JRE MMA Show #10 with Tyron Woodley

[0] do do do and we're live we're live with the chance we're live we're live with the chance what's up man how are you're chilling man how you don't brother you look better than anybody i've ever seen just a couple weeks out of shoulder surgery i'm a savage man you're walking around like there's nothing going on they took my savage stem cells out of my own damn back and they threw them in my shoulder out of your back the hip bone marrow they got in there centrifuge spun them shot them into my shoulder and shit i should have a sling on but i'm out tuesday anyway so i kind of prematurely decided to come out of the sling.

[1] Oh, so you're supposed to be out of the sling in six days?

[2] Yeah.

[3] No, no, no. Is that six days?

[4] Five days?

[5] Five days?

[6] Yeah, five days.

[7] Yeah, five days.

[8] Yeah.

[9] Four or five days, yeah.

[10] Wow.

[11] So my guy's really aggressive.

[12] I went to Dr. Andrews.

[13] He's out there in Pensacola, and he said, no, we need you back punching in two months.

[14] So the day after surgery, yeah.

[15] He had the surgery, he said making contact.

[16] So two months, I mean, right after surgery, I was doing two of days, fucking full -ass rehab.

[17] Really?

[18] Yeah.

[19] Yeah, like crazy.

[20] So I'm like, these dudes is nuts.

[21] This shoulder, I had this done in 08, I didn't move for like three weeks.

[22] What did you have done with that one?

[23] Same thing, labor room.

[24] Now, are you hurting this in training?

[25] Are you hurting it in fights?

[26] Well, people don't know about me to think I just throw my right hand a lot.

[27] But I wasn't never really confident with my left hand because I had that left lab room tear.

[28] So it felt weird to throw hooks and it felt weird to use my jab a lot.

[29] My shoulder would fatigue a lot.

[30] So I didn't tell a lot of people that.

[31] So I just started bombing like hell with my right hand.

[32] It wasn't because I was just starting right hand heavy.

[33] So now that I had the surgery on this one, I'm going to stem cell both shelters, rehab the crap out of it, and also bought this on the rehab machine called the Art Wave.

[34] You ever heard of it?

[35] Like a Russian stem is like nuts.

[36] No, what is it?

[37] It's like a Russian stem machine that has the ability to make your muscles contract 500 times a second at its highest setting.

[38] So a lot of people use it.

[39] the Colts use it, a lot of pro athletes use it.

[40] The people that made it in Minnesota, they don't give a lot of information because they don't want their intellectual property stolen, but they charge you like 12 to 14 grand for the machine, then they charge you $5 ,000 and show you how to use it.

[41] Then if you really, really want to know how to use it, they charge you as another $500, $5 ,000.

[42] So I was lucky enough, I hope they ain't watching this yet.

[43] I was lucky enough to get one for my homie, Mark Clayton, they used to play with the Rams.

[44] I just bought his from them.

[45] And so what is it called again?

[46] It's called an art wave.

[47] Art wave?

[48] ARP.

[49] A -R -P.

[50] A -R -P wave.

[51] I think that sounds for advanced recovery program, yeah.

[52] Wow.

[53] Advanced recovery program.

[54] So basically if you think about scar tissue, soft tissue, it has ability.

[55] It's not like that stem that feels like the needle poking, but it's like intense stem that goes through.

[56] It can break that fucking scar tissue up.

[57] Go through soft tissue and basically increase blood flow, range of motion.

[58] So spraying ankles, you know, in one session, that should be healed.

[59] Really?

[60] Yeah.

[61] I've used it hundreds and hundreds of times.

[62] I just didn't have the money.

[63] to Biden to recently.

[64] Wow.

[65] I've been using it since college.

[66] And so now you put this on your shoulder and what?

[67] Well, you put it on your shoulder and they have like this posture, so you hold this posture to this position, right?

[68] And then they also do a balance test first because if your back is fucked up, your knee and your balance is off, then neurologically it's not going to actually send the current to the right spot.

[69] So maybe it's your lower back and your shoes are fucked up, so now your shoes are messed up so make your lower back hurt.

[70] You know how to balance test.

[71] So they do that first, adjust you, make sure you all balance out.

[72] Then they find what they call a hotspot.

[73] So they put it at a neutral site, the black pad, which is like your lower back or something, then wherever you're feeling the pain, if I'm feeling it right here, the pain might not be coming from there.

[74] So they search around and who, this shit jump out.

[75] So now this becomes a hot spot.

[76] So now that I take the other pad off and find a spot that when they go through connect, you feel like you're about to die.

[77] Then they wrap you up, and then they do seven minutes on reverse, seven minutes on positive and then it's painful and shit but like I've done training camps, had some severe injuries and nobody would ever ever know.

[78] Really?

[79] Yeah, it's crazy.

[80] So like you're saying that like if you have something that's bothering you a lot of times there's something that's wrong somewhere else that's causing that to be bothering you.

[81] Yeah.

[82] And this somehow another finds that?

[83] No, you balance, you do a balance test first.

[84] So say like a chiropractor comes in and he says all your hips off, your legs longer, he adjusts you.

[85] You have to be adjusted and balanced first.

[86] Then they put the pads on there and they locate what they call the hot spot.

[87] So save my shoulder, right?

[88] For some reason, I broke my wrist a long time ago.

[89] So I can't do like that.

[90] You can't push down on things?

[91] So you see how I can't get my hand to bend?

[92] Oh.

[93] So if you get down the push -up time, I'm going like this.

[94] Because my wrist just a bend.

[95] With knuckles.

[96] Right.

[97] So when I'm throwing a punch, especially if I'm throwing just a crazy -ass punch, you can imagine that if I don't distribute the force properly that shit's my form's going to be sore, probably was caused my shoulder pain, also being in the extended position in wrestling, extending stretched out over time and time, it caused a shock.

[98] Now, just that one punch I hit Damien Mayer with, maybe that wasn't a punch.

[99] There might have been the last damn straw to broke the camera back.

[100] But I think wearing terror from all those different years, just beat my shoulder up.

[101] So you, oh, so what's this guy doing here?

[102] Four and after.

[103] Best kind of version, I think I could find of a good video.

[104] Yeah, range of motion -wise Guys, it's actually deceiving because sometimes you'll fucking get zapped on this deal and you couldn't bring your arm up at all and then all of a sudden now you're like, oh shit, I'm healed but you're not really healed.

[105] You've got to continue to do the protocol, continue to do the treatment, and work on that range of motion.

[106] If you do it one time, you feel great, go out there and start shooting threes, your shit will be fucked up.

[107] Hmm.

[108] Yeah, so.

[109] So in the Damien Maya fight, you hurt your shoulder with one of the first punches you threw, right?

[110] Oh, my gosh.

[111] I knew it happened because, Because I knew it's what they call subplex or dislocated, whatever.

[112] So I saw an opening, had already lumped his eye up.

[113] I'm like, oh, I'm trying to fuck that side of his face up.

[114] So I saw his left eyeball already almost closed.

[115] So I said, I finished trying to go hammer him.

[116] Bough, I threw the punch, and I fell my shoulder, go down.

[117] And I'm like, oh, shit.

[118] So then I was like, I can't lose a fight.

[119] I can't let you take my belt.

[120] So at this point, I said, I'm going to throw straight punches.

[121] And reaction, and I see my power punch, I'm going to throw it.

[122] So a couple of times, I forgot, and I threw it and kind of went out again.

[123] And he took some shots, and I lift him up, and it kind of went out again.

[124] So three or four times in a fight, I can feel like just go, like a whole, like, five or six light bulbs just crushing me your shoulder.

[125] You kind of feeling going, but I had that pain before, and I mean, it sounds stupid.

[126] I'm blessed that I tore this one because I know what it felt like.

[127] Right.

[128] And I know that the only pain that I'm going to feel is when I extend, when I try to go that direction, or any overhand right, that shit was going to be a rap.

[129] So when I stayed here, I just threw straight punches.

[130] And there was a couple times I blitzed it forward, and I wanted to punch, and I didn't punch because I didn't feel confident with my hand.

[131] Hmm.

[132] So you kind of, you knew something was wrong, but just didn't know exactly what it was.

[133] I knew, I knew it's subplexed, so I knew it dislocated for sure.

[134] Whether the ligament was torn or not, I was praying that it wasn't.

[135] Because you can actually do that, slip it out without it tearing.

[136] But most times when you do that, it's a result of these muscles fatiguing, you punching too hard, making contact.

[137] with your target and then your whole muscle just go you just kind of feel like the best way I can explain it everything just kind of fell down so you tried to rehab it for a while right you tried to what did you try to do man I did I did the ARP treatment I did regular physical therapy I mean you got an MRI MRI I got two MRIs I had one doctor tell me that you know I didn't have to do it I could one doctor can care less and finally I went to dr. Andrews and he was like you know what how long do you plan on fighting for you know and I hate when people ass miss because i'm like until i get tired of fighting and he's like well if you think you're going be done fighting then don't get it done but if you want to have a career and you want to be able to comfortably punch he said i watch a video he said you make your money with your right hand he said if you want to go out there and punch and be confident let me go in there let me clean it out let me anchor it down we'll shoot some stem cells some PRP in there on the way out of the surgery we'll be aggressive we'll make sure you get that range of motion and you'll be back in there punching so I decided that my ass fought four times four World Titan fights in the year if anybody deserved to touch up something they hurt in the fight is me so I decided to go with it I was so close man even all way until the day of surgery I was like man I don't want to fucking do this I don't want to do this I just don't want to be down now were you still training we still throwing punches yeah I was training and what did it feel like when you throwing punches um I mean that's the reason why I got it I mean uppercuts straight punches as long as I, if I throw a straight punching, I didn't turn my body over, and I was just arm punching it, she would hurt.

[138] If I threw an uppercut, it didn't hurt.

[139] I was shadowboxing, hitting pads, hitting the back.

[140] If I threw an overhand right, it was not feeling, it was not going to happen.

[141] The shoulders are such a weird joint, you know, there's so much motion.

[142] Even now, like, you're doing the rehab now, like part of my protocols with dumbbells, I can light shadow box.

[143] But if I come out here, I mean, you can just see the way my body's starting to get alarmed.

[144] I don't feel comfortable yet.

[145] But you're only how many days out of surgery?

[146] Two weeks.

[147] Two weeks is nothing.

[148] Nothing, yeah.

[149] It's amazing that you can move it that much.

[150] I'll be back training in a couple months.

[151] Wow.

[152] Yeah.

[153] Well, with this ARP machine and then with stem cells and PRP, it's like the world's a different place now for injury rehab.

[154] I had this shit in 2008.

[155] So I tell you, and I rehab myself, I took a rehab book.

[156] I had all these protocols from these sports medicine people that gave me, and I put my own shit together, and I made my own workout.

[157] And I did it religiously twice a day, but it's not the same as somebody stretching you every single degrees, every direction, every plane, watching your growth and actually being a specialist.

[158] I was just doing shit because I didn't want my shoulder messed up, and I had just started fighting.

[159] Like, when I first started, I was a wrestling coach for Tiago Alves, Eve Edwards, Dean Thomas.

[160] I wasn't really a fighter fighter.

[161] I had a couple of amateur fights, but I didn't know if I wanted to do this shit or not.

[162] Then I had to have a shoulder surgeon.

[163] I'm like, damn, man. I don't know how the hell I'm going to pay for this So a guy named Weight Room Who's an American Top Team guy I didn't know what the fucking American Top Team was He brought the satellite school The University of Missouri where I was coaching at He came in the gym And he wanted to pay for our weight room A wrestling team And I'm like well shit Let me go in there and train in his gym And I wasn't training his gym And I worked for him full time So I can get insurance So I can get the shoulder surgery And shit after that I said let me get this fighting thing in Char I know I wasn't even I was I was just doing just to see what it was like.

[164] But, shit.

[165] That's crazy.

[166] That's crazy when you think about how successful you've been at it.

[167] And I had a lot of chances to quit, too.

[168] Broke in debt, 50 grand in debt.

[169] I'm like, I told my coach, I said, I can't do this shit anymore.

[170] I said, I'm a full -time coach.

[171] I'm going negative day 15 out of 30 days.

[172] Man, I can't even afford it.

[173] That's when gas.

[174] Remember if gas first hit, I was getting 99 -cent gas and all of a sudden went to three bucks at the brookest point of my life.

[175] I was like hell with that So I did that and he said You know what?

[176] You got a future in this man He said take out a student loan I was in graduate school He said take out a student loan So I took out a student loan in graduate school To fund my MMA training Wow And I didn't even finish graduate school Wow that's crazy Yeah It's crazy that it all worked out the way it did now I'm a world champ shit Hey it worked out See I would I would complain about If Dana tried to pay me $50 ,000 less known, being $50 grand in debt, you know.

[177] It's like tables have turned quite a bit.

[178] Yeah, it's fascinating, isn't it?

[179] When you look back, if you look back 10 years ago?

[180] 10 years ago.

[181] I can't believe I've been fighting for, what is it, 12, 13 years now?

[182] 2005 was my first fight.

[183] Wow.

