57 - Live At The Fox Theater

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Should we scream really quick?

[17] Okay, I'm ready?

[18] That does feel good.

[19] Yeah, our friend does.

[20] That's good.

[21] A friend Lizzie Cooperman told us that her secret before going on stage and not being nervous is just scream into her hands.

[22] It's really...

[23] I felt good.

[24] I'm deputed.

[25] I may have damaged my instrument a little bit, though.

[26] This is fucking crazy.

[27] Somebody tweeted a picture from the audience of the stage and the frontist piece looks like Beyonce from the Grammys, doesn't it?

[28] Do you think she dressed up like the interior of the Fox Theater?

[29] She's like, make me look.

[30] Give me that fox look, she said.

[31] Who's here?

[32] Who's from Oakland and who's from not Oakland?

[33] Cheer!

[34] Ask a seven -part question to kick it off.

[35] We definitely want you to be yelling the whole time.

[36] So, let's see.

[37] Basically.

[38] Who's from San Leandro?

[39] Who's from Dublin?

[40] This is Karen's fucking city.

[41] Can you tell?

[42] Top of the Hill Daily City, anybody?

[43] I mean.

[44] They're from places.

[45] Anyway.

[46] That's cool.

[47] We don't.

[48] Oh, that was my cousin Stevie.

[49] By the way, 110 of my family members are here tonight.

[50] On our guest list, and it was like, Kilgariff, Kill Garif, Kill Garif.

[51] Yay!

[52] Represent.

[53] We represent in the Bay.

[54] I love it.

[55] Lots of people do.

[56] Should we do a quick outfit?

[57] Let's do it.

[58] Look at my, uh, watch my tights.

[59] Those are cat tights if you can't see from the balcony.

[60] A little tail in the bat.

[61] You're little cats.

[62] No. Thank you.

[63] I got a pocket dress.

[64] Pocket.

[65] We were having like a conversation backstage of like, you know, a serious one.

[66] And then she goes like this and I went, oh, pockets.

[67] Pockets.

[68] Do you want me to tell you a quick story about this dress?

[69] Yes.

[70] It's going to be fast.

[71] It's going to be fast.

[72] Always.

[73] I'm not asking you.

[74] asking her.

[75] We went to the outlet malls in Los Angeles.

[76] We went to the Kate Spade store.

[77] I walked in.

[78] I was like, I have to get, oh, really quick.

[79] Sidebar in the middle of the dress story.

[80] Okun, we just want you to know, this is the first night of our tour.

[81] We're starting it with you guys.

[82] Amazing.

[83] Anyway, I'm at the outlet malls.

[84] Kate Spade Store.

[85] Have to get my tour long dress.

[86] has to be black.

[87] That's the rule we made up that we're now stuck in permanently.

[88] It sucks.

[89] There's no black dresses, it turns out, that are flattering.

[90] Obsessively buying black dresses.

[91] I go in.

[92] I see a dress.

[93] It's this one.

[94] On the rack.

[95] It fits me. It's my size.

[96] It has pockets.

[97] I'm like, what the fuck?

[98] God is with me. I look at the price tag.

[99] It says $219.

[100] I was like, hey, listen, I'm going to wear it for, what, 50 shows or something like that.

[101] Are we doing one dress for all the show?

[102] Yes, the entire run.

[103] Really?

[104] Are going to smell so bad when we're done.

[105] It's true.

[106] I imagine.

[107] So I'm like, here, my mother's voice in my head, it's a key piece.

[108] You're going to be able to wear it over and over again.

[109] Right, right.

[110] It's worth the money.

[111] When you spend more, you get more.

[112] So I'm like, all right, Pat.

[113] So I take the dress up to the counter, put it on the counter.

[114] This is the classic outlet sale Outlet store tail $79 Motherfuckers What don't she just laughed She just kept walking Walking down Telegraph Let's see what else Are we really wearing these the whole thing?

[115] No no no we can't That's crazy We're actually gonna wear them all weekend though So if you see photos that look like it's here And you're like I don't remember them doing that It's because we're not Yeah I'm just gonna keep wearing them up and down the coast But they're still gonna smell really bad by Monday for sure.

[116] I mean...

[117] Well, and then we can burn them in a pile.

[118] Like witches!

[119] Oh, we have an exclusive merch announcement.

[120] Here's why.

[121] Merch Corner.

[122] Oops, the shirts got fucked up.

[123] Corner, corner, everybody.

[124] Oops, yeah.

[125] The shirts that are available tonight here at the Fox Theater in Oakland.

[126] We're going to call them exclusive.

[127] They're...

[128] We're not calling them mistake shirts.

[129] No. They're exclusive.

[130] They're exclusive to this weekend.

[131] So if you were on the fence, I don't know.

[132] Are people, then, I mean, it's weird.

[133] Get one.

[134] Look, it doesn't need to have our name on it to make it our shirt.

[135] That's the thing.

[136] And listen, it doesn't mean the name of the podcast on the front.

[137] Or anywhere.

[138] Is it on the shirt?

[139] Why reference the name of the show that the shirt belongs to when you're on the tour?

[140] Someone will see you in that, and like, you'll know they're in the know.

[141] when they're like, I know what that's from, even though it doesn't say the name of what it is, or the name of the hosts on it.

[142] Or any name at all, really.

[143] It's just some words.

[144] Yeah, it's because we knew you guys were like, you know, everyone else needs our name on it because we're going to forget.

[145] So, exclusive merch tonight only.

[146] And tomorrow night.

[147] And tomorrow.

[148] Also tomorrow.

[149] Weekend.

[150] It's a week.

[151] It's a weekend shit merch.

[152] Merch, super special merch.

[153] Ooh.

[154] own.

[155] We got a cake backstage, too.

[156] Oh, my God.

[157] Rachel's Bakery.

[158] Rachel's cakes.

[159] Rachel's cakes and Burling Games sent us.

[160] It's on our Instagram now.

[161] It's on Instagram.

[162] It's our tiered cake.

[163] We got it backstage.

[164] We can't talk about it now, Rachel.

[165] But here's the thing.

[166] Someone brought in what looked like a very large hat box, and we're like, uh...

[167] Or bomb, maybe.

[168] Again, my theory, it's full of moths.

[169] We don't want that in here.

[170] someone's going to send us a box of moths.

[171] I don't know why that's my fear.

[172] I mean, I wouldn't get it.

[173] It's my fear.

[174] It'd be fun.

[175] Is it?

[176] You did say as it was opening, is it full of moths?

[177] Like, you're not kidding.

[178] I don't know what it is, but that's, if you want to get me and do not fucking do it.

[179] It was one of those boxes that look like when you're waiting for your bag at the bag thing and you see the box and you're like, what the fuck?

[180] And you're like, oh, I hope so.

[181] And it just keeps going around and around.

[182] and kind of walking away from it.

[183] There's a lot of tape on that box.

[184] Yeah.

[185] But inside...

[186] Turns out, nope.

[187] It was cute.

[188] Gorgeous, teared.

[189] What's that stuff called?

[190] Fondent.

[191] That you see them make on all the fancy bakery shows.

[192] And a fondant Karen and Georgia on a couch on top.

[193] With Elvis with a knife trying to kill us.

[194] Rachel's a Burlinging.

[195] And a little meamy, all curled up, all cute, off to the side.

