Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 6: Stay Sixy

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[11] And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

[12] This is the series where we re -listened to our favorite moments from our oldest episodes, exposing our flaws and reflecting on how we got here.

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[14] And we're also sharing important case updates and getting you a little bit more context as to where we were, who we were.

[15] what was happening in our lives and your lives.

[16] The mindset.

[17] Yeah.

[18] The cats that were in the apartment.

[19] There was a lot of them.

[20] Yeah.

[21] Eight, nine.

[22] So today we're going back to episode six, which was released on Tuesday, February 23rd, 2016.

[23] So get your pen pal and the milk delivery person and your local barista, because now we can all be day one listeners together.

[24] together.

[25] So the equity in calling it a milk delivery person.

[26] Right?

[27] Yeah, very.

[28] See, that's 2024.

[29] Yeah, 2016 would have been milkman.

[30] It would have been milkman and no, you cannot become a milkman little girl.

[31] Right.

[32] Yeah.

[33] Yeah.

[34] There's no, there's no milkman Barbie.

[35] So, like, how do I know if I can become a milk delivery person when I grow up?

[36] The funniest thing is I don't think milkman exist anymore.

[37] I don't think so either.

[38] I bet I've been in some small, last town.

[39] Yeah, maybe a town with a dairy.

[40] My house is so old that it has a little milk door, milk delivery door on it.

[41] And you open it and there's like a little like, what's it called?

[42] There's like a dial and you can move the dial to like how much milk you need.

[43] It's like one gallon, two gallons, three and then it's like also eggs.

[44] Like a dozen eggs, doesn't it?

[45] It's like, it on the cream, heavy cream.

[46] Yeah, you can point to all of them.

[47] So when the milk delivery person gets there, they just open the door, see what you want to put your order.

[48] in your little milk delivery door.

[49] That's incredible.

[50] I know.

[51] Our next -door neighbors growing up used to get their milk delivered.

[52] Yeah, on the farm.

[53] And they had a, yeah, I think they just wanted the freshest milk possible.

[54] And they had like a, they just had a little metal kind of can on their porch.

[55] So it went through at least until the 80s.

[56] Yeah.

[57] But now it's just the milkman is a door -dasher.

[58] That's right.

[59] Right?

[60] Yeah.

[61] Because deep down, everybody wants some.

[62] a milk delivery person.

[63] That's right.

[64] And all this and more.

[65] I bet we talked shit like this in 2016.

[66] Oh my God.

[67] Let's go all the way back to February 23rd, 2016.

[68] So hi.

[69] Hi, Karen.

[70] It's time once again to talk about murder.

[71] Murder.

[72] Murder.

[73] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[74] Hi, welcome.

[75] That was Georgia.

[76] That's Karen.

[77] And we are here.

[78] here to talk to you about the thing that you want to talk about the most, because we do too.

[79] Murder that your friends don't want to talk about.

[80] You know what?

[81] Some people are fear -based, and that's fine.

[82] That's the way they live.

[83] They want to put their hands over their eyes and pretend like it's reality isn't happening.

[84] But not us, friends.

[85] No, some of us want to just like jump into the pool of terror.

[86] Yeah.

[87] So there's an old saying, you have to go into the mouth of the ghost.

[88] Ooh.

[89] That's what we do here.

[90] We are the ghost mouths.

[91] Weird adventures into ghost mouths.

[92] So suck it.

[93] Hey, did you see that the house from the first season of American Horror Story, The Haunted House, you can now Airbnb that house?

[94] Can we record an episode from there?

[95] Like, oh my God, that's been amazing, that's the brick thing that has like the turrets and stuff?

[96] It's like a, oh, it's like a gothic.

[97] Yeah.

[98] Like arts and crafts gothic.

[99] where the guy from the law show lived and like they had the maid and stuff?

[100] Yes, yes.

[101] Okay.

[102] That, I liked that first season a lot.

[103] I did choose spending the night there.

[104] Middle of the night, lights off, quiet.

[105] We'll do some ghosts hunting.

[106] Ghost stuff?

[107] Ghosty stuff.

[108] Was there a murder taking place in there at all?

[109] Aside from the TV show?

[110] I know, no. Just, but it is a creepy old house.

[111] Yeah.

[112] I'm into that.

[113] I mean, maybe the.

[114] murder hasn't been found yet.

[115] We'll dig up the yard.

[116] Maybe it'll happen that night.

[117] Somewhere nearby.

[118] Like in the house.

[119] Dig up the yard.

[120] Yeah.

[121] Just start digging for bones.

[122] We're looking for burns.

[123] We haven't talked about my new favorite show, the OJ Simpson show.

[124] Love it.

[125] That was called.

[126] The People versus OJ Simpson.

[127] Thank you.

[128] You're welcome.

[129] It is also one of my favorite shows.

[130] David Schwimmer.

[131] Oh, Schwinn.

[132] Stop it.

[133] You're breaking my heart.

[134] Stop it.

[135] What about when they were in Chin Chin.

[136] The Kardashian family went to Chin Chin.

[137] That is so L .A. if you don't live here.

[138] Chin Chin Chin is a terrible Chinese chain or delicious, depending on who you are.

[139] I haven't heard of it since the 90s.

[140] It is so 90s.

[141] Like, it's where we used to go when I moved here in 1994.

[142] Really?

[143] All the time.

[144] Oh, my God.

[145] That was like the place everyone wanted to go.

[146] It was like the Ivy.

[147] Yeah, but like cheap and in the valley.

[148] Yeah.

[149] And the idea that they were like, we cut the line and tension is, oh my God.

[150] I'm like, this is where we want to go, because this is where, like, I went to bat mitzvahs of these kind of girls where it's like, we got a chin.

[151] I went to camp.

[152] I went to camp with the Fonzess's daughter.

[153] Oh.

[154] And so they probably went to chinch it a lot.

[155] I bet.

[156] Because they eat that Chinese chicken salad.

[157] Back then, everybody thought it was diet.

[158] That's how the 90s were.

[159] It's good.

[160] That show is great.

[161] I love that it's going off the premise that he totally did it.

[162] Well, yeah.

[163] Because he did.

[164] I know.

[165] Is the thing.

[166] He absolutely fucking lily did.

[167] He really, really.

[168] did because that's the thing is as we discuss and find in all of these stories that we tell in cases that we talk about things happen for a for a reason and be the people that do them have histories of doing things oh yeah and it's never it's so strange that still the legal system treats these things like it's out of the blue where it's like yes if a man consistently beats the shit out of his wife that will escalate that things escalate yep well you know what i think is really interesting is that instead of looking into the history and why and what happened exactly and what's the most obvious answer, the answer is then to give them a defense attorney to argue a fucking fantasy or like a fucking daydream that they somehow didn't do it.

