Jenna Ortega

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome.

[1] Now, I'm chair expert.

[2] I'm Dan Shepard.

[3] I'm joined by Mrs. Monica Lilly, Padman, Minister of Duluth.

[4] Hello.

[5] Hello, we have our new favorite actress on.

[6] I wasn't sure if I was going to commit to actor or actress, and it got burbled.

[7] Did you hear that?

[8] I go, we have our new favorite actress.

[9] That's what I have an actorist.

[10] Isn't there some sort of pushback on that, but I don't even understand it?

[11] I have always made an effort to just say actor.

[12] You have.

[13] Yes, because it sounds weird that there's an actor and then there's an actor, an actress.

[14] Like it's less than.

[15] Yes, like it's a deviation of what an actor.

[16] You're ahead of the game, I think.

[17] But I've been trying to do that for years.

[18] And then sometimes I don't know.

[19] It sounds preposterous to say it.

[20] I don't know.

[21] So John just came out as actress.

[22] Maybe that's a good compromise.

[23] Actorist.

[24] But you're aware of pushback?

[25] There's something about that.

[26] Like, I think you're right.

[27] I guess people.

[28] It'd be like if there was a firefighter.

[29] And a firefighteress.

[30] Yeah, you're right.

[31] That is bad.

[32] It's like, what?

[33] No, they're both fighting fires.

[34] Both people are acting.

[35] Right.

[36] What are a word show is going to do, though?

[37] Well, they'll probably say best female actor or best male actor.

[38] Oh, God.

[39] We can't say female or male anymore either.

[40] What if they say best actor with titties?

[41] That could work.

[42] How big do they have to be?

[43] Just titties.

[44] Some people are very flat chest.

[45] Testes and tities.

[46] Those are the new categories.

[47] I don't know because, Men have...

[48] Here are your nominees for best titties.

[49] You have titties.

[50] I don't have titties.

[51] I have tits.

[52] Okay.

[53] We're joking and that is a joke, obviously.

[54] But there's something about feeling so protective of all of this, that then you end up there where you're back to zero, where the category is titty.

[55] Yes, yes, yes.

[56] Which I don't actually like saying that.

[57] out loud because that's what a lot of people on the right would say like well we might as well just call it tities that like and I'm against that yeah like come on a lot of these things do become full circle the argument leads to a place that's definitely more marginalizing than it started at right like it's a weird thing anyway okay anyways that's neither here nor here we haven't even talked about the actor in question the actor in question is jenna ortega and listen we love Wednesday.

[58] Oh, my God.

[59] We loved it.

[60] Yeah.

[61] You've seen it more than once.

[62] So many times.

[63] How many times?

[64] Three?

[65] I keep it on in the background a lot, so it's hard to know.

[66] It's the greatest show.

[67] I want everyone to watch it.

[68] I think a lot of people think it's for kids.

[69] Exactly.

[70] That's what I thought, and then I was hooked, and I highly recommend it to anyone listening.

[71] Yeah, and as I say in this interview, I started it with the kids.

[72] They bailed out, a little too scow -y.

[73] Yeah, they were scow.

[74] And then we were fucking hooked.

[75] It's so good.

[76] I mean, you got Tim Burton.

[77] I mean, come on.

[78] But she is one of the primary reasons.

[79] It's so brilliant.

[80] I mean, she makes that show.

[81] If you listen to a fact check recently, we talk about how you had a hard time getting compliments for acting.

[82] Like, if someone stopped you on the street and they said, I love you.

[83] I loved you on parenthood or I love you.

[84] You would have a hard time.

[85] accepting that because you would say, well, that's not really mine.

[86] That's Jason Kato's.

[87] But look.

[88] Very trailing.

[89] Look where we are.

[90] Look where we're at.

[91] It's fine when I say it.

[92] It's not fine if you say it to me. Okay.

[93] Are we clear?

[94] Also, I'm an actor and she's an actor.

[95] So that's the difference.

[96] So it's different.

[97] Yeah.

[98] She's also in the Scream franchise.

[99] She's taking the reins on that with great success.

[100] The Fallout X stuck in the middle.

[101] She has a new movie coming out March 10th.

[102] scream six buckle the fuck up ghost face is back bitches this is not their copy I'm gonna try to sell the movie for them all right this is not the copy scream six buckle up bitches ghost face is back and he's gonna give it to you straight in your packadermis hung god Hassan Minaj oh wow isn't that a good trailer I bought in okay Please enjoy Jenna Ortega.

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[106] He's an armchair expert.

[107] How did you arrive?

[108] This would be great.

[109] Yeah.

[110] But I parked down the street because I didn't know if there was going to be parking here.

[111] Oh.

[112] Consider it and I'm an unfortunate.

[113] You should have parked here.

[114] Oh, it's nice outside.

[115] Everything is...

[116] Do you like walking?

[117] I do like walking.

[118] Jenna, they say it's going to be 81 today.

[119] Really?

[120] Yeah, today's supposed to hit 81.

[121] I know, I know.

[122] I've been getting chilly.

[123] Yeah, but after the two weeks of brain.

[124] I know.

[125] Yeah.

[126] I fucking hate wins.

[127] Yep.

[128] I hate wins so much.

[129] Especially where you're from, I imagine.

[130] Oh, yeah.

[131] It really gets howlwin out there.

[132] I lied to you.

[133] It's only in me some of it.

[134] But earlier in the week, it said 81, and I committed to that mentally.

[135] I like your shoes.

[136] We'll get into this, but you're so young and you're already a fashion icon.

[137] Monica is already looking at you for style cute.

[138] I said, wonder what she's going to wear.

[139] I feel like I would rather wear what you're wearing.

[140] Oh, my God.

[141] What a compliment.

[142] Wow.

[143] Okay, a lot of questions, and I don't know where to start.

[144] Let's just tell everyone what happened.

[145] I have dressed up for this occasion.

[146] He's got smoky eyeliner on.

[147] That's right.

[148] I have eye shadow on.

[149] I have, what's the one for your lashes?

[150] Mascar.

[151] I have mascara.

[152] I have mascara.

[153] I didn't notice a mascara.

[154] My wife did a whole eye pass.

[155] I thought your lashes were just naturally luscious.

[156] Listen, Jenna, they are pretty good, okay?

[157] And I pass them on to my daughters, and they have me to thank for that.

[158] But I'm in all black and white.

[159] I wanted, oh, I really want that sweater you have on the show.

[160] The checkered one?

[161] Oh, yeah.

[162] That was one of my favorites, actually.

[163] The whole time we were watching Kristen was on Etsy, she was looking everywhere to get that sweater.

[164] If I can locate it, I will let you know.

[165] Okay, that would be huge.

[166] Because I actually probably need that one too.

[167] Yeah, we all need it.

[168] I've predicted that this is going to lead a huge style revolution Wednesday.

[169] I think there's going to be a huge resurgence of, for lack of a better word, golf, although we'll not have the same sensibility as the original golf.

[170] I think that's on the way.

[171] What do you think about that prediction?

[172] I agree.

[173] I have to say my favorite thing to come out of the show, out of everything, is when I see little girls, their parents will post side by sides of them the day before and then them after watching Wednesday or like their eight -year -old daughter coming in with this black eyeliner and straight hair covering their face.

[174] And they're like, what are you doing?

[175] I love that.

[176] I love that.

[177] I think that's really cool.

[178] Oh, you spoke to so many people.

[179] Wednesday did, but you, you via Wednesday.

[180] Well, I can't wait for them to be older and look back and then have their goth face.

[181] That was my Wednesday period.

[182] That's good for everyone, I think.

[183] Yes.

[184] That's me in high school.

[185] I wasn't Goth, but I was New Wave and punk rock.

[186] So all of it felt really good.

[187] And I thought, oh, great, this is going to usher in this look that I've loved from my whole life into the mainstream.

[188] I feel like that's never a phase to be embarrassed about.

[189] I'm not at all.

[190] We just interviewed Paul Rudd.

[191] He and I were really bonding over the wild outfits we were putting together in the 90s in high school.

[192] Like what?

[193] Well, he was really in pink.

[194] He was going for it.

[195] He had a lot of pink ribbing.

[196] What do we call it?

[197] Yeah, piping.

[198] Piping.

[199] He wore his mother's gold slacks that had buckles on them.

[200] I don't think I ever saw that for him, but at the same time, I'm not surprised.

[201] Right?

[202] Well, I do think now he's so put together and kind of classic that it's a little shocking.

[203] Boring.

[204] No, we're not saying that.

[205] No, no, he's right up the middle, though.

[206] He's right straight up.

[207] You wouldn't have guessed it.

[208] That's what I loved about it.

[209] Yeah, it was mixed messages.

[210] Okay, I don't know where to start.

[211] Have you ever heard the show?

[212] No, that's great.

[213] I'm so happy you haven't.

[214] Have you ever done a podcast?

[215] One other time.

[216] And it was over Zoom.

[217] Which second podcast?

[218] Oh, my God.

[219] Which was the other podcast?

[220] It was with Penn Badgley from you.

[221] Okay.

[222] Yeah, so he brings his old coworkers.

[223] I almost got into that trip just now that Ingrid Bergman.

[224] What's her name?

[225] You?

[226] I'm not on a show named you.

[227] What?

[228] So stupid.

[229] Laura Ingram.

[230] Do you ever see that clip?

[231] Oh, my God.

[232] Oh, my God.

[233] Oh, my God.

[234] Do you know who she is?

[235] Same.

[236] She's a Fox correspondent.

[237] She's a, she's a, fondant.

[238] Yeah.

[239] She had some guests on, and the guest was saying, like, no, it's about measles.

[240] It was on you.

[241] And she's like, what?

[242] You, I've never done a show on measles?

[243] And he's like, no, no, the show you, on Netflix.

[244] And she goes, I'm not on a show on Netflix.

[245] She could not.

[246] She's completely.

[247] Is that actually what she sounds like?

[248] Yes.

[249] Oh, I wish.

[250] You need to watch it.

[251] It's worth it.

[252] Kristen does a perfect impersonation.

[253] of it and does it a couple times a day and I'm really...

[254] Should we call her?

[255] Yeah.

[256] Hold on.

[257] I got it.

[258] I do think she's on a Zoom.

[259] I don't care.

[260] Okay.

[261] Hi.

[262] Okay.

[263] You're on speaker and I know you're in the middle of the Zoom but there's a really important thing that you need to do.

[264] Jenna's never heard Laura Ingram mix up the show you.

[265] We need you to do it.

[266] I do.

[267] Do more.

[268] You got to do the whole thing, Mama.

[269] The show is called you.

[270] Well, okay.

[271] What's it called?

[272] It's called you I'm on Netflix called Laura Angrom Stupid What's he talking about It kind of sounds like a parent They were discussing measles We never get a show on measles They're stupid I'm yelling at her producer How stupid the person on the air was Oh it's so good Oh thank you Yes Thank you so much Jenna thank you as well I feel so enlightened He ends it by saying It's called you What's he talking about?

[273] You know what?

[274] We got to go to Adele.

[275] Go to Adele.

[276] Oh my God.

[277] All right.

[278] Thanks, love you for that.

[279] Okay.

[280] Love you.

[281] Bye.

[282] Was that a good sidebar?

[283] That was worth it.

[284] Yeah, I think so.

[285] I know your time's valuable.

[286] I just want to make sure that we're...

[287] I like the cutaway to Adele.

[288] That really put a perfect button.

[289] Do you look close?

[290] Yeah, I actually, I've been staying in Burbank for like the last couple of years, but I'm in the process of moving right now, but I mean last year, I think I spent a total of four nights in Los Angeles.

[291] Aye, aye, aye.

[292] And you'll definitely be coming to this side of town, right?

[293] This is where you belong.

[294] The east side?

[295] I don't know.

[296] Are you a beach girl?

[297] No. Where do you want to live in the city?

[298] I feel like this would really be right for you.

[299] You know what's hard?

[300] This part of town is really nice, but a lot of my friends are in Laurel Canyon.

[301] My only fear is it's pretty central, so I feel leaving the hill would be Listen, things happen over there.

[302] There's mudslides on Laurel Canyon.

[303] There's traffic jams sometimes that back up all the way to Mulholland.

[304] I worry about your ability to evacuate.

[305] Okay?

[306] I just want you to keep that in the back here.

[307] It's very parental of you.

[308] Yeah.

[309] We are living on a fault line, though, here.

[310] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[311] So buckle up for that if you come this way.

[312] But look, there's fault lines running through all that shit, too.

[313] But you're originally from Coachella.

[314] Coachella Valley, which more fault lines, actually.

[315] It's a bit closer to, like, San Andreas and all that.

[316] It is.

[317] Yeah.

[318] Yeah, but that's where I'm from, Indio, California.

[319] Indio.

[320] Okay, I drive through there nonstop.

[321] I can't imagine you have because you started acting when you were sick, so this would have escaped your purview.

[322] But do you know about Glamas?

[323] No, what is that?

[324] It's the huge sand dunes south of you another 80 miles.

[325] You go past Salton Sea, and then when Salton Sea, and then when Salt and C...

[326] 400 square miles of sand dunes.

[327] When you came in, you see all these ridiculous vehicles that are all over the yard, those are all to drive on the sand dunes with.

[328] Oh.

[329] Did you go?

[330] We go nonstop.

[331] Oh.

[332] It's his whole life.

[333] Oh, my God, it's ongoing and forever.

[334] And right when I get into Coachella Valley, I hop on the 86 South.

[335] That's where I part ways with the 10, and I go south to Glamis.

[336] And I would have thought where you grew up, there's got to be a bunch of shit kicker rednecks who go to the Glamis.

[337] Are there a bunch of shitheads out there?

[338] No, I feel like I'm kind of in the part of town where it's just a bunch of old retired people.

[339] Because it's like a very boring city, but you leave the neighborhood that I grew up in, and it's just dirt and tumbleweeds.

[340] It's pretty plain desert town.

[341] It's a vibe out there.

[342] Well, now it is.

[343] The last five, six years, suddenly everyone from L .A. is going there for staycation.

[344] And I think that that's initially what it was back in the 50s and 60s, because it was just out of paparazzi's reach.

[345] Yes.

[346] And then people stopped coming.

[347] And then now there's been like a research.

[348] And you have polar grounds out there.

[349] That's where they hold the festival, right?

[350] In India.

[351] Do you know Alia Shokat?

[352] She grew up in Palm Springs.

[353] Her dad owned a strip club out there.

[354] And she and I got into the vibe out there.

[355] A little methie.

[356] Maybe people living with their grandparents.

[357] That's what I mean.

[358] Yeah, it's a little close to Fresno.

[359] Yes.

[360] Yeah.

[361] You stopped kind of being there at what age?

[362] I did a Disney show a while back, so I had to spend more time in Los Angeles and that was when I was about 14.

[363] Yeah.

[364] You express an interest at six in acting.

[365] You do a monologue.

[366] Your mom post it.

[367] You get an agent.

[368] You're in a movie.

[369] Wait, post it on Instagram?

[370] No, on Facebook.

[371] On Facebook.

[372] And it was like four years later.

[373] I had been begging her.

[374] And she thought, no, there's no way in hell.

[375] What was a movie?

[376] the monologue from?

[377] It was from a book that they sold at Barnes & Noble and I think that you could actually still find it there.

[378] Oh, like a monologue book.

[379] Yeah, it's like a five -minute monologue book with a clock on it and she gave it to me as okay, here, shut up.

[380] You entertain yourself, do this.

[381] Obviously, she was supportive of us doing whatever, but that was...

[382] But also she wanted you just get the fuck out of her.

[383] You have a lot of siblings.

[384] You're one of six too.

[385] Yeah, exactly.

[386] This is important.

[387] But she thought it was funny that I memorized this dramatic monologue about my mother dying of cancer.

[388] Oh, so, yeah, so she posted.

[389] it.

[390] And then, yeah, somebody from high school saw it.

[391] Okay.

[392] Before that part, did anyone in your mom's friendship circle think, oh no, Gloria has cancer?

[393] What's your mom's name?

[394] Natalie.

[395] I think people were just kind of confused.

[396] She captioned it my little drama queen.

[397] Maybe there was some confusion.

[398] I don't know.

[399] Think about it.

[400] If I post a video of my daughter crying because her father has cancer, people might think, well, this is a weird way to announce you of cancer.

[401] And you're a great actress, so I bet it was good.

[402] Yeah.

[403] We haven't thought about this part.

[404] Have we?

[405] No. Do we want to call mom and ask her if anyone reached out concerned for her?

[406] Yeah, let's get her on.

[407] Oh, yeah.

[408] I love this.

[409] We're calling everyone.

[410] Yeah, we're going to make a lot of calls in this interview.

[411] Oh, Rob's getting, he's getting nervous.

[412] He's getting out some.

[413] Well, she can just do speaker.

[414] Rob can't wait to plug things into your phone.

[415] Hello?

[416] Just downloads.

[417] Hey, so I'm on the podcast right now.

[418] Ask her she's ever heard it, Armchair Expert.

[419] Have you ever heard of Armchair Expert?

[420] I have not, but I'm with Rebecca right now.

[421] And that's her most favorite podcast in the world.

[422] Oh, Rebecca must be a genius.

[423] Is that a sibling?

[424] We love Rebecca's a genius.

[425] I told her what you told me about needing to take a shit.

[426] And she's like, oh, my God.

[427] They only have one bathroom.

[428] They talk about it all the time in the attic.

[429] There's no door.

[430] Oh, you guys shit without a door?

[431] I mean, if that's what you want.

[432] But no, there's no door to that bathroom, as you see.

[433] So if you got to go to the bathroom, we step out.

[434] To our knowledge, no. Oh, my God.

[435] She's going to get there.

[436] Yeah, I literally on the way here, side.

[437] note, I had to shit my pants, like, immensely.

[438] I was in a meeting with the realtor, and I was trying to get the realtor to stop talking so that I could go to the restroom to leave.

[439] But he didn't, so then I texted my mom on the way here.

[440] I think I'm going to shit my pants.

[441] I'm genuinely scared.

[442] It's passed now, though.

[443] Wait, do you want to go into our nice house right there?

[444] No, because now I don't have to, so then I'm just going to sit there.

[445] It's going to be weird.

[446] Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, we have the brondole with the heated seat and the sprays.

[447] I used it like 10 minutes ago.

[448] Freak me at.

[449] Oh, they're too much for you.

[450] I'm a little scared by the warm seat.

[451] Too smart.

[452] It's a little too comforting.

[453] Okay.

[454] Back to the mission.

[455] The reason why we called you is because when you posted that video on Facebook and you said, oh, my little drama queen and I did the monologue where I was saying that my mother had cancer, did anyone actually think that you had cancer?

[456] Did anyone check in on you?

[457] No, because I put it to my little drama queen.

[458] Everyone understood, though.

[459] It wasn't confusing?

[460] No, but you confused me when you first said it because I didn't know it was from the book.

[461] And so when we were taking Isaac to baseball practice and we left the house, I just gave you the book to just shut you up.

