#1666 - Duncan Trussell

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[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Welcome to episode 1 ,666.

[4] There can be only one.

[5] Why?

[6] I don't know.

[7] It's the rules.

[8] That's the terrible rule.

[9] It's like the worst rule.

[10] But for episode 1 ,66666, there was.

[11] was only one option that was you oh thank you i'm honored by that thank you so much joe it's so nice to be here dude so nice to see you it's you're such a good friend that every time i see you i'm transported like there's no time lost yeah you know i'm saying yep when you're so tight with someone that when you see them again you're like transported yeah like you're immediately back to where i last saw you again there's no like hey god haven't seen you in a while you how are you What's going on?

[12] It's like, ah!

[13] Yeah, that's real friendship.

[14] I mean, that's it.

[15] If it's not that, what is it?

[16] I'm super concerned about this wood catching fire.

[17] We're surrounded by candles, and I believe this wig is flammable.

[18] Yeah, that wig is from China.

[19] I don't know what it is.

[20] That could be some bizarre synthetic.

[21] That could be anything.

[22] This is the hair of a billionaire who said the wrong shit.

[23] No shit, and they just...

[24] They probably made him grow his hair first.

[25] He probably kept him in a tunnel.

[26] somewhere and made him eat rats whatever rats he could catch yeah and just gave him hair vitamins and then when his hair was long enough to make a wig out of it they let him go that's a lot of work to get some hair yeah now all he does is coach john sina he his job is to coach john sina and what to say dude that was weird that was really weird that was one of the weirdest things i'm not a fan of or not a fan of john sina no john sina opinion right but that was just an odd.

[27] It was scary.

[28] Because they want, it's a lot, I guess it's just a lot of money, man. The Chinese dollar.

[29] Here's how much money it is.

[30] Ready for this?

[31] That movie made $160 million to opening weekend.

[32] I believe $134 million of it was from China.

[33] Oh, God.

[34] Oh, God.

[35] We got to get in.

[36] Let's do our apologies to China.

[37] I need to learn Mandarin and start talking shit.

[38] Just say, yeah.

[39] Start doing my acting Mandarin.

[40] It sounds cool It sounds great Well amazing The most impressive thing about that video Was not just that China got John Cena to cuck But also that John Sina speaks perfect Mandarin Yeah How long did that take?

[41] It's a mystery I don't know man It was just strange That's like That's some really Really The most It's again like you know We're watching that fight Oh my God When we're watching that fight last night And you're just watching and you're trying to make sense of the new reality you know because it's like you got to accept it but he's wearing a Pikachu medallion fighting like the best boxer alive today you know and but you have you have to watch it from the perspective of like well this is what is happening now because otherwise you get this weird spinning vertigo like what the fuck universe am I and same thing when you're like watching John Cena do some weird apology and Mandarin it's this sense of like what right this is a malfunction this is a breakdown right I don't get this when in the history of the United States like imagine like some old video of like John Wayne doing some apology in another language it's just weird it is weird but it's a warning to everybody right the people that don't they're not taking this sort of cultural shift seriously when you see see an enormous alpha male in John Sina.

[42] John Sina's arms are so big.

[43] It looks like they're supposed to be a foot longer, but someone sawed them off and put like a fist here.

[44] It's like if my form went down only to here and then the fist was there, his wrists are enormous.

[45] He's like, he's such a gorilla, right?

[46] And to see that guy saying it in Chinese and you read what he actually said, it's like, it's hard to say, right?

[47] Because one thing, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, I was like, what did he actually say?

[48] Because I don't speak Mandarin.

[49] Right.

[50] I wish someone maybe that spoke Mandarin could translate it and tell me whether or not that was accurate.

[51] Right.

[52] I'm assuming it was accurate because I haven't heard anything.

[53] You know, people who speak Mandarin must have gotten a hold of it since that.

[54] Sure.

[55] But it was just weird to see an apology for just saying that a country exists.

[56] That's essentially what it was, right?

[57] He said Taiwan is a country.

[58] And he said that, I mean, that's all he said wrong.

[59] Like, Taiwan was going to be the first country to see the movie.

[60] Yeah, that's right.

[61] You can't say that, which is bullshit.

[62] You know, also that thing that just popped up, they said it was a mistake.

[63] But Bing apparently made it so that if you image search, the Tiananmen Square guy holding the suitcase didn't show up on the day on the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

[64] And so everybody's like, what the fuck just like, are you, are you like owned by China now?

[65] You know, that's, that's a, that is a really strange form of invasion, isn't it?

[66] It's like, it's not the normal kind of invasion where we're thinking about invasions from old historical versions of invasions, but that's not how it works anymore.

[67] Now it's, you know, if you get your technology into another country, if you become the supplier of, like, a lot of their pharmaceuticals.

[68] If you, all these things, then you don't really need to invade.

[69] You know what I mean?

[70] If you've bought up a lot of their property.

[71] You don't need to fly in with jets.

[72] You don't need, because you're buying it.

[73] And you're like, that's like, to me, that's the, that's where countries like the United States, what makes them so amazing is also this huge, terrible weakness, which is they have a permeable membrane, shicking it in there easier than other places, you know?

[74] and like especially now with the ability to like just have a thousand AI bots running various Twitter accounts expressing kind of similar sentiment regarding whatever the fuck it is you want to promote yeah that's crazy you could just warp people's minds any way you want I mean you know we I have we have no I'm not just talking state agencies either I mean just cobbles of like anarchists You feel like just fucking around with the zeit guys could theoretically just put out a shit ton of bots or phone banks of people, putting weird ideas into the culture that, you know, you hear it enough times you start thinking, like, I guess that is true.

[75] Right.

[76] That must be true.

[77] I don't know if you've ever had the thing happen where you're just scanning Twitter and you see some completely wrong, like deeply wrong fact in physics, but you didn't, you were just shitting or something.

[78] so you're like well that's interesting and then later you repeat it without looking it up to see if it's true and then you go back to see it this happened i mean you realize like three tweets above that tweet it's like the guy's like i'm the reincarnation of marilyn monroe you know what i mean you're like oh fuck i repeated some fact i heard from a guy who thinks he's the reincarnation of maryl monroe literally at dinner yeah you know that's what i'm saying is it leaks out And so it's just trippy, you know, it's just weird to imagine that, like, what country are?

[79] Are we even the United States anymore?

[80] Is it?

[81] It's confusing, right?

[82] Because we're really governed by money.

[83] When we have no money, we have nothing, right?

[84] Yeah.

[85] If we run out of money, all bets are off.

[86] Right.

[87] Because we don't have money to fix the roads.

[88] We don't have money to keep the grid up.

[89] Right.

[90] So we have to have a certain amount of money.

[91] And one of the things that became abundantly clear during COVID was that we rely on a lot of other countries to make our stuff.

[92] Yeah.

[93] You know, like when they were running short of certain supplies and medicine even, they're like, hey, how can we don't make this?

[94] We don't self -sustain.

[95] And it made a lot of people think that, oh, I need to get a garden.

[96] Yeah.

[97] You know, I need to have food in my house.

[98] I need to be self -sustaining.

[99] The same way a country needs to be like that, but much like the country, as soon as we start getting the gears of industry back rolling and moving, we forget.

[100] Oh, the grid's back on?

[101] I forget.

[102] Like out here, the grid went out for a whole fucking week, man. Nobody had power.

[103] It was wild.

[104] The streets were covered in ice.

[105] It was wild.

[106] And everybody was like, dude, that's it.

[107] I'm going to start storing food and I'm going to start.

[108] But then as soon as the power goes on, you've got to go back to work.

[109] Most people forget.

[110] And I remember when they banned Huawei, when you couldn't buy Huawei phones.

[111] Oh, yeah.

[112] And this is why, because I'm a phone dork.

[113] okay i'm really into phones like i spent a lot of time on youtube watching like mkbhd and watching lewis from unboxed therapy and watching flossy carter i really enjoy watching the technology of phones increase in this like really crazy way i'm fascinated by it i don't mean i don't necessarily understand why because when i look at like the applicable uses in my life like how much do i use my phone like all the capabilities of very little I text my friends yeah I'm like watch a YouTube video take a picture or something I don't do a lot of shit with my phone but I'm fascinated with these goddamn things I'm fascinated by where they go and I was gonna buy a Huawei I think it was like a mate 10 pro Porsche edition I was trying to figure out how to get it to work in America because they work on like you got to make sure that one works on the right CDMA because they have like different systems overseas and other countries.

[114] So I was trying to find out how to buy this, and Porsche design was making, like, the dopest phone.

[115] And I was interested in doing this, and then all of a sudden I started reading on these forums.

[116] They're going to take it down.

[117] They're going to not allow Huawei to sell anything in America because we caught them doing stuff with, like, routers or some shit.

[118] I don't remember the whole story.

[119] But I remember thinking, whoa, when have you ever heard that before?

[120] where they said, hey, a country can't, or a company, rather, can't sell shit in our country because we think you're compromised by the government of your country and you're sneaking in.

[121] Not just like, oh, they hacked into a router and now they got all the Facebook data.

[122] Not like that, no, no, no, no, the whole company can't sell shit here anymore.

[123] Yeah.

[124] You can't sell their phones anymore.

[125] They were about to go, I think they're going to be on AT &T and all these other, like, big providers.

[126] it's like what happened I can't remember which president it was but remember that president like I think it was the Russians these cute kids came in and presented the president with some kind of like gift from Russia I think he hung it up on a wall or something and it had a bug in it it was just a bug in the Oval Office that they made but that's similar to Wu Wei but for everyone it's the same thing Which is like you get a little, I don't know, spec of whatever the fuck this weird technology is mixed in with some mass produced stuff that goes all over the planet.

[127] And now you can listen not just to like government officials, but to what people are saying.

[128] And then get that data, gather it up and then feed it to an AI.

[129] So you can replicate the personality of the country.

[130] So that thing, you know, like remember the old day.

[131] days like you'd get a Twitter bot but their English was kind of fucked up like there was something about it that was like or you know you get a call from one of those uh one of those like so fake social security people they say they're going to delete your social security number i don't know if you've gotten any of these or not yeah but like you know they've got an accent they can't they don't obviously the way they're talking you're not from the fucking social security office not because you can't have an accent working don quench strassels calling you from the social security Hoffa's.

[132] Yeah.

[133] You are in non -compliance.

[134] Yeah.

[135] That is the, I love those calls, by the way, especially when I'm recording an intro for the podcast.

[136] Do you play them?

[137] Insta record.

[138] You know what?

[139] I have, because generally I'm late on the record or I just don't, because you know you can trigger them real quick.

[140] Like they get so mad and then they'll always say something about fucking your mom or like, you know, your mom's got the biggest dick and then they'll hang up on you.

[141] but my friend Pemberton got one real like he's got a call up where he got one really really good it's just fun to do but anyway man my point is you fiefen all this fucking data feed it to an AI run that through some kind of voice simulator so it sounds like a person and now you've got like a legion of fake Americans interacting right and that's good then you could just control the culture and that's 100 % happening yeah well that's I mean, yeah.

[142] That's 100 % happening right now.

[143] I mean, not just from China, from eating.

[144] Russia.

[145] Russia, but not just from Russia, from corporations.

[146] People have done that with those guys and then called another one and had them talk to each other.

[147] And they can't figure out for about an hour what the fuck's happening.

[148] Oh, that's so great.

[149] Totally makes sense.

[150] I mean, what they're doing with the Internet Research Agency, or at least what they were doing prior to 2016, if we assume that they don't get any more sophisticated over the last four or five years, We'd be so silly.

[151] Like, they, this lady, Renee DeResta, I heard her on Sam Harris's podcast, and I got her on mine, and she was explaining to me all the research that she did, looking into how the Russians were making these Facebook pages, not the Russians, just one agency, I should say, Internet research agency.

[152] They were making these memes, and she's like hundreds of thousands of memes, and a lot of them were really funny.

[153] She's like, I was really laughing while I was doing this, and she said she got to study how they created these pages, and that's where it was really interesting.

[154] like they would create these pages and they would use them for a while like maybe a Simpsons fan page or something like that and they would get a certain amount of following and then they would switch it over to Occupy Wall Street or they would switch it over to Black Lives Matter or they would switch it over to LBGTQ page and they would just get a bunch of followers and then just use those followers use a ton of hashtags and connect people through hashtags and they would just try to figure out what sticks and they would have meme pages and they would organize arguments.

[155] So, like, they organize a Texas separatist meeting across the street from an Islamic, some Islamic pride rally.

[156] So they got the two of them on catty corner streets.

[157] So they're yelling at each other.

[158] Like, they're like, you ever see that video of the cat and he's on a roof and a crow gets behind him, starts fucking with him?

[159] And then he gets the cat to fight with another cat.

[160] Oh, yeah, yes.

[161] Have you seen that video?

[162] Yes, I've seen it's amazing.

[163] It's an amazing video This crow is so slick He's like fucks with the cat Like hey man Hey the fuck's going on with you bro And the cat's like And then there's another cat It's on another another rooftop Just like five feet away And that cat he looks at that cat He's like man fuck you And then why are you staring at me man Why this crow's fucking with me And the crow goes and fucks with him And the crow literally goes back and forth Fucking with cat to cat And then they jump on each other And in a tumble of bodies Fall off the roof Yeah.

[164] It's amazing.

[165] That's what the internet research agency is.

[166] Yeah, and not just the internet research agency.

[167] I mean, this is the thing.

[168] It's like, this is what I've realized I've been doing is anytime any kind of crazy shit happens, I assign responsibility to some unknown state agency because we think there's no way any normal group of people could do that.

[169] It's got to be a country with a shit ton of money.

[170] Right.

[171] No, group of people could do that.

[172] But I'm realizing that is just not the case anymore.

[173] because the technology that everyone has access to is sufficient to at least like, in a really degraded way, imitate what, you know, probably what state agencies are doing, meaning that now it's pure anarchy.

[174] Because you assume those, like, whatever the fuck they are, the UAPs, we are all like, oh, we know it's not a state agency or if it is, it's like deeply secret.

[175] It's like, motherfucker, you think it's a state agency?

[176] What if it's just a group of geniuses who, like, secretly crack their own thing in their basement?

[177] And they're, like, just fucking around with this thing.

[178] You know, that's the, you know, the, the obvious thing coming out now that it, the, um, everyone suspects that the virus came from the virology lab in the place it was at the epicenter where they used to study the exact virus.

[179] Everybody, not everybody when that, at first they were like, oh, fuck, it definitely came.

[180] from there and then they're like well actually there's the wet markets there but anyway the point is like what if what if you're like an hyper eco environmentalist group and you know that if you engineer this thing that's got like an extra two weeks or whatever we're asymptomatic like you engineer a thing not to kill people but to fuck up economies right and then you go to the place where there's an institute of virology and you release it there and of course people are going to be like well it must have come from there right right that's a good point we just assume it's from like this place or that place right you know what I mean it could be from anywhere well three people that worked in that lab got sick but we're assuming they got sick from that lab like what a great cover if you like sprayed them at a restaurant yeah get them to go in there right get everyone sick it seems like it comes from there dude dunk and trussle thinking on a 4D chest scale yeah yeah man I like it well it's scary though I mean this is I Again, to me, that's the part that's like a little daunting and we, you know, is that this shit, you know, it's not like it's going to get better.

[181] It might get better.

[182] I think if any way, any way that's going to make it better is technology.

[183] I think technology is going to allow ultimate transparency where you could read minds.

[184] Once you could see, clearly see people's intent, it's going to chase all the demons into the shadows, like roaches with the lights on.

[185] you're going to see you kind of tell but you kind of allow some of it to exist like when you see like Schumer and Pelosi kneeling with African garb on and you're like what are you doing what is happening here like what is this weirdness right when you see someone doing weird shit you kind of okay politicians for example the best like they'll say a speech but it's off doesn't sound like anything you would say they're doing weird things with their hands yeah you like accept a certain amount of insincerity but you don't like it well no you know it's like you're talking about like the uncanny valley that thing where when you're looking at cg i and it's not quite right and it's fucking creepy yeah right it's that thing where it's like and this seems to be happening across the fucking board you know where you're seeing like what does appear to be a kind of clumsy alien attempt to express solidarity with something, but it doesn't quite understand humans.

[186] Like, it's not like it doesn't just understand whatever the fuck.

[187] It's like trying to express connectivity to.

[188] It's like it doesn't understand the way normal people interact.

[189] I mean, and I think, like, if you get a political class and you put them in a city where they can get on underground subways that are just for them ride around in these little fucking trams.

[190] through D .C. to avoid the traffic.

[191] They live in like the, they live in like, they live in this weird, weird bubble.

[192] And over time, you're going to get weird.

[193] Like you're going to get weirder and weirder.

[194] You're not even, are you really interacting with your constituents?

[195] Probably a little, but also you're getting like, you've got advisor upon advisor upon advisor articulating some expression of what's supposed to be the will of the people, but that's been warped a little bit.

[196] by the lobbyists, you know what I mean?

[197] And also you are thinking like, fuck, I want to get reelected.

[198] I need millions of dollars to get reelected.

[199] And that's not going to come from anybody, but certain corporations.

[200] But then those corporations have like kind of loose ties with countries that are like our adversaries, as they say, meaning that all of a sudden it's not just like some lobbyists who wants there to be a lack of regulations on oil pipelines, getting the, ear of some politician, but it's a corporation that's a little bit influenced by a completely different country, getting the ear of the politician.

[201] Yeah.

[202] Now it's like, you know what I mean?

[203] It's like suddenly we're getting like this thing that's some kind of like hybrid.

[204] It's not a country anymore.

[205] It's becoming more of a, I don't know, like just some hyper -connected thing that is like probably not quite what you would normally call, traditionally call a country.

[206] Well, a country didn't exist in the form of the United States until 1776 and then it's evolved from there.

[207] As money starts getting weirder and weirder, because money's all digital now, right?

[208] It's all flying around and then what it becomes Bitcoin money.

[209] Then it's really digital.

[210] We get into cryptos.

[211] If crypto becomes the general currency of the world.

[212] Yeah.

[213] Right?

[214] And then what's to stop that from happening with language?

[215] So we have a universal currency that it doesn't have some backing behind it it's just this weird thing where people just agree that a Bitcoin is worth $52 today or whatever the fuck it is you know it's a weird one right yeah yeah how do you how do you stop that from happening with language like what if people come along with a language it's easy to learn you can learn it you know you can learn it's fun there's games you can play you can learn it while you're playing a game and you get points.

[216] Like, what if there's a call of duty language?

[217] Like, no bullshit.

[218] You know, like, how different video games are thought about creating their own coins?

[219] Different people have different coins, right?

[220] They're making their own coins.

[221] What's to stop you from making a language that goes along with a video game, and as you get really good at the video game, you learn the language?

[222] Also, yeah, if, like, Musk's neural mesh works out and so we can expedite the ability to learn new languages, so it's not just like new languages are being formed, but then also you can just, digest them like instantaneously and then so now you get this like weird hyper evolving language that is probably going to be the language they the settlers speak on the moon colonies and the Mars colonies and the asteroid miners like what are you you're not going to be able to speak you're going to have to have some pigeon by the way I watched the Stanford professor that you had on he like you know I'm talking about you have so many people on what you had a you had a Stanford professor who's like a cultural biologist or so.

[223] He's showing like how gene expression affects like the just basically a lot of humanity.

[224] I wish I could remember his name.

[225] It's a wonderful lecture.

[226] If you look it up on YouTube, how long ago was this?

[227] I don't know, man. I just Googled him and it showed up.

[228] Huberman?

[229] I think it might be Huberman.

[230] I don't know.

[231] Andrew Huberman?

[232] Whoever it was is very.

[233] He's a genius.

[234] Did he look like a handsome soldier?

[235] No. No. Huberman is a, Huberman looks like a scientist in a marvel.

[236] comics movie like that's not a fucking scientist but he's like a legitimate scientist like an absolutely super well -respected uh i believe is a what is this what is huberman's discipline officially neuroscientist this guy looks like an acid chemist oh oh who the fuck would that be look up it's stanford it's like he did a how long ago i'm this late at night i'm just watching Stanford lectures.

[237] I don't know.

[238] I'm not looking at times.

[239] Sapolsky?

[240] Robert Sapolsky?