[169] And here is why maybe it didn't happen, you know, or this way or that.

[170] It's like.

[171] Or just those huge distractions of like basically they were putting the LAPD on trial.

[172] Right.

[173] which they deserved because the Rodney King riots had just, you know, the Rodney King beating had just happened.

[174] But that's like so not even close to the same thing, you know.

[175] But but the argument of a black man can't get a fair trial or like, you know, that the system is against black people and black men specifically was so true and had never been really broached before.

[176] And I remember white people being like, that's crazy.

[177] Yeah.

[178] That's such a bunch of crap.

[179] And it's like, how would you know?

[180] Dude, okay, Rodney King's trial took place in Seamy Valley with zero black people on the jury.

[181] Yeah.

[182] I think it was even all men.

[183] I mean, it was one woman.

[184] Ridiculous.

[185] No, it's bad.

[186] Seamy Valley, which is like the whitest fucking place in Los Angeles, with zero black people on the jury.

[187] Yeah.

[188] Anyways.

[189] No, yeah, not a jury of his peers.

[190] No. Just crooked and bad all around.

[191] So there is a kind of like, it was a get back in a way.

[192] Yeah, it's funny to watch it.

[193] Like, that's right when I moved here.

[194] All that stuff happening.

[195] Like, we're living through it.

[196] I remember being in, I think it was Golden Apple Comics, and they were like, OJ's running.

[197] The Bronco is on the highway and running up to our friend Laura's house.

[198] And everybody just gathering there and watching it on TV.

[199] Well, I just remember when the, I remember when the verdict was about to be read, it was like, okay, everyone knows he's guilty.

[200] He should be convicted.

[201] nobody wants another riot and that's we it was so traumatizing the first riot that it was like it wasn't worth it to see him be convicted because that was fucking scary and no one wanted to go through that again right so it was almost it would have happened yeah and it was almost a relief when he when it was not guilty because it was like okay you know what black people deserve this after what we've fucking put them through here in los angeles yeah well it's it you know It's just weird, though, because when you watch it, it's such a fascinating thing.

[202] Like, watching them, Marsha Clark and her whole team acting like it's a slam dunk case when you know what's really going to happen.

[203] Marsha Clark, what's her character from American Horror Story?

[204] She's incredible.

[205] Oh, Sarah Paulson.

[206] Yeah.

[207] But her hair is so distracted.

[208] I just, all I can do is think about how long it took to curl every piece of that.

[209] Oh, that had to be a perm.

[210] Was that a perm or was she like, you absolutely can't perm me?

[211] Or is it, it must have been a wig.

[212] No one, no one lets anybody perm.

[213] their hair anymore.

[214] Yeah.

[215] Do they?

[216] No. I don't know.

[217] The sad thing, of course, is the murder victims that just didn't get any recognition.

[218] No. No, it was not about them at all.

[219] No. I just can never forget, but I never forgot the quote that, like, Nicole was almost decapitated.

[220] That's how deep.

[221] It wasn't he slit her throat.

[222] She was almost decapitated.

[223] He was, like, going berserk.

[224] Yeah.

[225] He cut into, oh, God.

[226] It's crazy.

[227] It's so crazy.

[228] And, like, that idea of how they started the whole thing with the dog with bloody feet walking up, like the guy finding a dog.

[229] It's a good show.

[230] It's very good.

[231] And then also insanely cheesy.

[232] Yeah.

[233] It's so enjoyable.

[234] Like, John Travolta, God bless him.

[235] She is killing it.

[236] She's my face.

[237] Do you think he was really like that?

[238] Robert Shapiro?

[239] But he didn't have blue eyes.

[240] You know that.

[241] Right.

[242] It's really corny.

[243] There's so many corny things.

[244] Every single line that Marsha Clark says is like cut to commercial.

[245] Like she can't say a line without it cutting to commercial.

[246] But the best was at the end of the last episode.

[247] Oh, spoiler alert when she sees.

[248] She just goes, motherfucker.

[249] Yeah, I think that's the first motherfucker on TV, right?

[250] I think so.

[251] Because it's FX, right?

[252] So they're a little edgy.

[253] When she says a motherfucker.

[254] She says that about Johnny Cochran.

[255] He joined the team.

[256] And he's, oh, his story's right too.

[257] Oh, it's, and everyone is.

[258] Yeah, but I really just want to hug David Schwimmer.

[259] Yeah, because he's such a, he's, who knew that, was it Robert Kardashian?

[260] Yeah.

[261] Who knew he was such a great guy?

[262] Who knew he was a great guy that would spawn the literal devils, like the downfall.

[263] All those discussions where they're like, you can't, it's not about fame.

[264] You have to have a good heart.

[265] Well, I keep thinking about his, are his kids watching him being like, fuck my dad.

[266] I miss my dad.

[267] Probably.

[268] What's sad.

[269] It is sad.

[270] He died, like, not too long after that, which is so sad.

[271] I'm sure.

[272] Can you imagine how stressful it would have been to be that guy in that situation?

[273] That guy knows his friend is guilty and has to defend him.

[274] He also had to use the phrase Uncle Juice a lot, which I think may have been the thing that killed him.

[275] Yeah, that would be hard.

[276] Uncle Juice.

[277] He's not their real uncle.

[278] Oh, Chris Jenner, killing it.

[279] Oh, Selma Blair.

[280] God bless.

[281] Do you think she was like, this is the end of my career, or was she?

[282] stoked about it.

[283] Stoked.

[284] Yeah, because you see all those other people on that cast.

[285] That's true.

[286] That's true.

[287] I love this.

[288] They're great.

[289] Yeah.

[290] All right.

[291] Oh, we also have to talk about the fact that we're both watching autopsy, but should we save that for?

[292] Yes.

[293] Okay.

[294] And that I actually, somebody recommend, I'm sorry I don't have the name because someone mentioned it to us on the Twitter page.

[295] Oh, yeah.

[296] And it was a man and he said, oh, autopsy was amazing.

[297] I watched all of it.

[298] And I went, autopsy, huh?

[299] And then I looked it up and I'd never seen it.

[300] You had never heard of it or seen it?

[301] I think I may have heard of it, but I'd never seen it.

[302] I had always just figured it, and I think I had watched maybe one, the wrong episode where like he was literally just in an autopsy room cutting into someone and talking and discussing it.

[303] Yeah.

[304] Which I thought the whole thing was like that.

[305] And no, it's like, it's like case stories from his crazy guy, like this crazy coroners passed and how he solved crimes based on the autopsy.

[306] Yeah.

[307] It's fascinating.

[308] And like the most, and also they kind of fold it.