[196] on this side and a little box of cookies on a cake like here's a cake you eat the cake and then that's you eating cookies you're pigs it's gorgeous thank you're rachel no they're Elvis's cookies oh I get it I'm sorry listen you guys are here for listening thank you for that should we sit down let's sit down are we gonna Is this correct?

[197] Not all forward.

[198] Like, why have a table and then just sit out there?

[199] I know I'm doing this.

[200] That's weird.

[201] We've never sat on these sides before.

[202] Oh, should we switch it around?

[203] I don't know.

[204] It's just, you know.

[205] Let's just make it right.

[206] Yeah, there we go.

[207] What's it called when you are?

[208] So, okay.

[209] We can't hear you and we don't want to know what you're saying.

[210] That's not how this works.

[211] That's Karen, I'm Georgia.

[212] Oh yeah, hi, welcome to my...

[213] I don't know why I did that.

[214] All right, welcome to my allergies.

[215] Before we start, I do have one piece of news that might be exciting for everybody that I saw.

[216] Somebody tweeted it to us secondhand from another murdering now.

[217] You can now on ways get datelines Keith Morrison's voice for your GPS.

[218] Did you hear about that?

[219] Did you listen?

[220] No, did you?

[221] No, but I want it.

[222] Could you imagine that creep telling you?

[223] you had to get around town.

[224] It's hilarious.

[225] I love it.

[226] It's such a great idea.

[227] I feel like I would prefer Lieutenant Joe Kanda, though.

[228] That would be my...

[229] Oh, man, really?

[230] Yeah.

[231] He's just snarky the whole time.

[232] Everything would be like a thing where one time I turned down this street and he's like, okay, Joe, just trying to get to Target.

[233] I bet he says...

[234] I bet he says flip a Uie.

[235] You know, instead of make a U -turn.

[236] You can never go back, but turn.

[237] left and...

[238] Keep going.

[239] A lot of that kind of hard -course stuff.

[240] Oh, God.

[241] At least it's not Nancy Grace.

[242] She went there.

[243] Okay, can I do a new podcast, Corner, Corner, Corner?

[244] That I found.

[245] It's not a call -and -response thing.

[246] I don't know what to...

[247] It's so weird.

[248] Is this the time and place to plug a new...

[249] Someone else's podcast?

[250] Probably not, right?

[251] Why not?

[252] Okay.

[253] Someone on Twitter told me about...

[254] this and I immediately downloaded and then I have almost finished the entire season.

[255] Shit.

[256] Okay.

[257] It's called Stranglers.

[258] Oh yeah.

[259] Yep.

[260] I've listened to it.

[261] Did you?

[262] I've listened to the first two.

[263] Go ahead.

[264] I'm obsessed with it.

[265] I'm obsessed with it.

[266] Like the whole time I was on the plane today, like the whole plane trip, I wasn't stressed out.

[267] So I was just listening to a murder thing about really gruesome murders.

[268] And it just made me feel better.

[269] So you guys should listen to it.

[270] Do you guys understand that in any way?

[271] No, nobody gets that.

[272] Is that something you relate to?

[273] I feel like I don't have to explain that here.

[274] I listened to that one driving up the five the last time I went home, and it started to freak me out.

[275] Dude, it's so scary.

[276] It's really, the Boston Strangler was not fucking around, everybody.

[277] He had issues.

[278] And they keep doing this thing.

[279] We're like, here's the suspect they think.

[280] It's a really cool woman who's hosting it, and I feel like it's kind of like cereal a little lot.

[281] Very official.

[282] It's really good.

[283] She knows what she's doing.

[284] It's produced and shit.

[285] I don't even know.

[286] And they keep going, maybe it's this suspect.

[287] And they tell you all about it.

[288] And I'm like, fuck, yeah, that guy.

[289] But this guy.

[290] And I'm like, oh, shit, it's totally that guy.

[291] So I think, it's like, it's good.

[292] You're just letting them lead you around.

[293] I love it.

[294] Whatever they tell you you're going to buy.

[295] Tell me everything.

[296] All the gross stuff.

[297] And I almost on the plane was like, oh, I want to look up that crime scene photo.

[298] And then I was in the middle seat.

[299] It's becoming more and more acceptable every day, I hear Don't judge me Don't judge me in my fucking weird shit Oh, one more thing, just really quick So I went home really quick to Petaluma, California to see the hometown can to see it at the fuck So I was eating breakfast with my dad And I said to my dad, hey, do you want me to get you a murderino baseball hat?

[300] And he goes, how about you yeah he goes how but you how but you get me a shirt but instead of a monogram it's just got a little dead body on it and I texted her and I was like guess what we're making next yeah I'm like he just wants you to go get him a shirt somewhere else he doesn't want one of your he might just need shirts weirdly my dad I saw him last weekend and he pointed to his hat and it was a New York City hat and he's like I'm ready for my trip to New York when you go there.

[301] And I'm like, because you want to go see my show?

[302] He's just like, no, I want to go to New York.

[303] So I'm taking my dad to New York.

[304] All right, Marty's coming?

[305] Yeah.

[306] All right.

[307] Right.

[308] That's a good way to find out your dad's coming to your show.

[309] Also, they have a, this is, okay, they have a whole vintage Ou -G board, like display at the SFO Airport.

[310] I have to say SFO Airport or do you say SFO?

[311] You can say whatever you want.

[312] It doesn't really matter.

[313] It's like a huge A bunch of cabinets of like Really fucking old Ouija boards And like the like it's awesome You can't touch them can you?

[314] No Don't touch those Oh I love them That's bad luck That luck doesn't exist Oh that's right I keep forgetting What else?

[315] That kind of sounds rad actually Yeah that's gorgeous That's it You want to kick it off Let's get into this thing Let's do it Hey this is exciting an all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[316] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[317] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[318] Who killed Saz?

[319] And were they really after Charles?

[320] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[321] This season, murder hits close to home.

[322] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[323] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[324] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arrive.

[325] Guys, who knows what'll happen once the cameras start to roll.

[326] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[327] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[328] Goodbye.

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[330] Absolutely.

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[348] Goodbye.

[349] Who's first?

[350] I'm first.

[351] You're first.

[352] I'm first.

[353] week.

[354] All right.

[355] This is a real fun one.

[356] Don't look.

[357] Why do you keep?

[358] Literally this piece of paper has been any time it's within two feet of me, she snatches it away and goes, don't look.

[359] Because I would look.

[360] I get the point of the podcast.

[361] I'm not going to fucking sneak and read it and be like, uh -huh.

[362] Because I would look.

[363] I'm amazed I haven't looked at yours yet.

[364] I heard this already.

[365] All right.

[366] So, let's talk about two dudes who are total pieces of shit.

[367] Great.

[368] Also known as the Speed Freak killers.

[369] Uh -oh.

[370] Nobody.

[371] We'll see.

[372] Nobody knows about him.

[373] Okay.

[374] But the bunch of speed freaks in the audience are like, uh -oh, is it me?

[375] Shit.

[376] They found out.

[377] They found out.

[378] Arrest this man. And then they come in.

[379] That would actually be an amazing end of this show.

[380] It would be like a Phil Collins concert.

[381] You sell me when you were drowning and you did not lend a hand.

[382] that's not how it goes um i actually there was like a kid who drove me here from my hotel who like and i was telling him about the podcast that i was listening to about boston stranglers and he's like never heard of them and i'm like oh you're 21 and you don't know about murders yeah he's about to speed freak Jared listen up was his name jerry Lauren Herzog and wesley sherman tyne junior were childhood friends they grew up on the same street like right by each other in a farming town called Lyndon, California?