[241] Topolsky.

[242] Oh, he's one of my favorites.

[243] Yeah, Sapolsky.

[244] Oh, my God.

[245] He's the guy that got me to think, first of all, the hardest about parasites.

[246] Because his big thing was toxoplasmosis.

[247] That's what I found out about him.

[248] He was teaching a lecture on toxoplasmosis.

[249] And I was like, oh, my God, do I have that?

[250] Because, like, I've had cats.

[251] And I had wild cats at one point in time.

[252] And it's really common in cats and really common in cat people.

[253] You know, it's really common in poor parts of the world where they have a lot of feral cats.

[254] Some places are like France at one point in time, but 50 % of the people were infected by this brain parasite that comes from cats.

[255] And you know the whole story behind the parasite?

[256] Oh, yeah.

[257] But I loved it.

[258] For some reason, it never gets old.

[259] It never gets old.

[260] It's a fascinating parasite.

[261] And this is what it does.

[262] It gets into rats, and it hijacks the reward systems.

[263] It hijacks the way the rat's brain works, and it makes the rat sexually attracted to the smell of cat urine.

[264] So their balls swell up, their dick gets hard.

[265] It's crazy.

[266] How embarrassing.

[267] How embarrassing.

[268] And it also simultaneously removes their fear.

[269] It's so strange, and it's a strategy for this parasite.

[270] I'm so sorry, because I'll forget it.

[271] Imagine if there was like a grizzly bear parasite that made your dick going around bears.

[272] It made you run to a cave into the den.

[273] Oh my God, that would be hilarious.

[274] That would be fucking hilarious.

[275] They're like Alaskan Park Rangers.

[276] It's like a new thing they got to deal with.

[277] There's these fucking assholes out there with like rock hard dicks.

[278] Do skin.

[279] Why is your dick hard soldier?

[280] I gotta get to the bears That's hilarious But that's what it is man And the proportions are pretty similar too Like rat to cat Versus person to bear Pretty fucking similar Crazy to think Somehow That happened in this dimension That that is how long we've been here That's how It's just crazy to think That's because that just seems If we're designing the simulator That's a funny thing we do is a joke.

[281] Like, let's make it so that, like, there's a parasite that makes cats or rats horny when they smell cat piss.

[282] It's so crazy.

[283] And it does more than that, man. It gets them horny.

[284] It gets them to not be afraid.

[285] And then it reproduces.

[286] Then they start a podcast.

[287] I'm sorry.

[288] No, it reproduces inside the cat's gut.

[289] That's the only way this parasite reproduces.

[290] So it tricks the rat into getting close to the cat.

[291] There's some sort of weird thing that's going on.

[292] Like, that is a complex deception.

[293] That's not a regular deception.

[294] You're doing all, you're like, no, I didn't work this way.

[295] No, it didn't work that way.

[296] How many thousands of times has a rat have to get eaten by the cat or killed by the cat before they figure out how to do it right, where it's real consistent?

[297] Yeah.

[298] I mean, the mutate.

[299] I guess it's just mutations.

[300] I don't know about that, man. It's definitely mutations.

[301] But I almost feel like there's a missing element to what makes things work that we're not.

[302] tuned into you know like we have like these mechanisms like and this is no disrespect to the people that study this and obviously I'm a moron but all these people that are looking at this and looking at these mechanisms I agree with all their work I'm not saying that I disagree that these mechanisms are in place and then they can show a clear cause and effect to like certain genes and why they express themselves and certain uh evolutionary traits that are beneficial to whatever animal but I think there's also some other weird shit going on man I think there's there's multiple things going on and I I think it's almost like there's information out there in experience.

[303] And that information, when animals get jacked or when things go wrong, that information still manages to transfer out into the tribe, you know, in some sort of nonverbal communication.

[304] So I think it does that to like the parasites.

[305] I think it works that way with people.

[306] I think it works that way with a lot of stuff.

[307] I think ideas and like tones, the way people see things, generally spreads almost like a virus as much as it spreads like information.

[308] That's right.

[309] There's a weird thing to it.

[310] And I think if you look at parasites and how the fuck a parasite figured out a rewire, like, hey, when the rats eat us, we can't, we don't fucking breed, okay?

[311] Because we can't reproduce inside the rat's gut.

[312] We need to get in that fucking cat.

[313] How do we do this?

[314] So they figured out how to get in the cat.

[315] And the way to get in the cat is to trick the rat.

[316] And then it gets to people because people love cats, right?

[317] So they tell pregnant women never touch kitty litter.

[318] Because that stuff can get in you.

[319] And if it gets in you, it fucks with the child's development.

[320] It's related to decrease in IQ, increase in impulsive behavior, increase in Sapolsky was saying that there was an...

[321] I don't know about the IQ thing.

[322] Google that.

[323] I might be wrong about that.

[324] If toxoplasmosis and children leads to a decrease in IQ, the decrease in IQ thing, the decrease in IQ thing, It's like, what the fuck causes IQ, right?

[325] You know, like, what are all the little pieces that are moving in place there?

[326] But anyway, Sapolsky said that motorcycle victims when he was doing his residency, they would come in and there was a disproportionate amount of motorcycle accidents, rather, that have toxoplasmosis in their system when they would test him.

[327] So the doctor that he was working with when he was doing his residency told him, let's test him for toxo.

[328] And he's like, there's a disproportionate number because it makes him reckless.

[329] It makes people reckless.

[330] Fuck.

[331] Also, here's another thing that's wild.

[332] Like when you look at toxoplasmosis infections, there's some sort of a connection to successful soccer teams.

[333] What?

[334] Yeah, countries with successful soccer teams generally have a higher rate of toxo.

[335] But it doesn't necessarily mean it's the toxo that's causing them to be successful.

[336] It could just be coincidental because those are the countries that are really obsessed with soccer because it doesn't require much money to enter like poor people can play it you just need like a ball of tape and you can kick that around right so like the idea is like there's a lot of games that come out of soccer that aren't soccer they start playing it and get really good at it I think the IQ thing is something similar it's overrepresented among people with only elementary education right it's just about who they looked at for them right can you scroll that up so I can see the arm is in the way up just up just go that way Oh, sorry.

[337] Analysis is a sample of 857 conscripts showed toxoplasmosa.

[338] Positive subjects were significantly overrepresented among people with only elementary education, had significantly lower verbal intelligence and significant lower factor of novelty seeking.

[339] Huh.

[340] Bomber.

[341] Well, you've got to think, again, you're dealing with poverty, right?

[342] you're dealing with third world a lot of third world environments where they have a high incidence of that shit but that is fucking fascinating that a bug figures out a way to get a rat horny and get him chasing a cat so it gets eaten because it wants to get in that cat's stomach that's wild man the implication it's this this is really creepy but it is when i'm like looking at like people with covid or afraid to get the vaccine or people are like put like you know that like we have this fucking thing it's probably a bio weapon man and we got this thing and people gathering together you know when in the when it was soaring just gathering together as sturges you know you have like I was thinking like fuck did they not just engineer a bioweapon but did they figure out a way to make it so that part one of the things it does is it makes people want to get really social and like go against the thing that would slow it down you know like is this some kind of fucking insane new version of toxoplasmosis that makes people i don't know just want to get it there's some people who just wanted to get it just to get it over just to get it just to get it over with just to get it over with but that's like for a virus jesus christ that's the best thing that can happen to you man right like with chicken it's pressure that's just pressure you know like some some people just can't handle the pressure of awaiting something over and over and over again the anxiety of when is it going to come right yeah i mean look it was it was it was I remember when we didn't even know what it was yeah that's when I'm like well I it's probably gonna just fucking kill me at some point I was having like you know we didn't know when it's like this could be a post apocalyptic movie in three months because this is a new thing so we're not positive everything that it does we don't know what the fuck it does it could make your feet explode you know what I mean it could do who knows like what all of a sudden a few months in people are having like seizures and the talks Toxoplasmosis stuff, I mean, I'm in a fucking robe and I'm wearing a wig.

[343] I'm obviously not.

[344] But you're in good company.

[345] I'm not okay.

[346] Clearly you're not listening to like some kind of like.

[347] Yeah, don't listen to him.

[348] He's got an illuminati ring on.

[349] This is not a fucking TED talk here.

[350] But I was thinking, you know, if toxic, if like over zillions of years, toxoplasmosis can make rats get horny when they smell cats.

[351] couldn't someone whip some shit up in the laboratory that makes people just I don't know like a certain kind of sneaker you know could it could a corporation whip up a virus that just you imagine if they did but didn't have any other side effects you tell me they wouldn't do it isn't that what advertising is they would do it isn't that what advertising is yeah you know yeah like especially to dullerts right someone who maybe have toxo and they're uh they're more susceptible to ads.

[352] Yeah.

[353] Imagine that.

[354] Imagine that's the way to get people to be more susceptible to ads.

[355] Let more rats with toxo out in the streets.

[356] Oh my God, man. Imagine if they're just spraying toxo down into the sewer pipes in New York City.

[357] Just trying to like get it out there.

[358] Let's go.

[359] Let's go.

[360] Let's go.

[361] Let's go.

[362] But you know, man, to get back to your idea of like shit, it feels like there is something that we haven't quite figured out yet when it comes to like gene expression and the way that it gets genes mutate and the way evolution happens.

[363] Similarly, with language and with data, we aren't at the place yet where we acknowledge that data is as much of a drug or a virus as anything else.

[364] Just, you know what I mean?

[365] But because you're eating it with your eyes doesn't make it any less like you're getting infected.

[366] So, you know what I mean?

[367] When you said that, holy fuck, that's what advertising is.

[368] I had to pause for a second.

[369] It really is, right?

[370] Yeah, especially if you...

[371] It's a mind virus.

[372] If data is alive and we, or is a form of life or kind of like, you know, they say a virus is not quite alive, not quite dead.

[373] It's somewhere in between.

[374] So are information packets, you know.

[375] And the effect that they have is so profound that, yeah, if, I mean, I wonder how laws would change if we start reframing what information is.

[376] as something of it's more of a living thing it's more of like it's more of a thing that like lives in the mind and jumps from one person to the next but it's actually kind of alive kind of not but it's sort of a living thing i think that of ideas all the time i think that ideas might be alien like a different life form here's the thought everything you see right everything from buildings the fucking power lines cars everything's that's man made came out of the mind it came out of the imagination and we just take it for granted that it's a thing like here's a table here's a skyscraper yeah yeah but where that come from it came out of the mind like an idea came into the mind and tricked the monkey into building it and the monkey says look me big building make right here look what i've done oh monkey so strong monkey so smart you know we think that we're so awesome because we figured out how to make that wawaway phone that spies on your neighbors right but what is that What is going on there?

[377] Well, we, oh, the Communist Party is trying to take over.

[378] Is it, or is it the most successful vehicle for getting ideas through?

[379] Is it the most successful vehicle for getting technology through?

[380] Ideas that create things, which are the most important ideas to things, not to humans.

[381] That's why we moan and we talk about materialism and how fucking shallow the world is.

[382] Because we recognize there's a disconnect between the things that are valuable to human.

[383] humans and the things that just make more things.

[384] They're valuable because they allow more things to be created.

[385] Well, then you go, well, what the fuck are these things?

[386] What are these things?

[387] And how they trick us into loving them so much?

[388] I'm talking about how I love watching phone videos.

[389] They don't change my fucking life.

[390] If I had an iPhone 6 and I just were good, let's stop right there.

[391] I probably wouldn't notice.

[392] You probably send me a message.

[393] I say hi back, we're cool.

[394] Call each other.

[395] Hey, what's up?

[396] You know, maybe my phone would look a little shittier for the FaceTime.

[397] But that's it.

[398] Other than that, I wouldn't notice anything.

[399] But we're all obsessed with these fucking things.

[400] And these things have weaseled their way into our lives.

[401] And then you get the commercials.

[402] And the commercials show the things.

[403] And it's usually a girl with long legs and pretty feet.

[404] Dude, those Apple commercials lately, I want to fuck the commercial.

[405] You know what I'm talking about the new Apple commercials?

[406] I haven't, but I can only imagine.

[407] Definitely, like, you know, like someone who used to work at MK Ultra, got a job of Apple.

[408] And I was like, look, why don't you try this thing that we did during Project Stargate and we'll make this thing?

[409] And then suddenly you get this Apple commercial.

[410] It's just some woman's, deepish, and it's like beautiful, beautiful computers that I don't need at all.

[411] My wife and I watch it and we're like, we got to get one.

[412] And it's like, but why?

[413] I've got a computer.

[414] You have a computer?

[415] But the commercial is so potent.

[416] You're like, yeah.

[417] I want a blue Mac.

[418] Ah, blue.

[419] Yeah.

[420] Oh, yes, new colors.

[421] Yeah.

[422] What a red phone.

[423] But to me, what's really cool and what may, hopefully is it, but the future might be looked at as Wild West, is that, I mean, you look at Apple, right?

[424] This is two multiverses away from this one.

[425] This is a tower of wizards.

[426] You know what I mean?

[427] That's what it is, right?

[428] Yes.

[429] And, like, every once in a while, like, today was their big keynote.

[430] But every once in a while the wizards show the behold the new spirits we've summoned and then, you know, shows it to the villagers and we're all like, oh my God.

[431] Look at that glowing cube of an ax -and -x -nax.

[432] You know what I mean?

[433] It's like the cube of an ax -and -x will now teleport six feet farther.

[434] But yeah, two multiverses away.

[435] That's what is.

[436] But, you know, we knowing that.

[437] These are wizards.

[438] And then realizing these commercials, they're casting spells on us.

[439] Two multiverses away.

[440] We just don't think of it as a spell.

[441] It's a spell.

[442] What is that image?

[443] Why you show me that?

[444] It's the Apple .com that as it starts, it's what he's describing.

[445] All these little emojis are looking at the screen.

[446] This is a spell of hypnosis, 17.

[447] They're going to get you to accept those as your avatars, and you're going to be more comfortable with them than your real skin.

[448] And then they're going to give you the option, three or four phones from now to actually become that avatar permanent.

[449] And your old skin, you can always go back to your old skin temporarily, but only as long as you have battery life.

[450] Because in real life, you have to make the swap, you have to decide, you know.

[451] And in real life, it's just much more efficient for our systems if you just accept the avatar all the time.

[452] Yeah.

[453] And you can upgrade your avatar with this, you know, it's not that expensive.

[454] Sure.

[455] I mean, you just described one of the stories of how humans incarnate in this dimension as you pick your incarnation.

[456] Maybe that is part of why we're so obsessed with gender and race.

[457] Maybe we're going to get to a point, maybe the universe is priming us, and we're going to get to a point very soon where you can really swap out your gender and race.

[458] You really can change what you are because you're just electricity going through your fucking brain connected to some machine by some weird interface.

[459] And now they figured that interface out and you will live the life of whoever.

[460] you want whether you want to be tall or short whether you're a person who decides you want to experience life in poverty whether you want to experience life as a genius where you want to be a girl or a boy gay or straight black or white Asian whatever the fuck you want you could do it all anytime you want you can go back and forth yeah bro that's coming well that's you know like I opened up the singularity is near recently just to look you know look through it's a great book.

[461] Kurzweil's got this definition of humans in there that's so beautiful and I'm going to butcher it but it's essentially like you know he's got a lot of definitions of humans some of them are really amazing like something like self replicating nanoreplicator or something but like the other description is humans are things that because towards the in there he's like people ask like okay, if we learn to use nanobots to decode us and like you know, not just transform our bodies but you know merge humans with other humans or you know theoretically entire collectives of people could merge together as superorganisms with one personality but what are we going to be after that?

[462] And he says what humans are are creatures that like to push past all boundaries.

[463] And so the market pressure that is going into like people spending all the money they spend a bill these insane fucking phones that is a thing that's pushing us towards that point and that there's no choice that's the other thing I didn't realize this until I was reading it recently because somehow when I was reading the singularity shit before I used to imagine oh we have a choice in this like humans as a whole just put the brakes on and be like you know what let's slow down on the singularity project thing I don't think we're going to do it there's no choice like we're part of a that's going over a waterfall and no no no no particle of water gets to say hold on everybody let's not go over the waterfall what do you say we just hang out turn into a lake or something it's like no there's no way out of it it's happening and and the in all this stuff that's causing all this fucking turmoil in society is related to humans coming to this weird point of freedom where we might not have to be what we were born as in any way in any way and anyway and that for whatever reason is very upsetting to some people some people don't like it they're like you got to be what you were born as all things all things you know if if it tomorrow a technology emerges where you could change your ethnicity think of the think of the uh some people be mad at you for doing the culture yeah well yeah it would be a huge controversy man and similarly with gender but not just with gender imagine if tomorrow you know anyone who wants to could turn into the most in shape person ever so now you know now when you see someone who's in shape you're like wow they've got a lot of discipline but that all goes away there's no more you know what I mean there's no currency anymore and like oh wow you're a you're a master pianist oh that's amazing so what app did you use right you learned it easy you know oh you're you're such a you've become so Cheers, my brother.

[464] You become so much funnier ever since you did that upgrade.

[465] Right.

[466] You know what I mean?

[467] I, you know, I...

[468] But isn't this ego, right?

[469] Like, isn't this what we're thinking about just ego that, like, people have gone through this intense, laborious process to become the greatest tenets player of all time?

[470] But if you could just get there through technology.

[471] Isn't it, it's, I mean, I get that there's like all these signals of discipline and all these signals of being something special.

[472] But it seems like that's just because it's hard to do, right?

[473] There's a thing that's going on here where it's like we're praising things that are hard to do because it's an ethic, right?

[474] It's like burned into our system.

[475] And we think it's definitely positive.

[476] The things that are hard to do make you a better person.

[477] But we're basing that on the idea that that's the only way to make you a better person.

[478] Like that just taking these downloads and all of a sudden learning how to play concert piano or learning how to do kung fu or learning how to do calculus.

[479] like instantaneously adds to your database, maybe you just became the same version or even maybe a better version of a better person because you're not constantly bitter about struggle.

[480] Because one of the things that sucks about really famous people or really successful people or really exceptionally accomplished people is they want you to know, right?

[481] When they want you to know, and I think we've all been guilty of it and I know I've been guilty of it for sure, you know, where I was like happy about certain success, and I bragged about it.

[482] And, you know, in retrospect, rather, it's probably gross.

[483] But in the moment, I was being celebratory.

[484] Yeah.

[485] But that is a thing where when people are trying to do something and it's difficult to do when someone does something like that, we admire them because they made it through.

[486] But ultimately, the benefit is supposed to be that it makes them somehow or another a better version of what they were.

[487] Yeah.

[488] With everything they do, whether they climb Mount Everest or write a novel, hard things make you a more interesting person.

[489] Everybody that I know has gone through some interesting shit and it's one of the things that I love most about comics because I know the emotional rollercross to ride that it takes to become a competent comedian where you're working professional it's fucking crazy.

[490] And then to do what we do what you and I do which is even weird or where you're just thinking out loud in front of the world which is fucking bananas a ridiculous thing to do and while you're doing it most in time you're high or drunk or a lot of the time at least all these things they're interesting and we celebrate them because we know they're hard to achieve but why do they have to be why can't people just become a better person with a download do we want someone to fucking have to run marathons for 10 years to be a better person maybe there's a download and all of a sudden you're like a guy who runs marathons every day for 10 years you're like a stoic person who just appreciates things for what they are you don't come with any bullshit you're not emotionally over -needy You don't require additional attention.

[491] Like there's all these things that people are allowed to do.

[492] They require additional attention that they don't really deserve.

[493] Well, it's the same thing on the flip side.

[494] Like, the people that get attention for things that they have accomplished, they want it, and they just fucking, that's why they're doing it.

[495] Like, that's not good.

[496] And it's also not good that people want attention for things they don't deserve attention for.

[497] Like, you didn't do anything.

[498] Like, why you want to be celebrated?

[499] You've got work to do.

[500] You're lazy.

[501] You eat too much.

[502] What are you doing?

[503] Stop saying it's the world.

[504] It's not the world's fault.

[505] Get up.

[506] Stop farting on yourself and go outside.

[507] Just go outside.

[508] You can fart on yourself.

[509] Go outside.

[510] But that, there's, if you just get all that with a download, why do you have to fucking, you know what I'm saying?