[309] Like, I've watched a couple now the last time.

[310] The last one I was watching was number nine when I texted you.

[311] Because it's other people, they get other corners in there too because they're basically just getting all the craziest stories.

[312] Yeah.

[313] And I won't give that one away.

[314] I'll just let people watch it.

[315] It's so good.

[316] I want to know.

[317] It's what I texted you.

[318] Remember when they opened up a guy?

[319] Yes.

[320] And should I just say it?

[321] There was voodoo dolls inside.

[322] Inside his bodies?

[323] Oh, Karen, I read that as inside of his coffin.

[324] No. Wait a minute.

[325] Are you inside of his body?

[326] They were so.

[327] That's why I was so upset.

[328] I'm going to go.

[329] I'm going to go cry.

[330] I thought you meant like, yeah, they, I thought, because I read it as like, they next to it.

[331] No. Yes.

[332] Phyllow.

[333] Yeah.

[334] That's fucked up.

[335] Okay.

[336] And it turned out the woman that ran the funeral home was practiced voodoo.

[337] You got to see her too.

[338] You got, she is worth the entire episode.

[339] She looks totally normal, right?

[340] she has the best hair I've ever seen and she's a badass and she was basically trying to get rid of all the other funeral homes like all her competitors and do better financially so she made voodoo dolls for all of them and then sewed them up inside this man's course at what point in that whole operation are you like I might be a little crazy yeah this might not be a great idea yeah this could come back yeah what will this look like from the outside just everyone you can be as crazy as you want but act normal.

[341] Yeah, or just try to step out for one second.

[342] I'd be like, if someone discovers this, how crazy will I love?

[343] Totally.

[344] That's good advice.

[345] I think that is too.

[346] So everyone watch Autopsy.

[347] Someone on Twitter suggested, or on our Facebook page, we have a Facebook group, my favorite murder that you can join.

[348] Someone suggested that we just do a live episode or just do an episode of autopsy and just talk about it.

[349] That's a great idea.

[350] They can watch along with us.

[351] A very good idea.

[352] I love it.

[353] Yeah, that's good.

[354] Yeah, you can go on, because it's on, HBO Go or HBO now or whatever.

[355] Apparently there's a lot of episodes on YouTube as well.

[356] Oh, good.

[357] Yeah, there's like, you can find them everywhere.

[358] Love it.

[359] Doing it.

[360] We're going to have all kinds of events.

[361] Yeah, it's also a little dated, which I fucking love when I'm watching true crime shit.

[362] Do you ever go back and watch Forensic Files?

[363] Oh, yeah.

[364] Oh, it's like, it's like 2002, which doesn't seem that long ago.

[365] Please.

[366] It's so long ago.

[367] The blouses tell a different story.

[368] Oh, it's so good.

[369] It's so good.

[370] We never went to Chin Chin.

[371] We never went to Chin.

[372] We We never made that dream a reality.

[373] Is it there?

[374] Was it there?

[375] It still's there.

[376] Damn.

[377] Yeah.

[378] All right.

[379] Ten year anniversary.

[380] Yeah.

[381] We have two years to get ready.

[382] Yeah.

[383] We'll make friends with the Kardashians.

[384] That's step two of my favorite murder is becoming friends.

[385] I mean, I feel like we were visionaries with the shit we were talking about the Kardashians in this episode.

[386] Yeah.

[387] Yeah.

[388] Yeah.

[389] They're not going to be friends with us.

[390] That's fine.

[391] We're going to go to Chin Chin Chin without them.

[392] We don't have any of them.

[393] We can order our own Chinese chicken salad.

[394] And this is the first time we decided to do a themed episode.

[395] So this theme is Children Who Kill.

[396] And that was, I think in the beginning, the themes were kind of made it a little easier to decide what stories to do because there were so many.

[397] Yeah.

[398] And we were out of the realm of what's the one that struck you first and most or whatever.

[399] And then now we were just like, what would be good to tell?

[400] What would be?

[401] How do we do this?

[402] Like, what do we want to tell what seems important to us?

[403] So we dialed in and this is an episode about children who kill their parents.

[404] Karen goes first and tells us the story of Alex and Derek King.

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[425] Goodbye.

[426] I, okay, do you, I feel like I always start with my favorite murder.

[427] So you want me to go first?

[428] Sure, do you want to go first?

[429] I will.

[430] And this is under the guys we were talking about kids that kill, but I don't know if we still did that.

[431] I did.

[432] Oh, good.

[433] So I, we decided that we're now going to have, every episode has a theme or like a, you know, what's the point?

[434] A subject.

[435] Point.

[436] Or, yeah, just, I mean, I guess theme's the right word.

[437] Theme or subject.

[438] Yeah.

[439] So we can kind of like matchy match.

[440] So this was kids.

[441] Were we doing kids that kill their parents?

[442] That's what I did.

[443] Okay, me too.

[444] Okay.

[445] Yay, we did it.

[446] So I did at Alex and Derek King.

[447] Which I don't know about.

[448] So I'm excited to hear this.

[449] Because you sent me a photo and I was like, I'm not looking this out.

[450] Just tell me about it.

[451] So the first time I ever saw these kids on the news, Alex King, at the time I think he was either 12 or 13.

[452] He looked like he was eight years old.

[453] He looked like a baby -faced baby.

[454] Holy shit.

[455] very small boy, and his brother, it was like a year, maybe two years older than him, Derek King, was kind of bigger, like looked like a teenager.

[456] Hold on.

[457] I'm going to get cozy.

[458] Yeah, lay all the way down.

[459] I'm to tell you a story.

[460] So, and I remember seeing it where it was like, you know, kids who kill and whatever, and they'd killed their father.

[461] So the deal was, um, a house was on fire.

[462] Firemen go to put the fire, the house out.

[463] They, they put the fire out and go.

[464] And go.

[465] go in, and then in the other part of the house, it isn't burnt, they find a dead body.

[466] And they know that it's dead from, not from the fire, but they can see that it has head wounds.

[467] And so, um, the next day, uh, Alex and Derek King turned themselves into the sheriff.

[468] Tell me their age again?

[469] 12 and 13.

[470] Holy shit.

[471] Babies.

[472] And you got to see the picture.

[473] The one mug shot of Alex King, he's just got zits all over his forehead.

[474] He just is like, it's a child.

[475] child.

[476] It's like sixth grade, seventh grade.

[477] Yeah.

[478] And so they turned themselves in and they say that they had run away from home because their dad was too strict to their dad's friend, Ricky Chavez's house.

[479] And they stayed there for a week.

[480] And they knew that he was going to, they knew they were going to get punished when they went back home.

[481] So they decided to kill him to avoid being punished.