[383] You fucked.

[384] Hold on.

[385] They might actually just like the names of towns in California.

[386] Is that what you're doing?

[387] Woo -hoo.

[388] It's like those people who eat, like, they're at a restaurant and someone else is getting sung, happy birthday, and they have to sing along with it, too.

[389] And you're like, two years.

[390] Okay, they grew up together.

[391] It's 95 miles east of California.

[392] They were hunters.

[393] they graduated high school in 84 and they gained a reputation as meth users.

[394] Hey, me too.

[395] Not in 1984 though.

[396] It's believed that Herzog and Sherman Time began murdering people when they were around 18 or 19, although it's possible it started earlier than that even.

[397] So Shermanteen would brag to his friends and families about making people disappear, which is what you want in a sibling.

[398] Their families like, I'm going to take that in the way that I choose to interpret it.

[399] Oh, are you a magician?

[400] You can make people disappear?

[401] Finally, you have an interest that we can get into.

[402] Magic.

[403] Let's do you do it.

[404] Do it.

[405] Okay, their first known victim was in 1985, a 16 -year -old Stockton California girl named Chevy Wheeler disappeared, and says.

[406] She had been dating 19 -year -old Wesley and had ditched school that day to hang.

[407] out with him.

[408] Don't hang out with your 19 year old boyfriend.

[409] Yeah.

[410] When you did your school man. Be cool.

[411] Stan's school.

[412] Then you'll get to be this.

[413] No, we dropped out of college.

[414] We really didn't finish any school at all.

[415] Skin of my teeth.

[416] Okay.

[417] So then, so she had been dating him.

[418] She left to hang out with him.

[419] Never seen again.

[420] Her blood was found in his cabin that he had.

[421] But the district attorney didn't think the DNA evidence was definitive.

[422] so nope.

[423] Well, he's the one that would know in 1984.

[424] No. It's just splattered, willy -nilly.

[425] Blood is meaningless to me. Yeah, I know.

[426] I'm a lawyer.

[427] Like, what does it mean, you know?

[428] That could be like, die.

[429] Hair, okay.

[430] November, okay, so then in 98, so that was 85, now we're in 98, and then Cindy Vanderheighten, she's 25 of the San Joaquin Valley disappears from the, Lyndon Bar Inn, which sounds like a fucking dive bar that you don't want to be in.

[431] You mean if like in the inn, I -N -N at the end of any bar, you don't go there.

[432] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[433] No. She had been seen talking to Lauren and Wesley, and actually Lauren had dated her older sister, so they knew each other, and supposedly they all left together, the three of them.

[434] Then her car is found by her dad the next day, like outside of local cemetery.

[435] It's like a new car, and the dad was like, what the fuck is her car doing there?

[436] and, like, they panic, and it's really sad.

[437] Then, so she disappears, and then the cops are like, wait a second.

[438] He has something to do.

[439] Wesley has something to do with Cindy's disappearance, and they were, like, 13 years later, earlier, this other one, they're, like, putting the pieces together.

[440] So they can't get his DNA, but they repossess his car when he doesn't pay for it, pay the payments, and they fucking swab that shit.

[441] All that meaningless DNA is suddenly...

[442] Suddenly, it's 98, and people give a shit.

[443] Hi.

[444] Okay, can I tell you about his tattoos real quick?

[445] Please.

[446] Lauren had, Made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality.

[447] Sorry, say it again.

[448] Made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality.

[449] But he's already killed two people?

[450] Yeah, so he's not being restrained by anything.

[451] Sounds like our government.

[452] Also, um...

[453] That's why I whispered that.

[454] I didn't know what you said.

[455] Oh, I said, sounds like our government.

[456] Oh, right.

[457] Send hate mail to Georgia at Georgia.

[458] What was I said?

[459] I just wondered what the picture underneath that phrase was like a, just like a fun, like a seal with a ball on its nose or something.

[460] I don't know.

[461] Like a baby chick?

[462] Just like the Notre Dame Irishman.

[463] You know it was a Tasmanian devil.

[464] And he's wearing cut off jeans.

[465] Totally.

[466] Yeah, it's just all mad.

[467] He also had a tattoo on his right foot that said, made the devil do it.

[468] Made the devil do it?

[469] Yeah, unless I, unless I'm, um, no, I copied and pasted that.

[470] Made the devil do it.

[471] So his foot made the devil do something?

[472] Apparently.

[473] The devil's like, dude, I'm good.

[474] Don't involve me in your bullshit, the devil said.

[475] I can do it without meth.

[476] And so, I don't even.

[477] So, da, da, da, he's, okay, this motherfucker was married with children, of course.

[478] and then he offers to give DNA once they start looking into Wesley as buddy Wesley.

[479] So the police pick them up, they're going to bring him the station, and in the car on the way to the station, he starts fucking crying and asks what he can do to get out of this.

[480] Wait, he may have been crying about those tattoos though.

[481] Fair enough.

[482] I don't even like the Tasmanian devil anymore.

[483] I was made by hate.

[484] It feels bad to hate.

[485] So he gets interrogated for seven 17 hours confesses to the murder of Cindy.

[486] He says that they met her at a bar.

[487] They were going to go do drugs.

[488] Wesley did everything.

[489] Attempts to rape her.

[490] She resists.

[491] They pull over.

[492] Bad things happen.

[493] So Lauren was like stabbing Cindy.

[494] Lorne said that.

[495] When Wesley was stabbing Cindy, he said, just let it come natural.

[496] I know.

[497] He told detectives, he told detectives that Wesley was responsible for at least 24 murders.

[498] Holy shit.

[499] He doesn't confess to anything himself, though, and just makes it seem like he's an accomplice.

[500] Of course.

[501] Sure.

[502] You're just standing by.

[503] Yeah, hang out.

[504] Murder again?

[505] I wanted to go to Dave and Busters.

[506] God damn it.

[507] He said we could go after, so I said, okay.

[508] All right.

[509] So next day, West is arrested.

[510] Lauren keeps talking, tells him about the 84 killing spree that they just shot two fucking random dudes who were, like, hanging out outside their car.

[511] And he confesses to killing a man, a 41 -year man named Henry Howell, he's at the side of his road with his broken car, and they just go up and shoot him.

[512] It's in 1984 in Hope Valley.

[513] In 2003 -year -old Wesley goes on trial for four murders, but Lauren's confession of what happened, his 17 -hour interrogation, is inadmissible because the tape couldn't be cross -examined.

[514] The jury finds him guilty, though, of first -degree murder in all four cases.

[515] he's offered a deal to sentencing that the death penalty would be off the table if they told him where the bodies of Cindy and Chevy were, but he also wanted the $20 ,000 reward that had been offered for their whereabouts.

[516] Sure.

[517] Absolutely.

[518] He found them.

[519] You should absolutely get $20 ,000 of the reward for finding you the murderer.

[520] That is totally how it works.

[521] Exactly.

[522] Sounds like our government.

[523] Let's just keep doing it.

[524] Let's just keep doing it.

[525] Oh, nice.

[526] long.

[527] It's fine.

[528] We're going to Vancouver tomorrow.

[529] We can just stay there if we need to.

[530] I forgot my passport.

[531] We might not.

[532] Oh, that's right.

[533] Yeah.

[534] Yeah.

[535] It's being worked out.

