Seth Green

[0] Welcome to the armchair expert.

[1] I'm your host, Dax Shepard.

[2] Today, I'm going to speak with one of my best friends, Seth Green.

[3] You know Seth Green.

[4] You love Seth Green.

[5] It's impossible not to love Seth Green.

[6] He has been endlessly funny.

[7] He is very, very witty.

[8] And if you're in an interview with him, which I've been several different times, you have to really bring your A game.

[9] Because he might be the fastest mind in the West.

[10] He has a very successful show, Robot Chicken.

[11] that he produces and believe rights and directs.

[12] He is a voice on family guy.

[13] He most importantly was in without a paddle where we met and fell in love.

[14] Let us regale you now with some of those stories.

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[18] He's an armchair One of my oldest, dearest friend, Seth Green, has come by to the armchair expert.

[19] It's so exciting.

[20] And probably no other friend do I have in show business has been for a longer ride.

[21] Is that true?

[22] Well, yeah, because you...

[23] Do I predate like Tom?

[24] No, he was unpunct.

[25] Yeah.

[26] Okay, yeah.

[27] So you and Tom are probably like my longest standing show business friends.

[28] But you and I had such a unique experience together, or at least what I would think.

[29] It's certainly the most unique experience in my life.

[30] Me too, man. Like from the get, because I met you at Groundlings.

[31] We got to do, didn't we, we do, what was it like a Tuesday night?

[32] Yeah, cooking with gas show or something.

[33] I think it's Thursday, but I've lost track.

[34] So we got to do that, which is always like just a gang.

[35] Groundlands is an improv theater in Los Angeles that I was a member of.

[36] And then you, and they have guests, guests come in and they joined the improv team.

[37] I got to go a lot because Mindy Sterling, who played Frow in Austin Powers.

[38] is a teacher there.

[39] And so she invited me to call it.

[40] She was my first level teacher.

[41] she's the best man. Groundlings was legendary because when I first started come in L .A., there was a restaurant called Ed the Bevix, which was like a 50s.

[42] Oh, yeah, and they're mean to you.

[43] Well, all of the waiters were deep improv performers.

[44] And so they crafted a particular character that was in the vein of an old 50s soda hop or whatever they're called.

[45] But with the explicit goal of being offensive, right?

[46] At least the one in Chicago that I would go to and the one in Phoenix, I'd go to, they're pretty mean to you in a funny way.

[47] Yeah, this was definitely fun.

[48] It was like my favorite place to hang out.

[49] And when I found out that all of the people that worked there were actors and that they all came from the same school, that was pretty exciting to be too.

[50] So I'm always thrilled to go work out there because that's what it's like we met there and then you fucking punked me, man. Like you guys.

[51] Oh my God.

[52] That literally slipped my mind.

[53] That's hilarious.

[54] Because I was thinking, no, we've known each other since without a pedal.

[55] And then I was like, oh, right, we've been in the ground.

[56] No, you're right.

[57] He punked me. Yes.

[58] The hardest mark we ever had to punk, by the way.

[59] What was it?

[60] What was your punk?

[61] It's so stupid.

[62] So I was hanging out with a bunch of the kids from the 70s show.

[63] I'd known Danny since we're kids even.

[64] And Milo was on Family Guy.

[65] And then Wilmer was in Party Monster.

[66] So after we shot that movie, we spent a bit of time.

[67] I would just go to the Friday tapings.

[68] And then we would go out afterwards.

[69] It was really a party.

[70] Yeah.

[71] It was a time before.

[72] Club promoters were reality stars, and there were cell phones, there were cell phone cameras.

[73] So it was just a different world at that moment.

[74] Yeah.

[75] And we would go out on Friday nights and we would like go.

[76] You love to dance.

[77] Nobody knows that.

[78] I know.

[79] That's what I'm here to tell people.

[80] That's a very good dancer.

[81] That's legit.

[82] But you're a very good dancer, except the compliment.

[83] I just like to feel music.

[84] So one night, Will is like, hey.

[85] hey, I'm doing a charity thing.

[86] I want you to come after the show, okay?

[87] It's like, hey, casino night for charity.

[88] And I was like, ah, you know I don't gamble, but all right.

[89] This is right around the time.

[90] Like, Kuch and I had had so many not great interactions.

[91] You and Ashton.

[92] Right.

[93] And so I was really trying because he's friends with a bunch of my friends.

[94] And I've got no reason to dislike him.

[95] I was like, I bet we could get along well.

[96] That's the set of and then.

[97] That's the backstory.

[98] So it's the tower hotel, is that right?

[99] Right.

[100] Now, I had just been to this location the week before for a table read in that exact room.

[101] Here's how trusting and not suspicious I am.

[102] When we pull up to the front of this hotel, there's a massive media van with an extended tower.

[103] And I said out loud, oh, somebody's filming something.

[104] We shot the Italian job on the roof of that same place.

[105] I've spent time in that building.

[106] Anyway, we go in and Erica's there, Erica Christensen, who's...

[107] Who you were very good friends with.

[108] Yeah, because she and I realized really quickly that we weren't going to date each other and that we both liked a lot of the same stuff.

[109] And we're not great in crowds, but we've, like, made each other a safe place.

[110] You know what I mean?

[111] Yeah.

[112] So she was there and there were only like 10 people there.

[113] And I go, guys, your event is...

[114] This isn't good.

[115] If this is a charity, you're not going to raise a lot of money.

[116] It's very well lit this area that the event's happening because we have to film.

[117] So for exposure reasons, it's inordinately bright in there.

[118] And Seth immediately...

[119] I noticed right away that the entire motif of the room had changed because suddenly there were floor to ceiling panel mirrors all over this room that were not there last week.

[120] And I go, this is weird.

[121] It's like they renovated this whole fucking room.

[122] And then he starts trying to get the mood right.

[123] I said if this is a party, let's just a fucking music.

[124] Dim these lights, guys.

[125] So right away, we can't have music because we're not going to be able to license that music.

[126] And also we're not going to have any audio for the bit.

[127] So he's like trying.

[128] He's so preoccupied with getting the lights down and getting the music going.

[129] I was like, I can fix this guy.

[130] He's sabotaging any luck of us.

[131] Well, also right when I walked in, Danny handed me a drink.

[132] And he said, well, let's at least drink.

[133] So I've got a stiff tequila drink in my hand, and I'm already getting a little sassy with it.

[134] So I'm like, there should be a way for us to control this light.

[135] There's got to be switches somewhere.

[136] I bet you there's 35 minutes of footage of him walking around the room looking for the light switches.

[137] Well, but I'm also following all of these cords that have been dutifully attached to the corners by an electrician in the union.

[138] That are folding into these brand new closet things.

[139] And I'm like, if we can get these closets open, I'll bet we can turn the light.

[140] Yeah, there's cameramen behind the mirrors And he's staring directly into the mirrors Trying to figure out to get the lights low I feel so stupid after the fact The gambling starts right And then you're not even really gambling I don't play craps That's like such a complicated game Yeah Somebody that doesn't like to gamble And then Cooch says Hey man come come play with me And I'm like oh man I don't Gamble I'm trying to like make You know headway with this guy Yeah then he says, oh, I'll stake you.

[141] And I go, I guess that means a thing.

[142] What does that mean?

[143] So then we get to the table.

[144] You can already see the implicit problem here, right?

[145] We're going to try to entrap him into gambling illegally and scare him.

[146] But he neither wants to gamble.

[147] He wants a music loud.

[148] He wants the lights down.

[149] I mean, he is quite literally the worst mark we've had up to that point.

[150] We're like, we don't have a bit.

[151] This guy's not going to gamble.

[152] Well, so he gets me on the table and agrees to stay.

[153] stake me, whatever that means.

[154] And then we roll a couple of things and it goes bad right away.

[155] Like we lose right away.

[156] And his face drops and he goes pale.

[157] And the guy behind the counter says, oh, that's $1 ,500.

[158] And Ashton looks at me like, oh, you're good for it, right?

[159] And I go, oh, I thought you were staking me. And he goes, yeah, just until the end of the game.

[160] In that moment, I crunched a bunch of numbers.

[161] I was like, let me see how expensive keeping a relationship going with this guy.

[162] Yeah, you were trying to put a price tag on the value of that friendship.

[163] I thought through all my monthlies.

[164] And at that point, I was fairly liquid without a lot of obligations.

[165] And I was like, yeah, I can cover it.

[166] So I go, but I am going to stop playing.

[167] So I got off the table.

[168] And, you know, this guy had been there the whole night out.

[169] and I was like, I recognize this guy.

[170] But there were so many people in and out of that scene that you sort of recognized and he was familiar enough.

[171] So I just thought if he's here, he's got to be here on purpose.

[172] And then Al is like, hey man, can I talk to you for a minute outside?

[173] And I was like, outside.

[174] There's 10 people in here.

[175] Why do you want a private conversation on the other side of this door?

[176] Because we have a great shot in the hallway that's well lit.

[177] That we need to get a close up for this.

[178] So he takes me outside.

[179] And, like, the first thing he says is, hey, man, I got to tell you, I really like you in Austin Powers or something like that, which immediately made me uncomfortable.

[180] And I was like, cool, thanks.

[181] And he goes, so I want to help you out.

[182] In 45 minutes, this place is going to get great.

[183] It was that long.

[184] That's what he said to me. He said, in 45 minutes, this place is going to get rated.

[185] He must have been off script at that point.

[186] So I need, he said, I need you to help me. And I go, I'll help you what?

[187] And he's like, whose game is this?

[188] And I said, I thought it was a charity game.

[189] And the truth is, I really could plead ignorant.

[190] I didn't know anything.

[191] Yeah, you didn't understand.

[192] And then he started saying, I know these guys run an illegal game.

[193] I know they've been running a game in their dressing rooms.

[194] And I go, well, sounds like you've got more detail than I do.

[195] And he said, we again, what a terrible mark, right?

[196] Sorry, dude.

[197] And he's like, so you got to help me, you should get out of here.

[198] before you should get out of here before the place gets raided and you believed all that that's that's what i did well i'd had a bit to drink and it also seemed entirely you were in the whole 1500 to kutcher i didn't there was a lot going on that honestly wasn't even the the i know that sounds stupid but that wasn't even the thought i had this moment where i was like okay how do i get everybody out of here yeah how do you warn everybody minutes and so i went back to the tape oh and he even said that he was like okay, so you get out of here and we know whose game it is.

[199] We know which Ashton's game.

[200] And I said, I don't even know what I thought this was a charity for kids or something.

[201] We go back in there.

[202] And I think the thing that immediately happens is I go to culture and I'm like, hey, man, let's wrap this up.

[203] Why don't we get out of here?

[204] What if we like?

[205] Why don't you shut down your charity event?

[206] What if we finish this game and instead like we leave?

[207] Let's go to a fucking thing.

[208] What was really interesting about the show is that you went into each bit thinking, okay, well, we're going to trick this.

[209] person into thinking they're somehow legally liable for something right but at the same time you're like that may not work so you're also trying to get a lot of other things cooking so like the notion that coacher is trying to make you feel like you owe him $500 like you know you're just throwing everything at the wall but now it's getting it's getting really messy like what is this bit about him owing you 1500 or now is it about this well and it also was like the sixth or seventh thing you guys had ever done yeah and so I had no idea the show existed I had no idea of the show existed I had no that Ashton had a side project.

[210] Well, that's what I always, I always lament about the fact that all the actors that came after me, when the bit was over and they yelled, you got punked, that meant something to them.

[211] But the first season, I was in the position of like people were either terrified or mortified or whatever.

[212] And I'd go, don't worry, you just got punked.

[213] And they just stare at me and I go, it's a new show coming out in March on MTV.

[214] People are saying it's good.

[215] I'd have to explain it.

[216] It was.

[217] There was no relief to hear you're on.

[218] Pongs prior to it airing.

[219] Well, so, like, what immediately followed me trying to get everybody out of there was obviously a sped -up timeline where within moments of me saying, hey, let's get out of here.

[220] Somebody somersaulted through a window.

[221] It was the craziest thing I'd seen.

[222] And it happened right in front of us.

[223] And then all the doors opened and there's like half a dozen guys screaming, down on the ground, everybody gets down on a good, get down, everybody gets down.

[224] We're also walking a tight rope of A, we can't, we're not allowed to act like any official agency right so we can't say we're police we can't say we're ATF we can't say we're any so you're hearing some bullshit um you know commission on gambling that's what force we're with and then we also are not allowed to legally you can't ever let anyone feel like um they're kidnapped or detained or can't leave so you're also being very vague about your thing it's like please if if you're up for it sit down gently on the floor and uncomfortable you know like it there's so many tight ropes that we're walking knowing all the restraint that you guys had Because in my mind, again, I'm probably the only one in this room who's ever, not this room, but that room at the time who'd been in handcuffs more than once.

