#1610 - Snowpocalypse with Tim Dillon

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Wouldn't be cool you have like Arrowsmith right now?

[4] I'm back.

[5] Yeah, I'm great.

[6] I'm back in the saddle again.

[7] Great.

[8] There's no apocalypse him, Dylan.

[9] Hey, holding up.

[10] Did I move you out here at a bad time?

[11] Do you think?

[12] I mean, we considered suing you.

[13] I was sitting there going, can I take legal action?

[14] against him like I called a lawyer and apparently I cannot listen I'll give you free meals yeah every time we go out forever we were I mean I was on a bread line two days ago my opener flies in a town we're gonna fly out for shows all the flights grounded we can't go anywhere I mean we're waiting outside of a supermarket for an hour and then we're eating fish sticks in the dark of my house with no power and I'm like you know Joe fucking Rogan man uh this was a real fucking leap of faith but it's looking better today it'll be fine it'll be fine it was a once in they're calling it a once in a hundred and twenty year storm but i think what that means is like ever recorded like you go back to 1800 so what we're talking about or 1900 rather like when what was the what kind of fucking instruments were they yeah what were they what were they jotting down was the big thing back in those days and i don't think they had how did that work because that fucking thing was apparently kind of accurate it's kind of witchcrafty it's crazy yeah they would I predict like next year's winter cycles.

[15] Yeah, and harvests and things like that, yeah.

[16] What did they do?

[17] How did it work?

[18] Well, it was just wild driving around Texas and seeing nothing but snow.

[19] And it looked like Vermont.

[20] It looked like you were in the northeast, but it didn't.

[21] It was like wild to be in Texas driving around and nothing was open.

[22] Yeah.

[23] So like gas stations weren't open.

[24] Fast food wasn't open.

[25] Nothing was open.

[26] No. You know?

[27] I'll tell you what was open to Houston airport.

[28] boy, Ted Cruz is like, yeah, he was out.

[29] And by the way, isn't it sad that, like, he couldn't get away with it?

[30] It's like, here's the thing about the Bush family.

[31] Say what you want about them.

[32] Maybe whacked Kennedy, bygones.

[33] But, I mean, now our leaders can't even get caught taking a commercial flight to Cancun.

[34] Like, that's pretty sad.

[35] But here's the thing.

[36] Like, what can he do?

[37] What is the reason for him staying?

[38] Well, I think it's just the optics of how it looks.

[39] Yeah, but of course.

[40] No, he doesn't have any of...

[41] Can he make it warm out?

[42] No, I don't think he has any power to do anything good.

[43] Maybe he should be there with blankets.

[44] Yeah, well, it's funny.

[45] It's like the people that hate him the most are the ones that are like, he should be there.

[46] And it's like, doing what?

[47] Well, here's the thing, though.

[48] He was one of the vocal critics of Mayor Adler, who's a Democrat, who went to Cancun as well.

[49] Right.

[50] Everybody goes to Cancun?

[51] I think he was in Cancun.

[52] Was he in Cancun or was he in one of those?

[53] He made the thing out of the house.

[54] Yes.

[55] But it was in Cancun or was it Portoviore?

[56] It was one of those nice places in Mexico.

[57] Yeah, and he wanted.

[58] And he's the mayor of Austin?

[59] Yes.

[60] He went down there and he was saying, now is not the time to relax.

[61] Cabo.

[62] Cabo, yeah.

[63] So he went in there, what?

[64] I mean, that's the place to relax.

[65] I mean, fucking Sammy Hagar has got a song about it.

[66] I mean, it's crazy to watch.

[67] It's also crazy that he got caught and then he came back.

[68] Well, he said, I was always coming back.

[69] I was being a good father.

[70] So you had to put a spin on it Yeah, I was dropping my fan I feel, because Ted Cruz has the face of the guy That always is caught Like he looks like the kid at school Who gets in on the prank too late And then the teacher catches him Like he just looks like he gets caught He's not He's not one of those guys who gets away with it No matter what happens He doesn't get away with it No, he's He's Did you ever see those videos that they made Where it was, I don't know Who released the full video The videos that they made Where he was running for president and he sat down with his mom and he was talking about, you know, I go to church every day and she's like, every day.

[71] Right.

[72] His mom threw him out of the bus.

[73] Like, yeah.

[74] Every day.

[75] Yeah, yeah.

[76] I was like, bitch, you don't go to fucking church every day.

[77] And it was like they had a retake scene.

[78] And it was.

[79] Oh, the whole thing's a nightmare.

[80] But they showed it.

[81] How about somebody from the wife's group text leaked because they were inviting neighbors going to come to fucking Cabo or wherever the hell, come to Cancun.

[82] Yes.

[83] And somebody leaked.

[84] it to the New York Times going, here's the group text, proving they were inviting us all.

[85] I wonder how many moms were in that group text.

[86] Too many.

[87] Yeah, these are the video.

[88] Oh, this is great.

[89] But these things are always gross, man. Those like sit down with your mom.

[90] Let's pretend the camera's not here.

[91] Right.

[92] Tell everyone how good I am.

[93] I'm a good person, right, Mom?

[94] I'm a God -fearing Christian.

[95] Tell everyone what a good person your son is.

[96] Yeah.

[97] He was very good, though.

[98] I have to give him props because there was this.

[99] one situation where what was it it was a tech thing where he was fuck i don't remember god damn it we talked about it on the podcast jamie do you remember what it was where he was calling them out for god it's escaping me but i was actually kind of deplatforming people or privacy yes it was it was like here it was a video of him from the summer he's like who the hell or who is he who is he critiquing though who is he criticizing google yes and it says ted cruz on google and big tech censorship yeah there was a who the hell are you to decide who can speak there was he was catching them in some hypocrisies and some lies and it was like it was very good the way he was doing it and well phrased like you got to give a little if you're going to shit on the guy i was i was that fucking tech stuff drives me crazy right it drives me crazy and the people on the left that think it's not going to come for them right well they're all moving here all these tech guys are in austin like a lot of them are moving here and there are some of them that are more uh i don't know what you would call it libertarian in their ideology where they don't want to shut people down and they want people uh to speak but there's just so much i don't know it just feels like your there's a tide coming in and the tide is going to wash away even those people that are standing up and saying this isn't right we shouldn't do this i just feel like because people are tired like the public doesn't care and i get it the public doesn't care the public's like you know what i don't care who care i like you don't think they care i think some of them do but i think it's one of those things that it doesn't affect that many people and if it doesn't affect that many people it's hard to necessarily get up and arms over it like when gina krono gets fired people are like okay like it doesn't affect that many people most people work at jobs where they're not allowed to say anything.

[100] So they work for corporations and go into an office.

[101] They can't say anything, right?

[102] And they kind of like it when people get in trouble.

[103] Yeah, they love when people get in trouble, especially when people outside of the system that are making money get in trouble.

[104] So people aren't really as upset about it and they don't think it's going to lead to where it's going to lead to where it's going to lead to Alex Jones.

[105] It's like it's clearly going to lead.

[106] It's not going to die with Alex.

[107] It's going to go other places.

[108] Right.

[109] Once you're getting rid of the freedom of the First Amendment, right?

[110] The freedom of speech, which is, you know, as long as you're not doxing someone or openly.

[111] threatening someone or doing something like genuinely horrible right you should be able to speak your opinion because we have to figure out who's right and you can't say you're not right so you can't talk right because then the people that have the power to hit that switch yeah which is right now the people that are on the left that are in charge of tech right they're going to hit that switch whenever they disagree with people well it's weird because they also have billions of dollars if you go on the clubhouse app and you listen to these people talk they are there I know you don't but they are billionaires or worth hundreds of millions of dollars and their concerns are always like you go into the app and somebody's like we need more indigenous creators we need more indigenous entrepreneurs or women of color entrepreneurs or all these goals that are laudable goals whatever but they're then a white guy will come into the conversation and go well he goes I don't really as a white guy I want to apologize for even speaking no this is where to God who's done this this is a guy on Clubhouse That's why I'm not on Clubhouse.

[112] As a white guy, he goes, I want to, but you know, you've got to go into my good rooms.

[113] Like, should women be allowed to own Bitcoin?

[114] That's a real debate.

[115] Did you make that room?

[116] Yeah.

[117] The rooms on Clubhouse I make are like, should women be allowed to own Bitcoin?

[118] I want to be a cancer influencer.

[119] How do you build a brand in prison?

[120] Should I buy a Bitcoin or pay for my son's surgery?

[121] You got to have fun.

[122] The one last night was Ted Cruz has a right to do cocaine with his family in Mexico.

[123] You got to have fun with it.

[124] I troll and just have a little bit of fun.

[125] but on that app you listen to these tech people and one really big tech woman who's massive said like something that was chilling she goes we got to put guardrails up online and as soon as she said we got to put guardrails up I felt chilled because I'm like I know what she means by that and guardrails are just like here's where offensive speech is and we're going to put the guardrail there and then the guardrail's going to move who said this a very big person who owns a major app that just went public Who's worth $1 .5 billion now?

[126] And I'm sure she's a lovely talented woman, but her belief was like, hey, we've got to put some guardrails up online.

[127] But when I heard it, I went, this is a very ominous thing to say.

[128] Right, but hold on.

[129] When someone says something like that, she's probably talking about this Q &ON shit that led to the Capitol Hill riot.

[130] Perhaps.

[131] Or she's talking about somebody calling someone fat or somebody saying someone's a moron.

[132] Or I don't know, but are you really, is it going to be easy to just draw a line around Q &O stuff and then then where's the legitimate discussions about human trafficking and political yeah it's hard it's real hard so i think anybody challenge her no were you in that room yeah why didn't you say something i did i said okay i was like all right i went okay i mean she's a billionaire right so i'm like so what i'm letting these rooms and i just kind of every now and then i throw out like a joke every eight minutes and then i just go back to listening what did everyone else say when she said yes queen no they're in joe they're all in They're on guardrails?

[133] Oh, they want the guardrail.

[134] They think it's a great idea.

[135] Yeah, no. Because nobody wants to give you any of their money.

[136] So they want to solve the world's problems by making everyone nice.

[137] Because they're like, listen, I have a billion dollars.

[138] I don't want to give you any of that.

[139] But I'd like everyone to be nicer.

[140] So that's what tech is.

[141] It's just a weird cognitive disson.

[142] Well, someone found it.

[143] If you want to behave poorly, you cannot do it here.

[144] But where is that?

[145] On Bumble?

[146] But that's her app.

[147] So that's who said it, by the way.

[148] But this is a female.

[149] But hold on a second.

[150] This is a female created dating site.

[151] I think she has the right on her dating site to say, look, I've created this atmosphere where I want people to be pleasant on this atmosphere because it's a female created dating site.

[152] I don't want guys send a dick pics unless I ask for them.

[153] Right.

[154] You know, that kind of shit.

[155] Well, that's fine, but does anyone, I'm just, on her app, it's one thing.

[156] Right.

[157] But no one who wants power and control goes, I'm good with my.

[158] part of the yard.

[159] Most people go, yeah, I want, I think these standards should be enforced uniformly.

[160] That's my experience of like hearing a lot of these people talk.

[161] I think a lot of them are like, yeah, we should step in and curate a better world and create a better world and they think they're doing the right thing.

[162] But there's a huge downside to it, which I don't know if they realize because they just want to, you know, they want to get everyone's data, sell it and make money.

[163] So they don't want anything getting in the way of that.

[164] Yeah, that's the real problem.

[165] Yeah.

[166] The real problem is the consumers have become the product, and they didn't know they were the product, and now the people that were selling them are making insane amounts of money.

[167] And, you know, one of the interesting things that's going on right now is this fight between Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, and Tim Cook.

[168] Right.

[169] Tim Cook at Apple.

[170] Tim Cook is like, hey, you know, just selling ads is good enough.

[171] You shouldn't be selling people's data.

[172] You shouldn't be infringing on people's privacy, and we're going to put a stop to that.

[173] and so Facebook took out this was it a full page ad like what they did something where they published this piece where Mark Zuckerberg was essentially saying that you are going to punish small businesses which is the weirdest see let's see what his argument against Tim Cook was because this was fairly recently Zuckerberg came on a clubhouse for a brief moment what do you say I don't know does not compute yeah he comes on for like a brief moment and then he got out but sometimes people are in the audience in those apps like you'll look you're like motherfucker that guy's everybody's waiting for joe rogan to come on it yeah that's not happening every single person on the app's like why would i do that when is joe roguer go on the app because i said what joe rogan really wants to do is spend four or five hours a night talking he wants to talk yeah he wants to listen yeah i want to listen but i i we want you to come on for a fun night to just blow it up me the winstein family listen those people who love me and now they hate me they hate me the winesteins no the winesteins love you but eric is very sensitive Well, yeah, I made fun of them because I said all these gurus, what have they ever done?

[174] I'm like, and Lex Friedman loved it.

[175] I said, what are these guys?

[176] If they invented the rotato?

[177] What do they do?

[178] It's the thing that peels and slices the potato.

[179] I'm like, have they ever had an invention?

[180] And then they got mad, and they were like, well, this is not good.

[181] But I want to do a video.

[182] No, no, no, no, more than that.

[183] He actually went on Twitter and said, he flamed me. Tim Dylan asked What have I ever done?

[184] And then he starts listing all the things he's done.

[185] That's always a mistake.

[186] It's wild.

[187] That's not a good thing.

[188] It's why you're arguing with a man who wears a wig sometimes.

[189] So, him or you?

[190] Both, probably.

[191] But I was talking about myself.

[192] But I wanted to do a video where I impersonate him, Brett, and Heather.

[193] And I might do it.

[194] I just got to get.

[195] You should do it.

[196] I might do it.

[197] Yeah.

[198] And we have a Lex Friedman, like a little baby in a suit as Lex Friedman will put him there.

[199] Yeah, I like it.

[200] They're all very smart, but it's just like, listen, man, comedy is comedy.

[201] You've got to have fun.

[202] Yes.

[203] You've got to have fun.

[204] You can't get upset if, listen, if you've done all those wonderful things.

[205] Yeah.

[206] And then someone comes and makes funny, you go, what have you done?

[207] Right.

[208] You've got to just let it go.

[209] I said that you guys left L .A. because my podcast was bigger than yours, which is provably untrue.

[210] That's provably not true.

[211] And I said, Tim Dillon said, I left L .A. Because his podcast is bigger than mine.

[212] That is not true.

[213] Here are the numbers.

[214] Tim Dillon is a fraud.

[215] He lies about things all the time.

[216] Imagine if I did that.

[217] I said shows leaving LA because our podcast is bigger than him.

[218] And people go, but you get like 208 ,000 views on YouTube.

[219] I go, you don't understand the match.

[220] So it's, like you don't understand.

[221] There's other things that play.

[222] But I do shit like that all the time.

[223] And it's like sometimes people get angry.

[224] Well, you know.

[225] You have to understand fun and they have to understand comedy.

[226] Yeah.

[227] Comedy, like a big part of what you and I both do.

[228] Yeah.

[229] Like we have points.

[230] You know, like you're serious sometimes.

[231] Sometimes.