[536] My husband is a dear, sweet angel who's FedExing things.

[537] Okay, so, okay, the family about the $20 ,000 reward says, go fuck yourself.

[538] Yeah.

[539] No, no, no, no, no. Good.

[540] They said, so he's sentenced to death.

[541] Then Lauren has tried for the murder of five people, including Cindy.

[542] His video is admissible now.

[543] He's guilty of first degree in three killings, and he gets life without the possibility of parole.

[544] But wait, nope, it gets worse.

[545] In 2004, state appeals court overturned Lauren's conviction saying the police coerced his confession during the long interrogations.

[546] And they said that the police ignored his rights to remain silent, stepped up and deprived him of all this shit, a new trial order, but Herzog's lawyer worked out a plea deal with the prosecutors.

[547] He agreed to plead guilty to manslaughter.

[548] an accessory to murder in exchange for a 14 -year sentence with credit for a time served.

[549] So he's out on parole on September 18th, 2010.

[550] Wait a second.

[551] It's 2017.

[552] Yeah.

[553] He goes to live in like a shitty home.

[554] They keep an eye on him.

[555] He's got all this tracking device.

[556] But don't worry, you guys.

[557] He kills himself.

[558] Yay.

[559] Oh.

[560] That's real applause.

[561] So he basically, when he finds out that Wesley is going to tell them where the bodies are, he's like, oh, shit, and kills himself.

[562] He is offered $33 ,000.

[563] Wesley is by a bounty hunter to tell him where the bodies are.

[564] Whoa.

[565] I know.

[566] I think he tricked him, though.

[567] So, let's see.

[568] He provides maps to five burial sites where his victims could be found, referring to one of them as their bone yard.

[569] and they find Cindy and Chevy's bodies.

[570] And there's three separate burial sites and human remains are found there.

[571] At least 300 human bones of varying size as well as coats, shoes, purses, and jewelry from a well on the land in rural North Carolina.

[572] I thought for a second, I thought they fucking shift some bones.

[573] Go over here.

[574] They found other remains in a well and so dental records identify Cindy and Chevy and they find almost 1 ,000 human bone fragments in an old abandoned well and including a woman named Joanne Hobson.

[575] She was 16 years old, went missing in 85, and Wesley claims that there is as many as 72 victims.

[576] 72?

[577] In that amount of time.

[578] Can you believe that, like, I didn't even hear about that, these dudes.

[579] No, I've never heard of this.

[580] I've seen their names, but actually when I was doing this research, I had a go, there's no place that just explains what happened and, like, who got, who was, who disappeared?

[581] It's always like, there's an article about these two women who disappeared.

[582] There's an article about him killing himself.

[583] There's, like, little fragments, but there's nothing recent.

[584] No, so I had to make it.

[585] She's like, maybe make up some facts, whatever.

[586] I don't know, tattoos.

[587] You're not going to know if he has those tattoos, or not he's dead.

[588] That's crazy.

[589] Because that's so many.

[590] I know.

[591] I mean, why would you make, I don't know.

[592] It's just like, if it was from like 84 to 98, there's a lot of time in there.

[593] Yes.

[594] Well, they also believe that he's connected, they're connected.

[595] Almost 14 years.

[596] Is it 14?

[597] I don't.

[598] I don't know.

[599] Yes.

[600] They also believe that they may be connected to the 88 disappearance.

[601] of nine -year -old Michelle Garrick from Hayward.

[602] Remember that one?

[603] She was abducted on November 19th, 1988, in broad daylight, outside a grocery store.

[604] She found her scooter and had been moved next to a parked car and she goes to get it.

[605] Some motherfucker grabs her and puts her in the car and the, like, what's it called when they draw your face?

[606] Sketch.

[607] Thank you.

[608] I thought you said, what's it called when they draw on your face?

[609] I'm like, falling asleep at a frat party?

[610] What the fuck is, what is this story?

[611] Composite sketch of, yes.

[612] Got it, got it, got it.

[613] So the other, yes, and it looks just fucking like Lauren.

[614] Like, it's just creepy.

[615] And so she, her case was the first missing child case to be featured on America's Most Wanted.

[616] So Wesley, one of the speed freak dudes, wrote a letter saying that Lauren committed, no, no, no, that's a copy and paste mistake, that he said that they should look into what happened, into that Hayward girl and actually found shoes at the bottom of the well that looked like the one she was wearing that day.

[617] I know, sweet baby.

[618] Okay, so Central Valley Department destroyed a bunch of missing person record, though, so we might not ever know that.

[619] Wow.

[620] What?

[621] I just said wow.

[622] Oh, I thought you said what.

[623] Oh, no, sorry.

[624] I said wow too fast.

[625] Yeah.

[626] Okay.

[627] And the other suspected victims that have been let her look like is Terry Ann Forcher from Reno, Dina McCann, she was last seen getting gas near Lodi while two men were bothering her.

[628] And then Kimberly and Billy disappeared from Stockton and Robin Armtrout, whose body was found stabbed with death and was last him getting into a car with two men and the car matched the description of Wesley's.

[629] So he's still on death row and when he's like opening up lot more now and he said it's good i know he said doing some poetry and stuff like really accessing his feeling he's like doing the thing of like oh yeah i fucked up okay i get it my son won't talk to me anymore so i know how these parents feel of losing their children not even fucking getting well i mean look i don't know there's nothing i thought we were going to have some wisdom for me look here's um look meth is bad yeah um it really is he says now to think about all that stuff I did, I try not to.

[630] I would have nightmares.

[631] Fuck you, pal.

[632] Night night, night, motherfucker.

[633] Wow.

[634] Speed freak killers.

[635] The speed freak killers, everybody.

[636] Shit.

[637] Yeah, that's your fucking doing, Northern California.

[638] You guys didn't do it.

[639] All right, now I get comfy.

[640] Oh, now you're going to dig in.

[641] Yeah, let's do it.

[642] Wow.

[643] Mine also did drugs.

[644] He did a lot of drugs.

[645] My guy, he doesn't really have a funny nickname, like many of them do, although you've probably heard of him.

[646] His name is Herbert Mullin.

[647] And Herbert Mullin, thank you, Herbert Mullin is the serial killer from, it's Fenton, California, near Santa Cruz.

[648] And represent go banana slugs.

[649] Is that a thing?

[650] Yeah, this UC Santa Cruz mascot is a banana slug.

[651] Yes.

[652] She fucking with me?

[653] Really?

[654] The children, they got to vote on their own mascot.

[655] And because irony is fun, they chose a banana slug.

[656] No, no. Never let children choose anything important.

[657] We were the, when I was in soccer, we were the teal tornado.

[658] Like, you just get to pick your own stupid things and kids are dumb.

[659] you know.

[660] Well, I mean, it is college.

[661] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[662] That's even worse.

[663] Wow, really?

[664] Yeah.

[665] I'm disappointed.

[666] They love pot.

[667] So, who doesn't?

[668] So Herbert Mellon was the guy.

[669] You may have heard of him.

[670] It happened in the 70s.

[671] He was the one that was active at the same time as Edmund Kemper, the co -ed killer, who was also in Santa Cruz.

[672] So Santa Cruz, in the early 70s, had two full -on serial killers at the same time.

[673] earning it the nickname Murderville, USA.

[674] Yeah.

[675] Our own little Santa Cruz.

[676] Work, live, play.

[677] Murderville, US.

[678] Murder?

[679] Bum out.