[462] And I don't know why you picked that one.

[463] So depressing.

[464] And we get there.

[465] And then you just recited.

[466] I'm like, what are you talking about?

[467] You started crying.

[468] And you're like, Mom, it's from the book.

[469] I was like, holy shit.

[470] I looked at the book and I read the page and I was like, you memorized the whole thing in just that short drive.

[471] And that's when I knew you had like photographic memory or something.

[472] Yeah.

[473] Let's go back to Rebecca.

[474] Is that a sister?

[475] No, she's a friend.

[476] A friend of your mother's.

[477] Correct.

[478] Is she a nurse?

[479] No. Oh, but mom is.

[480] Yeah.

[481] And I just wanted to know.

[482] I never heard of your podcast.

[483] And Rebecca, who's my L .A. friend, said, hey, what are you coming into L .A. for?

[484] And I told her what I had to do.

[485] And she's like, oh, is Jenna going to be busy?

[486] And I said, I was kind of just saying your schedule.

[487] And I said, they should have to do some podcast with Doc Sheppard.

[488] She's like, she's like, squealed.

[489] He was like, oh, my God, that's my most favorite.

[490] You got to listen to it.

[491] So then she sent me a bunch of them.

[492] So I started listening.

[493] And I think it's really good.

[494] Oh, wonderful.

[495] That's wonderful.

[496] That works.

[497] Yeah, I didn't please.

[498] On the schedule, did it say Jenna shit's pants at 1058?

[499] Okay.

[500] No, that I did tell Natalie it's okay because Monica has IDS.

[501] Right.

[502] Self -diagnosed.

[503] This Rebecca is up to date.

[504] That's like a brand new.

[505] I am.

[506] I'm, I made Jenna a juice this morning and gave her coffee.

[507] I'm like, this will help you go.

[508] This will appreciate your pants.

[509] When I work, I cannot.

[510] Like, my body just stops functioning.

[511] I get too stressed.

[512] Yeah.

[513] So I was like, I'm not going to be able to do it today.

[514] Today is not the day.

[515] Yeah.

[516] And she gave me a. I won't shit until at least Saturday.

[517] Because I've got a busy day The rest of the day and tomorrow I was like I'm going to have to deal with it Oh my God I want you to feel safe enough to go in the house Thank you I feel safe Okay Jenna did you get the picture of the sweatshirt That I'm wearing it says oh shit That was my response to you Oh I didn't see it Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha How old is your mom Mother do you mind How old are you?

[518] You don't know No?

[519] I'm going to be 49 at the end of this month.

[520] We're currently the same age.

[521] I just turned 48, though.

[522] Enjoy.

[523] Enjoy.

[524] Enjoy.

[525] I'm going.

[526] Oh, my God.

[527] How is the marriage going?

[528] Yeah, how's the marriage?

[529] Solid?

[530] Marriage is good.

[531] Up and downs.

[532] I mean, I think I wanted to throw him out last month, but this month he's good.

[533] Okay, great.

[534] If things go sideways, just keep me in mind, same age.

[535] Back up plan.

[536] Rob's really getting nervous because...

[537] I have an addict to look forward to with no door on the bathroom.

[538] That won't fly.

[539] Well, I will with me. I have other bathrooms with doors, just not in the attic.

[540] Okay, got it.

[541] Yeah, it's a vulnerable space.

[542] Thanks for talking to us.

[543] Of course.

[544] Thank you, Mom.

[545] I love you, too.

[546] Oh, I loved that.

[547] I know.

[548] That was nice.

[549] Your mom is awesome.

[550] She's a really cool lady.

[551] Yeah.

[552] And she's an ER nurse, right?

[553] Yeah.

[554] So she's not afraid of the shit.

[555] No, that's part of her job.

[556] She's always sad because I complain a lot about certain aspects of this job.

[557] And she says, there's always going to be parts that you don't like.

[558] She's like, I hate having to scoop up people's shit.

[559] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[560] Or, you know, like pick it up off the floor.

[561] But I do love saving lives.

[562] So you've got to take the shit with tradeoffs.

[563] You can't say anything back to that.

[564] She's cleaning up shit off the floor.

[565] What parts are you prone to complain about?

[566] Honestly, press is hard.

[567] Press is hard.

[568] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[569] Interviews, even stuff like this can be hard sometimes.

[570] Any sort of red carpet aspect, any sort of brand deal.

[571] this, that it's exciting and I feel very lucky, but at the same time, it feels like a performance, but not the kind that creatively fulfills you, just in that, oh, I almost feel like an asshole.

[572] Fraudulent.

[573] Yes, yeah.

[574] If I can drill into exactly what is the problem with the press, is it that A, you're like, oh, the stakes are high, I got to really be careful how I talk, or is it B, the anxiety of like, okay, I'm on Phelan, I have six minutes to make everyone love me. Is it the high -stakesness of it?

[575] Something like Fallon, you know, they brief you on like so many things that you're going to talk about and then you talk about none of it and then it's over so you don't really know.

[576] Yeah, yeah.

[577] I'm more nervous in the fact where I feel I'm in a really weird transitional point in my life right now where I've never been more uncertain of who I am or what my interests are.

[578] But then this is also the time where I'm most expected to be myself and show everyone who I am.

[579] And I really don't know what to say or do because...

[580] You're not sure.

[581] Exactly.

[582] Yeah, yeah, I like that.

[583] I mean so many eyes on you all the time.

[584] That, but if you're not high energy or you don't match whoever it is that you're with, you're almost rude or you're not interesting or, oh, what's her problem?

[585] And it's just, no, I just don't have that much energy.

[586] I'm tired.

[587] Yeah.

[588] What I like and when I detected from the few interviews I watch of you, very sarcastic, which is my favorite.

[589] Love that.

[590] This is wonderful.

[591] But I can see where when you go on a late night talk show, it's a tempo thing, sarcasm, which is almost counter to.

[592] the pace of a talk show.

[593] Exactly.

[594] You could kill the interview really quickly.

[595] There's a way to organically be yourself, but then also not make the interview awful to watch.

[596] Yes.

[597] Which is what is that balance?

[598] Yeah.

[599] Well, here we have seven hours to slowly let you start jabbing.

[600] Remember when she said she had a full day ahead?

[601] Sorry, you're going to have to cancel all the rest of you think.

[602] You're not going to shit until Sunday, as it turns out.

[603] It's just in.

[604] It's going to be Sunday.

[605] Now, do you think part of the not knowing who you are, which I love, that's the best thing to possibly, admit about yourself, is just being 20?

[606] Or is it, I've been away for seven years playing all these different people.

[607] I haven't really been tending the garden of who I am.

[608] I think it's a blend.

[609] I grew up going to work with my parents or my mom and then the last couple of years I haven't because I've been an adult.

[610] I've been working a lot or going from job to job, which is super exciting for me because all I want to do is my job.

[611] But I think it's so that I almost don't have to confront myself and I just get to confront all these other people.

[612] So I think it's the loneliness of the job and then also the sporadiciness.

[613] You know, I'm traveling here and then I'm traveling there.

[614] I don't really have a home.

[615] So I feel when I'm not on set or not being somebody else, I kind of don't know what to do with myself.

[616] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[617] Which is where it gets confused.

[618] Yeah.

[619] Exactly.

[620] Because where actors get in trouble.

[621] You go on set and you work with a really incredible group of people who are very much themselves and have a certain art style.

[622] And then two months later, you're on another set with people who are completely different.

[623] So I feel like I'm pooling bits of my personality from all these different groups, but they don't necessarily always blend together or finding a way where they're cohesive is really difficult.

[624] You go from summer camp to summer camp.

[625] I did this too.

[626] I was older, though.

[627] Mine started at like 28.

[628] I started going to movie to movie.

[629] And yeah, you go to Jewish summer camp, then you go to band summer camp.

[630] Then you go to fucking rock climbing summer camp.

[631] And you're picking up little facets of yourself, but you're right.

[632] It's kind of fragmented.

[633] Yeah.

[634] And then a little heartbreaking right.

[635] when the experience is so intimate and collaborative and fulfilling.

[636] And then you're like, where is everybody?

[637] Yeah.

[638] Well, you never see them again.

[639] Yeah.

[640] Which is like the weirdest part.

[641] One of the most heartbreaking conversations I ever had was with the first AD named Bach, who was so sweet.

[642] We worked together for like two, three months in New Zealand.

[643] We talked on the plane about all our future dreams, what we were going to do, families, things we were going to build in our houses.

[644] We said goodbye, went to bed, and then never looked at each other again.

[645] It was just it then.

[646] And, like, we appreciated the fact that our time was over.

[647] And I think about that all the time.

[648] But you know what you're going to be able to do, I promise you.

[649] I've never been one to say, like, oh, this person's going to have an incredibly long career.

[650] I'm so blown away by Wednesday.

[651] That's really the first thing I've seen you.

[652] And my kids have watched yesterday.

[653] It's playing in the background.

[654] But I didn't really pay attention.

[655] But I said to Monica, I came in.

[656] I'm like, oh, I'm watching definitely the next Natalie Portman.

[657] It's so exciting.

[658] It happens once in a while.

[659] I remember watching Natalie Portman and the professional and going like, well, this is impossible that this person exists and that they're that talented at that age and that in control of themselves.

[660] So that's there for you, unless you start shooting dope.

[661] Try not to.

[662] But you're going to be able to.

[663] I'll get off.

[664] Yeah, you go to China.

[665] I think they can put you out for like a month while you kick.

[666] I think that's the way to go.

[667] Can you sponsor women?

[668] I'll make an exception because I'm such a fan.

[669] You'll be in a position shortly where you'll get to choose to work with the people you love and you can sustain it.

[670] I know, like, I watch it with my wife.

[671] You start getting to get your group and stay with your group.

[672] And that's going to happen.

[673] That's been the weird part, too, is because there's been more and more difficult stuff about this job coming up recently, I always say, well, I don't have to do it on a grand scale.

[674] Like, if I want to make film so badly or I want to act or I want to direct, I could do that in my backyard.

[675] Like, I do not have to do it to this extent.

[676] But, yeah, just now I'm starting to see the opportunities where I could work with artists that I really, really wanted to work with.

[677] So then there's a part of me that doesn't want to stop because why would I ever.

[678] pass up that opportunity.

[679] I feel like it's getting closer and closer.

[680] I don't want to jeopardize that.

[681] Yeah.

[682] Yeah, that's a really tricky position to be in.

[683] Right now, I'm sure you're just getting offer after offer, and it's all very alluring, but there's a PCU that knows the pressure is escalating, too, and do I need to take a step back from that?

[684] Juggling both seems almost impossible, especially at your age.

[685] I think a big part of it is the pressure I put on myself.

[686] I don't think it should be this complicated, but it's hard to get really excited when you just get nervous instead, you know?

[687] Yes.

[688] I would normally wait like another hour so you trust me to ask you this, but what's happening romantically?

[689] Because I'm curious, does that help?

[690] Are you able to maintain any kind of relationship through all these different areas you're at?

[691] I almost don't even find myself interested, but I think a big part of it is self -esteem.

[692] Like, I don't think I'm ready to be that vulnerable or trusting with someone, one.

[693] But then also, I was in a relationship for a couple of years, but I stopped when things got too hectic and it had nothing to do with them.

[694] It was just strictly I couldn't.

[695] You couldn't manage all the things.

[696] Exactly.

[697] If there's one thing I'm going to focus on, which is probably something I need to change, it's going to be my work.

[698] I know enough from reading about you that, like, Wednesday in particular was so challenging that my guess is the work is so demanding, you're not meeting your own needs as a person.

[699] So the notion that you could also be meeting the needs of yet a second person when you're not even meeting your own.

[700] You're probably not eating and sleeping and doing all the things that you would want to do for yourself and then to have some kind of utile left to give to them it's not even possible it's on the equation yeah i just don't think it would be fair to somebody else well that's why you just date someone on every movie you're on and then on that plane ride the worst you're on the plane ride home you go like what's your future i don't know it's probably not involving you good night good night night wake me up if they serve sundays yeah it's insane how common that is yeah this is what i loved about movies and then ultimately i came to realize my life was never going to start if I remained going here to here to here for three months.

[701] What I love is Clean Slate.

[702] Who am I for these three months in Bollingbrook, Illinois?

[703] That's fun.

[704] And all these new people I'm going to meet and I'm approval junkie and I'm going to get to win them over and this is great.

[705] And then I just go and I get to do it all over again every three months.

[706] And that's so fun until at some point I just started feeling like my life is on pause.

[707] It's just existing in these little bubbles that aren't going to add up to anything.

[708] But TV helps for that.

[709] Not in Romania.

[710] But if you're, like, on a show here at Universal and you're driving to the same place for six years in a row, and you're working with the same people, you can nest a house, you can have a relationship.

[711] I guess I get bored so easily, though.

[712] Too much routine, I have to switch it up after a while.

[713] Yeah.

[714] Which is why I think films are ideal.

[715] But then also on films, I don't think I necessarily always use them for all their worth.

[716] Like, I don't get the full experience always.

[717] I kind of just keep to myself.

[718] I just read and write and then show up and say hi to everyone, do my job, and then I go home.

[719] You don't seem like an approval junkie at all from what I've gleaned in the last 10 minutes.

[720] Different that way.

[721] Are you?

[722] No, I feel like maybe when I was younger.

[723] You want people who you admired to give you approval, right?

[724] Yeah, we're just neither of those people is all it is.

[725] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

[726] Well, you already dressed like me. Yeah, you already got.

[727] As soon as you open the door, I kind of, okay, I'm done with this one.

[728] I know.

[729] I should have known better because I should have made you work for it, I'd be seeing a whole other side of you.

[730] But you walked in, I'm like, I'm at your disposal.

[731] Correct.

[732] Yeah, I fucked up.

[733] Tactical error.

[734] Blunder.

[735] Yeah, I don't know if you even care regardless.

[736] I mean, obviously, if they're above, if they're like someone you admire.

[737] But I think this is a great thing.

[738] Right, I didn't know this podcast.

[739] But see, the way that you're dressed, I feel like I'm seeking your approval more.

[740] Oh, fuck, God.

[741] Does you seem a bit more mysterious, more put together?

[742] There's something about you.

[743] Listen.

[744] I'm wearing the row.

[745] Oh.

[746] That's why.

[747] There's a factor there, you know.

[748] Mysterious title.

[749] I know this, this is an old axiom I already knew, which is like, the popular girl in school, you're supposed to ignore.

[750] That's the move.

[751] That's the strategy.

[752] And you've ignored her with this outfit.

[753] No, I dressed for her.

[754] I was like, I got to dress good today.

[755] It's just subtle.

[756] Yeah, I'm just, I just didn't do the eyeliner and the mascara.

[757] I had so much fun dressing up like you.

[758] If I could have braided my hair, if it was long enough to do the side braids, I would have done a wig.

[759] That would have been.

[760] That would have been insane, though, right?

[761] It would be so distracting, right?

[762] Yeah.

[763] You might have turned around if I was wearing a wig.

[764] But it would have been a little itchy too.

[765] I think you would have become very irritable.

[766] That's true.

[767] I would have been sweating a lot.

[768] Yeah.

[769] Well, when we had Pamela Anderson on, he wanted to wear a wife feeder.

[770] You didn't.

[771] Yeah, I thought that was funny, but you probably don't even know what that means, do you?

[772] I understand that reference.

[773] You do.

[774] Okay.

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[787] What's up, guys?

[788] This is your girl Kiki, and my podcast is back with a new season, and let me tell you, it's too good, and I'm diving into the brains of entertainment's best and brightest, okay?

[789] Every episode, I bring on a friend and have a real conversation.

[790] And I don't mean just friends.

[791] I mean the likes of Amy Poehler, Kel Mitchell, Vivica Fox.

[792] The list goes on.

[793] So follow, watch, and listen to Baby.

[794] This is Kiki Palmer on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast.

[795] I want to bond over something.

[796] My first movie, I was in New Zealand for three months and Wendy Wellington.

[797] And I was so in love with it.

[798] It's such a magical experience in my mind.

[799] we were outdoors, we were in rapids, we were learning how to fucking kayak and canoe and repel and all this fun stuff.

[800] The fact that I was there and they got me an apartment, I had a rental car, and I was like, wait, I'm in show business.

[801] This is incredible.

[802] Do you love Wellington?

[803] Love Wellington.

[804] I was there for those three months.

[805] I decided I could move there.

[806] Same.

[807] It's a separate little planet.

[808] We would go to the beach every day and it was black sand beaches everywhere.

[809] For some reason, all of the people there live in harmony and everything is perfect and fine and nice.

[810] Also, it was in the middle of the pandemic, but COVID did not exist there.

[811] Doesn't exist there.

[812] So live music was still playing.

[813] It seemed like, you know, to go back home was so disappointing.

[814] Oh, our friend David Ferrier, who does a show for us, we would FaceTime him.

[815] We're inside with masks and gloves on.

[816] He's strolling on the street in a t -shirt.

[817] He's on his way to meet friends to go see a movie and we're like, oh, my God, like, how's this happening?

[818] So you were there at that time, too.

[819] Yeah.

[820] Oh, that's perfect.

[821] But everything that you see there just so happens to be the most beautiful thing you've ever seen in your life.

[822] So just lambs roaming.

[823] Wait, did I see that?

[824] In Australia or in New Zealand?

[825] Wombats?

[826] I think that's Australia.

[827] Yeah, that's Australia.

[828] I've never been there.

[829] Did you go up to, like, Rotorua, any of that stuff?

[830] I didn't get to do too much of that.

[831] The only two places that I was in, Wellington, and then Fonganui.

[832] We were shooting like a small, sleepy town on the West Coast, and we spent a lot of time there, too.

[833] In Fonganui.

[834] Yeah.

[835] What a great name.

[836] Did you have an apartment or were you at the Intercontinental?

[837] I actually was in a little motor lodge.

[838] What does that mean?

[839] You could drive your car up to the door, like a motel?

[840] Exactly.

[841] It was in town, no. It was in the town, but five people lived there.

[842] Okay.

[843] And I had a really weird relationship with the owner of the Motor Lodge.

[844] I don't think they liked me very much.

[845] So they put me in this side room where there was, like, space for wheelchairs, and there was a hot tub right in the middle of the room.

[846] Romantic.

[847] Yeah.

[848] It was their carpet.

[849] Carpet.

[850] The shower didn't have a proper curtain.

[851] It was like a really strange.

[852] Was this a low budget situation?

[853] Oh, definitely.

[854] Okay.

[855] But for some reason, it was me specifically.

[856] Like, all the other cast was at the front of the house, and I was tucked away in the back.

[857] Oh, my gosh.

[858] Like, you had to find me. When did you do that?

[859] 19, 18, 18.

[860] Yeah.

[861] You could drink there, right?

[862] Yeah.

[863] Yeah.

[864] Were you drinking?

[865] No, not really.

[866] Really?

[867] You don't drink.

[868] No, I do.