[184] Yeah.

[185] Nuts.

[186] Now you're world champ.

[187] So with this rehabilitation, they said they'd like you to throw punches inside of two months.

[188] Yeah.

[189] And then when would you be able to, like, fully resume training?

[190] They think three months.

[191] They think three months.

[192] I mean, granted, with this surgery, you can hear someone say four months, you can hear six months.

[193] Some people take a full year.

[194] It depends on who the surgeon is, how aggressively they push you forward, and it depends on why you need to get back.

[195] I got a belt to defend.

[196] I got money to make, and I got people asked to be.

[197] So I got to get back.

[198] So with that said, I'm going, I call the UFC.

[199] I'm like, this is bullshit.

[200] I'm your world champion.

[201] I need, what am I going to do it three days a week?

[202] I'm not a senior citizen.

[203] I need physical therapy approved for five days a week.

[204] I need this game -ready ice machine.

[205] I need to do PRP in six weeks.

[206] They should want me to get back.

[207] And, you know, they listen to me and say, you know what?

[208] He's right.

[209] You know, give him whatever he want, give him so he can get back and get in and fighting because I was fighting extremely often for them.

[210] Now, are you living in St. Louis?

[211] Yeah, I got a house in St. Louis.

[212] I'm out here every week, though.

[213] I'm doing Fox, TMZ.

[214] I didn't know you were doing that many different TV things.

[215] So what are you doing on Fox?

[216] I'm doing UFC tonight.

[217] D .C. is out in training camp, so anytime D .C. Bidsming or whatever, I'm usually the guy that fills in a world, you'll see tonight.

[218] And you have to come out here to do that every week?

[219] Wow.

[220] If they don't watch them, say, hey, Bizmi, you and D .C. don't watch yourself.

[221] I'm going to snag your damn job.

[222] I'm going to be a permanent out here because I had a good show yesterday when I want to watch out.

[223] Do you like doing it?

[224] I love doing it.

[225] I love getting out of the box.

[226] That's why, you know, I know we're probably going to get into it later.

[227] that's why I did stand -up comedy the other day I did stand -up comedy I heard about that Adam Hunter had you up at the dime bar I went to the dime bar because I feel like acting is what I'm going to do after I get on fighting and if you can be okay with being embarrassed not being uncomfortable and really not giving the fuck then you can become a great actor if you have the gift and you're willing to put in the work so I've always put into work I'm not worried about that but if I got to cry I got to be a college douchebag I got to be something that I'm not used to being I can be a tough guy a day.

[228] I can be a secret agent.

[229] You know, I mean, you don't film.

[230] You know, we can watch a film and mimic it.

[231] You know, I used to mimic Friday.

[232] You cannot tell me I wasn't smoky.

[233] I would sound just like Chris Tucker, like I was really in a fucking movie.

[234] But he didn't have anybody to look at.

[235] He had a fucking script, and he had to bring that to life.

[236] And, you know, we were really critical on actors, and I just don't want to be the weakest link ever on the film.

[237] So that's what you want to do when you're done with all this.

[238] For sure, for sure.

[239] Has that always been an aspiration?

[240] Is it something you saw as like a way to do it after it's over.

[241] I mean, I got a lot of stuff, you know, I don't really even like fighting, to be honest.

[242] Yeah, I'm just good at it.

[243] What don't you like about it?

[244] I don't like the politics behind it.

[245] I don't like the martial art aspect that's been taken away from it.

[246] I don't like the disrespect to the sport.

[247] Guys that are not really training hard, they don't look the part.

[248] I think professional athletes should look a certain way.

[249] I really just don't like the youth, this generation of fighters that watch and move on TV, on YouTube and they go and they try to do it they don't want to drill repetitiously they don't want to actually put in the work but why does that affect you though it affects me because our sport is also the fans and the fans actually coach who gets to fight and if a guy's gonna talk enough shit and start wearing fly suits then this day and age that's good enough for a title shot and I think it's disrespectful to everybody that came before that remember that you had to go 10 and oh then you get the fucking call from the UFC if Connor won Artem Loboff one in the UFC at a 500 record, he's going to be in the UFC.

[250] And I just, it's ways that the sport is taking a love out of it.

[251] But I just find a way in dominating my opponents, taking all their twos away from them.

[252] You know, Dean, Thomas, shout out to them, and Duke Rufis are fucking masterminds.

[253] So I take pride in that, take pride in going in there, not getting hit, dominate, knocking people out, whatever.

[254] But when you say you don't like fighting, you like all those things.

[255] You don't like what other people are doing.

[256] I love training.

[257] I don't like what the sport has become.

[258] So this is an interesting thing to talk about because a lot of people have different points of view on that.

[259] And one hand, a lot of people like the traditional martial arts approach of respect for your opponent and just fighting to the best of your abilities and letting the chips fall where they may. Whereas other people say, well, listen, to get people to show up, to get asses and seats, to get pay -per -view buys, there's got to be some drama and some entertainment value to it.

[260] And that's where someone like Connor comes into play.

[261] Conner's the only one that's done it, though.

[262] Yeah, well, Rhonda a little bit.

[263] Rhonda did it a little bit.

[264] Connor's done it the best, but he actually puts in the work.

[265] Right.

[266] Chale Sunning before him.

[267] Chale Sondon did, but he didn't, his mouth, his mouth was louder.

[268] He's actually probably the best at it.

[269] He's probably, he's better than Connor at it.

[270] Connor's very close, but Connor actually delivers on more than more of what he said he's going to do than Chelle did.

[271] I would agree.

[272] So if you've got to think of anybody who's brought both worlds together best, I would have to say Connor.

[273] He knocks a lot of guys out, try to call the round.

[274] He's only lost a few fights total.

[275] And even those fights, it was risk -matched reward.

[276] Fighting the guy, switched opponent, disnotice, different weight clies.

[277] You know, he's taking those risk and rewards that if you lose, it's not really that big of a deal.

[278] No, nobody's going to really, oh, my God, drop him down to the bottom of the pack.

[279] But these other guys that haven't done it don't have the skills.

[280] Ain't put into work.

[281] I mean, they can kind of really just.

[282] Well, you see the trend, right?

[283] There is a trend right now.

[284] Be good at it at least, though.

[285] Incredibly disrespectful, very rude.

[286] And, you know, you saw what happened with Kobe Coventon and, you know, at him at Bummering.

[287] You know what I mean?

[288] Now he pressing charges.

[289] I mean, there's a queef.

[290] Well, there's...

[291] Coward queffington.

[292] There's a lot of attention being placed on him, though.

[293] I mean, you...

[294] Let me see.

[295] It's slightly effective.

[296] Let me see how much attention is being placed on him.

[297] But it is effective in the moment, right?

[298] I mean, don't want to go look at his stuff.

[299] It's effective in a moment.

[300] I'm going to tell you why, because sometimes our sports is like, you know, there's nothing going on.

[301] It's like, fuck, well, this kid's talking shit.

[302] Let me listen to him.

[303] Right.

[304] And right there, at that point, Connor wasn't around, Rhonda wasn't around, John wasn't around, who is UFC really projected as a star?

[305] Right.

[306] Sage Northcut had a few bumps.

[307] Page Vanzan had a few bumps.

[308] They're trying to push up in Gano.

[309] But what star did they have?

[310] Right.

[311] So now if you got this person that's willing to go crazy, even though we know it's WWE and a person's really not getting slammed, we want to live in that moment anyway.

[312] We want to go for the villain.

[313] But who has he really beat beyond Damien Maya?

[314] What was the other top 15 victory?

[315] Well, the Damien Maya was a big one, but that was the one.

[316] But he was unmotivated, and he was a guy that already had his title shots, and, you know, he's getting up during the age.

[317] What is really his motivation?

[318] I wrote the book on how to beat Damien Maia, and he didn't even read the book.

[319] He just skimmed through it because no part of the book said, let the jiu -gizu guy to fuck you up and blood to your face.

[320] Kobe Cooperation did that by himself.

[321] I didn't do that.

[322] you know even with my right arm being messed up so um yeah he's just i'm just looking like how many even followers do you have that you know like he didn't have a big following before that that was his biggest fight that was the big the big coming out party i don't want to discredit him damiam i zi you know i don't want to discredit colby but you know for you for for for me have some people on your resume have some you know i didn't be derrick me on terrysafinine paul daly Jordan me and this before I even got in the UFC My first fight was Jay Haran Who had only been stopped by Georgia Saint -Pierre Lost one fight to Ben Ashton that was close And had one every fight after that So I never had an easy fight All my guys was either former champions Or former contenders or former You know people that were interim champions And when you got a list like that You still don't get the respect Cost check Condit You know what you might say you don't get the respect From who?

[323] From him?

[324] From Colby?

[325] I don't know my God I can care of that's why.

[326] But what are you saying you don't get the respect?

[327] You definitely get respect.

[328] Watch this.

[329] When you think of Robbie Lawler.

[330] Okay.

[331] Carlos Condon, right?

[332] Right.

[333] They're in a different category.

[334] Now, is it word to you that I'm the champion and I beat both of those guys?

[335] Wait a minute.

[336] What do you mean by a different category?

[337] I see them in a category.

[338] Then this might just be me. I see them as in the category is if you're talking about guys are going to enter the Hall of Fame, right?

[339] And you think about all, Josh Koch checking, um, Carlos Conner.

[340] and Robbie Lawler and, you know, this guy, and Anderson Silva, all those different guys.

[341] But it's funny that I've defeated these guys.

[342] Wait a minute.

[343] You're crazy.

[344] You're talking crazy.

[345] I don't think so.

[346] Yeah, no, you're definitely talking crazy.

[347] You're the champ.

[348] You're the current champ.

[349] You're acting like people don't respect you as the champ.

[350] They respect.

[351] They respect to people I've defeated more.

[352] And you think that Carlos Condit gets more respect or Robbie Lalla gets more.

[353] That's crazy.

[354] Carlos Conant gets more respect to me. Robi Lala gets more respect to me. But from who, though?

[355] For sure.

[356] Even guys that I defeated like, you know, Stephen Thompson.

[357] Stephen Thompson don't get more respect to me. I'm not going to say that.

[358] But people are willing to be like, oh, my God.

[359] You know, tell them, Dana said, tell them to get in the cage with Tyrone Woodley.

[360] He didn't say, hey, Tyrant.

[361] Tell them to get in cage with Stephen Thompson on the seven -fight win streak, knocking everybody to fuck out with a really super weird style that took me months and a fortune bringing all these fucking crazy taekwondo, Raymond Daniels, all these, the best of the best.

[362] to train to beat him.

[363] Like, nobody gave me that pass.

[364] Like, if you see him more.

[365] I don't know why you concentrate on that.

[366] I don't.

[367] That seems, but you are because you're talking about it.

[368] I'm not concentrating on it because my path is pretty easy.

[369] You need to call me when you have these nutty thoughts.

[370] I'm telling you, I'm going to talk you through this shit.

[371] You're the fucking champ.

[372] I'm telling me. This is all nonsense.

[373] This is wasted energy.

[374] When you think about, and it doesn't matter to me because my path is pretty clear what I want to do.

[375] I want to be the best.

[376] I want to be the best wealth way.

[377] Raining.

[378] Reigning, defending, undisputed UFC Walthway.

[379] We were in 2007 when that was the shit.

[380] But it is the shit.

[381] It's just in the middle of it.

[382] Why is Connor and Nate fighting super fights that are bigger than a world title fight?

[383] Because people don't know you as much.

[384] They don't know you as much yet.

[385] And whatever, look, Connor is a weird enigma.

[386] And whatever reason why that got caught fire the way he did, it's a weird combination of personality, results, skill.

[387] There's a lot of, and Ireland.

[388] Ireland's a big factor.

[389] I mean, if Connor was from Nebraska, I guarantee.

[390] Well, Ireland is a big fight country, too.

[391] It's not just a big fight country.

[392] The loyalty and the love that those people have for the people that fight from Ireland, there's nothing like that.

[393] It's a weird anomaly.

[394] So he's just this weird aberration, and he gives people almost like false hope of what's possible.

[395] Because I don't know if it's possible with a lot of people.

[396] It's lightning in a bottle, for whatever reason, it worked with him.

[397] But he started it himself and then what happened.

[398] Here come to Jumper cables.

[399] Boom, boom.

[400] You'll see you put the machine behind them, right?

[401] They definitely put the machine behind them.

[402] It makes sense to.

[403] But without the machine behind them, there was giant hordes of people flying in from Ireland.

[404] I remember one of some of his earlier fights, I was like, and I was commenting on it, and I was saying, this is a guy who was on the undercard, and they're acting like this is the main event of a pay -per -view.

[405] They've flown from Ireland.

[406] The audience is filled with thousands of people that flew from Ireland for this guy.

[407] That's what I was fighting, Brimage and now.

[408] Yeah.

[409] Even back then, it was insane.

[410] When he thought...

[411] I didn't know him back then.

[412] You know, it's funny.

[413] Somebody, when I was striking coach, she was like, Connor McGregor's this huge star, and da -da -da -da -da.