[232] I'm serious sometimes, too.

[233] But we talk.

[234] shit.

[235] Yeah.

[236] And that's really what it is.

[237] He said to me, he goes, have you read my unified theory of everything?

[238] I'm like, no, and I got to be honest.

[239] Not gonna.

[240] Not gonna do it.

[241] I just don't.

[242] Have you, anytime someone says that.

[243] I haven't done it.

[244] That's an issue.

[245] Someone said, if, as a like a, put you in your place, have you read my unified theory of everything.

[246] Right.

[247] If I did, I would talk to you about it.

[248] Yeah, I'm like, I don't have any, I don't care.

[249] I mean, I'm just, I'm glad that you've unified everything.

[250] Good, good.

[251] he's a fucking brilliant guy.

[252] He's a very smart guy.

[253] I've talked to him on the podcast before.

[254] A ton.

[255] Very intelligent.

[256] Left me. You know, like if you go running with like David Goggins or something like that.

[257] No, but I'll take your word for it.

[258] I'm just going to sit on the side of the road here and just let you run.

[259] Yes.

[260] Yeah, he doesn't.

[261] They're way away from you.

[262] They're way ahead of you.

[263] It is what it is.

[264] Yeah.

[265] I've, I'd love to be invited to the Weinstein Thanksgiving next year.

[266] Listen, Brett and Eric are wonderful people.

[267] And I love I'm sure they are.

[268] They're great.

[269] I'm sure they are.

[270] I'm sure they are.

[271] I'm sure.

[272] I don't know them, but it was, uh, we were at the comedy store.

[273] Yeah.

[274] Andrew Schultz was fucking with Eric.

[275] Oh yeah.

[276] You could see Eric was like, yeah.

[277] He, he, he had, they had some sort of interaction online.

[278] Right.

[279] I forget what it was.

[280] But it was playful.

[281] And Schultz starts fucking with him at the store.

[282] The whole thing about comedy is, you know, you're, you're taking shots, you're having fun.

[283] It's not meant to be taken seriously.

[284] It's complete, you know, they're in the world.

[285] though but he's 50 years old and they're dabbling in this world but it's also like they're on youtube so you might be a fucking genius but you're next to me and logan paul on youtube so i'm gonna say something about something and whatever if you're a genius it shouldn't bother you i would agree with you but i i just had a conversation with a brilliant friend of mine one of the literally one of the smartest people i know and he has a podcast and you know he's a i don't want to say what he does because I didn't ask him if I could talk about this, but he said, I need to talk to you about how to handle criticism and how to handle this stuff on social media because I engage too much or I think about it too much or I'm reading it too much and then it fucks with me. And we have this conversation.

[286] I mean, this guy is a fucking genius.

[287] And not just a genius, like a physical specimen too.

[288] He's an amazing person.

[289] And yet, and he gets to you.

[290] And he's not even controversial.

[291] Like, the stuff he talks about is not controversial.

[292] Right.

[293] But it's just dealing with other, whether it's peers or people.

[294] People that are jealous or just straight up assholes.

[295] Yeah.

[296] Well, comics are in this weird position because we have to look at things and observe things and make fun of things.

[297] We got to make fun of people we disagree with.

[298] Make fun of people we agree with.

[299] We got to make fun of the whole landscape.

[300] And myself, which I do all the time.

[301] And it's the whole landscape of what's out there right now.

[302] And it's not just, you know, I don't pick a side or I don't go.

[303] I may agree with a side.

[304] But I, like, I agree with a lot of what those guys say.

[305] but it's like if something happens to be funny, I say it.

[306] Right.

[307] If you agree with them and then you shit on the point that you agree with because there's gold there.

[308] That's what you got to do.

[309] That's what we do.

[310] That's what you got to do.

[311] You have to do that sometimes.

[312] And I mean it doesn't mean you don't care.

[313] It doesn't mean, yeah.

[314] I think they're brilliant.

[315] Thank God we have radically different jobs.

[316] Yeah.

[317] Thank God.

[318] Thank God.

[319] My job is not to, you know, advance scientific theories.

[320] Imagine if you were working for Peter Thiel and you were in charge of all of his money.

[321] it would be a very interesting, teal capital would have a very interesting three months before it was over.

[322] It would be the end.

[323] It would be the end.

[324] But we'd go bankrupt a few things.

[325] Like we'd go after, you know, he ready did Gawker.

[326] We'd go after a few more, you know.

[327] Go after a few people I don't like.

[328] I think it's a great idea.

[329] Text me, Peter.

[330] Call me. Yeah.

[331] But a lot of these tech guys are in Austin.

[332] They're very interesting.

[333] Well, they're moving here because this is a. a very tech -friendly area.

[334] It's a weird place because it's a blue spot in a red state.

[335] And it's also a very artistic area.

[336] It's also very nice.

[337] Like, one of the reasons why I moved here is that it's a lower population than L .A., and people are just genuinely friendlier.

[338] Right.

[339] They're friendlier.

[340] I've always loved it here.

[341] I've been coming here since, I think I did my first gig here in 99.

[342] I walked into it, get my hair done, and a woman's like, are you from California?

[343] Are you bringing your liberal politics here?

[344] I'm like, do I look like I'm bringing liberal, I look like Rush Limbaugh.

[345] Like, do I look like I'm bringing my liberal politics here?

[346] Did you see your license plate?

[347] Is that what it was?

[348] I think so, yeah.

[349] And she's like, where you're, you're, who's I have a New York voice.

[350] So they're like, oh, you're not, you're not from here.

[351] And I'm like, yeah, I'm not bringing my liberal policy.

[352] I'm bringing like no politics.

[353] I don't even, I guarantee whenever the elections are, I will miss them.

[354] I won't know when they are and someone will call me in a week and go, did you vote?

[355] And I'll go, what?

[356] So that's, whatever ally you want here you don't get.

[357] Well, I have a friend of mine who is out here He's an older gentleman who I've become friends with since I moved here And he's a gun enthusiast and kind of an interesting character But a very smart guy Right And he just goes We're being invaded Yeah, well he's right He's right a little bit I go by people like me mean Yeah Like I'm part of the invasion He goes no, you're a good guy But it's also like isn't Austin's pretty damn liberal Like I drive through Austin It's like women with like I'm saying women but I don't know but entities with purple dreadlocks.

[358] It's like Antifa runs all state.

[359] It's like, I'm bringing liberal values.

[360] I mean, it's like crazy.

[361] They're worried about the voting because they already hate the mayor.

[362] Yeah, of course.

[363] They already hate the mayor.

[364] They already hate the mayor.

[365] They hate the homeless situation.

[366] They love the governor.

[367] Right.

[368] They're trying to figure out.

[369] Governor's a good dude.

[370] I watched a governor do the press con. He did like a good job.

[371] He's a great guy.

[372] But you do miss Trump a little bit because you do miss, you do miss the like how Trump would have handled it.

[373] Well, then you just go to Andrew Cuomo.

[374] Well, he's a criminal.

[375] He's a Democrat Trump.

[376] He's a criminal.

[377] who's not funny and should be in jail How about that, huh?

[378] I mean, he's calling and threatening people telling them not to journalists.

[379] Yeah, calling and threatening people.

[380] He's calling other people going, hey man, politicians.

[381] You know, we act a certain way.

[382] I don't know what the quote is.

[383] Jamie will find it, but he said something to the guy like mafia shit.

[384] Yeah, well, the Hill.

[385] Crystal and Sager covered it today on their show.

[386] And there's a clip on their Instagram page showing the guy and he's explaining what they said, what Cuomo said to him, but he basically said, I will destroy you.

[387] Yeah.

[388] Which is like, they were...

[389] That's lovely.

[390] They said it...

[391] Yeah, they said it accurately.

[392] This is cartoonish.

[393] Yeah, it's cartoonish.

[394] And they all get caught.

[395] This is the thing with Ted Cruz on a plane or this guy doing it.

[396] Like, you all get caught.

[397] It's no longer like the 60s when they could just, with impunity, do whatever they wanted.

[398] Well, he's a 70 -year -old guy.

[399] He's probably been doing this his whole life.

[400] Of course he has.

[401] But, like, you get caught now, and then they look terrible.

[402] Yeah.

[403] When they get caught.

[404] Well, that's the least.

[405] of it.

[406] He looks terrible.

[407] The reason why he doesn't want them to say things is because they lied about the COVID numbers in nursing homes.

[408] The COVID deaths in nursing homes, which are directly attributable to his policies, killed literally, they lied about 50%.

[409] Wow.

[410] They lied at a 50 % right.

[411] So whatever the fuck the number was, it was 50 % off, the real number.

[412] Wow.

[413] Which is thousands of deaths.

[414] So it was a brush fire.

[415] Thousands, thousands of people that died.

[416] Just think of a pile.

[417] Think of like a show that you and I would do at a nice theater.

[418] I think of those people just stacked up dead because of the decision of a politician.

[419] Can they get, is it a, because I know that they're trying to recall Newsom.

[420] They're trying to recall him too.

[421] They're trying to recall him too, yeah.

[422] They're gathering the momentum to try to recall him right now.

[423] But on top of that, there's also, I don't know if this is true, but I was reading about the potential FBI investigation.

[424] There's a criminal investigation.

[425] Well, there should be, yeah.

[426] Well, one of his aides leaked the fact that they were worried that these numbers were going to get out and that it was going to help the Trump administration.

[427] So they...

[428] This is all, again...

[429] Crazy.

[430] It's political.

[431] But also, I'm a moron.

[432] I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[433] Let's just be really clear.

[434] I'm listening to people like Crystal and Saga from the Hill, from rising.

[435] I actually know what they're talking about.

[436] And I'm reiterating what they're saying to that.

[437] Well, I know what I'm talking about, and Cuomo should go to jail.

[438] What kind of jail?

[439] U .S. Attorney FBI investigating Cuomo's handling of nursing home details.

[440] Okay, now, though this is on NBC.

[441] Whenever something gets on NBC, you know they're fucked.

[442] Right.

[443] Because this is a Democrat.

[444] When they're covering this on NBC, they're throwing them on the bus.

[445] Not only that, they've also barred his brother from ever interviewing him on CNN.

[446] Well, yeah, that's, I mean, that's a dog and pony show, the idea that he could even interview his own brother and toss him softball questions.

[447] But Jake Tapper wants to interview him, I believe is Jake Tapper.

[448] I think who's a credible journalist.

[449] Right.

[450] And they're like, uh -uh, he doesn't want to talk to Jake Tapper.

[451] Because Jake Tapper is going to hold his feet to the fire, or whoever it is.

[452] Remember in the beginning, Cuomo was the star?

[453] Yes.

[454] Like Chelsea Handler's like, I want to fuck Cuomo like they were all.

[455] He was the star.

[456] She said that.

[457] Imagine being him.

[458] She said, yeah.

[459] What a threat.

[460] That's your reward.

[461] That's a threat.

[462] But the...

[463] How would she do it, too?

[464] She'd be on top.

[465] Yeah.

[466] And she'd punch him.

[467] Yeah.

[468] As soon as she came, she'd punch him right in the nose.

[469] he was the star everybody loved him in the beginning and they were like he's handling it brilliantly I thought so I thought so this is what I thought I thought he's calm and he looks like a leader I mean this is like you know you see a man who was handling things in a very calm manner but as time went on he started to crack right yeah you see this with people that respond to pressure and criticism, it changes their character.

[470] Right.

[471] And this is what I'm talking about with my friend, who is brilliant guy who's dealing with social media pressure.

[472] You take in too much criticism and it starts to change your perspective, which starts to change your behavior, which becomes ultimately very detrimental.

[473] And you see it with Cuomo when he started saying, one of the things that he said about lockdowns, he's like, you know, if you didn't want to gain weight, you shouldn't eat the cheesecake.

[474] Right.

[475] You didn't listen.

[476] You didn't wear your mask.

[477] get in social distance that's not what it is you fucking idiot right that's not what it is right what it is is this virus is very complicated and it's confusing because it was made in a goddamn lab probably again i'm a moron but yeah people that i know that are smart think it was made in a lab right and they think that what happens is when you enforce lockdowns you force people inside and you force people to be right on top of each other and they breathe each other's air and that's how people get sick right and it's more likely that they're going to get sick that way than if you let them do things and just fucking go out in public and just go around and go places and mingling.

[478] Well, this was also a guy that when New York was descending into a crime -infested hellscape, he said, everybody come back, I'll cook for you.

[479] I'll cook for you.

[480] I'll make your sauce.

[481] I'll make your boss of ice and there's people in New York right now, beating each other with metal bats in the street to death.

[482] And de Blasio has people doing a dance routine.

[483] At Cuomo's town, people who'll make them Sunday sauce.

[484] It's a little, it's a little disturbing.

[485] I sent you that, right?

[486] Yeah, it's absurd.

[487] It's crazy.

[488] It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

[489] Rare times I post on Twitter.

[490] Rare times I post on Twitter.

[491] I posted that and I said, how the fuck is this?

[492] How is this real?

[493] How is this a real thing?

[494] Yeah.

[495] It's literally a Cohen brother sketch.

[496] It's a, it's a scene in the Big Lobowski.

[497] It's absurdist beyond belief.

[498] Yeah.

[499] Please play that.

[500] Yeah, he has a dance troupe.

[501] We're going to bring back culture.

[502] We're going to bring back the arts.

[503] This is what you say when you've never created a business.

[504] Yeah.

[505] This is the kind of shit that you do.

[506] And they're not even good.

[507] Play this.

[508] They're horrible.

[509] No, but it's not just they're horrible.

[510] A part of.

[511] And we're going to do that.

[512] We're going to really bring back the heart and soul in New York City.

[513] We need our arts and culture back.

[514] And we need people to see it and feel it.

[515] To participate in it.

[516] To know that that essence of New York City has not been defeated by the coronavirus, but we'll come back strong in 2020.

[517] That's Whitney Cumm.

[518] What is his?

[519] That is Whitney.

[520] As you see the city come back to life, culture will lead the way.

[521] Open culture is another step towards a recovery for our city.

[522] Stop.

[523] I can't.

[524] If I was a businessman who lost their business, because they wouldn't allow me to stay open, but they allow Target to be open.

[525] They allow these giant businesses.

[526] Where was the guy with the bat for that?

[527] And here's the other thing.

[528] When you tell someone that their business is not essential.

[529] Do you know how infuriating that must be if you run a goddamn restaurant?

[530] Well, it's also the essential workers, by the way.

[531] started to get attitudes.

[532] I don't know if you know this, but a lot of the supermarket workers started to get a chip on the shoulder, and I didn't like it.

[533] They got essential?

[534] Well, the essential workers, all the supermarket workers were being told, oh, you're essential, you're essential.

[535] They got a little rude.

[536] You think so?

[537] Yeah, just the same way we called nurses' heroes.

[538] Don't do that.

[539] Don't call anyone a hero.

[540] They'll start, they piss on you.

[541] When you call someone a hero, it does something to their brain.

[542] I've never found that with firefighters.

[543] Well, sure, maybe, but with nurses, we called them heroes, and then they started TikToking with dead bodies.

