa.

[2737] Neither of you are white.

[2738] That really upset you.

[2739] Bonding in a way, I'll never be able to bond.

[2740] Yeah, right.

[2741] All of my white friends watch the box.

[2742] Okay, now it made me wonder what are the top music videos of all time.

[2743] Oh, okay.

[2744] I have a list.

[2745] Oh, great.

[2746] Okay.

[2747] It's from the A .V. Club.

[2748] There's like 50.

[2749] Oh, okay.

[2750] Let me just read the top 10 maybe?

[2751] Yeah.

[2752] Number one.

[2753] You want to guess?

[2754] Yeah.

[2755] It'll be hard.

[2756] This is hard.

[2757] I feel like it's thriller or beat it.

[2758] Mm -mm.

[2759] Wow.

[2760] You're going to.

[2761] Yep, I'm going to.

[2762] You're going to disagree.

[2763] Yeah, shocker.

[2764] What's number one?

[2765] Peter Gabriel Sledgehammer, 1986.

[2766] Can I just ask without ruffling any feathers?

[2767] Did they say what the metrics they're using are?

[2768] How are they determining this?

[2769] I don't know.

[2770] It's just what they think is the most important?

[2771] The AV club is a big, no, it's a big entertainment magazine.

[2772] They're tech nerds.

[2773] Sure, but wouldn't it be reassuring to go like the most viewed video of all time and they had some data?

[2774] Let me just read something.

[2775] Okay, great.

[2776] Like the song itself, the video for Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer makes no attempt to disguise its sexual metaphor.

[2777] The clip opens with an extreme close -up of sperm.

[2778] Although that is the last time Sledgehammer gets explicitly biological, the video rifts upon Gabriel's lyrical imagery of trains and bus cars all through a series of stop motion animation.

[2779] No single team of animators are responsible with the finished product.

[2780] Okay All right, wait And that's your own You look down And you're right You're natural Oh, you got to say You're immune to the stuff Oh yeah Closer to the moon Addicted to love You think that's on the list?

[2781] Okay Go on ahead and face it You're addicted to love Do you want me to make the sperm noise again?

[2782] No Say sperm.

[2783] No. No. We heard.

[2784] That's even worse.

[2785] Number two, Madonna Vogue.

[2786] Oh.

[2787] God.

[2788] What is wrong with you?

[2789] Number three is Michael Jackson Thriller.

[2790] Oh.

[2791] I just reached out to a teacher.

[2792] Okay.

[2793] I saw on an internet, on an internet.

[2794] Uh -huh.

[2795] Nine -month pregnant teacher leading the thriller dance in the hallway with, like, 30 students, and she rips it.

[2796] She's so fucking good.

[2797] Really?

[2798] Yes, I went to her page and had to tell her how much I enjoyed it.

[2799] I watched like six times.

[2800] I was welled up a bit.

[2801] Do cry.

[2802] Yep.

[2803] You got it.

[2804] Bingo.

[2805] Well, for a lot of reasons.

[2806] Pregnant, about to bring life into the world, being so comfortable in her own skin.

[2807] Yeah, a model of, like, how to live out loud in front of these kids.

[2808] And she's just slaying it.

[2809] Four is Beastie Boy's sabotage.

[2810] Oh, sure.

[2811] Directed by the Great Spike Jones.

[2812] Spikey Jones.

[2813] Five, take on me. Take on me. Take it on.

[2814] I know that one.

[2815] Okay, number six, Duran Duran, hungry like the wolf.

[2816] Hungry like the wolf.

[2817] Oh, you're going to like this one.

[2818] Okay.

[2819] Seven is Sheneid O 'Connor.

[2820] Nothing compares to you.

[2821] Sure.

[2822] Yeah, that's classic.

[2823] I know that one.

[2824] Oh, God.

[2825] I can't believe this one isn't higher up.

[2826] A?

[2827] See, because part of this is like age, right?

[2828] Age appropriated.

[2829] and adjusting for inflation and all of that.