[511] Like, for sure you got a download.

[512] We all got downloads, right?

[513] I got a fairly lucky download where there wasn't a lot of trauma.

[514] It wasn't anything unsurmountable.

[515] Yeah.

[516] Some people get downloads that are horrendous.

[517] Yep.

[518] And they have to work their way through childhood sexual abuse, right?

[519] They could have been molested by the time they were babies, right?

[520] That's a real thing across the world.

[521] So imagine that download.

[522] Well, okay.

[523] Right.

[524] Imagine if you can just come along and fix that.

[525] Oh, we're going to take that and just fix that issue and then give you a guy who climbed all the mountains download.

[526] And then you're going to learn Kung Fu, like Neo in the Matrix, give you that download.

[527] Sure.

[528] Calculus, that download.

[529] Why wouldn't you do that?

[530] Do you want to work hard?

[531] Well, I want to earn it on my own fucking back.

[532] But that would be, so that would be one of the big controversies, which is like, okay, so we've got one league of baseball players that achieved their ability to play baseball through a combination of skill and talent and practice.

[533] And then we have this other league.

[534] They're all 14.

[535] But they did it download.

[536] with it now they're like 50 times better than any living baseball player.

[537] Watching them is like watching some kind of like psychedelic geometry because they're so fucking good and the balls move so fast.

[538] It's like the most insane thing you've ever seen.

[539] But do you want to watch that?

[540] Yes.

[541] Or do you want to watch that?

[542] That's what I'm saying.

[543] You're not going to watch an old baseball game.

[544] Oh yeah.

[545] Let's go watch the fucking Dodgers.

[546] You know, they haven't had any downloads.

[547] They're just, it's just old classic.

[548] baseball when the balls moved less than 600 miles per hour when the balls didn't break the sound barrier no shit right but that's the problem is because you're going to have a group of people that rejects becoming whatever this thing is and those people they're going to they're going to say things like we're being ostracized we're being pushed to the side And it's like, well, kind of, but also what's happening is you don't want to adapt.

[549] And the history of evolution is adaptation for better or for worse.

[550] It might be better to be a primordial person who hasn't done gene therapy, who hasn't transformed their genetics, which is coming.

[551] The new vaccines are part of that.

[552] but the thing that's the thing that's coming because the new that that shit sped stuff up right what's coming is going to be all again and again you're going to get this opportunity where it's like do you want to get rid of your diabetes maybe okay we're going to give you this thing that's going to reprogram your DNA so that you're not all fuck your insulin is working so everything's working their your pancreas is working and some people who have diabetes are going to be like no I just think I want to stay like this.

[553] I don't want to alter my DNA.

[554] And other people are going to be like, yes, do it now, fucking inject it in me. I don't want to have to go through a life like this anymore.

[555] I want to see what it's like.

[556] And not just that aging and not just that cancer, which I'm quite excited about because I had it.

[557] And, you know, having had it, it's like any, any advancement in that realm is like excited me because it took my mom too.

[558] And obviously for not just my own selfish ass, put everybody out there is contending with it but like you're this is going to be every you know few years there's going to be a thing where it's like yeah you don't want it okay you don't have to get it but the more you don't get it and then when it gets to intelligence man when it gets to just like you know or what if you want to give your workers genetic therapy that makes them faster you know or smarter or whatever you know what I mean all it's just move quicker yeah suddenly what happens is the Species, isn't, they say this happens in species where they split.

[559] Well, especially when you have a thing like CRISPR, you have the breakthrough technology where you can actually start manipulating genes.

[560] That didn't, that was a thought before.

[561] Now it's a real practice.

[562] And they've actually done it on human fetuses in China, right?

[563] It's coming, man. And didn't they have an unintended positive consequence?

[564] Yeah, I think so.

[565] I think they got smarter.

[566] Yeah.

[567] Like, whoops.

[568] Yeah, it was John Cena, apologizing.

[569] So sorry, everybody got smarter.

[570] Love the Chinese people.

[571] So sorry.

[572] Yeah.

[573] This guy got smarter.

[574] It was an accident.

[575] We were just trying to protect him from HIV.

[576] That's what it was, right?

[577] Wasn't it?

[578] I think they were trying to give them protection from HIV.

[579] Can you Google that, Jamie?

[580] I'm not being butchering this.

[581] I think the guy who did that got in trouble, too, right?

[582] I think he got arrested.

[583] Yeah, he got, won't, won't, won't trouble.

[584] Come on, man, they told him to do that.

[585] I was trying to do that.

[586] The wink, wink, wink trouble.

[587] Like, wink, right?

[588] What was the question?

[589] How do you phrase that question?

[590] I think the question is like, what, yeah, something about age genetic therapy, China.

[591] The CRISPR, I think it was twins, twin fetuses, and they tried to give them protection.

[592] Online.

[593] We are now, this is literally the set.

[594] You know, when you're online and you're trying to remember what?

[595] Why you're Googling?

[596] This is part of the problem with my podcast, man. It's like people, for some reason, I know the thing I should stop doing it this way.

[597] Gene edits to CRISPR babies might have shortened their life expenses.

[598] That's not great.

[599] Oops.

[600] Study of almost half a million people links mutation that protects against HIV infection to an earlier death.

[601] Okay.

[602] Well, that is a weird link that I don't necessarily understand how they could just make that leap.

[603] It's like, put that back up.

[604] It doesn't necessarily.

[605] necessarily mean that that's what caused their earlier death.

[606] It could have mean they just fucked themselves into oblivion and ran out of jizz.

[607] That's possible, too.

[608] No shot of getting HIV ever.

[609] You know, I mean, how many people would just go ham?

[610] You know?

[611] Scientists who added the genomes of twin girls and attempt, oh, it was twin girls.

[612] An attempt to make them resistant to HIV may have inadvertently shortened their lives.

[613] But I think there's another thing that they were saying.

[614] And they think it impaired some sort of a cognitive benefit.

[615] He probably, that's just what you say after you find out you fucked up some babies.

[616] You're like, but they're smarter.

[617] Right.

[618] Trust me. I got to go.

[619] Wait a few years.

[620] They're going to, listen.

[621] And in 10 years, they're going to come up with the cure for their life expectancy being shorter.

[622] Exactly.

[623] Exactly.

[624] You're welcome.

[625] Why, you know the problem to me, man, is like, why they have to call it CRISPR?

[626] It's like CRISPR babies.

[627] It sounds like a KFC.

[628] eat fucking snack It sounds like bacon.

[629] There's a bacon sandwich.

[630] Oh, I love CRISPR babies in the morning.

[631] That's a terrible name.

[632] That would have been a good name for like a bacon store.

[633] Not like the future of humanity.

[634] We owe it all to CRISPR.

[635] Yeah, but you know, I think that that's, we're just witnessing humanity reckoning with this, what's coming, the technology.

[636] Because here's the other thing.

[637] Like, you know, if you look at, you know, what they're saying about not just the Wuhan Laboratory, but like, did I just say laboratory?

[638] Like, I'm trying to.

[639] You see Wuhan.

[640] The Wuhan Laboratory.

[641] Why did I say?

[642] But like, but like, you're drinking.

[643] Oh, thank you.

[644] I almost forgot.

[645] But like the, the, like, if you look at like that, so the big controversy right now is virology gain of function research, which is taking some fucking virus, altering.

[646] a little bit and sometimes you need to do that to study it right like there's a i was looking it up there's like these small these pot mice a mice pox i think in australia because basically like you want to take this virus whatever it may be that might pose a threat to humanity like what we what happened in galveston right that's what they were looking at the idea being okay here like well which is we went to a place in galveston where they study these things we said what happened in galveston like there was an outbreak that people don't know about oh you know The Galveston fucking outbreak.

[647] They'd be like, what happened in Galveston?

[648] They'd be like, fuck, what happened to Galveston?

[649] What was Duncan talking about?

[650] Let's Google it.

[651] No, we just went to this creepy, you know, place where there was a creepy only because like there's like tiny little microscopic demons all around you.

[652] And I should say that we got so high at the airport that we missed our flight.

[653] They left.

[654] They took off.

[655] They were already gone.

[656] Like, we were like, where's this flight?

[657] We were so baked.

[658] We were sitting there talking for so long.

[659] And then we had to take a flight late that night.

[660] And we flew all.

[661] through the night and then landed in the morning and then had an hour to sleep, I think.

[662] Then the next day you're in like one of the most secure bio -laboratories.

[663] What did you put up, Jamie Q?

[664] Mousepox.

[665] Oh, wow.

[666] Mousepox.

[667] But like, so, okay, so the idea is you have, essentially like you're planning a virus, two multiverses over where apples, a wizard tower, a virus is a demon.

[668] And so if you're one of the royal demon defenders, you've got to study, like, what are the most possible 15 demons that might break out of hell and rampage through Earth, right?

[669] And so in this dimension, that's like the coronaviruses, but not just the coronavirus, but not just Ebola, like all the possible things we might have to worry about, the avian bird flu, right?

[670] So if you're like in one of these labs, you need to study it, but you got to study it in a living thing that is easier to study than whatever it came from, gain of function, make it so that infects mice, right?

[671] Now you can put it in mice and start studying the way it works and living organisms, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

[672] So that's gain of function research, right?

[673] So like virologists, so now there's like a moratorium on it, at least I hope there.

[674] It's very strict.

[675] But virologists are kind of like, look, we have.

[676] have to do gain a function if we're going to study the shit that's coming because we want to try to at least begin the process of making a vaccine, understanding how it's going to affect civilization so that if it does come, if the demon comes out of hell, we know the spells to cast.

[677] That's the reason we got the COVID vaccines.

[678] Everyone's like, they started working on it six months ago.

[679] It's like, no, they didn't.

[680] They've been working on versions of it for a while because of this very thing but anyway the problem is the problem with gain of function the double -edged sword is you're making the thing it's like instead of waiting for the demon to explode from how you summon it in the sealed chamber of lornax you like where they put the hulk in that clear box yes exactly pull that video put that excuse me that uh text up brother because this text is insane about mice box i'm gonna read this to you folks because it's such a fucking listen to this A virus that kills every one of its victims by wiping out part of their immune system has been accidentally created by an Australian research team.

[681] Yeah.

[682] Just imagine that.

[683] A virus that kills every one of its victims was accident.

[684] Whoops.

[685] We were trying to make syrup and we wanted to put it on our pancakes, but we accidentally made a virus that kills everything.

[686] What does that mean?

[687] Wait a minute.

[688] It's not an accident if that's what you're working on.

[689] Well, no. Is that what they're working on?

[690] But that the reason they're working on it is because.

[691] You would rather understand it in a laboratory than all of a sudden mousepox naturally mutates and suddenly shit tons of people are just dying and we have no idea how to deal with it.

[692] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[693] That's the argument for gain of function research.

[694] Oh, I get it.

[695] Okay, okay.

[696] No, no, no. I get the argument for it.

[697] I mean, it's really interesting, right?

[698] It's like how do you understand how a virus mutates other than making it mutate yourself?

[699] and you do it in this like really safe, contained environment.

[700] But life finds a way, doesn't it?

[701] Well, that place wasn't safe.

[702] That place had been cited for safety violations in 2018.

[703] I didn't know that.

[704] Find that place.

[705] This mousepox is scaring the shit on me, Australia.

[706] What are you doing, Australia?

[707] Wait, I thought it meant it only killed 100 % of mice.

[708] It means humans?

[709] It does kill 100 % of mice because it hasn't jumped to humans.

[710] But if it did make the leap to humans with the same efficacy.

[711] Jesus Christ.

[712] That's not good.

[713] that's 100 % death that's the thing man it's like if you go back throughout humanity we hit we hit a bunch of fucking pit stops where things went real bad and we had to restart the whole race and I think at times human beings got down to like because of natural disasters just a few thousand people and for sure because of plagues the human race probably got dropped down to like multiple times like half of what it used to be or a third what it used to be that happened a bunch of times So the human race itself We got real close once I think in Indonesia There was a super volcano That blew off like 60 ,000 years ago We've talked about this so many times I really wish I could pull this off At the top of my head 2018 dip bats warned of risky coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan lab No one listened Yeah Okay so 2018 People were like hey what the fuck It'd make a good 80s comedy like a bunch of like stoners working at a viral laboratory what was I just talking about just before that you were talking about the um you said you've talked about it many times oh the fucking super volcano man like yeah i think it was in indonesia right i think it killed everybody except for i think it was down to 7000 people so the whole earth think about the 7 billion people they were down to 7 ,000 people they were down to 7 ,000 people they were down to 7 ,000 people what horrors did those people see the people that made it what how many people did they eat a lot how many of their friends did they see die i mean what did they do there's seven thousand people you go from a million people to seven thousand the sky becomes black with soot as this volcano bursts fire into the sky and it drowns out all the sun kills all the plants you have no food, animals starved to death.

[714] Yeah.

[715] They might have just eaten each other.

[716] I mean, who the fuck knows?

[717] Well, yeah.

[718] Right now, anthropologists are going crazy.

[719] You don't understand history.

[720] You know, what is it?

[721] Yeah, yeah.

[722] Well, but.

[723] You're right.

[724] They're right.

[725] The, uh, I mean, this is, you know, it would be nice if, like, when you're watching Fox News or whatever, the, like, the left or the right fucking propaganda mechanism is.

[726] Every once in a while, they would just admit, they're like, We don't know what we're talking about, y 'all.

[727] We're like, we're performing.

[728] But you know what I mean?

[729] Like, I think that would be nice if every once in a while they, like, you know, broke the fourth wall to like.

[730] They can't.

[731] They don't have any freedom.

[732] That's part of the problem with that whole format.

[733] The difference between what you do and what they do is it's on the opposite side of the Matrix.

[734] People would believe them more, though.

[735] It doesn't matter.

[736] Then it would be a corporate decision to do that.

[737] And it wouldn't work.

[738] North America settled by just 70 people.

[739] Study concludes.

[740] What?

[741] Holy shit.

[742] Give me a break.

[743] How is that possible?

[744] Fucking shit.

[745] 70 people?

[746] Scroll up, bro.

[747] Let me read some of this shit.

[748] This is nuts.

[749] I was looking at the genetic bottleneck theory stuff because that's what that Tobah catastrophe talks about.

[750] Oh, is that what they think?

[751] That's what the...

[752] One of the things that could have created it.

[753] It was a core sample thing, too, though, right?

[754] Yeah, there were other animals that have gotten down there, too, so I was just, like, I stumbled across this.

[755] A new study of DNA suggests North America was originally populated by just a few dozen people who crossed a land bridge from Asia during the last Ice Age.

[756] About 14 ,000 years ago, humans crossed the Bering Land Bridge from Siberia to North America.

[757] Most experts agree.

[758] You know, I got called racist because I believe that.

[759] What?

[760] Yeah.

[761] Somebody pointed me to something.

[762] Like, somebody sent me a thing saying, why is this racist?

[763] Like, people think that some folks, like colonists, believe that people came here across the Bering Land Bridge and populated North America, where some folks think there was native people just here, period.

[764] Like, there was native people everywhere.

[765] And I got to admit, I never even thought about it until somebody said that, because if there were native people in South America, for sure.

[766] I mean, do we believe that all the Native people in North American, South America walk down from Siberia?

[767] Is that what we believe?

[768] They don't really know, right?

[769] Sounds crazy.

[770] It sounds crazy, but it's just guessing at this point, maybe that's right.

[771] Who knows?

[772] Or maybe there's people already here.

[773] Maybe we don't know.

[774] Maybe they hopped on rafts.

[775] I like the Graham Hancock version of it way better.

[776] It's like we're older and older and older.

[777] I think so.

[778] So, yeah, did like a group of people cross an ice bridge at some point to end up in a place that it recently experienced a meeting?

[779] or a comet like impact on the planet maybe just imagine this shit 70 people 70 people coming across from Siberia well by the way during that time 14 ,000 years ago you know it was alive on that bearing land bridge that they think kept people from crossing over sooner the short face bear the short face bear makes a grizzly bear look like a koala bear so you had to fight bears you couldn't fight bears you could not fight a short face bear short face bear is so big it's a demon in a movie look at that the biggest of all the bear species wasn't that tough well Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock believed that that short -faced bear was a victim of the younger dryest impact theory yeah they believe that the asteroids slammed into the planet and there's real proof of that in terms of when they do core samples according to these guys that at But in that range of like when the Ice Age ends, there's all this nuclear glass that indicates there were some sort of impacts all over the place, all throughout Asia and Europe.

[780] I love that shit.

[781] It's a wild theory, man. It's such a crazy theory when you think about that.

[782] But that fucking bear died off.

[783] Yeah.

[784] And people made it because we're ingenuity.

[785] We are ingenuity.

[786] We are ingenuity.

[787] We're Toyota.

[788] We're number one.

[789] We're number one.

[790] But we figured out how to survive and they didn't have enough food.

[791] they're so fucking big they need so much food dude so okay okay extinction hypotheses okay we always talk about it but we haven't talked about with wigs on before you're right we can repeat our conversations i love it can i just say something before you do it yeah i'm better with you i'm my best podcast or with you i'm i'm i'm a better we we know each other so well we used to be roommates yeah definitely how many months how long was i was i live at your house i don't know six was it like six it was so close to that yeah that was so much fun i'd love to having you at my house i thought it was amazing that was a blast what i gotta tell you man to like emerge out of this fucking pandemic having like you know been with my wife who was pregnant for a lot of it you know which is really scary oh yeah but we made a decision and we were like look we're not gonna let fear determine like our lives are you guys taking vitamins you doing the whole vitamin thing she eats more vitamins than i've ever seen anyone eat because she breastfeed so she like and i've tasted her milk it's sweet whatever she's doing is right because she makes very sweet very you know i know why the baby's smiling because it's like it's like ice cream basically but yeah anyway yeah i forced my wife to keep making breast milk for three years after the baby was born just so i could have some for myself no you did not no of course i didn't what the fuck did you why did you let it go you should have been like yes are you kidding that's i got scared that's a that's a twitter trend wrote jo rogan forced wife to make milk he had a milking area in the house bro you've been to my house i can't even fucking decorate i'm not allowed Not a lot to decorate.

[792] Nor am.

[793] I mean, like, this is the thing.

[794] It's like, this is a recurring problem I have, we have, which is that my wife will ask me, do you like this?

[795] And then all of a sudden I have, like, weird, intense, aesthetic opinions that I've never had before.

[796] You know what I mean?

[797] That's so true.

[798] Like, she'll show me a couch.

[799] I don't think about couch.

[800] I'm like, no, I don't think that's going to work in that room.

[801] And she's like, you don't like anything I show you.

[802] And then I think about it.

[803] It's like, I'm basing.

[804] this on nothing other than like a dim like a light feeling of not liking it you're ready to argue to the death which is like where you're at is is the enlightened place to be which is like surrender to it what are you going to do well here's here's the reality of it first of all a i really don't care if it looks nice i don't care i'm happy i just want to sit down i'm not i'm not that interested i'm really not that interested but i also don't like when one other when one person just like makes all the decisions like um hey Right.

[805] You know, but I also know, realistically, if I was the one to make the decisions, it would be a mess.

[806] It would be a hodgepodge of imagery.

[807] And here's one thing that me and my wife don't get along, don't agree with, rather.

[808] I'm into, I am not just into, I have this weird obsession with ancient Asian art. Yeah.

[809] Weird obsession.

[810] Like the Buddha, I have a bunch of Buddhas.

[811] I have different Ganeshes and all these different things.

[812] from Thailand and China and I'm obsessed with that shit I don't know why I've always been I've always been obsessed with that I see that and it's like part of me goes I want that near me I want that close to me I don't know why because you used to be a Buddhist you don't never accept it but it's like that doesn't make any sense I used to be a monkey dude well you were a monkey at some point too I mean look again that's like my own obviously that's my own sense of things but the the concept of reincarnation I think is a really beautiful thing and probably pretty true because you know people do have especially when you look at my favorite reincarnation story is that woman who became an Egyptologist who her parents took her to this Egyptian exhibit when she was a little girl and she started crying and shit because she's like there used to be gardens here there's a early you know what to be like but anyway that she was having this past life memory of living in Egypt and she became a very famous Egyptologist Jamie, do you mind looking that up?