[544] Do you remember that?

[545] I do remember that.

[546] Yeah, but I actually.

[547] You can't say, you're a hero.

[548] You have to say, hey, thank you.

[549] You're doing your job.

[550] Listen, this is hypocritical.

[551] I don't mind a little gallows humor.

[552] I don't mind nurses tick -talking with dead bodies.

[553] As long as they take care of my grandma.

[554] But then don't cry on Facebook.

[555] I don't mind gallows humor either.

[556] You can't tick -tok with a dead body and then go, Hey, Zabank and wear your mask.

[557] We can't handle it.

[558] Pick a lane.

[559] Do they do that too?

[560] Yeah.

[561] Of course.

[562] Pick a lane.

[563] I don't remember anybody dying.

[564] These nurses don't care about people.

[565] Anyway.

[566] Why are you saying?

[567] They do care.

[568] of them do, Joe, but I know a lot of I know a lot of nurses.

[569] She's a nice lady.

[570] Say that that lady who swab your nose.

[571] She's lovely, but I know a lot of nurses who are in it to steal Percocet from people.

[572] I know a lot of heartless nurses.

[573] We all know a lot of heartless nurses and let's not pretend we don't.

[574] That's a fact.

[575] And then some of them are great.

[576] But there's not, it's just like, listen, if you took what I was saying about nurses and I was thinking about cops, I, everybody would, you know, the media would say, oh, that's a great take.

[577] Well, they would have said it before.

[578] But, you know, there's a lot of these defund the police states that are now ramping up their budget for police officers, like Minneapolis.

[579] Right.

[580] There's quite a few of these places.

[581] Because it went to shit.

[582] It didn't just go to shit.

[583] It went to Mad Max lanes.

[584] Right.

[585] Went to some really bad areas where it's dangerous as fuck.

[586] I mean, you were talking about how bad New York City is when you were staying there last time.

[587] Yeah, it was rough.

[588] What was it like?

[589] Me and my opener were walking back from it.

[590] First of all, he's got a name.

[591] He's a good guy.

[592] Yeah, Dan Carney, my opener.

[593] He's a good guy.

[594] He's a good guy.

[595] Me and my slave.

[596] He was walking.

[597] We were walking.

[598] I make him carry all the camera equipment and everything.

[599] And I, and I, he, no, he just carries all the camera equipment.

[600] And then I walk, you know, five feet ahead of him like a cartoon king down the street, just observing.

[601] And I said to him, I think we're going to get killed.

[602] I turned around, I looked at him.

[603] I said, we might get killed because people on the street were looking at us like lunch.

[604] We were in Times Square.

[605] It was like, you know, maybe 11, 30, 12 at night.

[606] And people were looking at us.

[607] Like, people were sitting in Times Square.

[608] Like, who are you, motherfuckers like you know what I mean that's why you need Texas gun laws yeah well and it was it was terrifying so um and people you know are you're you're just looking around now and you have a weird feeling that I've never felt in New York as an adult I felt that when I was a kid in the 90s I would be like oh yeah it's a little sketchy but as an adult it was like the first time I felt like shit could go down and it wouldn't be good and now you see all these videos of people being hit with bats or you know it's rough so I mean, I just think that it has a, it has a, you know, when Giuliani was elected there, there was something that happened right before it.

[609] And this was a thing that everyone knows about.

[610] A racquet was a racket was killed in Central Park.

[611] It was a knife in her back.

[612] And it was all over the cover of the papers.

[613] And people said, and this was the early 90s, and there was about 28, 2 ,900 homicides every year in New York City, which is almost like eight a day.

[614] It got so bad that that image of the racquet with a knife of her back in Central Park, people started to go we need a new direction they elected Giuliani who since disgraced himself and become a goon but don't you think that he just got old and his brain broke yes I think he should have gotten out of public life but he did you know become a goon but they cleaned that city up it was really it wasn't that livable for many many people it became a lot more livable a lot safer after Giuliani got in there and that's a fact and people that want to people might not like that but that's a fact That's numbers and data.

[615] One thing that happened.

[616] The other thing that happened is Times Square became a mall.

[617] Time Square became a mall.

[618] A lot of that started to happen under Giuliani and then it crystallized after 9 -11.

[619] We need a balance.

[620] We do need a balance.

[621] Like you've got to have a little grit but you want it to be safe.

[622] No, you need a little balance.

[623] You want it to be a cool place and you don't need like every Broadway show a fucking Disney movie.

[624] You don't need that.

[625] You don't need, you know, Cobra Kai the musical.

[626] or whatever hell is coming after this pandemic's over.

[627] But imagine being de Blasio and thinking that that video was a good idea.

[628] Well, he's not.

[629] He's got to be nuts.

[630] He's nuts.

[631] He's nuts.

[632] He's a duffy.

[633] I mean, he's seven foot like five or something.

[634] He's like a, he's a big guy and he's just walking around.

[635] He probably doesn't get blood to all his extremities.

[636] And I mean, he's walking around.

[637] And he's just completely devoid of any sense of like what is actually happening, you know?

[638] And his daughter's like at protests going crazy.

[639] She's just throwing rocks, shooting cops.

[640] I mean, she doesn't give a shit about anything.

[641] Yeah, she doesn't care.

[642] Isn't de Blasio not really his name?

[643] I forget, but it's not his name.

[644] No, I think it's like a Carlos Mincea type deal.

[645] Yeah, it's not his name.

[646] Like he didn't like his father, so he changed his name.

[647] One of those things.

[648] I mean, he was the insufferable kid in high school with DeCager Rivera's shirt.

[649] I mean.

[650] Here you guys.

[651] Jamie will find out.

[652] His name is William Warren Wilhelm Jr. Oh, my God.

[653] Yeah, but he does it.

[654] Yeah, so Warren Wilhelm Jr. It's everything's fake.

[655] So that's not his name.

[656] How did he get the name Bill de Blasia?

[657] A Bill de Blasia was born Warren Wilhelm Jr. How is that possible?

[658] Is an American politician serving since 2014, the 109th mayor of New York City, a member Democratic Party, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[659] He was born in Manhattan, primary raised in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

[660] Oh, well, you're doomed.

[661] Yeah.

[662] Cambridge is like I love Cambridge because it's crazy right but there there's a lot of theybees in Cambridge No oh yeah yeah yeah there are they be I thought babies was like one they be you know there's many babies I have a gentleman whose daughter is a theyby she insists on being a baby she insists how old is she I said she I'm misgendering they they should probably go to jail how old is they is uh I said there's no need to discuss it's okay it's under 18 they but they refuse to be gendered.

[663] But there's a trend.

[664] Like children, parents are raising their children and they're letting them pick their gender.

[665] In Cambridge.

[666] Yeah, they pick their, they just one day we'll decide.

[667] And so they grow up like, what am I?

[668] Who cares?

[669] You're like, eat your food.

[670] Right.

[671] Yeah.

[672] Yeah.

[673] Tewfu.

[674] Yeah.

[675] He took his mother's last name when he was getting older instead of the father.

[676] But what about the first name?

[677] Uh, William.

[678] Oh.

[679] Well, William Wilhelm.

[680] Warren Wilhelm.

[681] His name is Warren Wilhelm.

[682] Warren is not...

[683] But he looks like a Warren Wilhelm.

[684] He doesn't look like a Bill de Blasio.

[685] He looks like a creepy, you know, Warren Wilhelm.

[686] Like, he would be like, oh, it's Warren again, and everyone would leave.

[687] He just went from Warren to Bill.

[688] I don't know.

[689] Just decided to change everything.

[690] Because that's like a, you know, it's like a name that you'd elect.

[691] You go, I'm Bill, I'm like you.

[692] I'm Bill de Blasio.

[693] I'm not Warren Wilmhelm from Cambridge.

[694] I'm Bill de Blasio from New York.

[695] It's a lot.

[696] Yeah.

[697] It's a lot.

[698] You know, there's so much there, you know.

[699] You shouldn't be able to do that.

[700] You should have to disclose it.

[701] Like, you should have to tell people.

[702] It's on Wikipedia.

[703] Well, of course.

[704] Look at him.

[705] He's handsome.

[706] Look at him.

[707] He's doing that thing that comics do when they suck.

[708] Look at it.

[709] He has three different legal names.

[710] That's a good.

[711] Mayor O 'Hopful Bill de Blasio has had three different legal names court record show.

[712] Okay, what was the other name?

[713] Look at his, like, right there.

[714] He's doing that thing, like, hey, I'm wacky.

[715] His elbow is, is it leaning on that?

[716] Radiator.

[717] Is it not?

[718] It seems like it's floating.

[719] No, it's leaning.

[720] I don't know if it is.

[721] The radiator might have been hot and they're taking, oh, okay, it's leaning.

[722] No, what an odd photo.

[723] It's terrible.

[724] What did he do before he was cool?

[725] I don't know.

[726] Okay, it's Democratic candidate.

[727] What's his other names?

[728] Warren Wilhelm and Manhattan.

[729] And then Warren de Blasio Wilhelm.

[730] Oh, okay.

[731] So he, oh, he hyphenated like he's married to another person.

[732] He sounds like a count.

[733] Warren de Blasio.

[734] Wilhelm Gavin Newsom who's Gavin Newsom's like an a feat wine merchant like all of these guys just out of it well they're out of it they've reached the point where they can recall him right now they just have to gather out enough names to because some of them are going to be invalid some of the names that they've gathered apparently they think they need an extra 500 ,000 names just because some of the people aren't it's just they're not legally registered to vote you have to be registered in California I mean who knows who the people are So they think they need a buffer of about 500 ,000.

[735] But here's a thing.

[736] They asked me to sign it.

[737] I'm like, I don't even have a license.

[738] No, literally.

[739] So I didn't even say.

[740] Well, I do now.

[741] But at the time, I was like, I'm not registered to vote here.

[742] I don't have a license.

[743] I'm like, I'll sign it.

[744] And if someone calls me and goes, did you sign that?

[745] I'll go, yeah, fuck that guy.

[746] But I don't have any paperwork.

[747] You need paperwork.

[748] I haven't now.

[749] That's the thing.

[750] There's a bunch of people like you that are on that list, I'm sure.

[751] But here's the thing.

[752] Patriots.

[753] The thing is California is a head.

[754] heavy democratic state.

[755] The odds of a person who's a Republican winning are very slim.

[756] And New York, too.

[757] Yes, but it's different.

[758] New York, there's a possibility.

[759] There's some precedent.

[760] Right.

[761] But there's no, the only precedent in California, the most recent is Arnold Schwarzenegger, who barely counts because he was a star.

[762] And also, I don't know why they, why did they get rid of Gray Davis?

[763] Because of the blackouts, the rolling blackouts to Enron, all that stuff.

[764] They were fucking with the state.

[765] And it was also, there was a corruption involved in those corruption where it wasn't necessary to actually blackout they were doing it for a political game they were forcing it down to send the cost of energy up yes that was a great that Enron documentary the smartest guys in the room great documentary about that whole thing and then Bethany McLean who wrote the article how does Enron make its money he's a great financial journalist also you know she's in that documentary and that's a really cool documentary it's great and yeah it's spooky that's spooky you know who else is really spooky, an inside job.

[766] Yes.

[767] An inside job which shows it's about the financial crisis of 2008 and it shows how these people go from being professors who recommend certain regulations and requirements that are ultimately terrible for the economy and then they get promoted as like once they leave as professors and they've whatever institution that they're at then they get these giant jobs that pay millions of dollars.

[768] It's like this weird little deal.

[769] It's like this revolving door between a lot of times between government, private industry, higher education.

[770] It's like yeah, it creates the oligarchy.

[771] It creates that aristocracy.

[772] But when the guy who, I don't remember who made that documentary, but he's obviously very well read in finance and he understands how it all worked.

[773] And he was questioning these people and you see them falling apart.

[774] In the documentary in the middle of realizing that they've been trapped and realizing that somebody understands the gig somebody knows what's up this is what the hustle is it's so illuminating because they get arrogant and angry at him and you know yeah well it's like it's like anything where you participate in it because you think it's a fluff piece you yeah and also you think that what you're doing is okay because it's what everyone does right and then you're introduced to this other mode of thing.

[775] Did you see the new article that came out that says they're allowing like tech companies to essentially form countries?

[776] I mean, this is like the craziest article that came out that people are sharing all over Twitter where they're like, it's like a lot of them have the power of countries anyway.

[777] Like you look at Amazon and Google and Facebook.

[778] They're like, they have the money of a country of a GDP of like a mid -sized country or decent -sized country.

[779] And they have the political power.

[780] But there's this new article, which is like it talks about allowing them to like actually like it's crazy it's like crazy thinking i did see the title of that article but i didn't read it because they didn't want to get sick yeah i mean it's just but i mean you will eventually they'll just have a google stand where they just set up an island and they go we're google a stand and we pay what taxes we want and you know fuck you why not as long as they can go with don't be evil remember when they used to have that yeah that was confident do evil or don't do evil don't be By the way, as soon as someone wants to do evil, they Google how.

[781] That's the first thing.

[782] As soon as somebody wants to, how do I get away with murdering my wife on Google?

[783] Yeah, see, if you want to do that, use Duck, Duck, Go.

[784] It's way better, and they don't save your history.

[785] Better search engine?

[786] That's what I use.

[787] Interesting.

[788] Yeah, if I want to look up anything sketchy.

[789] So here's the thing about Duck, Duck, Doe, too.

[790] It'll show you things that Google will hide from you.

[791] Wow.

[792] Like, there was a doctor who died immediately after taking the, vaccine.

[793] He was in his 50s.

[794] He took the vaccine.

[795] He had an adverse reaction, which, listen, it happens.

[796] It is a part of medicine.

[797] It doesn't mean the vaccine's evil.

[798] It doesn't mean Bill Gates is trying to kill everyone.

[799] But if you do search that on Google, it's really difficult to find.

[800] So I put in doctor in his 50s dies, vaccine, could not find it for the life for me. I used the exact same sentence put in Duck Duck Goes on the first page.

[801] Yeah, you can get it.

[802] Interesting.

[803] Because they're not curating.

[804] your search.

[805] Well, they also hid that Black West Indian doctor, that African doctor, God's battle ax and weapon of war.

[806] They got rid of her.

[807] What is that what?

[808] God's battle ax and weapon of war.

[809] Is that what she calls herself?

[810] Yeah, on her Twitter profile and they got rid of her.

[811] And I was like, I wanted to listen to her.

[812] Wait a minute, wait.

[813] Wait, wait.

[814] Really?

[815] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[816] She calls herself God's battle axe and weapon of war.

[817] Oh, yeah, on her Twitter.

[818] And they got rid of her on Google.

[819] You couldn't find her.

[820] Wasn't she in a strip mall?

[821] She had like a little office.

[822] Yeah, she had like a witch doctor thing in a strip mall with like those beads that you probably walked through it look like a scene from gremlins those beads in the 80s we used to go to a porn section of a video oh yeah she probably had a shag carpet she's probably sitting there smoking a butt you know going i'll tell you the realities of this thing well the thing is that she was talking about hydroxychloroquine right that was she said it was like the drug and she would just take it when she grew up on sundays see this that's what she said that's what she said no that's he says she was on the kandis owen show god's battle axe and weapon of war yes this woman is who I follow.