[2830] And when there was MTV versus the box versus when you had access to these videos.

[2831] Yeah.

[2832] What was the name of the second format for watching videos?

[2833] The box.

[2834] Oh.

[2835] Okay.

[2836] Eight is single ladies.

[2837] Oh, the single ladies.

[2838] Oh, the single.

[2839] In my gen, that's number one.

[2840] That's number one.

[2841] Mm -hmm.

[2842] Okay.

[2843] Nine, addicted to love.

[2844] Miles will face And then 10 common people by pulp No Never even heard of Just because you haven't heard of it You know what I'm surprised Oh 11 is baby Baby one more time That's huge That was huge for my Jen What was 10?

[2845] You want to hear pulp Okay It's right here Oh you want to play a number Bye No, I stand by my objection.

[2846] I think that was something, that errant.

[2847] One got in there on accident.

[2848] Just because you don't know the song doesn't mean the video wasn't big for its time.

[2849] It's just hard to imagine how that would have escaped.

[2850] It doesn't matter.

[2851] It was from 95.

[2852] Oh, that's when I moved here.

[2853] Maybe that's why I missed it.

[2854] You were busy.

[2855] I was busy moving and reestablishing myself in Santa Barbara.

[2856] California and very confused about it.

[2857] It wasn't big in the Santa Barbara scene.

[2858] No, probably not.

[2859] That's much more gin and juice and doggy style.

[2860] Anyway, okay, that's top ten.

[2861] But there's a, I'm scrolling through and these are good.

[2862] These are good.

[2863] It's a really good.

[2864] Okay, back to my self -consciousness about my whiteness.

[2865] I even told him a few stories that I've told 2 ,000 times.

[2866] And in the middle of them, I was like, I've lost all confidence in this story.

[2867] Oh, like, well -worn stories.

[2868] I was, like, reading his face.

[2869] He also had sunglasses on the whole time, so that made it, that was double hard for me to read him.

[2870] Yeah, it was really hard.

[2871] Yeah, it was an extra challenge.

[2872] Yeah.

[2873] And I was like, oh, my God, you're not going to be able to pull this story off.

[2874] He didn't want to hear you.

[2875] Go ahead.

[2876] Don't even choose your words gently.

[2877] No, he didn't.

[2878] He didn't want to hear you trying to prove yourself.

[2879] Uh -huh.

[2880] And so when stories were starting to happen, like that, I could feel that.

[2881] Right.

[2882] He doesn't want this.

[2883] You know, it's interesting because I was the butt of all the jokes in the stories.

[2884] It was not about that.

[2885] Yeah, he just didn't want to hear any of my stories.

[2886] He didn't want you to tell stories about Jay C. That's like, not what he wanted to hear.

[2887] Yeah, yeah.

[2888] That was one in particular.

[2889] It was a big lead to live.

[2890] I know.

[2891] I really felt it.

[2892] I know.

[2893] I tried to tell you with my eyes, don't do this.

[2894] Don't do any more of this.

[2895] Yeah.

[2896] It was kind of the same reaction Jay Z had for me, too.

[2897] I just couldn't find purchase.

[2898] I was like, I got to figure out somehow I got to get in.

[2899] Okay, doc on the mixtape documentary.

[2900] Oh, yes.

[2901] It's just called mixtape.

[2902] Oh, okay.

[2903] And you can watch it on Paramount Plus.

[2904] 2022 came out last year.

[2905] Oh, it's new.

[2906] Yeah.

[2907] Oh, gosh.

[2908] I want to watch it.

[2909] It has two chains.

[2910] What's that mean?

[2911] Two chains is a rapper.

[2912] Oh, I thought you were saying, like, somehow this score was out of five chains, and it only has two out of five chains.

[2913] I'm like, what website is using chains instead of stars?

[2914] This is why, this is why this, we don't know stuff.

[2915] Yes, and I was very honest about that.

[2916] I came right at it.

[2917] Like, what's the difference between a mixtape and an album?

[2918] You know, he was mad at us for.