[813] Yeah, look that up.

[814] Because it sounds like bullshit, but it's true.

[815] She just remembered this, like, other time, and she identified aspects of, apparently identified aspects of that culture that they didn't believe at that point, but then later they realized she was right.

[816] Or maybe she's crazy and she wants attention.

[817] This is what she does.

[818] In order to be, like, the coolest version of the people that study Egypt, she pretends and in another life.

[819] She lived there.

[820] I was there.

[821] Dun, done.

[822] I'm not saying.

[823] she is relax folks we're just talking well look i mean no well who are you gonna make happy here like a huge group of people are like shut the fuck up hippie that in a huge group of people like come on joe it's reincarnation stop being such a cook yeah yeah exactly but you know it is the you can't make everybody happy duncan regardless of like the uh the girl who rose from the dead with memories of ancient egypt oh what year is this hold please 1904 i don't believe a fucking word of it what back then they believed in chiropractors.

[824] They believed in a lot of shit.

[825] You still believe in chiropractor.

[826] Well, look, I mean, regardless, I do think, like, from my perspective, that it's just good karma.

[827] Yeah.

[828] We call it whatever you want to call it, but to be sort of, I think anything that you're drawn to like that, whether it's, like, you know, religious imagery or whether it's a style of literature or whatever.

[829] you're supposed to that's that's like the X marks the spot like you're supposed to go deep into it to understand because you know those images there's so there's so much associated with those images they're fractals right and in the fractal contains within it all the scriptures and so you know the scriptures when you convert them into imagery they turn into a Ganesh or a Buddha but because it's all the same it's like the way if you make ice hot it turns into water water or you know but if you may get water hot it turns into steam in the same way like the dharma as they call it it appears in these specific ways and one of them looks like that imagery you know it's just one of the ways this data set condenses in the matter well it appears when you're under the influence of psychedelics that's the weirdest thing for me my first psychedelic trip ever there was like an infinite number of buddhas in a lotus position there were this golden Buddhas floating around and they had like they represented like perfect symmetry with the way they were seated because they're seated in a lotus position and from the top of their head the peak of their head and went straight down and they were floating and moving all around and synchronous and it was like whoa it was heavy and they they didn't want you had to abandon this is the first thing I remember about the DMT experience when I first the first one with the golden Buddha which is literally why I got this tattoo because it was one of one of the most profound moments in my life because it was the first time where I felt like 100 % clear that there was no room for bullshitting anybody like you can get by with charisma and you can say things the right way and you can pretend and maybe you have a little bit of luck and maybe have some like genetic gifts for certain things but who are you what are you who are you really and you get And you realize, like, oh, my God, I'm carrying around all this nonsense for no reason.

[830] And it don't work on them anyway.

[831] When you get over there and all those Buddhas were like floating in and around me, you know, they knew I didn't sleep as much as I did.

[832] They knew I used my phone more than I say I do.

[833] They know everything.

[834] Yeah.

[835] They know all the lies and all the painful memories of regret that you have from the time you could remember from being five.

[836] I hit my cousin in the face with a bag of cookies when I was five and I still feel bad about it.

[837] Oh, man. I feel bad about it.

[838] This is what happened.

[839] How big was the bag?

[840] It wasn't very big.

[841] It's not that.

[842] This is what happened.

[843] I hit him with the bag and the cookies went flying and they hit the dirt.

[844] And then we couldn't eat the cookies.

[845] And I was so mad.

[846] He was bigger than me. My cousin was bigger than me. And he was upsetting me. And I remember I just grabbed a cookie bag and fucking swung it out.

[847] But when the cookies went flying out, I felt so.

[848] so bad and that was like one of the first times that I'd ever made like an epic mistake where everybody around me wanted these cookies because we were in New Jersey and there was these delis that would make or bakeries rather that would make bread and we'd go with my grandfather all the time to get bread and we would get cookies and like little pastries and I would look forward to them so much but my cousin was fucking with me and I just wanted to swing on them and I needed something to hit them with and I guess I was like five years old but I remember that like that kind of of thing like that kind of regret yeah like it stays with you yeah like your whole life yeah isn't that intense weird and you you you that that is so what happens is you start that's you start thinking that's who you are yeah because it's so loud and it's just you just naturally start thinking like oh yeah i'm that's me i'm that regret and so in that is the that's how you become a person is you start you know picking out the loudest aspects you focus on that yeah yeah and assemble it now you've got a personality this is this shit you put in your Twitter bio you're like I forgive but I never forget now you got to stick to that fucking rule and you know what I mean now this is a this is a rule you just made for yourself just saying this is what I must be like and it's it's it's like no different than like when you have your imaginary friend and you're like, Lika, he enjoys dancing.

[849] It's like, well, that's not anything there.

[850] Or that sheet you put on Instagram.

[851] Yes, the guy who fucking sold a sculpture with, it was a zero thing.

[852] Nothing's there.

[853] He didn't exist.

[854] He sold it for $18 ,000.

[855] But this is why I love that symbol of art that he did because I think it's a critique of what lots of people are doing.

[856] Or I think it's a drug dealer looking at launder money.

[857] It's an easy way to do it because there's no object.

[858] Where's that fucking sculpture?

[859] Why can't it be?

[860] even exist.

[861] You can actually launder money and make a social critique simultaneously.

[862] That's what fucking art is.

[863] You can launder money and make a social critique simultaneously.

[864] That's what fucking art is.

[865] They're not mutually exclusive.

[866] Put that in quotes and let's make t -shirts.

[867] Let's go.

[868] You got to move here.

[869] I can't do this without you.

[870] Joe, I have to move here.

[871] Don't torture me. Let's just do one a week.

[872] One a week.

[873] I'd love to you by the way I love to fear no but I'd love to too I think we can sort things out I think when I get like the most ultimate cancellation and then all the other celebrities aren't willing to come on the podcast anymore just you and me okay you're not gonna get people love you you're not gonna get you're just in a little bit of trouble you get in trouble you get in trouble I get a little bit of trouble yeah you get in every time I'm on fucking Twitter it's like god damn you stay off Twitter well yeah well you know Listen, but we were talking about before with, like, Russians and bots and Chinese and bots and all these things.

[874] Yeah.

[875] The problem with Twitter is...

[876] I'm sorry, man. My weight's falling off.

[877] I'm so sorry.

[878] I'm so sorry.

[879] It's annoying.

[880] People are probably done with this anyway.

[881] I'm not.

[882] I'm not done with this for the next many years.

[883] I've always...

[884] Bald druids, right?

[885] Aren't they like monks?

[886] Yeah.

[887] No, that's...

[888] Don't they bald?

[889] The problem with Twitter is the same problem with how easy it is to pretend you're a person on Twitter.

[890] Because it's so impersonal.

[891] And so little of you comes through in text that it's easy to start thinking of people like their text.

[892] It's easy to say mean things or be disrespectful or to be dismissive or to completely lack compassion.

[893] Yes.

[894] And as a person who's been the subject of it, it's fascinating.

[895] And my strategy has always been like I'm just going to just not pay attention to this.

[896] Right.

[897] Because I don't want to argue with anybody.

[898] I genuinely try to be the best person I can be.

[899] And like all of us, I'm flawed.

[900] And I know what my intentions are and I know how I try to go about business and life and just I try to be as nice as possible.

[901] That's my goal.

[902] So when I see people communicating the way they're communicating on Twitter, I'm like, there is no way that that syncs up with my view of the world.

[903] And I can't argue on it either.

[904] Like if you argue on Twitter, then you're synced up to this really low vibration.

[905] Now here's the problem.

[906] Occasionally it's a resource.

[907] Occasionally you learn some really interesting stuff.

[908] Sure.

[909] You see a funny meme.

[910] Someone informs you about a documentary or a book that you really, you read it like, holy shit, thank you so much.

[911] Occasionally, it does that.

[912] But it also harbors so much negative thinking.

[913] It's so bad for the people that are slinging that shit.

[914] You're just thinking about it all day long.

[915] That's all they're thinking about.

[916] And they're engaged in like some sort of verbal battle.

[917] And the problem is I know a lot of them independently.

[918] I know I'm outside of Twitter and I'm talking to them and they're on medication and they're doing all kinds of weird things to deal with their anxiety and I'm like hey man do you ever think part of that might be what you're in this battleground you're engaging in this impersonal like emotionless battleground where it's like 70 % insults like what are you doing dude I's okay I saw the Dalai Lama speak in Anaheim and one of the things long ago long time ago I was on my mushrooms.

[919] It was fucking crazy.

[920] But one of the things he said was, and I, you know, it's weird because like this again, this is stuff you hear.

[921] This is stuff that anyone could say.

[922] But somehow when it's coming out of the Dalai Lama, who by the way has this translator who's been with him forever.

[923] And you see those two on stage together.

[924] And then you will understand what Buddhism looks like.

[925] Because it's like not serious.

[926] It's not heavy.

[927] They're like talking to each other to translate.

[928] They're laughing to each other.

[929] Is they're like translating?

[930] It's just so in the moment and fun and you look at that and you're like oh that's not like the boring like oh no no like thing that i thought it was this is just this is like alive and like sweet and fun and they're enjoying what they're doing it's really really cool but one of the things that came up was um this issue of uh you know when someone insults you when someone says something shitty to you and i don't remember the question but someone's asking this question and the way the dollar long put it was they don't know you number one but it's an what you're seeing is an echo someone did that to them it got inside of them and then it is echoing it's about like they're like the wall of an weird infinite geometric cave and this this like wave of negativity is bouncing off of them bouncing to you and you know you have a choice to react to it as though it were real and if you do you become solid enough to bounce it onto somebody else or realize what it is you're just looking at an echo and just let like once you realize that you don't feel as defensive it's a if it's a person attacking you and you feel like i've got to defend against this this person but if you realize like really most people when they're saying shitty things to other people they don't know that person because they don't know themselves well the problem is even if they do like louis k said something that's really appropriate here he we were talking about it he goes it's just talk he goes it seems like it's different because it's written down but it's just talk which is like one of the most ultimate louis sike things to say like people have always just like said crazy shit but it didn't necessarily mean anything but now because it's written down all of a sudden we think it means something but it's basically just people talking shit right but they're talking shit and and some people unfortunately it's like too much of their life i've been around too many people where they're hanging out with you in the middle of day and then they pull up twitter and you see their eyes gloss over and they start arguing with someone on Twitter and then they check it every yeah yeah yeah yeah they're talking to you but then you have to check the Twitter I'm like bro this is not good for you it's like paw patrol for my toddler we my wife's been putting off pop patrol now for a long time she I didn't know what it was she's like I don't like it she was a nanny so she's like I don't I don't want to do pop patrol finally she's like let's just do pop patrol we show him pop patrol suddenly Forrest is watching it and I'm like hey Forrest you want to go feed the crows because in the morning we feed the crows and he doesn't answer he's looking and she says to me he's gone he's in paw patrol now but yeah it's it is i i think that's that's the real tragedy it's not so much the you know micro moments of feeling butt hurt because someone that you will never meet decided to say the meanest thing anyone ever said to you it's the it's not that's that sucks but what really sucks is all those moments when you're completely glue -trapped into this technological opiate and you're not interacting with people around you.

[931] And then also you're carrying the weight of whatever the particular thing.

[932] Because, like, my God, it's not like everyone out there is just like, you know, there's some precise archers of pain out there.

[933] Talking about a shotgun scatter.

[934] This is not your mama jokes.

[935] Yeah.

[936] Like this is like surgically designed.

[937] Yeah.

[938] Reddit Assassins.

[939] Right, where you're just like, dear God, dear God, how do you know me so well?

[940] You're right.

[941] I'm all fine.

[942] You got me. You got me. But see, this is the difference between those Buddhas you saw and humans because a human identifies that thing and number one pretends that it's weird that another human should have a flaw, a paradox, a fucking contradiction.

[943] that they're not perfect, and then for whatever reason, we'll also think because you're not perfect in the specific way, I'm going to fucking do everything I can to expose and hurt you, whereas those things that you saw, they love you anyway.

[944] They love it itself.

[945] And so this is the difference between.

[946] Humans are affected by demons, is what you're trying to say.

[947] I'm saying...

[948] Demons to keep you from loving.

[949] Yes.

[950] Well, I'd say humans are not...

[951] The demons are just confusion.

[952] It's not a demon.

[953] It's like a confusion.

[954] The confusion is that, I think, surrounds what the nature of human identity really is.

[955] It's a confusion.

[956] It's a problem of, it's like a, so when the term ignorance comes up in Buddhism a lot, and it doesn't mean, like, dumb.

[957] It means active ignoring, right?

[958] So, like, any given person has within them stuff they're not proud of, but not just not proud of, like, you'll admit it on a podcast, you know, Like, man, I just love to, like, suck a woman's feet while I jerk off.

[959] Is it the most appealing thing?

[960] No, do I feel weird admitting that?

[961] Not at all.

[962] Who cares, right?

[963] But I'm talking about the deep shit.

[964] There's stuff you don't want to say.

[965] You're literally so ashamed of it that you don't want to look at it yourself.

[966] So that's called active ignoring.

[967] And so what that does is sweeping the shit under the rug.

[968] So then now you're going through day to day.

[969] ignoring whatever the fucking thing is you smack the person with cookies which is not that big a deal some people burnt their fucking grandparents house down and never told anybody you know what I mean and so you're going day to day and you can't really you pretend you don't look at it you don't look at it you don't look at it and then this is where aggression comes from is because because you are pretending you're something and that takes so much energy too because you always have to like avert your eyes from this aspect of yourself that you consider to be subpar or whatever.

[970] And so this produces all this aggression, but because you're not looking at it in yourself, you see it in someone else.

[971] Right.

[972] So now it's all reflected all around you.

[973] Your entire life has become a disco ball upon which the shit you don't want to look at is being reflected back at you over and over and over again.

[974] Now you're in hell.

[975] Because the thing you thought you could just ignore is in your friends.

[976] It's in the government.

[977] It's in your dogs.

[978] It's in every single thing.

[979] some version of it weirdly reflected so that's that's called active ignoring and so one one aspect of buddhism is the invitation look it in the eye see what happens what happens if you stop ignoring it and just not just like look at it like it's separate from you be it fully completely chogim trompa calls it like compares it to like when you go out to like the bad lands and it yeah is this a beautiful place by normal standards?

[980] No. Or even like volcanoes, like in Iceland where that volcanic eruption happened.

[981] It's lava and cracked and inauspitable.

[982] Is it like beautiful in the sense of Hawaii?

[983] No. But it's fucking beautiful.

[984] And so when you start looking at you the entirety of what you are, you stop focusing on the Hawaii side and give some equal attention to the fucking mortar side.

[985] And in that you become a real person.

[986] And all of a sudden, the people around you that you used to think we're fucking like, you know, assholes or out to get you or this or that, you stop seeing it in them anymore.

[987] And the reason is, is because you've acknowledged it in yourself.

[988] This is the idea.

[989] And then maybe you can become like those Buddhas you saw.

[990] Because when you've done that with yourself and you see someone who's like, thinks they're being clever and hiding the fucking thing.

[991] And the way I think I'm hiding my bald spot because I can't see it.

[992] And then when I'm trying on clothes, I see it in the mirror.

[993] And I'm like, oh my God.

[994] Does everyone see that?

[995] Yes.

[996] Yes, they see it whenever they're there.

[997] You're walking in front of them.

[998] That's hilarious.

[999] So that's the idea.

[1000] And then you can love people, not because they're perfect, but because you see, oh, they're just like me. They have shit that they're hiding from themselves.

[1001] They have shit they're embarrassed about.

[1002] They have shit they're working on.

[1003] Everybody.

[1004] Can I ask you this?

[1005] Do you think that there's something that's happening with the understanding of this?

[1006] For the most part, a lot of what you're saying resonates with people.

[1007] It resonates with me. I'm sure it resonates with a lot of people that have embarrassing moments or disappointing moments in our life.

[1008] And they just don't like who they used to be and they want to move forward, whether it's whatever it is, losing weight, whatever it is.

[1009] It's applicable to anything, kicking addiction.

[1010] Do you think that this and this new ability to discuss shit like this?

[1011] Like, where in pop culture did this conversation ever get to take place up until now?

[1012] in terms of the past in terms of like if you wanted to reach millions of people how the fuck could you do this on VH1 how the fuck could you do this on MTV oh right yeah it's not their fault but it's not what their business was how could you do it on CBS or NBC how could you do it on Fox you couldn't but it's not their fault right it's like that's not what they do they do something different so here you are talking about this and a lot of people like yeah well why do you think of yourself as who you were when you were 16 or how do you think about yourself who you were when you're five hitting your cousin in the head with a bag of cookies like why do you think about yourself like that what is it well it's weird it's memory but it's also there's a thing where the engine that tries to improve your life can get out of control and start gobbling up things it doesn't necessarily need to yeah and it starts taking over all the various aspects of the life like you you meet someone who's amazing but they're also like super hypercritical and they hate themselves you're like yeah okay listen I think you're fucking awesome like dude why you why don't you like yourself like you so many people like you like you're cool like you got to re tweak this thing turn it to the left click click click you're out of alignment you know and you see it but you can't retweak it I don't know about that man no I mean I don't mean it's not I don't mean there's no hope I mean like Pima Chodren there's a great book it's called The Wizard of No Escape but in the very beginning she says these people they take up this process of meditation because they want to become better people this is an aggression to yourself as you are right now it goes back to this idea of like the thing here it's and this is not to say so therefore we don't improve but the idea is like right now what happens if because the thing you're talking about what the tortured mind yeah the way the mind produces thoughts the way the tongue salivates it's it just produces an infinite form of thoughts, an array of thoughts, many of which are completely mundane, some of which are horrifying, some of which are just basic day -to -day bullshit that you have to do, but it's always doing this thought production situation, within which is encapsulated all of your neuroses, all of your complexes, all the things that you feel awful about, all the, all the karmic shit from your whole life, right?

[1013] So if you begin to realize, oh, shit, that's in me, but I'm not sure it is me, and then you start attacking it in like in other words you're like try to fix it it's a project now so i'm going to take this thing in my mind i'm going to fix it now you're interacting with it you're affirming it and the affirmation it becomes more condensed and crystallized then you become a person who's like deeply in the engaged in the process of getting better i don't know if you ever run in those people they're they've been reading self -help bugs for the last 30 years they're just like constantly like i'm working on myself the only thing that really shows is where where are you what have you done that's what shows what have you done where where you used to be where you at now like right now where you at and why are you there yeah are you there because you just got kicked out of your parents house and you're trying to get back on your feet or are you there because you're 40 and you've made every wrong decision over and over and over again you're mad at everybody around you but you're not mad at yourself okay right yes in the in the in the invitation here is instead of coming to that conclusion which is called waking up out of a dream you wake up you're like oh my fucking it was all a dream i used to read word up magazine and you wake up and suddenly you're like man i used to read word up magazine now i can't pay my fucking mortgage what i don't know where what the fuck is happening and so so again in that moments a lot of people feel intense shame intense shame intense guilt so the idea is the first step is like and then in that intense shame and guilt how are you going to treat people around you right like shit because you're hurting yes so the first step is at the very least do this wonderful thought experiment to me it's more than a thought experiment but it's like what my guru neem corolli baba talked about by the way when you can just casually say my guru that's what my guru nim caroli baba said you know that guy you know whatever whatever i'll try to say it's super fast you wouldn't notice it you've said it to be a thousand dollars You're auctioneered it this time, because I'm like, Magrubu, what you say?

[1014] Magrude.

[1015] Nam Kroly Baba.

[1016] You know, so the idea is, and it's really an intense idea.

[1017] And these days, it's weirdly controversial.

[1018] And there's certain times when it's not the right thing to say to people.

[1019] But essentially the idea is where you're at is perfect.

[1020] Play around with that just for fun.

[1021] Give yourself one minute.

[1022] After the one minute, you can go back to whipping yourself.

[1023] with the fucking belt of your mind because you didn't make the right choices or you're a bad boy and bad girl.

[1024] But for a minute, play around with the idea that where you're at's perfect.

[1025] It's exactly where you need to be.

[1026] You're there in the same way people go to a gym because this situation is going to teach you everything you need to know about the universe and start living your life from that perspective.