[823] But here's the thing about that hydroxychloroquine the fucking problem with Donald Trump is anything that was effective or anything that was true that was associated with Donald Trump was immediately rejected.

[824] Whether it was the idea that we were talking before the podcast that I had on an evolutionary bio, I had on Brett Weinstein.

[825] Brett Weinstein was one of the first people that was talking about.

[826] It is most likely that this virus emanated from a lab.

[827] And it's not a big stretch.

[828] And he had a good argument.

[829] When you watched his argument, it was a solid argument.

[830] He's a scientist.

[831] Right.

[832] He's a legitimate scientist.

[833] He's a brilliant person.

[834] Yeah.

[835] And he was saying that if you look at all of the various aspects of this virus, when you look at it, it's much more likely, especially with the fact that there's a level four lab in Wuhan right there.

[836] This is not like some crazy stretch.

[837] Yeah, it's crazy that I don't understand why people think it's crazy and what their investment is.

[838] It's Trump.

[839] It's Trump.

[840] It's a political.

[841] Yeah.

[842] It's all about Trump.

[843] Because I'm like, if who, like, why are we treating it with such hostility?

[844] Why are we treating that possibility with such hostility?

[845] And the only thing is, yeah, that Trump came out and said it.

[846] Well, the problem is politics in this country are essentially, they've reached this boiling point where the idea of promoting a civil war is not outside of the realm of possibility.

[847] It's in this, it's in the space.

[848] Right.

[849] Like, what they're doing is anyone on that side.

[850] it is either a fucking snowflake or a communist or a fool or and everyone on this space is a Nazi and a right wing fascist and a terrible person and there's no gray area and you're seeing this with this storm that we're having here people are people I do think that people don't have the energy anymore because I've been seeing it on Twitter and I think that I think I think we're a few weeks or months away from who cares.

[851] Yeah.

[852] I think Biden and Kamala, I think they're very boring.

[853] I think no one's going to care.

[854] I think the far right and the far left, they just, they both lost, right?

[855] Like the people that are hardcore Trump people lost.

[856] The people who are hardcore on the far left don't like Biden.

[857] I just don't think that everyone's going to live in this 24 -hour political world forever.

[858] It's exhausting.

[859] I think it's over.

[860] I think comedy is going to go back to being goofy and silly and people that made living strictly talking about Trump or strictly talking about politics are going to have a tough time of it.

[861] I think, you know, after the Iraq war, that's when like that alternative comedy scene started where people like started walking around like top hats and can't.

[862] It's like because after the Iraq war and the mortgage crisis, nobody wanted to hear about anything serious.

[863] So I think if we put a few months, a few months down the road, no one's going to hear, want to hear about COVID or Donald Trump.

[864] I think people are just ready for the next thing.

[865] So I'm hoping that this all kind of becomes more boring and silly and goofy and fun and more human well i hope people come to their senses and realize that we have more in common than we have indifference right and that's that's the reality being a person like my neighbor is a a crazy Biden supporter super nice person right i i like them right you know and i i i don't think that there's a if you look at what people want what do they want in terms of in in times of crisis like it was agreed it was a fairly short -lived crisis in austin today's 40 something degrees right the roads are clear and you could drive around and most people's water's coming back on most people have power there's but in times of crisis you you realize that what is important what's really important and this is dark right staying alive that's it feeding your family right and taking care of your loved ones yes hey do you guys need food we have food Yeah.

[866] Do you guys need wood?

[867] We have wood.

[868] You have a fireplace?

[869] And I would add to that your social media brand.

[870] You have to always safeguard that as well.

[871] I'm so glad you got me out of that.

[872] I was reported.

[873] I was reported for cutting a line in a waterburger.

[874] I've lived here for a week.

[875] That's a criminal offense.

[876] Here's a reality.

[877] I was, a water burger was the only thing open.

[878] Why did you cut the line?

[879] I did it.

[880] And why did you cut the line with California plates?

[881] There's this new.

[882] In a fucking range rover.

[883] There's this new game.

[884] they're playing.

[885] You were in a range rover?

[886] I was in a range rober with California plates.

[887] Everything wrong.

[888] I know.

[889] And I had that stupid Babe hoodie on that dumb, that, that uh, hypeby city.

[890] But I, I turn and there's some dude in an F1 because here's the deal.

[891] There were two lines converging on the water burger.

[892] I was in one line, but there was the other line at like three or four cars.

[893] I didn't know that it was one and one.

[894] I didn't know that it was one car and then one car.

[895] I didn't know that.

[896] I'm on, I'm not, I'm not, what you're saying.

[897] Well, meaning when you have one lines coming in this way and I'm coming in that way.

[898] We're supposed to let one car from my line and then one car from the other line.

[899] What did you do?

[900] I, after my guy went, I went as well because I didn't know that that was a legitimate line because my line was much longer and there was no reason that people couldn't just be on my line.

[901] They had started another shorter line and were weaving into.

[902] Are you justifying cutting the line?

[903] I'm saying, this is again, he didn't support me with the Airbnb.

[904] I'm confused.

[905] Oh, there you are.

[906] Is this your car?

[907] If so, what's this guy's name?

[908] Put his name up there.

[909] No, it's neighbors uncensored.

[910] What kind of rats are we dealing with?

[911] Well, let's find out.

[912] First of all, the kind of rats that put a space after so and then a comma.

[913] So, and then double question marks.

[914] Is this your car?

[915] If so, I hope cutting the line at Waterburger made you feel like a man, did it?

[916] I felt good.

[917] Okay.

[918] And that you and your idiot co -pilot, Your co -pilot, Dan, got a good snicker out of it like D -bags, like you tend to do.

[919] Oh, D -bags like you tend to do.

[920] Please remove your sorry ass back to California, or at least out of our community, you sorry P -O -S.

[921] Wow.

[922] First of all, can we stop with the Facebook ratting?

[923] This is unacceptable.

[924] If I'd walk into...

[925] Well, what's more unacceptable?

[926] You cutting the line or them calling you out.

[927] Let's be real.

[928] Well, it's supposed to be a tough state.

[929] Come and shoot me. Don't rat me out.

[930] on fucking Facebook.

[931] There's no, ratting's never appropriate.

[932] I could have walked in a walk.

[933] You really, genuinely, really, if you were on ecstasy right now, would you admit that maybe you kind of thought something was wrong?

[934] I didn't know that I did the wrong thing until after I had done it.

[935] Oh, but you already did it.

[936] I had already done it, so I didn't know how this worked.

[937] You could have done is pay for the guy behind you.

[938] You say, I messed up.

[939] Get out of your car.

[940] You go, hey buddy.

[941] Would you order?

[942] I'm sorry, I fucked up.

[943] Pay from, I'll sponsor the Facebook ad where he shits on me. How about that?

[944] I'll pay for him to boost his post.

[945] I didn't know who it was.

[946] This neighbor's uncensored.

[947] I didn't know who it was.

[948] But if he wants me to boost his post where he calls me a piece of shit, I'll pay for that.

[949] What if we get that guy, figure out who it is, and get him some tickets to one of your shows?

[950] I'll do that.

[951] I'll absolutely do that.

[952] We need to make this right.

[953] If he finds me or whatever, I'll absolutely do it.

[954] But it's like, I've had a real bad string of people.

[955] I was thrown off Airbnb.

[956] This is a fact.

[957] You did not support me on this.

[958] I did.

[959] You did not.

[960] You said, he should have done the dishes.

[961] This was your quote.

[962] Joe, but you shouldn't have been thrown off of Airbnb.

[963] Okay, well, that's But you shouldn't leave dirty dishes.

[964] Joe, we pay a $450 cleaning fee.

[965] Airbnb, 400, they do the scam now.

[966] They call it COVID cleaning, which is fake because regular cleaning and COVID cleaning are the same thing.

[967] Cleaning is cleaning.

[968] You're not going in there with hazmat suits.

[969] Why do you leave the plates?

[970] What?

[971] Why didn't you just clean the plates?

[972] Because this is a vacation.

[973] Are you supposed to clean the plates?

[974] I don't know what the rules are, but I don't like the service if that's the case.

[975] I want You feel like you should be able to leave Not if I pay $450 for a cleaning fee You should And the thing is There were two lesbian women And I mentioned that And that's why I was kicked off Airbnb Because you mentioned their sexual orientation And they had a horribly designed house And they should have Maybe as a gay guy or someone to fix it But Well as a gay guy What would you have done?

[976] What would you have done rather To fix it?

[977] Well all the furniture Where you couldn't sit in it was like art pieces all of their furniture was like it was like a little you couldn't sit in or tony hinchcliff couldn't sit in tony hinchcliff is a bird he can perch on things i'm a human human i'm an american human we can't sit on a fucking leather cowhide chair it's an art piece like this is what's wrong with the piece it was like it was a chair of like sticks with like leather cowhide there were these weird stools you take pictures of these things i took all the photos i put them on my Instagram was like these are these are not for human beings these are for like lesbians to drink tea and perch and whatever but like I'm lesbians so why do you why do you care about their sexual orientation that's why you're because they're insufferable they were insufferable they wore little hats and had a dog little hats they had a dog do you like big hats yeah but like dogs I not the they had like a weird whimeriner I just knew who they were I knew who they I could see the photo and went I knew either.

[978] And they probably saw my photo when I hate that fat conservative fuck or whatever, even though I'm really in the middle politically and even weight wise.

[979] But in this state, but they got mad at me and they got me off Airbnb because I discussed this on my podcast in a colorful manner.

[980] And like I quote unquote threaten to burn their house out.

[981] As a joke, I'm not burning your house pay.

[982] It's a bit.

[983] I'm not going to burn your house up.

[984] But I said like, watch your back.

[985] Who knows what happens?

[986] It's a joke.

[987] But the These women don't get jokes, and it's not my fault, but, like, to give me a horrible review.

[988] How do they find out that you talked about them online on your show?

[989] It's a decent -sized show.

[990] So I think, yeah, yeah, it's big.

[991] I mean, it's, it went, okay, you guys win, but it's big enough where if we say something on it, it got back to them.

[992] One of their minions told them, and they were, first of all, they asked me to give them a good review, which you're not allowed to do in the Airbnb process.

[993] right before I wrote the review that I've never given anyone a bad review on Airbnb I don't do it I'm not a rat they texted me and said hey our cleaning lady came how to stroke LOL but just give us a good review and I'm like she said LOL yeah I was like I don't know why she had a stroke because it's literally dishes has your cleaning lady not encountered dishes before there's no if like they took black light and scanned the walls there wouldn't be surprised there's nothing I even left them a tartar sauce and said use it because we didn't use it kind so yeah but dick I mean look at that I like it I like it these oh god of course of course you do this is meant to these people want to just do ayahuasca is that a fireplace yeah which you can't use because they're not insured for it what is that square hole it was a fireplace that you can't use it's weird dude it's a fireplace it's like chest level it's a cold environment isn't that a weird I mean aren't fireplaces supposed to be on the ground floor like why is it's is that really house is crazy really a fireplace I mean they're culturally appropriating Native America it's just the whole thing maybe they're Native American you don't know they are not how do you know because i've seen them but what about elizabeth warren that's a good point but i was fireplace is in a weird place it's weird the whole house is weird it's a pizza house is weird and i just left there was a few dishes in a sink show me that picture again and the and the review of me was like this guy was a horrible gas they said i broke a cactus which is literally impossible you can break cactuses how we're like crunching the spikes with my hands you're on them when you're on ecstasy yeah i mean these these these i don't understand what i'm looking at Correct.

[994] So there's like a log...

[995] $1 ,200 or $1 ,200.

[996] I like it.

[997] I got it for half.

[998] I'd stay there.

[999] Oh, no. I really would.

[1000] It's absolutely repulsive.

[1001] I would sit in those chairs and be really comfortable.

[1002] Joshua Tree is a litter box for drug addicts.

[1003] No, it's for people who like to do mushrooms.

[1004] Oh, enough.

[1005] Grow up and get a real drug problem.

[1006] Take a percassette at your office, okay?

[1007] Not everything has to be a journey to hyperspace.

[1008] Not everything, but some things.

[1009] Sure.

[1010] I just am a fan of pillheads and cokeheads.

[1011] I like people that are productive.

[1012] But you're in Joshua Tree.

[1013] That's the place where psychedelic people go.

[1014] Oh, and I used to do acid and go to a bar like a person.

[1015] Right, right, right, right.

[1016] I get it.

[1017] I didn't have to.

[1018] If I would be a subprime mortgage guy, I would do acid and I would cross -off.

[1019] Like, if I did DMT, I would go and when you meet the aliens and they give you all the information about how the world is about, I would have tried to sell them condos.

[1020] You know, I would have brought them into my world.

[1021] I like it.

[1022] Relaxation happens here.

[1023] I bet it does.

[1024] Yeah, washing dishes.

[1025] I don't like the bars on the chair.

[1026] Oh, the thing is horrible.

[1027] Like sitting on that, I wouldn't know where to put my hands.

[1028] I'd probably put them below those metal bars.

[1029] This is really...

[1030] Look at that lady.

[1031] I like how she's sitting.

[1032] Fuck, wait, go back to that.

[1033] The pool was cold.

[1034] Can you go back to that picture?

[1035] That lady's hot.

[1036] I like that.

[1037] This is, well, they're fatphobic.

[1038] She's naked.

[1039] Yeah, this is what they're trying to do here.

[1040] They're upset that human beings rented their apartment.

[1041] It's hard to tell because it's in.

[1042] black and white, but she's hot.

[1043] I like how she's just reading.

[1044] She's like, even though I'm hot, I just want to educate myself.

[1045] And there's another lady wants to be hot.

[1046] Yeah, that's a realistic.

[1047] Yeah, that's realistic.

[1048] Look at the guy.

[1049] Look at a six -pack.

[1050] He isn't eaten months.

[1051] That's realistic.

[1052] That's a realistic.

[1053] And he's hanging out with a super hot girlfriend.

[1054] There's a few dishes in that sink.

[1055] Tim Dillon, I want to buy this house.

[1056] This is a great place.

[1057] Can you stop?

[1058] I like it.

[1059] Yeah, that's a high -fi.

[1060] Yeah.

[1061] That's a high -fi.

[1062] Oh, is it?

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] It's a high -fidelity sound system.

[1065] It was not, it was not conducive to having fun at all I did.

[1066] when Manson was running around killing people that was the shit I didn't say anything bad about it Look at that view You could see the cactus and the coyotes Oh isn't that good I fucking love it You loved it so much You loved it so much and moved states I would listen I could get a house there I mean come on That's that's We're starting to get crazy You're talking to the wrong guy I love this house I know I know I love the chairs Well listen I don't believe Look at the chair Look at that chair I don't believe in backs to chairs Because I have good posture Look at how I sit I left Four dishes and these people treated me. But why the fuck didn't you just clean those four dishes?

[1067] Because I'm paying a massive cleaning fee.