[2919] Yeah, not knowing at the end.

[2920] Yeah, for not understanding.

[2921] I still didn't understand.

[2922] I think when he yelled at me. I got it in a way that I hadn't previously.

[2923] So maybe I did learn.

[2924] But I did not understand how what made sense to me is I went to the one mixtape and you couldn't listen to it.

[2925] And then I go to this, which was an album, and I could listen to it.

[2926] So I'm like, oh, I see the difference.

[2927] I know.

[2928] It is confusing.

[2929] Yes.

[2930] And it sounds identical to an album.

[2931] It's like fully produced and sounds great.

[2932] Yes.

[2933] I'm still a little bit confused.

[2934] Okay, good.

[2935] Can I play one song on here?

[2936] Because it was the one I told them that I love.

[2937] Yeah.

[2938] Yeah, do you just want to hear it's a good vibe?

[2939] Like, this isn't sound like a mixed, right?

[2940] The fucking symphony orchestra.

[2941] That's nice.

[2942] Two joints, they overlap in each other.

[2943] Heard a Taylor gang found out there's plenty of us.

[2944] Close session holding the smoke.

[2945] I'm with my brothers.

[2946] I like this.

[2947] I mean, how could I have not thought I was listening to an album?

[2948] I agree.

[2949] It sounds like an album.

[2950] I thought he was so sexy.

[2951] Did you think he was sexy?

[2952] He is a quality.

[2953] Very sexy.

[2954] Yeah.

[2955] That's the confidence, the...

[2956] Mysteriousness.

[2957] The comfort level, yes, the mysteriousness.

[2958] The total unwillingness to get anyone's approval.

[2959] He didn't care.

[2960] Yeah.

[2961] It was cool.

[2962] Yeah.

[2963] Yeah.

[2964] In the cool clothes.

[2965] Great Balenciaga boots.

[2966] Those were Balenciagos.

[2967] Balenciagos with myagiagiagi's.

[2968] That's Elizzo.

[2969] Sing the lyric?

[2970] No. With my Ozzyagi's, with my Gillesieggis.

[2971] She does a fun wordplay with blends.

[2972] She says like Blesi -S -E's or something like that.

[2973] Yeah, she's got a cute thing she says about it.

[2974] She does.

[2975] But yeah, they were really cool, his boots.

[2976] Yes.

[2977] One other thing I was thinking about as I fell asleep is I really wish he didn't have those boots on, though, because I really want to know if we're the same height.

[2978] What his feet looked like?

[2979] No, what his actual height was.

[2980] Because they were monstrous boots.

[2981] They are, but I don't think the soul, like they're just big boots.

[2982] The soul looked like it was like three inches thick.

[2983] I don't think so.

[2984] You don't.

[2985] You are not on my side.

[2986] No, I am.

[2987] I'm just being truthful.

[2988] Yeah, I know.

[2989] I really think they were like three inches of rubber.

[2990] Hey.

[2991] Hey.

[2992] I'm always on your side.

[2993] You had a lot of soul.

[2994] We need to give the rest.

[2995] a name that, like, declares him as the pun.

[2996] But we got to come up with a name.

[2997] Like the pun something.

[2998] The pun, the pundit.

[2999] Oh, pundit.

[3000] Our in -house pundit.

[3001] A punny name?

[3002] Yeah, puny.

[3003] Pony, that's old.

[3004] That's weak.

[3005] No, I know.

[3006] I'm saying the name needs to be pun.

[3007] I think a resident pundit.

[3008] Pundit's good.

[3009] Yeah, punting.

[3010] That's a nice noise out there.

[3011] Well, I think on that note, with the horrible noise.

[3012] We shall say.

[3013] One other interesting thing, I think, behind the scenes, which is interesting, is when we walked outside, it was a love fest and we exchanged numbers and we've texted.

[3014] You've texted?

[3015] Yes.

[3016] Isn't that interesting?

[3017] Yeah.

[3018] It is interesting.

[3019] It is.

[3020] It is.