[1027] So in other words, you don't become passive and think, oh, this is perfect.

[1028] I'm addicted to fucking meth in my apartment is covered in cat shit.

[1029] No, it doesn't mean you just leave it like that, but instead of beating yourself up for it, just allow that to be perfect and then see how you start acting.

[1030] You know, man, when I've started taking these fucking vitamins and like, you know, I've been drinking more water and trying to eat better because the pandemic, I got a little unhealthy and now I'm feeling like good.

[1031] And when I'm feeling good, I'm nicer to people.

[1032] It's just how it is.

[1033] Like if I feel good, I'm going to be kind of.

[1034] So anyway, this is the idea is like, first, just let yourself be where you're at.

[1035] That's perfect.

[1036] It's wonderful.

[1037] In fact, you've been invited to the most incredible academy that ever was.

[1038] And the form that you've been invited to it in and the situation that you're in right now, just forget the idea you caused this from a lot of decisions you made in the past.

[1039] Half the time you were fucking asleep.

[1040] You didn't know what you were doing.

[1041] You were scared.

[1042] You were running from something.

[1043] You were fucking angry.

[1044] So angry at your parents.

[1045] Dealing with your childhood, the way you were raised and taught and trained.

[1046] It's like when I got on, at one point when I was combating insomnia and I got on Ambien and fuck that shit, man. But like I got to talk to me about that.

[1047] Oh, my God, dude.

[1048] I got on Ambien.

[1049] You know, Kevin James told me he went to the supermarket and bought food and came home and cooked it and doesn't remember any of it.

[1050] Yep.

[1051] Well, Ambien's.

[1052] I think he went to supermarket.

[1053] Either way.

[1054] cooked a fucking meal it fucking sucks was ready to call the cops in the morning thought someone broke into his house and cooked dinner not for me man it's like because it's like you want to you want to sleep it's like a disassociative right it's like you teleport from when you you close your eyes and you teleport to the next morning no rest just as though you jump through time and how do you feel fucking awful if you're me but to be to be fully honest that was when I was addicted to ketamine so I was like I was on a bit of a rampage man I will admit so it's hard to say It was necessarily because I can't mean.

[1055] Oh, a little fucking funny aside.

[1056] I've full disclosure.

[1057] That's a hilarious aside.

[1058] But I remember like the next morning my wife being like, well, do you know what you did last night?

[1059] And I'm like, no. And she's like, well, you kept calling a temple in Bhutan.

[1060] So like I was like, I look at my phone and I was just calling this fucking beautiful temple in Bhutan.

[1061] You know, many times.

[1062] I don't know I was trying to do there what was happening, but yeah, fuck Ambien, man. But the point is, like...

[1063] Maybe not fuck Ambien.

[1064] Maybe while you were doing that, like, maybe the problem with Ambien is not Ambien.

[1065] The problem is that Ambien only, it only projects to everybody watching the reality of this carbon -based life.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] But when you're on Ambien and you're calling that temple, you're trying to, like, you're trying to mind -sync with a lot of these Buddhas.

[1068] Yeah.

[1069] I think out on the phone with you, like, and you're like, hey, man, you're at my, I'm fucking hanging out here in Georgia and I was thinking I'd like to join.

[1070] I'm addicted academy.

[1071] Can you have me, Buddha?

[1072] Yeah, maybe.

[1073] Through the phone, you don't even remember it.

[1074] You wake up, you don't even feel like you slept.

[1075] It's because you've been tripping balls all night with some Buddha.

[1076] Well, yeah, I mean, I would love to believe that.

[1077] I think probably what happened is I was one of many fucking high people.

[1078] We probably leave an answering machine every night at that place.

[1079] Stop being so hard on yourself.

[1080] I will.

[1081] Maybe you're a psychic.

[1082] Well, look, you know, man, I think, like, these days, like, the big trick is that we is, like, it's just kind of give, temporarily give up the project of crucifying all the people that you view as being, like, villainous and realize that you're, you've kind of been crucifying yourself, and you're not fooling anybody.

[1083] We all know that you have been tormenting yourself and really you've been so hard a lot of people don't have a mom You know like I see the way my mom my my that's a fucked up Freudian slip I see the way my wife acts with a child and that love and then the children just eat it up Eat it up it's like watching like rain fall and it's like I think of how many people in the world do not have that situation right they don't have it no one's loving them like that no one's eating them up and loving them no matter what and they no one taught them to do it for themselves oh god it's a disaster man and and because of that they've secretly think they're just abject failures they're comparing themselves to like like lebron james you know like when i'm writing i compare myself to like pakowski and i'll look at my writing and be like this is the worst writing i've ever seen in my life well no shit because you're comparing yourself to like one of the greatest writers that the ever lived.

[1084] And so, in my opinion, and so anyway, all I'm saying is like, damn, as planet, on a planetary level, take, you don't have to tell anyone you're doing it, but let's fucking have a little, like, a little armistice, like on that Christmas Eve when the, I think it was the French and the Germans, it's Christmas Eve.

[1085] They all played football together or whatever they played.

[1086] Yeah.

[1087] Let's have a little armistice.

[1088] And for a second, like, just give yourself an hour of not thinking you're the most secretly rotten piece of shit.

[1089] that ever wandered across the planet and just realize you deserve all the love in the world and where you're at is just great and like you're great and I know no matter what you're like someone's listening to this who's like actively who's probably got a bowl of like hot dog shit they're just eating it but but even that just give yourself a break I'm not saying start some bullshit sweet nonsense like be nicer to the people around you I'm saying for just give yourself a 30 minute respite from the never -ending constant secret self -loathing like like horror you've been subjecting yourself to because you know that's it that's going to be a great 30 minutes yeah and if you can do that you'll probably have this inclination towards like spreading that to other people i i would say that could be an inevitable result of that but even if it's not even if you immediately go back to like fuck you motherfucker you fucking I hate your voice I've never heard a more annoying voice than your voice whatever go back to it go back to the war and enjoy it but dear Joe Rogan why you have that cuck with that fake voice on your show spouting out Marxist nonsense he's a yeah it's not fucking Marxism but yeah he's got a fucking Illuminati ring bro oh yeah I wore the fucking Illuminati ring I got it this wonderful store in Nashville oh Jesus Christ Jesus God is scary my instincts are on point though reflexes yeah nothing's dropped stop shit catch it hey dude did you see that naked girl attack the fucking I heard yeah start throwing things and bottles of wine you gotta watch the video can we watch the video okay yeah let's watch it I saw it like briefly on the Instagram and I didn't continue watching I've limited my Instagram intake to positive things only that's great well I mean I'm not sure this is entirely now negative and occasional car accidents I you know this the problem with a lot of these videos man is you don't get the backstory and that to me is like I really want to know why she decided to attack this outback because she put on well I have to blame her parents first of all did you see the couple that fell off the balcony oh yeah oh that was horrible that was horrible they're probably dead no they survived they survived the impact of the head they survived they got they had like bad injuries but they survived she's 53 i didn't think she's 53 yeah she actually looks pretty good yeah she looks great yeah for 53 no i think she just looks great she's out of her mind no wait that's that's way into it okay that's way into it you gotta see the just go to the beginning that video didn't have oh that's where it started yeah why did he taste it like that well because she was running at him and she had been like you got to see the video before and you'll understand like it wasn't like he should have just gave her his number.

[1090] So let's something I get off at six.

[1091] Give her the number after you taste.

[1092] Let's go have coffee.

[1093] Sit down, talk about how you got naked.

[1094] Listen.

[1095] At the Outback Steakhouse.

[1096] I've got passes.

[1097] I've got Appleby's discount coupons.

[1098] You should be like a counselor.

[1099] You know, that's the thing they say about police.

[1100] Like a lot of times these mental health issues, this is one of the defund the police ideas that we, they need mental health counselors, not police to do that kind of work.

[1101] Dude, I've seen it work.

[1102] I've seen it work.

[1103] I will tell you a mental health counselors I'm going to tell you a burning That's what I'm saying about that guy Yes, I agree with that Better I'll tell you a Burning Man story They'll make you make fun of me For a little bit If you want to hear it Well, okay Dude, one a week That's how I'm asking for So a burning man like Oh wait, let's just watch this Fuck the Burning Man store It's starting It goes right to the guy I don't know Well maybe they cut it out They may cut it out They think the funniest part Is like when she gets tasered I don't know I did not need to taser her man Like, honestly.

[1104] Does he really need to taser her?

[1105] You got to watch the whole thing.

[1106] She was throwing bottles out of him.

[1107] What did she say about my sister?

[1108] I don't know.

[1109] Call Brian Casey.

[1110] God, poor Brian Casey.

[1111] Brian.

[1112] Don't have a sexual relationship with the wrong lady.

[1113] This is so crazy.

[1114] I like how she's got sneakers on, but totally naked.

[1115] I think those are flip -flops.

[1116] Are they?

[1117] I thought she had a bikini on when I first saw it, but apparently not.

[1118] But that would be the move.

[1119] What do you mean the bikinis, the move?

[1120] Yeah, you make your point.

[1121] You don't have to go to jail.

[1122] I think you go to jail.

[1123] It doesn't matter what you're wearing if you're demolishing a bar.

[1124] But yeah, she was like hurling bottles at him, and then he tastes her.

[1125] Yeah, yeah.

[1126] That's how it goes, man. What do you mean?

[1127] Well, hang out one of them gals?

[1128] That's how it goes.

[1129] Oh, right.

[1130] A lot of fun in the beginning, not so much fun at the end.

[1131] That was a bad swipe.

[1132] Somebody swiped the wrong way.

[1133] No narcotics in her system.

[1134] Outside of T .H .C. it says.

[1135] Yeah, outside of being out of her fucking mind.

[1136] You don't have to have narcotics to be crazy.

[1137] That sucks to, like, own a bar and someone calls and it's like, yeah, it's like no different from like a bear.

[1138] Or does it?

[1139] They should have their watermark on that bar.

[1140] It would be worth a million dollars in advertising.

[1141] It's a fucking NFT.

[1142] Right.

[1143] Sell it.

[1144] It's an NFT.

[1145] Make yourself with some dogy coin.

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] Oh, my God.

[1148] I thought I, yeah, Dogey coin.

[1149] I just invested in Dogey.

[1150] I thought it was Doge.

[1151] Whatever, you're probably right.

[1152] I'm not paying attention.

[1153] You got to invest.

[1154] We got to drive up the price.

[1155] I got in at 36 cents.

[1156] It seems like Anonymous is mad at Elon Musk for tweeting about a Bitcoin fucking around.

[1157] I thought, I didn't know what anonymous was.

[1158] But is that real?

[1159] What's the thing?

[1160] What's the source of Anonymous?

[1161] That might be artificial intelligence from Russia that created some video to try to to make us think that some people out there are really mad about Elon.

[1162] Typing that in, typing anonymous mad at Elon, 24 hours ago's story on the same website says Anonymous accuses Elon Musk of destroying lives.

[1163] Updated five hours ago, Anonymous denies involvement in anti -Elon Musk video.

[1164] Yeah.

[1165] See, anybody can make a video and say, I'm anonymous, and I think that Elon Musk should eat shit or I'm going to blow the planet up.

[1166] How many times, honestly, how many times have you secretly?

[1167] thought I'm going to make an anonymous video I mean who the fuck is the anonymous spokesperson and are we sure exactly are we sure are we sure this is the anonymous spokesperson how the fuck do we know Wendy's on Tunnel Road in Nashville your time has come yeah just like who's who's the boss here you guys have to have a president like the NRA you can't just run they can't just run around and call yourself anonymous I did see a story yesterday not as deep is this, but there are ransomware attacks happening.

[1168] Not just like that gas pipeline, but there are multiple cities.

[1169] There's like a hospital that was going to have all of their records deleted within five days or something.

[1170] Yeah, go ahead.

[1171] Sorry, Jamie.

[1172] No, go ahead.

[1173] There's like a $55 ,000 payment.

[1174] They're requesting.

[1175] Well, they attacked the meat supply.

[1176] Meat supply, gas.

[1177] They attacked the gas supply.

[1178] They just called this small town.

[1179] The small town, like, was they paid, but they were like, look, we can only get together $8 ,000, I don't you hit up the wrong people here.

[1180] But let's look at this.

[1181] Let's look at this honestly.

[1182] Think about what happened with just right here in Texas when the power went out for a week and everybody panicked.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] Think of what would have happened if the power grid collapsed.

[1185] Like they said, it was like minutes away from collapsing.

[1186] Think of what happened if that's nationwide.

[1187] Think of what would happen if somehow or another China or Russia figured out a way to collapse our power grid.

[1188] through some sort of computer files.

[1189] Think about, instead of China or Russia, one rogue hacker that decided he wanted to do it.

[1190] Forget about a nation.

[1191] What about someone who's doing it for the lulls?

[1192] This is the problem.

[1193] This is why, this is one of the Fermi paradox things, man, which is like, if you look at human personalities, most of us when we get a technology, we're totally cool with it.

[1194] I grew up in the South.

[1195] My dad had a fucking arsenal.

[1196] I've never seen so many guns.

[1197] He had, he had, like, the number of guns, like, a general in, like, Eastern Europe would need, you know, like, that many guns.

[1198] And never, never, the worst thing that happened to him is apparently he, like, was hunting doves, hit a, a vulture, you know, and it threw up on his face.

[1199] is like my mom would like happily tell that story after the divorce but like but that's it with the guns but one tiny percentage of us is so insane that we're going to take that fucking thing and ruin it for everybody else so that is a problem because right now it's guns and definitely computers for sure people have already been using computers to do more than just like I'm going to make a cool app where you can learn out of code.

[1200] People have obviously been using computers, like the people who made the early computer viruses.

[1201] I used to work in my computer lab at my college, and I had like a court board of viruses that I, like, found in computers in the early days.

[1202] Just for fun, you know, it's cool.

[1203] But like, so clearly people are going to do that with computers.

[1204] So, okay, CRISPR gene editing.

[1205] Oh, yeah, right now, if I wouldn't know how to get all this shit, I need to have whatever a CRISPR gene editing thing is or I would never in a million years probably be able to get the stuff to do gain of function you know genetic engineering on things but what about in 20 years what about in 50 years eventually if we have around the entire planet one person who's got a who's butt hurt that's the apocalypse so this is the Fermi paradox where they say like why aren't we seeing things out there in the universe It's because on these planets where they developed a technology that could easily have created a utopia, there was one supreme asshole who was like, let me see what happens if I fuck with the mousepox again.

[1206] Yeah.

[1207] And then just everyone dead.

[1208] Well, you know, I had a bit about that.

[1209] It's that episode of Black Mirror.

[1210] Oh, that's right.

[1211] Why he gets all that DNA from everyone he hates.

[1212] God damn, that's a good, have you ever seen that episode of Black Mirror?

[1213] I didn't finish that.

[1214] That's how it is.

[1215] It's so good.

[1216] I don't want to say anything.

[1217] I don't want to say anything.

[1218] I got so.

[1219] You got to watch it.

[1220] Watching that made me so nervous.

[1221] I couldn't finish it.

[1222] It's so good.

[1223] I got a peeve so bad.

[1224] I'm going to come back.

[1225] You guys talk about black mirror, but I do have a point.

[1226] What were we just talking about so I can remember?

[1227] Viruses, Fermi paradox, super apocalypse.

[1228] I got a beat so bad.

[1229] Go pee, man. Usually it's me. I feel kind.

[1230] That's pretty cool.

[1231] I don't know what happened.

[1232] Yeah, we had two shows today.

[1233] So you got, so you're just playing golf now.

[1234] You're out of video games.

[1235] Oh yeah, hard turn.

[1236] I'm adding that, Jamie.

[1237] No, it's both.

[1238] I'm adding that to it.

[1239] I've always ever, like most Tiger Woods golf back in the day.

[1240] Have you started buying clubs?

[1241] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1242] I went for a fitting.

[1243] I have two drivers now.

[1244] How much is the driver cost?

[1245] They can go up to, I mean, really, I've learned, I've, I'm learning, I'm diving head first into this.

[1246] They can go up to probably a couple thousand dollars, but that's a driver head.

[1247] the shaft, the grip.

[1248] Dude, I had, so, okay, so I had a friend a long time ago who played Burzum to me, you know, like death.

[1249] People always, it's doom metal or death.

[1250] It's like intense, heavy duty, hardcore music.

[1251] And he played it from me when I was really high.

[1252] And I was like, oh, and he said, like, do you feel the pole?

[1253] Do you feel it?

[1254] And I'm like, oh, my God, I feel it.

[1255] It's like hypnotic.

[1256] It, like, draws you in.

[1257] That's how I feel about golf.

[1258] It's close, yeah.

[1259] It's scary.

[1260] Like, you feel this.

[1261] I don't know, because to me, when I look at it, I think that seems like something you should have to pay people to do.

[1262] It's like you're hitting a ball, and it's like with the tools you're using, you're horrible for, you could pick it up, but so many people have given over their entire lives to this thing, indicating it's got to be the most joyful thing on earth.

[1263] But why?

[1264] What makes it so?

[1265] I'm starting to think about it recently, comparing to every other sport.

[1266] The thing I've got on to right now is that it's you versus nature.

[1267] You versus yourself, but it's also you versus nature.

[1268] Because the day you go out there has a lot to do with everything that's going to happen.

[1269] Wind, sun, rain.

[1270] Oh.

[1271] That.

[1272] And then can you conquer that?

[1273] Can you like take the course over?

[1274] I don't know.

[1275] It gets a little way too much.

[1276] I'm not that deep into it.

[1277] No, but when people like when they're playing like pool, most of the conditions are controlled for it.

[1278] Yeah, that's all inside.

[1279] So it's you versus yourself.

[1280] more than that.

[1281] Bowling, controlled conditions.

[1282] Locked into a space, but this is the whole, you have 7 ,000 yards of space to fuck around men.

[1283] Wow.

[1284] And suck.

[1285] Suck a lot.

[1286] You always suck, yeah, yeah.

[1287] But you never get better.

[1288] You're talking about golf?

[1289] Yeah, he just started bringing it up so high.

[1290] Yeah, Jamie's obsessed with hitting the ball far right here.

[1291] Aren't you afraid of getting sucked into golf, man?

[1292] I'm terrified.

[1293] Me too.

[1294] I don't play it.

[1295] But I can't play pool that much.

[1296] I'm getting a pool table installed here soon, but I've been avoiding pool I'm gonna try it I can't have the video games we did the video games for a few months and I was like you get too hooked daddy can't have the video games yeah yeah we got problems because you because you start feeling crazy you start feeling like what am I doing fucking crazy that to me is like protecting my children against wolves it becomes this obsessive thing where it's like I gotta protect the tribe you get locked into these goddamn games because they're so exciting.

[1297] Good God, these days especially.

[1298] I wish I wasn't such a simpleton because if I could fucking just play for like one hour and stop, I cannot.

[1299] Because at one hour, I start getting a better feel of where my cursor's going.

[1300] When I'm moving the mouse around, I get a better understanding of strafe jumping and how to aim with my rail gun.

[1301] Same.

[1302] Can't do it.

[1303] Same.

[1304] I'm too dumb.

[1305] I get too excited.

[1306] I get too locked in, and there's the realization that that's more fun than anything else I do ever.

[1307] The best.

[1308] Other than, like, beautiful things involving people that you love dearly, like real love and emotions and real moments, like regular shit you do, like watch TV, it's never exciting as a game of quake.

[1309] if you and I were sitting in front of two monitors playing quake calling each other pussy's yelling each other laughing when we died it's a cackling ridiculous fun time we would walk out of that studio and our fucking heart would be beaten too fast our adrenaline be pumping as I've gotten in a golf I've started this is only this is what it's about really it's about hanging out with three of your friends playing terribly but drinking beer and talking shit for four or five hours that's what it's really Do you dress up in the golf wear?

[1310] Only if you have to.

[1311] He does.

[1312] He has to.

[1313] That's my rule.

[1314] Because you kind of actually do have to.

[1315] They won't let you play.

[1316] You have to.

[1317] There are weird rules.

[1318] Like I just heard there's a rule.

[1319] I need to have it explained to me. But in England and Scotland on some of these courses, if you don't turn in your card with your handicapped correctly with your score, you're going to be banned from the course.

[1320] Okay.