[680] But unlike Edmund Kemper, Herbert Mullen was killing for our benefit.

[681] He believed that he had to make human sacrifices so that earthquakes wouldn't.

[682] Hit California.

[683] Did anyone ever tell him that earthquakes are kind of fun, though?

[684] No, he's clearly very scared of earthquakes.

[685] Idiot.

[686] He didn't want them to happen.

[687] And let me tell you about him.

[688] I'll tell you a little bit about him.

[689] So he was born on April 18, 19, 1947, to a very strict Catholic family.

[690] He was in high school.

[691] He was good -looking, athletic, and polite.

[692] The trifecta.

[693] No. Be careful.

[694] I'm telling you, it is not good to peek in high.

[695] high school.

[696] Psychotic or charming?

[697] Somewhere in between is what you want.

[698] If you're hiding behind those beautiful teeth, good luck.

[699] Yeah.

[700] He was actually voted most likely to succeed.

[701] And he did, I guess.

[702] And he, well, it's some saw it as a success.

[703] After graduating in 1965, he went to college.

[704] He majored in engineering, and he considered following in his father's footsteps of joining in the military.

[705] but the turning point of his otherwise normal life came around the time when his best friend was killed in a car accident and this was the first moment where he his a psychotic episode was triggered so he was right at the age where schizophrenia starts to show in young men and basically it was the stress and the grief he had this psychotic episode and his behavior became began to change entirely.

[706] And his family started to get really scared of him.

[707] So his friend died.

[708] He built a shrine in his room to his friend.

[709] He started arranging all the furniture in his room around the shrine, and he was sit at it for hours and hours alone.

[710] He had to break up with his girlfriend, explaining to her that he thought he was turning gay because of the shrine.

[711] You know how to just turn into a gay?

[712] Just slowly turning, turning, turning.

[713] He was going to let her know when he turned entirely.

[714] But he didn't feel comfortable leading her on.

[715] I'm lying about all that part.

[716] He became obsessed with the concept of reincarnation, and he became increasingly paranoid, and he started hearing voices.

[717] So his behavior was really scaring his family because he was starting to do super weird things like beg his sister for sex.

[718] What?

[719] So gay.

[720] Such a gay move.

[721] And he also was doing a thing that he began to compulsively imitate every movement his brother -in -law made.

[722] His sister was also married.

[723] So it was sinful in many ways that he was begging her for sex.

[724] The movement was sex.

[725] Yes.

[726] Is that the move?

[727] No, no. Just every movement.

[728] So this is actually a real disorder called echopraxia.

[729] Really?

[730] Echopraxia is when you have the compulsion to imitate every single thing a person does.

[731] Even if you don't ever want to, you just have to keep doing it.

[732] It's a compulsion.

[733] And Echolalia is the compulsion to repeat anything someone says.

[734] What's the compulsion to want to screw your sister?

[735] Gross.

[736] I guess that's called Game of Thrones.

[737] Yay!

[738] Thank you.

[739] All the way up in the back.

[740] Fucking pro over here.

[741] Okay, so in the early 70s, in an attempt to calm himself, he began to take huge doses of LSD.

[742] Oh, fuck.

[743] A perfect solution.

[744] He also was taking a lot of amphetamines.

[745] Yeah, just a little bit to bring him up after he went into the other dimension.

[746] That sounds like a, no. For a little energy.

[747] I'm not a doctor, but if you're feeling paranoid, think you're seeing things acid isn't the way it's just not it's a non -solution and if you're paranoid and think you're seeing things because you're on acid meth isn't the way yeah that's right let's not don't double down no no no no no yeah don't go into the white drug area like pick a drug no don't do drugs you guys don't do drugs but if you're but if you're gonna you know listen you go you know ow you know you know just hit myself in the face with the mic what's up and I wanted to tell you.

[748] Oh, I wrote here, maybe try some aromatic oils.

[749] You love yourself at that moment?

[750] Writing is fun.

[751] I was having a great time drinking this huge thing of coffee.

[752] I was enjoying myself.

[753] So Herbert came to believe that his friend's death had been a part of a grand cosmic plan and he changed his college major from engineering to philosophy.

[754] He became obsessed with reincarnation, religion, and, take note, impending natural, disasters.

[755] So in 1969, he was finally diagnosed with severe paranoid schizophrenia, and he allowed his family to commit him to Mendocino State Hospital, one of the many state hospitals that doesn't exist anymore because they cut the funding for mental health, which is fucked.

[756] Let's see what we can do to fix that.

[757] Is your mom work?

[758] Did your mom work there?

[759] Mendicino's way up north, but she did work in a state hospital, yeah.

[760] you can't let a city go bye can you well it's all of California has come to see us tonight I don't know a single person here no there's nobody on my no there was okay you don't know what if you find out that you do okay so Herbert spent the following years oh he sorry he went to Mendocino State Hospital I preach preach preach and then the back half of that was he checked himself out six weeks later so then he spent the following years drifting around Northern California, working small -time jobs, spending short periods of time in various mental institutions.

[761] He practiced yoga, meditation, ate a macrobiotic diet, yet he was vocally ultra -conservative.

[762] And essential oils, probably.

[763] Maybe he was using some essential oils, which was my idea.

[764] He spent time as an amateur boxer.

[765] Some brain injury right there.

[766] Yeah, that's tough.

[767] He actually had to be forcibly removed from the ring.

[768] when he wouldn't stop beating his opponent.

[769] Hey, hey, you're an amateur.

[770] You don't have to kill that guy.

[771] At one point, he attempted to join the priesthood.

[772] And they were like, no thanks.

[773] Which is really saying something.

[774] All right.

[775] So, in this time, Herbert is fixating on impending natural disasters, of course, also doing tons of acid.

[776] and he comes up with a theory.

[777] He becomes convinced that nature requires a blood sacrifice to keep the next big earthquake from hitting California.

[778] He theorized that the violence during the Vietnam War had been enough bloodshed to control earthquakes throughout the late 60s, but now that the war was over, there was nothing to stop the big one from destroying the state.

[779] I mean, how does he know the percentage of blood to like the percentage of years, like the number of years.

[780] You know what I mean?

[781] Because he was an engineer.

[782] No, I know.

[783] He's like a typical like, oh, actually, it's just much blood.

[784] Like, of course.

[785] This is how many people were killed in Vietnam.

[786] You can't get like that.

[787] No, Herbert.

[788] Herbert believed that because his birthday was April 18th, same day as the 1906 earthquake that leveled San Francisco and the death day of Albert Einstein, that this made him the leader of his generation.

[789] That's all you need is fucking a birthday.

[790] One good birthday.

[791] And as the leader, it was his job to make sure enough people die to prevent the big one from killing everyone.

[792] So he had to begin murdering people for the good of mankind.

[793] Before that, and I swear to God, this classic cut and paste, before that, he had considered relocating.

[794] to Canada.

[795] Wish you'd done that.

[796] I think you'd have your murder for tomorrow.

[797] That's right.

[798] I'd just do Herbert Mullen up there.

[799] So it turns out Herbert Mullen hates maple syrup.

[800] All right.

[801] So it starts.

[802] On October 13th, 1972, Herbert Mullen is 24 years old.

[803] He drives home to visit his parents.

[804] Oh, in Feltin, California, sorry, not Fenton.