[414] I'm like, that's when he at first got in the UFC.

[415] And I'm like, I don't even know who the fuck this kid is.

[416] He was trying to convince me. No, he's a superstar.

[417] He's a da -da -da -da.

[418] And then every time I get a chance, I said, you were right.

[419] He wasn't then, but this motherfucker ended up being a superstar.

[420] And he loves to get their credit because at that moment, I think I was getting ready to fight Dung Young Kim, and he kept talking about this, Connor McGregor.

[421] So I said, let me look at this motherfucker.

[422] Let me look him up because you obviously got a boner for this dude.

[423] And I looked him up.

[424] I'm like, all right, he's good.

[425] I get it.

[426] But let me see him beat a couple of people.

[427] And then if he can beat Dustin Poirier, then I'm going to give him his props.

[428] Knocked up, Dustin Poirier.

[429] I said, all right.

[430] But he's 100 % legit.

[431] He's legit.

[432] But it's what else is going on that's so weird.

[433] He's not just legit.

[434] He's also this unbelievable personality.

[435] People are drawn to him.

[436] that's no one can manufacture that so like he's he's rehearsed it he's practiced that he's looked in the mirror he has natural wit he's he's willing to go risky and say some below the bell shit and he does his research he don't come to a press conference just you know smoking you like the front row of a comedy show he's looking into some deep shit and when you get there you kind of stumble so you're right he has that he also has a fight style he also has so happened to do 80 % of shit he says he's going to do.

[437] So now he's the fucking Messiah.

[438] Right.

[439] But you can't say that the UFC has not gotten behind you or people don't give you the respect that you deserve.

[440] That's why you're not in the same level as him.

[441] I didn't say that, Joe.

[442] But you said that him and Connor or that Conner are fighting these super fights.

[443] I'm saying that he has gotten that.

[444] And I'm saying that he has gotten that and he has lived up to what he said he's going to do.

[445] And on top of that, you got you got to be able to fight and he can fight and he's been able to talk.

[446] So now not only can he generate the paper your buys and get people interested, he's actually going to deliver a knockout against Jose Otto, of stoppage against Eddie Alvarez and a crazy, you know, back -to -back fights with Nate Diaz.

[447] But don't you think that you're in an unusual situation, first of all, because you win the title by spectacular first -round knockout against Robbie Lawler, right?

[448] Unbelievable knockout.

[449] But then you have the most awkward and difficult guy to defend your title against.

[450] I mean, Wonderboy Thompson is a very unusual opponent, and it's hard to look good against.

[451] him.

[452] And out of all the people that fought him, you're the only guy that put him in danger, not once but twice.

[453] And the way you fought him, I've defended the way you fought him many times because I say, look, if you look at tactically, if you look at technique and you look at the art of fighting, that's the way to fight him.

[454] If you're a guy like Tyron Woodley, a powerful puncher who's a great wrestler, who's got real one -punch knockout ability, you're not going to open yourself up to Wonderboy.

[455] You're going to rush him either.

[456] Exactly.

[457] Don't you picked apart you're not going to fight him the way he wants to fight what you did is you laid back a lot and people booed a lot because of that but when you connected you were the one that hurt him in those two fights he was the one that was in big trouble in both of those fights not you it was it was it was not for me i'm never um you know i got the same thing in the maya fight but at the end of the day if someone's attempted to take you down multiple times over 20 times it's very hard to get in any type of exchange Every time you swing, they want to go on anything shot to get down.

[458] Well, the Maya fight was tough too because of your injury.

[459] But you got to go back and look at like Anderson Silva's dark days.

[460] There was a dark days when Anderson Silva fought Damian Maya where nobody wanted to have anything to do with him after that fight.

[461] And Anderson Silva fought when he fought, there was several fights where he had just boring results.

[462] And people weren't interested in him fighting anymore.

[463] One spectacular knockout and everybody's back on board again.

[464] Well, people, one spectacular knockout to get the belt, and then everybody slowly forget about it moments later.

[465] Because at the time, Stephen Thompson said, no, I'd rather to fight Robbie, and I think he's going to win anyway, and da -da -da -da.

[466] And then he'd think I'm supposed to be just so graciously like, oh, let's fight and honor.

[467] And no, you want to fight Robbie, right?

[468] You said Robbie was going to win.

[469] You say you personally prefer to fight Robbie because I've been waiting around, even though that wasn't a case.

[470] So you said this stuff.

[471] So don't think that I'm just going to give you my spotlight.

[472] And I say, hey, you know what?

[473] the L. Let's do this.

[474] No, if I'm seeing the table being set, I know there's Nate Diaz is out there, Nick Diaz is out there, Jorra St. Pierre's, Michael Bisming's, guys that have that name, they have that status that I'm trying to get to.

[475] Those are the guys I want to fight.

[476] I want to knock those guys down because now I can continually inch myself up.

[477] Fighting him, well, he's trying to get the same thing I'm trying to get.

[478] Why the hell am I going to pull you up with me?

[479] If that's the fight they wanted me to fight, one, they never offered me to fight.

[480] He said something.

[481] Then I think the UFC she thought I wasn't take the fights.

[482] The first time they offered me to fight, I accepted it.

[483] So when all these people like, oh, my God, you don't want to fight, trying to pick his fights, he just got the belt.

[484] I'm like, man, so weird.

[485] But you listen to too many people, man. No, I'm talking about.

[486] But there's too many people saying things that you're responding to that are irrelevant.

[487] I think it's the people that are in the organization.

[488] I got to, you know.

[489] You're dealing with people that I don't deal with them in that regard.

[490] But as far as like people that are analysts and experts.

[491] As far as like the social media, like, I really don't read social media.

[492] Good.

[493] I post because I want to post and I leave it alone.

[494] So when I say that, I'm not saying, without saying who it is, I'm not saying that the fans are making me feel some type of way.

[495] Because my path is clear.

[496] I want to be the greatest world to win of all time.

[497] Right.

[498] Whatever it takes, when I get an opportunity, I'm trying to knock you out, okay, at all times.

[499] Stephen Thompson is a different type of fight, as you said before.

[500] Look what happened with Robert Whitaker rushed in.

[501] Look what happened when this guy rushed in.

[502] Those guys, that's what I got a co -oed Whitaker.

[503] They forget all this shit.

[504] And I also realize how tough it is to take him down against the cage.

[505] Remember how fast he pops up.

[506] So why don't I get myself 31 foot that if I want to double -lake him, I got the whole place to stretch across and blast him out.

[507] He don't have one -punched -k -l power.

[508] So even if my back is against the octagon, when I go for a shot, I got the whole entire octagon to take him down, versus pressing him, go for the takedown.

[509] Him and the cage are both defending my shot, and then him trying to, you know, do some razzazzal -dazzle kick.

[510] So I have no issue with the way I fall him or Damien, Maya.

[511] I don't think there's another way to fight him.

[512] Unless you're another elite.

[513] I mean, look what George Mazzvedo did.

[514] He didn't take Maya series.

[515] He didn't train the way.

[516] He didn't bring in the top jiu -jitsu guys.

[517] Like, it's easy to spar and kick box and look good and never have to take a shot.

[518] The way I train, I put myself in positions.

[519] I know I'm never going to be in.

[520] You're never going to take me down.

[521] You never going to have my back.

[522] I'm never going to be mounted.

[523] But I'm training that ship anyway, just in case I slip on a banana pill.

[524] I get clipped with a punch.

[525] So George Mazzvedal.

[526] just from the way I watched him fight, he was surprised.

[527] Even the stuff that Stephen Thompson hit me with never surprised me. I got hit with it.

[528] He landed some good shots.

[529] He's really quick.

[530] I mean, I'm fast and explosive, but he's quick.

[531] Those punches get to you fast.

[532] He's long, and when he starts bouncing, you don't even know what the hell he's going to do.

[533] And it's kind of like, what are you about to do?

[534] What are you about to do?

[535] You can watch his performance until he didn't do the proper work.

[536] Same thing with Damien Maia.

[537] He trained with Kobe, like, try to take me down.

[538] I'm going to stop the shot and just knock you out.

[539] That's not how it works.

[540] You got to bring in guys that know his habit.

[541] card how he hooks an ankle how he sweeps how he switches from one side to other what happens when he grab around your waist if you give him his back this how you can lock up i train with guys that train with him and the guys would are better than damien might on the mat that way when i got out there had he taking me down i would have been prepared to escape get away get back to my feet do you think that having a chip on your shoulder in some way helps you like all these people that doubt you in some way you you have to prove yourself i just know that i'm the best i just know that I'm the best, like, you know, me and Dean was training one day, and I stopped practice, and I just had a brain fart, and I just started thinking about George St. Pierre, and I started thinking about all his skills, and I started thinking about Robbie, and all the top well -to -weights.

[542] And I said, I'm the fucking best in the world.

[543] Nobody's faster to me, nobody's stronger to me, nobody work as hard as I do.

[544] Nobody has all the skills, the striking, the wrestling, the jihitsu, the defense, the timing, the explosion, the toughness.

[545] I've been in wars.

[546] I've been in close fights.

[547] I've been in fights while I knock people out.

[548] I've been in it at all.

[549] So when I decided that I'm the best, I started carrying myself as if I was already the champion.

[550] And that's why I had Champ Camp before I'd even had the belt.

[551] When was this around?

[552] Like which fight?

[553] Right.

[554] Shit, Robbie.

[555] Right before Robbie.

[556] So right before Robbie.

[557] Yeah.

[558] I was supposed to not.

[559] Champ Camp actually was supposed to start with Johnny, but Johnny had some complications.

[560] They didn't make it to the scale.

[561] So they told me I was fighting Robbie.

[562] Yeah, I remember talking to you backstage one day at one of the way -ins and you were frustrated and you were like when the fuck am i getting my title shot yeah well that you know this is the thing we know the game changes and sometimes they want to see fights play out before they make a you know a call they never want to be on the line saying you are definitely getting the title shot right they've done that a couple of times and we've seen what happened right and they pulled out of it so i fought Kelvin gasillum was supposed to be this conditioning freak and he missed weight by 10 pounds and you know for me i don't play that shit don't act like you were so sick no you didn't make weight.

[563] And what happens when you don't make weight, you actually didn't have to go through and suck your body all the way down to scratch weight like I did.

[564] So you should actually look better.

[565] So I don't want to be like, oh, he was sick, and that's why he, no, he had a chance, he just is never going to beat me. I fought him.

[566] He was the one that was huffing and puffing.

[567] He couldn't hit me, he couldn't land.

[568] Any significant punch, I landed.

[569] And after that fight, you know, it was some scrutiny on the fight.

[570] I'm like, okay, you want me to grapple with him so he can try to take my back and do a redneck and chuck like that.

[571] everybody else.

[572] You want me to exchange with him and let him get into the fight.

[573] When I know I'm fast, I know I'm sharper.

[574] He can't hit me. I got better defense.

[575] The whole time he's pushing me against the cage, I hear his coach say, no, no, no, don't go there, don't go there.

[576] He was terrified.

[577] The Kashik thing was going to happen to him.

[578] So he backed up every time he pushed me to the oxygen.

[579] Why wouldn't I play on that?

[580] You know what I mean?

[581] So when people look at that, he was said that he was going to get a title shot.

[582] I don't know if we remember that.

[583] They said if Kelvin Gassel would be tiring, he's going to get a title shot.

[584] I don't remember people saying that.

[585] Yeah.

[586] They were saying that, but they weren't They didn't say that if you beat him.

[587] Dana White said, if Kelvin Gasselin beats tiring, he's getting a title shot.

[588] Remember, he had already been selected for the coach.

[589] He got the coaching job off the loss.

[590] After missing weight by 10 pounds.

[591] And then they told me he would never fight at 185 again if I took the fight.

[592] I mean 170 again, if I took the fight.

[593] So he lost to me, missed weight, still got the tough coaching job.

[594] And on top of that, he was going to get a title shot had he beat me. But why do you, so you, again, it comes to this chip on your shoulder thing.

[595] You feel like everybody's against you.

[596] No. You do a little.

[597] I don't.

[598] I don't know you want me to, though.

[599] No, you do.

[600] This is what you're saying.

[601] It's the things that you're saying.

[602] I'm not saying that.

[603] I'm just saying that I know, I know the deck of cards I got, and I know how to play these deck of cards.

[604] But what do you think the deck of cards is?

[605] The deck of cards is, it's going to come a moment where I'm a superstar.

[606] And when I get to that moment, I have more leverage.

[607] At this time, I'm not at the point what kind of McGregor's at.

[608] So I got to, if I got to fight the number one contender, and I can vouch out, to fight of George St. Pierre or Bisbing or Connor or Nate at this moment, I'm going to keep up an ass until I get to that point.

[609] Well, after George is beaten right now, George is in an amazing position, right?

[610] George beats Bisping.

[611] If he wanted and he dropped the title, but if he wanted to come back and fight you for the welterweight title, that's a legitimate super fight right there.

[612] I mean, that makes a lot of sense.

[613] You think George's going to fight me?

[614] Particularly coming off of his big fight.