[869] Oh, just not there.

[870] I definitely do.

[871] It just has to bring it out of me. Like, I feel like Romania was more the time and place.

[872] Oh.

[873] So that's where Kristen could really help out, because she did a movie in Romania as well, like a horror movie.

[874] And I think for the people who've worked in Romania, especially if, the budget's been dicey.

[875] It's a very shared experience.

[876] Yeah.

[877] But before we wrap up Wellington, they put a poached egg on everything.

[878] I love that.

[879] Did you notice that?

[880] I did not notice that.

[881] Oh, my God.

[882] Are you sure you were in Wellington?

[883] I think so.

[884] You were at a motor lodge, which I didn't even know exists, and you didn't see any poached eggs.

[885] Well, no, when I was in Wellington, I was at, I think, the queue, maybe.

[886] So it was, it was like a proper hotel.

[887] And they had a photo of Willie Nelson, like, top of the wall, bottom to the wall, on the 10th room of every floor.

[888] And I just so happened to be in the 10th room.

[889] Oh, my second boy.

[890] Yes, it was me and William Nelson.

[891] Okay, wonderful.

[892] Because here was my coach.

[893] So I had an apartment downtown when I was working there, and I would sit on my balcony and God bless those Kiwis, they can drink.

[894] It's like being in Chicago.

[895] I would sit up there at like 2 .30 in the morning when the bars were getting out.

[896] And I would just watch people throw up on the street.

[897] I've never seen more people throwing up on the street in public than I would from my balcony.

[898] And the best one I ever saw, I saw a guy walk out of the McDonald's because I had a great view of the McDonald's.

[899] He walked out and he brought the full tray with him.

[900] He didn't get to go.

[901] He got for there.

[902] And he was walking home with a tray full of burgers and fries in the whole nine, not in a bag.

[903] Yeah.

[904] Stop to throw up.

[905] Kept the tray horizontal and then continued on his way.

[906] No way.

[907] It was like watching Cirque de Soleil or something.

[908] I forgot.

[909] There was actually one time where I drank.

[910] And it's probably one of the times I've drank the most of my life.

[911] Okay.

[912] It was second to last day of shooting.

[913] Like, we left in two days.

[914] And I was with my castmate Scott and we went on a bar crawl because we both had never really been to any of the bars this.

[915] We went with some of the crew members.

[916] I was only drinking Jameson.

[917] Oh.

[918] Started to taste like juice.

[919] I was totally completely fine.

[920] And then I woke up the most hungover I've ever been in my entire life.

[921] The movie was X. And I had to do the scene where I'm locked in a basement.

[922] My hands just been hit with a gun and I let out this blood -curdling scream.

[923] And it was so painful to do because I had the worst headache at all time.

[924] And I just wanted to go to bed.

[925] And that's when I realized weekend.

[926] Yeah, but I would argue.

[927] A different liquor.

[928] I know, but I felt it's what I had to do.

[929] Yeah, you did it right.

[930] And I would argue that perhaps that hangover may be aided in the performance because you're probably pating life.

[931] The character is.

[932] I think it made my voice sound a bit more raw.

[933] Yeah.

[934] I like this.

[935] Can we go back real quick?

[936] Because we blew through that she mentioned she has low self -esteem.

[937] Yeah.

[938] And we need to circle back.

[939] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[940] Let's circle back.

[941] You're perfect.

[942] My insecurity is like how I look.

[943] But yours probably isn't how you look.

[944] Yeah, where do you think it stems from?

[945] It's so interesting because I always mentioned something like this because I feel like it's important because, especially with social media people go on their phones and then they see something that's great and amazing and wonderful and everyone is the shit and everyone is the best.

[946] So I always try to slip it in, but then nobody ever asked me to go into it further, which I'm so surprised.

[947] Yeah, yeah.

[948] You haven't listened to this show.

[949] That's all we do.

[950] And we might have just busted you.

[951] Maybe she's got like thriving self -esteem.

[952] But I know what you're saying, my wife and have that where people will constantly write relationship goals.

[953] And we're constantly like, hey, it's a beat down and we are in therapy and it's a ton of work.

[954] Like, don't think you're just going to meet your Christian Bell and that's that.

[955] That's not it.

[956] Yeah.

[957] So I understand like the kind of integrity to say, yeah, I get it.

[958] A lot of people want to be in my shoes, but just no, there is no perfect state of being.

[959] I'm not elated to be me. That's all a fantasy.

[960] Yeah.

[961] Well, I think self -esteem is something that I've struggled with for a very long time.

[962] And oh my God, I was talking to my mom even about it last night.

[963] I don't know how to put it like sweetly or nicely, but it's really hard for me to find something that I genuinely enjoy about myself.

[964] I think that's part of the reason why I like my job so much is because as soon as they say action, I black out.

[965] I don't even know if I'm taking the director's notes.

[966] I don't know what's happening.

[967] I just know I'm listening to what the other person is saying, and I'm responding.

[968] Especially in a job like this, too, where everyone's concerned about your appearance, everyone's concerned about your sense of humor, whether you're nice enough.

[969] You begin to feel a bit like a billboard, and there's a part of me that almost feels like I've succumbed to this commercial version and kind of given up on my own personal interest.

[970] Like maybe you're trying to catch up with the thing everyone else thinks about you.

[971] Not even catch up.

[972] I just feel like people aren't understanding.

[973] You meet with someone on a Rick Harbour, you do something like this, and it's, oh, you're perfect.

[974] And no one's perfect, by the way.

[975] You literally know what is perfect.

[976] Of course, of but I feel like even the way that friends and family talk about me now, because they're so excited about everything that's come up.

[977] They're, oh, wow, look at all that's coming for you, or look at all that people are saying, especially with a job like Wednesday.

[978] I was trying something completely different.

[979] I'm naturally a very expressive person.

[980] I haven't really done a teen show like that before.

[981] It's not typically the kind of TV that I would watch, so it felt very out of place for me. I can't watch my work, but I can go home from set and say, the scene that we shot today felt good.

[982] Wednesday, there was not a scene in that show that I went home and was like, okay, that should be fine.

[983] Now, a lot of people know me from that.

[984] It's not my proudest moment internally, so it's, oh, that's so interesting.

[985] Which I think also adds an extra level of insecurity and stress because it's like, no, I'm finally getting these offers or these places that I want, but I don't want to known specifically for that.

[986] Okay, this is great.

[987] There's a huge disconnect from what we're experiencing in that moment, then what's on the screen often, which is a weird thing to get comfortable with.

[988] Definitely.

[989] God, I want you to watch Wednesday.

[990] No. In fact, Rob, pull out the screen.

[991] We're going to watch the whole series.

[992] The thing about Wednesday, too, is it came out in, what, November, and I wrapped in September.

[993] Like, I was still, I came back from Romania, worked on other jobs, but because so much of the show is outside.

[994] and there's so much action going on.

[995] Other cast members had maybe 10 lines of ADR where I had to do over 200 because I'm also narrating the show.

[996] So I've already seen a lot of it against my will.

[997] So I think I'm really good there.

[998] But you can intellectually and objectively acknowledge your nominated for a Golden Globe, you're nominated for a SAG Award.

[999] Like you recognize the work is incredible by all the rest of our standards.

[1000] My brain completely disregards that.

[1001] It's, oh, general public must be so easy to please.

[1002] You know, like that's where my brain goes Because it's like people are shipping out content so fast At the fact that we actually sat down and spent considerable time on that I think naturally would elevate or maybe make a show more appealing to an audience Because there was a lot that went into that show Well, but I will say this is actually a healthy thing to recognize as an actor Which is you're only as good as the director You're only as good as the editor.

[1003] You're only as good as the score.

[1004] So you could go give the best performance that you're capable of in a shitty movie with the wrong camera move, the wrong lens, the wrong score, and it fucking sucks.

[1005] And so your talent, plus Tim Burton, and I don't know what it's like to work for him.

[1006] So I'm obviously able to just speak as a fan of everything he's made.

[1007] You start recognizing that you are an important part of the puzzle, but you are a part of the puzzle, and you can't transcend the limits of the talent of the people around you in some ways.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] I think it's good to take the pressure off of us a little bit, it and to either not get high on our own supply, not be so high on what we did for the movie, also not take it all that personal when it didn't work out.

[1010] It is so collaborative that this thing that you never went home feeling like you gave them or that you did the thing you wanted, objectively still might be the best thing you've ever done because it's married with this other genius.

[1011] And just because maybe you don't have a good barometer of when you're delivering or when you're not.

[1012] Like sometimes that's hard to know.

[1013] Yeah.

[1014] I don't have real sense of self in that way.

[1015] but I guess it's weird.

[1016] We started it with the kids.

[1017] It was too much for them.

[1018] They see the broken neck in the first scene and my nine -year -old's like, yeah, I'm out.

[1019] So now we're like, okay, this was going to be a family show.

[1020] And then it was just my wife and I watching it every night in bed after they went to sleep.

[1021] And it is one of my favorite shows I've ever seen.

[1022] Have you ever seen Veronica Mars?

[1023] No. You have to see it because it's the same show.

[1024] And I say this in the best way.

[1025] It's my favorite and Monica's favorite.

[1026] Well, she's female detective.

[1027] Exactly.

[1028] But she's sarcastic.

[1029] High school.

[1030] She's wise beyond her years.

[1031] She's sarcastic.

[1032] She's tiny but spunky.

[1033] She fights.

[1034] Even down to like the weird relationship with the sheriff in town.

[1035] Like it's all in that show.

[1036] Yeah.

[1037] But it's just this wonderful fantasy version of it with the Tim Burton designed world.

[1038] Yeah.

[1039] So it just added.

[1040] But anyways, I absolutely loved it.

[1041] I didn't know who you were.

[1042] I'm like, she's perfect at Wednesday.

[1043] Maybe she's just that girl.

[1044] I don't know what the spectrum of her range is.

[1045] yet.

[1046] But I thought when you're also playing the blonde version of yourself, and then you have that bizarro pilgrimmy accent.

[1047] Yeah, I don't know what that is.

[1048] It's awesome.

[1049] It's so good.

[1050] And I was like, oh, so you can do every single thing.

[1051] Yeah.

[1052] And I believe you when you're being tough and I believe you when you're being everything.

[1053] Thank you.

[1054] I know.

[1055] I was just going to steal some of that thunder because I do believe I walked in and I was like, I've been watching Wednesday over and over and over again.

[1056] I've watched it like five times to just have it on in the background.

[1057] And It is so, so good.

[1058] And I was not expecting it because it's a, quote, teen show.

[1059] And I'm not a teen, sadly, anymore.

[1060] But it's so universal.

[1061] I have not met one person who doesn't love it.

[1062] Thank you.

[1063] Well, that's actually kind of interesting to hear about your nine -year -old, too, is because when I actually read the entire series, I realized, oh, this is for younger audiences.

[1064] But if the broken neck is too much, because when I first signed on in the show, I didn't have all the scripts.

[1065] And I thought that it was going to be a lot darker.

[1066] I thought it was going to be more of that broken neck.

[1067] next stuff.

[1068] But then it wasn't.

[1069] So I thought, oh, okay, I see where we're going.

[1070] But then it still had the opposite effect, which is really funny to me. Yeah.

[1071] Yeah.

[1072] What is great is I think you care a ton, which is exactly what you should do.

[1073] But at the same time, there has to be some other voice that you're countering in your head, which is, A, I might not know.

[1074] Like, you might not be able to know what the show is, despite the fact that you're in every scene of it.

[1075] Well, that was the thing.

[1076] I didn't know what the tone was.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] I didn't know what the score was going to sound like or the way it was going to be cut together.

[1079] Or when we're doing more dramatic scenes, it's, okay, well, let's not get too melodramatic.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] The show still has superpowers, you know, but then sometimes you do have to push heavier.

[1082] It was confusing in that sense, definitely.

[1083] Well, I kept saying this the whole time.

[1084] There's a great tension in the show, and I can't wait to watch more series, and I want to see how they juggle it, which is like, we meet you.

[1085] You have zero inclination to get anyone's approval.

[1086] It's wish fulfillment for humans.

[1087] It's like, oh, God, I wish I didn't care.

[1088] So what we love about you is that you're completely detached.

[1089] Yet, it's story.

[1090] So I want to see you smile eventually.

[1091] I want to see you fall in love eventually.

[1092] I want all the things for Wednesday that I would want for any character I love.

[1093] Yet it would defy what I love about the character.

[1094] So it is the tiniest needle to thread.

[1095] And I imagine for you performing it, it is too.

[1096] How much am I going to give the, like I got to see you kiss and smile and hug and all that, but you can't not be.

[1097] Wednesday still.

[1098] I don't think I've ever had to put my foot down on a set in a way that I had to on Wednesday because it's so easy to fall into that category, especially with this type of show.

[1099] Everything that she does, everything that I had to play did not make sense for her character at all.

[1100] Her being in a love triangle made no sense.

[1101] There was a line about like a dress that she has to wear for a school dance and she said, oh my God, I love it.

[1102] I can't believe I said that I literally hate myself.

[1103] And I had to go, no. There's no way.

[1104] There was times on that set where I have became almost unprofessional sense where I just started changing lines.

[1105] The script supervisor thought that I was going with something and then I would have to sit down with the writers and they would be like, wait, what happened to the scene?

[1106] And I would have to go through and explain why I couldn't do certain things.

[1107] I grew very, very protective of her, but you can't lead a story and have no emotional arc because then it's boring and nobody likes you.

[1108] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1109] And Wednesday as a teenager, when you're little and you say really morbid, offensive stuff, It's funny and endearing and awe.

[1110] You don't know any better.

[1111] But you become a teenager and it's, oh, well, now you're being nasty and you know it.

[1112] There's less excuse.

[1113] I was on a show.

[1114] Yeah, I was so protective of the integrity of the character.

[1115] And I would fight with them all then.

[1116] Well, Crosby wouldn't do that.

[1117] And recognizing, like, they're balancing the global story, the global show.

[1118] And then your job is to be completely true in the moment.

[1119] And theirs is to try to make the overall thing arc. And you have to betray yourself sometimes.

[1120] Definitely.

[1121] And it's like a compromise.

[1122] And that's not always fun.

[1123] Did you watch Euphoria?

[1124] No. Oh, wow.

[1125] Okay.

[1126] So good.

[1127] I don't watch a lot of TV.

[1128] You don't?

[1129] Why not?

[1130] I'm just more interested in film.

[1131] We share a favorite movie, Man on Fire.

[1132] Yeah, that's why I started acting.

[1133] I love that movie.

[1134] I feel like it's so underrated.

[1135] It's why I'm obsessed with Denzel.

[1136] Dakota, I'm supposed to be the Puerto Rican version of her in my eight -year -old head.

[1137] Uh -huh.

[1138] Uh -huh.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] That movie is like a Led Zeppelin.

[1141] on vinyl.

[1142] There's something so chromatic.

[1143] There's something really textured and delightful.

[1144] Just everything you want in a movie.

[1145] It's like eating good Mexican food, that movie.

[1146] Yes.

[1147] That's actually a really good way to put it.

[1148] Thank you.

[1149] Yeah.

[1150] There's something alive in the salsa in that movie.

[1151] Honestly, I think there's also something really powerful and friendship between strong, protective, almost father figure and young girl who can hold her own.

[1152] Exactly.

[1153] Exactly.

[1154] I think there's something that everyone loves that dynamic.

[1155] That's what I'm offering you in real life.

[1156] life.

[1157] Oh, okay.

[1158] I want to enter into the Denzel, Dakota fanning.

[1159] I would rather be the Denzel.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] Okay, good.

[1162] I love swimming.

[1163] Okay.

[1164] So you can shoot the starter pistol and I'll come off the blocks as fast as I can.

[1165] Oh my God.

[1166] After seeing that movie, I used to practice that so many times in the pool because I thought, okay, if I'm going to be Dakota and I would do the little spin and kick off of the wall.

[1167] Yes.

[1168] I had never seen that.

[1169] She is so great in that movie.

[1170] Yeah.

[1171] My nine -year -old reminds me so much of her in that movie.

[1172] Scared and nervous, but can act when you say act.

[1173] Yeah.

[1174] It's like the greatest.

[1175] Is she a little actress?

[1176] She's in a school play right now.

[1177] Okay.

[1178] She just declared that she wants to go to this junior high that is a performing junior high.

[1179] And I'm very supportive of it.

[1180] I just don't want her to do it professionally until she's in it all.

[1181] Smart.

[1182] Yeah.

[1183] Wait, I have a question.

[1184] Again, back to self -esteem.

[1185] I'm going to bring it back to self -esteem every like 20 minutes.

[1186] This is a hard question to answer and you can say I don't have an answer.

[1187] But what do you think it would take for you to have confidence or self -esteem?

[1188] Just you as you.

[1189] Like for me, sometimes I think, oh, if this person gave me validation, which is not true.

[1190] I am also smart enough to know that if they did, it probably wouldn't do anything.

[1191] But I have some ideas about what would give me that.

[1192] You also have looked stuff, like in your mind, if you looked a certain way, you'd feel really confident.

[1193] Like, I do we share that.

[1194] Well, I get that way, definitely.

[1195] Especially when you live here and everyone is the most beautiful person you've ever seen in your life.

[1196] But I think I just need to get a life.

[1197] I actually need to form hobbies or be more social.

[1198] I have such immense social anxiety.

[1199] And when I was younger, I could talk to anyone.

[1200] I was the outgoing kid.

[1201] It's part of why I wanted to do what I could do because I could go and sit in a room full of adults and make them laugh and tell them stories or put on little shows for them.

[1202] Now, the idea of having to hang out with people, even some of my closest friends, makes me nervous.

[1203] And then I feel like I can't be myself.

[1204] I have a really big thing with speech where I feel like I can't always articulate things the way that I want them to.

[1205] and the way that I see things in my head is so vastly different than the way that they come out of my mouth.

[1206] That's why I like to write a lot because it sounds like myself.

[1207] Whereas when I speak, I don't feel I can reach people.

[1208] Yeah.

[1209] The way you are.

[1210] Okay.

[1211] So I'm from a small town of Michigan.

[1212] When I got famous, there was so much excitement like what you're experiencing right now.

[1213] And what I felt was isolating about it a little bit was everyone was so excited for me. And everyone had a notion of what the experience was probably like for me. but I was having a hard time connecting with the experience they thought I should be having.

[1214] And I almost felt like I lost the right to say, I'm not having the greatest time, or I'm nervous about this, or I'm afraid of this.

[1215] I'm expected to have some level of gratitude at all time that would make me elated.

[1216] And that was a very isolating feeling.

[1217] That's exactly what it is.

[1218] I almost feel guilty for not being as excited.

[1219] Yeah, as everyone else.

[1220] Exactly.

[1221] And then I feel like I'm Debbie, or everyone thinks I'm excited about the things that I'm not excited about.

[1222] So then there's that confusion as well.

[1223] But I can't really speak to anyone who understands what I mean when I complain or when I get confused or upset about a certain aspect of my life.