[482] Because they're children.

[483] Because they're children.

[484] And also they ran away because their dad um so what it happened it's a very sad story of course but it's like the mother and father have Alex and Derek Alex and then she has twins and then she leaves all four boys leaves the husband and just bales i will never be able to wrap my head around moms who just later and dad's too but you know well i and in this story particularly there's a lot of uh things i wish i knew more about.

[485] And I read every single article on Google when I put their names in.

[486] It just went down until I got to there was an article on the Nambla website which is the National Association from Man Boy Love or whatever.

[487] That's a thing you can click on.

[488] You can click on it.

[489] I didn't realize until after I clicked and read the story and at the end it was like a person that was trying to rationalize or I was like, oh my God, where have I gone?

[490] Because I just kept on reading stories.

[491] I've never come across that in all my weird.

[492] It was like the 10th article.

[493] And you can click on it.

[494] Do you think that the government is tracking you now?

[495] A hundred percent.

[496] And they should be.

[497] But it was, the only the defense I have is that it was just the next article down.

[498] Like I wasn't checking it.

[499] Did it say anything different or anything inflammatory?

[500] Well, so it told this part of the story.

[501] It is inflammatory, but it's that creepy creepy thing of so they ran to Ricky Chavez's house.

[502] And the reason they'd like to go there is because he let them smoke pot and play video games and pervert, he was molesting Alex.

[503] And he had convinced Alex that they were in love.

[504] This guy was 39.

[505] 39.

[506] That they were in love and that Alex was gay.

[507] And that, and so this, herein starts the soap opera of this story because.

[508] Jesus, I was not expecting that angle.

[509] Yeah.

[510] It's rough.

[511] So the Nambla article, of course, is like, people don't understand these relationships or whatever.

[512] I was like, wait, what?

[513] Hold, Hold on.

[514] Yeah, it's creepy.

[515] But, so that guy drove them to the sheriff's department to turn themselves in.

[516] But then they got him and they were like, so what exactly are you doing here?

[517] And then it turns out, so he gets held for like aiding and abetting essentially, you know, like keeping him.

[518] Did he have anything?

[519] Okay.

[520] But he knew that they had killed his dad when they were staying there.

[521] Okay.

[522] So the two, those two young boys confess and they have their confessions taped and they're very detailed about it.

[523] Did you watch them?

[524] Can you watch them?

[525] You can't probably, huh?

[526] No, it's tape recorder.

[527] Oh, got it.

[528] From what I understand.

[529] But then, a little while later, they recant, like a couple months later, and I think that's probably when they got lawyers and when the lawyers, like, put everything out and we're like, hold on a second.

[530] You were, you ran to the molester's house to hang out the day after you killed your father, what's really going on here.

[531] And then they came back and said that we were, we were trying to cover for Ricky.

[532] It turned out he killed.

[533] our father.

[534] And this whole thing was his idea.

[535] Bull shit.

[536] And that is where it all started.

[537] And I remember when I saw that news story, it was like, he was they were basically presented as like these evil children.

[538] Like you immediately believed that they that you, it was such a bias.

[539] It was such a weird bias.

[540] They were like he has, and this young one has a relationship with this guy.

[541] As if that kid is somehow perpetuating the relationship.

[542] Yeah.

[543] Or his fault that.

[544] Yes.

[545] Or he should do Using the older man somehow.

[546] Because they're basically trying to sell the story of like these two devil children.

[547] Oh, no. When really, as we all know, it's like this guy was in their life.

[548] So clearly Alex was being groomed for a long time.

[549] And, you know, it's just the grossest thing.

[550] So basically when the mom bailed, the dad after a little while was like, I can't handle four boys by myself.

[551] So they all got put in like Alex went to a foster home.

[552] The twins went somewhere else.

[553] And then the older boy went and lived with the principal of the local high school.

[554] Oh, that can't be chill.

[555] I don't think so.

[556] And then he stayed there until like two months before this murder.

[557] So, and Alex came back from the foster home.

[558] I can't get any information about what happened, but they said it didn't, like, it didn't work out or something.

[559] But we all know what foster homes can be like.

[560] Sure.

[561] So, but Alex was doing good at home with his dad.

[562] Then Derek showed up.

[563] And then two months later, the dad's murdered.

[564] Do we know, did the mom come back for the trial?

[565] Yeah.

[566] The mom not only came back for the trial, when they basically were found guilty.

[567] I think they were found guilty of second -degree murder or something.

[568] The mom showed up.

[569] They hit him with something and then set his body on fire.

[570] Baseball bat.

[571] Derek hit him with the baseball bat.

[572] Alex said it was his idea.

[573] And then they lit the house on fair because they thought they were going to get rid of all the evidence.

[574] If you're going to kill someone and then, like, light their body on fire, if they don't have charred lungs, it's clear that they didn't die in the fire, everyone.

[575] Yeah, but you can't just burn somebody.

[576] It doesn't work that way.

[577] It doesn't work that way.

[578] And I mean, yeah.

[579] I'm telling people how to get away with, yeah, like almost kill them so that they inhale the smoke when they, no, okay.

[580] I mean, yeah, that's one way, but still they might find stuff on the body.

[581] You can't get away with killing someone.

[582] Anyways, it's very difficult to get away with killing something.

[583] So they also brought the guy up on charges, all kinds of charges.

[584] They have, like the aiding and betting thing and they had unkidnapping.

[585] And of course, like 10 counts of molestation, he had already, he was a convicted pedophile.

[586] Of course he was.

[587] How was he the family friends?

[588] Like that's what I want to know.

[589] This is why you don't make friends with people at all.

[590] Ever.

[591] But so, so anyway, they have two, like, uh, they have two trials.

[592] The two boys are tried.

[593] And then this guy is Ricky Jibbiz is tried.

[594] We just start spreading this room.

[595] Yeah, that'd be bad.

[596] That'd be bad.

[597] But they, so they try the adult man first and then seal his, the results.

[598] And so when the boys are tried, we don't know whether or not that jury found that guy guilty.

[599] Because it'll influence the jury.

[600] Yeah, because they basically were both, oh, because, sorry, so like three months after they made that confession, then they got the lawyer, they lawyered up.

[601] Right.

[602] They basically came back and said, he did it, we were covering for him.

[603] And this whole thing was his plan.

[604] and we were in the trunk the whole time, and he did all of it.

[605] And he was like, nope.

[606] Yes.

[607] And so that guy's lawyer has to represent a child molester who is being accused of murder by children.

[608] Like, the whole thing is so crazy.

[609] This is what I'm saying about defense, like defense attorney should look.

[610] I wish the idea was for everyone together to look for the truth.

[611] Yeah.

[612] Instead of making some shit up.