[225] And I was like, all right, I know how this goes.

[226] And that was the other thing in my head I'm crunching.

[227] Well, if nobody says anything in this room, even if we all get interrogated, they're not getting any information out of it.

[228] So this will all be a wash. And at worst, it's a long night is what I'm thinking.

[229] And Dax confessed to me later, he kept his back to me, the entire time.

[230] Yeah.

[231] Because he knew I'd make him, at least from the familiarity standpoint.

[232] In my mind, actually, I was like, there's no way that Seth Green remembers doing a show at the groundlings with me. But maybe he does.

[233] Well, and the second the shit was over, you turned around.

[234] I was like, fucking you, dude.

[235] Yeah, I was very flattered.

[236] Well, so we're all on the ground.

[237] And Cucher and I are like a foot apart eye to eye.

[238] And as I go down on the ground, I look him square in the eye and just shake my head, Ashley Judd Heat style.

[239] You know what I'm saying?

[240] I'm just like, not a fucking word, and we all go home tonight, right?

[241] And in my head, I'm thinking this kid's got such a promising career.

[242] And then we're on the ground and Al walks around.

[243] He's like, this fucking game, I know it's the thing.

[244] And you told, and then he says to me, why don't you stand up and tell everybody what you told me outside?

[245] And I looked him in the face and I was like, why don't you tell everybody what I said outside?

[246] Some colorful background which is relevant is if I had to say the defining characteristic of Seth Green from the second I met him all through the times we've been friends and it's only gotten emboldened by every decision I've ever seen him made.

[247] Integrity, number one.

[248] I've never met a guy with more fucking integrity.

[249] If there was one human being the world that would never rat you out, it is Seth Green.

[250] So the notion that you.

[251] Does that make me criminally compliant?

[252] No, it just, in a way.

[253] weird way without us ever even knowing why this would be the perfect scenario is that all your actions up to that point in life you have a reputation of integrity rightly so and so the no it's just really ironic that of all the things you could have been accused is the opposite of who you are well it made it easy for me to look good in the mix because I could just yes I thought you really shined in that episode I think people were like oh he's a dude I want on a bankrupt job I had some very weird I had some surprising interactions as a result of that show or just people that I would have never thought would give me a second look were like, what's up, dude?

[254] Saw you get punked.

[255] Stayed strong.

[256] Yeah.

[257] But so very shortly after we shot that episode with you, the show aired almost immediately after.

[258] Based on the success of that show, I started taking meetings around town.

[259] I have a meeting at Paramount, blah, blah, blah.

[260] They're making this movie without a paddle.

[261] I had just made Italian job with the producer, Donald DeLine.

[262] and he told me they were developing this three -hander and did I want to do it?

[263] And by the time it got to casting these other guys, I had already done Scooby -Doo too and like known Matt Lilly for a long time and thought the world to him.

[264] And then obviously I had strong opinions about you.

[265] So when we got to read together, well, and specifically what happened is the studio was like, oh yeah, that seems like an interesting option, this kid from this show that's popular.

[266] Maybe that's got some value.

[267] but I had never acted in a movie, ever.

[268] I had never had a screen test.

[269] What a risky long shot.

[270] It must have seemed like at the time, but it's...

[271] Well, it was.

[272] It was a huge gamble for Brill and the line and all of them.

[273] But you got, I would say, you got me that role because once it got to the point where they're about to issue contracts, they go like, oh, fuck, we better find out if he can act.

[274] So it kind of went from, I was, I had had all the right meetings.

[275] I had talked my way into the job.

[276] And then all of a sudden was like, oh, wait, you got to do a screen.

[277] test for Sherry Lansing.

[278] And now I get really fucking scared.

[279] You're going to take this fucking compliment, whether you like it or not.

[280] I was very nervous about having to read this script.

[281] And Steve Brill, the director, was really smart and kind enough to go, oh, you're really good at improv.

[282] If I can make this audition largely improv, I think you have a shot.

[283] But that very much required that sad.

[284] But like long form in character.

[285] Yeah.

[286] Yeah.

[287] And then also moving the same beats of that scene forward.

[288] Which is a skill, man. But that fell onto your lap because you were already cast and you were a part of my screen test, which was nice of you.

[289] But thank God you could improv so well because there's a lot of brilliant actors who don't improv.

[290] That's just not the thing they do.

[291] And if they were in the situation like, okay, we're trying to get this kid this role.

[292] You got to improv with him.

[293] You got to join him.

[294] They might have said fuck that or just would have sucked at it.

[295] So my screen test was largely improvved with Seth Green.

[296] and it worked beautifully, and that's how I really got the job.

[297] Had it not been you in my screen test, I probably wouldn't have got it.

[298] Well, thank you.

[299] That's very sweet of you to say.

[300] But obviously, you got yourself that job by being awesome.

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[323] I definitely got to have a fun audition with you.

[324] And I definitely said to both Brill and DeLine, me and Lillard and Daxe in this movie is comedy in every scene.

[325] Yeah.

[326] It's a guarantee.

[327] Yeah.

[328] Because all three of us are actors in the same way.

[329] So we're going to start everything from an incredibly honest place.

[330] no matter what the character is and then we'll be funny because we all know how comedy works but for me from my point of view I had never been in a movie I was very very nervous and it wasn't like I had two scenes in a movie didn't you do that thing with Will or was that after that well like I was in a scene cheaper by the dozen I was in a student movie but I had by no means been one of three leads in a studio movie shooting in fucking New Zealand and that was probably your 25th movie or something And I got down there and you guys were both so generous.

[331] And because we were both young guys who had people be generous.

[332] But you, Seth, had started doing movies when you were 10 years old, right?

[333] Seven.

[334] Seven, right.

[335] You were in a Woody Allen movie at what age?

[336] 12.

[337] And then what age are you in better off dead?

[338] Better off dead.

[339] You're not in better off dead.

[340] No. I'm thinking of the other one.

[341] John Cryer?

[342] No. Oh, you're thinking can't buy me love.

[343] Can't buy me love.

[344] which is my very favorite movie of that era.

[345] Yes, you're the little brother.

[346] I am, yeah.

[347] I had just turned 14, maybe.

[348] I think I was just about 14.

[349] I think I turned 14 on that movie.

[350] Suffice to say, you had had a lot, you had had a couple decades of experience at that point.

[351] And Lillard had in a ton of movies as well.

[352] And it was the perfect two guys to end up in a movie with because you guys are both pretty eageless.

[353] You're both really hard workers.

[354] You have all these qualities that I got so lucky.

[355] You guys were patient with me, and I was able to just learn really good at it.

[356] No, I'm not like we had to guide you.

[357] No, I have some rough scenes in there.

[358] What was cool is that Brill would invite us to watch dailies, right?

[359] So we would shoot all week, and then he would invite us to watch what we had filmed.

[360] We'd all sit there together and watch.

[361] And I remember being in scenes with you, Seth, originally the first scenes we shot where I was like, wow, this guy's not doing anything.

[362] Like, he's not, I, in my mind at that time, I think I was thinking, like, every scene in a movie, you're Jack Nicholson and a few good men.

[363] Like, you should be screaming and flailing your arms about.

[364] And I remember watching Seth and thinking, is he doing anything?

[365] And then going to Dailies and going, oh, fuck, wow, that's what that looks like when you put it on a screen.

[366] And I really got to, like, in really rapid order, kind of figure out how that medium works just through watching you.

[367] through first thinking like oh my god he's not doing anything and then going holy shit he's doing so much it was just really it was really great i think that's all really valuable us all seeing what it is that we're making understanding that it looks like a movie yeah and the actors all being able to witness each other and you remember one of my one of my many reoccurring uh shortcomings as an actor at that point was remember how often i looked into the lens do you remember we'd be watching daylies and it almost became like a drinking game like oh oh and unfortunately it was in Some of my best scenes, I'd actually be getting somewhere, like, and it Brilled later told me they had to, like, set aside some digital budget to rotoscope my eyes out of the lens.

[368] Yeah, because, like, my best takes, I'm staring right in the lens.

[369] Ooh, do you watch Daily's, yeah.

[370] It was like, whack them all, like, ooh, there he is again.

[371] He's in the lens.

[372] That takes such practice, though.

[373] Oh, and I'm totally faking it, you know, I'm acting like I know what's going on, but I do not know what's going on.

[374] But you must have been good, because if.

[375] You were staring down the lens and you weren't good.

[376] You would have been fired.

[377] I don't know that I could have been fired.

[378] We were in so deep because they trained us for a month.

[379] We were in New Zealand.

[380] They would have been really expensive.

[381] They would have just told Brill you got to make this work.

[382] And in fact, maybe they told Brill you got to make this work.

[383] I don't know.

[384] They were so happy with the Dailies.

[385] And then we tested so high.

[386] But I will never forget this is such a good lesson in just perception.

[387] Are you going to talking about the first time we saw it?

[388] The first time.

[389] I tell this story.

[390] all the time.

[391] I think I just told it last week.

[392] So collectively we thought we literally we thought we're making diner in the woods.

[393] Right.

[394] We're making the big chill.

[395] Yeah, the big chill.

[396] And you've got an even better example.

[397] You've got these three actors who all are working really hard to give an incredibly honest storyteller really on the story of a friendship about like life and death and love and decisions.

[398] And then Dax and I go to a test screening.

[399] And how do you even explain it?

[400] The whole movie as a whole plays so much sillier and more broad and silly.

[401] Well, I would say the defining thing we both came to recognize is, oh, this was made for 12 -year -olds.

[402] Yeah, it did feel really young.

[403] You and I both over the last 14 years have come to love that movie in a way and really appreciate it.

[404] And I think, or at least I'll speak for myself, I've come to recognize why people love the movie.

[405] At first, it was just a little bit jarring.

[406] that we thought we were making one movie and it just wasn't that movie.

[407] Dax and I sat together like practically holding hands.

[408] We probably were holding each other.

[409] Having like a really indescribable emotional experience.

[410] And then even worse, it's like Tommy Waiso watching the room with an audience and seeing everyone like and you're just like I poured my heart into this.

[411] They're watching me kill myself on camera.

[412] There was lines that they laughed at that I didn't.

[413] not think we're jokes like yeah sincere moments but the best thing is watching that movie through other people's eyes and realizing how many people love it and then coming to appreciate what it is that we've made and how much fun it is there is no movie we could have seen that would have lived up to the life experience we had making it so we go to new zealand yeah so we have like we have we overturned in fives like that was just oh yeah yeah we had these Olympic gold medal rowers teaching us how to navigate rapids in a canoe.

[414] And there's three of us in a boat and Porcess just stuck in the middle.

[415] So if Lillard and I get it wrong, which we did regularly, we're going over in these class five rabbits.

[416] I quickly learned how to keep my camera above my head when we dumped.

[417] You get in this bubble when you're doing a movie where it's like you weirdly feel like you're in a pretend world.

[418] Even though you're physically on a river that is a class five, something in your brain goes, oh, this is for a movie.

[419] This is like Disneyland.

[420] You're not thinking at all about the risk.

[421] We're jumping off of high waterfalls and shit.

[422] But the craziest thing that happened was we, about five times in a row, we had to jump in at the top of this class, four or five rapid.

[423] I don't know.

[424] It was fucking gigantic.

[425] And we had to jump off these rocks and they were going to film us floating through the rapids, right?

[426] And we did this three times.

[427] And they had all these search and rescue people.

[428] And on one of the times, Seth Green disappears.

[429] Well, let me explain.

[430] There's a swirling eddy at the base of this cliff, right?

[431] You have to jump past it.

[432] Oh, my God.

[433] Because it'll pull you in and that's exactly what happened.

[434] And the fucked up thing about it was I immediately was like, oh, I can get myself out.

[435] And I started trying to climb this apparently razor sharp, slippery rock.

[436] And so I immediately like, and just tear my fucking hands apart.

[437] Prior to that, they said, if you get sucked under, just go with it.

[438] It'll spit you out.

[439] And Seth is very calm under fire as a person in general, as you saw on Punk.

[440] When people were fucking somersaulting through the window, he stays calm.

[441] So you didn't panic.

[442] He disappeared for like count of 10.

[443] And he did not pop up until a quarter mile down the river.

[444] And people on jet skis are now racing to him.

[445] That was a lot of fun.