[1321] So you won't even be allowed to play again.

[1322] So I, you know what?

[1323] I don't want to say it because I don't want to like shit talk on here.

[1324] The point is like, our golf.

[1325] people are a little uptight yeah what are you saying okay i'm saying a friend of mine you're saying they're secretly gay a friend of my one now i'm not saying that's that's how what i got out of it no i that's what i that's what you're the way you were saying it it seemed like that's what you meant most people who work at golf shops i have made love male or female thank god you're the first one to say i was going to say like they're erotic i think everybody's going to go me too it's going to be like that that's seen in Toy Story.

[1326] Look, what's more erotic than golf?

[1327] Nothing.

[1328] A sentence that's never been said.

[1329] But some people love it.

[1330] But some golfer, they're up tight as well.

[1331] Are golfers uptight?

[1332] Well, it's very fancy.

[1333] There's a movie.

[1334] I think about it all the time.

[1335] It's why I think I even like it at all.

[1336] It's called Tin Cup.

[1337] Kevin Costor's in it.

[1338] Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[1339] About in Texas golf, there's two modes.

[1340] He's like this laid -back golf pro.

[1341] It doesn't give a shit about a lot of things.

[1342] And Susan Sarandon's hot as hot as fuck.

[1343] René Russo.

[1344] Isn't she in there?

[1345] René Russo is in it.

[1346] Who's the other one?

[1347] I don't know who it is.

[1348] It's not Susan Sarandon?

[1349] I don't think so.

[1350] Google that.

[1351] I will.

[1352] I feel like that it...

[1353] Definitely Renee Russo.

[1354] He's just going against some pro who's like, it's his life and he's just wanting to make a name for himself one time.

[1355] Just one time.

[1356] Yeah.

[1357] And at the end of the movie it is, but...

[1358] I think I'm thinking of the wrong movie.

[1359] Maybe I'm not, though.

[1360] Golf movies?

[1361] Oh, you're right.

[1362] I'm thinking of a baseball movie.

[1363] There was a baseball movie with Kevin...

[1364] That's right.

[1365] Thank you.

[1366] Thank you very much.

[1367] Yeah, that movie.

[1368] That was a great movie, too.

[1369] Kevin Costor's made some goddamn gems.

[1370] Except Waterworld.

[1371] Hey, guys, accustomed to, you know what's great about Waterworld?

[1372] Waterworld sucks, but that fucking show, a universal that they do, it's really fun.

[1373] Okay, fuck people.

[1374] I'm not you, I'm sorry.

[1375] You know, I love you, but I'm sorry, I disagree with the Water World critics.

[1376] Are you kidding?

[1377] The movie?

[1378] What are you looking for?

[1379] It's hilarious.

[1380] Now it is, but it's like showgirls, but in water.

[1381] What else would you want in the world?

[1382] But no. No, you don't get it.

[1383] Back in the day, it was like a wet, the postman.

[1384] Do you see that one?

[1385] That was his other giant flop.

[1386] By the way, Kevin Costner, I love you to death.

[1387] Me too, Kevin Costner.

[1388] You tried.

[1389] Waterworld, you tried.

[1390] Listen, man, if I made that movie, it was sucked a thousand times worse.

[1391] But you also did dances with wolves.

[1392] I fucking love that guy.

[1393] He's been a lot of great movies.

[1394] That's not my point.

[1395] My point is like Waterworld is not a good movie.

[1396] It's just not good And the postman's not a good movie either They're just not good They didn't work But the water world show At Universal is really good Yeah It's really fun You know what man Somebody worked on Waterworld A lot of people know I know I have friends that worked on Waterworld It's got good reviews on YouTube Of course it does I'm just saying like There's nothing crueller you can say To an artist Than to say you know the thing you made It's not that great But there's a universal right Based on it It's cool that's what they say about Fear Factor Is there a universal Fear Factor Yeah Some other dude does Fear Factor at Universal That has nothing to do with me I'm three people removed It's like that guy And then ludicrous You know about the imposter Blippy You know Blippy?

[1397] You know Blippy is?

[1398] No Blippy is like the new Peewee Herman He's like my kid Do you know Blippy?

[1399] Blippy Blippy by the way I'm sorry I really do love Blippie In the same way we were saying, I love Kevin Costner, I love Blippy.

[1400] Can I just stop for a second?

[1401] I don't think I'm ever doing shows with the lights on again.

[1402] Yeah, this is nice.

[1403] This is my favorite show.

[1404] So that's Blippy, right?

[1405] Now blippy, that's the imposter blipy.

[1406] Which one?

[1407] The one on the right is the imposter.

[1408] The one on the left is the original blippy.

[1409] So blippy.

[1410] So did he eat the original blipy?

[1411] No. So that, the blippy on the left got, there was some controversy because the blipy on the left started doing tours saying he was going to be at the tours, but the blippy on the rest.

[1412] right showed up at the tours and so people are like what the fuck it's not the real blippy it's an imposter blipy what is blippy on blipy's on youtube angry parents are demanding refunds for youtube star blippie's live show the popular kids entertainer previously involved in a poop video scandal it's launching a little larger so i can read all the words launching a live show tour using an impersonator.

[1413] By the way, I'm going to say that again.

[1414] Previously involved in a poop video scandal.

[1415] This is why the aliens won't land.

[1416] You fucking fools.

[1417] You're holding us back.

[1418] The aliens are hovering and then plunging into the ocean.

[1419] Blippy.

[1420] It's a fake.

[1421] You get a fake blippy.

[1422] We can't.

[1423] Not yet.

[1424] You know what it's like?

[1425] It's like a complex souffle.

[1426] You want to make sure you pull it out of the oven at the exact time.

[1427] and the aliens are like, not yet.

[1428] You don't want it to collapse.

[1429] Not yet.

[1430] Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[1431] They got their oven mitts on.

[1432] They're looking through the glass window in the oven.

[1433] Like, not yet.

[1434] They're not done yet.

[1435] They made a fake blippy.

[1436] Like, damn, I thought it was done.

[1437] Not yet.

[1438] He's an entrepreneur.

[1439] I got to say this.

[1440] The aliens, I think blippy is one of the great things about you.

[1441] Scroll back down.

[1442] Hold on a second.

[1443] Right there.

[1444] I didn't find out until five seconds after I submitted my payment and ticket master refused to refund me. said Angelina Sikowsky, who spent $126 on tickets to the New Jersey show.

[1445] Angelina Sikowsky in New Jersey would be a fucking blast to do coke with.

[1446] Ticket Masters didn't seem to have any info about it being an actor on their website.

[1447] The info is buried on the bottom of the Frequently Asked Questions page on Blippie's website.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] It's like Gallagher, too.

[1450] It's the scandal repeats itself.

[1451] Well, look, you know, like, I love Blippy.

[1452] You love Blippy?

[1453] Well, no, but when my...

[1454] What's your favorite thing about Blippy?

[1455] Because what's cool about Blippy is he like, you know, in the way you go to Walt Disney World and Walt Disney clearly respects kids, there's like the toilets or the size for kids.

[1456] And like, there's a sense of like understanding child intelligence as astute as an adult.

[1457] They just don't have the words yet.

[1458] He's really good at that.

[1459] So, like, when he's, like, showing like a fire truck, he's not brushing over anything.

[1460] He's like pointing out all the things that like my, that a kid would be interested in, which is like, what's that, what's that?

[1461] What's that?

[1462] What's that?

[1463] What's that?

[1464] That's what I like about.

[1465] I think it's really like of all the crazy shit that we've watched my kid.

[1466] It's the most like, it like, at least it like acknowledges that children have some like intelligence.

[1467] So that being said, when so you, the way YouTube works is you're just watching blippy videos.

[1468] You know how it is, man. A two -year -old.

[1469] Oh.

[1470] Whoa.

[1471] I found his band video that got him in trouble.

[1472] What is it?

[1473] It was that video.

[1474] It was a Harlem Shake video.

[1475] Wait, show the Harlem Shake not while I'm, like, singing the praise is a blippy.

[1476] God, damn it.

[1477] So he's pooping.

[1478] This is the pooping video that got in trouble.

[1479] Oh, he's pooping on his friend.

[1480] Oh, my God.

[1481] Oh, boy.

[1482] Oh, one more time.

[1483] Rewind that a little bit.

[1484] Don't mean.

[1485] Rewind that.

[1486] I need to see that.

[1487] Okay.

[1488] I was willing to go to bat for him until he just shit all over his friend, like, legitimately.

[1489] This is Harlem shake.

[1490] We have to learn to forget.

[1491] I don't want to say the URL.

[1492] That's how it is anymore.

[1493] All right.

[1494] So this dude gets up and he literally Hershey squirts and empties out on his friend.

[1495] It's a big regret.

[1496] The friend's flinching like a first time porn star catching a facial.

[1497] No, it's friends acting like a roach that got sprayed with some kind of poison.

[1498] It's just bizarre that his friend is lying ass up in the air, also naked while this dude shits on his naked asshole and dick.

[1499] Listen.

[1500] Some things should be illegal.

[1501] I think.

[1502] We have to forget.

[1503] Like, Blippy grew up a little bit.

[1504] He wanted some views.

[1505] He ate bad ramen and shit on his friend.

[1506] It doesn't change the fact.

[1507] Something should be illegal, though, Duncan.

[1508] Shitting on your friend should not be illegal.

[1509] You can't shit in your friend's asshole.

[1510] The apocalypse could come out of that.

[1511] Imagine if the next plague didn't come out of a wool -hand lab, but this guy shitting into his friend's asshole, just imagine if there's something that happened when shit heat shit and it just becomes like some super toxic, evil alien.

[1512] You know, it's like a mad cat.

[1513] cow disease from preons.

[1514] The idea is that a human being, if you, Yuckeb's Kretzfeld disease is when cannibals eat like human spinal tissue.

[1515] That's one of the ways you get it, but they can get that disease from humans eating other human spinal tissue and brain matter, right?

[1516] So they get the preon disease.

[1517] Well, that's the same thing, isn't it?

[1518] Like, would it, because it's not supposed to do that.

[1519] You're not supposed to ever eat your friend's brain, right?

[1520] So nature's like, nature's like, yo!

[1521] This guy, got to die you can't have him eating his friend's spinal column whoa whoa whoa whoa so nature has some like built -in fail -safs to keep you from eating your friends yeah but this motherfucker shitting in his own friend's asshole like nature's not ready for that yet well nature thinks it's fine because blippy's still alive he makes great kids videos so it's okay john started making gross out videos in 2013 under the persona of steasy grossman a boy who was born as poop after his parents had anal sex he makes great kid videos who hasn't been a kid and Logan Paul put up a hell of a fight last night That's right This is We're living in a clown world We're living in a clown world We're living in a clown world We're living in a clown world Logan Paul went eight rounds With the greatest boxer that's ever lived Dude, I mean, like, you, there's no, because there's like, you know, many people, and I think Logan Paul is aware of this, we're looking forward to the satisfaction of watching Logan Paul being knocked out by a great boxer.

[1522] There was a sense of like, we are going to see the hand of justice in the world.

[1523] You can't just decide you're going to fight the greatest boxer that ever lived and come out of that unscathed.

[1524] You're dead.

[1525] We were watching it the way we, like, people used to watch Gladiator things where they would like, you know, put the fucking short -faced big.

[1526] bear out and like let the gladiator fight it you know it's going to happen the bear's going to eat the fucking gladiator but but not in this case in this case it didn't happen but here's my you know it's i wrote an instagram post about it today because i was i was genuinely all day i was thinking before we got before i got here when i was at the gym was working out and i was thinking i was like there's something about that that's really intriguing to me like what is it and i tried to figure out what it was like what about the novelty of the moment like We were, you, me, Tom Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, Ron White, and Curtis, Curtis Nelson.

[1527] We're all sitting in my house.

[1528] We couldn't wait.

[1529] The thing is about to happen.

[1530] We were all like, I can't believe this is happening.

[1531] I can't believe this is happening.

[1532] We're looking at them across the ring from each other.

[1533] Jake Paul's like three feet taller than I'm like, this is bananas.

[1534] This is so wild.

[1535] And he survived.

[1536] And flip me with him like $100 million.

[1537] he made like a hundred million dollars fighting a guy who had never won a professional boxing match The annoying thing It's amazing The announcers weren't acknowledging what was happening Which was like what the fuck The problem is they had too many people talking They had a lot of people talking There was Morrow Yeah How do you say the name?

[1538] Dazzo Samaro Who's the other guy?

[1539] Morrow Ronella already said And there was one other gentleman The guy who got in the ring and interviewed Floyd and anyway there was one, two, three, four guys talking which is a lot of people talking right.

[1540] It's hard to do.

[1541] It's, but it would have been nice to have options is what you said.

[1542] If there was an optional stream we could listen to like Teddy Atlas like a boxing expert because those guys were being funny and they were having a good time and everything like that which is great and I think that like comes from Triller, you know, Triller like you have Snoop Dog fucking around.

[1543] Oh yeah, no, no, I get it.

[1544] I understand what the reason was behind it, but sitting next, I'm not, like, I don't watch boxing a lot.

[1545] So it's cool to be sitting next to you, and you're like, oh, look, he's like trying to drain him.

[1546] Oh, look, he fucked up because in the very beginning he expended too much energy.

[1547] These are things I don't even know.

[1548] So that's all.

[1549] It just added a dimension to it that was interesting.

[1550] Well, I was trying to break it down technically.

[1551] I'm like, there's some interesting things that are happened here.

[1552] Like, first of all, Floyd is consistently putting pressure on him and moving and putting pressure on him and moving, putting pressure on him.

[1553] and after the third and fourth round, everything comes out a little slower.

[1554] So he has to be more measured.

[1555] So what Floyd is doing like is consistently engaging with him and then pulling out and consistently engaging and making him swing and miss and swing a miss. It's brilliant.

[1556] For people that got mad at it, I get it.

[1557] It's not Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather five years ago.

[1558] But what it is is one of the best boxers of all time making $100 million dollars fighting a guy, who's three feet taller than them and 35 pounds heavier than them who can't win.

[1559] It's amazing.

[1560] It's amazing.

[1561] It's amazing.

[1562] Dude, that fight was amazing.

[1563] And there's a lot of amazing things.

[1564] First of all, Floyd's amazing.

[1565] The fact that Floyd has the balls at 44 years old to decide, oh, I'm just going to go ahead and fight some dudes 35 pounds heavy than me and 26 years old.

[1566] It's crazy.

[1567] It's crazy.

[1568] And then the fact that he could put it on a guy like Logan Paul.

[1569] And here's another one.

[1570] the fact that Logan Paul went all eight rounds.

[1571] That's astounding.

[1572] You have no idea how tired you would be if you were boxing with the greatest boxer that's ever lived.

[1573] I mean, maybe he's not the greatest because that's subjective.

[1574] But in my opinion, he's the greatest.

[1575] The reason why he's the greatest, in my opinion, is he's only been hit hard and hurt like three times.

[1576] His whole fucking career.

[1577] There's no one that can say that.

[1578] The art of boxing has always been hit and not get hit.

[1579] And in my mind, no one's ever done that better than Floyd Mayweather.

[1580] Yeah.

[1581] Now, here he is in his 40s.

[1582] He's made hundreds of millions of dollars fighting people who have really no chance of beating him.

[1583] Yeah.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] That's crazy, man. It's amazing.

[1586] Dude.

[1587] There's the controversy of the day.

[1588] Oh, people think he got knocked out.

[1589] He got knocked on.

[1590] He's being held up right here.

[1591] People are so silly.

[1592] You don't understand.

[1593] They don't understand shit about getting hit in the head.

[1594] These are the same dummies.

[1595] He's just hanging up.

[1596] on, man. He's just, he went for an overhook.

[1597] You guys have no idea.

[1598] This position right here, high elbow going in for an overhook, if he was wrestling, he would go back the other way and throw him on his back.

[1599] This is a normal thing for a wrestler.

[1600] Logan was a wrestler.

[1601] In fact, ready for this?

[1602] See how he's got that high overhook on the left -hand side?

[1603] Watch how this happens again.

[1604] This is what happens when a bunch of people comment on fights that don't know shit.

[1605] You see that high overhook, watch one more time.

[1606] So he hits him and now look Look at Logan's right arm, watch what happens, or excuse me, left arm.

[1607] See what happens?

[1608] He's in control.

[1609] He's holding out to him.

[1610] Right, right, right.

[1611] He's a wrestler.

[1612] He's not going limp.

[1613] My friend Guy Sacco, who runs defense soap, that's his company.

[1614] He owns that company that I rave about all the time.

[1615] He told me today that Logan Paul was one of his wrestlers in the 1990s.

[1616] And he said he was really fucking good.

[1617] He says, a really talented kid.

[1618] There's a video of him wrestling with Paulo Costa, who was a youth.

[1619] UFC who is, rather a UFC middleweight contender like a beast of a guy.

[1620] And Logan's fucking scrambles on this guy and like he looks really good.

[1621] Like he can fucking wrestle.

[1622] So when you see that, he's not knocked out, you knuckleheads.

[1623] You stop talking about fighting.

[1624] He's holding on.

[1625] He's protecting himself and he's controlling Floyd and he's pushing his head to Floyd's chest.

[1626] This is what happens when you don't get commentary from a guy like Daniel Kormier or from a guy like Teddy Atlas or, you know, all the Max Kellerman, Jim Lampley, all the people that really understand boxing, you know, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr. Those are the people that are supposed to be commenting on boxing.

[1627] I mean, is Timothy Bradley.

[1628] I think it shows Logan Paul for whatever reason, even though he knows he's like gotten good at boxing.

[1629] He didn't realize that he's become a contender.

[1630] He felt weird about it.

[1631] And so he had funny announcers.

[1632] He wanted that to happen.

[1633] And that was the decision he made.

[1634] I don't think it was his decision.

[1635] I think it was Showtime's decision.

[1636] Well, anyway, you know what?

[1637] This is what has occurred to me. What if Logan Paul starts getting good at other shit?

[1638] Like, it's like people think he's going to keep boxing.

[1639] But the next thing is he gets into fucking chess.

[1640] And he like is like almost beats a grandmaster.

[1641] And then like after chess, he becomes like an incredible like violinist.

[1642] You know what I mean?

[1643] So now you're watching Logan Paul in some symphony doing the, the most incredible.

[1644] Look, it's not impossible.

[1645] Here's the thing.

[1646] It's not impossible.

[1647] It's just going to require a tremendous amount of effort and growth, but it's not impossible.

[1648] See, the difference between someone who tries to get really good at fighting, who's obviously a really good athlete, like Logan Paul, and someone who gets really good at chess is you don't have any inherent advantages anymore.

[1649] Because if you're a strong, fast person, you have advantages.

[1650] And those advantages ultimately trip you up in your mindset of learning.

[1651] right and I realize this from martial arts both from myself and from other people that I watched there's certain people that they were really physically talented and ultimately was bad for them because the physically talented people relied on their physical talents and didn't learn the technique as like cleanly as the people who weren't physically talented right it's there's nowhere that's more true than jiu jiu jitsu in jiu jiu jitsu the best fighters are not the most physically talented people necessarily.

[1652] The best ones to learn from are usually the smaller people.

[1653] Like Eddie Bravo was not a very big guy.

[1654] You know, there's a bunch of people like that Hoyler Gracie, not a very big, Marcello Garcia, not a very big guy.

[1655] But they're super, super, super technical because of that.

[1656] And you learn from them, you're learning the real shit.

[1657] Some people, like, unfortunately, they just get fortunate.

[1658] Unfortunately, they get fortunate.

[1659] You know, where they have, like, these physical gifts.

[1660] And so they're not forced to learn and grow.

[1661] But Joe, this is what we were talking about earlier.

[1662] Here's the problem.

[1663] What happens when suddenly that goes away?

[1664] That entire process goes away.

[1665] So now you're not forced to grow.

[1666] And I don't think that's true, Duncan.

[1667] This is why I'm arguing this.

[1668] This is what I was arguing before.

[1669] This is what I'm arguing now.

[1670] I think we've conflated struggle with improvement.

[1671] Oh, cool.

[1672] I don't think they're necessary.

[1673] I don't think they're necessary.