[613] Yeah.

[614] Or like, here's a technicality and this is why, you know, I, can't imagine defense attorneys like themselves that much.

[615] No. Well, it must be really hard.

[616] Sure.

[617] But then there are, they're doing it for those people that are, like, the few innocent.

[618] Right.

[619] But this guy was so not innocent.

[620] But the weird thing was, they didn't convict him on the 10 molestation charges.

[621] Wow.

[622] They didn't, like, he, they basically brought more charges against him.

[623] And then, like, the thing he finally got convicted for was, like, was, like, holding a minor against their will or something and he got 35 years for it like the maximum.

[624] That's a lie.

[625] The one thing they could make stick.

[626] But because those boys had lied and done all that stuff it made this guy look better than he should have looked.

[627] And there are a lot of people who still feel like no one ever heard what really actually happened because there's no way that that child molester was just an innocent bystander in that whole thing.

[628] Well, when you think about these kids who were 12 and 13, but looked really young.

[629] Does that I mean that who, how did they hit their dad over the head with a baseball bat and kill him?

[630] That doesn't sound like something, a young looking 12 or 13, like a slight, you know what I mean?

[631] Like that's a, well, the older Derek is the one that did it and he was a little taller and bigger, but the guy was sitting in a, in like a lazy boy recliner.

[632] And so he may have been asleep.

[633] He may just snuck up on him.

[634] Because they had run away, so they weren't in the house.

[635] They weren't around.

[636] So they snuck into the house.

[637] and killed him.

[638] And what's the story with the dad?

[639] Was he like a dick?

[640] Like, was it...

[641] There's no proof.

[642] That's the other thing is that they couldn't prove anything.

[643] They couldn't prove the molestation.

[644] Everything was word...

[645] It was not word of mouth, but a hearsay or whatever.

[646] And the dad, they just said the dad was really strict.

[647] Right.

[648] And sometimes he would stare at them and they didn't like it.

[649] So I think it was just like those kids just looked worse and worse and worse and worse.

[650] Every time they talked about anything.

[651] Yeah.

[652] So it's like...

[653] the dad was a dad trying his best.

[654] Maybe he was a dick.

[655] Maybe he was a dick, but he was trying, you know, but who knows?

[656] Like, and also, it was his friend.

[657] Totally.

[658] The other, the child molester was his friend.

[659] That's the reason that guy was in their life.

[660] So who knows?

[661] Don't you, like, do you wonder about, like, people we know that you're like, oh, like, they're a child, like, what if they try out to be a child molester?

[662] You would never know.

[663] No. You would never know.

[664] Secrets.

[665] Secrets and lives.

[666] And now they're both out of jail.

[667] Shut up.

[668] They eventually got convicted.

[669] The older one got eight years in jail, and the little one got seven.

[670] Jesus.

[671] And now they're out.

[672] And one is like on drugs and violated his parole and had to go back.

[673] Alex, the younger one.

[674] Because he got like into a car accident or something.

[675] It's all just really terrible and sad.

[676] Where are they living?

[677] Down the street from here.

[678] No, no. This all happened in Florida.

[679] Okay.

[680] But then they moved to someone.

[681] more in Texas.

[682] Okay.

[683] I think.

[684] Damn.

[685] Crazy.

[686] So crazy.

[687] And also as I was doing it, I was like, oh, I love the story.

[688] It's so disgusting and crazy.

[689] But then there's no real answers, which drives me nuts.

[690] I want to talk to the mom.

[691] Oh, she came in.

[692] Not only did she come in in the 11th hour, but she, Rose O'Donnell hired her two lawyers for the boys.

[693] Oh, really?

[694] Yeah.

[695] Why?

[696] Because I think she was afraid they weren't getting like a fair, a fair thing.

[697] So she put some lawyers, Florida lawyers on retainer for them.

[698] Damn, Rosie.

[699] Uh -huh.

[700] Interesting.

[701] Yeah.

[702] This is another one of those murders where I think about it once a month, once every couple months.

[703] Because that scenario is just, it's just so nightmarish.

[704] And those boys truly didn't have a chance.

[705] I mean, if we're talking about, and we have talked a lot about the why of serial killers or the why of spree or just, you know, parenticide, I don't know what it's called.

[706] And this one is just, I remember reading and reading and reading about it and just being like, this is awful.

[707] Well, it's one of those stories that it's like, on the surface, it looks like an act that happened, period, these kids.

[708] But when you start telling the story and looking into it and looking into the past and looking at circumstances, it just gets more and more convoluted but also makes more sense in a way.

[709] Globally, yeah, you look at it.

[710] It's not random.

[711] Two boys, which was how the media would talk about it back then where it was just like two boys killed their parents and they're bad.

[712] Yeah, exactly.

[713] When it's like that situation was like it actually makes sense.

[714] perfect sense.

[715] Coming from that, how they got to where they ended up.

[716] Yeah.

[717] So I do have case updates on this.

[718] So Alex King actually died this year on April 23 of a heart attack caused by a drug overdose.

[719] He was only 35 years old.

[720] He'd been living in Missoula, Montana.

[721] He struggled with drug addiction for a long time.

[722] That's something his uncle told someone in the press.

[723] The other brother, Derek King, is still alive, 36 years old, lives in Florida, has a child, sounds like it's, you know, tried to put his life back together.

[724] So, Ricky Chavez, who, as we heard, was charged with kidnapping and 10 counts of molestation, is now in his mid -60s.

[725] He is still serving his 30 -year sentence at this century correctional institution in Escambia County, Florida.

[726] he's already served more than 20 years for his crimes.

[727] He appealed the verdict and the sentence, but they were upheld.

[728] He's scheduled to be released in November of 2031.

[729] Okay.

[730] So now let's go from one that has these circumstances that when you hear them, it makes more sense as to what happened.

[731] My story that I tell is not that.

[732] It is just, it is confounding and heartbreaking.

[733] Yeah.

[734] And, you know, of course, it's hard to talk about, children who murder because the instinct that we have is always to assume that there was an abuse going on, that the parents were inflicting some kind of trauma.

[735] So there are also victims and, you know, it's just, you don't ever know these things.

[736] And you want a reason.

[737] Right.

[738] You want something logical that you can follow to say, I see, this all adds up now.

[739] Right.

[740] But sometimes there isn't, there isn't that and it's so frustrating.

[741] And also, back in 2016, we talked about the victim and perpetrators looks and, you know, their physical appearance.

[742] And we don't really do that anymore.

[743] So just a heads up on that.

[744] Okay, so Georgia goes second in this episode and here's her story.

[745] It's about Jasmine Richardson and the Richardson family murders.

[746] All right.