[446] But that's not even the moment where we realized how dangerous it was.

[447] Because they finally got enough shots of us and then they pull us out.

[448] And then they set the stunt men in and they're going to go over in the canoe.

[449] They do the exact same thing we've just done five times.

[450] And a guy breaks his head open, has to get rushed to the hospital.

[451] is in the ICU and this guy's an Olympic fucking rower and we go oh Jesus the Olympian just got her doing this oh wow so suffice to say there was all these like really heightened moments that would never happen in your real life that were happening daily for us we're working with a fucking real 10 foot bear that's 1400 pounds Bart the bear that was every day was something cuckoo to date one of the more amazing experiences of my life there's one moment that kind of trumps all them for me is that they kept Bart the bear in this horse trailer and And they'd keep them in there until it's time for him to work.

[452] Mind you, he is not nocturnal, but all of it is a night shoot.

[453] So he's grumpy as fuck, and they're feeding him a huge sauce pan of coffee.

[454] Do you remember that?

[455] I forgot about that.

[456] They had a huge long sauce pan.

[457] They're feeding him coffee and donuts.

[458] So he's eating sugar and caffeine.

[459] He's so irate.

[460] And so he's in this horse trailer.

[461] And all of a sudden you just, you hear, in the horse trailer is rocking back and forth on two wheels.

[462] And Doug goes, well, I've got to go in there.

[463] And Doug opens the door.

[464] to a horse trailer.

[465] This thing's going fucking King Kong in there and he goes in there and you hear him screaming no Bart no no no bar in the fucking trailer smashing around everything and he's now pinned dug under him and then you hear good boy bar and then the trailer is completely calm what a job it was so amazing the life experience was so profound making this movie and the three of us got so close we rented a house together and we lived together and it just was, it was the best experience of my life, I think.

[466] And then so, of course, no movie could they have played where we would have felt like had captured this thing we went through, right?

[467] And when we, by the time I got to the premiere, I appreciated.

[468] Yeah, I really have.

[469] Can I say what you said when we walked out of that screening?

[470] Well, Dax and I, like, before the credits went down, I was like, let's smoke, let's smoke outside right this second.

[471] We walked outside on the Wonder Brothers lot and we like, turn the corner and just put our arms around each other and just sort of laughed.

[472] It was called the police because there's going to be a bomb at the box office.

[473] Do you remember that?

[474] You know, I got, I got, I honestly, I got dressed down about that after the fact.

[475] You did, how?

[476] Just sort of remind it about the way that word of mouth can kill something.

[477] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[478] Both positive or negative in that if you're a part of something, especially if something stands a chance of being successful, even for comedy's sake, there's no point in they saying it.

[479] Oh, fuck, I've learned so much since then.

[480] And also now I've been behind the curtain in a lot of different capacities on a movie and I recognize all that stuff.

[481] But certainly at that time, that's not what I was thinking.

[482] I was just thinking, me neither.

[483] Where is the big chill?

[484] Where's the big chill?

[485] We don't mean the big chill.

[486] I don't understand.

[487] They're really focused on the far joke.

[488] Press tour that they sent us on was to this day, the most epic promotional tour I've ever been on.

[489] My folder says five weeks on the road.

[490] And it's all the pictures for each of the.

[491] the cities.

[492] Lillard was savvy because Lillard had just come off, well, you were savvy too, but Lillard in particular was savvy about this kind of stuff because he had just come off of the Scooby -Doo movies that were super successful.

[493] And he basically said, they at one point said, we'd now like to add to the schedule every night that you're in a town, you have to go to a baseball game and throw out a first pitch or go to the football game, whatever the sporting event was we had to do.

[494] And Lillard said, okay, we're willing to do that if you give us a private jet for the whole thing.

[495] Yeah.

[496] So now I'm 29 or 8 and I'm with you two idiots.

[497] It was.

[498] It was, And we have our own jet.

[499] Yeah.

[500] And we're flying all over the country.

[501] Every day we're in a new city.

[502] It's like we're in the Rolling Stones all of a sudden.

[503] And I was single at the time.

[504] So we had crazy like, what if somebody got on the plane?

[505] Well, you and I both remember we fell in love with two journalists in Toronto.

[506] Well, love, I think.

[507] But we were definitely.

[508] No, in that moment.

[509] Yeah, we were definitely trying to take people with it.

[510] Although it's really inconsiderate to assume that someone is going to leave their city or country.

[511] on your plane.

[512] And then I remember we kept offering, no, no, no, we'll pay your flight back or a bus or whatever.

[513] And then no one, no one.

[514] Do you remember the first thing I did leaving Van Nuys Airport, the very first flight, I think we flew to Dallas first.

[515] And I was like, two things, guys, I've never smoked on an airplane, I've never rode shirtless.

[516] So I took my shirt off and lit up a cigarette and then we flew to Dallas.

[517] Was that one of the times we got them to zero G?

[518] I do believe that.

[519] Yes.

[520] The fucking greatest thing ever.

[521] So most pilots.

[522] Which you talk the person into.

[523] Yeah, because most of these pilots, especially for private, they're former military and they've got some Air Force experience and stuff.

[524] And so they'll climb to, you know, like 30 or 40 ,000, 50 feet on into a parabola where they steep nosedive for, you know, seven or eight.

[525] Like the vomit con that they film all those.

[526] Exactly like that, which I have written on, by the way.

[527] Right.

[528] Yeah, you said's got way into NASA on you.

[529] That's probably when you did the bomb.

[530] I did.

[531] Well, you know, that's that old conversation of like, how famous am I?

[532] Can I call?

[533] Can I go.

[534] check out.

[535] That would be a great reality show for us to do.

[536] How famous am I?

[537] And then we, yeah, we just cold call like the president of Paraguay and see if we can be guests of his at a dinner or something.

[538] That's how I wound up on Sesame Street.

[539] When we were filming without a paddle, I called my publicist and I was like, am I famous enough to do Sesame Street?

[540] We're on this press tour and not unlike without a paddle where I had remained sober up until the last few weeks.

[541] I had been sober through this whole press tour, which was very hard because we're just landing in cities.

[542] We're on a private jet.

[543] But at night, you're at a hotel and they're paying the bill.

[544] So, you know, everyone's drinking.

[545] It's a great time to drink.

[546] And I'm just watching these guys get to drink and have a blast for a few of the weeks.

[547] And then something happened.

[548] Our plane broke in Toronto.

[549] We had already been there one night.

[550] Oh, God, I forgot about that.

[551] And we were staying at the four seasons.

[552] They always put you up in the nicest place.

[553] And so we had gone to the airport and had waited for a few hours.

[554] And then it was determined this plane's not going to fly you guys out.

[555] here.

[556] So we're flying in a new plane for you and which is so funny.

[557] They felt so apologetic about it.

[558] I don't know why.

[559] Yeah.

[560] That they're like, we're so, so sorry guys, but you're going back into the city tonight, which meant we had no work responsibilities.

[561] And we got you guys at very nice rooms.

[562] Well, these very nice rooms were literally 2 ,000 square foot rooms.

[563] When we got into our rooms, we were on the top floor.

[564] We were like running into the hallway to say to which, what did you?

[565] What does your room look like?

[566] And the room had a legitimate full bar in it.

[567] Not like little, uh, mini bar.

[568] Not a mini bar.

[569] Full fifths of shit, right?

[570] And when I opened my door and I saw that bar, I went, I'm not going to be able to make it.

[571] This is too much.

[572] I think your exact words were, we're going to have a relapse tonight.

[573] Yes, that's exactly what I said.

[574] I saw you like on the escalator coming down to the, to have dinner.

[575] And I was like, we're going to have a relapse tonight.

[576] You knew a dude somehow in the city that could get you pot.

[577] And you were going to have some pot delivered.

[578] And I said, oh, so you got a guy.

[579] I'm like, since I'm relapsing, does he have ecstasy?

[580] And you're like, oh, well, I'll find out.

[581] This was some steep enabling on your part because, like, I said, oh, I don't know if I'm going to eat any ecstasy.

[582] And then we're both at the urinal.

[583] And you come behind my back, put your hand or your arm around my neck and pop the, you would just complain.

[584] And then you just lean into my ear.

[585] You're like, just swallow it.

[586] And I was like, all right.

[587] I'll go with you here.

[588] We're, this is a safe place.

[589] We don't have to leave until like 10 in the morning.

[590] One funny element about this is I do all this ecstasy, I get hammered.

[591] I've been sober at that point for maybe two and a half months.

[592] And then I say to my publicist, shit, I'm going to have a hard time going to sleep tonight.

[593] And he's like, oh, I have Ambien.

[594] So he gives me a few Ambien, which up to that point I had never done Ambien.

[595] Now, I did Ambien for the first time when we were making without a paddle because I had such intense insomnia since I was like 15 years old and I found.

[596] And the whole time I was making that movie.

[597] I didn't smoke at all.

[598] You didn't smoke weed, which...

[599] No, I didn't smoke anything because we were so...

[600] It was so active.

[601] I was like, I'm gonna need...

[602] And also, I don't like to be...

[603] I don't like to smoke when I'm working.

[604] Yeah.

[605] I like that surgical clarity with respect to performing.

[606] Mm -hmm.

[607] So...

[608] But you drank a lot, which you don't normally drink a lot.

[609] No, I drank every night in New Zealand.

[610] That was insane that I started to, because I don't...

[611] And you were drinking like vodka.

[612] You went straight to being like a real...

[613] A real drinksman.

[614] That's true.

[615] Yeah.

[616] It's true.

[617] I was very.

[618] very impressed by your tolerance.

[619] I have a shocking alcoholic tolerance.

[620] It's a little...

[621] Probably all substance tolerance.

[622] Probably.

[623] Yeah, you have a good constitution for that.

[624] My metabolism is...

[625] I've got the standing heart rate of a hummingbird.

[626] That's right.

[627] So we get annihilated.

[628] I do a bunch of now ambient on top of everything else I've done and wake up in the morning and we are now late for the jet.

[629] And my publicist who would normally have probably called my room, he's MIA.

[630] So I now go to his room.

[631] this Jason.

[632] I knock on Jason's door.

[633] I'm like, Jason, Jason, we got to go.

[634] We got to go to the airport.

[635] And I hear as he's walking across the room, I hear all this metal climbing into itself, right?

[636] I hear like plates are dropping.

[637] I'm like, what the fuck is going on in there?

[638] He opens the door and I am not exaggerating.

[639] He has at least 10 of those food carts that you order from room service because he was on Ambien and he kept reordering his thing because it was taking like an hour and then they would tell him sir you've already already i don't care i'll take this and then so just waves of food showed up and he was just he didn't eat any of it he was asleep by the time he like all these things arrive and his room was just standing room only with uh room cart and then we get on a plane and i have uh you know a ton of shame and i'm feeling bad no oh my god you remember that was one thing is they would often offer to let us sit in the jump seat while they landed which was cool and he and set was recommending oh you Because pre -September 11th, you could ride in the jump seat in any cockpit just by asking.

[640] And so I asked all the fucking time because riding in the cockpit of a plane, both during takeoff landing or in travel, is an incredibly unique experience.

[641] It is.

[642] And I tried to get in the jump seat with my shirt still off.

[643] And they actually said, could you put your shirt?

[644] I remember that.

[645] Anyways, long, long story short, we on the plane ride to New York from Toronto.

[646] My post is, thank you as me, Xanax.

[647] And now I feel, all of a sudden I feel good again.

[648] And then I end up getting Coke by the time I land.

[649] And then I go on Conan and basically a blackout.

[650] And then I was asked not to come back for several years.

[651] And then eventually they let me back on.

[652] You know, it's good, Dax, because you got to get your shit together lesson before the scrutiny on you was so high that it was career ending.

[653] Yes.

[654] And the truth is you've got a long career ahead of you because you're a hard worker and you're talented.

[655] I was a hard worker.

[656] I questioned anymore.

[657] Really?

[658] Yeah, yeah.

[659] I get nervous as I get older that I...

[660] You just don't try as hard?

[661] Well, I don't know that I have the fire.

[662] I don't know.

[663] I certainly my ego, which is a very healthy evolution, my ego doesn't desire more success for the sake of success.

[664] Do you think you find so much satisfaction in raising kids that it's less compelling to create other things?

[665] 100%.

[666] I am so fulfilled by the experience of being a father.

[667] It gives me so much self -esteem and I used to search for that self -esteem in my career for maybe the first time in my life I have pretty solid self -esteem and it's weird what that does to your motivation in ways so I don't think I'm I'm done but but I do think I'm going to have to now find my way back into being productive and and motivated through a pure motivation like for the joy of the process which yeah I had a taste of that chips for me the year I was making the movie yeah it was just, it was a fucking 10 from beginning to end.