[805] I said Fenton It's Felton My apologies to the mayor And the comp troller So if you don't know Felton is this tiny town It's north of Santa Cruz On the Nine It's right in those like Right Give it up for the Nine Everybody One of the better Small Highways of California There's Redwoods everywhere It's actually gorgeous Okay It's so gorgeous Perfect place to put a body, I bet.

[806] That's right.

[807] It's also where I went to camp.

[808] Oh, my God.

[809] So, yeah, Camp St. Andrews.

[810] Children's live bodies at a camp.

[811] I mean, wait for it.

[812] Okay, so as he's driving down, he's going back to visit his parents, and he later tells police that this is when he received a telepathic message from his father saying, Herb, I want you to kill me somebody.

[813] Oh.

[814] Um, so you don't listen to your parents all your life, and this is when you're going to fucking start listening to your, come on, Herb.

[815] Dad's drinking a ham, beer at ham's beer at home.

[816] I'm like, well, I don't fucking...

[817] I didn't do it?

[818] Yeah, don't bring me into this shit.

[819] Okay.

[820] So, Herbert Mullen's seat, as he's driving on the nine, he sees a homeless man named Lawrence White, who is on the side of the road.

[821] So what he does is he pulls over and he lifts the hood of his car, feigning car trouble.

[822] And when the man comes over to ask him.

[823] if he needs any help, Herbert Mullen bludgeoned him to death with a baseball bat and leaves his body where it lays.

[824] And that man is found a few days later.

[825] Days?

[826] A few days later.

[827] On the side of the road?

[828] Yeah, because it's like way up in Forestland.

[829] It's remote.

[830] So less than two weeks later, it gets worse.

[831] Should I sing this song?

[832] It gets so much worse.

[833] And it really didn't.

[834] No, thank you.

[835] Oh, thank you.

[836] but also it really does two weeks later Herbert picked up a hitchhiker named Mary Guilfoyle who was a student at UC Santa Cruz don't cheer for it because listen to this he stabbed her in the heart in his car then he brought her body into the woods near the roadside he cut her open he hanged her intestines from tree branches and he examined them for pollution.

[837] Yes.

[838] For fuck sake.

[839] Her remains weren't found for several months.

[840] And when they were discovered, the police assumed that this murder was the work of Edmund Kemper.

[841] Because, you know, they weren't like, oh, it could be another fucking serial killer in Santa Cruz.

[842] You know, that other one.

[843] Yeah.

[844] Why don't you guys just go on that roller, coaster down by the sea and relax all right so mary gilfoyle's murder haunted mullins so to the point where on november 2nd all souls day he walked into lasgadas catholic church he took confession with father henry tomsey and he confessed everything no he talked about these murders in detail but then when he was done a voice told him that this priest was offering himself up as a sacrifice.

[845] How many times I have to warn you?

[846] So, Mullen stabbed Father Tompsey to death in the confessional and then walked out of the church.

[847] But then how do we know that he said all that to him?

[848] Sorry?

[849] How do we know that he confessed all that to him then?

[850] He told the police everything.

[851] Oh, I get the other one.

[852] Okay.

[853] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[854] He proudly told his own story at the end of this insanity.

[855] Okay.

[856] So, then he tries to enlist in the Marine Corps.

[857] a natural next step and though he did pass both the physical and psychiatric exams he was rejected when they brought up his arrest record and saw his history of bizarre behavior also he was colorblind but otherwise you're fine and that's fine what flat feet get out of here he later claimed that he never would have become a serial killer or if he had just been accepted into the Marines.

[858] You've already killed three fucking people, dude.

[859] It's kind of a fake excuse.

[860] You have to admit.

[861] Maybe.

[862] So this rejection affects him a lot to the point where he stops taking massive amounts of asset every day.

[863] But his severe violent paranoid schizophrenia is out of control, totally untreated.

[864] He believes that this rejection from the Marines is just, another example of the conspiracy against him in his life.

[865] He also accuses his parents of participating in his conspiracy.

[866] He accuses them of being, quote, killjoy reincarnationalists, which is not a real thing.

[867] Who believed their next lives would be more enjoyable if they made the current lives of others miserable.

[868] Oh, man, can you imagine just being a parent?

[869] You're like, I want to have babies.

[870] I do too.

[871] I love you.

[872] And then you just have this fucking asshole.

[873] Yeah.

[874] You just birth an asshole out onto the fucking table.

[875] Man. Tough.

[876] But also, it's kind of funny because then, also, then I just think of, like, when you're 13, it's kind of just a teenage mentality of, like, my parents live to make everyone else's lives awful.

[877] They're reincarnationist, didn't it?

[878] Fucking reincarnationalist.

[879] All right.

[880] So, swept up in his paranoid delusions, Mullen decides to.

[881] to kill Jim Janera, his high school pot dealer.

[882] Oh.

[883] That's a weird choice.

[884] It doesn't work that way, Herbert.

[885] He believes that because Jim sold him pot, that he was part of the plot to destroy his mind and that he had to avenge himself.

[886] You guys, like, I fucking sold you oregano, dude.

[887] Damn it.

[888] That was a pot.

[889] Why isn't it ever your fault, Herb?

[890] Why isn't it on you ever?

[891] All right.

[892] So around the same time, a voice told Mullen to buy a gun because it would be a cleaner way of killing people.

[893] I mean, I guess if you're going to go like, never mind, I'm not going to do it.

[894] On January 25th, 1973, Herbert Mullen drove to Jim Janera's house or where Jim Gennara lived when they were in high school.

[895] When he got there, he met current resident Kathy Francis.

[896] and she explained that Janera didn't live there anymore Herbert explained that he was a friend of Jim's and so Kathy gave Mullen Jim's new address.

[897] That night Mullen drove to the Janera's new home and shot and killed Jim Janera and his wife Joan and then stabbed them both repeatedly post -mortem.

[898] Oh no!

[899] He then went back and murdered Kathy Francis.

[900] No, I thought she got away.

[901] And her two young sons.

[902] Guys, it's in the name, my favorite murder.

[903] You know what I mean?

[904] Because both Jim Janera and Kathy Francis's husband had dealt drugs at one time, the police assumed that both of the murders being the same MO had to be drug -related.

[905] Please.

[906] Less than two weeks later, Mullin saw four teenage boys camping in Henry Cowell, Redwood State Park.

[907] You've been there?

[908] Oh, yeah.

[909] In fact, I didn't have time to look it up, but that might be where we went to camp.

[910] I'm not kidding.

[911] I'm serious.

[912] Well, there's a bunch of state parks, but I would like it to be.

[913] These boys were David Olegger, 18, Robert Specter, 18, Brian Card 19, and Mark Drable Bis 15.

[914] Mullins approached them, posing as a park ranger, and told them to leave, claiming that they were polluting the park.

[915] Oh, there's that word again.

[916] Fucking hippies.

[917] When the boys dismissed him, he pulled the gun, shot them all one by one.

[918] He stole a rifle from that campsite, and then he left.

[919] Herbert Mullins' final murder took place on February 13th, 1973.

[920] Holy fuck.

[921] 73 -year -old Fred Perez was gardening in his front yard.

[922] Mullen drove by and shot him with the rifle that he stole from that campsite.

[923] Luckily, a neighbor witnessed the whole thing.

[924] wrote down Mullen's license plate number, called the police, and Herbert Mullen was arrested shortly thereafter with no incident.

[925] It is a nice feeling, isn't it?

[926] Yeah, they got him.

[927] And he was arrested without incident.

[928] He was just like, yep, all right, we're done here.

[929] Wow.