[615] You don't think he does?

[616] Look, do you tell me. You think George's want to fight me?

[617] Look at your face.

[618] George had the chance to fight me before Bisming He chose to fight Bisming Well maybe he felt like that was a better fight for him to come back with It was definitely a better fight Because if he would have came back against me looking like that George would have been right back in retirement He did not look great Bisming did not look great One thing that helped George in that fight His experience He loosened up he was a little uptight You know he hadn't been in Octagon What four years almost?

[619] A little over two Yeah you know a little over three right Was it four It was almost four It wasn't quite four.

[620] It's almost four.

[621] Because I fought November, I fought November, UFC, there was a 25th anniversary.

[622] No, I think you're right.

[623] I think it was like four years.

[624] Because I fought a car check on the cart.

[625] Yeah.

[626] Yeah, that's a long -ass time.

[627] So he, for him to not fight that long, I'm not care how much you train.

[628] You know, that's ending in a fight, you don't have a training camp, focus on a person.

[629] It's tough.

[630] So when he came back, I saw the experience kick in.

[631] He relaxed a little bit.

[632] That's when he faked, landed a left hook.

[633] Had he not relaxed, I mean, you know, Who knows what would have happened, you know what I mean?

[634] Right.

[635] Yeah.

[636] It was interesting because Bisping was tight, and I expected him to be looser.

[637] Big, Bisbing doesn't have the, I mean, he's not guys out, but he's not a guy that, you know, you're thinking of like a rumble or Engano or myself or somebody.

[638] A one -shot guy.

[639] Or Stephen, Jeremy Stevens, somebody that's going to touch you and it's over with.

[640] So with that said, he's a person that's going to be volume.

[641] He's going to be in your face, great conditioning.

[642] He's very durable.

[643] and George had to make that adjustment.

[644] He said, all right, I'm going to be an athlete on this guy.

[645] Let me fake him out.

[646] Let me get him thinking about the shot.

[647] I took him down twice.

[648] Let me get him thinking about it.

[649] Level change comes up, left hook.

[650] Very smart move.

[651] And that's something that the experience of being champion, a lot of them to do.

[652] Well, there was some talk about him fighting Connor, but I didn't hear any of that from the official people.

[653] Yeah.

[654] And him fighting Connor at 170 pounds would have been fascinating.

[655] It's in terms of like, it's a terrible matchup for Connor.

[656] Yeah.

[657] You know, in terms of like just physicality.

[658] risking in, risk and reward.

[659] What happens you would lose to the greatest wealth of all time?

[660] Yeah.

[661] People are going to torture him about it.

[662] Yeah, but Connor does want to lose another fight right now.

[663] Like, this is not a good time.

[664] Especially in his division, there's so much talent.

[665] Like, right now at 155 pounds.

[666] You think he want to see Habeb right now?

[667] That's what I'm saying.

[668] That's what I want to say.

[669] Tony?

[670] What about Tony?

[671] I mean, Tony's a, if I was Connor, which I'm not, if I had the pick, the fight, they both are going to be, I mean, And Habib might be a bigger draw because he got a huge, huge, 140 -some million people in Russia.

[672] It might be a bigger draw, but they both are very annoying fights.

[673] Very dangerous fights.

[674] Dangerous.

[675] Tony Ferguson, you know, it don't take much for him to find a way to get around your neck and choking.

[676] He doesn't get tired.

[677] He doesn't get tired.

[678] He looks like he's losing fights, and he don't care.

[679] Striking is very awkward.

[680] He can really do what Nate Diaz did to Connor.

[681] Yeah.

[682] And Neidea's, you know, baffling him.

[683] Like, damn, I hit you with everything.

[684] You're still around.

[685] Then Connor went for the damn shot.

[686] The same thing's going to happen if you do that to Tony.

[687] Tony's going to submit him.

[688] Here's my prediction.

[689] My prediction, Connor isn't fight for a while.

[690] He watched those two fights.

[691] They strip them.

[692] They strip Connor.

[693] And he comes fight me. Habib and Tony fight for the world title.

[694] For you, you're in a situation.

[695] I don't think either one of those guys are in the cars right now for you.

[696] But for you, who you see at 170?

[697] Well, what's your dream?

[698] Tell what to be honest is, you know, my dream was a really, I wanted to fight yours.

[699] and I feel like I feel like if I fought George I can legitimately say I'm the best World Tate of all time if I beat him It's still possible George hasn't retired Has he said anything about you He asked one time On a like Fox Q &A Where he was going to like So tiring If he fought what would be your game plan You know if you fought us But they got X out Because they didn't want to get All the fans pumped up They were fighting Why wouldn't they?

[700] Do you think they're plotting against you See it in your face Joe, she is not going to do that to me. I am too bright, mother -ha.

[701] You want me to be like the people who are against me. Listen, I want you to just be focused.

[702] You want me to be real?

[703] Yeah, for me. For real?

[704] Sure.

[705] Do I think that the people want to see me lose?

[706] No, I don't think they want to see me lose.

[707] So I think that sometimes I'm a pain in the ass.

[708] Yeah, I am.

[709] But in business, at one point in any business, the person that's doing the business, not want their best interests.

[710] So if I'm an athlete and I'm looking out for my best interest And I'm trying to put myself in a position where You know I can fight become a legend Become a Hall of Famer I should do that If I want to be paid appropriately I should do that In our sport because of the way the UFC started We did a damn UFC You do what we say And that's it no questions You fight who we want to fight You get paid we want to get paid And that's it And then what happened The specialist the one trick ponies stop then collision athletes start getting in their college wrestlers you know Kenny Floreen is the goddamn um almost thinking about being a doctor at one point so now got intelligent people coming into the sport they just so happen to be businessmen entrepreneurs so now I'm looking at market value I'm seeing what these motherfuckers making and guess what I should be making this if they're making that if I'm a champion and this person is doing this I should do that knowing what everybody's making knowing all the numbers I want to be at least fair I don't ask for no crazy.

[711] I don't ask for no $15 million and all that other stuff.

[712] So if me doing that makes me become difficult, then I guess I'm just a little bit difficult.

[713] Okay, but let me look at it from their perspective.

[714] What they look at in terms of what an athlete is worth is like, how much are they bringing in?

[715] Like, what kind of pay -per -view buys are you getting?

[716] How much was George bringing in when he first started fighting?

[717] Well, he wasn't making nearly as much money back then.

[718] But how much was he?

[719] Everybody has a start a certain way.

[720] You can't throw you out and say, Fight Wonderboy, UFC, blah, blah, blah.

[721] And if you don't do five, oh, well, you did 300 ,000 buys.

[722] You're not a draw.

[723] Okay.

[724] How was I promoted as a champion?

[725] How was...

[726] Okay, this is a long, circuitous sort of a conversation if we continue along this way.

[727] But what I'm trying to say is...

[728] There's a fancy word.

[729] There's a way...

[730] It's a thing.

[731] It's like a circular sort of a thing.

[732] You're going to keep circling back around to it.

[733] What I think is there's a way for if you want to make...

[734] a big super fight.

[735] Like if George St. Pierre really wanted to make a big super fight and the UFC wanted to make a big superstar out of you, that's the fight.

[736] Because one of two things happens.

[737] Either he beats you and he's even bigger than ever.

[738] Yeah.

[739] Or you beat him and you become bigger than ever.

[740] Let's do it.

[741] That's what I'm saying.

[742] There's no other fight that makes sense.

[743] But that's, that makes sense.

[744] No one's trying to stop that from happening.

[745] When the UFC is not willing to pay a certain amount of money, it's because they don't think they're going to get a certain amount of money.

[746] It's not because they're trying to avoid getting paid.

[747] If they thought that you could be some enormous superstar and they could make Connor McGregor type money from you, there's not, they would never say, ah, we don't want to do that because we don't want to give tyrant power.

[748] They don't think like that.

[749] They think like there are numbers people.

[750] They're trying to make pay -per -view buys.

[751] And if you only sold 300 ,000 pay -per -view buys because of the Wonderboy fight, there's not much they can do about that.

[752] I mean, it's not whether or not you were promoted a certain way as a fighter.

[753] That fight for someone like me is fascinating.

[754] But for the average fucking Johnny Lunchbox, I want to see blood type person.

[755] That's not...

[756] But the paper views are bought before the fight takes place.

[757] Right, but they knew the style.

[758] They knew the style.

[759] They knew the matchup.

[760] And especially the second time you guys fought.

[761] It was the fight of the night on the biggest card of UFC history, UFC 205 in Madison Square Garden.

[762] According to them, it was the best fight of the entire.

[763] card.

[764] So if that was the best fight and it was fighting is that because you got the award of fight of the night?

[765] Yeah.

[766] Yeah.

[767] That's just so you can get a bonus though, right?

[768] I mean and when you look at the fights in terms of like you could have a card where there's a lot of fights that aren't entirely significant and that would be the fight of the night I don't think there's anything wrong with that fight.

[769] I've told you before I like that fight.

[770] But what I'm saying is that the UFC the people that are casting any checks, if they deem, because they didn't want to make decision, right, Dana and whoever, if they say that this fight was a fight of the night, right?

[771] Which means you get more money.

[772] You get more money.

[773] A couple more bucks.

[774] But think about this.

[775] How different was the second fight?

[776] It was really kind of the same fight.

[777] Pretty much the same.

[778] So how is that fight to fight in the night?

[779] Then the very exact fucking fight a few months later is a boring fight.

[780] I'll get it.

[781] Well, who said it's boring?

[782] If you say it's boring, the world's going to say it's boring.

[783] If Dana says it's born, the world's going to say it's boring.

[784] So...

[785] Well, I never said it was boring.

[786] No, I'm just saying.

[787] I'd say if you look at the result after the fact, people might say if you knew what happened during the fight, you might say, well, it's boring to watch again.

[788] But watching it live was not boring at all because the consequences are so grave.

[789] It's one of the things that I pointed out.

[790] Like, if Wonderboy fucks up, he's going to sleep.

[791] If you fuck up, you're going to get kicked in the head too.

[792] Like anything can go wrong in that fight.

[793] That's a very tactical fight.

[794] But Dana didn't say it was a boring fight.

[795] What he said was, man, the way you let go on him in that period, you know, why don't you just do that every time?

[796] But that's crazy talk.

[797] I said, Dana, I said, when I let go, it's because I see the opening.

[798] When I see the opening, you always know me to go.

[799] Tell me one time, I've seen an opening and not went, and I had somebody hurt and I not try to finish him.

[800] But don't you think that that's just frustration for someone who's not fighting, who says things that aren't logical to you as a guy who's a champion who is fighting?

[801] These are things that people say that aren't logical.

[802] But it's damaging when it's the president.

[803] Right.

[804] When the president says it, especially when you got the cult is following, whatever he's saying.

[805] said it's going to go.

[806] If they say Damien Maya's born, everybody, and they're not going to change the word.

[807] If you say, Tyron Woodley and Damian Maya, oh my God, that fucking fight was born.

[808] Somebody's going to say, Tyron Woodley, Damian Maya, oh my God, that fucking fight is born.

[809] They're not even going to change the word.

[810] That's what we have.

[811] So as a champion in a position of being supposed to being promoted, at that place, it becomes damaging.

[812] So now, how are you going to come back and say, okay, Tyron's back, his shoulder's fixed.

[813] He's one of fucking most devastating guys.

[814] out there, you know, knock your motherfucking head off.

[815] But then five minutes ago, you just say he was born.

[816] You know what I mean?

[817] It's very hard.

[818] Okay, I see what you're saying.

[819] We're talking about two different things.

[820] What you're saying is you feel like the way they talked about you after the fight was damaging and disrespectful and also not accurate in terms of the consequences of your actions in the fight.

[821] And nobody came through and was like, damn, you know what?

[822] After found out this motherfuckeratoria's goddamn laborer in the first round, And he still didn't give a one damn takedown, didn't hardly get touched at all in the entire fight, maybe punched two or three times total.

[823] And that's kind of clutch.

[824] He must got a fucking strong mind.

[825] That's what you would like to hear.

[826] No, I don't want to hear anything because I want to fight.

[827] But you're saying that.

[828] You're saying that.

[829] I'm saying that it was a choice made to say one thing.

[830] Right.

[831] But it was also.

[832] Flies off the cuff, right?

[833] And it's always been the thing about him.

[834] But it's also, you can also fly off the cuff in the other direction.

[835] You can also say, hey, this person's, fucking next superstar.

[836] Oh, my guy, Ngano's crazy.

[837] Oh, my God, Cody Garbrane is fucking the man. Oh, my God, Paige Van Zandthis.

[838] All my man, stage, you know, like, that.

[839] You can say that.

[840] What's what happened?

[841] Million followers.

[842] Two million followers.

[843] And that makes a big difference.

[844] But that can happen to you at any moment.

[845] You're frustrated by the reaction to three particular fights.

[846] I'm not frustrated at all.

[847] You definitely frustrated.

[848] You want me to be frustrated.

[849] You want to tell you secret.

[850] I'm working like hell right now.

[851] I know you are.

[852] And I'm not frustrated.