[1068] This is.

[1069] Save that money.

[1070] No, no, no, no. You have to pay it.

[1071] You have to.

[1072] You're forced to.

[1073] Is that the cactus you broke?

[1074] No, that's a cactus.

[1075] It was broke when I walked in.

[1076] Was it broke?

[1077] It was because somebody was probably, I don't know, shoving in their pussy.

[1078] It was broke when I walked in.

[1079] The most epic hallway you've ever seen.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] Is that really?

[1082] Is that the most epic hallway you've ever seen?

[1083] That's not true.

[1084] I've been to some nice houses.

[1085] That's not true.

[1086] I like that espresso machine, though.

[1087] I like a lot of this house.

[1088] I like this house I do I like this house a lot It's all fine The women were out of control And again If you look at my review I said nice things I think I've always said nice things On to lesbians I've always said nice things And they just said to me Like I was a horrible guest If you look at their review of me They said I was a horrible guest Why were you horrible?

[1089] Well they said I left the house in disarray And I broke the cactus And whatever and nobody broke anything You know what you should do Well you can't do it anymore Because you're not in Airbnb anymore But you should just make a video Of you leaving the house and then no one can say shit well I'd like to get back on Airbnb because I made them I did I spent money on there and that's where I would go and use to travel and not do hotels I would do Airbnb especially when you have an opener and you have people you come up with people have a whole podcast producer nice yeah it's much better nice food so I'd like to go back on Airbnb but we'll see what happens that's okay is there an avenue for reconciliation I don't believe so these ladies whoever you are ladies Tim's a good guy and I'm your fan I'm a fan of you I like what you did with that I like it.

[1090] I like the chairs with no backs to them.

[1091] I like it.

[1092] I like the weird chairs.

[1093] I like your view.

[1094] I like your house.

[1095] Look at that.

[1096] You can sit out there by the pool and watch that guy with the ripped abs and his girlfriend, fuck.

[1097] I mean, this is like a FEMA tent.

[1098] No, it's not.

[1099] That's not.

[1100] You get a tarantulas and lizards and fall?

[1101] Scorpions.

[1102] The whole thing is nice little pool.

[1103] It's a beautiful view.

[1104] Look, those people are enjoying it.

[1105] Why can't you enjoy it?

[1106] They're not real.

[1107] people don't exist.

[1108] The hot guy and his hot girlfriend, they're real.

[1109] They're not real.

[1110] They don't exist.

[1111] They work out of the honor gym.

[1112] They're right down the street.

[1113] They hired these people.

[1114] They're a mile away from us.

[1115] We can visit them right now.

[1116] You're a Hollywood elitist.

[1117] I speak for Americans.

[1118] But I live here.

[1119] I know, but that doesn't matter.

[1120] I speak for Americans who make hot dogs and sometimes leave the plates of the thing because we're paying a $450 cleaning fee.

[1121] And I just think that we should be able to, you should be able to come in and clean it.

[1122] You know what I mean?

[1123] You love the house so much.

[1124] You clean it.

[1125] Ladies.

[1126] So anyway, I'd like to get back on there, but I won't be allowed, and that's okay, too.

[1127] Maybe they will let you back on.

[1128] I would imagine not.

[1129] I violated some safety protocol.

[1130] I don't know.

[1131] Which protocols?

[1132] The safety one.

[1133] Which one is the safety one?

[1134] The one where you can't threaten and burn down people's homes, I think.

[1135] I spoke to my lawyer.

[1136] He said to just leave it alone.

[1137] My lawyer was like, just leave it alone.

[1138] He goes, I don't know what you're doing.

[1139] I'm like, I'm in a high -octane war with a few desert lesbets, a few deserts.

[1140] there's two desert dikes that are gunning for me and I'm going to fucking keep I'm going to ride this till the wheels go off and my lawyer's like hey man what are you doing so what am I doing I'm boosting up my fucking podcast stupid I'm trying to fight the good fight I get paid that you just tell them how do you think I get paid?

[1141] It's a good point no so I mean I didn't involve Alex Jones could have chose not don't do that I'm kidding that's a nuclear option that's a nuclear option yeah don't because he'll find some reason he'll say the Airbnb didn't exist yeah but we'll figure You'll find one Connected to the globalist Satanist I got to see him I just got down here I haven't seen him I want to go have dinner with him I'm very happy That people change their opinion About him Slowly but surely They're understanding why I've been friends With this guy For 20 years Yeah He's a fucking hugely entertaining person He's definitely made some mistakes But I love that guy Jamie and I had dinner with him And Lex Friedman the other day How fun was that I had a private podcast that no one else gets to...

[1142] We got a private room at Three Forks which is a great steak place here.

[1143] I know, I'm in there.

[1144] Fucking phenomenal steak place.

[1145] We sat down.

[1146] We had so much fun.

[1147] We had so much fun.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] People get so mad that I'm friends with that guy that I hang out with him.

[1150] Yeah, people get really angry.

[1151] He's a very interesting character.

[1152] If you look at the history of the type of stuff like alternative media or radio or whatever, you are forced to confront him at some point in that history, right?

[1153] Because he's this seminal figure in that movement.

[1154] And he's pissed off everyone that's ever existed.

[1155] And everyone as at one time hated him, Republicans, Democrats, everybody.

[1156] Well, initially, he was the guy that went after Republicans.

[1157] Yeah.

[1158] He got on, he became prominent because he was going after George W. Right.

[1159] George W. was running for president.

[1160] Right.

[1161] And he was, he's kind of, you know, protesting at some of his press conferences and stuff.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] Like, people think he's like right wing lunatic because it supported Trump.

[1164] I don't I don't think that's who he is.

[1165] He hated him.

[1166] Yeah.

[1167] He was one of the guys saying 9 -11 has weird stuff going on early on.

[1168] He was also one of the first people that legitimately educated people on the concept of agent provocateurs.

[1169] Right.

[1170] I did not know that that was a thing.

[1171] Right.

[1172] I did not know that when there is an inconvenient, peaceful protest and people need to understand that this is real.

[1173] Google agent provocateurs when there is an, or use duck, dot go.

[1174] They'll give you the real deal.

[1175] When there is a peaceful protest and it's inconvenient and the powers that be do not want it to be there, what they do is they send in people wearing masks and dressing up in all black or in some sort of like nondescript way, and they start making it a non -peaceful protest.

[1176] They start smashing windows and lighting things on fire.

[1177] Then the law enforcement can move in and shut down the protest.

[1178] That is what happened at the World Trade.

[1179] organization event in Seattle in 1999 and he detailed it like in depth and he showed step by step how this happened and how the people that were the agent provocateurs were eventually released he was always on the outside of politics and then when he got in with Trump he was kind of entering politics and then he entered then it became a real issue because then people were like oh this guy's got sway and power and you can and that's when they started going after him from all the shit that he've said before look the guy does like five hours of talking radio and talking every day and a lot of times he's hammered And he's saying crazy shit.

[1180] And you know how that goes.

[1181] It's like Rush Limbaugh just died.

[1182] And a lot of people obviously have strong opinions about Rush Limba.

[1183] I remember I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh growing up.

[1184] And Rush Limbaugh to me was always this funny, cartoonish figure who was a little wild.

[1185] You knew what he believed and you knew or what he purported to believe.

[1186] And like whether you agreed with him or not, he was this guy on the radio in the middle of the day for three hours a day for years.

[1187] And no man, he rarely had guessed.

[1188] He rarely had, took calls.

[1189] He just went.

[1190] He just went from the top of his head for three hours a day.

[1191] And then they found out he was doing it in like 25 oxy cotton.

[1192] A hundred.

[1193] A hundred a day.

[1194] I mean, not only he did so much that he went deaf.

[1195] You understand that?

[1196] That's so crazy.

[1197] You ever see that fucking apparatus that he had connected to his head?

[1198] Wow.

[1199] Alex explained it to me. There's another Alex Jones thing.

[1200] He's like, basically the way it worked.

[1201] He explained to me how if you do so much oxy cotton, like you, literally can go deaf wow he had his his maid i believe buying them and she got busted but this was during two um this was during the time where what they had was these pain management clinics yeah in florida and these pain management clinics are this was all exposed by the documentary the oxycontin express right um and uh what they would do is they would have these pain management clinics you go oh my fucking back is killing me and they would go oh well you need oxycontin express right um and they would go And they write a prescription and you literally go like right next door to where the bathroom is here and you would walk in there and that's the pharmacy.

[1202] And the pharmacy only prescribes oxy cotton.

[1203] Sounds lovely.

[1204] It's bananas.

[1205] And you would just get it and then you would become addicted.

[1206] Yeah.

[1207] I mean, this is a huge problem.

[1208] And I know that that family, the Sackler family, has kind of been ostracized from polite society now.

[1209] Like people won't even take their donations for certain types.

[1210] charities because they don't want to take the blood money.

[1211] A lot of that is because the woman I had to my podcast.

[1212] Mariana Van Zeller.

[1213] Mariana she was what was the network that she did that for?

[1214] Was it on that G .O .2?

[1215] I don't believe it was.

[1216] I think it was something different.

[1217] It was something different at the time.

[1218] She has a new show that's amazing.

[1219] It's called Traffic.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] It's fucking incredible.

[1222] This lady she has Titanic balls.

[1223] If she was a man They would be too big for her to walk.

[1224] It was a show called Vanguard on Current TV.

[1225] Current TV.

[1226] Her new show called Traffic, she goes to Columbia where they make cocaine.

[1227] And she's there every step of the way.

[1228] Not only she there, but she hikes out, backpacks with them.

[1229] And the new show's on Nat Geo, right?

[1230] Dude, the new show exposes how the fucking LAPD, like rogue agents in the LAPD are trafficking guns to the cartels in Mexico.

[1231] Wow.

[1232] Through LA, because, you know, you can drive into Mexico with no inspection.

[1233] You just drive.

[1234] They don't give a fuck if you drive in.

[1235] So these guys were buying guns or taking guns from like criminals and then selling them to the cartels.

[1236] And she went with them every step of the way.

[1237] She went with the people in Columbia.

[1238] She showed them the chemists making the cocaine.

[1239] See if you can get a video of this because it's fucking crazy.

[1240] It's fucking nuts.

[1241] Is the video online, the video of the cocaine shit?

[1242] Dude, it's, it's so crazy they're stomping on the stuff these are the cocoa leaves they're making the cocaine they pour like fucking gasoline those there's her right there there's mariana she's such a fucking courageous boots on the ground journalist and she hikes out with them they carry these fucking backpacks filled with cocaine like a million dollars worth of coke or three quarters of a million dollars with a coke on their back and they're walking 18 hours through the fucking jungle because you can't afford to have it in a car you'll get pulled pulled over people steal it and so this is such an interesting process what they do you know that lady is so courageous he's tough dude you got to watch the show why do she's incredible she like a big cocaine on it sure yeah that's exactly what can't believe you're rat it around she's a journalist can you hate can you hate drugs though if you're doing that you got to be a little curious well just get a little coax up she's got to go she probably guys guys give me a little taste it's easier to hike out you got to be a little curious for doing that imagine she's yeah you're like She has big balls.

[1243] I'm like, she's a crack hat.

[1244] She's free basing cocaine all that.

[1245] She's out there doing cocaine.

[1246] Good for her.

[1247] Good for her.

[1248] And, you know, you see also there's a lot of myths, like you think that, like, the people that are growing the cocaine are these evil cartels.

[1249] No, they're farmers.

[1250] Right.

[1251] The people growing the coca leaves are just poor farmers.

[1252] They need to do it.

[1253] They're out there in Columbia drying them on the side of the road.

[1254] Like on the side of the road, they have like these blankets set out with cocoa leaves.

[1255] And they're drying them out.

[1256] and they sell them to the cartel.

[1257] That's what, like, Vice used to be.

[1258] Yes.

[1259] Vice used to be that now Vice is, like, running things where it's like pregnant women being discriminated against an MMA.

[1260] And you're like, what?

[1261] Right, or veganism is racist.

[1262] But that's what Vice used to be.

[1263] When it was fucking awesome, you would have little mini documentaries where people would go to, like, towns that were, you know, from, like, you know, they go to Chernobyl or something.

[1264] They go to really cool places.

[1265] Well, Shane Smith.

[1266] Yeah.

[1267] He did all that shit.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] He went to Chernobyl and they were fucking, they found these nuclear -powered wolves that were running around.

[1270] Dude, shit like that was great.

[1271] And then it just went crazy.

[1272] And then it just went crazy.

[1273] Well, they sold it for a lot of money.

[1274] Yeah.

[1275] It's unfortunate.

[1276] And then it became, you know, they became woke.

[1277] Were you a Limbaugh fan at any point?

[1278] No. No, but did you ever listen to him?

[1279] Occasionally, like, it would rage listen.

[1280] Do you ever make you laugh?

[1281] No. Really?

[1282] No. He used to make me laugh.

[1283] You go like, you go, you go, people say that I don't.

[1284] don't talk to working people.

[1285] And then he'd go, I was on a jet the other day with Bill Parcells.

[1286] He has a job.

[1287] Like, things like that would make me laugh.

[1288] He was just a, but again, yeah, he supposedly did really bad stuff.

[1289] When gay people died with AIDS, he supposedly like mock them with a song or something, which is like, I haven't heard the song.

[1290] I don't know if it's good.

[1291] But I guess it's, it was, he did bad shit.

[1292] He's not a moral paragon.

[1293] But I mean, I don't know the dude, he leaned into being that kind of evil, kind of conservative, cigar smoking.

[1294] You know, SUV driving, live in a castle in Palm Beach.

[1295] Wait a man. I drove around an SUV and I'm smoking a cigar right now.

[1296] Uh -oh.

[1297] What are you trying to say?

[1298] But he was also a big fat golfer, which you need.

[1299] You are not.

[1300] I don't know.

[1301] But he was interesting.

[1302] But like anyone that talks for that long and, you know, obviously nobody's going to love them forever.

[1303] You're not going to get loved.

[1304] It's not, you know, part of the program is if you talk for that long, you're going to anger people.

[1305] It's going to anger them But I always remember him as like a figure for my childhood Where he would like Always be on the And he would just, my grandmother was big liberal Hated him and I'd put him on in the car And she'd hate him She'd got shut it off Well that was AM radio Was always conservative talk radio Just crotchety Bob Grant Yes I remember that guy I remember Bob Grant I was listening to New York When I was on my way to gigs Yeah he'd be like get off my phone You know like these people were very To me just listening to this world of it was very funny to me like people would get emotional and angry and yell at each other and I was driving around the suburbs and like this is kind of an interesting world because it's an interesting entrance point into culture is that there's a bunch of people that are fucking angry my favorite was Phil Hendry he's brilliant he's brilliant so Phil Hendry's brilliant and for people don't know what Phil Hendry would do Phil Hendry would play both sides he would be one guy he would be Phil Hendry and then he'd be another guy this ridiculous outrageous guest who would say say things that are preposterous and not true, but it would also be Phil.

[1306] He would use a voice machine, so he would alter his voice.

[1307] Right.

[1308] And then he would have callers.