[668] It was like being on drugs without being on drugs.

[669] So the process does appeal to me in a big way, but the notion of being like applauded or celebrated or successful, that is subsided, thank God.

[670] Yeah, I think your voice is unique and I know you as a writer -creator.

[671] So I always look forward to your expressions in that category.

[672] Yeah, there'll be more.

[673] I just think I all have to adjust what exactly where I'm doing that.

[674] We did that movie.

[675] It was really successful by those standards of that day.

[676] It was like a $19 million movie that made 16 weeks in the top five.

[677] Yeah.

[678] Yeah, it just wouldn't go anywhere.

[679] And then it was hugely successful on DVD and stuff.

[680] You took that opportunity.

[681] You also had just an Italian job, which was a $100 million movie.

[682] You know, you had just been in the Austin Powers movies.

[683] Like, you were doing very, very well.

[684] And you took your cultural capital at that moment.

[685] and you chose to start Robot Chicken.

[686] Not on purpose.

[687] I wasn't trying to do anything.

[688] Well, that's what's really fucking cool about it, though, is that from my perspective back then, I remember thinking, oh, wow, Seth kind of has the keys of the kingdom.

[689] And you could have gotten yourself into any audition.

[690] You were just in a really great spot as an actor.

[691] And then you dedicated a ton of your focus time and attention to this thing, Robot Chicken, which, again, at the time, it was like, what is Cartoon Network?

[692] What is Adult Swim?

[693] What are all these things in?

[694] but you had this super altruistic passion for it, from my perspective.

[695] You weren't evaluating whether it was monetizable or was a commodity or was going to be propelling your career, anything.

[696] You just focused on something you fucking love, which was stop motion.

[697] And I remember kind of thinking, God, is he going to miss this great opportunity?

[698] And I have been so delighted to see that I was dead wrong and that that thing has turned out to be a very sustained long -term career thing you've done.

[699] It ultimately has been profitable for you.

[700] And you also were doing family guy and all these.

[701] It just makes me so delighted that it all, you ended up crushing.

[702] Like you made, you made decisions that I thought were kind of counter to perpetuating your career.

[703] And it's really impressive.

[704] And it, and rarely do you see someone just going after their passion without any care in the world and being rewarded for it.

[705] And I love it.

[706] And it wasn't even my intent.

[707] You know, in the end of the 90s.

[708] the internet was just sort of on the rise and the idea of making digital content.

[709] That's what I was interested in.

[710] I'd made a ton of independent film.

[711] And I understood that there's a very basic principle of people will only give you as much money as they think they can make back.

[712] Sure.

[713] And they'll only invest in something that they think there's some value in unless it's so cheap that it's negligible for them to spend on it.

[714] And that's where I was coming from is like, I bet we can do something really high quality for no money.

[715] because there's zero pressure in this space.

[716] Yeah.

[717] No one's looking at me to fail or succeed here.

[718] So we can kind of just do something.

[719] But I don't want to gloss over.

[720] What is it that gave a 30 -year -old the level of self -assuredness and confidence to do that?

[721] It goes back to the integrity thing.

[722] I've seen you in a million situations.

[723] You're dead fucking honest.

[724] You have the best sense of humor about yourself of anyone I've ever met.

[725] We must talk about Chiching before you leave.

[726] But you just, I'm truly saying this from the bottom of my heart.

[727] You're so admirable in a lot of ways.

[728] And I feel like just your self -confidence has always been really obvious to me. And why and how?

[729] You're a fucking actor.

[730] You should be an approval junkie.

[731] You should be chasing any kind of acclaim.

[732] Is it the length of time you had been in the business?

[733] Or is it just your character?

[734] Or are you filling your well with self -esteem in a way that has allowed you to not chase that stuff?

[735] I'm not trying to put you in a position to brag, but I'm just curious.

[736] No, no, no, it's more that I don't, um, it's, it's not, it's not like any kind of confidence.

[737] It's just there's a certainty in some places.

[738] Like, I've seen all kinds of people in all kinds of situations and you're, you think every, and plus I, I probably did a lot of drugs when I was young and got outside of self and had those, you know, microcosmic experiences of connecting with the universe on a granular level to realize like, everybody's the same everybody feels insecurity everyone yes i've traveled around the world and everybody from the most desperate poverty to the wealthiest of opportunity everybody has the same basic core needs they just have a different way of getting and expressing it so that that makes me more confident that my place is just my place and i don't need to try and be in somebody else's place nor concern myself with their judgment of me because most of these interactions are momentary, right?

[739] And then with respect to my work, I have seen over and over again the difference between a good audition and a bad audition, right?

[740] And when someone is confident and certain, they make you think about it.

[741] They're like, oh, this would be cool to work with.

[742] Trick yourself into being confident.

[743] Yeah.

[744] Fake it so you make it.

[745] That's with anything.

[746] Well, we, Monica and I both were just listening to a podcast where the guy said it is far easier to act your way into changing your thinking than it is to think your way into changing your actions.

[747] I thought that was pretty profound.

[748] Yeah, from the outside in.

[749] Yeah, like this dude, he's a, was the LA time?

[750] I'm sorry, a New York, New Yorker journalist, whatever the fuck.

[751] He lived biblically for like three years to the letter of the law.

[752] And then he tried to become the healthiest person on planet.

[753] And he did that for two years.

[754] And he's just done all these experiments.

[755] And he said, it's crazy how much acting those ways will change your mental state.

[756] Totally.

[757] Yeah.

[758] I read this really fascinating article.

[759] I believe in The New Yorker.

[760] it was by a psychiatrist who had met with a new patient and the woman he was meeting with he's going through these laundry list of things you know do you do how much you drink how much you do this blah blah blah and she didn't really drink she didn't do drugs she was a very successful woman and she said all I do is I chew this nicotine gum I chew a ton of them probably like 24 day or something and he goes in his however many decades of being a psychiatrist he has started to notice that he can diagnose people's mental condition by what recreational drugs drugs they use and what effect they have.

[761] So if he has a patient who does cocaine and can fall asleep, he knows, oh, that person has ADHD because only people with ADHD can take riddlin or a stimulant and then fall asleep.

[762] And if people smoke a lot of weed and are productive and energized by it, they most certainly are dealing with depression.

[763] And he said, what's fascinating is that people find their drugs that they need.

[764] We offer some.

[765] We have Prozac.

[766] We have SSRI inhibitors, all these different things.

[767] They're just drugs we made and people seem to find the drugs they need.

[768] So for me, I think that happens to be nicotine and caffeine.

[769] I just always been on it.

[770] When I'm off of it, I'm very negative and have a hard time on planet earth.

[771] I'm wondering, you love weed and you're productive on weed.

[772] Do you think you found your drug?

[773] To the extent that I need any kind of drug.

[774] I will, when I'm, like the whole time I was shooting this, When I was directing the movie, I just didn't smoke.

[775] I just didn't.

[776] And did you have any waves of, did you have mood swings during that?

[777] Or you're pretty high from making the movie.

[778] I was real high from making the movie.

[779] But you know what's funny?

[780] I didn't smoke pot until I was in my mid -20s.

[781] Oh, really?

[782] Yeah.

[783] Oh, I didn't realize that.

[784] I had been battling chronic insomnia since I was 15.

[785] Uh -huh.

[786] And I just didn't drink.

[787] I told you because alcoholism was real in my family.

[788] Yeah.

[789] And I didn't smoke pot just because it felt.

[790] dumb like stoners like dirt that just didn't seem cool to me at all I started when I was I think I when I was 16 I ate acid for the first time and then I got really into psychedelics but always from a scientific standpoint sure not in a recreational like let's go to this fucking house burning you read the McKinney book Terence McKinney I read all of that shit I was yeah what was that called the um some of our mushrooms in South America what the fuck was it's the uh in in in Inc. Don't worry, Monica, figured up.

[791] Electric Kool -Aid acid test and all of the beat, the beat poets.

[792] Yeah, me too.

[793] I got into Charles Mikovsky.

[794] Oh, I loved them.

[795] Me too, like Bill Burroughs and stuff.

[796] I just read all this.

[797] You know, from the time I was, before I was 15, I was going to substance and alcohol meetings with my mom.

[798] You and I share this amazing similarity too in that we were raised by single mothers.

[799] Money was a big, big issue.

[800] And then there was a lot of substance abuse stuff around us.

[801] Yeah.

[802] But I started going to those meetings and seeing adults honestly and like just unguardedly dealing with this shit.

[803] So all around Los Angeles and Philadelphia, I went to meetings.

[804] And I'm a little kid.

[805] Yes, yes.

[806] Barely 15 years or I guess I was, yeah, it's like 15 right then.

[807] And I got all of this information so fast that it made me never want to drink.

[808] It made me never want to drink.

[809] But I had read so much when I was young and psychedelics, acid mushrooms, those were all common themes and things.

[810] As part of a school project, I read all this stuff about the government study with respect to psychedelics and marijuana.

[811] And I thought that was fucking fascinating.

[812] The idea of having a clinical study that was based on scientific analysis, your body and mind's reaction to different substances under different conditions.

[813] That to me is really interesting.

[814] Let's find out what biological reaction is caused by this stimulus.

[815] Yeah.

[816] And so that's what I did the first time I ate ass.

[817] It was just like made notes.

[818] Check my heart rate.

[819] Professor Green.

[820] I did until I got so high.

[821] Then you eventually cross over into the subatomic particle awareness.

[822] And you're like, oh, everything is one.

[823] I kind of can't help it.

[824] Yeah.

[825] But I didn't start smoking pot.

[826] Well, first of all, I didn't, I had a huge period of time where I just didn't do anything.

[827] Right.

[828] My time experimenting with all that stuff was between like 16 and 21.

[829] Uh -huh.

[830] Hilariously enough.

[831] I was like, I'm done with that.

[832] I didn't start.

[833] drinking until I was in my I was in my 20s and I had just gone through a breakup and you thought I'm going to give this a shot well I was just out at bars and stuff dancing you know but it's still not your jam really you're not a big drinker still no yeah and the and the pot I only got into because it helped me sleep so well but you also function very well on it and you're still productive and you're still very coherent like to me like I think I was designed to drink alcohol like you can throw as much at me as you want.

[834] I'll still be standing and yes, you know what I'm saying?

[835] You might black out.

[836] Yeah, I'll definitely black out at some point, but you won't know I'm blacked out while I'm that's fair.

[837] That's fair.

[838] But yeah, it just seems like for whatever reason, physiologically, when I did smoke pot, I'm not, I can't really function.

[839] I'm insecure.

[840] I'm thinking about what I'm saying if it makes sense.

[841] But so one of the one of the funnier experiences we had, while we were on that crazy press tour, we were at, we decided to get lunch and we went to like a Chili's in a mall parking lot.

[842] And we were in Philadelphia.

[843] Sure.

[844] Philadelphia, my hometown.

[845] We're in Seth's hometown.

[846] And we're like, we're pulling into this like Chili's.

[847] And Seth is like staring out the window.

[848] He's really caught in thought.

[849] And he goes, oh, my God.

[850] That's where my mother's car burnt down in front of the school bus that was taking me to summer camp.

[851] Yeah, my mom's beater caught fire while we're all loading into the bus.

[852] And I remember the girl that I was trying to flirt with was like, oh, my God, somebody's car is on fire.

[853] And I was like, oh, let's let's give him some space.

[854] The best thing for us to do would be to look away from that car fire and not question whose car that is.

[855] Or who that redheaded woman is running frantically around the burning vehicle.

[856] I won't out any specifics, but I do remember reading an article a couple years ago about you guys renegotiating your family guy deal.

[857] And the first text I sent to Seth was, congratulations on your renegotiation.

[858] I hope you burned down a car in the parking lot of Chili's to celebrate.

[859] Like how far you've come.

[860] But it is.

[861] It's another thing that really I find impressive about you is that.

[862] that, again, your confidence is so high.

[863] Your self -esteem, again, my estimation has always been really impressive.

[864] And in reality, you're starting from some places that don't breed tons of self -esteem and self -confidence.

[865] Well, it's also that I'm not aiming to be something else.

[866] I'm not, you know, 5 '4 saying, I don't understand why I'm not getting called to play Jason born.

[867] Like, there's no. Right, but you're also 5 -4 in your, you've done really well with ladies prior to your wife.

[868] I've met all your, not all.