[853] I know you are.

[854] I'm doing a lot of TV work.

[855] But you're obviously.

[856] unhappy with certain things and this unhappiness stems from the result of three fights but if you look at one fight before that the Robbie Lawler fight I mean everybody was talking about you like you were the most devastating thing of all time the fact that you were able to do that to Robbie Lawler yeah all you need is one or two more fights like that and everybody forgets about Damien Maya that's what happens you want me to be frustrated so bad no I don't well let me tell you this I definitely don't I'm really not frustrated at my man oh okay now you're playing cool guy i'm not frustrated i just know my deck of cards and i'm i'm i got a very thick layer of skin and i'm very i'm very cautious of who i am in my brand now when you look at the division right you're at the champ you're at the top of the food chain what do you see in front of you like what what threats what what fighters do you think or present unique challenges none well what do you think is next for you if you just forget about the super fights with fisting i think the deck needs to be shuffled and i think when i come back I think when I come back I take that back Carl Usman is dope He's freaking He's fighting this weekend He's a bad man And he's a guy that a lot of people Are not talking about For some strange reason For a lot of reasons And I'm okay to talk about it Because, you know I've always been honest He's very tough He's a good style matchup for me To present a lot of challenges He's a good wrestler He's very strong He's starting to come along with his hands And I like If I'm gonna fight somebody And it's on some number one container shit shit, shit.

[857] I want to fight somebody I respect.

[858] Somebody like RDA, somebody like Usman, Till, Pontinevio.

[859] These dudes are, these dudes are savages.

[860] And, you know, not to sound cocky, but I think my toughest challenges are behind me. I think Carlos Condit and Robbie Lawler, and at the time when Koch was almost a few fights away from fighting George.

[861] And, you know, those guys at that moment, those guys present a lot of problems.

[862] Cacheck had the same overhand right, just a little bit different wrestling, great chin, great condition, a lot of experience.

[863] You know, it was a threat for me. Robbie Lawler was a fighter year back -to -back.

[864] You know, had some of the craziest fights we've ever seen.

[865] Fucking lip hanging open.

[866] He's bleeding.

[867] And that's a dude I had to walk.

[868] He was a boogeyman at the time.

[869] So for me to get bubble guts, don't nobody have that power than Nate Markov did when he knocked me the hell out.

[870] I'll never be hit that hard again in my life.

[871] You think Kobe Covington is going to punch me and make me like wince and back up?

[872] No. Look at how he just punching Damia.

[873] Those are rabbit punches.

[874] So if you don't have great wrestling, great wrestling defense, great conditioning, empowering your hand, you're just not going to give me butterflies.

[875] Well, I think for sure you have accomplished some great things and fought some amazing fights against some very dangerous challenges.

[876] I mean, there's no doubt about that.

[877] No one could deny that.

[878] And those fights that you did just talk about, Carlos Condit, particularly Robbie Lawler, Josh Koch and his prime, amazing fights, great results.

[879] But when you talk about Usman, We talk about RDA, you talk about Darren Till.

[880] You're talking about also potential, amazing fights.

[881] I think there's a lot of outstanding opportunity, and I think your division is one of the most talent -rich divisions in the sport.

[882] Yeah, I'm not just crediting that.

[883] I think that I'm always a forward -thinking dude.

[884] So the Till guy didn't sneak up on me. You saw Till in advance?

[885] You saw him?

[886] I'm going to tell you how I do this, right?

[887] At one point in time, it was Brandon Thatch.

[888] It was Eric Silva.

[889] it was Kelvin Gasselham It was Stephen Thompson Okay Brandon Thatch Eric Silver Kind of dwind it away Gasselam went up fought me Stephen Thompson went up So now these The Darren Till The Usman All those guys They're in that same pool So I'm always thinking about training Always thinking about fighting these guys Always game planning for these guys Before they even come up At some point I don't have to fight everybody Because they're going to cancel each other out If there's five studs I might walk into three of them so I got to be ready.

[890] Damian Maya wasn't a surprise.

[891] I asked for Damian Maya after I fought Jake Shields or somebody I fought and my manager was like dude why you want to fight Damien Maya man he sucks a such a beast and this is this and this and now I'm like I know this on paper Roy McDonald's my toughest matchup in the division right now.

[892] Even when Ellenberger was a stud and was fucking wrecking people because of his power, his wrestling and his condition him and Johnny Hendress also would have been a threat.

[893] what guys were I was trying to fight?

[894] Let me get Johnny Hendricks, former champion, Ray McDonnell.

[895] So I was going up against the guys.

[896] Carlos Kahnit, still today, might be my favorite fighter.

[897] So when I watched his video, I was getting bought.

[898] I'm like, this motherfucker, good.

[899] I was still in his techniques.

[900] But what happened when I fought him?

[901] Did he look like the same Kualis Kani?

[902] He looked, no, I punched him.

[903] He looked like a ratchet.

[904] It was snatching him across the, you know, across the octagon.

[905] It wasn't like I just kicked him in a knee, and, oh, my God, he was going to win.

[906] No, he was getting.

[907] dominated that fight because I did my homework.

[908] I respect him that much that I took all his tools and I left him naked out there in the octagon and he had to deal with my speed and he had to deal with my power.

[909] That's what I do to everybody.

[910] Nobody sees it.

[911] They think I'm just just a strong -ass fucking wrestler with a hard right hand.

[912] But look at the way they Jordan Mia looked against me. Look at the way that Terrick Saffernan.

[913] I outstruck Paul Daly.

[914] Kelvin Gasselman has never looked like that against anybody else.

[915] Same thing with Steven.

[916] Same thing with Maya.

[917] Same thing with Condit.

[918] Same thing with Robbie.

[919] It's not It's not a surprise.

[920] That's the way that Duke and Dean and I, we address what we, if I'm fighting me, fight tiring this way, take him to the late round, kick his leg, stay away from his power, circuit his way.

[921] So now I'm going to formulate my game plan about what I think you think of me. Then I think about every fucking thing that you do.

[922] Every skill, every talent, every man your reason, what you do when you get tired, what you're going to go to, what's your bread and butter, and I get ready for those.

[923] And sometimes it's like, Robbie took a long time, it took up until the way, week of the fight for me to be like, I got this motherfucker.

[924] What was it that was different?

[925] He just punches really awkwardly.

[926] He punches his arms away longer than what you think.

[927] He's got way better boxing than when you think.

[928] It doesn't look all like you see somebody slipping the stuff.

[929] He threw a lot of unorthodox overhand lefts and uppercuts and right kicks, which makes it very difficult to slip off line and throw any punches.

[930] He will scramble any first shot.

[931] If you shoot a shot, he'll scramble you hard.

[932] You have to shoot two, three, four attempts to get him to the ground.

[933] He had one butterfly that he used to sweep to get out the ground.

[934] So we just knew all that.

[935] And then at any point, he can play roper dope, and then he can come off swinging.

[936] So that's a lot of things to think about.

[937] And then he just can stand here like this and go boom, and you're knocked out.

[938] Not technique, not turning hips.

[939] He just had heavy hands naturally.

[940] So that's all was a threat.

[941] We've seen him in wars.

[942] He's not going to go away.

[943] So I had the formulated game plan that I can get around all that.

[944] Now, when you saw the RDA Robbie Lawler fight, you said that you weren't really impressed with that fight.

[945] Because RDA had him against the octagon, and he was teeing off for 30 ,000 punches, and he didn't knock him down, and he didn't hurt him.

[946] He was basically just punching the punch.

[947] Anytime you punch to punch, you're watching your energy.

[948] Well, he's going up in weight, and he's more volume now than he was when he was fighting at 155.

[949] Yeah, I think he's fighting.

[950] Hey, you hear it now.

[951] When you get here now, I mean, when you get here now, I mean, he's more.

[952] I mean, if you make the jump, you make the jump, you know.

[953] You can't be like I'm a, I was a lightweight.

[954] No, he's a welterweight now.

[955] No doubt, but, I mean, his style is different than, especially a guy like you throws one -shot bombs.

[956] This is my thought on Robbie, okay?

[957] A lot of people, I pick Robbie apart in the film room before I even fought him.

[958] And the fight was over with before the fight started.

[959] Robbie starts out the first 30 seconds, extremely hard.

[960] He ends the first 30 seconds extremely hard.

[961] second and fourth round are kind of close he's going forward you're going forward he'll take something to give some okay third round he usually takes off you ever notice that he gets against a cage he's confident in his defense he'll let you punch and he'll block you okay he won't waste a lot of energy so he can get into that second gear it's not that he's so well conditioned watch his fight against Carlos why she's fight against rory watch his fight against rda he spent the same moment against the octagon where he allowed the opponent to punch at him the same thing with johnny then he came off trying to get to him to burn themselves out.

[962] It's very smart, but if everyone to act like he's just a fucking marathon runner, he's not.

[963] So when that happened, I said, okay, you got to get on Robbie Hart, you got to get on Robbie quick.

[964] He's been punched a lot.

[965] Like I did, all, every fucking stats, you can think.

[966] I had Rie Kuhn, the Phytonomics guy hit me up, saying Robbie has a flat face.

[967] You punch his fat face, he's used to absorbing those punches.

[968] Go around the side, punch him on the jawline.

[969] What kind of crazy logic is that?

[970] Man, I'll use everything.

[971] I can tell you how many times he stepped to the fucking left and they're going to fight.

[972] How many times you throw his right hand versus left hand?

[973] So, you know, I've been really secretive about a lot of this stuff because most people just see me as an athlete.

[974] They just punch hard.

[975] There's a good wrestler that, you know, that's tough and, you know, good game plan.

[976] But I really overly get obsessed with studying my opponents to the point where when Mazved I was fighting Wonderboy, I'm like, he's about to do this.

[977] He's about to do this.

[978] He's talking this up.

[979] Look, told you, there you go.

[980] Oh, he's about to do it.

[981] And everybody's looking at me like, how the fuck do you know that?

[982] I said, you motherfuckers watched that fight that I fought him, and you thought it was so easy.

[983] Get your ass in there, and that Wonder Boy is a G. And he can take a punch way better than I thought.

[984] I hit his ass hard.

[985] And he went down three or four times, and he just had the mentality.

[986] I'm not going to lose today.

[987] I'm not going to lose today.

[988] And he was rewarded for that effort of just saying, you know what, I'm going to give it all I got.

[989] And he'll forever have my respect.

[990] But at the end of the day, you've got to be able to be honest with yourself.

[991] I'm honest with who I am, what I do well.

[992] I'm not the best at elbows.

[993] Can I throw elbows?

[994] Yes.

[995] But am I going to sit out there and act like I'm, you know, Matt Brown or somebody?

[996] No, that's his deal.

[997] Matt Brown ain't going to storm you across the octagon like I will.

[998] So once I see what I do well and I, you know, I can hide my weaknesses behind my strengths.

[999] I can allow my opponents never to put me in a spot where they're going to have the advantage.

[1000] Did Damien might ever put me in a position where he had me in his half guard?

[1001] No, never did it.

[1002] But you still, you didn't think that RDA's performance against Robbie Law was impressive?

[1003] Because he overwhelmed Robbie.

[1004] I mean, he - Did Robbie turn his ACL in the fight?

[1005] I don't know.

[1006] I think he might have.

[1007] I didn't hear anything about that.

[1008] From a tactical standpoint, I thought he had some really good successful low kicks.

[1009] Yeah.

[1010] And I thought he kind of abandoned that.

[1011] I was kind of surprised that he didn't do that.

[1012] And then I saw Robbie do the rope -a -dope, but Robbie never came off.

[1013] Normally, like I said, Robbie will take some punch, and then he'll come off.

[1014] storming you never came out storming maybe it's because he messed his leg up or whatever but just from from two people that they want to say they're going to fight me next let me fight somebody and it's a it's a city did he turret roller fought rda seriously injured now those injuries have been revealed let's see what we got here was to say um destroyed blue his ACL and meniscus in the fight and every other thing that's in your knee out in the third round said wobbled over to the fence so it makes sense yeah that's that's It makes sense because if Robbie is notoriously known for, you know, like think about when Rory had him against the octagon, when Carl is kind of, then he comes out and he comes out blasting.

[1015] But it said he hurt himself before the fight, though?

[1016] Yeah, I had another article I was going to pull up, but I found that that said, yeah, he was injured going into the fight.

[1017] So he tore his ACL before the fight?

[1018] Or during the fight?

[1019] I might find that a long second.

[1020] The title of that, though, go back to that real quick, the title of it said, who's seriously injured going into the fight?

[1021] Not said injured, and then the injuries have been revealed.

[1022] Oh, okay.

[1023] Yeah, so I think that one said the third round, right?

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] Which is right when you were saying that he lays off.

[1026] It makes sense.

[1027] So he didn't come off, you can't go to a thread on his brother.

[1028] Yeah, that's why I want to go with it.

[1029] That's at sure.

[1030] You can't go to the thread on us.

[1031] We don't know where the L .A. came from.

[1032] But, yeah, you know, that would make sense because I'm used to Robbie coming off and getting those 30 -second bursts.