[747] I want to hear my favorite murder?

[748] I really do.

[749] For children who kill their parents?

[750] Yes.

[751] Mine is the Richardson family murder.

[752] Okay.

[753] So, in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada, I love when Canadians get violent.

[754] You know, Canadians, I've been noticing from the Facebook group, there's a lot of fucked -up murders in Canada.

[755] Yeah, there are.

[756] Yeah, it's really interesting.

[757] I think it's like so much, it's wide open space.

[758] Totally.

[759] And this is Canada's youngest multiple murderer.

[760] Oof.

[761] She, her name is Jasmine Richardson.

[762] Is this the one that's 12 but looks like she's 25?

[763] Shut up, yes.

[764] Sorry, sorry.

[765] Oh, it's good, it's good.

[766] Yes.

[767] it totally is so in April of 2006 Mark Richardson who was 42 Deborah Richardson was 48 and this is this fucking tad part I mean it's all sad but Jacob Richardson who was 8 years old found dead and the daughter who was 12 years old was nowhere to be found so this is the reason there's photos of her out there is because at first she was a missing person so they displayed her photo all over the news and like where is this chick turns out they find her the next day she gets arrested.

[768] She is 12 years old, hot, like, goth chick, dating a 23 -year -old dude named Jeremy Allen Stink.

[769] St -E -I -N -K -E.

[770] Stanky.

[771] That's the worst last name of all time.

[772] I know.

[773] Maybe he rebelled it because he's like this gross.

[774] He's like the dude that we probably dated in high school.

[775] He's like a gross goth dude who looks like probably wears eyeliner.

[776] He said he was a 300 -year -old Werewolf that liked the taste of blood.

[777] He's like that guy.

[778] Like gross.

[779] I dated, when I was like 14 and on drugs, I dated older dudes and I thought it was the coolest.

[780] Like, this is what the story interested me too because it was like, oh yeah, that could have been me. I mean, I would never have killed my family, but.

[781] But who knows if you get like pulled in by some weirdo?

[782] Yeah, and he kind of, it seems like, I mean, it definitely seems like he's the one who, the whole thing on because he said he watched like hours before the murder watched natural born killers and it was like me and my girlfriend are these people were gonna kill your family so they went in there the dad this is so graphic the dad was stabbed so many times he didn't have blood in him anymore oh my god and then this is the saddest part don't listen if you don't want to hear about children getting murdered because I don't even want this poor eight -year -old kid she sat up there his big sister sat up there with him.

[783] She said she covered his ears while his parents got killed in the basement.

[784] And then, because she didn't want him to hear it.

[785] So it's like, well, then she also didn't want him to get murdered.

[786] But the guy came up there, the boyfriend, and was like, kill him.

[787] So together they kind of killed him.

[788] Ugh.

[789] Just like disgusting and awful and like.

[790] Insane.

[791] Insane.

[792] And it makes me not, she's 12 years old, but it makes me have no sympathy for her anymore.

[793] No. You know?

[794] No. If she could do that, sit with her brother and cover his ears or whatever, there's some modicum of control that she had.

[795] She could have taken him out the window.

[796] Totally.

[797] Or something.

[798] Something, except, and now, man, she's going to community fucking college and has a job and lives on her own.

[799] Oh.

[800] Because in, you can't be tried as an adult when you're under 14 in Canada for murder.

[801] So that, or in the longest you can get is 10 years.

[802] So she was 12 at the time, got 10 years, got out early.

[803] She's out under the care of a psychiatrist.

[804] She expresses genuine remorse, quote, genuine.

[805] I mean, I was a little shit when I was young, but I would, but I knew you don't kill your family.

[806] Well, I don't think it's, I don't think it's a fair comparison.

[807] You probably, being a little shit and a murderer is not the same thing.

[808] Well, yeah.

[809] I mean, that's true.

[810] And I wonder what drugs they were doing.

[811] Were they on drugs together?

[812] It didn't talk about drugs, but they had to be on something.

[813] Yeah.

[814] Oh, yeah.

[815] I know.

[816] I know.

[817] So he got three life sentences.

[818] Yeah.

[819] So she essentially didn't, like she only got punished for a little while.

[820] Punished for a little while.

[821] She's going to school.

[822] I was reading a Reddit thing that's like someone was like, yeah, we, I go to this school and none of us know who she is.

[823] even though there's photos of her, and she looks so much older.

[824] Look at Jasmine Richardson.

[825] She's like a pretty gothy girl who looks 18 at the least.

[826] At the least.

[827] But you'd think that you could recognize her, but everyone's like, no one can tell who she is.

[828] Well, you know what?

[829] I bet she grew those eyebrows in.

[830] Sure.

[831] She probably got a nice stencil, an eyebrow stencil.

[832] Let's say hair is bleached one now, maybe.

[833] Bleach blonde would be smart.

[834] No, or maybe she's like the most square looking person in the world now.

[835] She goes full J crew.

[836] Full J crew.

[837] That's a good way to hide.

[838] Perm?

[839] Marsha Clark, perm.

[840] Bugged out Marsha Clark eyes.

[841] Spray tan.

[842] Because you're not got off anymore.

[843] And also, or she could be doing mousy brown hair that almost isn't a color and like John Lennon glasses and just being like sexless, plain.

[844] Yeah.

[845] Like the person.

[846] I always think about that of like, if I ever.

[847] wanted to be a spy.

[848] I know exactly what I would wear and, like, do.

[849] We don't look like spies, you and I. No. Yeah.

[850] You'd have to be an old goth lady.

[851] Who stopped trying three years ago.

[852] We would have to go real norm.

[853] Real normal.

[854] Not norm.

[855] Yeah.

[856] We would have to do, it would have to be light honey brown box dyed hair.

[857] And also like, like cardigan sets.

[858] Yeah.

[859] Right.

[860] And like, or maybe just like, or just have a shopping day at Marshalls.

[861] We would have to look like I looked or like one would look when you have an office job you hate and don't want to spend any money on the clothes.

[862] Yeah.

[863] So it's those like button down blouses that like a roosh at the waist.

[864] Yes.

[865] And then a pencil skirt.

[866] Totally.

[867] Mm -hmm.

[868] It's easy to hide in plain sight.

[869] Cheap, shitty boots.

[870] Shitty boots, black tights.

[871] And then your purse is from clearly from payless.

[872] Like your purse is.

[873] from Bayless.

[874] Sure.

[875] And then you just got a scrunchy.

[876] You've got all the hair, the permed hair up and it's up in a scrunch.

[877] All of it's up in a scrunch.

[878] No mix.

[879] Shaved eyebrows and then they're pencil back in.

[880] That's a bit, that almost might seem glamorous though.

[881] That is.