[1674] I think, listen, if anybody thinks it's necessary, it's me. Dude, I get up at 7 o 'clock in the morning thinking I'm a loser And I can't wait to go to work Yeah, man, all day I hate everything I do I want to work out like a fucking demon Constantly Hey, that's the only way It works like the way it works with me I have to have like a battle to fight So you feel like that might not be necessary My battle's always internal It's always internal Like almost always The thought process behind it Is always my own criticisms of my own work Holy fuck man There's no That's why But that's why, if you look at the numbers or how successful, some of the things that I've done is it's not me. It's like a weird mental illness that plugs perfectly into some endeavors.

[1675] Right.

[1676] Yeah, it's so weird.

[1677] But that's what it is.

[1678] It's like a mental illness that wants to be nice to people, but also wants to want to run.

[1679] I want to go.

[1680] Let's go.

[1681] Yeah.

[1682] Like it's all day.

[1683] Let's go.

[1684] Let's go.

[1685] Duka.

[1686] It's suffering.

[1687] It's like, yeah, I had this, like, weird moment.

[1688] moment when I realized, I realized, like, oh, my God, like, the thing I think of is inspiration.

[1689] A lot of the times it's just me trying to escape from my own suffering.

[1690] Yes.

[1691] Yes.

[1692] That's why you're running so hard.

[1693] That's we're trying to accomplish things.

[1694] We're all trying to escape from our own suffering.

[1695] And I 100 % recognize that.

[1696] And all of my ambition and all of my, like, even like my most aggressive moments, I look at like they're weak.

[1697] It's a weakness.

[1698] It's a weakness.

[1699] It's a weakness to embrace this resistance.

[1700] against the ultimate it's a weakness to to hype up aggressiveness to like compete it's a hundred percent of weakness I'm aware of it while I'm doing it's exhausting it is exhausting but it's also it's sometimes fun too it's like both things right it's like sometimes fun yeah indulge in like the the chimp DNA oh yeah let it loose well you know this is the like this is one of the this is probably I'm sorry my Buddhist friends are I shouldn't even be talking at this point but like Why?

[1701] Because I'm a little drunk, but like a...

[1702] Buddhists get mad when you talk drunk?

[1703] No, but there's some...

[1704] No, they don't get mad.

[1705] Any real, like, anyone who's a Buddhist that you're probably is not going to get like Matt, it's not like that kind of thing.

[1706] It's more like you don't want to like...

[1707] I guess anyone looking at someone in a robe wearing a wig who hears what they're saying and it's like, that must be what Buddhism is.

[1708] That's not their fault.

[1709] In other words, like it's not like to give...

[1710] The idea is like what's cool about Buddhism is it so beautiful and the system is so beautiful.

[1711] And the system is so beautiful.

[1712] that you don't want to, like, you don't want to, in the same way, if you were talking about Jiu -Jitsu, you wouldn't want to say a thing about how to train that was slanted a little bit because you wouldn't want to hinder someone's, like, ability to become good at Jiu -Jitsu.

[1713] Yeah, for sure.

[1714] That's what I mean.

[1715] That's just that.

[1716] So there's this idea of, like, it's samsara and nirvana, like, in other words, like, confusion and enlightenment are wrapped up together, right?

[1717] Or bliss and suffering are actually the same.

[1718] thing like well you know in jiu jitsu they're connected like teaching and improving or radically connected oh inexorably oh you mean like to teach helps you get better yeah right yes but you know you respect jiu jitsu and i and i respect buddhism no i respect both both i know you do i don't but i mean enough to be like where you would want you don't want to convey something i just know jujitsu in an intimate way but that those two things go hand in hand my friend brent he uh we we we were kind of the same level.

[1719] I think we were like purple belts at the time.

[1720] And we always used to have like really good roles.

[1721] And then he, uh, became, uh, an instructor.

[1722] I started teaching people.

[1723] And like right away, I was in danger.

[1724] Like, like, maybe like, I probably, you know, sometimes like, jiu jitsu is weird.

[1725] If you take a class, like, you've been it.

[1726] You've taken classes.

[1727] You know, it's weird.

[1728] Like, you might be in the same class with a guy like four weeks in a row and never roll with them.

[1729] Because there's a hundred people in a class.

[1730] You're rolling with a bunch different people um then one time i rolled with them and also i'm in deep shit yeah i'm in danger and it fucked up my elbow for like like a couple of weeks like i didn't he got me in a camora and i wouldn't tap and i tried to get out of it and i couldn't do chin -ups i was fucked up yeah it was like a lesson but he got way better from teaching from teaching and then i think there's two things going on i think one it's the examination of the the fundamentals and the deep understanding of positions but i also think there's something about helping other people that's like really good for the head really good for the head yeah for sure and there's something about like help when you have your head in a good place you can be freer with your movements yes you'd feel less burdened down absolutely yeah but martial arts there is no there is for sure a hierarchy that acknowledges a you know various belts or levels of expertise it's teacher and like to there's nothing worse i'm sure and i know it happens because i thought what's that great instagram account middojo life oh my god it's so good there was a guy we're on today about a guy like shaking guys off with his shoulders yeah it gets dumber and dumber and the thing is the dude who created that website like he's run out i mean excuse me he hasn't run out of examples so many there's so many examples of the most ridiculous shit so many look at this guy so this is uh by the way this is happening with snoop sounds so snoop's music is playing give me a little snoop are you kidding yeah no watch look at this you put your hands to the side go up and down it's so dumb this guy's pretending that no one like these I don't know what's happening it's like these guys are like bad actors they're falling down and falling behind him look how they're grabbing his shoulders and falling down At this point Here's my worry That's meta My worry is that it's meta My worry is that They're trying to get on Yeah They're trying to get on McDojo Live And they're creating videos Probably This right here Is fucking with me Because these guys are bad actors They have smiles In their faces And he's wearing sunglasses One guy's wearing sunglasses Sunglass guys are a dead giveaway I feel like This is a setup man But it's a funny setup McDojo Live might be behind the camera How about that?

[1731] Oh God You son of a bitch You know, it's like when the government does those things.

[1732] They do black ops, and then they do false flags, right?

[1733] He ran out of videos, man. And he has to keep it going.

[1734] He's got false flags.

[1735] I don't know if they're false flags, bro.

[1736] I love you.

[1737] I'm just joking around.

[1738] I think there's enough people out.

[1739] There might be, and they might just be making these videos to get put up here.

[1740] But at the end of the day, there's a lot of those videos.

[1741] Most of the videos, McDojo, like.

[1742] at Instagram puts up are fucking real and it's disturbing it's a great it's a great account to follow but like all i'm saying is the reason when i'm saying that i'm confused regarding buddhism is because i would never in a million years want to be a so like be the person professing to know a thing they don't understand and like and i think it's important in both usitsu and and in any kind of real any kind of path that like there has to be so acknowledgement that there are actual teachers.

[1743] Like there is a way of conveying the ideas that has been evolved over thousands of years that is the best way to convey the ideas.

[1744] And then there's also people like us who just love talking about it, but it's good to make a distinction because at least you alert people like if you wanted to like go deep into it, there's an Eddie Bravo.

[1745] There's a David Nicker.

[1746] There's a Ram Dass.

[1747] There's a person you could go to if you really want to go deep into it that's there for you or you can just listen to us talk about it and it's and talk about it like us and that's also completely great we don't you know what's interesting man in boxing that exists where people that are not even really good at it are really good at teaching it oh wow that's cool yeah like there's a bunch of people that were one of the some of the best boxing trainers that have ever lived and they weren't great boxers like angelo dundee the guy who trained sugar a leonard and Muhammad Ali?

[1748] Not a notable boxer.

[1749] Emmanuel Stewart.

[1750] A guy who trained Thomas the hitman Hurons.

[1751] That's so cool.

[1752] Gerald McClellan.

[1753] Milton McCrory.

[1754] I mean, Emmanuel Stewart, Lennox Lewis.

[1755] Emmanuel Stewart is a legend.

[1756] Wasn't really a great boxer himself.

[1757] Wasn't a world champion.

[1758] There's a bunch of those people.

[1759] Teddy Atlas is another one.

[1760] I think that's one of the shitty things people say.

[1761] They go, those who do not, can't do it, teach it.

[1762] And it's like, fuck you.

[1763] No, it's not.

[1764] it's not fair dude it's not fair people have genetic advantages they have societal advantages cultural advantages and some people just learn things they're really good at teaching things there's a lot of those out there i'm sorry i gotta pee all right i'll be right back i'll be right back this is so fun i never want to do it because move here we'll do it once a week jesus i told you let's make a deal son come on let's make a deal i've become a production company young jamie if there's anything you like to get made let me know i've got a list oh do you yeah good um what about a pull that up jamie dot com oh that's not even yours no that won't let me have it this son of a bitch that Weinstein fella who i love to death um Eric you can't own pull that up jamie dot com that's rude squatter you're a squatter come on man just because you're my friend eminent domain on a domain but young jamie .com is live and you can get all sorts of like alien abduction shirts pull that up jamie dot com those will be available again soon pull it up you should sell t -shirts on your website that say give jamie back pull that up jamie dot com and make them in a rainbow so people have to go they have to agree with you no make it in a rainbow like a napoleon dynamite vote for pedro shirt but with a rainbow if you put the rainbow in people think you support LGBT issues.

[1765] I was trying to make an NFT.

[1766] Oh, better.

[1767] Even better.

[1768] I saw some interesting talks about that.

[1769] You guys were talking about Logan Paul's that thing.

[1770] He not isn't the reason, but he could arguably be a catalyst to why that got so popular over the last year.

[1771] NFTs?

[1772] Yeah, he sold $5 million worth of NFTs opening a box of Pokemon cards to people that were going to get those cards online and sold the moments of opening them.

[1773] Solid move.

[1774] Yeah, he made a lot of money just doing that.

[1775] Good for him.

[1776] I like him.

[1777] I like him.

[1778] I told you I met him once in Hawaii.

[1779] He's really friendly.

[1780] You meet someone who doesn't mean anything and no one's paying attention.

[1781] That's how you know who they are.

[1782] He was pretty friendly.

[1783] Really friendly.

[1784] Came up with, like, touched my shoulder.

[1785] I'm like, hey, what's up, man?

[1786] I was like right after his fight with KSI.

[1787] That's hilarious.

[1788] Did you shit all over the toilet?

[1789] Like that guy shit on his friend's asshole?

[1790] He didn't shut the door, man. This is soundproof doors.

[1791] I'll get it.

[1792] Jamie's going to go Jamie's got to go Jamie's got to go Jamie's got to go Oh Because I couldn't I couldn't remember How to get out of here man Yeah it's a fucking maze Bro It's like a saw level mate Designed by those military motherfuckers To protect me Yeah that's You know man And like being friends with you That is something I never Thinking about like What would come I never thought He's gonna have Special Forces Type people guarding him What as long as I can keep being me that's the that's the balance the balance is never stop being you if you can figure out how to balance your life out and never stop being you and uh the way i've done that the best give me that join over there this one yeah this one something happened this one got wet the way i figured out how to do it the best is just keep being me just keep being me it's not it seems hard to do but It's just because it's hard to do normally, and it's hard to do mostly because too many people are paying attention what you're doing.

[1793] They're mad at you.

[1794] If you just figure out a way to just be yourself all the time, then figure out a way to just be the best person you could be.

[1795] It can be done.

[1796] But who schedules the guards?

[1797] Like, do you have someone who like...

[1798] Easy, bro.

[1799] On here.

[1800] How do you find them?

[1801] You have people around you that are like, I like them because it's like you...

[1802] Hey, hey, hey, hey, we're on the air.

[1803] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1804] You just said you had...

[1805] Relax.

[1806] You said you had cards.

[1807] I don't, but you're getting specific.

[1808] Okay.

[1809] There's something magnetic about them.

[1810] Think.

[1811] Yeah, they're fucking elite soldiers.

[1812] But the point is, if you could just be yourself and whatever stopping you from being yourself, figure out how to control that and then be yourself again.

[1813] But don't give in to that thing and stop being yourself.

[1814] One of the main problems I've had with this podcast is it keeps growing.

[1815] is people expect me to be someone different now because it reaches more people and like you don't understand that's how it reached more people in the first place and that's all I have to offer okay if I can't do that look I can talk to brilliant people and ask them the best questions I can ask them and try to try to provide you with an insight into how I'm looking at whatever particular weirdness I'm talking about on the podcast but I can't change just because a lot of people are watching more people are going to complain right that would fuck the whole thing up i can't do it what a terrifying predicament to find yourself it's not that bad so you know it's a little it's like it's what's what is you don't have options you don't have things you can do yeah trying to find a way to make a living those are those are real terrors or you live in a communist country that controls your actions right tell you what you can't say i mean i mean people criticize me like here's the thing about cancel culture right A lot of it is like people looking at what they think of.

[1816] Cancel culture reacts differently on different individuals, just like a lot of things do.

[1817] And if you're in a situation where you can get fired, right, like you're working for a major network.

[1818] And if you get criticized, you do something terrible and a bunch of other people chime in.

[1819] And then other people can lose their jobs, right?

[1820] Like different people that are directors or executives or, like, it's a different thing.

[1821] you just got to if you're doing something creative you got to figure out a way to get to a position where you can be independent right that you have to well you have to like i think there's like a it's almost not their fault if they're mad at you if they're trying to mold you if their mortgage depends on it yeah you know it's like it's all set up in a weird way like people think it should be cooperative and like i mean it kind of should be but maybe not Here's the thing.

[1822] It's like you do your shit, I'll do mine.

[1823] And when it comes to someone expressing their self about the nature of the world, they see, it's really important if you want to resonate with people that you come with no pretense.

[1824] You come with no filter.

[1825] You might be wrong.

[1826] You might sound stupid.

[1827] You might say something and the next day you're driving.

[1828] What the fuck did I say it that way?

[1829] Like you don't even know.

[1830] I don't know what the fuck the next word out of my mouth is right now as I'm talking to you.

[1831] Right?

[1832] We don't know.

[1833] Yeah.

[1834] And this is what we're doing, right?

[1835] And while we're doing this thing, we got to acknowledge it.

[1836] It's a weird touch -and -go situation.

[1837] Touch and go.

[1838] I can't believe you said that.

[1839] That's what my teacher's teacher, Tchipa -Ribbache used to say about meditation.

[1840] Yes, touch -and -go, which is like the way we relate with our thoughts is so funny you would say that.

[1841] So the idea is like when you're meditating, the way I meditate, there's a lot of ways about it.

[1842] The way I meditate is you put your attention on your breath.

[1843] and then when you're when you find yourself lost in thoughts you go thinking and return your attention to your breath so this is basic mindfulness meditation but the idea is like you're not suppressing so in other words like if all of a sudden i'm thinking about like some vivid memory from when i was six that i haven't had it's not like you're like thinking back to your breath like you're scared or you're running away or trying to stop it it's touch and go meaning like no that's there be with it but then thinking him back to your breath, touch and go.

[1844] So it gets compared to the way like butterflies land on flowers.

[1845] It's like you're there, but then you go.

[1846] You're not stuck to it as all.

[1847] Touch and go.

[1848] That's a cool thing that you just said, man. Well, all random interactions that you can't predict are chaos.

[1849] They're all wild and unpredictable.

[1850] If you can't predict them, you don't know what's going on next.

[1851] You don't know how it's going to end.

[1852] You don't know how it's going to go down.

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] You don't know how any conversation is going to take place.

[1855] and people are all judging post you're judging post weird neural interactions between two human beings spouting out noises that have meaning attached to them and you're trying to like wrestle your way through this weird conversation depending upon a lot of factors maybe you got a ticket on the way over there maybe you haven't slept right maybe you aren't taking your vitamins who knows what the fuck is wrong with you this is intention this is where intention comes in because it's like some people you will sit down with who are talking to you and they have a real intention maybe it's to sell you a car right to get you into some weird fucking cult to fuck your wife who knows what it is yeah to what to get you to dance to get you to dance right gonna have a dance off yeah it's like intention man and it's like people and it's hard because it's confusing for people don't want to acknowledge the the reality sometimes people can have a legitimate intention to like how help but they're a little confused and so the shit gets mixed up and so what what ends up happening is something that in the moment if you freeze that moment in time and lay that is the only reality of what this person is oh my god you've got a monster friends but if you recognize this is a process you're looking at like a process this is one part of a process that maybe i know you don't believe this but i do extends through lifetimes i don't not believe it I'm glad to hear that yeah no I don't I don't yeah I'm less convinced every day I have any idea I don't not believe it but I don't believe it you know it's a really maybe the problem with like right now the problem is like people are getting confused regarding their identity so so people are beginning to think their identity is a singular thing and they're not willing to admit that they're a process and so it's a it's fundamentally like disastrous to imagine this is the case you know it's like you look at a tree you're seeing the process of a seed that's not a tree that's a river of molecules flowing into time that looks like a fucking tree right it used to be a seed that a bird shit out and it's like if you look at some of the most majestic trees and imagine that at some point that was in like a crow's asshole you know what i mean it's like what the fuck but it's like and it but this is a process so i think the problem right now I was like, we got to acknowledge that we're all a process.

[1856] And the way to like, like if it's part of that process, someone is manifesting aggressive traits that are fucking with society, the answer is not to imagine this is who this person is, but to recognize like, oh, this is something you're going through right now.

[1857] This is a display right now.

[1858] And also recognize you could be that person if you live their life.

[1859] Yes, exactly.

[1860] That's the problem.

[1861] them is determinism versus free will.

[1862] And I don't think either one of them are absolute, right?

[1863] Look, I mean, like the whole determinism, free will thing, I've heard it described as absolute and relative reality.

[1864] It's easier to acknowledge that both simultaneously exist and try to imagine one over the other.

[1865] It's like on one level, we're all, who knows what, if you zoom far enough out in the universe, we're clearly a hole on or whatever.

[1866] But on another level, there's a Oh, yeah, the totality of a thing.

[1867] Like the, I think that's called a Holon.

[1868] Really?

[1869] Yeah, H -O -L -O -N.

[1870] Could be wrong.

[1871] Jamie, please look it up, so I don't get like a million tweets correcting me about my mis -fucking communication of a word.

[1872] That's a dope word.

[1873] Hold on.

[1874] Could be wrong about that, though.

[1875] Yeah, could be wrong.

[1876] God, I hope I'm not wrong.

[1877] It sounds super similar to when, like, Hawaiians get mad at white people.

[1878] It's a city in Israel, so it's not that.

[1879] Philosophy, correct?

[1880] Yeah.

[1881] So it says it's something that is simultaneously a hole in and of itself as well as part of a larger holon a holon so at some point we're a holon at another point that's a dope word there's a joe and there's a duncan and these two things are happening simultaneously so they both can happen simultaneously so this is called relative reality and absolute reality and we have to accept that both exist well not just both exist dude but when you talk neil de grouse Tyson told me that he thinks that there are infinite universes and there's infinite duncans doing infinite things.

[1882] Not he thinks.

[1883] He didn't even say he thinks.

[1884] I'm phrasing it wrong.

[1885] M theory.

[1886] He was explaining to me this theory of infinity.

[1887] Yeah.

[1888] That not only is there a you, but there's a you who's done everything you've done.

[1889] Yeah.

[1890] And then there's a you who's slightly deviated from that path.

[1891] Yeah.

[1892] Infinite numbers of times.

[1893] Yeah.

[1894] And there's another that's slightly deviated from that.

[1895] It's impossible to imagine the numbers that are involved.

[1896] Dude, it's not impossible to imagine.

[1897] Go to the airport and look around That's all you.

[1898] That's all different versions of you and different lives doing different things.

[1899] It's all you.

[1900] You don't need to go any further than your local target and take a look around at the multiverse.

[1901] It's true.

[1902] That's what pains us so about homeless people.

[1903] Yeah.

[1904] We realize that could be us.

[1905] If you're honest with yourself.

[1906] If you're honest with yourself.