[1224] And then you feel ungrateful, which is like somehow the worst thing you can make in life.

[1225] And then people will be like, well, then you're going to lose it because you're not grateful.

[1226] And your mother did a nice thing to you.

[1227] It's what I would do to my daughters.

[1228] But even the notion of I hate this part of work, well, you should try cleaning shit up off the ground.

[1229] That's going to be everyone's response.

[1230] It's like, well, try doing what I do and not get millions.

[1231] So it's like, okay, so I guess I'm not really entitled to dislike anything or be struggling in any way because I have this huge gift on my plate.

[1232] You could recognize it intellectually as a huge gift, but it's not going to alter your experience day to day in life.

[1233] You come here, you got lost, you parked too far away, you're going to shit your pants.

[1234] None of it doesn't have any effect on that.

[1235] Yeah, definitely.

[1236] I think part of it, too, is because I come from such a big family.

[1237] and they sacrificed so much time with their mom.

[1238] My younger siblings are a couple years younger than me. My mom was not as present in their lives where she was my best friend.

[1239] You know, I feel like there's a lot that my family gave up or even my parents' relationship struggled for a bit because one's in L .A. and one's here.

[1240] Everyone sacrificed a lot so then it feels like now more than anything is the time to push and keep going further so that everybody's hardworking.

[1241] Exactly.

[1242] I don't want it not to be worth it.

[1243] Then it's no longer about the thing it was originally about, which is very fucking dangerous.

[1244] Yeah, trying to find a way to like pay them back and thank them.

[1245] Even though I know they don't want it, there are arguments and we go back and forth and it's something that I want to do and they're not asking for it at all.

[1246] It keeps me feeling like a human.

[1247] Also, the helping family members is not what you fantasize about when you're little.

[1248] Like when I was little, all I was like is I want to buy my mama house.

[1249] I want to take care of my brother and my sister.

[1250] But once you're in the situation, you realize it's hard to accept something from your sibling, especially if you're the older one, like my brother.

[1251] It's not just easy, easy.

[1252] Like, oh, great, I got a bunch and now I'm going to share it with everyone.

[1253] It's unfortunately a lot more complicated than that can lead to resentments.

[1254] Also, if you have a family member that doesn't mind asking, like my dad before he died, he would ask me for everything.

[1255] When the phone rings and I see it's hidden and I have a pang of, is this going to be a request?

[1256] Like, it's already tainted our relationship.

[1257] Like, me getting this thing has made it so when I see the phone ring and it's my dad, I have fear, like, what's he going to ask for?

[1258] I don't want that relationship.

[1259] I don't want anything like that either, but I'm unbelievably lucky with my family because they do not give a shit what I do.

[1260] They have no interest, unless it's something that's, like, randomly exciting to them.

[1261] If I just so happen to be at a red carpet or something with someone that they love, then they might ask a question or two.

[1262] But other than that, it's like they don't want anything to do with my job, nor do they have any understanding.

[1263] So if I do something nice for them or try to thank them, it's kind of confusing for them.

[1264] You almost feel like you owe them something, but they're like, no, they don't feel owed.

[1265] Exactly.

[1266] Yeah.

[1267] Yeah, that's interesting.

[1268] Which I know a lot of people are in my position and are made out to feel like they do owe somebody something or they do have to pay somebody back.

[1269] No, I just do it because I want to and not necessarily out of owing.

[1270] Who are your idols?

[1271] Dakota.

[1272] Yeah, Dakota was a big run.

[1273] There's an actress.

[1274] Her name was Karen Cartledge, I believe.

[1275] And she did a lot of Mike Lee's films.

[1276] There's a movie Naked that she's a movie.

[1277] that I saw her for the very first time.

[1278] Every time I watch her, I cannot believe she's even human.

[1279] It's weird.

[1280] I don't think I've ever shouted her out before, but she's like a huge...

[1281] Let's put her on blast right now.

[1282] She's a huge influence of mine.

[1283] Is there someone's career that you are like, oh, if I had that career, that would be...

[1284] Like, when I say Natalie Portman, does that interest you?

[1285] Yeah.

[1286] Philip Seymour Hoffman was another one who literally everything is perfect about his resume.

[1287] A younger actor who I think has a really great resume panning up for them is Jesse Buckley.

[1288] I feel like she has...

[1289] Oh, yeah.

[1290] I think the Charlie Coffin.

[1291] She just attracts the most wonderful, interesting scripts and characters.

[1292] I don't know how she does.

[1293] She's incredible.

[1294] So the other thing, if I were you, the pressure of having opportunities, it's so weird because when you're coming up, it's like you're auditioning for a million things.

[1295] That is easy.

[1296] Like, I want this thing.

[1297] I'm chasing it.

[1298] And you have a lot of practice in that.

[1299] And now when it flips and it's like, wait, now I've got to pick what's going to be a good bet for me or what's going to be a good choice or what's going to sustain this thing.

[1300] I feel like is incredibly daunting.

[1301] It's so scary, especially because you don't know if the opportunity you just passed up on, was the better project overall, I had the better team behind it, or another thing, too, that I've just realized is schedule is so hard because there's some jobs that you want to do so bad.

[1302] It just doesn't fit because you've already agreed to this one.

[1303] I didn't think that as many people were going to be paying attention to what I was doing.

[1304] So there was less pressure to maybe choose the wrong one or to mess up because I, okay, yeah, do the little indie.

[1305] Well, before you could read something, you could like and go, I want to play that.

[1306] Exactly.

[1307] That's the decision.

[1308] I'd love to play that character for three months.

[1309] Exactly.

[1310] Now you're like, is it going to eat shit?

[1311] Are they going to bring it out wide and it's going to tank and I'll never get an opportunity again?

[1312] Those weren't the thoughts a year and a half ago, I'm sure.

[1313] Yeah, I feel like every choice is more critical.

[1314] And then also, is this too similar?

[1315] Now suddenly everyone has to be so different.

[1316] It's so weird.

[1317] Yeah.

[1318] Even me watching Wednesday and having that thought like, oh, my God, there's a Natalie Portman.

[1319] This is so fun.

[1320] I can't wait to watch.

[1321] I can't wait to see or do the creative.

[1322] Crazy Darren Aronofsky ballet movie.

[1323] I think even I then click back into the fantasy of it all by seeing you.

[1324] And like just forget everything I know.

[1325] Like, oh, no, it's also really stressful.

[1326] She's probably panicked about what's next.

[1327] Do you have someone whose advice you really, really believe in?

[1328] No. Okay.

[1329] I'll do it.

[1330] You're taking applications.

[1331] I never thought I'd be a manager, but now I'm putting my hat in the ring.

[1332] It's so hard because you're at this critical point.

[1333] But what you were doing before worked where you were just looking at the character and the story and all the things.

[1334] And for all the people we've had on here, that's what they ultimately say, is the jobs where the process was fun, where the character was fun, that's fulfilling.

[1335] You'll never know about the result.

[1336] I, for several years, lived with the regret of not doing wedding crashes because it was enormous and I did this movie, Idiocracy, and no one fucking saw it for five years.

[1337] But now, 18 years later, that's what people will talk to me about nonstop.

[1338] But for years, I was like, well, I really shit the bet on that.

[1339] I could probably be the lead of things still.

[1340] I could be making X amount of money.

[1341] And there was years where I thought I made the wrong decision.

[1342] And now that was totally the right decision.

[1343] The real long time horizon.

[1344] You don't even know.

[1345] True.

[1346] I try to look at things objectively like that and look at the bigger picture.

[1347] But I think I'm so terrified of making mistakes.

[1348] My concern is I feel like a lot of people see something very different for myself.

[1349] Someone like Zendaya, for example, so much respect for.

[1350] Killing it always, like, been such a massive fan.

[1351] I never saw myself being like her, like the fashion girl.

[1352] Yeah.

[1353] In this blockbuster or in this, whatever.

[1354] No, I always wanted to do the darker, weirder, more off -putting projects.

[1355] But I feel now that you do something that's mainstream, that's what's seen for you and that's what's expected, I love horror.

[1356] Now you're only getting horror offers.

[1357] And now you're only, you know, I don't want to be pigeonholed in a box.

[1358] I'm fearful of having already put myself in that position.

[1359] But you have more control over it than you think.

[1360] That's important to know is you can say no. You can go to a play.

[1361] Over the course of your life, you're going to do a million things.

[1362] And it's okay if this one isn't exactly in line with everything.

[1363] You're not going to be pigeonholed.

[1364] I'm just going to tell you that.

[1365] You're too talented and you've already shown too many sides.

[1366] Okay.

[1367] Murder podcasts.

[1368] Also, you've got your shoes off, which I just noticed, which is great.

[1369] A long time ago.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] I've not noticed that ever before.

[1372] Almost every episode.

[1373] Oh, really?

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] You pop your shoes off.

[1376] How long have you guys been doing this?

[1377] Five years.

[1378] Yeah.

[1379] Very observant.

[1380] Like 600 or so episodes.

[1381] He normally is very observant.

[1382] They've been off a bunch.

[1383] Great nail polish color.

[1384] Thank you.

[1385] I got that done in Hawaii.

[1386] In Hawaii.

[1387] It was a Hawaii color.

[1388] Exciting.

[1389] It felt really good.

[1390] Murder podcasts.

[1391] You love them?

[1392] I know pretty much all of them off the back of my hand because that's all my mom listened to when we were driving.

[1393] So it wasn't you that was instigating the murder podcast.

[1394] It was your mother?

[1395] No. just have heard gruesome, gruesome murders in like five different accounts based off of whatever five different podcasts you would listen to.

[1396] Did you do Root of Evil, the Black Dahlia murder?

[1397] Of course.

[1398] Okay.

[1399] So that house, I'm just telling you, because I think it'd interest you, is five doors down.

[1400] Are you serious?

[1401] Yes.

[1402] Why do I think that was in like Brentwood or something?

[1403] No, no. You might have even parked in front of the place.

[1404] It's not Frank Lloyd Wright.

[1405] It's his son, I think.

[1406] But there's a Frank Lloyd Wright house, like, Aztec design that's right here on Franklin.

[1407] I think I actually did.

[1408] Yes.

[1409] Well, I'm not, I have to go and check.

[1410] But I've walked.

[1411] That's the hotel.

[1412] That's the site of the murder.

[1413] No. I always find random stuff like that.

[1414] Yes.

[1415] Again, another reason to move to the neighborhood.

[1416] Was the house available?

[1417] It's always for sale, funny enough.

[1418] They hold events there.

[1419] It's a spectacular house.

[1420] I've been to like a couple different events there.

[1421] It's unbelievably gorgeous inside.

[1422] And the layout's impossible.

[1423] And the whole insides opened up to this atrium.

[1424] And all the rooms share a common wall with this atrium.

[1425] It's incredible.

[1426] You should have started with that.

[1427] That would have made me more excited to be.

[1428] be here.

[1429] It's a slow burn.

[1430] Yeah, now I feel kind of, oh.

[1431] I didn't know whether it is sending you off on a high note or start you on a high note.

[1432] Laws of comedy, you save your best joke for less.

[1433] I didn't want to start you at a 10 and then we fizzled to a five.

[1434] Oh, you know, right?

[1435] That was your best joke when we first started?

[1436] It was the costume.

[1437] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1438] See, there it is.

[1439] There's a sarcasm.

[1440] I love it.

[1441] We've got the time and the space, so let it rip.

[1442] Okay, any other murder podcast that you loved?

[1443] Crime junkies was a big one.

[1444] Moms and Murder was a big one.

[1445] Did you listen to Dr. Death?

[1446] That's our favorite of all time.

[1447] Did listen to the spinal cord surgeon?

[1448] Oh my God, I loved it.

[1449] Yeah.

[1450] It was always the best to when we were driving home from Los Angeles after a work day at like two in the morning.

[1451] And my mom had to be at work at six and I had to be at school at seven.

[1452] And then you're just talking about how like, oh, and his neck was tore open.

[1453] He decapitated his friend.

[1454] Yeah, exactly.

[1455] Yeah, oopsies.

[1456] Yeah, and he left like sponges and stuff in bodies.

[1457] Oh, anything he had been using.

[1458] What I went to sleep to.

[1459] Oh.

[1460] Stay tuned.

[1461] for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1462] I do want to hear about Disney prom, if you don't mind telling me. Oh, yeah.

[1463] Because that sounds really bizarre and fun.

[1464] It's really weird.

[1465] I feel like I can say this now that it's been so many years.

[1466] But it's really more just stage moms getting photos of their kids together and figuring out who was doing what next.

[1467] Like, I felt like every time I went there, I was about to be interviewed by six different women.

[1468] Wait, what is it?

[1469] Can we give it?

[1470] So because you weren't.

[1471] in high school.

[1472] You left when?

[1473] I left freshman year to become homeschooled.

[1474] Do you think that was a good thing or a bad thing?

[1475] Bad thing.

[1476] I think that's when my social ability declined rapidly.

[1477] Everything after that was like weird people trying to know what job you were working on next.

[1478] And you're surrounded by adults primarily.

[1479] That I could always handle, but children's shows is a completely different environment where it's like seven in the morning you're just waking up and suddenly you're locked in a room with another parent and they're trying to interrogate you about who was a photographer?

[1480] you worked with and who was a stylist you worked with and who did you contact to get this or why did you sign to this agency or why are you leaving you know it's like yeah like uh yeah it was too much yeah it well it became drama that you didn't need would they angle like you know Becky would love to have more scenes with any of that shit 100 % we there was things like that or kids would randomly start fighting because their parents were fighting yeah so even though the kids had no problem with each other because the parents did you know they side with one another we had therapy sessions like collective like cast therapy sessions they had to bring somebody in because there was too many difficulties on set and how were we going to get the family members to shoot with one another and the funny thing is like we had no issue with one another and we were shooting two episodes a week crazy crazy hours we're coming in on Saturdays and Sundays to bank school hours so that we could do less school during the week and then yeah at the end of the wrap day it was okay well now you have to go talk with the life coach about like what you're feeling because parents can't get along exactly But then they go and they tell the production how you're feeling.

[1481] And Disney Channel knows where you are emotionally mentally.

[1482] It was just like a lot.

[1483] Jenna's had our first menstrual cycle.

[1484] So we're thinking she says that might be a big part of what was happening last Tuesday on set.

[1485] It was really strange.

[1486] And then you don't want to tell them anything.

[1487] So then your first experience with the therapist is okay.

[1488] Life imitating art. Wednesday's relationship with her therapist.

[1489] It's not ideal.

[1490] I don't think they're going to have a breakthrough.

[1491] No. You should talk to Jeanette.

[1492] McCurdy, unless you already have.

[1493] No, I've never met her, actually.

[1494] I feel like you guys would have a lot to talk about.

[1495] She had really great success with that book.

[1496] I think my mom read it, actually, and my mom told me to read the book because she said she sounds like you.

[1497] Yes.

[1498] Although her mother much different than your mother.

[1499] Yeah, yeah, a very different situation there.

[1500] But the other circumstances, she might be a good person.

[1501] We loved her.

[1502] We had her right here.

[1503] We loved her.

[1504] We're trying to really take charge of your life here.

[1505] Now I feel dumb about it.

[1506] Why?

[1507] But I agree.

[1508] I'm like, yes, that should be your mentor.

[1509] It's nice.

[1510] I know.

[1511] She says she didn't have anyone to advise her.

[1512] Jeanette would be a great person.

[1513] I know.

[1514] I know.

[1515] You're right.

[1516] But I also was like, not us.

[1517] You keep pitching us.

[1518] I just want to be the Denzel character.

[1519] There's a car chase.

[1520] You have too many fans.

[1521] I can get us out of there quick.

[1522] I love to drive.

[1523] Let's get out of here.

[1524] That's really what I'm a getaway car.

[1525] Management, you know what?

[1526] That was just a joke.

[1527] Whether or not you find a mentor, I'm going to leave that to you.

[1528] But getaway shit.

[1529] Look around.

[1530] There's so much horsepower in the driveway.

[1531] It would be stupid and foolish of you not to take me. The driveway, you couldn't find.

[1532] That's right.

[1533] I should just start a few vehicles.

[1534] Again.

[1535] Oh, here's a fun question.

[1536] You're making money when you're teens.

[1537] Yeah.

[1538] I just fantasized about what I would have done if I was making lots of money when I was a kid.

[1539] Did you buy anything stupid?

[1540] No, I'm the worst.

[1541] I cannot shop because there was always so many kids in my family.

[1542] You would have felt like an asshole driving a Bentley or something.

[1543] No, I feel like we grew up in a very frugal...

[1544] environment, we weren't going to spend money that we didn't have.

[1545] And my mother grew up very poor.

[1546] Like, I feel like our mindset was always safe, save, save that I don't know if I dislike shopping just because it overwhelms me and stresses me out, which is very true.

[1547] Or if it's because I'm so terrified of spending money in that way.

[1548] But I think the first thing that I ever bought was a place in Los Angeles.

[1549] And then my sister started doing competitive cheer.

[1550] And I bought her uniforms because she wanted to cheer so bad that I was like, okay, well, mom and dad don't have the money to do this.

[1551] So if you wanted you cheer so bad, I'll help pay for your first.

[1552] funding so that you could go and do that so that aspect.

[1553] I did it too, and it's a very expensive endeavor.

[1554] Monica is a two -time state champion.

[1555] That's right.

[1556] Two times.

[1557] I don't think my sister ever made it that far.

[1558] Well, it's hard to do.

[1559] It's rare.

[1560] Not everyone's Monica.

[1561] Yeah, that's right.

[1562] It's more than the outfit.

[1563] Again, I feel like I'm chasing her.

[1564] Yeah, I know.

[1565] I'm on cloud nine right now.

[1566] You've played this like a fucking strad of areas.

[1567] You have.

[1568] You've been tickling those strings.

[1569] My God.

[1570] You've got her fucking all spun out.

[1571] Oh, I love it.

[1572] Oh, my God.

[1573] I'm kicking my feet right now.

[1574] Yeah, right?

[1575] Take your shoes off because I took my shoes off.

[1576] Yeah, she's really kind of sending a lot of playful signals your way.

[1577] Everything's angled towards you and there's a lot of...

[1578] Well, I'm very safe.

[1579] I'm very safe presence.

[1580] Oh, you got your shoes back on now.

[1581] This is so weird.

[1582] I do that.

[1583] You just too inviting to her?

[1584] No, no, no. I do this.

[1585] I take a mom.

[1586] But notice how she's attracting your attention too.

[1587] Yeah.

[1588] She's fucking running this whole thing, isn't she?

[1589] We didn't finish.

[1590] So you left school.

[1591] Prom, prom.

[1592] And then so Disney decides to host like a prom for all the actors on the show.

[1593] Are a lot of them in Florida, or they're all up here now?

[1594] No, you're thinking about Disney World.

[1595] No, no, I know what, fuck you.

[1596] I know a Disney World is, you little shithead.

[1597] I think they filmed, like, Mickey Mouse Club and a lot of stuff down in Orlando.