[882] I think you grow the eyebrows in.

[883] Yeah.

[884] It'd be hard for me though.

[885] Okay.

[886] Lip liner only, no lipstick.

[887] Yes.

[888] Or just no lipstick.

[889] Right.

[890] No, just no lips.

[891] Oh my God.

[892] What if, what about those people that wear it all foundation.

[893] Oh, yeah.

[894] So just foundation, you have like an all beige face.

[895] It's like no contouring whatsoever.

[896] No contouring, no lipstick, no eye makeup.

[897] You just got the basics covered.

[898] Yeah.

[899] The baby.

[900] My cat is stoked on this look for me. He's like, you'll just never leave the house anymore.

[901] Wow, I'm fascinated.

[902] I am too.

[903] I do remember seeing that picture when I read that she was 12.

[904] I was like, yeah.

[905] That's insane.

[906] Yeah.

[907] I don't know how.

[908] I was like, that must be an older photo of her.

[909] Nope.

[910] That's what she looked like.

[911] And I think she supposedly lied.

[912] They maybe met in a chat room.

[913] And supposedly she might have been lying about her age.

[914] Saying she was 15.

[915] So he's still a 23 -year -old fucking a 15 -year -old.

[916] Yes.

[917] But also, if he's 300, he should have been able to pick up on that lie.

[918] Yeah.

[919] If he's been around that much, you think he would know.

[920] And they killed their parents supposedly because they disapproved the relationship, which is like, this was bothering me so much about the whole thing is like, these parents get killed for parenting.

[921] Yeah.

[922] That bothers me so much.

[923] Like, these parents get killed for something that later in your life, you're like, they were right.

[924] I looked back at my mom and how mad I was at her and embarrassed I was at certain moments.

[925] And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, you were being an asshole.

[926] She was parenting.

[927] Yes.

[928] Okay, so here are some case updates.

[929] About three months after this episode was recorded in early May, 2016, Jasmine completed her 10 -year sentence.

[930] which included four years in a psychiatric institution and then four and a half years under conditional supervision.

[931] And when I mentioned in the episode that she was in community college, this was during her time under community supervision.

[932] She's now 30 years old and living under a new identity.

[933] But Jeremy Steinke is still in prison.

[934] He's still serving his life sentence.

[935] He'll be eligible for parole in 2031 after serving 25 years of his sentence.

[936] And, you know, hopefully that will be denied.

[937] that parole.

[938] On the plus side, you can hear Elvis a lot meowing.

[939] Oh, God.

[940] During that episode.

[941] I mean, that actually is kind of sweet that you could go back and kind of listen to him anytime you wanted to.

[942] I know.

[943] And the fact that we still have him meowing, at every episode, all these years later, he's still being asked if he wants to click in having a meow at the end of every episode makes me, like, want to cry.

[944] Yeah, and got to.

[945] Yeah.

[946] He helped us get to where we are today.

[947] I can't overstate how much his companionship and loyalty helped with my mental health.

[948] I mean, I would not be where I am today if I had not adopted that cat.

[949] He was just such a loyal angel.

[950] He was a good boy.

[951] He was a very good boy.

[952] He was a very good boy.

[953] But how funny that today, I have a dog named Cookie, named after my sweet boy, right?

[954] Prayers up, prayers up.

[955] That's right.

[956] Every day.

[957] Full circle.

[958] Yeah, very sweet.

[959] Alvis brought me a cookie at the very end of it.

[960] Oh, I know.

[961] All right.

[962] So we don't start doing minisodes until March 30th, 2016.

[963] So in these early days, we do hometowns at the end of every episode.

[964] That's how we started blending it together.

[965] So here is early days.

[966] A listener from New Zealand rode in.

[967] I mean, who knew?

[968] That's huge.

[969] And so cool.

[970] And when we went down there, of course, legendary tour in Australia and New Zealand.

[971] I'll never forget it.

[972] One of the best trips I've ever been on, like, so amazing.

[973] The people were so great.

[974] It was so cool.

[975] So here's the hometown.

[976] Should we do a...

[977] Yeah.

[978] Emails?

[979] Yeah.

[980] We have some good, your hometown murders.

[981] You guys are really fucking killing it.

[982] You're killing it.

[983] And so much so, I don't know if you guys saw but we got a really nice review on the AV club that specifically mentioned how good the hometown murder stories are.

[984] Totally, how scary they are.

[985] Going to rip up your notes for you.

[986] That's okay.

[987] Okay, yeah, you guys are part of this podcast, and we appreciate it.

[988] Yeah.

[989] So you can email them to us at My Favorite Murder at Gmail.

[990] You can join the Facebook group.

[991] It's a private group, so people won't see that you're an insane person who loves murders.

[992] But you have to ask to join it.

[993] Is that right?

[994] Yeah, you just need to be approved and you're being approved by me and I so far have not not approved anyone.

[995] So it's not scary.

[996] And then we also have a Twitter account, my fave murder, FAB.

[997] So if you need to go there, you should follow us there.

[998] Okay, you want to start?

[999] Sure.

[1000] Let's see.

[1001] This is the one I marked.

[1002] I just, I like to lay in bed and read these.

[1003] I know.

[1004] The best.

[1005] And then flag ones that are like, you know, clear, concise.

[1006] easy.

[1007] So let's see.

[1008] This is one that I flagged.

[1009] Ooh, this is creepy.

[1010] So, hi, ladies.

[1011] This is from Maite, M -A -I -T -E.

[1012] Ma 'it, El -Guetta, Clavel.

[1013] And I think she's originally from Chile.

[1014] So that's why she has such a fascinating name.

[1015] Maite.

[1016] All right.

[1017] So she says, hi, ladies.

[1018] Really cool to have found her podcast.

[1019] I'm originally from Chile, but I've lived in New Zealand, NZ.

[1020] Yeah, sure.

[1021] For over 10 years now, NZ.

[1022] My husband and I are really fascinated by cold cases and always talk about it.

[1023] There's so many here in NZ that are very interesting and worth mentioning, like the Bain murders or the Mark Lundy's case, naming them here so you have a chance to research a little.

[1024] But the one I want to tell you about happened in the town I grew up and the victim was a student from my school, so that's one personal connection on the case.

[1025] Carla Ojarzan was a 15 -year -old talented student and athlete who was found dead at a sports training park in Orsono, Chile.

[1026] She had been raped, beaten, and strangled with her own running tights.

[1027] On the evening of December 17th, 2008, Carla and her sister went for the usual training session at the city outdoor sports facility.

[1028] They usually go to training with their dad, but that day their mom was sick, so the dad stayed home, looking after her and the girls trained together for a while, then separated.

[1029] Carla stayed behind doing extra laps.