[869] I've met many of your girlfriends.

[870] They're all beautiful.

[871] They're not with you because you're famous.

[872] They're in love with you.

[873] Like you're a boss and I think it's awesome.

[874] This guy.

[875] This guy.

[876] Your wife Claire who's a bonafide 10.

[877] She is wild about you.

[878] The guy who married a 10, a proper 10.

[879] Who married a literal princess.

[880] No, we like each other.

[881] So all this time goes by.

[882] You do a lot of robot chicken.

[883] And then you also, you're on the family guy and that's a great, that's a great safety net, right?

[884] Isn't that just?

[885] Yeah.

[886] If that ended tomorrow, I would say, holy shit, I'm still the luckiest guy on the planet.

[887] I can't believe that's a job.

[888] Yeah, because we have that in our family, which is frozen.

[889] Just out of nowhere, this thing happens, all these jobs.

[890] I think that's what people don't recognize when they go like, oh, why did you do that job or why do you do this or what?

[891] People don't recognize that all these jobs are the same for all of us.

[892] You go there, you try your very hardest.

[893] You believe while you're doing it.

[894] It's the best thing you've ever done.

[895] Yeah.

[896] Yeah.

[897] And then it bears no relation to what the end result is or product.

[898] It's just you hit the lottery or you don't kind of.

[899] And so Frozen is just this.

[900] She did a voice and blah, blah, blah.

[901] And then we see it.

[902] And then all of a sudden it's like, holy shit, you're in this thing.

[903] This is crazy.

[904] This thing too.

[905] And so what year are you guys in and Family Guy?

[906] This is our 16th season.

[907] Oh my God.

[908] What the fuck.

[909] And it's a hit still, right?

[910] It's still like a giant show.

[911] We recorded our 300th episode.

[912] Oh my God.

[913] It's insane.

[914] And so how is that?

[915] helped you make the decisions you've made.

[916] Well, I've never been the type to live beyond my means.

[917] No, you're very frugal.

[918] I remember when we were doing with Auto Paddle and you came to the table and you were driving a fucking Honda Civic and all I care about his cars and I thought, look at this guy is, he's a bona fide movie star and he's driving a Honda Civic.

[919] It was manual.

[920] It's really good for you.

[921] And remember, I was driving an escalate and you go, who's douche mobiler?

[922] What did you say?

[923] Who's dickhead mobile is this?

[924] So you're right.

[925] You've never, even when I met you and you had plenty of money, you had a very modest apartment in the valley.

[926] And I still live that way.

[927] I think that's actually a good way to live.

[928] But I do do crazy shit, like put the fucking waterslide.

[929] Yeah, you have an elaborate in labor -intensive, construction -intensive water slide.

[930] You have the kind of water slide that was at wet and wild when I was a kid in your backyard.

[931] It's a repurposed tube from a former water park.

[932] The thing that people usually want to pay you a lot for is not necessarily the thing that you always want to do.

[933] For sure.

[934] And then if you're, if you make decisions based on the stuff that you really love, when people see it, they can feel that.

[935] And that's usually the most attractive version of what you're offering.

[936] Yeah.

[937] I think the audience can tell when you're, when you're there because you need this thing to exist.

[938] Uh -huh.

[939] So you have, you have your own studio.

[940] But I share with three partners.

[941] That you she has.

[942] Yeah.

[943] And then how did you, you just directed a movie this last summer.

[944] in Thailand, correct?

[945] Yeah.

[946] How did you get that over the finish line?

[947] Yeah, it's such a fucking, I mean, you've been through the same hurdle.

[948] So I took a trip in 2009 with my friend Dan Ferguson and had such a romantic, cinematic experience in Thailand that I wrote a movie about it, essentially.

[949] And it was all based on.

[950] And so we're saying, Dan is one of the main segment producers for Conan, who you've been friends with for 20 years now.

[951] And you guys have been on about 12 honeymoons together.

[952] We've been to Africa together.

[953] Yeah, you guys too.

[954] Yeah.

[955] It took me, you know, it took me like eight years to get the movie made.

[956] Okay, you were trying that long.

[957] A lot of things just came up in the way of me ever getting that script written.

[958] Yeah.

[959] Seasons of robot, a special I was directing, a feature that I was doing, pursuing some other directing gig.

[960] And then that show I did for Fox Dads.

[961] While I was making that show, the actress on it that I had most of my scenes with Brenda Song.

[962] I was like, oh, she would be this one character in that Thailand movie.

[963] This would be perfect, actually.

[964] Uh -huh.

[965] And so that reinvigorated me. And when that show got canceled, I was like, man, I better fucking write this thing or I'm never going to write it.

[966] And so from that moment, I started writing drafts.

[967] I went to Vegas.

[968] It seems like the single war city in America you could go do to write.

[969] You went there to write?

[970] I don't have vices like that.

[971] So what Vegas provides for me, the hotels are incredibly quiet.

[972] And I like to stay high enough that you can see the.

[973] whole place.

[974] And then also, it is the only place I know in the country where you cannot leave your room for seven days at a time.

[975] No one calls the cops.

[976] And you can literally have anything you need delivered.

[977] That's true.

[978] And so since I don't gamble, since I'm married, since I'm not like looking to do a shit ton of drugs, I'm going there to focus.

[979] Yeah.

[980] It becomes an incredibly valuable space.

[981] I've got, I've actually gotten a lot of writing about that.

[982] Interesting.

[983] I've always He's taking the opposite approach, but now you've got me intrigued.

[984] I don't think you should go to Vegas to do it.

[985] I think I should go to Dubai to write.

[986] Yeah.

[987] And I workshop that draft for a while.

[988] I had a producer attached to it.

[989] And I put a plan together.

[990] I met these producers in Thailand called Living Films that have been making movies out there for over 25 years.

[991] Are they expats or they are Thai?

[992] Yeah.

[993] One guy's American.

[994] One guy's German.

[995] Okay.

[996] But they both have Thai citizenship.

[997] Okay.

[998] And they're just plugged in.

[999] And their heart was in the same place.

[1000] They liked this movie.

[1001] They wanted to help us make it.

[1002] We knew there was an absolute maximum that anyone would spend on this movie the way that I wanted to make it.

[1003] And I was really fighting for a particular cast, which meant that I could only spend so much on it.

[1004] And that was it.

[1005] I met with like 40 financiers.

[1006] You know, I made hit and run for a million dollars, which now I'll tell anyone.

[1007] But at the time that before it came out and I was promoting it, I was in this weird position where I actually didn't want to say it cost a million dollars because I didn't want people to get their expectations low or things.

[1008] think like, well, I'm not going to go spend $12 on a movie that costs a million dollars.

[1009] I had all these, you know.

[1010] It's all the ways to think yourself out of just letting people receive it.

[1011] I've been doing my best to, because this is already not what anybody's going to be expecting from me, which is hard for me. But I've spent 30 years making movies and only in the last 10 years, the first category in my hyphenate is comedian.

[1012] Uh -huh.

[1013] And A, I don't do stand -up and B, I don't specialize in comedy.

[1014] So it's a little frustrating.

[1015] but instead of me being like frustrated by that, I just remember the audience only knows what you tell them for the last 12 years I've been telling them robot chicken family guy.

[1016] Also, side note when you're feeling healthy, it's like, fuck man, for people to have any association with you is like so lucky.

[1017] I definitely have been there where I'm like, oh, I'm only the guy, this guy.

[1018] And it's like, well, fuck, dude, I would have, you tell 12 year old version of Dax, he's that guy when he grows up, he's doing backflips.

[1019] For sure.

[1020] And I'm not trying to poo anything else that we're doing.

[1021] It's just, I imagine there will be a moment if anybody ever sees this movie.

[1022] It just won't be what they're expecting.

[1023] Right.

[1024] That's fun.

[1025] Hopefully it works well enough.

[1026] So it's a drama.

[1027] Ish.

[1028] I mean, it's like sideways for lack of the better comparison.

[1029] Uh -huh.

[1030] It's a guy who has prepaid a second honeymoon to Thailand for his failing marriage.

[1031] And on the eve of surprising his wife discovers she's been having a year -long affair.

[1032] And so instead of confronting her, he scoops his old best friend to take the trip and figure out what to do.

[1033] I love that.

[1034] What things did you take very quickly to and what things were really hard about directing the feature for you?

[1035] You're starring in it, right?

[1036] Yeah.

[1037] All of this movie, me being able to guarantee the price point, the schedule, the result was all me hedging my bets with people I knew I could guarantee.

[1038] So I cast people that I was certain about.

[1039] I tried to stack the deck in my favor in every way.

[1040] I think acting in something that I'm directing, I guess I just didn't realize how much I do as an actor between cut and action.

[1041] Because we'd call cut and I would be adjusting everyone and everything.

[1042] And then we'd call action and I hadn't done any thought of your own.

[1043] I just was not rooted correctly.

[1044] And so I made a point of not calling action so that I could give myself that, like, rolling moment of settling.

[1045] But I found that, that challenging for sure.

[1046] I had my DP who I gave very specific warnings to about what to look for in me or what to be aware of.

[1047] Like bad habits?

[1048] Just stuff like my eyebrow.

[1049] Okay.

[1050] My eyebrows will like.

[1051] You do too much brow acting.

[1052] The more still you can be the better.

[1053] So I never have had this on a movie that I've made.

[1054] I think because I've written those things and I really knew them so inside and out.

[1055] But parenthood, which I directed that show and I didn't write that show.

[1056] And as an actor, my job was harder on that show than it wasn't anything I've written because I'm interpreting someone else's language.

[1057] So there was a moment where I had done something as an actor and a scene in Parenthood and it was the episode I was directing and it sucked.

[1058] Like, you know, we did it and then I watched it and the camera shot I had designed wasn't working with this thing, right?

[1059] That's the only time I've had this where I got super, self -conscious like on set I'm I'm both struggling as an actor in the scene and now I'm also struggling as the director to figure out how to fix what is clearly a poorly designed shot and now people are star well maybe you should this and maybe you should that and um that that was very spirally like I'm like I need to step over there get my shit find my confidence and come back I need to first make the decision about the acting and then I'll make the decision about the directing but that was one little spiral I had where I got super self -conscious yeah I had the the benefit that, you know, making Robot Chicken for so long and producing on the scope of shows that we have under the studio banner, I've gotten to be in the position several times of having a room full of experts that we've hired on purpose start to all offer solutions to any given problem.

[1060] And I came to realize because I watched so many directors either do it right or do it wrong that you need one voice yeah everyone will follow yeah all any of these people want is to do the right thing yeah they are there because they're good at a particular thing and if you give them a task they will execute it but you have to maintain your vision yeah you have to be ready in that moment to say all right guys this is what we're doing it's making sure that like you're doing all the due diligence so you're not making that choice out of ego i said to everybody when we started this movie.

[1061] Look, guys, I want the best solution, even if it's not my idea.

[1062] I want at all times the best idea for us to be able to accomplish this goal.

[1063] The goal is always make our days, stay on time, stay on budget.

[1064] Everybody enjoys themselves.

[1065] Nobody gets hurt.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] It's not impossible.

[1068] I've made over 40 movies.

[1069] It's entirely possible to make a movie and have a good time.

[1070] Yeah, absolutely.

[1071] Well, I made a similar speech to my people, which was I've done this a couple times where it's like, hey, this may be awesome.

[1072] It may fucking suck.

[1073] It may be a hit.

[1074] It may tank.

[1075] All that we know for certain is that we're going to spend the next three months together.

[1076] And that thing we have control over.

[1077] We can make this as fun as we want or as shitty as we want.

[1078] That we actually have a say in.

[1079] We don't have a saying any of the other stuff.

[1080] Make this best memory we all can.

[1081] How far in advance did you know that Peña was going to carry you naked.

[1082] Because I have to tell you, I could not catch my fucking breath.

[1083] From the second he walked into the bathroom, I was like, this is, this is, it was me counting down to him getting hit in the face with your day.

[1084] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1085] Sometimes it's even more fun to know what's coming.

[1086] Like a lot of times you want to bury what's going to happen, but sometimes it's so fun to know that this homophobic guy is going to get a dick in his face.

[1087] It was like watching Hurt Locker.

[1088] Hurt Locker.

[1089] Yeah, from the second he gets there and I'm naked on the floor, you know, these two are getting intimate somehow.

[1090] Pena will admittedly say he's from a little bit different culture than I'm from and that he was raised in a Latino household.

[1091] And there's a little more machismo, at least in his household.

[1092] And so he was, there was very little acting for him to do in that scene.