[1598] In fact, I know they did.

[1599] They used to do a lot of production.

[1600] Never heard that.

[1601] Okay.

[1602] That was before Jenna's time.

[1603] When I shot the Disney show, we were, like, their first single camera show back because they did multi -cam for a long time.

[1604] So they did all of the Disney shows that I'm forgetting the lots because I never went there, like the ones off of sunset and things like that.

[1605] But you were at Disney?

[1606] No, we were at some random warehouse in Culver City that was not a stage.

[1607] They turned it into a stage.

[1608] So we were completely isolated from the other Disney kids, which was the other weird thing about Disney prom is, okay, all of you kids are out of school.

[1609] Let's have a nice school dance event to make you guys feel normal.

[1610] But all of the other Disney kids were shooting right next door from each other and having lunch with each other every day.

[1611] So they were best friends.

[1612] So me and my cast came and we were the outsiders because we didn't really have any connection.

[1613] or could relate to their shooting schedules.

[1614] We didn't have three days of rehearsals.

[1615] We were shooting every day for 12, 13 hours.

[1616] For the layman, single camera takes about four times as long as a multi -camera show to make.

[1617] Where was it held?

[1618] Holiday and.

[1619] Banquet.

[1620] No, they never did banquet halls.

[1621] They did banquet halls for the cast therapy sessions before you started a new season where it's like, oh, let's all do like, I phrase it as therapy, but it was like, let's form stronger relationships with one of other sort of things.

[1622] And then you all go to Disneyland after.

[1623] It was that sort of thing.

[1624] Oh, wow.

[1625] But, no, they held him at random, essentially clubs in Hollywood.

[1626] But the bar was blocked off.

[1627] It was fruit punch and whatnot.

[1628] Sure, sure, sure.

[1629] It was really weird.

[1630] Okay.

[1631] I had one more curiosity.

[1632] I don't like, you want to take your shoes off, maybe?

[1633] I mean, let's pop.

[1634] Let's get those things out.

[1635] Maybe it's a secret.

[1636] Oh, my God, we should test it out.

[1637] If you get like a big burst of inspiration.

[1638] when my shoes are all of a sudden I turn into Charlie Rose I sit like this a lot maybe that's why you haven't noticed my shoes that's exactly what's happening and I'm not across from you so it's like I got to lean over my lazy boy to see what's happening with your foot I have two Wednesday questions still well I just want to applaud the dancing scene obviously viral so you could make the argument Wednesday would never dance there's no way she's not ever going to dance I'm glad you didn't fight that instinct well initially it was supposed to be a flash mob and she was supposed to start dancing and everyone was supposed to pick up on it and start dancing with her.

[1639] And that I vetoed.

[1640] Okay, great.

[1641] Because why would she be okay with it?

[1642] Yeah, that doesn't mean.

[1643] Well, I said either cut it or have Wednesday knock someone out and then it's done.

[1644] Sleeper holes.

[1645] It was too much.

[1646] Markle's scream from the side and then that's the end of that.

[1647] But I like, because I heard you talking about it on Phelan, I guess, that Tim left it to you to come up with that dance.

[1648] Yeah.

[1649] Do you like him?

[1650] Genuinely, such a nice guy.

[1651] I feel so comfortable with him.

[1652] It was really scary working with him initially because he's so collaborative that.

[1653] that it's not that he doesn't direct you, but he almost doesn't.

[1654] Oh, wow.

[1655] Because he trusts you to make your decisions where I usually tell directors before I end, hey, if that take was shit, tell me it was shit so that I know and we can fix it.

[1656] Whereas he was, no, try whatever you want.

[1657] Yeah, yeah.

[1658] So, and if there was something that really stood out to him, then he would say something, saying, just make sure you hit this.

[1659] But he was very, very casual.

[1660] So when it came to the dance, he said, oh, we're going to hire you to work with a choreographer or anything like that.

[1661] But at that point, I was so overwhelmed.

[1662] But then, again, so protective of Wednesday that I didn't.

[1663] didn't want anyone else touching her because I stopped trusting outside opinion.

[1664] And I was like, no, I got it.

[1665] Yeah.

[1666] I'll handle it.

[1667] I should know her at this point.

[1668] Don't even worry about it.

[1669] And then, yeah, like two weeks before we were supposed to shoot the scene, we chose the song Gugu Muck by the Cramps, which I love the cramps.

[1670] And I created this playlist of like songs that I wanted.

[1671] And Tim had also come up with Google Muck, but like separately, like two separate ideas.

[1672] They overlap.

[1673] Yeah.

[1674] So we're, oh, okay.

[1675] Well, then this is it.

[1676] So then I had two weeks to start the dance, but we were doing fencing, and I was speaking German for the first time that week, and I was doing the four seasons, Vivaldi on the cello, like it was a crazy time.

[1677] And then two days before we did the dance, Tim came knocking on my door.

[1678] And he was like, I just want to talk to you about the dance.

[1679] How was it coming along?

[1680] Two days before, Monica.

[1681] Yeah, I was like, oh, it's so good.

[1682] Yeah, I was like, it's so great.

[1683] And he was like, do you have any, like, inspiration or whatever?

[1684] And I had been watching videos.

[1685] Like, I knew that it was coming up, so I'd go to bed.

[1686] Susie and the benchy's great pick.

[1687] Well, in the script, they said that they were thinking, Susie and the Bansheets meets John Travolta, Uma Thurman, Pulp Fiction, like it needed.

[1688] It was weird because I wanted her dance to be very chaotic, but the song that they chose is a very surf rock.

[1689] So there's a swing to that, like a twist.

[1690] It's punctuated, the performance.

[1691] It's like it's stopping, it's starting, it's stopping.

[1692] Well, I took that from Dennis Levant in Bo Chaville at the end of that film that he did.

[1693] I don't know what that you just.

[1694] Oh, my God.

[1695] I will show you, once we're done, the greatest final scene of all time.

[1696] It's him dancing.

[1697] But he goes into this.

[1698] sporadic motion and then stops.

[1699] And then he does his walk around and he does whatever.

[1700] And I feel like that was very Wednesday.

[1701] So I stole that and took that.

[1702] But then the actual dance, I remember the night before he was like, let's just see what it's going to look like tomorrow so we can kind of plan out our shots.

[1703] And I just kind of had to take the shots that I remember seeing in videos and also things that felt weird to me because there were certain things that I wanted to pay amaz too, like the original Wednesday.

[1704] I was like, okay, that little shuffle definitely is going to be in there.

[1705] And then in front of him, I just kind of put it together.

[1706] And then that was that.

[1707] And then we shot it the next day.

[1708] What was the sense of relief when it was over?

[1709] Like, oh, my God, I can't believe I got through that.

[1710] That could have gone either way.

[1711] No, it was awful because I thought.

[1712] Oh, you drove home probably thinking you sucked.

[1713] Yeah, I'm usually over prepared for that sort of thing.

[1714] So I was like, oh, imagine if I actually did like really, really, yeah, worked on it.

[1715] Had worked on it the entire two weeks.

[1716] Yeah.

[1717] Then it would have been maybe a better outcome.

[1718] And I'm never taking a dance lesson.

[1719] So I was like, oh, yeah, this girl who's good at everything.

[1720] Let's just go and dance like an idiot and do whatever.

[1721] It was the worst.

[1722] Do you go out dancing in real life?

[1723] More recently now, yeah.

[1724] Yeah, wonderful.

[1725] It's the best activity of human can do, right?

[1726] It's the best.

[1727] Yeah.

[1728] Anyone who gets insecure about that sort of thing, I feel so bad for it because it's actually better if you kind of suck at it.

[1729] You can't do bad as long as you give yourself to it.

[1730] You're enjoying it.

[1731] Right.

[1732] You just can't be self -conscious of it.

[1733] That's all.

[1734] That's the only rule.

[1735] You can dance like a fucking idiot.

[1736] And if you can have the facade of, I don't give a fuck, it works.

[1737] It's so interesting and cool to me when.

[1738] people actually are bad.

[1739] Yeah, sure.

[1740] I bet that dance helped a lot of kids feel like that because that was so awesome and not technically perfect and a little crazy and chaotic.

[1741] I bet it was like, oh, she can do that, I can do that.

[1742] He's got to own it.

[1743] Yeah.

[1744] The seminal dance routine for my childhood, which I bet they were kind of thinking, which is why maybe they wanted everyone to join in, was Can't Buy Me Love.

[1745] I bring it up all the time.

[1746] But Patrick Dempsey, he had to go to a big dance prom.

[1747] He's never been.

[1748] He's a nerd.

[1749] He's tricked this girl into being with him.

[1750] and so he thinks he's watching dance videos on PBS and he learns the African Annener Dance and he goes and it's objectively so embarrassing but he's now popular and everyone starts doing the African and eater dance and I bet that's what someone was in the back of their mind definitely but why would ones that ever be mainstream or why would she ever be the popular girl She wouldn't or why would she ever be okay like she would ruin it on purpose Yes and then it would be somehow wow that's really great I fell for it I would probably start trying to mimic it at that point.

[1751] Now, knowing you're going back, you're not going to Romania, I heard, right?

[1752] No, I think they're changing location.

[1753] Well, because we went there for tax purposes and then they didn't give them to us.

[1754] Sure.

[1755] Yeah, I think frustrated Tim a little bit because we were not scammed, but someone pulled the plug on something that was supposed to be good for us.

[1756] Yeah, and all love and praise to Romania, maybe not your place you're going to pick to have your social life.

[1757] It was hard, too, because they were in a red zone and it was the pandemic.

[1758] So Everything closed at five.

[1759] And some of the people that I met in Romania, I'm still in contact with.

[1760] Genuinely, sweetest, greatest people ever.

[1761] But I think that any first season on a show, especially when your family is going to bed, when you're waking up, it's so isolating.

[1762] I went there when I was 18.

[1763] To be on the other side of the world away from family with a bunch of strangers, all young.

[1764] None of us know what we're doing.

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] All of us are doing.

[1767] During a pandemic, that's scary.

[1768] It was just, I think timing more than anything was really, really off.

[1769] What cast member did you end up becoming bestest friends with?

[1770] There's a couple of them.

[1771] Percy and Georgie.

[1772] They were two of the guys on the show.

[1773] What character did they play?

[1774] Xavier and then another one was Ajax.

[1775] I got to look him up.

[1776] I don't know.

[1777] Ajax, he was the one with the beanie.

[1778] He had the snakes coming out of us.

[1779] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1780] And then Xavier was the angsty painter.

[1781] Yeah, yeah.

[1782] Anxie painter who used to date Bianca the mermaid.

[1783] Yes, big character.

[1784] That's the one I'm rooting for.

[1785] When you watch Veronica Marr's, that's Logan.

[1786] Oh, I mean, yeah, but Xavier's like night.

[1787] I guess he was kind of scared.

[1788] Well, he's kind of angsty.

[1789] He's angsty.

[1790] You're right.

[1791] You're right.

[1792] Yeah, he's a bad boy.

[1793] But we all lived in the same apartment building.

[1794] So they would like wait for me after I wrap shooting to like go for walks or they would like cook me dinner or they would clean apartments.

[1795] Literally we mothered each other.

[1796] Yeah.

[1797] So it's like whenever someone was busier like going through something, we were there.

[1798] And he has a girl for.

[1799] I think they're both not dating anyone right now.

[1800] Okay, I don't know why you guys are in love.

[1801] That feels like a really nice place to fall in love.

[1802] You're just taking walks and stuff in Romania.

[1803] Again, I think it's because they know that's not something that I'm ever interested in.

[1804] And then also the way that we communicate with each other, we know too much about each other.

[1805] Okay.

[1806] It's like we're kind of grossed out by each other at this point.

[1807] Maybe in like 20 years.

[1808] I'm also making bad assumptions, outdated assumptions.

[1809] Yeah, you are.

[1810] And also it's like maybe there'll be an Ashton and Mila situation 20 years down the road.

[1811] You're establishing your friendship now.

[1812] We just don't know.

[1813] We don't want to make it.

[1814] We don't know.

[1815] And you could like girls.

[1816] I'm stupidly suggesting everyone be heterosexual.

[1817] There's also Emma, who plays Enid.

[1818] I don't think I've ever been so protective of somebody.

[1819] I think about her all the time.

[1820] I only ever want to make sure she's okay and good.

[1821] She must have that essence a little bit in real life.

[1822] Definitely.

[1823] We get along so naturally.

[1824] I'm so easily comfortable around her.

[1825] I used to wake up every day in Romania.

[1826] And before I was even conscious, I would do voice.

[1827] voice memos, and I would sing her a new song every day talking about how beautiful and wonderful she was and how she was going to have the best day ever.

[1828] And I was like, whatever, like, I have never had that desire or urge for anybody else.

[1829] You were, like, nurturing.

[1830] Yeah, that's a good thing.

[1831] She seems awesome.

[1832] Yeah, she's a sweetheart.

[1833] She's a real person.

[1834] All three of them are.

[1835] Yeah.

[1836] So that was another thing, too.

[1837] Friends that I made there are kind of my only friends at the moment, you know?

[1838] Yeah.

[1839] Well, Jenna, this has been a blast.

[1840] Monica won the day.

[1841] That's fine.

[1842] I'm excited for her.

[1843] It's a big victory.

[1844] It's really good.

[1845] I hope you remember this.

[1846] Oh, I will.

[1847] I will.

[1848] Eyeliner still looks nice.

[1849] Thank you.

[1850] Thanks for throwing me that bone.

[1851] I know that hurt a little bit, but I appreciate it.

[1852] Close your eyes.

[1853] Let me see the lids.

[1854] Actually, it doesn't look that nice.

[1855] It's a good smudge.

[1856] It's like very smudgy, which is a look.

[1857] It's a bit gray.

[1858] You say it's a bit gray?

[1859] You should have heard Monica go fall at the notion Paul Rudd was older than me the other day.

[1860] The hits are coming this week.

[1861] No, I'm sorry.

[1862] That's a thing with him.

[1863] I know, I know you were really, couldn't believe he was older.

[1864] He is the fountain of youth.

[1865] He looks my age.

[1866] He looks 24.

[1867] He looks Jenna's age.

[1868] He's gorgeous.

[1869] He's so great.

[1870] He's so beautiful.

[1871] For an older man, honestly, I can't think of any other actor in his category that is so special and engaging and charming than him.

[1872] I know.

[1873] I almost forget everybody else is.

[1874] This is why you and Monica are getting along so well.

[1875] Who's in his league?

[1876] I truly don't know.

[1877] Monica said he's at 100 % of people's, um.

[1878] 95.

[1879] 95 % of people's Hall Pass.

[1880] She's fucking with you, though.

[1881] You know that, right?

[1882] Yeah, yeah, I do.

[1883] I just wanted you to know that.

[1884] Okay, I cannot wait.

[1885] I hope you guys do a thousand seasons.

[1886] It sounds like it's too hard, and I don't want it for you personally, but I want it for me selfishly.

[1887] I want to watch 10 more seasons.

[1888] I think it's going to change.

[1889] There's a lot that's happening that I feel a bit more secure and comfortable going into the second season.

[1890] I know the last thing I was going to tell you.

[1891] In the interviews I watched of you, I know a lot of actors who have been doing it for 30 years and they don't know what glycerin is.

[1892] They don't know what polo is.

[1893] They don't know what the dolly is.

[1894] They don't know what a gaffer is.

[1895] They don't know what a gaffer.

[1896] They don't know what this lens is.

[1897] Which is fine.

[1898] I don't give a fuck.

[1899] Some of the best actors, they're not going to concern themselves.

[1900] It makes sense.

[1901] I'm so interested in all that stuff.

[1902] As soon as I got them, how does all this work?

[1903] I need to know about everything that works.

[1904] My wife's the same way.

[1905] Knowing what you've already picked up just some of the things I heard you say, I'm like, oh, you're getting a very good global awareness of how the sausage is made.

[1906] And clearly you're going to make stuff.

[1907] I see that for you in the future.

[1908] I think there's a big part of me that would much rather direct than act.

[1909] And I kind of look at my acting career as, okay, yeah, if I get to a good enough point, then maybe I could go with the script on a day to a studio and be like, hey, fun me while I do this.

[1910] Yes, yes.

[1911] And you're right.

[1912] And so, yeah, maybe you'll write and direct and act and all that stuff.

[1913] And it's so fun.

[1914] I'm really, really excited.

[1915] I haven't been excited by an actor in a while.

[1916] Monica will tell you, I came in here, talk about you every fact check.

[1917] I'm like, yeah, the whole time watching it.

[1918] Yes, blown away.

[1919] So, and it's really fun that we got to talk to you now at this stage.

[1920] You have to remember us I don't know We've had the presidents on I mean I don't I'm not worried about I want to come back I want to see how it morphs Yeah but I don't think you can outgrow us Now I'm defensive Oh you're getting defensive Yes I am Yeah yeah We can't be outgrown Yeah Okay Yeah Natalie Portman was on You know My boyfriend Matt Damon Is this thing still in those shower Wait are you talking about the Boston guys Matt Damon and Ben Affle like yeah Interesting They're my boyfriends I got it And her whole life posters the whole nine and then when we interviewed Matt Damon he kissed her on the forehead and there's a look at Monica's face and I've known her for 10 years I didn't know her face could make this look It's actually it's not the one I love but there's a standee's in this shower right here Yeah the one of him kissing my head is at my house It's at my apartment on her ceiling It's literally about her bed cut out Before she ever met him when she just had started as a babysitter at her house We snuck into her house and we put a poster of Matt Damon above her bed I think that's lore That didn't happen I want to believe in that You're thinking about Anthony Banderas And we also did that Estonia, yes And Anthony Oh my God Well also when we first started the show I printed it up Like he had done the show And I snuck that in your apartment You did do that That was really special Yeah yeah yeah Anyway he's a big part of my life And so yeah We can't be outgrown That's right That's right you agree now All right Jenna I adore you I hope you move to this side of the neighborhood I'm literally already so close is the thing.

[1921] Then you're already here.

[1922] But walks, we can go tour the Hodel murder scene together maybe.

[1923] To my new home.

[1924] Bring your starter pistol.

[1925] Oh, that would be so great if you live there.

[1926] I could just go like sniff around in the basement where it will happen.

[1927] I feel like that would be very on brand for Wednesday.

[1928] Not necessarily for you, but for Wednesday.

[1929] I think a little on brand for me too.

[1930] Okay, great.

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] Just naturally.

[1933] Great.

[1934] Perfect.

[1935] All right.

[1936] Well, I hope you had fun on your second podcast.

[1937] I did.

[1938] And we'll see you the next time you're promoting.

[1939] money something great meeting so much and now my favorite part of the show the fact check with my soulmate monica padman oh boy what's snotty i'm just snotty are you on a d i need to go get some from the scary ride aid what about the new cute pharmacy r and d that the girl from right i know where's that it's right at franklin and hillhurst it's in that little plaza like if you take franklin to hillhurst to go home uh -huh when you're at the light if you look to your lap there's a plaza right To the left of you.