[1033] Like, I don't know exactly.

[1034] I talked to Big John about this for a while about the judging, right?

[1035] And, you know, damage being landed.

[1036] So some of those fights, or even if Robbie wasn't the more active one, he's damaging people more because he punched harder and his look more aggressive.

[1037] But how can Carlos Condit control the fact that he just don't punch as hard as Robbie?

[1038] Right.

[1039] You know, should he be penalized?

[1040] Did you think he beat Robbie in a fight?

[1041] I'd have to go back and watch that again.

[1042] I thought it was a very, very close fight.

[1043] At the time, did you think it?

[1044] I don't think I did.

[1045] I think I thought that Hendricks did, or that Robbie did just enough to win.

[1046] But I'd have to go back and watch it again.

[1047] See, I thought at that moment that Carlos won, but I wasn't like, oh, my God, I can't believe they gave him to Robbie.

[1048] It was extremely close.

[1049] You could make an argument for either guy winning, I think.

[1050] But Robbie, because he landed the more harder punches and it looked scarier, I think that's why he got the night.

[1051] That means something, though.

[1052] I mean, someone who hits harder, it has more damage.

[1053] That damage should be accumulated.

[1054] I mean, that should be added up.

[1055] So someone throws punches and it looks like it's affecting a person more.

[1056] Even if the other person throw more and land more, then the person that's landing the damaging punches you think should win.

[1057] I think damage should count for more than punches that don't damage.

[1058] So, like, if one person hits you...

[1059] Is that the way that they're supposed to score now currently?

[1060] I don't know.

[1061] I mean, the new...

[1062] What's interesting is Nevada still doesn't accept the new rules.

[1063] They need to get the old ones right before they try to bring in the new ones.

[1064] Yeah.

[1065] Yeah, but what's also interesting is the scores are much wider now.

[1066] You see a lot more 10 -8s now than you've just saw before, which I think is good.

[1067] I just think that our system, taking a system from boxing that only uses hands and applying that to take down, submission attempts, leg kicks, you would almost have to know this guy is a jihitsu world champion.

[1068] The fact that this guy swept him, he should score more because this guy, this is his, you know, warehouse.

[1069] But nobody's going to, no judge is going to have that, you know, insight.

[1070] I think it should be a much broader system.

[1071] I don't think it should be 10 points at all.

[1072] you're dealing with extreme amounts of variables it should be like almost like a hundred point system the guy that ref my fight against the wonder boy the first time the one that um was one judge that gave a 10 10 8 the first round and a 10 9 the 4th round 4th round is when i knocked him down three times yeah the 108 was when you almost got him in the guillotine is that why he no no no no that's what he said i almost got him in guillotine in the fourth round yeah and he said well you know why did I think you almost got him in a guillotine the first round?

[1073] In the first fight?

[1074] The first fight, the first round, I just ground upon the hell out of him.

[1075] I took him down and I just beat him up for the whole round.

[1076] He gave that round a 10 -8.

[1077] So it was the fourth round where you got him in the guillotine?

[1078] The fourth round is when I knocked him down.

[1079] I knocked him down again.

[1080] I knocked him down again, and then I went for the guillotine.

[1081] So I knocked him down three times and I went for a guillotine.

[1082] The judge told me, he said, you know, I thought it was a 10 -8 round, You know, but then you wasted a minute in a guillotine.

[1083] Wasted a minute.

[1084] He told me, now, I had just got over this shit, right?

[1085] I was, I was just got.

[1086] He really fucking said that.

[1087] He said that.

[1088] I had just got over the fact that I felt like it was some bullshit.

[1089] I got over that fact.

[1090] So, you know what?

[1091] Whatever it is, what is, let's do it again.

[1092] This motherfucker fucking beat him.

[1093] This motherfucker walk up to me, I don't even know who he is.

[1094] Say, hey, man, does you want to let you know?

[1095] I judge your fight.

[1096] And, you know, I'm the one that gave you the 10.

[1097] in the first round and 10 in the fourth round and then all of a sudden my inside just started burning and he's like you know I just want to explain to you why you know because I don't have a problem with you know facing the fighters after worse you know you did well I was going to give you a 10 round you know it was crazy and you know but then you waste a minute in the get team oh that's so crazy I said um sir let me tell you something I said the first round if you would have said 109 on it okay I ground and pound I bloodied him up he didn't show no offense 10 8 109 whatever you want to give it I'm cool with that and I said the fourth round I knocked him down three times and I said I want to tell you a guillotine choke is not a it's not a move that you can say I wasted time in it's a finishing move and it was tight had he fucking tapped out the fight would have been over with so the fact that I try to knock him out then his neck became available to my arms then I grabbed his fucking neck then I tried to choke him out then he popped his head out yes he's tough for making it through that whole onslaught of me trying to kill him.

[1098] But does that give him an extra point?

[1099] He said, but then he threw some punches.

[1100] I said, go back and watch the fight.

[1101] I said, he threw a few punches from the top.

[1102] How many landed?

[1103] He said, I don't know.

[1104] I said, sir, I'm over to fight.

[1105] I'm glad they didn't say I lost the fight.

[1106] But the only significant damage that was landed in the fight came from me. The only knockdowns, the only blood drawn, the only jeopardy of someone directed.

[1107] if we getting involved, happy when I was on the end of it.

[1108] I just think the system sucks.

[1109] Yeah.

[1110] I really think the scoring system needs to be completely revamped.

[1111] That's ridiculous, right?

[1112] That kind of talking.

[1113] Because people going on us, you know what?

[1114] Fuck it.

[1115] Today, I'm going to let it go to the judges.

[1116] I'm going to, hey, you know what?

[1117] I'm not going to try to knock you all.

[1118] No, I trust.

[1119] Them three right there look very trustworthy.

[1120] I'm going to leave it in their hands and all my kids and my family and my belt.

[1121] I'm just, you know, I'm going to live it up to them.

[1122] I always hate that expression.

[1123] I hate it because it's so stupid.

[1124] Some guys don't want to be finished.

[1125] Most guys, in Stevens' case, would have been overweight.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] You know, some guys just tough.

[1128] I mean, I don't want to just be finished.

[1129] Right.

[1130] Nobody does.

[1131] It's a foolish way of looking at it.

[1132] It's not, it's just the best way to fight is the best way to fight.

[1133] And if you see an opening, like you said, that's when you move.

[1134] The idea that you're supposed to just rush into danger, that's how you lose.

[1135] Yeah.

[1136] And the fact that people don't know that and that people say things like that and they don't understand what, They really shouldn't be talking about fighting.

[1137] Man. Fighting is a complicated thing.

[1138] Fighting is a complicated thing, and it's also, it's one sport where it's like if the team doesn't run the ball, well, they don't run the ball.

[1139] They pass.

[1140] So if Stephen Thompson, he doesn't have to wrestle.

[1141] He doesn't have to try to do jiu -jitsu.

[1142] He just have to stop you from doing it to him.

[1143] Well, he's got that style that's impossible to find anywhere else.

[1144] He's standing completely sideways.

[1145] He's throwing front -leg kicks that can knock you out.

[1146] He's doing a lot of weird stuff, and he bends at the waist like a snake.

[1147] He leads, all those years of point karate.

[1148] He's really fast at it, too.

[1149] He kept me into them, though.

[1150] Raymond Daniels, which is a pain in the ass.

[1151] Oh, yeah.

[1152] Sage Northcut, which actually, in my opinion, sparring -wise, was way harder than Wonderboy.

[1153] More M -M -A experience, for sure, and also sidekicks.

[1154] Sage is his sidekicks.

[1155] I had the word, Taekwino Pat, the spar sage.

[1156] He kicked me through the fence.

[1157] Oh, my bad, Mr. Woodley.

[1158] I'm like, damn, this motherfucker is.

[1159] The Fri -P -D.

[1160] That's not a joke.

[1161] It's no joke.

[1162] So he was good.

[1163] I had a kid named Chris Bang from the same background.

[1164] Then I had another guy named Michael Tang, who's the Taekwondo guy from the East Coast.

[1165] And then actually, a lot of people don't know as Duke.

[1166] Actually, his original base was Taekwondo.

[1167] So having all those guys, it wasn't fun.

[1168] I mean, it was many rounds.

[1169] I did not win.

[1170] I mean, Sage Northcutt kicked my ass for a couple days because I couldn't figure out how to hell to get.

[1171] get up on him without getting kicked in the sidekick right then now you got to think about it like damn how close do I get to him before he you know kick me in the side so you know it's a totally different style of movement and Wonder Boy is probably the best in the world out of it he's good it's a very complicated fight and that's why almost had an MVP out too me but he um his manager trying to get too much money say that again um Michael Venom page oh really I was gonna bring him out too he wanted to come out but his manager excuse me wanted me to bring him bring the manager bring the friend you know Pay them all this money, get them all three different separate rental cars.

[1172] I said, I don't know if the hell y 'all think I am.

[1173] What kind of money I got, but we're not doing that for three days.

[1174] You made a big change in your life when you started training with Duke, and a lot of people don't know that before that you really didn't have, like, a main trainer, which is pretty impressive.

[1175] Dean's been with me for a long time.

[1176] But as far as a coach, coach every day, I put myself through stuff.

[1177] That was all I was doing.

[1178] It's crazy.

[1179] Before Duke, it was just me. I had a gym.

[1180] I would say, hey, guys, you're going to swear at this time.

[1181] We're going to do this.

[1182] I would, you know, try to address my weaknesses.

[1183] And I've been really blessed to have the amount of success I had without having a full -time coach.

[1184] Then it just got to that point when I told Dean, I said, man, whatever it costs, man, whatever I got to pay, I need you the whole time.

[1185] I said, because I can't do it.

[1186] I've been winging this shit.

[1187] I can't keep doing that.

[1188] But what was interesting, you told me that it was your son's idea.

[1189] Yeah, you got a good memory.

[1190] To go to Duke.

[1191] You've been taking some notes.

[1192] No, I can remember shit.

[1193] Yeah, my son, I had, we was doing an embedded thing, and he was like, so where are we going tomorrow?

[1194] I was like, damn, like, either tomorrow is so on a humbug.

[1195] I'm like, we either go fly to Florida, me and Dean, or we're going to drive to Milwaukee.

[1196] Then my son, Darren, he said, I think you should go to Florida.

[1197] Go up there and train with Ben Ascran and Anthony Patterson, those guys, and I think you should go up there.

[1198] You mean Milwaukee.

[1199] You said Florida.

[1200] No, sorry, Milwaukee, yeah.

[1201] So I said, we woke up that morning.

[1202] I said, fuck it, we're going to Milwaukee.

[1203] So the embedded guys, they actually had to drive my car.

[1204] I was getting tired and falling asleep.

[1205] So the embedded guys were driving my truck up there.

[1206] And we went up there.

[1207] It was this cold, negative 14 degrees.

[1208] I was like, man, if this sucks, I'm coming back home in a week.

[1209] I brought Eve out there who had never been in the cold in his life.

[1210] He's actually going to die.

[1211] But, yeah, I went out there, and then Duke has always invited me to come out.

[1212] He don't invite a lot of guys.

[1213] But Duke, from Ben, from Anthony, I always saw those guys killing Southpaws.

[1214] And after I talk to Duke, now I understand.

[1215] Duke's brother was a South Paul.

[1216] So his main sparring partner, he learned all the tricks on how to defeat a South Paul.

[1217] So I'm like, how did Anthony and all these guys, every time they go against somebody at the opposite stance, they did a grade against him.

[1218] So if you do the math, everybody I fought, the mother had seven fights have been Southball.

[1219] Robbie, Wonderboy, Maya, you got to say Wonder Boy again.

[1220] All difficult fights.

[1221] Kelma Gasselham, Dung Young Kim, all have been South Paul.

[1222] And all difficult guys at South Paul.

[1223] And guess what?

[1224] Everybody else in front of me is South Paul.

[1225] RDA, Robbie was South Paul, Caraquitaine, in South Paul.

[1226] So you got all these guys that are South Paul.

[1227] So it's made sense for me. Not only that, he made fighting fun again.

[1228] I wasn't having fun with it.

[1229] He made it fun to learn I felt like a kid again And you know It was a great morale at the gym And you know It was I felt very Specific to where I was doing I felt like I wasn't doing any training Just pushing slats and flipping shit Just to say I did it Everything had to function And I felt better And I looked better And you know I did all this training I was running my fucking self Into the ground Doing all this You know Three four day trainings And looking all crazy And I got into the octagon And it never showed People were like damn man tiring got all the goddamn muscles you got all those muscles then the motherfucker might get tired so I'm like damn I'm doing all this extra work but it ain't showing an octagon but then I started training with Duke and Dean and they forced me to say tyrant trust us you're doing too much and it's not if your sparring is affected because of your strength of conditioning it's no longer a supplement it's taking the primary and we're not in fucking CrossFit we're in fighting your sparring is number one anything it takes for your sparring to be the best.

[1230] That's what we got to do.

[1231] So if we got to run more, do less stress conditioning, if we got to actually do none, just spar.