[1309] And the callers would call him, this guy's full of shit.

[1310] Right.

[1311] This guy's a liar.

[1312] He was also doing them.

[1313] He would not always.

[1314] Well, not always.

[1315] But he would do like, every now and then he would do like four or six voices in a bit.

[1316] And it was amazing.

[1317] And then people didn't know.

[1318] Like people were shocked when they found out that like he was one guy having an argument with four people.

[1319] And you're like, this is one guy the lat level of talent's amazing oh he was brilliant and still is is he still around is he still doing it uh i mean he's got a twitter account looking him up it's a tricky thing because once people find out then if everyone's in on the joke the joke doesn't work right you have to have a bunch of rubs out there right understand what he's doing or a bunch of people that have never listened before or can just appreciate it at least for what it is the phil henry show i ran into him who are all those other people those characteristics he plays is he is he a boston guy or where's no He's an L .A. guy, I believe.

[1320] He was on in L .A. That's when I listened to him.

[1321] But I hung out with him.

[1322] Me and him and Stanhope did some thing together with a couple other people in, I believe it was Montreal, some, like, interview show.

[1323] And he was a lovely guy, like a really nice guy.

[1324] Well, he's supremely talented in a way that very few people are that can do that.

[1325] And he's really like, he's gracious.

[1326] Like when I say, I go, dude, I really love your show.

[1327] I love what you're doing.

[1328] I love the nonsense of it.

[1329] I love the chaos He creates And he got a giggle out of it It's amazing It's amazing It is because guys like You know rush Obviously had politics So they would do Three hours a day But it's one topic Yeah But a guy like Phil Is just different All the time The amount of prep work That goes into that The amount of ingenuity And imagination Is crazy Here's a good Here's a good point Like do you think That a guy like Rush Is pure Meaning that these Are his real opinions Or do you think That he finds a lane that he can be successful in.

[1330] I think he's a bit of both.

[1331] Do a lot of Oxycontinent, bang a lot of women, and drive around to Rolls Royce and smoke cigars, and just talk craziness.

[1332] Probably a little bit of both because one starts to reinforce the other.

[1333] That's a problem with characters.

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] We see that with comics.

[1336] Right.

[1337] Like Dice.

[1338] It's a perfect example.

[1339] Who I love.

[1340] Right.

[1341] Love Dice.

[1342] Dice used to be Andrew Silverstein.

[1343] And the Dice man was one of the characters that he did.

[1344] Right.

[1345] And then he just became that comic.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] But that was the great character.

[1348] that was a guy.

[1349] But he became that guy.

[1350] He leaned into it.

[1351] The same thing with Kinnison, right?

[1352] Kinison was a comic who became Sam Kinnison when he became famous and he, he, brilliant comic, Pentecostal preacher, crazy wild man, speaking in tongues, all that shit, tent revivals.

[1353] And then when he became famous, and he talked about it openly that it became, like, known as being like this guy who could do insane drugs.

[1354] So they would lay out a fucking line of Coke as long as this tape.

[1355] He'd snorted off.

[1356] They'd be like, it's him!

[1357] It's him!

[1358] Lay the drums!

[1359] And he would lay him and snort it off.

[1360] I'd be like, oh my God, I'm gonna fucking die.

[1361] Is it hard to be beaten out of his chest?

[1362] It's interesting.

[1363] I think Rush started kind of like Alex.

[1364] Rush started as a very like somewhat conspiratorial outside the mainstream voice on a small radio station.

[1365] And then I think he found the way to really make money was to take a side and stick with it.

[1366] Yeah, but that's the thing, right?

[1367] It's like you find a way, a place.

[1368] where you're, and that's, it's difficult for all of us.

[1369] But don't you think that's difficult for all of us?

[1370] It's hard for everybody.

[1371] But when you find a place where you're successful, it's hard to, we personally, without name and names, we've seen it in people.

[1372] Yes.

[1373] Like the right, lures them in.

[1374] And then they lean into it like, yeah, you're right, you're right.

[1375] And then they go into that and you see them change.

[1376] You see like, you're not the same person who you were a year ago.

[1377] Well, it's the way you said it the best, where it's like, if that's how you get attention, you keep getting attention that way.

[1378] And I think with Rush, he started to define this landscape where he became the mainstream media in America's decidedly, you know, left -leaning.

[1379] I mean, obviously it's a for -profit commercial space, capitalist space, everything like that.

[1380] But left -leaning in the optics.

[1381] And Rush was kind of that conservative voice on radio.

[1382] He was the insurgency, so to speak, against that popular culture.

[1383] and he defined that space kind of more than anybody and he was like you know he became this grandfather of that type of conservative radio and all the people that didn't feel representative they finally had a guy and they would give him so much love they loved him and they would drive around with him it's an interesting medium radio it's very personal because you're driving around a lot of times you're alone and a lot of times you're not happy and then you connect with this person on the radio who's there all the time.

[1384] So they're there every day at the same time.

[1385] Well, that's the same thing as podcasts.

[1386] It is.

[1387] Well, podcast is the evolved form of that.

[1388] But podcasts, people are more engaged as a listener because they've got to seek it out.

[1389] They got to, but they still feel very.

[1390] But radio, you would just turn the dial and then some guy's talking.

[1391] Yeah.

[1392] It was wild.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] Podcasts, the other thing about podcasts, and this is the thing that I've been talking to Spotify about, as much as people hate the comment section of YouTube, I think it's important Sure And I think It's one of the reasons Why I still have Clips on YouTube Was an imperative It was one of the things That I wanted period I was like You have to have clips We have to have clips up available If you don't want to put the whole show And eventually Originally the whole show Was going to be on YouTube And then the prop This is what happened I'll tell everybody When the Elon Musk episode happened The first one I did When I got him smoked weed And then there's this viral moment My manager said to Spotify, listen, you have to have video because they didn't want it to be on YouTube.

[1395] And that was the deal breaker.

[1396] I was like, it has to be on video.

[1397] It has to.

[1398] You has to have something, some video aspect of it.

[1399] You have to, that's where you get a viral moment.

[1400] You don't get an audio viral moment.

[1401] Right.

[1402] You need video.

[1403] You need to see Elon and go, you need to see that.

[1404] You need to see that.

[1405] And then they're like, you're right, let's do video.

[1406] And then they got into video.

[1407] And that's one of the reasons why there's so many hiccups in the transition between YouTube and what we're doing right now where they're in i can't talk too much but a lot of it is going to improve there's a lot of stuff that they're on the verge of releasing which will help a lot in terms of people having access to the video portion of the show but you you got to have comments i think comments are important because it gives people the sense that they're they can talk about they can talk shit they like they like to criticize they like to pile on they like to have their own little thing yeah and i think that's uh it's an important part of the show that's missing on talk radio, right?

[1408] On talk radio, they don't have that.

[1409] It is missing on that.

[1410] However, talk radio before the comment section was like this weird original comment section where people would call up and then they'd have regular callers.

[1411] So, like, you have the guys that have the top comment, everyone's fighting to get that top comment or whatever, you had regular callers that would call in.

[1412] And Bob Grant, you know, there's one guy who's called Bob Grant and he goes, you know, come on, get out with it.

[1413] I know you want to talk about the Jews.

[1414] because this was just an anti -Semitic guy who would just start from anywhere he'd be like you know the Columbus Day parade you know and then eventually would just go right to do so Bob so you'd have these regular crazy callers and it was the beginning of like all these weird things like Reddit or any of these things because like they would send Bob Grant and all these people they would send them song parodies they would send them artwork they would send them it was just this weird that's where everyone's like where is this all this male anger you know it's like it was there it's always there anger yeah whatever it is it's like there's always frustrated people that are angry you got to give them an outlet and the outlet should be kind of funny isn't it interesting that like female versions of podcasts when you come to like female anger like what are the top female podcast it's guys we fucked right yeah well then not no because they're on lumosity what's the other one call her dad call her daddy is the big one but what it is that they're girls talking about like stuff that they would talk about if they're hanging out with their friends right where no No one was listening.

[1415] And that is, it's not political and it's not.

[1416] Or murder.

[1417] That's a big one.

[1418] They love, they love murder.

[1419] They love serial killer shows.

[1420] They love murder.

[1421] And they love those A &E unsolved mysteries.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Well, there's a lot of women out there that are like, I hope someone cares enough about me to throw me in a trunk.

[1424] That's not what it is.

[1425] That's, I think that's a lot of what it is.

[1426] No, they're vulnerable.

[1427] Well, sure.

[1428] They want to understand what, psychosexual thing, sure.

[1429] No, that's not what I'm saying.

[1430] No. They want to understand.

[1431] the male violence.

[1432] They don't see the same.

[1433] They don't have that aspect of their brain.

[1434] Yes, but I also think some of them are like, hey, doesn't that sound nice?

[1435] Well, the only female serial killer that's on record is that we know of is Eileen Warnose.

[1436] Eileen Wernhouse.

[1437] Who made that movie Monster.

[1438] My friend Patty, she directed that.

[1439] She made it.

[1440] Yeah, it's a great movie.

[1441] It's about, and she would just kill Johns.

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] But only when they fucked with her, I think.

[1444] No. No, she'd kill them all the time.

[1445] She fucking hated those guys.

[1446] Well, she was abused and raped.

[1447] I know, but, you know, I don't know.

[1448] That's a fucking, that shows you how good Charlene Theron is, too.

[1449] She's great.

[1450] Charlize Thorely's the one that plays all the Asian parts, people get mad.

[1451] No, that's the Scarlett Johansson.

[1452] Right.

[1453] Thank you for Christ.

[1454] You're gay.

[1455] You don't care about these women.

[1456] I don't really care about these women.

[1457] I don't care about, I mean, I know who they are.

[1458] I think they're good actresses.

[1459] It's a big difference.

[1460] Yeah, I'm not like following Scarlet Johans's career.

[1461] I do like when she plays an Asian, though.

[1462] I think that's good.

[1463] I don't think it was an Asian.

[1464] I think she was playing a Caucasian in a role that was traditionally an Asian role.

[1465] Well, I support whatever she wants to do.

[1466] Me too.

[1467] I think she should play Queen Latifah in a biopic.

[1468] Whatever she wants.

[1469] I don't think that's advised.

[1470] I'm all for, I'm all for chaos and people getting mad.

[1471] Didn't she back out of a movie where she was supposed to play a trans person?

[1472] Yeah, she's always the one.

[1473] Is that true, Jamie?

[1474] It's always her that she's like, she's like always going to play someone that she shouldn't play.

[1475] It's always like, Scarlett Johansson is going to play Maya Angelou and everyone's like what the fuck everyone's like no and then she comes out she's like I just didn't realize the deep pain and I'm like oh yeah she's Harriet Tubman yeah she's Harriet Tubman just go out and own it and be like I am Maya Angelou fuck you if you can't see it I'm the greatest actress it ever live yeah she's not the apologizing but they just CGI her to make her black it's not black face right I'm all for it it's no different than avatar it's acting it's acting it's acting yeah so yeah she's uh she's an interesting character did you ever see that movie I think it's called Under the Skin.

[1476] It's an indie science fiction movie with Scarlet's.

[1477] I don't think so.

[1478] It's one of my favorite science fiction movies.

[1479] It's really interesting.

[1480] She plays an alien that I just got to remember the premise.

[1481] An illegal alien?

[1482] No, she's an actual alien from another planet.

[1483] And I forget what she does.

[1484] The skies of herself as a human female and extraterrestrial drives around Scotland attempting to lure unsuspecting men into her van.

[1485] Once there, she seduces and sends him to another dimension where there, There are nothing more than meat.

[1486] That's kind of fucking cool.

[1487] It was a good movie.

[1488] That's pretty cool.

[1489] 63 % like this movie and, yeah, 37 % of just pussies.

[1490] It's a good movie.

[1491] It's weird.

[1492] It's a weird movie.

[1493] You got to see it.

[1494] It's real weird.

[1495] Under the Skin TV series.

[1496] Wait, wait, wait, back up.

[1497] Back up to what you just had.

[1498] TV series leads to bidding wars.

[1499] Oh, there's a TV series based on it.

[1500] I wonder if Scarlet Johans is going to be in that, too.

[1501] See, the thing is, like, part of it, she's oddly beautiful right like look at that picture in the middle the up top it's very pretty she's very pretty but in a weird way like an undeniably beautiful but right untraditional in some ways yeah like exotic yeah kind of weird like like you would think she wouldn't buy in any bullshit right yeah pretty but probably too smart she dates colin jo's uh he's the writer on satire life right yeah he's just married to him yeah they're married we can update good dude really good guy you like him you know him he's a really good guy he gave me extra money he's just a really class act good guy friendly guy dress is nice dress is nice good dude yeah no he's he's a good dude and uh he wins he wins he wins he's like a harvard guy he's just he's he's killed it he married scarlet show hans he just killed it in life you know don't they have a baby together or something i don't know them that well.

[1502] She has a baby, right?

[1503] They might.

[1504] Does she have a baby previous to him?

[1505] I don't give a fuck about that.

[1506] But here's the thing.

[1507] She might be pretending to be pregnant.

[1508] She's pretending to have a baby.

[1509] She's full of shit.

[1510] Yeah, she is a mom.

[1511] She's a mom.

[1512] Her child's Asian.

[1513] I don't think that's true.

[1514] But I'm a fan.

[1515] I like her.

[1516] Hey, I'm available.

[1517] But there was a movie.

[1518] where she got in trouble I was looking that up yeah here it is Scarlett Johansson faced criticism for wanting to play a trans man in rub and tug first of all the name alone perfect it was announced that Johansen wanted to play Dante text Gil a trans man who ran a massage parlor and prostitution rang in Pittsburgh in the 1970s and 80s there was pushback asserting that a trans actor should have a chance to play the part shut the fuck up find me a trans actor that everybody knows that's gonna sell tickets the way Scarlett Johansson does like you gotta understand there's a business involved in making movies that's a great point it's not just about look and it doesn't invalidate her she's an actress like if she plays a superhero okay when she plays black widow or whatever the fuck it is she's not really a fucking superhero She's not, or a spider.

[1519] What is the one, is the Black Widow?

[1520] She's not really a fucking superhero, guys.

[1521] Right.

[1522] She's acting.

[1523] Like, why can't a regular heterosexual woman play a trans man?

[1524] Why not?

[1525] I don't know.

[1526] I think people are, people are like, hey, give the trans person.

[1527] But here's the thing.

[1528] How many people, though?

[1529] How many?

[1530] Of course.

[1531] And also, they got to make money.

[1532] So they got, like, movies are cast.

[1533] This is, and I just spoke to a big director recently, and I didn't even realize this.

[1534] You dropping names?

[1535] movie which he told me I was going to be in something he told me I was going to be in something and I submitted the audition and I didn't get it okay and and and then I lost $1 ,800 on AMC stock and I thought I was going to retire so can someone call Dave Portnoy and asked for my money where's the line holding I'm fuck now he's busy sampling pizza so I talked to his director he goes listen he goes they he goes they they cast a movie based on box office numbers of course I mean it's like it's It's, no one cares.