[1940] That store and stuff.

[1941] It's a weird little plastic It's in there.

[1942] It's called R &D.

[1943] Okay.

[1944] I love her.

[1945] I switched to there.

[1946] Okay.

[1947] Yeah, and you'd be helping that cute woman.

[1948] I love her.

[1949] Yeah.

[1950] Give a shout to R &D pharmacy.

[1951] If you live in Los Phyllis, use R &D pharmacy.

[1952] We love the pharmacist.

[1953] We had a beef, her and I. You did?

[1954] Mm -hmm.

[1955] Oh, my God.

[1956] I didn't know that.

[1957] We were enemies.

[1958] For like four hours.

[1959] Over what?

[1960] This is years ago.

[1961] Okay.

[1962] I had to pick up prescriptions for Kristen, maybe you, I don't remember.

[1963] Something was happening where she wouldn't release them to you?

[1964] Yes.

[1965] And I was panicked and also like, this is my job and I, I don't, you know, whatever.

[1966] So we were in a beef.

[1967] Okay.

[1968] But we became fast friends.

[1969] Now I love her.

[1970] Oh, that's the best kind of friends when you started.

[1971] She loves me. She helps me out.

[1972] And then she left that right.

[1973] Well, that right it closed down.

[1974] That right.

[1975] I closed down.

[1976] I think they moved her out somewhere further.

[1977] and then she started her own thing, R &D.

[1978] R &D.

[1979] If you live in anywhere in Los Angeles, that's where you should go.

[1980] Even if you live in Nevada, you should use R &D.

[1981] Rosalind.

[1982] Yeah.

[1983] Yeah.

[1984] Rosalind.

[1985] Rosalind.

[1986] How do you know that?

[1987] Their website has her picture.

[1988] Oh, they're so fast.

[1989] We're both still sick.

[1990] You more than me. I'm a week ahead of you, luckily.

[1991] I can tell you have it worse than me. Well, I'm annoyed because when you ask me, last, you were like, is your nose just running like crazy?

[1992] And I said, no, at that time, it wasn't.

[1993] And now it is.

[1994] And then it started.

[1995] And I should have been on the other end of this segment, like getting better and it got worse.

[1996] Yeah.

[1997] Mine started too.

[1998] Yeah, I mean, you also said Natalie had it, right?

[1999] Yeah, she's better.

[2000] Vincent's now been sick for a couple years.

[2001] It's going around the city.

[2002] It was snowing in L .A. yesterday.

[2003] So of course, everyone's sick.

[2004] Yeah.

[2005] Lucky, brilliant mechanic to the stars.

[2006] He's on a bunch of motor trend shows.

[2007] He works on my 454s, thank God.

[2008] He's so talented.

[2009] And he sent me a picture of my truck and it was completely covered in hail and torrents.

[2010] Then I got all nervous that the hood was all done it up.

[2011] And then I just examined it because it's back and no denties.

[2012] Beautiful.

[2013] But yeah, in L .A., the truck covered in ice?

[2014] What?

[2015] I'm not okay with that.

[2016] I've been making the joke the last two days.

[2017] It's a funny joke for me. but also I said, you know, if the world just ends in two months, I'm not going to be entirely shocked.

[2018] Like, it just keeps getting worse.

[2019] Because we're all just kind of acting here in L .A. Like, oh, yeah.

[2020] Oh, 75 mile hour winds.

[2021] Yeah, okay.

[2022] Well, those don't exist in L .A. No. You know, we're just like, now that we're on day four of it, you're like, oh, right.

[2023] I mean, we're driving home last night from the Hansons.

[2024] And there's a tree down in the middle of Franklin by that 76 gas station.

[2025] Yeah.

[2026] Crazy.

[2027] I know.

[2028] Yeah.

[2029] Snow in Los Angeles.

[2030] Snow in L .A. is not.

[2031] It feels like a biblical warning.

[2032] It's the plagues.

[2033] It's when hell freezes over.

[2034] I mean, it's literally all of those things.

[2035] Yeah.

[2036] And although it is a joke, I did think, well, this was what it'd be like if there was like an Armagedon.

[2037] You're just adjusting really quickly.

[2038] And I can imagine like at what point you look up, there's just like fireballs flying.

[2039] You're like, oh, God, now we got fireball.

[2040] Like you get used to it really quickly.

[2041] It's true.

[2042] Yeah.

[2043] I think the end will be kind of not as panicky as you would have predicted.

[2044] Oh, that's interesting.

[2045] Yeah, you're just like, oh, wow, there's that.

[2046] Now's that.

[2047] Well, it's getting pretty serious.

[2048] I think, oh, this might be the end.

[2049] I think that's all it's going to be.

[2050] That'd be great.

[2051] Yeah.

[2052] That would be great.

[2053] Yeah, I went to bed at eight.

[2054] Last night.

[2055] Yes.

[2056] But then.

[2057] Oh, what happened?

[2058] I woke up at 9 .30, and I got really nervous.

[2059] I was like, oh, no, my body thinks I just took a nap, even though I was going to sleep.

[2060] Anic that you weren't going to be able to fall back to sleep.

[2061] And I ended up falling back asleep at like 1115, 1130.

[2062] That's a while, two hours and thinking you're not going to go back to sleep.

[2063] Yeah, I put a podcast on.

[2064] Nobody's listening.

[2065] Oh.

[2066] My favorite podcast.

[2067] Does that keep you awake or put you to sleep?

[2068] That would keep me awake.

[2069] I got to listen to something pretty boring.

[2070] No disrespect to run sure now.

[2071] Not boring.

[2072] It's not the right word.

[2073] Dense.

[2074] I got to listen to something dense.

[2075] Do you want to know the truth?

[2076] Yeah.

[2077] I had already listened to it.

[2078] There we go.

[2079] That helps.

[2080] It wasn't.

[2081] Actually, I watched it.

[2082] Now they're doing YouTube.

[2083] Oh, okay.

[2084] Videos.

[2085] And then I got it in my head yesterday.

[2086] I was like, oh, no, now I have to watch it on YouTube and listen so that they get both, both, you download, whatever it is.

[2087] The metrics need to count twice.

[2088] Uh -huh.

[2089] And so I did do that.

[2090] Wow.

[2091] You're a true fan.

[2092] I am loyal to the end.

[2093] Loyal.

[2094] Yes, I am.

[2095] They combine those metrics.

[2096] I thought maybe.

[2097] but just in case.

[2098] Although it's weird about that as they have different prices for PCM.

[2099] Video, CPMs are lower.

[2100] CPM, that's like, I can never.

[2101] So it's better for me to listen.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] Okay, that's good to know.

[2104] That's good for everyone to know.

[2105] Great value.

[2106] Really helpful.

[2107] Thank you.

[2108] Rob brought me my hot water.

[2109] You should transfer it to that gold one?

[2110] I know, but I don't like it when it's too hot.

[2111] Oh, okay.

[2112] Then you should keep it.

[2113] Oh, it's 212 degrees.

[2114] Oh, wow.

[2115] Now, I don't ever want video, but God, I wish we had a video for that moment just now.

[2116] That was a fucking John Candy spit take, like right out of a movie.

[2117] I don't want to do that.

[2118] I literally said it.

[2119] And then your whole body jumped.

[2120] Because this felt cold.

[2121] Wow.

[2122] Okay.

[2123] I just burnt my mouth.

[2124] Pretty severely, it looked like.

[2125] Your skeleton jumped out of your exoskeleton.

[2126] Wowy.

[2127] What else is going on?

[2128] Wow.

[2129] Oh, me, wow.

[2130] I similarly was very exhausted last night.

[2131] This never happens.

[2132] I fell asleep while watching TV.

[2133] Oh.

[2134] Yeah, which is nice.

[2135] I slept hard.

[2136] And then when my alarm went off at 7, I decided just to keep sleeping.

[2137] Yeah.

[2138] But I only went 12 more minutes because ultimately I get up in journal and meditate before I drive the kids of school.

[2139] But it's rare that I have that feeling where like, oh, I think I could have going to 9 or 10.

[2140] And that was this morning.

[2141] I think I could have gone to nine or ten.

[2142] Yeah.

[2143] But no, we went to school and had a little drop off.

[2144] Nice.

[2145] A big old fight in the morning.

[2146] Uh -oh.

[2147] Yeah, I had to comfort everyone.

[2148] What happened?

[2149] What happened?

[2150] You know Delta has these water babies.

[2151] Do you know her water babies?

[2152] She carries them around everywhere.

[2153] Of course.

[2154] You know, I invented water babies.

[2155] Oh, okay.

[2156] OWB.

[2157] Original water baby?

[2158] Yeah.

[2159] Okay.

[2160] Yeah, because I used to fill up the, but mine were of the bags at my grandma's house.

[2161] that you get at the grocery where you put your produce.

[2162] Like you tear it across.

[2163] Aren't those real leaky?

[2164] Yeah.

[2165] High risk.

[2166] Delta uses surgical gloves.

[2167] She does.

[2168] And she's at any given time she has nine to ten water babies.

[2169] They're all over the house.

[2170] They break all the time.

[2171] You know, it's a...

[2172] She tries to tie the leaks up.

[2173] And she does.

[2174] Sometimes it works, which I'm pretty shocked.

[2175] Yeah.

[2176] I think ultimately she may go into some kind of patch repair work.

[2177] Yeah.

[2178] Or surgery.

[2179] That too, I guess.

[2180] Oh, I mean, it runs in the family, kind of.

[2181] That was a compliment to you.

[2182] Thank you.

[2183] So I think Delta had some business with her water babies in their shared bathroom, and she had all the lights on.

[2184] Oh.

[2185] And then Lincoln had something about she can't see herself in the mirror with one of the lights on.

[2186] So she came in and turned it off.

[2187] Okay.

[2188] And then Delta, she's a hothead.

[2189] So she responded by yelling and then turned it back on.

[2190] Then Lincoln turned it off.

[2191] Uh -oh.

[2192] Then I think the order of events was Delta.

[2193] went and got a chair.

[2194] Uh -oh.

[2195] He came at her with a chair.

[2196] Oh, my.

[2197] But I wasn't going to hit her.

[2198] Yeah, it was just a threat.

[2199] How do you know?

[2200] There's like a little animal, a little warthog running at you, holding a chair.

[2201] Somehow, then a book was thrown, Delta threw a book at Lincoln, and then Lincoln, you know, understandably, she let her have it.

[2202] She put her on the ground and took control of her body before she could hit her or assault her with anything else.

[2203] And then, of course, Delta feels powerless and out of control.

[2204] So when she came into the room, she was.

[2205] sad.

[2206] Sure.

[2207] So I'm trying to comfort her and okay and then what happened and yeah okay now we're oh I hate feeling powerless.

[2208] Did you feel powerless?

[2209] Yeah I felt powerless daddy and then now Lincoln's on the scene she wants to give her.

[2210] Defend herself.

[2211] Yes and I will give her credit man for a nine year old she was able to sit there and listen to Delta tell the whole story without interrupting her.

[2212] That's incredible.

[2213] Adults have a hard time doing that but she was able to and I started to hear Lincoln side of it and then I I think Lincoln felt like I was taking Delta side but I was just trying to comfort Delta and calm her down because we got to be out the door in three minutes.

[2214] Oh, this is stressful.

[2215] Yeah, and no one's eating breakfast and they're supposed to be eating breakfast.

[2216] Yeah, whatever.

[2217] We all made it.

[2218] Everyone was cool.

[2219] Everyone got to school.

[2220] Lincoln split and I said to Delta you know if you were to apologize to Lincoln for the parts that you did wrong in the fight it doesn't mean you're saying she didn't do anything wrong.

[2221] You're right.

[2222] I'm going to say So she went and said sorry.

[2223] And then we were all honky dory and went to school.

[2224] Great.

[2225] Yeah.

[2226] When we were in Hawaii, this reminds me, we were in Hawaii, we went to a restaurant, outdoor.

[2227] There was a golf course right there.

[2228] Like, people weren't on it.

[2229] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[2230] But there was a golf course.

[2231] And so the owner of the restaurant gave all the kids these little putters and balls.

[2232] Yes, to go play out.

[2233] There was about like 12 other little kids at this restaurant.

[2234] So they're all playing as well.

[2235] Yes.

[2236] And then Delta, of course, gets hit.

[2237] by one of the...

[2238] With the golf club and the head.

[2239] Yeah.

[2240] No, the arm.

[2241] Oh, is the arm.

[2242] But it was like so bound to happen with all these kids, like, acting foolish.

[2243] Everyone's swinging golf clubs.

[2244] Yes.

[2245] She's crying.

[2246] It hurts really bad.

[2247] She had like a lump, you know.

[2248] Contingion.

[2249] Yeah.

[2250] And the hematoma.

[2251] Hematoma.

[2252] And she was crying.

[2253] And then pretty quickly, she said, it's kind of my fault because I got, I was too close.

[2254] She really owned it so fast.

[2255] Her part.

[2256] She really, and she was doing that this morning, too.

[2257] It's pretty mind -blowing.

[2258] It is.

[2259] I mean, I think she's doing it quicker than I can do it, actually.

[2260] Yeah.

[2261] Definitely faster than I can do it.

[2262] I think, what is it?

[2263] Is it new kids?

[2264] Like this new age of kids.

[2265] They're just emotionally in tune.

[2266] Well, certainly, yeah, we get to hear all the little girls in the pod have fights and then navigate out of them and yeah it's pretty impressive yeah it's not how it worked when I was a kid no no you just ignored them until it all blew over and then all of a sudden you looked up and you're all playing together again but you don't know how it happened and then it repeats itself yeah it's true um who's this for this is for jena or tega ah Wednesday okay I'm gonna air our grievance it's against vanity fair okay buckle up It's not the enemy we want to make.

[2267] No, it's really not.

[2268] Is it worth it?

[2269] Well, you can tell.

[2270] I mean, you'll decide.

[2271] Okay.

[2272] So it's on my Apple news feed in the morning when I'm making my tootie in the commode.

[2273] Yeah, my putty in the tootie, I will, I don't know, every third morning I'll get sucked into that news feed.

[2274] I see on there, I forget the headline, but it's like, you know, Woody Harrelson's terrible.

[2275] S &L hosting.

[2276] And it uses that word?

[2277] It's her, you know what?

[2278] I don't want to do it.

[2279] Yeah, let me see if I can pull it.

[2280] Because I don't, I want to do it justice.

[2281] I don't want to defame.

[2282] And this is the Apple news thing that comes up.

[2283] Did you get it already?

[2284] Woody Harrelson really blew it on SNL.

[2285] Oh, God.

[2286] So that's a fucking headline, right?

[2287] Vanity Fair.

[2288] Woody Harrelson really blew it on SNO.

[2289] Did you read it?

[2290] Oh, yeah.

[2291] Mind you, I've not seen him host, right?

[2292] What I do first is I, read this article right the emmy winner launched his fifth hosting gig with a rambling nonsensical monologue and the show never recovered woodie harrison had one cogent moment in this mess of a monologue during last night's saturday night live in one of the thousands of tangential asides he described telling a friend true detectives nick was a lotto whom harrison visited an austin the week prior and is a meet eater, and none of this mattered to the monologue, but is an example of how windy the seven minutes was, how he starts smoking pot around noon and then gets progressively dumber as the day goes on.

[2293] This was about 11 .40 p .m. Eastern.

[2294] Maybe the writers just wanted to send up Harrelson's reputation as a blowsy stoner.

[2295] And indeed, that was a joke in multiple sketches throughout the show.

[2296] That would mean the monologue's crime was one of lazy writing that hung Harrelson out to dry.

[2297] The trip to Austin the shout -outs to his single handsome manager drug mule jeremy in the audience the trees in central park his anarchist marxist deconstructionist learnings the seven months he quit drinking last year it was chaotic in rambling and boring and oof embarrassing uncle woody is talking nonsense and needs to go to bed but then matters took a gross turn that vw flower stickered bus of thought all led up to his punchline about this unbelievable script he read three years ago get this the largest drug cartels in the world have bought all the media and politicians in doing so they are able to convince a vulnerable human race that it's in danger and needs to quarantine for its survival the only way they can come out of lockdown is to take the cartels drugs uncle woody is on youtube and forwarding emails again harrison is such an affable figure his blue eyes swim with good intentions, but talking to the stage to float conspiracy theories disguised as provocative humor is both intellectually dishonest and tedious.

[2298] Okay, I watch the monologue.

[2299] The monologues a C. Yeah.

[2300] I watched after seeing stuff too, and it was...

[2301] It's fine.

[2302] It's not a good monologue.

[2303] This is insane.

[2304] I can't believe the person wrote this based on watching the same seven minutes.

[2305] You mean like a Vax joke and that was it.

[2306] Yeah.

[2307] I'm reading this thinking, wow, what are Errolson's out there perpetuating conspiracy theories about quarantine?

[2308] No, not at all.

[2309] What are they referring to?

[2310] They have to referring to something.

[2311] Literally, that was it.

[2312] Like, he just said, I was reading a script and it's almost word for word, but they're acting like he had some crazy agenda and then he elaborated and then it went on and on and then it was disguised as a joke.

[2313] None of that happened.

[2314] Yeah.

[2315] It wasn't terrible.

[2316] No one was lazy.

[2317] It's just a C monologue.

[2318] That's it.

[2319] Yeah.

[2320] I was like, how could they have sat down and spent that much time?

[2321] shitting on him and the writers.

[2322] Well, this is a weird conversation we're having, right?

[2323] Why?

[2324] It's a circular conversation and that I totally agree that that's, why would you write that?

[2325] Well, it's just that.

[2326] But I also then, we're going to do the same thing right now to them.

[2327] They're criticizing that monologue.

[2328] Right.

[2329] And we're about to criticize what they wrote about that monologue.

[2330] Yeah.

[2331] Well, I wouldn't say, I'm saying I'm here to defend Woody Harrelson.

[2332] Okay.

[2333] And the writers of S &L.

[2334] I haven't gone to look at this writer.

[2335] I haven't said their name.

[2336] I haven't gone to look at their stuff.

[2337] I'm not critiquing what they wrote.

[2338] This person, either they really think that, which is they shouldn't be reviewing monologues.

[2339] Because it's really just an innocuous monologue, truly.

[2340] Or they are really shamelessly clickbaiting, which worked.

[2341] Because I saw that.

[2342] I'm like, well, what did he do?

[2343] Do he pee his pants?

[2344] Did he fall down?

[2345] Did he go up on his lines?

[2346] Was it silent for four minutes?

[2347] I mean, blew it on us and.

[2348] is such a claim.

[2349] It is.

[2350] Yeah.

[2351] So I think it's different in that I'm defending somebody.

[2352] I get that, yeah.

[2353] I'm not sure what valiant thing this person was doing, protecting the integrity of, I'm not.

[2354] No, it's not.

[2355] I don't know.

[2356] You can let it rip.