[1232] If we got to, like, there's been times I go on there and have a shitty sparring day.

[1233] And I said, I'll see you out in the morning we're doing this again, and we're running back.

[1234] Because in the practice room, you can run it back.

[1235] In real life, you can't.

[1236] So I take advantage of, you know, the playground of, if they've been practiced.

[1237] And I think now I just love fighting again.

[1238] I love training.

[1239] I love competing.

[1240] I love winning.

[1241] I love that minute when you know you won.

[1242] Now, how much time do you spend in Milwaukee?

[1243] Do you just move your whole camp there?

[1244] Like, how do you do it?

[1245] Yeah, most of the time.

[1246] I had to spend some time in Florida because Damien Maia, I'll be a complete idiot if I didn't take part of the, you know, Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu, Blackbells hit American -top team.

[1247] It really depends on the fight.

[1248] I usually try to get at least four weeks with Duke.

[1249] The good thing about Duke, Duke doesn't have a huge ego, and he knows what he does well, but he works well with other coaches.

[1250] That's why him and Dean has been such a great duo.

[1251] If I need to bring in another striking coach or another training partner or somebody else, he opens up the door for that because at the end of the day, the goal is for me to be the champion, stay the champion, and reach my goal, being the greatest wealth weight of all time.

[1252] Duke has a great attitude.

[1253] He's such a smart guy.

[1254] If it was not for that, then it would be a little bit difficult.

[1255] And also, Dan Lambert, you've got to realize I've been to American top team since they won.

[1256] Dan Lambert has never been in the blue about where I'm training and where I'm going.

[1257] I've always caught him.

[1258] And for him to give me the ability to go and get stuff about the coaches has also been very helpful.

[1259] No, he's another amazing guy, too.

[1260] And he's such a valuable guy in MMA.

[1261] You think about the amount of money that he spent an American top team before he made any money.

[1262] I mean, that guy poured money into mixed martial arts, poured it into it and created one of the greatest facilities on the planet Earth for MMA, especially the new place.

[1263] Yeah, that's insane.

[1264] He's great, too.

[1265] I mean, but as a coach, what I really respect about Duke is not just the fact that he's got this incredible wealth of knowledge, but that he's so humble.

[1266] He's so like down to earth and chill Most of the G's are The people that really just know it They don't have to prove it Dien's like that Dukes like that Lamber's like that Some guys that overly want to show you And stuff Those are the people that are kind of insecure Or where they're at As coaches Striking coaches I mean you train with striking coaches Oh why you train with that guy They like get so sensitive I've never seen it before Yeah So I just don't like to deal with it Yeah it's unfortunate My Boston coached like that too Eric Brown from Wildcard I've been training with him since 2007, 2008.

[1267] So he's the same way.

[1268] So now when you're out here, like, sometimes you're home, and when you're home, what kind of stuff do you do, like if you're not injured, if you're not recovering from a surgery?

[1269] Like, what stuff do you do at home?

[1270] I hang out with my kids.

[1271] Go to football practice, go to wrestling practice, take everybody to school, pick everybody up, play video games.

[1272] But what about, like, training?

[1273] I don't train.

[1274] You don't train at home?

[1275] Sometimes, not much.

[1276] Really?

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] You don't do anything.

[1279] I do strength of conditioning.

[1280] my got Derek Fairchild and um i got a i got a up -and -coming um feather weight that's really fast and good boxing so i play around with him a little bit i might run i might hit the bag might do the versatile climber but when it's camp time i'm out when it's not camp time i'm both the family that's interesting so you don't you're not constantly training no wow that's do you feel like that gives you you used to why did you change that because i stopped like in m -ma oh okay so now so now So you feel like you were kind of burnt out.

[1281] But I never stopped watching.

[1282] I'm always watching film.

[1283] I'm always, obviously working on Fox.

[1284] I got to break everybody down.

[1285] I wasn't burnt out.

[1286] I just, I want to miss this shit.

[1287] I want to get back in there.

[1288] I want to hear somebody named.

[1289] They fight me. I want to get nervous a little bit and watch some film and see what they do well.

[1290] And then let's get this together.

[1291] Let's write everything out.

[1292] Let's map out the training camp.

[1293] Let's get our partners.

[1294] Let's do what we need to do.

[1295] And let's get after.

[1296] And that takes away the pressure for me. Right.

[1297] Now, with this injury and the fact that three months in, you should be able to probably start training hard, when are you looking to defend the belt again?

[1298] You know, I can probably, I can probably fight.

[1299] April will be kind of pushing it, but May, June, July is usually a good card.

[1300] The fourth, the big July 4th card.

[1301] I probably try to wait today.

[1302] That's a good one.

[1303] Yeah, probably wait today.

[1304] And that's probably like more conservative.

[1305] George, St. Pierre, fighting, main event, July, whatever the hell weekend.

[1306] July 4th weekend.

[1307] Used to be an international fight, yeah.

[1308] That's the big one.

[1309] That would be, I mean, that's why I have the biggest chance to get a big fight.

[1310] That's what I want.

[1311] If I was your manager, that's what we've got to do, Ty.

[1312] So, July probably.

[1313] Hang in there.

[1314] I mean, there's no fight in between it that's going to make sense for me to do.

[1315] Has George say he's retired or he's not retired?

[1316] What did he do?

[1317] He just gave up the belt, right?

[1318] George, I don't want to speak for George, because I like George.

[1319] I like him, too.

[1320] So I don't want to speak for him.

[1321] but George is smart.

[1322] He plays the fact that he don't, oh, I don't really speak English that way.

[1323] He's a motherfucker smart.

[1324] He knows what he's doing.

[1325] Bisming was a right fight.

[1326] Okay, think about it.

[1327] Bisming, according to all the middleweights, wasn't really the best middleweight.

[1328] Everybody wants to fight Bisming.

[1329] Right.

[1330] So if George is going to go up, fighting for another belt, another legendary move, fight a guy that does not have the punch in power, maybe cannot take him down, Maybe it cannot stop the takedown.

[1331] And for once, George probably had a punch -in -power advantage against Bisbee.

[1332] So with that said, it made a lot of sense from to do that.

[1333] They also had a lot of history training together.

[1334] That was a big part of it.

[1335] Yeah.

[1336] In George's eyes, he was very successful against him in training.

[1337] He was kind of worried about the size, though.

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] He came, he was like, hey, so how much you think Bisming way?

[1340] I'm like, are you fucking serious?

[1341] Are you, like, really worried about that?

[1342] Well, there was talk about you fighting Bisping at one time.

[1343] I know you guys got, I was with it.

[1344] Got back and forth.

[1345] I wait like 205 right now.

[1346] I'm good.

[1347] I'm good to fight at middleweight.

[1348] I actually offer to fight George at middleweight and give up my belt at Weltsweight and just fight him.

[1349] If I lose the fucking middleweight title, then I lost my belt and now I'm fucking Sam Saucy kid.

[1350] You know, I guess don't to the bottom of the deck.

[1351] But when you make that kind of ballsy, say, hey, I'll fight him at middleweight and I'll give my belt up.

[1352] If that fight doesn't happen at that point, I kind of feel like.

[1353] like somebody might not want to, might not want to fight.

[1354] Well, it's hard to say, right?

[1355] Because he only fought once in four years and there's no timetable in his return and no thought whatsoever.

[1356] There's a lot of weirdness in this sport right now and so much rests on January 20th.

[1357] So much rests on Inganu versus Steepa.

[1358] Because I think that fight is going to be gigantic for the sport.

[1359] It's going to be gigantic for the sport.

[1360] And then, you know, I think Stepe is used to overly working and over, you know what I mean?

[1361] He had that spot with you like, man, what am I ever?

[1362] going to get my shot and if I only got it took advantage of it you know I was in a similar situation I'm like when am I going to get my shot got it took advantage of it and Gano has very scary he's so scary he don't knock you out regular that's the that's the thing he'll hit you and you fall out he hits you and everybody oh shh they're wondering if you alive still and it's kind of like like when he hit ovary oh my god do you see the mean when it was like the like the past candy yeah and his head his back of his head almost touched the spine That was an insane knockout.

[1363] Yeah, he knocked him now out.

[1364] He's freaky in his speed, his power, and his story is incredible.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] I mean, you want to talk about a story that's like right out of a movie.

[1367] Yeah.

[1368] A guy was homeless five years ago, and now all of a sudden, in two years of fighting the UFC.

[1369] He's so appreciative and so happy, you know, fucking hands were like two times the size of my hand.

[1370] You said you shake his hand before?

[1371] Yeah, they're huge.

[1372] It feels weird like you hook, like you're shaking a loaf of bread.

[1373] I'm like, damn, this dude.

[1374] I told his boxing coach, I'm like, man, I do not.

[1375] I envy you, man, you get punched in the body protector.

[1376] I know that you heard.

[1377] He said, no, he said, you could put it on.

[1378] I said, no, I will not.

[1379] Hell to the, no. And not about that life.

[1380] He's something special.

[1381] The real question is, what happened in that fight?

[1382] If I was Stepe, I would want.

[1383] Take him down, but he ain't going to do it.

[1384] Yeah, he's going to try.

[1385] Stebe got a good chance, but I wouldn't test it against him.

[1386] No, don't test it.

[1387] I think he's going to try to close a distance and grab him and try to drag him to the ground.

[1388] I think he should, but I don't think he's going to be able to?

[1389] I think he want to show everybody.

[1390] I stood up with Overeem, I stood up with JDS, I stood over Fabricio, I stood up with all these guys.

[1391] Totally different thing.

[1392] Rory Nelson.

[1393] I know, I know that.

[1394] Totally different thing.

[1395] But I ain't on this coaching staff.

[1396] I don't know what they're thinking.

[1397] I think he should punch the takedowns, take down the ground and pound, wear his arms out.

[1398] Make Inganu fight him to stop getting takedown and see if you can take some steam off them hands.

[1399] That's what I think too.

[1400] And I think that the clinch is going to be critical.

[1401] Overeem got the clinch on him but couldn't do anything with it.

[1402] And Steepie was a college wrestler Steepay has got good wrestling skills You know he's known more as being An overall well -rounded MMA fighter But I think he's got to get that clinch I think standing in front of Ingano It's just You're just You're playing Russian roulette One of those bullets is going to land I'm not standing in front of that man Not even just in the Even if we're doing an appearance I'm like hey you're too close to me Move your big ass over there Big old dude Yeah when he connects It's just it's something different So people always ask me this Do you think they want Inganu to win?

[1403] Do you think they're trying to set this up so he can win?

[1404] Do you think, like as far as people ask that?

[1405] He's an amazing story.

[1406] If he was the champion, it would be very marketable.

[1407] And I don't think they want...

[1408] Yeah, I mean...

[1409] Even the firefighter with the Ratsby voice?

[1410] I don't think there's...

[1411] I think if Steve A can turn Francis back, that's very marketable too.

[1412] I think the...

[1413] If he wins, he wants winners.

[1414] He broke the record, right?

[1415] Yeah.

[1416] He will break the record, which is crazy.

[1417] Two defenses.

[1418] I know, that's how crazy the heavyweight division is and always has been.

[1419] You know, the most anyone has ever done is Kane.

[1420] Kane's done two defenses, right?

[1421] Damn, that's crazy.

[1422] It's Kane, right?

[1423] Kane holds the...

[1424] I don't know if it's Kane on it.

[1425] And poor Kane.

[1426] Kane has so many injuries, man. It's just constantly injured that poor guy is constantly getting surgery.

[1427] Did he freaking...

[1428] I know my man over there.

[1429] He's checking.

[1430] Now, I thought you had a St. Louis hat, though.

[1431] You were supposed to get some stripes over there.

[1432] L .A. L .A. L .A. and it's from Ohio.

[1433] What part of Ohio?

[1434] Columbus.

[1435] Columbus, all right.

[1436] Cold as hell out there.

[1437] Fuck, yeah, it is.

[1438] I was just out in Canton not too long ago.

[1439] My son played in the Hall of Fame.

[1440] Who was it?

[1441] Why no UFC champion has defended the belt more than twice, heavyweight champion?

[1442] So what does it say?

[1443] Does it say whether it's Kane?

[1444] Yeah, Kane.

[1445] Yep, Kane Velasquez.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] This is a while ago.

[1448] I think Steepa is a version of Kane with less injuries.

[1449] Cane kicks a little bit more, but, you know, just pressure, punching.

[1450] Endurance.

[1451] Yeah.

[1452] Seba is a beast.

[1453] He's definitely a beast.

[1454] Look, this is going to be the toughest fight for sure in Ingano's career.

[1455] But what's – I mean, if Steve A can win, it's amazing.

[1456] And it solidifies his position as the baddest man on the planet.

[1457] But there's something about Inganu that is – It's more enticing to people.

[1458] It's also the fact that Stipe has been in so many wars, and his chin has been touched a lot of times.

[1459] So he has a great chin, but you don't want to keep testing that, especially against a dude like Angano with awkward power.

[1460] Yeah, the five -round Junior Dos Santos fight was a crazy long fight.

[1461] He got knocked down.

[1462] By ovarim.