[1030] And her sister went home, in parentheses, terrible move.

[1031] After a few hours and with no signs of Carlo, the family members and friends went to look for her.

[1032] And among these friends was fellow athlete and former coach of Carla, Christian Roheel, R -O -J -E -L -35.

[1033] He knew the area very well.

[1034] So he led the search that night and also helped the police search the following morning.

[1035] He even talked to the media saying that he had seen her training and have told her that she shouldn't be on her own, that it was late.

[1036] All red flags.

[1037] It was dangerous, yep.

[1038] She wrote, I mean, hello.

[1039] You're just implicating.

[1040] You're telling everyone that you were there.

[1041] Yeah, you're so interested.

[1042] Yep.

[1043] So Carlos' body was discovered the following morning at a remote part of the training field, an area that was covered in really high wheat grass, a wheat -like grass.

[1044] So, as you might have guessed, he raped and killed her.

[1045] And do you know how he got caught?

[1046] His wife saw him coming home that night and jumping in the shower with his, clothes on as if he was trying to wash them.

[1047] She found that odd.

[1048] And when she heard Carla about Carla being dead, she checked her husband's wet clothing.

[1049] And it was covered in dry grass like the wheatgrass.

[1050] And then she saw something that looked like blood.

[1051] So she called the police and the blood was matched to Carla's DNA.

[1052] He raped her with a condom so he wouldn't get caught.

[1053] He was found guilty of rape and first degree murder.

[1054] It's currently serving a life sentence in a local prison.

[1055] He's never confessed to killing her.

[1056] He first said that there was lovers and the sex was consensual later admitted to have raped her, but insisted he left her alive.

[1057] Yeah, right.

[1058] Just help, just confess at this point.

[1059] Good for his fucking wife, man. I know.

[1060] You know, that's the kind of person that people need to be is like.

[1061] Imagine that moment where you look down and you see all the, oh, my God.

[1062] I would want to throw up.

[1063] I would run out of the house.

[1064] That's like that moment in Silence of Lance or she's like, may I use your phone please?

[1065] Right.

[1066] Or you try to act calm, but there's no way to be calm.

[1067] Right.

[1068] Oh, you know, I read an article recently.

[1069] That was just an interview from the two of the, the, uh, Mr. I don't want to hurt your dog and puts the lotion on.

[1070] I read an article that was just interviewing the two of them and what their experiences were like.

[1071] And it was amazing.

[1072] Were they together?

[1073] No. It was like quotes from both of them.

[1074] That's so funny.

[1075] That's a, I've never heard that story before.

[1076] Every time I see Mr. I got your dog, every time I see her in anything else, like, I'm so proud.

[1077] Did you know she was?

[1078] in Gray's Anatomy?

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] I did not realize it was her telling her read that article.

[1081] I was so happy for her.

[1082] I know.

[1083] She's fine.

[1084] She's got that residual money.

[1085] Okay.

[1086] You guys, thanks for listening.

[1087] Follow us on all the places we talked about earlier.

[1088] And rate us on iTunes, rate review and subscribe.

[1089] Please do that because that gets us so many more viewers and listeners, like the higher up we get.

[1090] And we want everyone to listen to this because we want everyone to be fucked up in the head.

[1091] Yay.

[1092] We need to share, you know, what's sharing is caring.

[1093] It definitely is.

[1094] And, you know, stay sexy.

[1095] Stay sexy.

[1096] Don't get murdered.

[1097] Bye.

[1098] So out of the hometown and onto the title and the ending because this is a big one.

[1099] This is the very first episode that ends with Stay Sexy and Don't Get Murdered.

[1100] This was so off the cuff.

[1101] Yes.

[1102] I mean, I remember you saying stay sexy and I remember needing to say something else.

[1103] and we had just gone over such horrific murders that it was almost just like I felt like we were telling, we were literally telling the person listening how to live their life.

[1104] Yeah.

[1105] And it was definitely stay sexy.

[1106] Yes, absolutely.

[1107] But also don't get murdered, please.

[1108] Yeah.

[1109] Just like how you would tell a friend.

[1110] Yes.

[1111] What you would tell a friend when they were leaving your house at night.

[1112] Yeah.

[1113] Have a safe flight.

[1114] It has that vibe to it.

[1115] Right.

[1116] For sure.

[1117] I was, of course, being incredibly sarcastic.

[1118] But we had decided, I think, before we started recording, we need a tagline.

[1119] Like, we need some sort of, we were trying to just, like, tighten our shit up and, like, be more official.

[1120] It's like, well, if now there's, you know, if now there's 3 ,000 people on the Facebook page, we better start treating this like it's a real show.

[1121] Yeah.

[1122] Because at the end, I think we're like, okay, well, but goodbye.

[1123] Goodbye.

[1124] No. Yeah.

[1125] We needed something.

[1126] We need to end it on something.

[1127] Yeah, exactly.

[1128] And so then we also named the episode, Stay 60, because.

[1129] we were still doing the number puns.

[1130] But Alejandra, our producer, pulled out some lines that could be what we would name it now that we do it just on lines that we say in the show.

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] So we have adventures into ghost mouths, something Karen said.

[1133] Oh, that's right.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] Oh, there's also arts and crafts gothic, which is something Georgia said talking about the house.

[1136] The house on the show American Horror Story was available to be Airbnb.

[1137] That's right.

[1138] Crazy.

[1139] I don't want to spend the night there.

[1140] My cat's going to rip up your notes was one of the options because literally my cats would have torn your notes to shreds at one point.

[1141] Those cats loved paper.

[1142] They still do.

[1143] And they loved it while we were recording the most.

[1144] It felt like.

[1145] It was like, wait, it was it Mimi that was always a little bit like, hey, what did you got over here?

[1146] They both loved to shred paper for sure.

[1147] It was very handy when I was like paying bills and stuff like that.

[1148] but not when you, like, need sound to sound okay.

[1149] Not with that incredible audio that we were doing back in 2016.

[1150] I mean, did we invent ASMR?

[1151] I don't know.

[1152] It's possible.

[1153] One could say.

[1154] I mean, if you're relaxed by ripping paper, which good.

[1155] I mean, Kat's ripping paper is pretty adorable.

[1156] If that's what you love, this is the show for you.

[1157] Well, we've done it again.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] Do you like reviewing old episodes with us?

[1160] How do you feel about this?

[1161] could do it forever, we could do it for never.

[1162] Let us know what you prefer.

[1163] If you demand the cancellation of this series, please rate review and subscribe in iTunes.

[1164] Please do.

[1165] And also stay sexy.

[1166] And don't get murdered.

[1167] Goodbye.

[1168] Elvis, do you want a cookie?