[2357] There's nothing to say other than, I think that's really shitty what they did.

[2358] So that I don't want to then do that.

[2359] I don't want to say anything about her because I don't want people to read that because I do think that's not healthy.

[2360] That's, like, not a good thing to be out in the universe.

[2361] Yeah.

[2362] Why?

[2363] Like, why?

[2364] Why write an article about that?

[2365] I mean, I'm sure maybe she had to.

[2366] I don't know what's happening.

[2367] Like, I don't know if they are told they have to write this.

[2368] They wait until they see something they don't like and then write about it or they're assigned.

[2369] I'm saying, like, you got to cover, you got to cover us and L as your beat.

[2370] And so then she had to, like, pick a, she had to have a take away.

[2371] I don't know, but I. Well, because that I could, well, I'll, then I can empathize with her or him.

[2372] by saying there's really nothing you could write about it.

[2373] Again, it was a C. So you can't say it was great.

[2374] You can't say it was terrible.

[2375] You can't say he's a conspiracy theory.

[2376] Like all this is a lot.

[2377] Such a stretch.

[2378] It's quite a reaction.

[2379] It's a very extreme review.

[2380] I know what you're saying.

[2381] Like, okay, so now we're being, they were mean to him.

[2382] Now we're being mean to them.

[2383] But part of me also feels like there's no criticism of criticism.

[2384] Well, there's plenty of criticism against the press.

[2385] They're the last word.

[2386] Well, no. But where does it exist?

[2387] What magazine's reviewing?

[2388] Twitter.

[2389] I mean, everywhere.

[2390] Twitter.

[2391] Like, there's tons of, we can't say that the press doesn't get criticized because that's like what has been happening for the past.

[2392] However, I'm saying reviewers.

[2393] I think it's okay to call out that the industry as a result of the marketplace and the click economy, that when they're just blasting people and fucking up, I feel like someone needs to go, you can.

[2394] guys are way off.

[2395] I mean, the fact that it's in Vandy Fair is fucking embarrassing to Vanity Fair.

[2396] Vanity Fair is a fucking excellent magazine has been forever.

[2397] This is so low.

[2398] I mean, this should be in Star.

[2399] Right.

[2400] I do agree.

[2401] Like, that's so weird.

[2402] God, I do.

[2403] That opens up a broader question about magazines and these illustrious ones that I do feel have, maybe they feel that they have to stoop to some other levels now because there's so much out there and there are so many headlines and like nice headlines don't get attention.

[2404] No, I think that's the truth.

[2405] That's what I said.

[2406] I think they're sadly responding to a marketplace force, which is unfortunate.

[2407] But at the same time, we have to fight back against it.

[2408] New York Times can't respond to market forces.

[2409] News can't respond to market forces.

[2410] Or we have exactly what we have, fucking CNN, which is like the Bible of the left.

[2411] And Fox News, the Bible, the right.

[2412] And no one has any sense of what the fucking real truth is.

[2413] But it is hard because they have to make a profit.

[2414] It sucks.

[2415] I really don't know what the answer is.

[2416] Yeah.

[2417] Some of my favorite articles I've ever read that one written about the traitor that became the big short that became a great movie.

[2418] Like that starts in Vanity Fair.

[2419] Yeah, so it just mumps me out to see.

[2420] I hate to remind you about something else, Vanity Fair did.

[2421] Oh, what they did.

[2422] That's the Husson thing.

[2423] No, that was GQ.

[2424] I'm pretty sure.

[2425] It's Vanity Fair lie detector.

[2426] Oh, is it?

[2427] I'm pretty sure.

[2428] Yep.

[2429] That is Vanity Fair.

[2430] Oh, God, okay.

[2431] Yeah, I know.

[2432] Oh, wow.

[2433] I know.

[2434] Well, I'm still going to defend that they were a really great magazine.

[2435] I used to have a subscription.

[2436] I'm not, I was in an article about me and Vanity Fair.

[2437] How did you fare?

[2438] I fared vainly Van is vainly No it was I thought a beautiful article about me That was the one that Adam had commented for Adam Grant is that the one?

[2439] Adam did comment Rob commented Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah That's written by Maddie Kahn though So like and she's not at Vanity Fair She's not a staff writer She's a contributor Yes She has a great book that just came out too Anyhow Yeah I guess you add in that Hussin thing It's like, what is Vanity Fair asking him how hot other guys are?

[2440] That does not feel like Vanity Fair.

[2441] You know, that's their like.

[2442] Digital.

[2443] That's like their digital team.

[2444] Yeah.

[2445] It's all become that too where you need like these like YouTube videos.

[2446] Social videos.

[2447] Yeah.

[2448] So they'll blame the marketplace.

[2449] And we have to be, we have to acknowledge that that's.

[2450] Oh, real force.

[2451] True.

[2452] But I wish, do I wish there was integrity?

[2453] Yeah.

[2454] I do.

[2455] All right.

[2456] So it's.

[2457] It's like speaking of shitting on people, I'm about to.

[2458] Oh, no. After we just did this, I want to play the Laura Ingraham clip.

[2459] Oh, okay.

[2460] Well, you can do it without shitting on you just, you're just presenting something.

[2461] It's like there's no editorial.

[2462] Just here's the thing that was referenced.

[2463] You know, I was watching an episode of you where measles came up.

[2464] Wait, wait, wait, when did I mention measles?

[2465] I don't know.

[2466] It was on you.

[2467] What was on me?

[2468] What are you talking about?

[2469] Is Raymond even hearing what I'm saying?

[2470] I never had the measles.

[2471] Was on you.

[2472] We never did a, we never did a measles and vaccine episode.

[2473] Am I, is this a joke?

[2474] I don't even know what you're talking about.

[2475] It was on you.

[2476] I've never had, Raymond, I've never had measles.

[2477] What are you talking about?

[2478] This is stupid.

[2479] It was an episode of a show, Laura.

[2480] What's a call?

[2481] You, you, it's called you.

[2482] I've never done a show on measles.

[2483] I just completely give up.

[2484] We got to get it.

[2485] It's a show called you on Netflix.

[2486] There's a show called Loring of a Netflix.

[2487] What are you talking about?

[2488] I'm moving on to Adele.

[2489] I can't explain this to it.

[2490] The pop singer had an open.

[2491] Oh my God.

[2492] It's just like one of the best.

[2493] Is there real life who's on first?

[2494] It is.

[2495] It is.

[2496] Some people thought it was made up, but I don't think she's good enough of an actress.

[2497] to be able to call that.

[2498] Well, that's editorial.

[2499] I think she's a great.

[2500] My opinion, I'm all, okay, I guess do we think if in that Vanity Fair article they had said, in my opinion, would you have cared as much?

[2501] I think it's implicit that it's, well, that's a great.

[2502] That's a great thing.

[2503] No, I mean, I know it's their opinion.

[2504] Yeah, exactly.

[2505] Yeah, so it's great.

[2506] So, yeah, it's in your opinion.

[2507] What I would say is you are very bad at being critical or debriefing on something.

[2508] I just, for me, if somebody says in my opinion, I give a lot, I mean, I don't think you can say in my opinion in a Vanity Fair article.

[2509] Like, that's like, that'd be kind of stupid.

[2510] Yeah.

[2511] But I give a lot of leeway for that phrase because everyone does have an opinion.

[2512] Yes, it's a nice way to say.

[2513] Like, I'm not saying this is the facts.

[2514] I'm just saying this is how I received it or interpreted it.

[2515] Yes, I love that in casual conversation.

[2516] But when your job is to critique.

[2517] Yes.

[2518] vision, and you make an enormous mountain out of what was barely a molehill, I just would argue you're not very good at that job.

[2519] Right, right.

[2520] Okay.

[2521] Okay, we talked about earthquakes.

[2522] Wait, who was this again?

[2523] Jenna.

[2524] Oh, right.

[2525] Oh, Jenna Ortega.

[2526] Wednesday.

[2527] Yeah, I got way off the path.

[2528] I was still fresh about defending Woody Harrelson.

[2529] Yeah.

[2530] Okay.

[2531] Speaking of that, so are you saying it because it pops up on your phone, right?

[2532] Uh -huh.

[2533] Yeah.

[2534] The news stuff.

[2535] that pops up on my feed is so stupid.

[2536] Oh, like really bad.

[2537] Like something popped up the other day.

[2538] It was about Ben, my boyfriend.

[2539] Well, see, that means it's good.

[2540] It's figured out that you like Ben.

[2541] Like, mine's all about Ukraine which I read every article about Ukraine.

[2542] Well, no, I'm not saying that to elevate my.

[2543] I'm just saying mine is largely about the Ukraine, which I do read every article I can about war progress.

[2544] in the Ukraine.

[2545] So mine's serving me up exactly what I'm reading.

[2546] I mean, it's trying, but it was, it was such a, it was like, you farted or something?

[2547] It was something, like, not, but basically, like something so trivial, asinine.

[2548] I'm like, someone took the time to write this, and now it's up on my feed as if, like, it's important, but it shouldn't be on act, like, on the news feed.

[2549] Here's what I can, I'm going to be even more clear.

[2550] This is actually what I really disliked.

[2551] like about that vandy fair thing is most people i'm imagining saw it in their newsfeed like i did they read the main quote that says woody harrison really blew it on s andl they don't read the article nor do they go watch the clip yes and so now they literally are out in public and there's conversations yeah i heard he really should the bet and a bunch of people are just agreeing now it becomes consensus no one's actually seen it that's what i don't like i agree that the fucking And headline is everything.

[2552] I know.

[2553] I agree.

[2554] I mean, that's a huge, it's been a huge issue for so long.

[2555] Was it his parallel parking crisis?

[2556] Yes.

[2557] Oh, my God.

[2558] What did he, what happened?

[2559] Something about, it took him a long time to parallel park.

[2560] Like, this is such a waste.

[2561] And also, like, leave him alone.

[2562] Leave him alone.

[2563] It's taking him a long time to parallel park.

[2564] I told you this way.

[2565] What the fuck?

[2566] You know this story.

[2567] I was on my way.

[2568] made a parenthood one morning it was colder than i was really uh giving credit for i got on my track bike which has racing slicks on it so they're really slippery when they're cold and um it was it was colder than i was anticipating i made a one mile an hour turn off of hobart onto franklin and then the back tire just completely went out drop the bike and i'm like oh fuck like and now i just and I broke off the mirror in my ribs.

[2569] So it was like, my ribs hurt.

[2570] And I'm like, gathering my shit.

[2571] I got to be at work.

[2572] I'm on my way to work.

[2573] And then a car steps immediately and a guy's getting out with this camera.

[2574] And now I'm like, the fucking lat.

[2575] You know, me and my ego about being a great driver.

[2576] I'm like, oh, my God, I'm about to have a picture taken to me in a motorcycle accident.

[2577] The quickness by which I picked that motorcycle up, got on it, and drove away before he could get a picture.

[2578] I never done anything faster in my whole life.

[2579] All of a sudden, it was just panic, like, oh, fuck, I'm about to get caught, having not been perfect.

[2580] I'm like, motorcycle.

[2581] It's just so, so, it's such a bummer.

[2582] And especially, like, with the parallel parking thing, literally yesterday or two days ago, I was trying to parallel park.

[2583] Couldn't do it.

[2584] Some days you can't do it.

[2585] Yeah.

[2586] Did you give up?

[2587] Did you throw it in the towel?

[2588] Yeah, I did.

[2589] I drove to another spot.

[2590] But if somebody was marking down how long it was taking what was going on, I mean, anyone who's ever parallel parked ever knows, like, What?

[2591] I just, I just did not like it.

[2592] And then reminded me that I like Spotify.

[2593] So, okay, just so you know, the biggest earthquakes in the country are not in California.

[2594] I know where they're at.

[2595] Okay, where?

[2596] Damn it.

[2597] Let me keep reading.

[2598] I don't actually know.

[2599] A much greater hazard, at least in terms of sheer magnitude, exists to the north of the San Andreas fault, or the ocean crust is being forced beneath the North American continent, known as the Cascadius Subduction Zone.

[2600] The 680 -mile -long stretch of colliding landmass, 50 miles offshore of Oregon, Washington State, and Southern British Columbia, is capable of generating magnitude nine earthquakes, 30 times more powerful than the worst the San Andreas can dish out.

[2601] Oh, wow.

[2602] All right.

[2603] That's scary.

[2604] I know.

[2605] It says an earthquake of this size would completely devastate the region, which includes Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver.

[2606] Oh, my gosh.

[2607] The most powerful recorded one, though, was in Alaska and Anchorage.

[2608] Okay.

[2609] 9 .2.

[2610] 9 .2.

[2611] In 1964.

[2612] Have you watched this, Doc?

[2613] I haven't.

[2614] So powerful.

[2615] Oh, gosh.

[2616] If there was a 9 .2 earthquake, I was just so horny and try to ride it and get at 6.

[2617] me, shake me more.

[2618] Oh, my God.

[2619] Can he only come out if he's asked?

[2620] No. That's not even fair.

[2621] I mean, I don't even think he doesn't respect boundaries.

[2622] Also, he may never come out again if we got to wait for him to be asked.

[2623] No, I asked him to come out the other day.

[2624] You did, you do.

[2625] I do.

[2626] But, okay, so have you watched the dog?

[2627] I have not watched it yet, but I've heard from a few people, including my favorite podcast.

[2628] they were talking about it, but also Ana, it was telling me. There's a dock on that New Zealand volcano.

[2629] I keep seeing it.

[2630] I think it's on Netflix.

[2631] And there's a lot of video from it, right?

[2632] People were recording.

[2633] Yeah.

[2634] And then there's the people who survived.

[2635] They're like, they're on it.

[2636] And they're pretty burnt.

[2637] Yeah.

[2638] And it, the stories are horrifying.

[2639] You know, I watch so many documentaries.

[2640] I'm not sure.

[2641] There's a few natural disaster ones out.

[2642] there right now.

[2643] I'm not drawn to those.

[2644] Well, are you afraid?

[2645] No, it's just like I know, now this sounds contradictory, but I just know it's just I'm going to watch people suffer.

[2646] It's hard for me to like, although I like these cult ones where ultimately people are going to suffer.

[2647] But there's just so much more complexity to that suffering.

[2648] Well, there's psychology.

[2649] Yeah, like just the earth blowing up and then everyone getting singed.

[2650] I don't know that I want to see that.

[2651] Some people are really drawn.

[2652] That's like, that's the phenomenon I've seen a car crash.

[2653] Let me back up.

[2654] There's probably some heroism and stuff to celebrate.

[2655] So I guess in the, I don't want to reduce it to just rubbernecking it.

[2656] Yeah.

[2657] I mean, I think there's something about the resilience with these people, but also trust your gut.

[2658] So one of them is there's just this couple and then she doesn't want to do it.

[2659] Doesn't want to climb the volcano?

[2660] She doesn't want to, yeah, go to the volcano.

[2661] And then they do, they're on their honeymoon.

[2662] Oh.

[2663] Anyway, it's all upsetting.

[2664] Listen to your gut.

[2665] But I don't know.

[2666] I know you don't.

[2667] I know, but that's why this is kind of interesting to talk about with you.

[2668] Knowing nothing about it, I know if they hiked up in this thing, tens of thousands of people have hiked up, not been burned.

[2669] And a couple thousand of those people, their gut was telling them not to go.

[2670] And they went and it was fine.

[2671] So it's like we can take the one time the gut was right and say forever, always listen to your gut.

[2672] I know, but would you rather be the person who just didn't enjoy a volcano?

[2673] or someone who got burnt from, like, that going on that volcano isn't so spectacular that it's worth, to me. It's a risk -reward analysis.

[2674] Yes.

[2675] And then within the risk -reward analysis, we'd probably look at total number of visitors to that volcano and its history, and it's in the millions.

[2676] And then we go, however many people were hurt or injured this time, then that's that many out of a million is your chance.

[2677] There's, uh, things have different morbidity rates.

[2678] So your odds of dying, summon Everest are in the like 10%.

[2679] Yeah.

[2680] So for me, I'm like, no, one in 10 chance of dying versus the elation of standing in Mount Everest.

[2681] I wouldn't even enjoy it.

[2682] That's easy analysis for me. But now something, go look at this volcano that like 10 million people have and no one's died.

[2683] It's just a different analysis, right?

[2684] It is.

[2685] But also there's a false sense.

[2686] I mean, it erupted.

[2687] It was 2019.

[2688] It erupted.

[2689] But then it also had in like 2016 and then again before.

[2690] So it's not like this hasn't done anything in a long time.

[2691] It does stuff.

[2692] Yeah.

[2693] There's this false sense of security when it's like this tour and people have done it and it's a honeymoon thing.

[2694] And it's like, well, it's still a volcano.

[2695] It's like these animals, these crazy animals.

[2696] It's just like these crazy animals.

[2697] It's like you think.

[2698] You mean people who have wild animals in their house?

[2699] Right.

[2700] And also like if you go.

[2701] to the zoo and they're just like, you know, nice...

[2702] Dacinal.

[2703] Yeah, and you think like, oh, I'm protected.

[2704] No, if that thing jumps out, like, you're dead.

[2705] Well, remember, this was my main thing when working with Bart the Bear.

[2706] There was a electric cable that was four inches off the ground.

[2707] And they were like, don't you worry, Bart would never cross that cable.

[2708] Exactly.

[2709] I don't know, man. Bart can step over that cable.

[2710] Well, it's like your safaris.

[2711] Like, that's to me the exact same.

[2712] Yes.

[2713] Where, okay, nothing's happened.

[2714] It's an animal.

[2715] You can put me in both camps there, right?

[2716] So I'm the one always saying, like, you know, they commonly will go, well, you don't represent their prey.

[2717] That's why they don't come in the car.

[2718] And then I always counter until they do.

[2719] They decide to.

[2720] Yeah, yeah.

[2721] Like they jumped in a fucking bus and ripped people out in South Africa.

[2722] You know, these things happen.

[2723] I just saw a video of an elephant fucking turning over one of those, you know, elephants, you can't fuck with those bowls.

[2724] Yeah.

[2725] Yeah.

[2726] But for me, so I agree.

[2727] But I then go, and it's one in 300 million people who have seen lions up close.

[2728] I value seeing a line up close.

[2729] Right.

[2730] Way more than I do seeing a volcano up close.

[2731] And then it just becomes like, yeah, on my trip on planet Earth, I would like to see a lion up close.

[2732] You know, I've been, I've been fascinating with them since I was a little boy.

[2733] And I do want to sit next to a gorilla.

[2734] And that has some probability of malfunction.

[2735] But it's just all how bad you want to do the thing.

[2736] Yeah, I guess.

[2737] I mean, I can't say because I just have such, I have no desire to do any of those things.

[2738] But a lot of it is, though, in the framing of it, because you're, I don't know.

[2739] I'm speaking out of my asshole.

[2740] Okay.

[2741] My asshole lips.

[2742] It's conceivable that your odds of getting hurt on that volcano were less than your odds of getting hurt in a car accident.