[930] But then they get to the police station.

[931] This is kind of my favorite part.

[932] They get to the police station, and Mullen was totally uncooperative.

[933] His response to every question the police asked was, Silence!

[934] Which you have to admit would be kind of fun if you got arrested.

[935] Yeah.

[936] And then police were like, where were you on that?

[937] Silence!

[938] I'm going to try it next time I get arrested, I think.

[939] Or really, any time.

[940] You're welcome, too.

[941] Thank you.

[942] So, when Edmund Kemper, the co -ed killer, was arrested, he and Mullen were briefly held in a...

[943] joining souls.

[944] Santa Cruz.

[945] Besties.

[946] Santa Cruz, best friends.

[947] Killing all around the forest.

[948] Do you think they're between blood brothers but through the...

[949] Yeah.

[950] Keep it up.

[951] Keep it up, you fucking psycho.

[952] Kempter actually accused Mullen of stealing his dump sites, which is...

[953] Hey, Ed.

[954] Ed, relax.

[955] He didn't even use dump sites, you fucking idiot.

[956] There's enough for...

[957] Everyone.

[958] Eventually, Herbert Mullen confessed to all 13 murders explaining to police that these human sacrifices were necessary for earthquake prevention.

[959] Only you can prevent forest fires, he said, to the police.

[960] And then he yelled, silence.

[961] Is that how they came up with the, only you can prevent forest flies?

[962] Oh, did you know that?

[963] He looked a little bit like a bear.

[964] And they were like, hold on.

[965] And he was naked from the waist down.

[966] with a hat on.

[967] Really deep voice.

[968] He also claimed that he had telepathically asked those four boys at the campsite if he could kill them and that they'd all given him permission.

[969] At least two of them would have been like, fuck now?

[970] You know?

[971] Yeah, that's when the police began to beat him senseless.

[972] Really?

[973] It's not on the internet anywhere, but we can pretty much be assured.

[974] Okay.

[975] In the end, Mullen was found guilty of two counts of first remorse.

[976] murder because they proved that Kathy Francis and Jim Janera's murders were premeditated.

[977] But everything else, they could not prove that also because he was so insane.

[978] So he had eight counts of second degree murder.

[979] He was sentenced to life in prison.

[980] He will be eligible for parole in 2021 when he is 74 years old.

[981] I doubt it'll work.

[982] I doubt it'll work out.

[983] Probably not.

[984] But, you know.

[985] Yeah, that's it.

[986] That's all.

[987] I don't care what the fucking specter of your dad is selling you.

[988] Don't go off your meds.

[989] Yeah.

[990] If you hear voices, and I mean like even if there's someone standing behind you and lying talking, get on those meds.

[991] Yep.

[992] I agree.

[993] Fuck.

[994] I agree.

[995] I think we have time to do a hometown murder.

[996] I think so too.

[997] Now here's the cool part.

[998] We know who we're going to pick.

[999] Yeah.

[1000] Because her name is Chloe.

[1001] Yeah.

[1002] Where are you?

[1003] No?

[1004] Oh, she was fucking lying.

[1005] She was fucking with us.

[1006] Is there any way to bring these lights up a little bit?

[1007] Chloe, you said you were going to be at the back of the orchestra pit.

[1008] That's what this is, I think, right?

[1009] I hear her.

[1010] Chloe.

[1011] Chloe, do you know what an orchestra pit is?

[1012] Because if you're yelling from anywhere that's not here.

[1013] Did we forget to tell them that we're going to have someone from the audience?

[1014] Chloe, you're from Oakland.

[1015] There she is.

[1016] Chloe, listen to my voice.

[1017] See that girl that's waving her arms?

[1018] Go to her.

[1019] Jesus Christ.

[1020] We rehearsed this 15 times.

[1021] That poor baby.

[1022] If she wasn't nervous before.

[1023] I know.

[1024] Now we really built it up.

[1025] Now I'm mad at her.

[1026] Get out here.

[1027] God damn it.

[1028] These people are waiting.

[1029] That's Georgia.

[1030] That's Chloe.

[1031] Yes, I am.

[1032] Chloe tweeted at us.

[1033] It's fine.

[1034] I just signed up for Twitter yesterday.

[1035] Oh, my God.

[1036] What's your handle?

[1037] What's your handle?

[1038] What's your handle?

[1039] We'll get you some follow.

[1040] Chloe Doors?

[1041] D -O -O -R -S?

[1042] That's adorable.

[1043] There's a couple.

[1044] There she goes.

[1045] She's going to have these 2 ,000 followers by tomorrow.

[1046] Let's center up.

[1047] Let's center up, Chloe.

[1048] None of this is real, so don't work.

[1049] Let's get a nice stage picture.

[1050] Chloe, you'd be in the middle.

[1051] I can't see any of you.

[1052] Yeah, I know, right?

[1053] Just don't look at them.

[1054] Okay.

[1055] You have a hometown murder for us.

[1056] I root it down.

[1057] Really?

[1058] Yeah, I can't do this.

[1059] Okay, all right.

[1060] I got it.

[1061] I have to read it.

[1062] All right.

[1063] I mean, we wish you would have memorized it.

[1064] That's what we do.

[1065] Just wing it.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] I'd like to pull a Van Morrison and just face the back of the stage right now.

[1068] Yes.

[1069] Radio.

[1070] Here we go.

[1071] my back while I tell you this.

[1072] We can all do it.

[1073] Okay, wait.

[1074] Let's really quick.

[1075] Okay.

[1076] Where are you from?

[1077] I'm from Fairfax.

[1078] I love Fairfax.

[1079] Tiny, tiny town in Marin, not far from Petaluma.

[1080] Who are you here with?

[1081] This is why I tweeted you avidly.

[1082] Okay.

[1083] Fairfax.

[1084] Anyway.

[1085] Who are you here with?

[1086] I'm here with my husband.

[1087] Hi.

[1088] Luke and my good friend, Katie.

[1089] I can't see you guys.

[1090] I'm pointing like I can see you.

[1091] It's fine.

[1092] Yay.

[1093] See you guys tomorrow.

[1094] I'm going to hang out with Karen and Georgia tonight.

[1095] No, she's not.

[1096] Uh -oh.

[1097] Oh, I am.

[1098] Okay, so let's hear this hometown story.

[1099] Is this a Fairfax murder?

[1100] No, it's very close.

[1101] Teralinda.

[1102] Okay.

[1103] It's...

[1104] Teralinda.

[1105] Super creepy.

[1106] This is called the barbecue murders.

[1107] I'm not fucking with you.

[1108] I wrote it down.

[1109] I'm terrified right now.

[1110] Just read it.

[1111] Is like a weird suburban colony of San Rafael.

[1112] It's not a town.

[1113] It's where the mall is.

[1114] that's where you go to go to the mall.

[1115] That's right.

[1116] It's eerie.

[1117] It's super weird there.

[1118] So I'm just going to read because I will start talking and barfing all over here.

[1119] That'd be kind of cool.

[1120] That's what our podcast motto is.

[1121] We're super punk rock like that.

[1122] I was born in 1982.

[1123] It was a rainy day in October.

[1124] There's this thing about Terralinda.

[1125] It just feels like it was stuck in the 80s.

[1126] It's like you go there to go to the mall.

[1127] and it's the 80s and it's creepy.

[1128] And there's a Kaiser up on the hill.

[1129] And there's a Kaiser and Mall.