[1463] Yeah.

[1464] It's a tough one.

[1465] But the thing is, like, we, We know so little about Ingano's ground game.

[1466] We know so little about his ability to overcome adversity.

[1467] He's just been smashing people.

[1468] I agree.

[1469] I said that other day, I think that Steve Hayes been in the tough fights.

[1470] He's been knocked down.

[1471] And he's on a five -fight chaos streak as well.

[1472] Like, you know what I mean?

[1473] And it's against tougher opponents than Ngano's knocked out.

[1474] Yeah.

[1475] Well, the sport is so exciting right now, man. There's so much talent.

[1476] Who's your favorite fighter right now?

[1477] So much going on.

[1478] Tyron Woodley.

[1479] It wouldn't happen to be because I'm here.

[1480] I don't have a favorite fighter.

[1481] Max Holloway is smashing right now.

[1482] I love Max Holloway.

[1483] I like his style, too, because his style is he overwhelms you.

[1484] He doesn't, he's not knocking anybody out with one shot.

[1485] He's just constantly overwhelming you with conditioning and intelligence and timing and distance.

[1486] And he could do everything.

[1487] He could strike.

[1488] He could take you to the ground.

[1489] He's got a great defense.

[1490] His submissions are outstanding.

[1491] And I like that fight with him and Frankie Edgar.

[1492] That's an interesting fight.

[1493] You know, I was just talking about this other day, but Frank, um, Frank.

[1494] Frankie Edgar has fought similar, you know, Cupswanson or Yaira Rodriguez, but Max hasn't really fought anybody like Frankie before.

[1495] Somebody that's sharp and compact that knows how to get close quick, knows how to get out quick, he'll take you down.

[1496] Frankie don't give a hell.

[1497] He was taking out, who was that, Charlie Oliveira.

[1498] He didn't give a hell how great he was on the ground.

[1499] He was in his guard punching, and I think that can present some problems.

[1500] Absolutely.

[1501] It's a good fight.

[1502] That's a really good fight.

[1503] Yeah, that's the March 3rd fight.

[1504] Max is a big, big favorite in that fight, which I thought was interesting.

[1505] He's fucking tall, too.

[1506] He looks like he's in my weight.

[1507] Yeah, he's tall, confident.

[1508] And in the Aldo fight, especially the second fight, man, you see that confidence just oozing out of him.

[1509] He's the champ.

[1510] He's a beast.

[1511] He's a beast.

[1512] Yeah.

[1513] I think 55 is an amazing weight class right now.

[1514] We argue on Fox that they try to get under my skin and say, Lightweight is the best division.

[1515] I said, don't play with me. Walter is the best division.

[1516] Well, it's your division.

[1517] After Habib, Habib was a beast.

[1518] I haven't watched me any of his fights.

[1519] I watched them, I'll say, I need to go back to my mad.

[1520] He fights like that every time?

[1521] Yeah, he's a monster.

[1522] You see the Michael Johnson fight?

[1523] He's telling Michael to give up.

[1524] Give up.

[1525] I must be jump.

[1526] Give up, smashing him.

[1527] His wrestling and his ground and pound is just so ferocious.

[1528] It's just on such another level.

[1529] And when he gets a hold of guys, he's getting a hold of guys that are really good.

[1530] and just ragdolling them.

[1531] Like what he did to RDA?

[1532] Did you ever see that fight?

[1533] Yeah.

[1534] So I haven't seen those fights.

[1535] I got to go back and look.

[1536] Rag dolled RDA.

[1537] He just beats the shit out of people.

[1538] Gets you to the ground.

[1539] I was a big fan after now.

[1540] I'm like, man. He's something special.

[1541] He's something special.

[1542] And the fact that he did that to Barbosa, he wants to move up to 72.

[1543] Shit, no, he don't.

[1544] Hey.

[1545] Medabal milk, shit out, send my man, Habib, out of the pack.

[1546] Nutritionist, anybody out there.

[1547] I'm picking up the tap.

[1548] Stay your cycle ass down there at 55.

[1549] I'm not trying to see no Khabib right now.

[1550] Yeah.

[1551] He's making 55 easy now, though, so who knows?

[1552] I think what I believe is going to happen is I think Connor's going to vacate.

[1553] I think they're going to strip him because Connor has got $100 million in the bank.

[1554] And I think he's having fun and talking shit and he's going to keep training.

[1555] And he's going to make a big fight in the future.

[1556] But I think Khabi versus Tony is the big fight.

[1557] And fuck, they might even do that one in Russia.

[1558] They do that one.

[1559] They're talking about doing a big fight in Russia.

[1560] I heard that.

[1561] Yeah, if that happens, whoa.

[1562] That's a good fight.

[1563] I mean, everybody's been waiting to see that fight.

[1564] Fuck, yeah, that's a good fight.

[1565] And it's like Tony Ferguson, very unorthodox.

[1566] How many wins he's got like 9 and 10 in a row?

[1567] Yeah, he has the most ever in the lightweight division.

[1568] And I think it's at 10.

[1569] I think when he beat Kevin, it was at 10.

[1570] Who do you lose to?

[1571] Michael Johnson?

[1572] He lost to.

[1573] Boy, you got to go way back.

[1574] He lost him a long time.

[1575] Maybe it was Michael.

[1576] Was Michael?

[1577] Yeah.

[1578] I mean, Tony's so unorthodox and awkward.

[1579] He had a close one against Eve, too.

[1580] I'll corner Eve for that fight.

[1581] He was a close one against Eve.

[1582] But, man, yeah.

[1583] He just, nobody has told Tony that what he's doing is not.

[1584] Who's Jamie Tony?

[1585] He lost to Jamie Tony earlier in his career.

[1586] What is that from?

[1587] National Fight Alliance.

[1588] Interesting.

[1589] At the Hyatt Regency.

[1590] Oh, Karen Darbidian.

[1591] That guy's a very good fucking submission artist.

[1592] Interesting.

[1593] Yeah.

[1594] Well, he didn't let 9 -10 motherfuckers have it since then.

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] Punch, choke, choke, choke, choke.

[1597] Yeah.

[1598] And running over guys, too, the Edson Barboza fight was fucking fantastic.

[1599] That was a fantastic.

[1600] He was losing that fight, too.

[1601] I remember that.

[1602] That's the danger about Tony.

[1603] It don't really matter if he's losing the fight in the first or second round.

[1604] He keeps it together.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] And the Dosangos fight was amazing, too.

[1607] Beat the shit out of Dosangos.

[1608] That's it.

[1609] I mean, he's a bad man, Tony Ferguson.

[1610] You cannot sleep on Tony Ferguson.

[1611] That fight is amazing.

[1612] I used to be like, man, this dude, striking don't look like is something that's just frightening you that much.

[1613] But when it's coming so often and so weird angles, and then he's going for shots, and he does the exact opposite of what you think you should do in grappling, and then he's in the position.

[1614] And then we get there.

[1615] Now he's got like five or six moves from that position.

[1616] So he's like swishing in here and there and there.

[1617] Before you know, your ass choked out.

[1618] Yeah, he's something special.

[1619] He's a real deal.

[1620] That's an amazing fight.

[1621] I love that fight.

[1622] You know what I'm really interested in right now?

[1623] I'm really interested in is T .J. Dillishaw versus Mighty Mouse.

[1624] There's so much to talk about that.

[1625] I don't know.

[1626] I want to see it, though.

[1627] Somebody's got a challenge Mighty Mouse.

[1628] I would have been more interesting to see Garbrand in Mighty Mouse.

[1629] Really?

[1630] Yeah.

[1631] I don't know why it just looked on paper like a more interesting fight.

[1632] dumb man i disagree i think it's more interesting to see t j because t j's got more weapons like t j does more stuff he throws more kicks he's got more i mean you saw him in the garband fight that's where he heard him he heard him with the head kick i just i just like cody's boxing in the pocket and it's counters yeah anybody that's going to deal with dj speak got to make dj miss and not very many people have been able to do so i think they both are going to be tough fights i mean it's going to be tough for t jay it's going to be tough for dillishaw mighty mouse he just has very few holes he's like pouring water or this mover can just keep him on distance and he never stopped i'm like damn dude yeah i got watched him drill before his fight fucking did the same thing in the drill he just did it right in the fight yeah like dang no he's special he's special his ability and his ability to not get hit yeah he's he's doing something that's on a completely different level so like he was trying to take down dots remember and dots in one of them taking down and he said forget it i'm gonna grab the leg and i'm gonna keep punching him in the face or elbow him in head and then finally he got the take down he's just if he thinks it's smart he's gonna keep going excuse me he's not gonna get discouraged you're gonna keep going for it if he was going against um who's a kid Tim Elliott that had him in those deep chokes I'm like I was freaking out because you know DJ my homie I'm like man is he about to lose to this kid and he said no I'm good he had me in there deep like he just don't get rattled very hot no he doesn't get rattled he's got the whole package he's got mental toughness he's intelligent his skill levels on another level I mean his skill levels off the charts he does everything amazing He's a master of the stream basics.

[1633] Yeah.

[1634] You know, like that's lift up, return arm bar, maybe one of the flashiest things you've ever seen him do.

[1635] Right.

[1636] But in general, if you think about it, he comes forward and he does great fast basics from this side.

[1637] He so stands, great fast basics from that side, very traditional clenched, super active with it, hard to take down, gets up the regular way.

[1638] If he mounts you, he believes, like, if a coach teaches you an arm bar from the mount, in his mind, it's 100 % chance it's going to work.

[1639] It's no way it can't work.

[1640] So when you see him go do a regular arm bar on somebody and cement him, like, you know, a horaguchi or Jamaraga, like, damn, how are you hitting him with that arm bar?

[1641] Because he just don't believe in the fact that doubt in his techniques.

[1642] Yeah.

[1643] No, it's an amazing time, amazing time for the sport.

[1644] And, I mean, it's amazing time.

[1645] It's just an amazing time for martial arts, period.

[1646] I mean, I think martial arts right now is at the highest level that it's ever been in the history of people fighting each other.

[1647] You know, it's an exciting moment as well because now you've got so many different hopefuls.

[1648] You know, we got six or seven people that they just need one more.

[1649] And I don't just need one more.

[1650] This person just need one more.

[1651] Then they jump off and, you know, to become superstar.

[1652] Because we need more stars right now.

[1653] We got Connor, but when is Connor going to come back?

[1654] I think Rhonda might do the WWE thing.

[1655] John...

[1656] She's done.

[1657] I'm pretty sure.

[1658] I think the WWE thing is a good look.

[1659] know she was at like dinner with triple -h and um in our agent um slater so i hope she does that man because people can say whatever they want but ronda rousey was she was that girl at one point she was and she put us all on the map in a different way and had the old lady the 75 year old lady at the airport talking about m -m -a so yep she she's a gee she paid our due and uh i think if she want to gracefully walk into a different realm wwee film i think she just produced some type of series that, you know, we should support her on that.

[1660] I agree.

[1661] I agree 100%.

[1662] I really don't want to see her fight again.

[1663] If she wants to fight again, but what I would want to see is her move to a camp that could address the entire game of MMA in a much more comprehensive way.

[1664] And I tell her that she's great at something if she's really not.

[1665] I would want her to go to, like, Matt Hume or someone like that.

[1666] But who would she actually fight?

[1667] She's too big of a name to fight somebody.

[1668] who she fight Fight someone who's coming up Fight someone Get a tune up fight Get an actual I mean But I don't even think She wants to fight I mean I think At a certain point in time You have enough money in the bank You have enough notoriety And fame And she's got a lot of aspirations Outside of the sport She's married now Who knows She might want to start a family You're right You're right Listen all I want to see Is George St. Pierre versus Tyron Woodley In July July 1st weekend UFC Make it happen Come on A big prediction for me is that I fight George and he pair my first fight back.

[1669] I'd like to see it.

[1670] George, my shoulder soar.

[1671] It hurts, right?

[1672] You can't barely move.

[1673] George, I can't even punch.

[1674] How do you sleep?

[1675] I can't punch.

[1676] It's hard to sleep.

[1677] I mean, George, if you want to fight me, brother, this is the time, man. It's the time, George.

[1678] It's going to get me, George, right now.

[1679] Make that money, George.

[1680] Make that money.

[1681] And what a fight that would be in terms of, like, just historical significance and how big it would be.

[1682] I mean, he's coming off of the win of his career, coming back, four years.

[1683] off, beats Bisping, chokes him unconscious for the title, vacates the title, steps right in there, fights you at 170.

[1684] He's a G. It would be fun.

[1685] And he would exit the sport, nobody would give him that much stuff from losing to me. Tyron Woodley.

[1686] Thanks for doing this, man. I appreciate it.

[1687] I'm glad we finally got in here.

[1688] I know.

[1689] I finally did it.

[1690] Tell people, what's your Twitter handle?

[1691] Check me out on Twitter.

[1692] T -W -O -O -O -D -L -E -Y.

[1693] Same thing on Instagram.

[1694] And, yeah, we are here.

[1695] The champ, ladies and gentlemen.

[1696] Thank you All right