[2743] Yeah.

[2744] And you deem going to Maru worth it.

[2745] I walk.

[2746] Okay.

[2747] But, you know, anywhere you drive your car.

[2748] The mall.

[2749] Yeah, so we do compartmentalize risk in morbidity rates because some things we decide we've got to do, some things we decide we want to do bad enough.

[2750] Yeah.

[2751] So it's not like objectively what the number is either.

[2752] No, no, it's not.

[2753] Yes, we move through life with a level of risk always.

[2754] And a lot of things we do are a lot riskier than the other things that appear to be risky.

[2755] Yes, like flying versus driving.

[2756] I mean, everyone's afraid of flying, but like no one.

[2757] to die.

[2758] Yeah, no, no. Oh, knock, knock, knock.

[2759] I knocked.

[2760] I understand that.

[2761] And I have acceptance around that.

[2762] You have to if you're going to live like a semi -normal life.

[2763] Yeah.

[2764] But the extra, you know, I guess there's just levels of people, levels and tears.

[2765] And I am.

[2766] And what you want to do in life.

[2767] Like a lot of these adventurous things don't interest you at all.

[2768] Being on a motorcycle dragging your knee doesn't at all appeal to you.

[2769] So you're like, why on earth would you do this thing?

[2770] Yeah.

[2771] That has a 5x rate of death than driving a car.

[2772] Even like when we went to Hawaii and ziplining.

[2773] Yeah.

[2774] There's, are we all going to go ziplining?

[2775] No, I'm not going to go ziplining.

[2776] Because you wouldn't enjoy it.

[2777] We get a, the three of us got a huge thrill out of sailing through the air next to trees.

[2778] That to you doesn't even sound.

[2779] The reward isn't even rewarding for you.

[2780] I mean, maybe I would have loved it.

[2781] Yeah.

[2782] But I also don't have that thing of like, oh, but I might like it.

[2783] I don't know.

[2784] I should try it.

[2785] But you've been, you know, to counter you a little bit, you've been forced to do some things with me that you wouldn't have otherwise, like going in the sand car and jumping off the top of a sand dune.

[2786] Yeah.

[2787] You wouldn't be sitting at home going like, why would someone need to go jump off the top of a sand dune?

[2788] I don't even get it.

[2789] Yeah.

[2790] And then it's a little bit shocking that, oh, this is really fun and weird.

[2791] Yes.

[2792] But part of that has to do with trusting you and just wanting to be on a vacation with everyone, like enjoying people's time and company.

[2793] And then, oh, this comes with it.

[2794] Oh, that's fun.

[2795] I trust X. I'll be in, but I'm never in that sandcar, like, ooh, I want to try driving this.

[2796] Right.

[2797] Zero.

[2798] Well, yeah.

[2799] I think that's good.

[2800] And some of the other girls, I mean, everyone, a lot of people are like, oh, I'd want to, like, know what this is like.

[2801] I just do not have that.

[2802] Right.

[2803] It's kind of weird.

[2804] But you'll be in camp, so you're with everybody.

[2805] You got the thing you wanted.

[2806] And then when it's, who wants to go for a ride, you often want to go for a ride.

[2807] So you do like it on top of just the.

[2808] being out there with everyone.

[2809] I do.

[2810] Oh, God.

[2811] Do you not like it?

[2812] No, I love it.

[2813] Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

[2814] Everyone has different levels of that, I guess.

[2815] I get that from cooking.

[2816] A lot of people would watch you flying up in the air getting caught by your pussy.

[2817] That's the only, that's going on.

[2818] Who needs to be in the air that long and then be caught by their pussy?

[2819] That's the only exception.

[2820] And you know what I guess probably drove that was first early, like my desire to be a cheerleader.

[2821] Because I wanted to be.

[2822] accepted and cool popular like all of that high status in the high school world that was going to get me there and then when I got there then I was obviously going to be a flyer because I was so small but I wasn't oh my God I'm so excited to do this I was so scared and then then I felt like I was accomplishing stuff that part was also greater which maybe is the motorcycle thing a little bit, but anywho.

[2823] All right.

[2824] Well, I'm not going to go to any volcanoes.

[2825] Anytime soon.

[2826] Anytime soon.

[2827] Okay.

[2828] Are men, we'd like said it for one second, but I did really want to ask you, are men allowed, I mean, allowed, like, to sponsor women in the program?

[2829] No. Okay.

[2830] It's gender on gender.

[2831] Conventionally, I mean, there probably are cross -gendered sponsor, sponsor, sponsor, but as I was taught it, and every single human, I know that's in the program.

[2832] program.

[2833] You have a sponsor of your gender.

[2834] Because in Euphoria, Rue has a male sponsor.

[2835] I know.

[2836] That was a big.

[2837] Oh, you didn't like that?

[2838] I don't care.

[2839] So I didn't dislike it.

[2840] But every member of AA I know who loves Euphoria, which we all do.

[2841] We all have a few things with it.

[2842] It's handling addiction in an interesting way.

[2843] It's not the way that we know to be true.

[2844] A, you wouldn't have a male sponsor, especially an older male sponsor if you're a young woman.

[2845] No, that's not a. We don't need that.

[2846] Yeah.

[2847] That's just ripe with opportunity to exploit.

[2848] That's a bad idea, okay?

[2849] In my opinion, you might have a great male sponsor.

[2850] I mean, there certainly probably are.

[2851] Anyways, it doesn't matter.

[2852] I love that show.

[2853] They're marsupials.

[2854] And Tasmania.

[2855] Yeah, look how cute.

[2856] They're the cutest.

[2857] I saw like a family of four of them come out of the woods, and I was like, oh my God, there's Ewoks.

[2858] There's Ewoks over there.

[2859] They're really cute.

[2860] This one's so cute.

[2861] Oh, yeah, they are stupid cute.

[2862] But this is like when David got bit by the squirrel, just because he's cute, don't put your finger out there.

[2863] Well, what are infamously mean are those koala bears?

[2864] They attack people all the time.

[2865] They'll get hit by a car.

[2866] I guess the popular thing that happens in Australia, they get by cars all the time.

[2867] Someone sees them on the side of the road and they're injured and they try to help them and they claw the fuck out of them.

[2868] Oh, my God.

[2869] Yeah.

[2870] Yikes.

[2871] Okay, the Black Dahlia house.

[2872] It's called the John Soden house.

[2873] Also known as the Jaws house or the Franklin house.

[2874] Okay.

[2875] Built in 1926.

[2876] It's not the Mayan house.

[2877] Yeah, it's his son.

[2878] Lloyd Wright.

[2879] She was going to buy it, right?

[2880] Yeah, she was interested.

[2881] Oh, this is ding, ding, ding to New Zealand.

[2882] Volcano.

[2883] Oh, and we talked about New Zealand.

[2884] Wow.

[2885] I didn't even mean to do that.

[2886] I have something to tell you that I don't know if I even should.

[2887] Oh, boy.

[2888] Well, now I got to hear it.

[2889] I think it's going to break your heart.

[2890] Okay.

[2891] I don't think soft boiled eggs are exclusive, like, are as much of a thing in New Zealand as you want them to be.

[2892] I could call Seth Green right now and he could confirm exactly what I'm saying.

[2893] I think you guys had an ex.

[2894] heavily soft -boiled egg experience.

[2895] Did you ask David Farrier?

[2896] Yeah.

[2897] And what do you say?

[2898] This is not...

[2899] He said he doesn't get it.

[2900] Okay.

[2901] And also, in this episode, you said poached egg, but you meant soft -boiled.

[2902] No, I mean poached.

[2903] That's where it's like, yeah, I mean poached.

[2904] Okay, well, those are two different things.

[2905] And you used to say soft -boiled egg on everything.

[2906] Okay.

[2907] And then...

[2908] I'm going to look up a picture of poached egg.

[2909] poached egg it's like a soft boiled with it runny ale no i mean a poached egg it's a style of that's what i think is on every sale okay that's a poached egg yeah that's what i think is on there okay so you used to say soft boiled egg oh okay and i that's not what i meant i mean a poached egg okay that's different so maybe there is poached eggs they're so good look at the pictures of those i used to make i was in a spell where i would make them all the time.

[2910] I love them.

[2911] Softboiled is you put them in those cups.

[2912] They're in a cup and you like crack the top.

[2913] You take off the top.

[2914] It's, it's, it's.

[2915] Oh, it stays in the shell?

[2916] It stays in the shell.

[2917] Oh, no, no. It's so runny.

[2918] Dip like bread pieces in it.

[2919] And I mean, I also love a soft boiled egg.

[2920] I had one at French Laundry and they saw the top off so amazingly clean.

[2921] And then we had a mother of pearl spoon.

[2922] He comes with it.

[2923] You said this one mother of Pearl Spoon.

[2924] It was amazing.

[2925] So good.

[2926] Okay, so you're talking poached, which now I got to go back to David because that could, that could be a thing.

[2927] Well, I don't even know how you'd put, what you just described.

[2928] I don't know how you'd put that on a salad.

[2929] Well, that's why it never made sense to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2930] Poached.

[2931] Okay, we talked about Romania.

[2932] I just wanted to shout out Romania because I used to want to go there, you know.

[2933] Used to.

[2934] I want to go there more than now.

[2935] than ever.

[2936] Really?

[2937] Mm -hmm.

[2938] There's a whole area around the G &C.

[2939] Mm -hmm.

[2940] That's supposed to be like the place, it's so Europe, but no one really goes.

[2941] Oh, cool.

[2942] Yeah, there's supposed to be a lot of great ports and stuff along there that I want to check out.

[2943] Well, when I was obsessed with the 1996 Olympics, gymnastics, the Romanians were so good.

[2944] They were my second favorite team, and I was obsessed with them.

[2945] And then I asked my mom if we could go to Romania on a trip.

[2946] I really sincerely What year?

[2947] I would have been Oh this would have been post -communism Okay Oh yeah I would have been 96 or seven That would be great if you're asking her to take you to Behind the Iron Curtain I know And my mom was like we are not going Like it was such a shut down That's a third world country And we're not going there Okay She's like you obviously Don't care enough about gymnastics And then you forced her to Yeah.

[2948] Yeah, good job.

[2949] I mean, we went.

[2950] That's really it.

[2951] I have a couple more bullet points, but.

[2952] I loved Jenna.

[2953] I love her.

[2954] I'm so excited to watch her career unfold.

[2955] It's so exciting, even though we feel bad everyone's excited and they're putting pressure on her.

[2956] I don't want to be one of those people, as we discussed.

[2957] Right.

[2958] But I will say that experience was the first huge shock to my age.

[2959] where I was like, wow, she and I have almost no common references.

[2960] Yeah.

[2961] We don't know any of the same actors.

[2962] We don't know any of the same musicians.

[2963] I had that real like, oh, wow.

[2964] Okay, this generation, that's fully adult.

[2965] I'm watching their work.

[2966] Yeah.

[2967] There's a big gulf between me now and also still adults.

[2968] Right.

[2969] Yeah.

[2970] It's weird, though, because it's hard to know if that's her.

[2971] Right.

[2972] Right.

[2973] Her favorite movie one of was Man on Fire.

[2974] So, like, she does have old references.

[2975] It's just she didn't know.

[2976] I mean, when we brought up Ben and Matt, she said, oh, those Boston guys.

[2977] So, like, you know, that was hard.

[2978] Yeah, how did you feel about that?

[2979] That was rough.

[2980] Yeah.

[2981] I also felt fine, though, because I get that.

[2982] Like, I don't know.

[2983] I wouldn't take it personally.

[2984] Well, I didn't take it personally.

[2985] It was just an observation, which is.

[2986] inevitable.

[2987] I know.

[2988] You know, when I talk to 80 -year -old people, they don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[2989] I don't know what they're talking about.

[2990] And that's just, that's hard knocks.

[2991] That's life.

[2992] It is.

[2993] I think in my, you know, late 30s, I still felt like I could very much talk to a 20 -year -old and have like enough to chat about on an airplane.

[2994] Yeah.

[2995] And I'm just starting to think like, whoa, okay, maybe now we have 48.

[2996] Uh -huh.

[2997] Maybe not.

[2998] Oh, maybe, yeah, maybe this chasm exists now at my age.

[2999] Yeah.

[3000] I don't really know what to do about it because, you know, what's interesting.

[3001] So I had this great opportunity right after that.

[3002] So that was like stark, that experience.

[3003] Ben was over, my nephew Ben.

[3004] Yes.

[3005] I had this great opportunity.

[3006] And I did ask.

[3007] I was like, so then what are you into?

[3008] He loves outer banks.

[3009] And that's cool.

[3010] I get into that.

[3011] I could be like, oh, I could check that out.

[3012] I bet it's great.

[3013] And I would know what younger kids.

[3014] But then he was like, you know who Mr. Flunky is?

[3015] You know who Plunker didn't is?

[3016] You know who Sam Sam is?

[3017] Like all these YouTube people.

[3018] Oh.

[3019] They were all YouTube people.

[3020] And I didn't know any of them.

[3021] And I also was like, I'm not going to find out either.

[3022] That's right.

[3023] So there also is this a willingness.

[3024] And there's going to, and I don't have the willingness to stay.

[3025] There's going to be certain areas.

[3026] We don't need to do that.

[3027] Well.

[3028] Why do you think so?

[3029] I do for a couple reasons.

[3030] Oh.

[3031] An obligation both professionally.

[3032] And then I don't want to be old.

[3033] Like, I aspire to be someone who makes an effort to stay young.

[3034] Yeah.

[3035] Whatever new technology comes out.

[3036] I don't want to become illiterate in technology like some old people do.

[3037] Yeah.

[3038] I don't want to become illiterate in, like, pop culture and illiterate in what shows are being made.

[3039] Like, my mother's great about this.

[3040] She's like, she's watching the same shows I am.

[3041] Yeah.

[3042] And you got to make an effort to do that.

[3043] Yeah, that is really true.

[3044] That's a good point.

[3045] want to like when you're younger and if you have the inclination and desire you could always connect with older people i always was able to yeah but as you get older unless that young person's making a real effort to connect with you you have to have some kind of offering to connect with them and i think most people just choose not to make the effort because it's not what they want to do i don't want to watch a lot of stuff but but i do have a commitment to stay semi connected to to everyone that's a voting age.

[3046] Yeah.

[3047] In this country.

[3048] I think that's evolved.

[3049] That's evolved thinking.

[3050] I think it's good to be connected to the youth.

[3051] Uh -huh.

[3052] Like, know what they're thinking.

[3053] Yeah, I wonder what they're listening to and what they're watching.

[3054] I don't know why I just don't think so.

[3055] Care.

[3056] Like, I don't need to watch YouTubers.

[3057] Right, right.

[3058] But then I watch Mark Rober and he's incredible.

[3059] But Mark's my age.

[3060] yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's different it's not like these like young right you have kids you're gonna have you're gonna have like an outlet well i certainly have a foot in the eight nine year old space big big time but you do i do got to ask myself like i'm super into lizzo but i don't know how much i'd be in elizzo without these two little girls because they're super and elizzo so it's played at the house and then then i realize the music's great but otherwise i'm stuck in my my auto suggests on spotify I'm listening an Anderson -Pack radio.

[3061] I'm listening a Hole and Oates radio.

[3062] Yeah.

[3063] You know, being forced to hear it, I recognize it's fucking great.

[3064] Lizzo's amazing.

[3065] But, you know, I just don't know if I'm on my own to go discover this stuff, if I'm going to.

[3066] Yeah.

[3067] Yeah.

[3068] Oh.

[3069] There's a new character going on.

[3070] Oh.

[3071] I thought it was Frito.

[3072] Sleepy freedom.

[3073] I don't know what freedom is.

[3074] Oh, how old are you?

[3075] How'd I get in here?

[3076] Do you know where there, X is?

[3077] I can help you at.

[3078] Will you need assistance?

[3079] Who's this on the radio?

[3080] This, Monica.

[3081] My name's Monica.

[3082] Oh, Plain.

[3083] Plain.

[3084] Monica, what's that?

[3085] Lizzo.

[3086] Thanks, Rob.

[3087] Oh, oh.

[3088] I thought, I get confused.

[3089] Sometimes with your characters, I get confused.

[3090] Are you talking to me?

[3091] Yeah, I don't.

[3092] I know.

[3093] I'm sorry.

[3094] I look, I'm trying to figure out sometimes as well.

[3095] I'm with you.

[3096] All right.

[3097] That was a miss, but look, the robot was discovered here.

[3098] So sometimes there are hits.

[3099] Of course.

[3100] Like, you can't.

[3101] I'm not, I don't want you to stop.

[3102] You're not even asking me to.

[3103] No, I want you to try it all out.

[3104] This is a safe place.

[3105] All right.

[3106] Well, that's all for Jenna.

[3107] It was really exciting to have her on.

[3108] And we've been, we've been so obsessed with Wednesday.

[3109] I dug her honesty.

[3110] I think that's a new part of youth culture, which is really rad.

[3111] Except I've listened to a few other young people on some other podcasts.

[3112] And I do think sometimes they, and maybe it could just be their personality, but they seem like they have to act as if they have it figured out because they're on the radio.

[3113] They're on a podcast or on a thing and they need sound bites and they need to sound smart.

[3114] And she didn't do that.

[3115] and I really liked it.

[3116] Yeah, it was very refreshing.

[3117] Yes.

[3118] She needed to shit her pants.

[3119] Well, that, I mean, if we really have to isolate a moment where I was like, oh, I love this person.

[3120] It was her talking about shitting her pants.

[3121] That feels new.

[3122] When I was growing up and young actresses were on TV or on the radio, they didn't talk about shitting their pants.

[3123] I can promise you that.

[3124] Yeah, and I'll be honest.

[3125] I got a little nervous that after the fact they were going to ask for us to cut that part and they didn't.

[3126] And I'm really glad because we all do it.

[3127] Yeah.

[3128] Especially when we're sick.

[3129] Like Natalie Borman, who I kept comparing her to.

[3130] I saw every interview she ever did because I was obsessed with her.

[3131] She never once talked about shitting her pants.

[3132] I've never heard her talk about it.

[3133] I would have exploded.

[3134] I'm glad she didn't.

[3135] It would have been too much.

[3136] I'm like, oh, fuck, this girl's down.

[3137] Damn, this girl's down.

[3138] What do you mean down?

[3139] She's down.

[3140] She's down to her pants.

[3141] Oh, down to her.

[3142] Down means down to her.

[3143] I don't think, okay, okay.

[3144] Yeah, she's down.

[3145] I don't think you're down to shit your pants.

[3146] I think it happens.

[3147] I don't think you're making a choice like, you know what?

[3148] I'm down.

[3149] No, but just she's down.

[3150] She's down.

[3151] It's an overall.

[3152] Oh, my God.

[3153] Is that a young thing or an old thing?

[3154] That's an old person thing, I think.

[3155] Oh, my God.

[3156] All right.

[3157] Yeah.

[3158] All right.

[3159] Love you.

[3160] Love you.

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