[3021] Yeah.

[3022] What do you have a?

[3023] Yeah.

[3024] You're a rascally...

[3025] But not a pundit.

[3026] Not a pundit.

[3027] What is your take on me?

[3028] I think it's really sweet.

[3029] You are choosing your word so carefully.

[3030] No, I'm just thinking...

[3031] Well, yeah, because you're already feeling a little...

[3032] You're already feeling a little...

[3033] Exposed?

[3034] Tender?

[3035] You're feeling tender.

[3036] And you're feeling like I am coming for you and I'm not.

[3037] And that's like...

[3038] Then it's scary for me when I think you're...

[3039] No, no, no, no, no. You're teasing me lighthearted, and I'm making fun of myself.

[3040] So we're on the same page.

[3041] Because I am always, I really am always on your team.

[3042] I think it's really sweet and cute.

[3043] You often get people's numbers and who come in.

[3044] Not always, not always.

[3045] Definitely not always.

[3046] Like one in a hundred people I get their phone number.

[3047] And I didn't even get his.

[3048] He gave me his and asked me to call his phone, which I did.

[3049] And then he sent me a text.

[3050] I know.

[3051] Okay.

[3052] I'm saying, but it was set up.

[3053] We'll hang out.

[3054] right like the spades it's like set up in our thing right right right and i think you know i've i've been thinking a lot about well taylor uh -huh always yeah yeah well if you're thinking we know you're thinking about taylor and there is there is a connection here okay at her argentina show which is her first show back after this little break okay she changed a lyric to her song that included him.

[3055] And it's everywhere.

[3056] It is, it is.

[3057] People are, are they positive or negative about it?

[3058] Well, I think both.

[3059] I think both.

[3060] You see her kiss him, like she runs to him and he's outside the tent and everyone sees him and that's freaking out.

[3061] Oh, my God, wow.

[3062] But I was thinking, why is she choosing to include the whole world in?

[3063] Such a new relationship?

[3064] Such a new relationship.

[3065] She's making the choice to bring everyone.

[3066] in, which I think is a hard thing to do in a new relationship is to invite the whole world to come along with you.

[3067] I don't think it's a PR stunt, and I think they're probably very happy.

[3068] I really hope they are.

[3069] I think they are.

[3070] But there is a small part of me that watches all of this and feels like, oh, my God, she is still the girl who thinks.

[3071] she's on the bleachers.

[3072] And she got the football star.

[3073] And that feeling has not gone away for her.

[3074] And she's the, she's a god.

[3075] Right.

[3076] And she's still.

[3077] It just proves that becoming objectively a god that won't even make you feel that way.

[3078] If you don't feel that way about yourself.

[3079] You still feel like you felt when you were 11.

[3080] Yes.

[3081] And you always will.

[3082] And here's the good news.

[3083] You always will.

[3084] It's actually profound to see it in this.

[3085] This extreme of a case, yeah, that she feels like she got the guy.

[3086] And it is very, to me, upsetting because he got the girl.

[3087] That's the narrative.

[3088] That is what it should be.

[3089] That's the reality and the truth.

[3090] This football player got the biggest entity in the world.

[3091] I'm also glad I guess she can't see that.

[3092] That's probably not good either.

[3093] I want her to know she's so special.

[3094] I just, she can't see herself the way the world is seeing her.

[3095] Right.

[3096] And that bums me out.

[3097] We're all stuck.

[3098] Right.

[3099] But what I would say about you, which is true, is like, you too wanted the football star.

[3100] The boys you liked in high school were the football stars.

[3101] I know you.

[3102] And I knew the football stars.

[3103] That would not be a good relationship for you.

[3104] That's not actually who you like.

[3105] Well, now.

[3106] I don't know about then.

[3107] Well, then you did like that person.

[3108] But I think you liked the idea of that person.

[3109] Sure.

[3110] But it's also not so...

[3111] Black and wine?

[3112] Yeah, it's not so black and white.

[3113] I mean, you're right.