[1536] Yeah, if you're doing a movie and you feel like you're the perfect person for the role, but Marky Mark wants that part, it's over.

[1537] It's over.

[1538] It's over.

[1539] It's over.

[1540] So I don't know who they're replacing me with.

[1541] Probably Amy Schumer.

[1542] Probably the Rock.

[1543] Amy Schumer, that's a little, from me to the Rock, I think it's tough.

[1544] For me to Amy Schumer, I think 30 yards, it's the same actor.

[1545] I don't think it's even 30.

[1546] But, yeah, I mean, you know, Hollywood's, it's a tough thing.

[1547] Now it's even tougher, right?

[1548] Who the fuck is going to go to a movie theater now?

[1549] It's also the idea of, like, represent.

[1550] It's like, if my grandparents, And all the people that came to this country wanted to be fucking comedians or actors.

[1551] We'd all be fucking dead.

[1552] Thank God they had real jobs.

[1553] You want more trans people to fucking post office.

[1554] You don't want trans people, gay people or anybody to throw their lives away on this crazy profession that works out for such a small percentage of people that try it.

[1555] It's crazy.

[1556] What is the percent?

[1557] I mean, there's a better chance of being a professional comic.

[1558] That's a small one too.

[1559] Yeah, it's small, but it's self -actualized.

[1560] To a degree.

[1561] Yes.

[1562] To a degree.

[1563] To a degree.

[1564] Listen, if you're undeniable, if you're really funny, you keep going.

[1565] Some people think they're undeniable.

[1566] Yeah, but that's wrong.

[1567] But if you literally are funny, I mean, that's like fighters.

[1568] Some guys think they can kick everyone's ass.

[1569] They find out.

[1570] They find out.

[1571] They meet Camaro Usman and they get fucking brain damage.

[1572] They got killed.

[1573] Listen, there's a lot of people out there that think they're the shit.

[1574] But comedy is, at the end of the day, it really is something that, in a sense, it's pure.

[1575] Sure.

[1576] Because, you know, I had this conversation with Ali Wong.

[1577] She's like, do you think comedy is a meritocracy?

[1578] And I said, I think it's one of the rare ones it really is.

[1579] She goes, I agree.

[1580] Right.

[1581] It's like, it is, if you are up there and you make them laugh.

[1582] Like, one of the things that's the saddest to me is watching people who are talented to a degree, but lazy.

[1583] And they blame other extraneous outside forces and pressures for why they didn't make it in stand -up comedy.

[1584] I'm like, man, that's rarely the case.

[1585] Look at Joey Diaz.

[1586] You know, look at, look at, there's a lot of people that are just, they just don't fit any fucking mold, but they're so undeniable that they make it.

[1587] Yeah.

[1588] Right.

[1589] So what, what stops someone from achieving success?

[1590] Well, a lot of times it's a lack of introspection.

[1591] It's a lack of objectivity.

[1592] It's a lack of looking at your act and saying, well, why aren't people showing up?

[1593] Right.

[1594] Why aren't people filling these clubs?

[1595] Why aren't people fill in the theaters?

[1596] What's happening here.

[1597] I also think it's a tough thing.

[1598] You've got to get into it at the right time.

[1599] You've got to be ready to do it.

[1600] You've got to have your vices in check.

[1601] Or not.

[1602] Or not.

[1603] But, or not.

[1604] Here's the big one.

[1605] I think that's unrecognized.

[1606] I think I've really zeroed in on.

[1607] Yeah.

[1608] It's community.

[1609] Right.

[1610] We support each other.

[1611] If we don't support each other, we don't mean as much.

[1612] That's 100 % right.

[1613] It means.

[1614] That's one of the reasons why so many guys you're thinking about coming out here to Austin.

[1615] Because they know that we'll support them.

[1616] I think it's still a tough thing to do, even with all that stuff, and you've got to be ready to go to war.

[1617] Like, you've got to be ready to fight for 10 years or however long it takes.

[1618] At least 10 years.

[1619] Yeah, at least 10.

[1620] And it's a very tough thing to do.

[1621] But that's what makes it special and all the things you said are important.

[1622] But like, you meet certain people and you go, that guy could have been really funny or that girl could have been really funny.

[1623] But like, you know, they get off to train.

[1624] They get married.

[1625] They get sidetracked.

[1626] they get lazy and they have lives also some of them have lives some of them get lazy and they don't write enough they don't write enough yeah a lot of them get lazy they don't do enough a lot of them don't do like a podcast or don't do like what I try to do I try to do like a bunch of be funny on a bunch of different platforms which saved my life because when the stage was taken away I was like okay well I have this podcast I can make these funny videos and we could do these things and like I try I need I need to create shit and make shit you know so well not just that you also need to be crazy enough Joe Some people aren't crazy enough.

[1627] You've got to be a little crazy.

[1628] Well, they're not crazy enough in the right ways.

[1629] Like sometimes they're crazy, but they're crazy in this blame everybody else way.

[1630] Yeah.

[1631] Which is really dangerous.

[1632] Right.

[1633] It's really dangerous because you can get people that agree with you.

[1634] And then it doesn't help you.

[1635] If you blame everybody else, the problem with that is there's no solution.

[1636] Right.

[1637] Because everybody else is the problem.

[1638] But if you look at yourself and you go, how could I have maximized my impact?

[1639] I like to do both.

[1640] I like to do both.

[1641] Like I like to work very hard and still blame.

[1642] blame others that's not bad i like to still be cynical and angry and blame everyone but also work very hard i like what you're saying those are very few people do that but i don't want to lose my negativity and my ability to say fuck these people but i also work very hard but most people can't do but most people go well fuck it then and i'm like i'll complain for a half hour and then i go all right i'm going to go do all the stuff i got to do and people like really it's like yeah it's what i do well that that fuck it then is a fucking dangerous perspective it's dangerous yeah because it doesn't help you and it's like you've you've encountered a puzzle and you've got to think about it like a boss in a video game like you hit that final level and you can't figure out how to beat it and you're like it's not possible right but it is possible because other people have beaten it other people have done it you know like I had this conversation with my mom at one point in time where she was just you know she was saying like uh she was talking to me about comedy it just seems so hard like I go but but you've seen professional comedians that you like right right they did it oh yeah I go well what what do you think is the difference right she was like i don't think you're funny yeah well that gave you the motivation you need no no it was i thought it was hilarious because my mom is a wonderful person yeah she's you know it's not a job for everyone my mom is but my mom this is the thing it's like my mom is not a supportive person in the sense that she's never said you can do anything right she's always been like whoa i don't know why you're doing that but that was the case with martial arts that was the case and that's a lot of people's moms but but it's not a bad thing because they worry about the odds of you being successful i think the worst thing is a parent who goes you can do everything because that is worse that's bad because you can't i mean the advice that my generation got was very like pie in the sky it was like you could do anything you want follow your dreams but it was like there was no like there was no next part of that which is like by the way work sacrifice risk you got to be you got to tolerate levels of risk right i think that's part of it with comedy got to tolerate levels of risk you got to do something for a while not earn money hope it works out and then you got a you got a you know it's a little risky and depending on where you are in your life some people are better suited to do that than others you also have to accept the grind and some people they want a break they want to they want a point where they can they cross the finish line and they're done can't they made it yeah i made it and there's a real problem with comics who cross that finish line in terms of like they get on a television show and then we used to see that at the store all the time people who were decent comics but they would get sandwiched in between Jessleneck, Diaz, Shafir, me, and they would get stuck in the middle of that and they would just eat shit and they would be angry and they'd be angry at the store.

[1643] Right.

[1644] And it's not the store.

[1645] Yeah, it's not their fault.

[1646] It wasn't, you were dealing with us, you were in an assassin's lineup.

[1647] And look, there's a parallel in jiu -jitsu, okay?

[1648] And the parallel in jiu -jitsu is like, if you were in a gym where there's a bunch of white belts and blue belts and you're a black belt, you go in there, you have, what's called an easy roll like people don't know they're not at your level and you can kind of tap everybody and you never get tapped but then you'll go to like some fucking crazy gem where everybody's an assassin and you get handled and you get angry those guys roll too hard they're gonna get injured they're this they're that but no no no they're willing to get injured they're willing to fight and battle it out at a different level they're willing to hit a certain RPM's that maybe you're not comfortable with because you can't do that every day if you have a life if you have a life and a job and a career and a family and a mortgage you're not going to put in eight hours a day on the fucking match some guys are and you can't be mad at them can't be mad at them and if you go to the store the store basically doesn't exist anymore but if you go to a place like what the store was a year ago seller or whatever it's more of the store yeah because the seller was really good it's a really great club but it wasn't the same sort of assassins lineup right you would have like Chappelle would drop in Retail would be there, but God damn it, there was nights at the store where you would look at the line, we would laugh.

[1649] Like, this is fucking crazy.

[1650] It's like historic.

[1651] It's Tuesday night.

[1652] It's historic, yeah, yeah.

[1653] But you got to be in that life.

[1654] You've got to live that life.

[1655] 100%.

[1656] You got to be in at 100%.

[1657] And like, that's why the kid I'm with is in 100%.

[1658] Like everybody.

[1659] That kid I'm worried about.

[1660] Yeah, he's going to fail.

[1661] But you call him your opener.

[1662] That's a problem.

[1663] Well, he's an open.

[1664] He opens right now.

[1665] I was someone's open.

[1666] I mean, this is what happens.

[1667] You've called people you're open.

[1668] but like I want to be surrounded by people who are in it I want to be surrounded by people that are like I want to get better every day and that's a thing and that's important no matter what level you're at I think to surround yourself with people who are like truly about getting better and so many people are not and they look at but then you know you look at Bill Burr or Chappelle or you or guys that just have so many hours of material out and have crafted hour after hour after hour after error and you go fuck if i want to hang with those guys i got to be a lot better and people like you know uh you know you go over the store and you look at some people that are are not famous and they're amazing it's like yeah in order to be at that level it's you just got to keep working well this is the thing about being famous i think i have a responsibility when i find people who are very funny who aren't famous i want to get them famous right and i really i really feel that I have a pull.

[1669] I don't know.

[1670] I have a lot of responsibility in life, but I feel like I have a responsibility to this art form that's been very, very good to me. Right.

[1671] And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to really set up shop here.

[1672] Yeah.

[1673] Because I felt like because of this podcast, because this podcast is a gigantic antenna, it's a gigantic broadcasting station.

[1674] Yeah.

[1675] It's like I can get the word out about people.

[1676] Right.

[1677] Well, you've always done that.

[1678] You did that.

[1679] For me, you did it with a lot of people.

[1680] You built the scene in LA, kind of single -handedly, right?

[1681] Well, I didn't build it.

[1682] It was already there, but you just gave it a spotlight.

[1683] I used what I had with the podcast, and I said, let's jumpstart this motherfucker.

[1684] Yeah.

[1685] And I feel like I can do that here, and that's one of the things that I want to do.

[1686] And I think about it all the time, man. Right.

[1687] I'm like, my wife would be talking to me about furniture and shit.

[1688] Right.

[1689] And I'm thinking, like, I can build this motherfucker up.

[1690] Yeah.

[1691] I can make this place, Utopia.

[1692] Yeah.

[1693] make this place a stand -up haven't.

[1694] I really, that's like one of my main goals in life right now is to just figure out a way to as a person who's established and stand -up and financially established and secure, like you could just sit back and retire and relax in your laurels and just never work again.

[1695] Or you can say, I can make a difference in this art form and that I can give a platform and make and create a place where people are safe.

[1696] You can experiment.

[1697] You can take chances.

[1698] Like, I used to take Ari Shafir on the road with me, and I'd get him so high.

[1699] You forget what he was talking about.

[1700] Right.

[1701] And he'd go, I'm too hard.

[1702] I can't go on stage.

[1703] I go, dude, it doesn't matter.

[1704] You can't get fired.

[1705] Right.

[1706] I said this to him.

[1707] I go, you're my friend.

[1708] Right.

[1709] You never get fired.

[1710] Right.

[1711] I go, I want you to be free and free to fuck around.

[1712] Right.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] And he's like, oh, yeah.

[1715] I go, yeah, you can never get fired.

[1716] Yeah.

[1717] Well, he's been a little too free in the last year.

[1718] But it's debatable.

[1719] But that's the thing about giving people the space to be who they are.

[1720] Of course.

[1721] You have to give them the space to make mistakes.

[1722] Yes.

[1723] I feel like you can establish that in an environment like Austin that's not connected to Hollywood.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] Because we were always, there was a carrot that was dangled in front of us.

[1726] You can get a sitcom.

[1727] You can get a talk show.

[1728] You could be in movies.

[1729] And that was always the carrot.

[1730] Right.

[1731] These comics sort of hoard themselves out to become a part of that.

[1732] And there's a lot of good comics who'd be.

[1733] became terrible talk show hosts and terrible movie actors and whatever spark of brilliance that existed in their stand -up comedy in the early days that could have possibly led to something truly exceptional was extinguished and it was extinguished by this idea that you could become a part of this system that was very controlled and very censored and very like you could only exist you had to be left wing you had to be progressive you had to be you know You can't have any controversial opinions because if you did, people would come after you.

[1734] Like you had this like weird little area where as a comic like for a guy like you, that's not.

[1735] It's not going to happen.

[1736] It's not good.

[1737] It's not good.

[1738] It's not good that there's such a stifling of that.

[1739] But then there's also like, listen, there's got to be shitty shows for people that want to watch them.

[1740] So let a lot of those comics write shitty shows.

[1741] Let actors do it.

[1742] Let actors do it.

[1743] Let whatever.

[1744] Like to me, I'm like, hey, if that's what you want to spend your life, writing for whatever late night show, you know, fill in the blank, you can do that.

[1745] Listen, some guys could have been, there's a lot of guys who could have gone if they were here or they were in Hollywood in the late 90s.

[1746] They could have gone down that road.

[1747] Like there's the, the brilliant guys of today, like Schultz or Janus Pappas or a lot of these guys, they could have been seduced.

[1748] I don't know, I don't think they would have been.

[1749] Right.

[1750] Some guys of that level could have been seduced.

[1751] Right.

[1752] And drawn into the, and it's like, hey, you're getting $100 ,000 in episode to be on some terrible fucking sitcom where they have laugh tracks and there's no freedom there's no creative freedom death there's a there's a few of those shows that are still on the air and i watch them sometimes now yeah and it's but they're they're for someone right those shows are for people whose brains are broken my oxycontin that's a large portion of america so they have to have entertainment too like there's a lot like there's a lot of people out there that are not intellectually able to listen.

[1753] You talked about Wine Team for three hours.

[1754] They want to watch something stupid and they want to watch the show, you know, let them have it.

[1755] Yeah.

[1756] Well, listen, I'm not saying they should stop doing those shows.

[1757] Right.

[1758] I mean, listen, man, you should still make children's books.

[1759] Yes.

[1760] That's 100 % right.

[1761] It's 100 % right.

[1762] Modern art. You know, you want to go watch a bunch of fucking paint splatter on the wall with a fucking...