[1093] And it was a late scene that I added in like, you know, while we were already rehearsing, I'm like, I sent him pages and I like emailed them.

[1094] And then I text him, hey, man, just wrote a new scene.

[1095] You're going to hate it.

[1096] Let's talk.

[1097] So funny.

[1098] But when you're directing, you have to remind yourself, I think.

[1099] And it's actually what makes a movie great is that the DP's making his own movie.

[1100] The DP has an idea of what movie he's making and he's making that movie.

[1101] Your co -stars are making a movie they think they're acting in, right?

[1102] And your sound guy has everyone, everyone is making their own movie in their head and all these departments.

[1103] And it is imperative that you should be collaborative.

[1104] Everyone should feel like they're included.

[1105] But ultimately, the biggest problem that many movies suffer from, right, is tone.

[1106] So one scenes like this.

[1107] One scenes is broadly comedic.

[1108] And the next scene is like it's all the way over here.

[1109] And that's, that's Seth Green's job.

[1110] That's the director, yeah.

[1111] That every scene, even if it swings in theme, it has to be your tone.

[1112] Whatever your tone is, to know your tone and to execute your tone, it's really required for a movie to be cohesive, wouldn't you agree?

[1113] I do.

[1114] And to your point earlier, it's much easier if it's something that I've written because I know all of the details of it enough to make on the fly decisions about what does or does not have to be there.

[1115] And there were moments where they're like, oh my God, we're going to get rained out.

[1116] We're not going to get this thing.

[1117] And we'd have to say, okay, well, let's pick up this thing tomorrow that looks like this from across here.

[1118] We can shoot this for that.

[1119] That'll still give me enough cinematic geography to get us from here to here.

[1120] Just like knowing what you need in editing gives you the ability to make decisions on the fly.

[1121] Yeah.

[1122] If you're Christopher Nolan or you're David Fincher, you do or your, or you're Quentin Tarantino, you do have 120 days to shoot and you have the time to make sure that everything you planned is exactly on the day as you envision it.

[1123] But for almost everyone else, you make a plan, you get there, you realize.

[1124] Oh, holy shit.

[1125] No one realized the sun is over here in the sky at this time.

[1126] We can't shoot in that direction anymore.

[1127] Fuck, I need to improv.

[1128] And to me, that is the absolute joy of the job is that doesn't matter how well you shot list your movie or pre -plan and shot list with your DP.

[1129] You're going to get there.

[1130] There's going to be 11 things that go wrong throughout the day.

[1131] And it is basically like going to work and sitting out with a crossword puzzle.

[1132] It's just all day long solving micro problems, isn't it?

[1133] I shot 13 days on boats.

[1134] Yeah, that alone Who has control over With the conditions of the ocean on that day And you feel like you executed The movie you had in your head You've now finished it You've edited it You've tested it And you've now submitted it to film festivals What's the name of the movie?

[1135] Change Land Change Land Yeah Okay Which was really only meant to be a placeholder But then it just became the title You are happy with it?

[1136] I am I mean for better or for worse It's what I set out to make Yeah That's a huge win.

[1137] There's all kinds of concessions that I made and things that look different, but there are whole sequences in the movie that look exactly the way I dreamed them, which is kind of insane.

[1138] It's almost uncomfortable to show it to anybody because it's not something that I can separate myself from.

[1139] It's all very personal, even though it's not about anything that is personal to me. Yeah.

[1140] And did it make you want to do that as much as you possibly can now to direct?

[1141] I definitely like directing film.

[1142] I don't imagine that I'll do a lot of directing for hire.

[1143] I think it'll be something that I've been involved.

[1144] That you write again or you develop.

[1145] Either something I write or something that I help develop.

[1146] But I also, I love acting.

[1147] You know, that's really my favorite thing.

[1148] And the thing I wish I could do more of.

[1149] Still.

[1150] Yeah.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] And that's what's funny is the more I meet, like, friends of mine I've had for a long time.

[1153] Most of them have sort of gotten less and less interested in acting and more interested in other things in their lives.

[1154] Most of the kids that I knew that were actors are far more interested in either directing or running their lifestyle brands.

[1155] When I'm their lifestyle brands.

[1156] Yeah, that's still my favorite thing and still the thing that makes me feel the most like myself.

[1157] Like I've said that a couple of times that I've never felt more like myself than between action and cut.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] Like that's really when everything makes sense for me. Well, I would imagine too, if you go back to your childhood and there was a lot of uncertainty And I think like me, you had very little say over your environment as a kid, right?

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] And then, yeah, ultimately, it doesn't matter if you're four years old, when they yell action, you are in charge.

[1162] Like, it's up to you to make all those decisions.

[1163] And you pretty much are in full control in those moments, right?

[1164] I haven't really thought about it from that perspective.

[1165] It is a really wonderful moment of total control.

[1166] That's interesting.

[1167] I feel like there's so many things out of my control when I'm performing.

[1168] Just me. I'm the only thing that I have control over.

[1169] in that moment.

[1170] But that's also kind of the alchemy of it is you get to make something real with somebody else.

[1171] That's really my favorite.

[1172] I think I'm just good at playing pretend.

[1173] I had a lot of fantasies about what this career would be if I succeeded at it.

[1174] And I had told myself, you know, how money would make me feel.

[1175] I told myself how approval from strangers would make me feel.

[1176] Those things fell dramatically short of my fantasy.

[1177] The thing I never even thought about, which is, ultimately the single best part of this job is that I'm in most part surrounded by other people who left their town to come pursue this thing with their whole heart and they made it and they're inspired and they're grateful.

[1178] And the actual community of people I've got to join has been the thing that so dramatically exceeded my expectations.

[1179] And you are certainly at the total height of that list for me. You have just always just brought me so much pleasure.

[1180] It was so fun to work with you as like the highlight of my acting career.

[1181] I tell people all the time because we got to hear BR talk about falling in love with Sally Fields.

[1182] Bur Reynolds.

[1183] That's what he said was, oh, just watching that movie.

[1184] People just saw us falling in love on film.

[1185] And I always thought about that with without a paddle.

[1186] Whenever someone is like, I like that movie.

[1187] I said, well, you just watch the three of us fall in head over heels for each other.

[1188] Absolutely.

[1189] That's what that movie is.

[1190] We were viscerally in love with each other.

[1191] It was contagious.

[1192] I think if you're in the audience So fun.

[1193] But at that point you were someone that I have deep gratitude for having met and you are the highlight of this job for me. And all of our many wonderful friends we share in common.

[1194] Well, Dax, you know how much I love you.

[1195] I think I've always been one of your biggest fans.

[1196] I think we've kissed before, right?

[1197] We definitely had like a mouth kiss.

[1198] Never a tongue kiss.

[1199] No, yeah.

[1200] Wait, chiching.

[1201] Oh, okay, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[1202] last thing I want to talk about before you go and I'll try to do it quickly if it can be done.

[1203] Good luck.

[1204] We're in the makeup trailer and without a paddle and we're kind of exchanging some of our more embarrassing moments in our teenage years and you start talking about an experience you had in my mind actually exploded out of my ears.

[1205] Growing up in Michigan, the two biggest commercials of all time in Michigan growing up were where's the beef campaign and then this Cheching campaign which was a Raleigh's hamburger commercial.

[1206] Also called Checkers and Checkers, yeah, depending on where you were at in the country.

[1207] And this kid would be behind the counter.

[1208] He'd be ringing people up and he'd go, two hamburgers, one small fry, chiching.

[1209] And it was so popular that in Detroit, the Pistons at that time were the champions.

[1210] And Dennis Rodman was one of our big stars.

[1211] And he had chiching shaved in the back of his head.

[1212] And he drove a Jeep that had an airbrush, chiching.

[1213] You can't imagine something being more ubiquitous than the term chiching.

[1214] come to find out in the makeup trailer that you were the fucking kid in the Chiching commercial and when you said that and I looked at you I went oh my God that is you that's where the story begins because as I recollect you had shot this commercial you don't live in Michigan or the Midwest so you never even saw this commercial air you have no clue that fucking Dennis Rodman has shaved Chiching in his head I saw it become a thing and I knew it was popular for the company but you have to understand like I that that Chichin commercial was the fourth commercial I did with this ad company and the same director.

[1215] I had done like crush and some like anti -smoking thing.

[1216] I just worked with this guy all the time.

[1217] Yeah.

[1218] And then this one commercial becomes popular and they said they want to make a second one.

[1219] And that was like when we realized how this thing is working.

[1220] It's blown up.

[1221] We're going to get to do another job.

[1222] And then rallies started bringing me to their like flagship location.

[1223] And the biggest, the biggest, the biggest thing that happened was I filmed their industrial, like their training video.

[1224] Oh, okay.

[1225] I think it got really silly.

[1226] Yeah, you were souped and nuts for the rallies.

[1227] The biggest thing was they called me and I don't even think I was 18 and they said that the New Orleans Saints were playing in the wild card playoffs against the Oakland Raiders at the Superdome and would I come lead a cheer at the Superdome And they would turn it into like a weekend I'd go visit like hospitals They put you up at a nice hotel First class airfare Yo you don't even know Like my first day checking into that hotel In the French Quarter I'm at the desk And there's like complimentary jumbalaya Or something They're getting my key Getting my key situated And across the lobby I see Richard Simmons And I said I said Holy shit that's Richard Simmons And I'm so excited Yeah And he's looking at me, and we're 50 feet apart.

[1228] He is giving me the ugliest stink face.

[1229] Like, who the fuck is that?

[1230] Really?

[1231] And I realized that he wasn't happy.

[1232] And so I, like, got super hot and, like, turned away.

[1233] And I go, Richard Simmons is like mad dogging you.

[1234] And they said, well, the hotel gave you his suite.

[1235] Oh, I didn't know that part of the story.

[1236] And I even said, I don't want it.

[1237] You can have it.

[1238] I don't want it.

[1239] But even though you knew that the commercials were successful, you did not realize that all of the Midwest.

[1240] No. Because you, they had you on a little bit of a dog and pony show.

[1241] The reason I know this in such detail is there is a video.

[1242] Because you were coming down to lead this chant, the local news did a piece, a little slice of life piece on you.

[1243] And they followed you through Norlands, and you are, I think, 16 or something.

[1244] Yeah.

[1245] And you're in a trench coat phase.

[1246] Sure.

[1247] You had a trench coat on.

[1248] And you're walking down Bourbon Street and super drunk, humongous middle -aged men are screaming at this little kid.

[1249] Jack Jing!

[1250] Like right in your face, screaming everywhere you go.

[1251] Forearmed New Orleans police officers with me all the time.

[1252] I just imagine how surreal it would be to be 16 years old and to travel to New Orleans.

[1253] And everyone you're seeing screaming, chiching at you.

[1254] From a commercial.

[1255] But also remember that at that point I gave you the key to the city, right?

[1256] They did.

[1257] But he did, they did.

[1258] But, Dax, at that point, you know, I had, I was like work.

[1259] I was a series regular on an ABC show.

[1260] That's the best part is that the news decided it was a much better story that you were a nobody.

[1261] They say, struggling actors, Seth Green.

[1262] Yeah, but you were on a sitcom at the time.

[1263] I had this amazing anonymity as a result of it.

[1264] Because the Chiching thing.

[1265] was so uniquely popular and didn't have any place in normal reality.

[1266] So it was entirely separate.

[1267] Like my career as Seth Gray and the actor was entirely separate from the mytha of the Chichingai.

[1268] And I got to speak this like I got to because I was so aware of the falseness of this like insane adulation.

[1269] Like none of that was real.

[1270] That was all like this momentary pop sensation that wasn't even my.

[1271] legacy.

[1272] That was just this thing.

[1273] No one would even connect that to me. They didn't.

[1274] People were like, you think you're going to give this acting thing a try?

[1275] I was like, buddy, I shot a movie with Woody Allen.

[1276] I was on Johnny Carson five years ago.

[1277] Which by the way, Seth, if you're bored, please go down a Seth Green YouTube rabbit hole.

[1278] It's one of the best because you'll discover this video about the New Orleans Saints.

[1279] And then also you'll see Seth Green on Johnny Carson wearing really tall converse.

[1280] That was when the converse that were really tall were popular.

[1281] I had my bugle boy jeans pegged above my calf at the time.

[1282] That's pretty bad.

[1283] But it's so epic, yeah, that you had been a guest on Johnny Carson talked to him.

[1284] And then this local news anchor is like, hey, kid, do you think you might stick with this?

[1285] Well, that's what, like I said, it gave me emotional plausible deniability.

[1286] So I wasn't really affected by the highs and lows of being.