[3114] Like, I needed the validation so bad.

[3115] Yes, and what interests you in life isn't the things that give people status in high school.

[3116] I'm only pointing out the paradox of what you liked and actually who you would have liked liked in a relationship.

[3117] And those two things are not the same, in my opinion.

[3118] That's true, except no, because like Teddy was not that.

[3119] Okay.

[3120] He was, he was like, he was a Charlie Day type.

[3121] Oh, I like that.

[3122] I know.

[3123] And then he rejected me. Yeah.

[3124] Here we are.

[3125] So, anyway, okay, the reason I brought that up is because it's, because it's, I'm just really thinking about how we're still just older versions of our little selves.

[3126] A thousand percent.

[3127] And I do think you like getting approval from some people that you want it.

[3128] Yeah, you are a little brother.

[3129] I'm a little brother.

[3130] And it's really so sweet and so cute and hilarious to me. It's embarrassing.

[3131] It's not embarrassing.

[3132] No, sometimes it's embarrassing.

[3133] That's okay if it is sometimes.

[3134] I'm just saying I think it's hilarious being on this side and seeing how so not a little brother you are in your life.

[3135] But you are in your brain.

[3136] Well, let's be specific about it because it happens, it's very predictable when it's going to happen.

[3137] The person has to have big brother something.

[3138] Energy.

[3139] Yes.

[3140] It's like, I don't have it with everybody.

[3141] But if, like, Kimmel triggers it, he's the same age as my brother.

[3142] And there's a similar thing.

[3143] And then black dudes have always done it because I grew up in Detroit.

[3144] And I'm looking at these guys that I think personally are so much cooler than us white dudes.

[3145] I know.

[3146] The same way I looked at my brother going like, this person's so much cool.

[3147] cooler than me, I elevate immediately to like, I just can't achieve that level of cool.

[3148] People who you think are cool.

[3149] Then I go into Little Brother mode.

[3150] You do.

[3151] Yes.

[3152] It's just very cute.

[3153] It's just so funny that we can't, we can't see ourselves.

[3154] Yeah.

[3155] But we can.

[3156] You know that about yourself and I know things about myself, but you don't know when you're in it.

[3157] And also maybe we shouldn't.

[3158] Yeah.

[3159] I mean, depends on what it is, I guess.

[3160] Like there's all these roles you can play in life.

[3161] one of them's little brother.

[3162] I'm like, okay, that's my role.

[3163] If it weren't that role, it'd be some other role.

[3164] I don't know that I would pick one of the other ones, you know.

[3165] So it's like, whatever we are.

[3166] No one's, I'm definitely not insinuating that you shouldn't do that.

[3167] I just think it's a funny pattern.

[3168] It is, yes, yes.

[3169] And we're all just doing the same thing.

[3170] All right, so that was really fun.

[3171] That was really fun.

[3172] We both left going like, we have the luckiest weirdest world.

[3173] Yeah, weird a fly.

[3174] You're watching Whiz Smoke a Coobee and tell us about all this stuff.

[3175] I was like, how did we get here?

[3176] How in the world?

[3177] It's really cool.

[3178] Mm -hmm.

[3179] Very lucky.

[3180] Yeah, I had a tremendous amount of giddiness over the whole experience.

[3181] And Thanksgiving's coming up this week.

[3182] So we're grateful.

[3183] Happy Thanksgiving.

[3184] Happy Thanksgiving.

[3185] We have an episode coming out on Thanksgiving.

[3186] Yeah, so we'll do a gratitude list there.

[3187] While you're cooking.

[3188] We'll think of a gratitude list.

[3189] Also, reminder that.

[3190] Yearbook is out.

[3191] The first episode came out on Friday.

[3192] Oh, right, three days ago.

[3193] Three days ago, Friday, first two episodes, really, the one with me, you and him, and then the first real episode, and then new episodes every Friday.

[3194] Check it out.

[3195] Check it out.

[3196] Check it out.

[3197] All right.

[3198] Love you.

[3199] Love you.