[1130] That's all that there is there.

[1131] And a bunch of tract housing and like a sizzler.

[1132] Yeah.

[1133] I used to get my allergy shots at that Kaiser three times a week.

[1134] Did you really?

[1135] Yeah.

[1136] Oh.

[1137] Anyway, this really horrible double murder happened there in 1975.

[1138] Okay.

[1139] Here come my notes.

[1140] Let's hear him.

[1141] By a 16 -year -old girl named Marlene Olive and her fucking, loser boyfriend named Chuck Chuck.

[1142] He was 20.

[1143] She was 16 and he was 20.

[1144] It was the 70s.

[1145] Every 20 year old in the 70s was named Chuck.

[1146] And dating a 16 year old.

[1147] Yeah.

[1148] This is the guy that sold drugs to the high school kids.

[1149] Not for money, but to be cool.

[1150] Yeah.

[1151] And remember we were all like, oh my goodness.

[1152] Are you just theorizing?

[1153] I got that off Wikipedia.

[1154] Okay, okay, okay.

[1155] Girl, you know.

[1156] Okay.

[1157] Anyway, they started dating, and Marlene was really troubled, and she was adopted, and she found out when she was really young, that she was adopted on accident, so she was all kinds of fucked up.

[1158] She wasn't adopted on accident.

[1159] She was adopted, and she found out on accident.

[1160] She found out on accident.

[1161] I heard some gasps.

[1162] Like, what the fuck?

[1163] We have a kid now.

[1164] No, we have to keep her.

[1165] You got the wrong luggage at the airport.

[1166] Oh, well.

[1167] Oh, wow.

[1168] She had a great relationship with her adoptive father, but her adoptive mother was a schizophrenic alcoholic who was psychotic and was really mean to her and basically told her that her birth mom was a prostitute and she was going to be one, too, and all the stuff that makes you fucked up.

[1169] I mean, yes, and then young Marlene yelled back sex worker.

[1170] Exactly.

[1171] Exactly.

[1172] It was the 70s.

[1173] It was the 70s.

[1174] And needless to say, it was the 70s, Marlene got super into the occult.

[1175] Oh, yeah.

[1176] It's not real.

[1177] And doing lots of drugs.

[1178] And she hated her mom, obviously, because she was crazy and super mean.

[1179] And she decided that her parents had to die.

[1180] And she also decided that her loser boyfriend had to be the one to kill them.

[1181] Oh, that's a good call, actually.

[1182] Keep your hands clean, Marlene.

[1183] right I mean you gotta be 16 not so dumb anyway she had all the control in the relationship obviously because he agreed to do it so one day she leaves the house with her dad and Chuck sneaks in and kills Naomi her mom with a hammer and a knife and some other stuff and then Marlene's dad Jim comes home finds Chuck and Chuck shoots him as well.

[1184] So both parents are dead.

[1185] Oh, no. Mission accomplished.

[1186] And that's the end of it?

[1187] So Chuck and Marlene clean up the place and take the bodies to this beautiful state park in Santa Fe called China Camp.

[1188] China Camp, yeah.

[1189] I've had a Mickey's Big Mouth or two there myself.

[1190] Oh, my God.

[1191] Gorgeous, gorgeous.

[1192] I can't.

[1193] go there ever again and also just FYI the barbecue pit that they set the parents on fire has been removed so don't try to find it yeah don't worry about it you're like why does this burger taste hence the barbecue yeah I'm a vegan set mom and dad on fire went home kind of right after they did that because like logic left them burning oh yeah oh yeah And then they went to go live in the Olive's home for about three days.

[1194] The plan was to wait until the parents were pronounced dead, and they collected the life insurance, and then they could go move to Ecuador.

[1195] Yeah, so simple as that.

[1196] Live their lives.

[1197] I can't imagine that plan didn't involve a joint at some point.

[1198] Apparently, they went to a yes concert.

[1199] Oh, my God.

[1200] Do not blame the time.

[1201] During that time.

[1202] Do not blame the...

[1203] I don't even care.

[1204] I don't even...

[1205] Anyway, they were caught, of course, because they're idiots.

[1206] He's in prison for life.

[1207] She went to some juvenile something.

[1208] She was 15 or 16.

[1209] She was released after two years, moved to L .A., became some superstar in the, like, forgery.

[1210] She did a lot of forgery.

[1211] Oh, yeah.

[1212] And you now know her at Gwyneth Pett?

[1213] I thought that's where you were going.

[1214] She's a superstar.

[1215] Don't say anything.

[1216] The similarities are uncanny.

[1217] Uncanny.

[1218] We all have pasts.

[1219] I quickly have two connections to this murder besides just being a super weird kid and totally obsessed with this at the age of 10.

[1220] I made my mom drive me to the house that had happened in.

[1221] Yes.

[1222] And your mom did it.

[1223] Oh, yeah.

[1224] Yes.

[1225] She was like secretly.

[1226] thing kind of into it even she was like this is weird if I had a 10 year old everyone says that yeah she was into it we drove by but the really creepy thing is that when I was 13 I started babysitting for a family about a block away from that house and it's all tracked housing there so all the houses are the same in the best -selling true crime book by Richard Levine about this story called bad blood a Marin County family murder Oh, so there's a colon at the end of blood.

[1227] Okay.

[1228] He draws a layout of the home where both of these parents were murdered, and it's exactly the same as the house that I used to babysit in.

[1229] And I just remember being 13 and putting these kids down and walking around and being like, this is where this happened.

[1230] I'm scintillated and excited and terrified.

[1231] Pretty much everything I'm feeling right now.

[1232] I'm done.

[1233] That's it.

[1234] trusted the tweet what's that nothing that was magical yeah i love when that happens and it's not like some weird person i know it never is no i've been we've done it twice yeah it's true that is true i just like that what if we didn't if we were just like forget it we're not going to do that and then she would have that little folded up piece of paper in her pocket but that's not what happened everybody now oh really stephen offered to drive drive up from Los Angeles to bring my passport.

[1235] Oh, my.

[1236] Okay.

[1237] I got to tell you what.

[1238] Ever since Stephen has been promoted from just like the guy that records our podcast so we don't have to like move the dials and stuff, we were like, Stephen, you please help us with these emails.

[1239] And he's like, okay, I totally will.

[1240] He's completely organized all of our hometown murder emails.

[1241] But now he's turned into like the super assistant where like, what did he say?

[1242] He was like...

[1243] He said, what are you going to text today?

[1244] Yes.

[1245] He was like, hey, I just want to let you know you're on your waiter hotel, and they have a printer, so if you need to print out your story, that it's there.

[1246] And I'm like, I know how fucking hotels work, Stephen.

[1247] He's doing...

[1248] He's like, calling hotels.

[1249] Yes, I need to speak to the business center, please.

[1250] Do you have paper?

[1251] She likes this kind of grain.

[1252] Don't look her in the eye when she goes into the business center.

[1253] I actually didn't print it up there, and I was going to send it to them, but it said speed freak killers the name of the documents.

[1254] I was like, I'm going to print it up the venue.

[1255] Just a little paperwork for my job.

[1256] Yeah.

[1257] So yes, hi to Stephen Ray Morris for being an angel baby.

[1258] Stephen Ray Morris.

[1259] The Fox Theater in Oakland, California.

[1260] Love you for getting tickets and fucking being a part of our world.

[1261] First night of our tour.

[1262] Stay sexy.

[1263] And Joe get me.