[1287] the Cheching guy.

[1288] It's just like another part I got to.

[1289] But I know you intimately and then also to watch this news story on you and to see that you, again you're doing a great job of navigating it at 16 years old because you're it's such a bizarre scenario to be.

[1290] They're parading you around a city like Mickey Mouse and people are screaming at you and you're getting the keys to the city and clearly you don't love the term you don't love your catchphrase to Ching yet when it's fucking game time you go out on the field And you went for it.

[1291] Because the show must go on, actually.

[1292] There was no plan.

[1293] And I quickly realized as I turned to all of the New Orleans cheerleader, they were like, we'll follow you.

[1294] And I was like, I don't have a fucking plan.

[1295] What are you talking about?

[1296] And he went out there and he's doing the splits, karate kicks.

[1297] Are you doing Chichin?

[1298] Yes, he's screaming Chiching over and over again.

[1299] I basically just acted out what I did in the commercial.

[1300] Oh, God.

[1301] Like an Akito Kata with Chiching is my battle cry.

[1302] And 90 ,000 people are losing.

[1303] losing their shit as if Miley Cyrus is performing.

[1304] But that goes on for like seven or eight seconds and then everyone's like, all right.

[1305] Oh my God.

[1306] But that's so evolved to be 16 and on a show and to be like, I guess I'll go with this.

[1307] Yeah, to play that role.

[1308] Yeah.

[1309] That's what I'm saying is I would have been defensive when the guy treated me that way and I would have been telling them about my ABC show.

[1310] This is the exact point I'm making is you somehow seem to have had this crazy North Star even from.

[1311] being young.

[1312] It is really impressive.

[1313] Oh, thanks.

[1314] Yeah, very few people can inhabit the shoes of the Cheching guy with such a plumb and grace.

[1315] I would like to be able to do this for the rest of my life and I've seen what it takes, you know?

[1316] Last thing I think is really one of the best stories you ever told me is that you went to the MTV movie awards one time.

[1317] By the way, please feel free to bring up any humiliating story about me. But again, it's one of my favorite parts of your personality is that you embrace all of your comedic you try things at different points but you went one time to the MTV movie awards and you wore a tuxedo shirt.

[1318] Am I remembering that?

[1319] There's two different things that I did because I was trying because you know they they were like be funny this thing but one of the times I got to go to the MTV Awards I was like it's a rock and roll thing I've seen people wear rock and roll shit I wore some leather pants leather pants to the MTV Awards and I saw the pictures of me with the leather pants and I was like how can you even there's no playbook it's so hard and you're young what are you gonna do and then the other time Q -tip and I'm so excited I'm on stage with fucking Q -tip yeah and they pitch this bit tribe called quest yeah so they pitch this bit where I've got like a full prosthetic like sexy bouncy boobs okay and uh we're introducing like Jason the Rulio or somebody or I can't remember who was somebody with abs who's like whole thing was him with no shirt on in video yeah uh and so they're like they wanted me and tip to be like oh this guy he's so ripped well i'm not afraid to take my shirt off and then in the copy it's we both take our shorts off right away tip is like i'm not like my fucking shirt on man yeah and i said i'll do it but it would be funny if i've got like photo real boobs and then this is a joke and not just me taking my shirt off which i'm not interested in doing on stage so they went down to venice beach and Lickety Splic got me one of those illusion shirts that looks like a bikini top.

[1320] And so I've got that on.

[1321] And on stage, I like did this bit, this quick change, pulled this top off.

[1322] And it just bombed.

[1323] It just like didn't back a little.

[1324] And I was like trying to be funny instead of just introducing whoever it was.

[1325] The stakes are high.

[1326] DeAngelo.

[1327] That's who it was.

[1328] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1329] He did have an incredible body.

[1330] But particularly when you say his name immediately, he had arrows.

[1331] He had the most pronounced arrows, I think I had seen up until that point.

[1332] Yeah, he only drinks water and then runs wind sprints a hundred times a day.

[1333] Yeah, and it pays off.

[1334] Well, Seth, thank you for coming and being so honest and open and self -deprecating and lovely.

[1335] Dax, I'll tell you, that's one of my favorite things about you.

[1336] And I think the reason we've been friends so long is that you have been exceedingly, often painfully honest.

[1337] I'm an overshare.

[1338] No, not really.

[1339] It's more like you're very willing to, um, make certain that all humans are experiencing similar things.

[1340] And that's incredibly compassionate.

[1341] Thank you.

[1342] You know, I kind of have the opinion.

[1343] I think this comes from being in AA for so long, is that I've heard people share triumphs a lot, and I've heard people share failures a lot.

[1344] And I have always learned a lot more from people's failures than their triumphs.

[1345] I can't relate to what's his ass winning the Tour to France seven times in a row.

[1346] I have no relation to that.

[1347] But the fact that he lied and lived with a lie and perpetuated a lie, I can relate to that.

[1348] Right.

[1349] That, you know what I'm saying?

[1350] And now I'm deeply interested in that guy.

[1351] And now I actually feel like I have something to learn from him.

[1352] How does he navigate that?

[1353] That's appealing to me. And so.

[1354] I think that's why we both love Jay Z so much.

[1355] Yeah.

[1356] He's probably our number one, right?

[1357] And if you've ever seen that documentary, I think it was called Fade to Black.

[1358] And to Watch how that motherfucker write songs, it is, I've never seen anything like it.

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] He listens to a fucking track like for 20 minutes and then walks into the booth and says those rhymes that are so intricate.

[1361] Yeah.

[1362] The references are so deep.

[1363] God damn.

[1364] I tell you I sat next to him at the, um, do you know the Met Ball?

[1365] Do you know that thing?

[1366] Oh, sure.

[1367] Okay.

[1368] So Kristen always gets invited.

[1369] I don't ever get invited.

[1370] But three years in a row, she got invited.

[1371] I said, I don't want to go to that.

[1372] I don't want to wear a tuxedo.

[1373] And then the fourth year she said, I think you're going to want to go this year.

[1374] Because let me tell you who's at our table, Beyonce and Jay Z. I'm like, I'm, I'm.

[1375] fucking there.

[1376] The whole three weeks leading up to it, I am whipping up this fantasy.

[1377] I'm going to blow his mind.

[1378] He's going to like me so much.

[1379] I'm going to be, I'm going to, there isn't a chance in hell that he and I aren't going to be like he and Chris Martin.

[1380] We're going to be thick as thieves.

[1381] Go to this, go to this dinner.

[1382] Kanye West is also at her table, as is Sasha Baron Cohen.

[1383] I'm ignoring those guys because I'm so hyper -focused on Jay -Z.

[1384] Jay -Z, I gave my A -game to for 25 minutes.

[1385] I promise you, Seth, if we had both gone to the bathroom at the same time, bumped into each other at the sink, he wouldn't know he was sitting next to me. It was an absolute strikeout.

[1386] Couldn't, I've had never had less of an impact in another human being.

[1387] There was a point.

[1388] I know a friend of mine is one of the partners in Southern Hospitality, that restaurant that Justin Timberlake opened in New York.

[1389] And I got invited to the opening night and I went there and I was obviously there way too early.

[1390] Because I was there early enough to get like whatever food.

[1391] I wanted it.

[1392] And I saw Jay come in, the door.

[1393] And I, it's a small place.

[1394] So he walked from the front to the back where I was sitting.

[1395] And I was like, oh my God, is this going to be the moment when I get to meet him and like say something cool?

[1396] And I like, I like made myself really like presentable.

[1397] Just recognize like, oh, this is that to my hat off or whatever.

[1398] Put on an Austin Powers T -shirt.

[1399] He never took a sunglasses off.

[1400] He walked directly.

[1401] the back of the place, you know, all but did a spin on one foot and then walked straight the fuck out.

[1402] Like literally checked to see if Justin was there.

[1403] Justin was not and he's split.

[1404] And so that's the closest I've gotten to talking to the only thing.

[1405] Didn't you feel a little bit better though that you guys both had arrived too early?

[1406] I did.

[1407] You go like, oh, this is, that's not too bad.

[1408] The difference was he left and never came back.

[1409] And you stayed until they're close.

[1410] I was like, oh, Justin, congratulations, man. The only end that I had.

[1411] have is that Beyonce was in the Third Austin Powers.

[1412] And so I spent like five weeks with her.

[1413] And she is incredibly approachable and super lovely and nice.

[1414] And she actually was talking to me a bunch.

[1415] And legit one of the most talented people have ever.

[1416] Oh my God.

[1417] Like so on a tornado on stage.

[1418] I got to say my favorite performance I've ever seen on TV was when she was on American Idol an episode and she sang one plus one.

[1419] And I fucking had goosebumps from the second.

[1420] And I was like the power of this human being.

[1421] is immeasurable.

[1422] It's crazy what she can do.

[1423] That's it.

[1424] That's always an interesting thing.

[1425] You know, shows like that really pit you as the audience on the side of cheering for people even if they're not exceptional.

[1426] Uh -huh.

[1427] Yeah.

[1428] And when you see someone like Beyonce perform, it sort of reminds you why really talented people stay famous.

[1429] Everybody wants to do this.

[1430] Yeah.

[1431] Not everybody can do it.

[1432] Some people get the chance to do it.

[1433] And then there are some people that are born for it.

[1434] And again, this could, I got to wrap this up because you and I could probably do this for nine hours.

[1435] But you just reminded me, you and I witnessed a moment like this in real life.

[1436] While we were promoting without a paddle, they sent us to Las Vegas for this thing called Show West, where they invite all the guys who own movie theaters.

[1437] And then there's about 3 ,000 people in this room.

[1438] And you sit up on this stage, there's all these tables.

[1439] And everyone that's in a Paramount movie that year is there.

[1440] So Seth, Matt and I are on this stage with Jim Carrey.

[1441] No, Matt wasn't there.

[1442] It was you, me, and Bert.

[1443] Oh, you're right.

[1444] You're right.

[1445] You're right.

[1446] Right.

[1447] But Jim Carries there.

[1448] Merrill Streets there.

[1449] It was Sky Commander.

[1450] It was a Sky Captain, Manchurian candidate, mean girls.

[1451] Yeah, Tina Faye's up there.

[1452] We're definitely the least significant people on this stage, right?

[1453] We also got to be silly.

[1454] We're there with a legit luminary.

[1455] Yes, we're there with Burr -Rennels, which was great.

[1456] And we kind of set him up lovely.

[1457] So we did okay.

[1458] But in general, I will say the audience, it was probably Dave.

[1459] of this show West thing.

[1460] So they were done, right?

[1461] It was one of the worst audiences I've ever addressed.

[1462] You said Angelina Jolie was going to be here.

[1463] So they were not laughing at a fucking thing, right?

[1464] And people are making jokes and no one's really landing anything.

[1465] And Jim Carrey starts talking.

[1466] And he makes about 10 jokes that fall completely flat.

[1467] And Seth and I are both like, oh, wow, it's not just us.

[1468] Look, this is an impossible room.

[1469] And then he stands up on the table, turns around, bends between his legs, start screaming in the microphone, you will love me. You will.

[1470] And he basically summons the fucking lightning from the sky and said, fuck you guys, I am more powerful than you.

[1471] And he got 3 ,000 people to do a 180 and they were cheering and screaming and laughing.

[1472] And we were both like, oh my God, Zeus just came into the room.

[1473] This guy has more human power than most humans ever to live.

[1474] It was really something to witness, wasn't it?

[1475] And it wasn't even particularly funny.

[1476] It was like the Robin Williams thing where it's just like he said, fuck that.

[1477] You're joining my train right now.

[1478] That's that.

[1479] And it worked.

[1480] It is crazy.

[1481] You can't resist me. Yeah.

[1482] No. I got more power.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] It was pretty awesome.

[1485] Yeah.

[1486] I love you.

[1487] I love you back.

[1488] Thank you, Seth.

[1489] Okay.

[1490] Come back again.

[1491] Okay.

[1492] All right.

[1493] We got more stories.

[1494] I think we only got about like 5 % of our stories out.

[1495] Your kids are old enough to go down the slide by themselves.

[1496] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[1497] All right, all right, bye, bye.

[1498] Stay tuned if you'd like to hear my good friend and producer, Monica Padman, point out the many errors in the podcast you just heard.

[1499] Hi, welcome to the Seth Green fact check follow -up with my lovely friend, Monica Padman.

[1500] Hi.

[1501] How'd it go?

[1502] Pretty good.

[1503] There was not that much.

[1504] Yeah, it was mostly personal stuff, right?