[1907] If you were that kid who became that, you know, abused person in a shelter at 14, who became that kid on the street at 16 who is now in a tent by the lake why why because he's a loser is that really what it is like so helping people by like telling them that they can camp out that's not enough that's like at least you're not but the problem is like they want to be closer to all the shit that's happening but you can't just like take over ground because other people say no where you're camping I've decided since it's a sidewalk you're using I'm going to build a fort and they just build a fort and they just build it little fort on that sidewalk you can't put shit uh if you can't have a tent you can't have a house if you can't have a house you can't have a tent okay no you can't just put tents everywhere but it doesn't mean that you don't understand that these people they got here somehow or another they got fucked over but I think you if you really like I fucked them over right you want to understand how beautiful humans are right now because you realize like in the human spirit is a thing that is like all right I guess I'll let you put your tent there because I want I don't I don't want to like impinge on your life you want I want them to feel better yes but it's okay man put your tent down yes so you look at that and like like subtract everything other than that feeling in a person which is like I know you're me and I know you're me in a different timeline and so I'm gonna I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna trust the process and let you do this thing and then you get this collision between that and the other version of you who are on the same timeline or on a different timeline that are like, yeah, but that's where my business is that I, and so now you have these two colliding possibilities, and we don't know how to deal with it yet.

[1908] We don't know what to do.

[1909] It's like so brutal because like on one side you have like the most incredible, the stuff that like the heart of Christ, the deepest compassion, which is like, you or me. When, you know, Jesus says, love your neighbor is yourself, He doesn't mean pretend that you were in your neighbor's shoes.

[1910] He literally means those are you.

[1911] Your neighbor is you.

[1912] You should love your neighbor because they are you.

[1913] Love your neighbor as yourself.

[1914] That's you.

[1915] So now, if suddenly we're dealing with this reality from a, from like, what are we going to do, Joe?

[1916] Because now it's like, yeah, great.

[1917] You have this incredible podcast and you have like achieved this like amazing apex in this little period of human culture that we're in.

[1918] But it's like, what about all the non -use, especially the ones who are, like, camping out?

[1919] You know what I mean?

[1920] Now what are we going to do?

[1921] If you look at things like that, which is actually, this guy, Bob Thurman, Uma Thurman's dad, he's an incredible Buddhist scholar was explaining this to me. Really?

[1922] Umma Thurman's dad is the most...

[1923] It's a Buddhist scholar?

[1924] One of, like, the Dalai Lama's best friends.

[1925] He was, oh, my God, he runs, like, to Bedhouse, Minley.

[1926] He's like, and I met him.

[1927] He is such the coolest person he's ever met.

[1928] Wow.

[1929] But, like, what do he say?

[1930] So he said the idea is like when in compassion or in thinking of other people, and God, I'm sorry, Bob Thurman, if I miss quoting you or something.

[1931] This is how I remember it.

[1932] It's not like I'm looking at you and thinking, God, what if I was in that person's shoes?

[1933] It's like you're looking at them and thinking, that's me. I'm looking at me. That's me. I am them.

[1934] This is me. And so in this mindset, this is where you start making decisions.

[1935] And so it's radical and wild because it's not like you do the thing where you're you're like, God, it'd be rough to be in that person's situation as me. You're thinking, I'm looking at me right now.

[1936] In different circumstances.

[1937] And so that's how real compassion starts appearing.

[1938] That's real compassionate because now you're like, oh, fuck, that's me. I must help.

[1939] I'm going to help.

[1940] And that's all that ends up happening.

[1941] You know, we look at these people who we call saints and we're like, oh, God, they're saints, but really what happened is they clicked into that reality and couldn't click back out.

[1942] Right.

[1943] And all that was left was like, oh, I'm just going to help.

[1944] All this left to do is to help.

[1945] I'm just going to help.

[1946] It's all me, you know.

[1947] Well, that's what we've got to get across, right?

[1948] That everybody is you living another life.

[1949] And if we can just come to grips with that and have some sort of, but here's the thing.

[1950] You can disagree with someone if it's you living another life.

[1951] But if you really felt like it was you living another life and you're talking to them, you would have more compassion than if they were some random asshole.

[1952] Yeah.

[1953] You would have more compassion.

[1954] And maybe you'd be able to calm them down.

[1955] Because we all know that every single escalation that people have with each other is usually based on two people.

[1956] It's like maybe one person takes it too far.

[1957] One person gets loud or one person gets physical.

[1958] But I think in many situations, and I'm not blaming the victim, but I'm saying in many situations a lot of interactions between people is dependent upon two humans and how this human approaches this human changes how they are and how they react as a little dance they do and some people are not tolerating any bullshit and they just want to hit you in the face right away and it's it's not your fault if you run into one of those people but they're reacting to probably a lifetime of being punched in the face right that's why this is what it's start swinging on you yeah right that's like if you were them like it's it's hard for us we're always looking at other human beings like this guy's gonna hurt me or he's gonna steal yeah or she's gonna take and this person's gonna do something bad to me right we but if we could get across the idea that we're all the same thing exactly living different versions of the same life yeah like literally that the life is a thing and the life goes through different personalities like like a river goes through creeks, right?

[1959] Like the ocean filters into a river and it goes through creeks.

[1960] That's what the life does.

[1961] And the life does this with all different colors and races and sexual orientations and proclivities and hobbies and intellect levels.

[1962] And it just goes through all those things.

[1963] And the key is recognizing that at the core of who you are is the same thing is the of everybody else.

[1964] It's just that thing is powering different meat vehicles with different personalities and different loyalties to states.

[1965] Yeah.

[1966] And different, you know, different fucking hobbies and things that they like to do and different shields they put up to protect themselves.

[1967] Yeah, man, this is it.

[1968] And, you know, and a lot of people are like, so what do you do?

[1969] You just let someone...

[1970] You vote Democrat only.

[1971] You start doing ketamine.

[1972] You get on the roof.

[1973] You put a magnet on your door.

[1974] dick and hope you get struck by lightning.

[1975] I'm going to vote for the second of those three possibilities.

[1976] But, you know, I think, like, what you just described, by the way, I mean, it's such a beautiful reality, and it's hard for people to understand that.

[1977] A lot of people feel very defensive when they hear a thing like that.

[1978] So I think like...

[1979] Why do they feel defensive, you think?

[1980] Well, because, like, the problem is that there's a narrative happening.

[1981] right now and the narrative generally involves some form of overcoming another person so it's like what's that thing i think voltaire said not that i should succeed but that my friend should fail right you know what i mean so like that's built into the ethic yes and so so a lot of people who've invested their entire lives in a perceived being better than this person or that person they've put a lot of energy into a really horrific mode of existence that isn't really making them happy.

[1982] But I think that's one of the big secrets is like people will like have great achievements.

[1983] And then they'll find themselves in this like weird enclave of other people who have all these great achievements.

[1984] And at the end of the day that, God, I said at the end of the day, I hate that saying.

[1985] But like they literally at the end of the day, they feel so sad and empty and lonely and broken and numb, but they don't want to say it out loud.

[1986] Do you know what it's like?

[1987] What?

[1988] If you don't exactly know where the road is and you're in the desert and there's like some faint roads to the left, maybe some brush in the way and faint roads to the right, but one road eventually has asphalt.

[1989] Yeah.

[1990] And you might take the wrong road.

[1991] You might go left.

[1992] You might be 45 degrees away from that real road and you're like heading towards a mountain and you realize you're fucked up.

[1993] Yeah.

[1994] And if you turn around, it's all dusty.

[1995] You've got to wait to the dust settles.

[1996] You're not exactly sure which way you turn left or right or right or left.

[1997] You got to kind of remember it backwards.

[1998] He's trying to bring yourself back to the spot because you fucked up.

[1999] You took the wrong road.

[2000] You don't want to admit it.

[2001] You don't want to admit it because you're a proud person.

[2002] Because your dad told you suck it up, Duncan.

[2003] You don't ever admit you took a wrong turn.

[2004] Ever, ever.

[2005] I don't give a fuck if that lady has that.

[2006] God damn map.

[2007] Put the fucking map away, woman.

[2008] I'm flying by my gonad.

[2009] driving into this fucking mountain.

[2010] And you do.

[2011] I'm using my North compass.

[2012] This is, okay, so like one of, there's, I have many Buddhist teachers I love.

[2013] One of them is called Sharon Salzberg.

[2014] I repeat this saying she has to myself every other day, which is the healing is in the return, meaning that if you fucked up for 50 years straight and you've been making the wrong decision every day for 50 years and you have, your ego is because, your ego is because.

[2015] I'm so invested in this pattern that you're like stuck.

[2016] What she's saying is it does, like all those 50 years of like going off track, the moment that you admit it and you're like, oh, fuck, that was wrong.

[2017] That was not the way I want to be and go back to where you were at.

[2018] It's the most glorious reunion with a you that you forgot even existed.

[2019] The moment you, which is like, by the way, I just, I. Let me ask you there.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] How do you extend that to like people that have done horrific things?

[2022] Like how do extend that to genocide?

[2023] To Hitler.

[2024] Yeah.

[2025] How do you imagine a world where Hitler's forgiven?

[2026] Whoa.

[2027] I just had this brilliant guy, Neil Allen.

[2028] Don't answer this.

[2029] This is going to get you in real trouble.

[2030] Either way.

[2031] No. I just had this brilliant guy, Neil Allen.

[2032] I got to pee again.

[2033] I'm so embarrassed.

[2034] Let me finish this thought.

[2035] Neil Allen on my podcast, very, very, very smart.

[2036] He gave this exact exact exact.

[2037] example with Hitler.

[2038] Oh.

[2039] So you see you look at Hitler.

[2040] No, you don't listen to my podcast.

[2041] It's a hack moment.

[2042] My point is you look at Hitler and you realize that like the idea is like the time travel thing.

[2043] You go back at time.

[2044] You're afraid of Hitler.

[2045] You look at Hitler and you recognize with Hitler.

[2046] This is me. If I had gotten in the worst kind of fucking life, I could have been this.

[2047] And then knowing that's you, you shoot him in the fucking face.

[2048] Because that's the right thing to do.

[2049] If you're on an airplane and someone's, It's like, I'm getting into the cockpit to fly us to the Hollow Earth.

[2050] You can look at that.

[2051] You know what I mean?

[2052] You can look at it.

[2053] Did you see the new King Kong?

[2054] Are you kidding?

[2055] I love Hollow Earth shit.

[2056] And of course I saw the new King Kong.

[2057] My point is, like, you look at that person and you look at them, but you're like, that could be me if I'd eat more edibles before this plane took off.

[2058] But that doesn't mean you're like, so go in the cockpit.

[2059] Let's go to the Hollow Earth.

[2060] You stop them.

[2061] Right.

[2062] You know what I mean?

[2063] And so we can have compassion and realism and, like, justice simultaneously, the two things don't have to be completely separate things.

[2064] That's all.

[2065] I'm sorry.

[2066] I know you have to piss.

[2067] No, you're 100 % right.

[2068] That's a really good point.

[2069] It's very good.

[2070] But it just, like, I think all this is dependent.

[2071] Like, the reason why these conflicts exist, like, what you're just talking about is dependent upon whether or not people have embraced the idea of that we're all the same thing.

[2072] if we embrace the idea that we're all the same thing just if we could just figure out a way to use that and just put it in the back your head yeah write it down and stick it in your wallet yeah just write that write that we are all the same thing we are all living different lives with the same thing different living different lives if you could meet a person on the street and think about them and don't do don't get mug doing this then blame me Joe rogan said pretend this that dude's the same as you fucking kicked me to dick and stole my watch.

[2073] I'm sorry.

[2074] Okay?

[2075] Don't listen to me. I don't want to give advice.

[2076] Maybe I should stop framing things in the way of advice.

[2077] Maybe that's my problem.

[2078] Yes.

[2079] Duncan, when are the UFOs landing?

[2080] Come on, man. If you knew, would you tell me?

[2081] Yeah.

[2082] Would you really?

[2083] Would you do it over the phone?

[2084] I love you're acting like you don't know me. Would you tell me?

[2085] Or would you tell me to, like, put my phone in a bucket and walk into a lead room?

[2086] You're being so funny.

[2087] You know that if I knew, like, if I some avenue, I got actual information about the UFOs.

[2088] Right.

[2089] You know that within, like, as soon as I could get a place away from the people that told me that have to be calling you.

[2090] You would get real nervous, man. You'd think I'm working with the feds.

[2091] I don't care.

[2092] You give me the look.

[2093] Dude, if you're looking for the, I don't care.

[2094] I don't care.

[2095] Like, to me, like, that's what's great about friendship.

[2096] is it transcends all that shit.

[2097] You're, if you, I know.

[2098] I would tell you first.

[2099] I would tell you first.

[2100] I would tell you right away.

[2101] I would call you right away.

[2102] Dude, you're not going to fucking believe what I know for sure.

[2103] I might have to get a fake phone to call you.

[2104] Dude, I'd be calling you from a fucking 7 -Eleven phone.

[2105] And we both be like, shut the fuck up.

[2106] You don't know when you think about the UFO.

[2107] Dude, I want to believe so bad.

[2108] I don't trust myself.

[2109] Oh, my God.

[2110] I don't trust myself, Duncan.

[2111] Dude, I just had my friend Jason Louve on the.

[2112] the show and like I got because like I'm trying to get into talk about aliens and like he's like so smart and he's like getting into like it's probably a distraction but every once in all he's saying to me do you want to believe Duncan I'm like yes I want to believe I do want to believe but you know what here's the thing with the alien shit I got annoyed someone on Twitter sent me a message because like I guess some leak came out and they're like it's not aliens and someone sent me a message saying see it's not aliens no that was a really poorly um um titled article that's all that was now i i shouldn't say poorly titled but they just did it because that was like the best way of yeah getting people to click on it yeah whatever if you just say something's not aliens people will click on what is it but here's the thing i don't care who the fuck is making that thing right i care that it exists exactly that's all that matters thank you so that's it that's real well Here's what's real.

[2113] Something went 80 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet above sea level in less than a second.

[2114] Yes!

[2115] This is all tracked by multiple sources, including the best weapon system the fucking Navy has to offer.

[2116] And you've got commanders, like a guy like David Fravor, who is like literally a top -notch fighter jet pilot who has a deep understanding of these weapon systems and they're locking in on this thing that looks like a tick -tac.

[2117] And it zooms away what they estimate be thousands of miles an hour what the fuck are you talking about yeah you don't think that's bananas who i don't care what is the urge to dismiss that yeah like when you get a guide like a david favorite who's like he's never told another story like that since he says the guys that he was working with had seen multiple things just like that for a couple of weeks it wasn't a unique thing it was just like they went face to face with it that's what they were saying bro you got to listen to him on the lex freedman podcast okay lex does a fucking amazing job because they go deep into all sorts of uh aviation talk so all this talk about uh how to fly these things and the weapon systems and lex lex lex is uh he does AI right for he used to do it for mit and he runs as the lex freedman podcast he's a brilliant heard of him i don't know much about i got to put you guys together he's brilliant but the point is they're talking and so he understands this kind of crazy super technical lingo and he indulges David Fravor in this explanation of the weapon systems that they use and the visual systems and all the different things.

[2118] They can shuttle back and forth between different sources.

[2119] It's wild shit, dude.

[2120] So people that don't understand that and never heard that guy talk about those things, they don't understand how specifically they know this thing moved off at thousands of miles an hour instantaneously with no visible means of propulsion.

[2121] I got you.

[2122] So a lot of people, they see these fucking videos that have been verified by the Pentagon and they dismiss them.

[2123] And they dismiss them because they're like, look at it.

[2124] It's criny.

[2125] You could have done a better video than that.

[2126] And they don't understand the technology behind what picked that up at all.

[2127] Like the fact that we picked that up at all is insane.

[2128] Pitch black at night, you know, miles away.

[2129] Right.

[2130] That's less than HD.

[2131] It's not really.

[2132] real look at that some of it is night vision like those little pyramid things that were flying over those things there was in night vision some of them they're in infrared right yeah exactly there's this i can send you this one thing jamie because there's this one guy who does a really good job of this there's a one guy that jeremy corbell sent me and uh this guy does a really good job of uh explaining why there's no way that these things whatever the fuck they are could be like a goose like people have called a goose a goose Yeah, like people have said, like, maybe it's a goose.

[2133] And this guy who is a, he's a fighter pilot.

[2134] Like a goose?

[2135] What, like, what, like goose?

[2136] Geese are going out to aircraft carriers and harassing them?

[2137] Listen, man, people love to believe, whether they believe this way or that way.

[2138] They don't necessarily want to believe in the truth.

[2139] A lot of times they do, and a lot of times maybe they're like 80 % right.

[2140] Yeah.

[2141] But they're clinging to this idea that.

[2142] Left is the way.

[2143] And maybe sometimes you've got to go right.

[2144] And maybe sometimes you've got to recognize, like, yeah, you're right.

[2145] A lot of this stuff is nonsense.

[2146] A lot of this stuff is hoaxers.

[2147] A lot of this stuff is people.

[2148] A lot of this stuff is people seeing Venus and not understanding what they're looking at.

[2149] But a lot of this stuff doesn't make any fucking sense.

[2150] When they have multiple sources, radar, they're tracking these things on weapon systems, on two different jets.

[2151] Like this is banana stuff, dude.

[2152] This is something with no visible means of propulsion?

[2153] You have a fucking Air Force pilot who never in a million years wanted to be on camera who just likes flying those crazy...

[2154] Or do we?

[2155] Maybe it's an Android, Joe.

[2156] You know, are useful idiots.

[2157] It could be an Android.

[2158] Maybe he's not even a real person.

[2159] Well, it could be an Android.

[2160] This is the guy.

[2161] This is the guy.

[2162] And he's basically explaining how sophisticated and complicated these systems are.

[2163] And one of the things he used, if it was not on this video, It was on another.

[2164] He said, catching one of those things on one of these weapon systems just randomly without any other input, whether it's radar or any communications from something else, would be like looking at a, finding a person through a straw.

[2165] Wow.

[2166] Like, trying to, like, spot something through a straw.

[2167] Like, you're just looking at the random sky.

[2168] Like, they have to lock onto these things.

[2169] I have to pee again.

[2170] Me too.

[2171] So what do we do there?

[2172] Should we end this?

[2173] Yeah.

[2174] It's kind of late.

[2175] It's 723.

[2176] We've already done three hours, right?

[2177] That's so weird, man. Jesus Christ, we started $3 .20.

[2178] Thank you.

[2179] 420.

[2180] This is perfect because we don't extend our welcome, over extend, our welcome.

[2181] Yeah.

[2182] Catch a buzz.

[2183] Get some food.

[2184] Duncan, you're the best.

[2185] You're the best.

[2186] And we'll start our once -a -week show in September.

[2187] Yeah, you know what?

[2188] September 11th.

[2189] You know, I was already coming here anyway because I have to work on some stand -up.

[2190] That's what I'm saying.

[2191] So that's what we do.

[2192] Yes.

[2193] We'll do like a month.

[2194] Anytime you want to come down here.

[2195] let's do it like let's do it like a month of regular podcast so people get so sick of it yeah just do it once a month come back once a month yeah once no let's do once every two months i'm gonna come for a month no i'm gonna come for a month straight whoa and then let's do once a week and then like you're gonna Airbnb if you do don't use tim dillon as a reference they don't like them are you joking he fucks up Airbnb's no no no no he talks shit about this one couple this uh lesbian couple that owns a, in my opinion, fucking dope house.

[2196] And they kicked him off Airbnb.

[2197] Dude, I'm sorry, but if you get kicked up Airbnb.

[2198] That's crazy.

[2199] That's brutal.

[2200] Tim Dillon is a savage.

[2201] But getting kicked up Airbnb is rough.

[2202] That's rough.

[2203] He'll find a way.

[2204] He can do that other one, vermal.

[2205] Whatever he does.

[2206] Listen.

[2207] There's a new Airbnb.

[2208] It's called Vermil.

[2209] Only left dishes in the sink.

[2210] That wasn't the problem.

[2211] The problem was the shit talking.

[2212] We got to stop Airbnb.

[2213] Well, they have cameras.

[2214] Internet shares horror stories of rising fees, filthy homes, and scary hosts.

[2215] And can I stop here?

[2216] Also, great experiences that nobody fucking writes in about.

[2217] Yeah, but if you're fucking in Airbnb, someone's watching.

[2218] If you're fucking in Airbnb, there's an 80 % chance.

[2219] Someone's watching that.

[2220] Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for everything.

[2221] Duncan Trussell, Jamie Vernon, and Joe Rogan.

[2222] Signing out.

[2223] Hary Krishna.