[1505] Yeah, I got a little nervous.

[1506] I wasn't going to be any.

[1507] Sure.

[1508] But there's always some.

[1509] There's always something.

[1510] Yeah.

[1511] In Seth's punked story, you guys are talking about when you punked him, Ashton kept saying he was going to stake Seth.

[1512] Uh -huh.

[1513] And he didn't know what that meant.

[1514] Oh, uh -huh.

[1515] And I found out.

[1516] I mean, I think it's kind of obvious, but I'll go ahead and say.

[1517] I spoke to a professional poker player.

[1518] You did?

[1519] Mm -hmm.

[1520] You cold called one or you haven't to be friends with one?

[1521] I happen to be friends with one.

[1522] Oh.

[1523] That's a weird secret you've been keeping.

[1524] I believe I've told you that before.

[1525] In the last four years, you don't have mentioned.

[1526] Staking and gambling is when someone agrees to pay for the other person's buy -ins and in return splits winnings with an agreed -upon percentage.

[1527] Which all makes sense now.

[1528] Yeah.

[1529] But not to Seth in the moment, in an already confusing moment.

[1530] Sure.

[1531] Yeah, with bad lighting.

[1532] Not conducive to hooking up and dancing.

[1533] And people flying through the window.

[1534] So then you were talking about Bart. the bear on your movie without a paddle.

[1535] And you said he's 1 ,400 pounds and he's actually 1 ,779 pounds.

[1536] Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to hear you say that because soon as you said 1 ,400 pounds, I'm like, she's going to say he was 800 pounds, like half as much as he is in my memory.

[1537] That's great.

[1538] Yeah, he's actually bigger.

[1539] I'm going to add another fact that you won't be able to substantiate, but the grizzly bear is considered the biggest bear.

[1540] And that is based on mass. So it's the heaviest bear.

[1541] But the polar bear is taller.

[1542] And I do believe they have shot polar bears that are over 10 feet tall.

[1543] Really?

[1544] Yeah.

[1545] Why?

[1546] Why did they shoot them or why are they over 10 feet tall?

[1547] Why did they shoot them just because they're really tall?

[1548] Well, because people are assholes and they used to, well, no, they killed specifically because it was inordinately tall.

[1549] They didn't like how tall he was?

[1550] I just remember, you know, if you've ever been.

[1551] in one of these bass pro shops.

[1552] They're all over America.

[1553] They're very fun to go into.

[1554] Have you met into one?

[1555] I'm sure I have.

[1556] Like there's a lake inside, right?

[1557] Like an aquarium lake and there's bass and all this stuff you'd find in a rural lake.

[1558] And then in the bathrooms, they have all kinds of weird pictures of trophy hunters in the records.

[1559] I was at a urinal in one and there was a photograph of a boar in Russia that was 1 ,800 pounds.

[1560] I had no idea they got that big.

[1561] And then I think there's also, you know, there's like statues of the polar bears, the big ones that they've shot or photographs.

[1562] At any rate, somehow I know that they're over 10 feet tall, that they're taller than grizzlies, but not as heavy.

[1563] So you said that the sweets that they put you up at the four seasons in Toronto for 2000s.

[1564] Oh, that's a huge exaggeration.

[1565] I can already feel.

[1566] Well, so I called.

[1567] Oh, wow.

[1568] I called the four seasons.

[1569] You really turn over all the rocks.

[1570] Yeah, I'm a good student.

[1571] I called and so the largest rooms at the Four Seasons Toronto are 3 ,800 square feet.

[1572] Oh my goodness.

[1573] There's a pattern emerging.

[1574] I know, but I don't know that you're in the largest room in the four seasons.

[1575] I don't know.

[1576] We also don't even know if the hotel is the same configuration as it did in 2004.

[1577] Right?

[1578] I didn't ask that now.

[1579] 14 years ago they may have, but that's amazing.

[1580] 3 ,800 square feet.

[1581] That is a very well -appointed home.

[1582] Yeah, that's a large living space.

[1583] Yes, that's a McMansion.

[1584] And it's presumably just one floor.

[1585] There's no way it's two floors.

[1586] It could be.

[1587] It could have stairs.

[1588] Let's hope.

[1589] I once went to a hotel room that had like a, you know, budget in or whatever.

[1590] That, you know that?

[1591] That's a rental car chain.

[1592] No, that's, yep.

[1593] That's not budget in.

[1594] No, no. There probably is a budget in.

[1595] I think there is.

[1596] And I think I went to one and I think it had two stories.

[1597] This can't possibly be true.

[1598] I'm pretty sure.

[1599] A budget end has a two story room for 39 bucks a night.

[1600] With my dad.

[1601] Okay.

[1602] So Seth joked that he has the standing heart rate of a hummingbird.

[1603] And the average.

[1604] Lest anyone be concerned.

[1605] Right.

[1606] I don't, you know, he was joking.

[1607] It was clear.

[1608] But I just wanted to, you know, give some facts on that.

[1609] The average heart rate of a hummingbird during flight is 1 ,200 beats per minute.

[1610] Holy smokes.

[1611] When resting heart rate reaches 250 beats per minute.

[1612] And an average human resting heart rate is 60 to 100 beats per minute.

[1613] I forget the number, but you remember when you and I were listening to the Sam Harris episode on scaling, and they said, with the exception of humans, there is a pretty consistent amount of lifetime heartbeat.

[1614] across the spectrum of mammals or animals.

[1615] So if there's a limited amount of heartbeats, the last thing I'd want is a 1 ,200 beats per minute heart rate.

[1616] Yeah, you're wasting.

[1617] You're just boogieing through time.

[1618] Right.

[1619] Was that Sam Harris or radio app?

[1620] It was Sam Harris.

[1621] It was the guy on scaling.

[1622] Remember how he had modeled every animal and he found that you can scale up from the smallest insect up to humans and then onwards to cities.

[1623] that the pattern still emerges.

[1624] I remember you were telling me about it.

[1625] I don't think I listened to that one.

[1626] And for some reason in my head, it's radio lap.

[1627] But I don't know.

[1628] Okay.

[1629] And then you said that the Italian job was a $100 million movie.

[1630] Mm -hmm.

[1631] And the Italian job cost $60 million to make and it earned $176 .1 million.

[1632] Worldwide.

[1633] Yeah.

[1634] Yeah.

[1635] So what's interesting about the Italian job is that on its first domestic run, it didn't make it to $100.

[1636] it was just shy of 100 and then they weirdly which they never do they re -released it like six months later for a couple weekends and then it crossed a hundred million domestically oh interesting isn't that weird yeah you mentioned a podcast that we both listened to where the guest says it's easier to act your way into changing your thinking than think your way into changing your actions and i just wanted to say that that is from the sam harris podcast as predicted in it's episode 1 called The Change Artist.

[1637] The guest on that episode is A .J. Jacobs.

[1638] You said a lot of stuff about him that was kind of wrong.

[1639] Sure.

[1640] Kind of right.

[1641] Kind of wrong.

[1642] He's a writer and journalist.

[1643] I don't know why I agree to do this.

[1644] It's good.

[1645] You need to...

[1646] Especially the way I talk.

[1647] It's very irresponsible.

[1648] He's the author of several New York Times bestsellers, editor at large for Esquire magazine.

[1649] And he contributes to NPR.

[1650] and has written for the New York Times and Washington Post and other journals.

[1651] And so when he lived biblically, which he did, it was for a year.

[1652] Oh, just a year.

[1653] I think I said two years.

[1654] You said three.

[1655] Okay.

[1656] Three hundred percent off.

[1657] That sounds bad.

[1658] That's pretty close.

[1659] And the other experiment that you referenced when he got really healthy, which he did do that, that was supposed to take a year, but it took him two years because he was so out of shape.

[1660] Oh, it took him a year just to get to back.

[1661] I guess so.

[1662] And he did a lot.

[1663] It's an interesting podcast.

[1664] He did a lot of stuff.

[1665] It's worth checking out.

[1666] So you guys were both trying to remember a book about psychedelics by Terrence McKenna.

[1667] Yeah.

[1668] Oh yeah.

[1669] What's that called?

[1670] Okay.

[1671] So he wrote a lot of books.

[1672] So I'm not really sure which one you guys are referring to.

[1673] But is it psilocybin?

[1674] The mushroom growers guide.

[1675] No. Is it Food of the Gods, the search for the original tree of knowledge?

[1676] No. Oh, boy.

[1677] Okay.

[1678] Is it true.

[1679] hallucinations.

[1680] These are all very intoxicating titles, figuratively and literally.

[1681] The Archaic Revival.

[1682] Ooh, that feels like is the book I had.

[1683] Or Sacred Mushrooms.

[1684] No, I think it was Archaic Revival.

[1685] Okay.

[1686] Well, he was written a lot of books.

[1687] Yeah.

[1688] He's really dedicated himself to the psilocybin mushroom.

[1689] Yeah.

[1690] There is a great vice has a, I don't actually know where this lives.

[1691] I saw it on an airplane on a Vice channel.

[1692] they have their own channel but one of their programs is called like pharmacology or something like that and they's in the host of the show is is more lab nerd than he is like um fish or deadhead person right but he likes drugs and he he goes and investigates and he went down to Mexico in search of psilocybin and then there's three different ones down there and he yeah turns the corny find someone to take him up this hill and then they enter this barn and there's just hundreds of thousands of these psilocybs and they're fucking huge some of them are gigantic and as a kid when I did mushrooms you know they're a teeny oh really yeah and I just looked at some of these were like the size of a small pizza and I thought oh buckle up motherfucker you know I've never done any of these drugs right so and I keep trying to get you to do them yeah yeah you peer pressure me but yeah I'm stone well first of all I take that as a compliment because you're 30 and I'm 43 so just by you calling me your peer.

[1693] I appreciate it.

[1694] Yeah.

[1695] I didn't really mean it that way, but you can take it that way.

[1696] Do you eat the whole mushroom?

[1697] And does it look like a normal mushroom?

[1698] No. Well, you know, I've never eaten the kind that you eat fresh that grow off of cow shit, which he then goes to Florida, by the way, and gathers those.

[1699] I've eaten the ones that are freeze dried and they're, you know, they're all wrinkled up and freeze dried.

[1700] And they're very colorful.

[1701] Like the stems have like cobalt blue in them they're beautiful yeah and you eat the stems and the caps they're usually all broken up in the bag because they've been freeze dried and uh if you want you can make a tea out of them you can put some stems and caps in a hot mug of water and then when you do it that way it hits you very quickly much much faster than when you eat them usually when you eat them it's as i recall it's it's like 40 minutes before it has been uh absorbed in your stomach do you think the blue area is the most potent?

[1702] I mean, I think that without any proof, it does seem like that.

[1703] That is the psilocybin, but I don't really know why that part is blue.

[1704] They might not even be blue before they're freeze -dried.

[1705] I don't know.

[1706] But they were pretty crazy looking in Mexico where he found them.

[1707] Cool.

[1708] Yeah.

[1709] It's a neat episode.

[1710] I recommend it.

[1711] Lastly, you were talking about how you relate to human stories and how you've learned from people's failures.

[1712] more than their triumphs.

[1713] And then in doing so, you refer to, quote, what's his ass, winning the Tour de France.

[1714] And, you know, I think we all know it's Lance Armstrong, but I just wanted to clear that up.

[1715] Thank you.

[1716] Just in case.

[1717] Yeah.

[1718] Although liability -wise, it was probably smarter to just keep it, you know.

[1719] No, he did win the Tour de France.

[1720] Oh, that's true.

[1721] But then I go on to say he cheated, right?

[1722] Whatever, it's all out there.

[1723] Before he ever admitted to it.

[1724] And I had friends who were big fans of his.

[1725] in the way they would passionately explain to me that he was not doping.

[1726] He's been he's been checked every time.

[1727] Just ignoring the fact that there's no way a human can win that race seven times.

[1728] It's the confirmation bias thing.

[1729] It's like you can ignore the most obvious fucking thing.

[1730] Like no one's going to win that race seven times in a row.

[1731] It's so grueling.

[1732] I guess so.

[1733] But people want to believe.

[1734] Yeah, they do.

[1735] In spite.

[1736] of very on the surface logic, you know?

[1737] That's just, that's a, that's a superhero level accomplishment, seven tour to France.

[1738] Well, thank you, Monica.

[1739] I enjoyed that.

[1740] Did you enjoy listening to Seth Green?

[1741] Yeah.

[1742] Isn't he the sweetest motherfucker?

[1743] Yeah, yeah.

[1744] All right, good night.

[1745] Bye night.

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