[1763] I feel like you and Austin is almost hilarious because it's almost like a crazy movie where you are teaching like blue -haired Antifa people to be comedians like because there's a lot of like really wild far whacked out people here and there's something hilarious about you like telling a fat activist that they should hold it down on the waffles and write more like there's something hilarious about you well you could do both you could do both yeah but it's a what it's a I've loved performing here I love it, and I'm excited to see what happens with it.

[1764] This is going to get crazy, Tim.

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] This place is going to be crazy.

[1767] No, no, it's 100 % going to be crazy.

[1768] No, no, I think it'll be crazy.

[1769] If I can stay alive, it's going to get crazy.

[1770] Yeah, I'm 100%.

[1771] I'm all in.

[1772] Yeah.

[1773] I got plans.

[1774] You know those plans.

[1775] I'm excited.

[1776] I'm excited.

[1777] Yeah, I mean, I'm here.

[1778] I'm excited.

[1779] I've seen some pictures.

[1780] I'm excited.

[1781] We got some shit happening.

[1782] It's going to be crazy.

[1783] Well, I can't wait to announce all the things that we have happening.

[1784] Yeah.

[1785] I mean, it's crazy.

[1786] It's going to get.

[1787] buck wild.

[1788] It's going to be crazy.

[1789] Yeah.

[1790] And Segura's already moved here.

[1791] He's out of bought a house here.

[1792] A lot of people are opening clubs.

[1793] Hinchcliff move here.

[1794] Yeah, yeah.

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] Yeah.

[1797] Yeah.

[1798] Yeah.

[1799] Yeah.

[1800] Yeah.

[1801] Yeah.

[1802] Yeah.

[1803] Yeah.

[1804] Yeah.

[1805] Yeah.

[1806] Yeah.

[1807] Yeah.

[1808] Yeah.

[1809] Yeah.

[1810] Yeah.

[1811] I'm, yeah.

[1812] I'm going to be a lot of different options for me or my, if I open a club, my club.

[1813] I'm not about any of that.

[1814] I'm going to about let's go.

[1815] Everybody.

[1816] Come on.

[1817] down, let's go.

[1818] I want to suck as many people into this vortex as possible.

[1819] That are funny.

[1820] Yeah.

[1821] And want to work hard, yeah.

[1822] People that, and then the people that are thinking about it, like, you know, I'm struggling, I'm doing open mic in Kansas City, it's not working out.

[1823] Come on down.

[1824] Right.

[1825] We can do this.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] We can do this.

[1828] Yeah.

[1829] Absolutely.

[1830] This is a fucking wild place, man. Yeah.

[1831] You know, and this place is this weird spot where they used to be run by the Comanchees 150 years ago.

[1832] Right.

[1833] to realize how nuts that is that's crazy yeah that's crazy 150 years ago like if you were a white person you were walking we were walking down the road here you'd get shot with an arrow right well there's a lot of people here that want that to be the case now a lot of people want to bring that commission it'll it'll be interesting to see i don't it's going to be interesting to see what happens with new york and l .a and when the quarantine's over and what like you know people are out there vaccinated things are better those cities i'd like to see get back not even have to get vaccinated you see what the numbers on covid are they're low well it's Biden became president they're dropping COVID was really excited about Biden and Harris yeah yeah they got dropped well COVID's over yeah I mean things are dropping and you know we're ready to go back to work yeah they've dropped by 50 the cases that's suspect no stop being a conspiracy theory it's fine that's a little suspect no no no yeah I'm not even a little worry yeah yeah well no I'm excited I'm back out on the road and you know I'm getting back to doing these things and hopefully these clubs start opening at a larger capacity.

[1834] My favorite people is you tweeted about this.

[1835] The people that have never worked at these clubs literally don't work and they're mad that people have to do it stand -up.

[1836] It's so great.

[1837] You'd think if comedy, like you'd think if you went to be in finance and it didn't work, you'd quit and leave.

[1838] But like it's like the idea of somebody just walking around Goldman Sachs complaining and going, these people, like just go away.

[1839] But they're on Twitter and they're angry that they haven't built a fan base.

[1840] They didn't work hard.

[1841] They spent their time drinking, drug, and whatever they did.

[1842] They just didn't take advantage of any opportunities.

[1843] So they're participating in conversations that are meant for people that are actually earning a living at this thing.

[1844] And they're not.

[1845] And never have.

[1846] And they're still trying to participate in those conversations.

[1847] So to me, it's like, fucking nut be if I started talking to UFC fighters.

[1848] Well, I don't actually think it'd say, like, what the fuck you have.

[1849] no place in this conversation.

[1850] Well, they're allowed to have their opinions, but they need to understand that we understand where their opinions are coming from.

[1851] Right.

[1852] Their opinions are coming from.

[1853] They don't look.

[1854] When I was 21 years old and I was an open micer, I remember wanting people to bomb and it's shameful.

[1855] You don't want them to bomb anymore?

[1856] No. It's so fun.

[1857] Are you crazy?

[1858] I wanted people to bomb that were going on stage because I wanted to feel good about me. Dude, there's nothing better.

[1859] We had a guy in Long Island once that gave me and my friend at the 25 -minute discussion talk, literally lectured us about how comedy worked and then he went out and bombed horribly and it was the greatest thing ever and then he walked back in and he looked at us and he went they were good and then he just walked out of the green room because the level of delusion is just enviable.

[1860] There was a guy that I worked with back in the early days of my career and he was the host of an open mic night and I went up and I had a pretty decent set but I guess I swore a lot and he's like Ladies and gentlemen, Joe fucking Rogan.

[1861] And he goes, can he say fuck enough?

[1862] Jesus Christ.

[1863] And so offstage, the guy pulls me aside and lectures me. And he tells me, and he goes, he had this bit.

[1864] And the bit had the word fuck in it.

[1865] And he had to remove the word fuck because he realized that the word fuck was hampering his bit.

[1866] And I said, I think the only way that bit works is if you say fuck right there.

[1867] Because it shows that you're actually angry.

[1868] And that's how people talk when they're really angry about things.

[1869] And he goes, if you want to work, and he goes, you remove those words, because those words are a problem.

[1870] You're getting, you're getting laughs now?

[1871] He goes, but you want to be a professional?

[1872] He goes, this is not a you do.

[1873] And he was like really dicky to me. And I recognized at the time, I mean, he was one of those guys who would go on stage with like a gas station attendant jacket on.

[1874] You know those guys would do that with like the name tag on?

[1875] They would wear the wacky clothes.

[1876] Hey, he was trying hard to be like a funny guy.

[1877] like striped socks on right I'm wacky yeah and then I shouldn't have done this but years later right I became successful kill this family I was on a sitcom I was working with him and he was the host and I was a headliner and I said I want you to go on stage and I want you to tell all those people about all these credits that I have that you don't right and then I want you to tell them how you gave me really terrible advice when I was an open mic or made me feel bad go ahead do that yeah and he looked him like this like yeah and i was like that's what you did i was an open mic or you made me feel shitty because you were bombing you right your life was awful right and you didn't like the fact that you were this like mediocre like middling sort of local stand -up comic and that guy suppressing all these other voices and that guy now is bill de blasia so you see how it all works out in the middle of nowhere yeah it was really weird but he literally he said to me. I said, I go, but the guys that I've always liked are dirty.

[1878] I go, the guys that I've always liked have been like, Sam Kinnison and Dice Clay's.

[1879] You're not Kinnison.

[1880] You're not Dice.

[1881] This is what he said to me. And I was like, but, but they weren't Dice.

[1882] They weren't Kinnis when they first started.

[1883] Right.

[1884] And he's like, all right, you don't want to listen?

[1885] You don't want to listen?

[1886] Fine.

[1887] Right.

[1888] It was a real shitty moment.

[1889] The Petrie Stock is coming out on Comedy Central.

[1890] And I want to watch that.

[1891] I haven't watched anything on Comedy Central in 10 years and and probably won't again after this.

[1892] But that's a guy that you knew.

[1893] I loved him.

[1894] And he, I mean, he's like, for the guys that I'm around and the New York guys that we kind of came up, he's just our idea of like what a true pure comic genius is, like a guy that doesn't give a fuck.

[1895] Well, he really stated his opinions.

[1896] Right.

[1897] He didn't compromise these opinions to make people like him.

[1898] He said things that you would agree with.

[1899] with, if you were alone with him having dinner and you would laugh.

[1900] Right.

[1901] And then he did that in front of giant groups of people.

[1902] Yeah.

[1903] And they would, like, some people are, whoa, what?

[1904] He'd like, I don't give a fuck.

[1905] And he didn't, he was free.

[1906] But he also didn't give a fuck about his health, unfortunately.

[1907] You know, and he was diabetic and he didn't take care of himself.

[1908] And now he's gone.

[1909] But he left behind a legacy of purity.

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] You know, and there's room for these wild people.

[1912] And this is the love that I have for Joe.

[1913] Diaz right like this is this this purity and for Joey like watching him struggle with like people suppressing him and I had an agent at one point in time that told me not to take him on the road with me and like it's it's really bad for your career this guy is he's not talented I'm like I go you're crazy I go you're I've been doing comedy for 11 years this guy's the funniest person I've ever met my life he makes me laugh harder than anybody I don't know what to tell you I'm like I'm listening to you like I had this conversation with a former agent that I had and he experienced that every step of the way because he was the guy that made everyone laugh in in the green room and he would go on stage and he would in the beginning like people had a hard time figuring out who he was and then somewhere along the line he didn't give a fuck anymore he thought he was going to get a sitcom right or a movie and he was like tentative at first and then there was some something clicked in Joey who was like in the late 90s where he went from being a guy who had like really inconsistent performances on stage to being a guy where the comics would go to the back of the room and sit down and watch when he would go on stage.

[1914] And it was just he didn't give a fuck anymore.

[1915] He figured out what made people love him when he was younger.

[1916] When he was doing comedy to prisoners literally when he was in jail.

[1917] He would go go go go go on stage and he would go on stage in prison and make everybody laugh.

[1918] Right.

[1919] And he figured out how to do that.

[1920] in front of all of us and then he became and I realized as a person who was when I met Joey O was on news radio and then you know the Fear Factor days I'm like I'm gonna champion him I'm gonna I'm gonna like this is what I like wild people right like I want I want and this is as wild as it gets I'm like I need to get this guy in front of as many people as I can right and tell him yeah because this is what comedy comedy is not always what you like it's what's like there's a lot of people out there that love a lot of comics like you're allowed it's like music like I'm not a jazz fan but I get that people love it right people that I'm friends with Alonzo Bowden he does jazz tours right I love Alonzo I don't get it I listen and it's like make a bunch of fucking noise right right right I don't get it yeah yeah yeah yeah people love it yeah they love it you're allowed to love right you're allowed to right yeah I love, yeah, you're allowed.

[1921] She's great.

[1922] She's very talented.

[1923] Yeah.

[1924] You're allowed to love wild shit, too.

[1925] We don't live that long, Tim Dillon.

[1926] Yeah, that's a good point.

[1927] I would like to see a romantic comedy with Reese Witherspoon and Joey Diaz.

[1928] I'm allowed to want that, too.

[1929] Where she just wants Coke and Dick.

[1930] Yeah, I'm allowed to want to watch a Jersey love story between Joey Diaz and Reese Witherspoon.

[1931] And Scarlett Johansett can play Joey Dias.

[1932] She can play an alien.

[1933] Yeah.

[1934] Becomes Joey Dias.

[1935] Why not?

[1936] Yeah, it's just, there's room for everybody.

[1937] And I think that one of the things that's important is, like, it's important to be able to criticize things that you don't like because there's parts of it that are valid.

[1938] But then it's important to just like, so go, who cares?

[1939] Right.

[1940] It's okay.

[1941] There's got to be a giving a take.

[1942] And people I think, and I think this is, the Trump era is over, people are now going to start, I think, hopefully, chilling out.

[1943] I think it's common.

[1944] I really do think it's common, whether people want to admit it or not, and I think people are just going to realize that, like, as you said, life is too short, to fight with everybody all the time about everything.

[1945] Like, it's just too, we got to get away from the politics and get into, like, something that's a little more important.

[1946] For sure, for sure.

[1947] But sure, that's, I think people like you are very important.

[1948] Yeah.

[1949] I appreciate it.

[1950] You're right here, but I'm going to say this to your face.

[1951] It's like you have this ability to mock everything constantly.

[1952] And I think that's critical because there's one of the saddest things is these comedians that have become like serious political commentators with no sense of self -deprecation, no sense.

[1953] I mean, they want to be taken seriously.

[1954] It's absurd and it's scary.

[1955] I mean, but it's understandable.

[1956] Yeah, it's understandable.

[1957] I think at a certain point, people just get sick of, you know, whatever.

[1958] wherever they're at, they're like, I want to do something else.

[1959] And they're like, hey, this is the route to getting attention and this is the route to being important.

[1960] I want to be, I want to write, you know, when Chelsea Hanler was tweeting about espionage, I was like, was she?

[1961] She was tweeting about like Russiagate at one point, like Trump being a Russian asset.

[1962] And I'm like, but did she ever like apologize for being.

[1963] But it's also like you don't know what you're talking about.

[1964] Like you've never read a book about the CIA or the FSB or the.

[1965] the KGB.

[1966] You don't know what you say.

[1967] You're talking.

[1968] You're just spouting off.

[1969] So to me it's like I, and I've read books on those things and I still know it's hard to know what the fuck's going on in that world.

[1970] So the fact that you have written books about like whatever and they're funny books about fucking midgets and shitting yourself.

[1971] That's great.

[1972] But then to then to go and say, and by the way, here's also my take on counterintelligence.

[1973] I say this is a little wacky.

[1974] It's a little wild.

[1975] You're out of your depth.

[1976] You're out of your depth.

[1977] You're out.

[1978] of your depth but being a famous person is intoxicating yes right yes and other people call upon you they want to find out what your opinions are on things yeah but you know do you got to tell them i don't have any yeah it's hard i'll you know you're gonna tell them because like you're like oh yeah they want to know my opinions i must be important well john malaney did this thing on s andl that was really really funny when he did this thing where he's like oh old white guy's going to win no matter what happens and then people were like fuck you and then he had to come out and go, oh, yeah, yeah, I get it.

[1979] I'm not for Trump.

[1980] But he was making a deeper point.

[1981] He was illustrating a larger truth that was funny.

[1982] And he fucking, like, had to then come back and go, yeah, yeah, well, I actually.

[1983] So it's like with the, it's like with the Weinstein joke, it's like, I'm not going to explain the jokes.

[1984] So it's like you can be offended or you can not be offended.

[1985] But at the end of the day, it's like, I don't, I'm going to explain the joke to you.

[1986] Either you can get on board or not be on board and you don't have to like me. It doesn't matter to me. it's my job to make fun of shit and if you want a society where it's only the targets that you approve you sound a lot like those people on the left that you criticize or on the right whoever they're all sensitive yeah everybody yeah it's an apolitical problem yeah I like John Malini I've met him a couple of times he's a very nice guy and I think he's a very talented comic yeah but when I secretly when he not even secretly when he you know he had his problems with coke and booze i went oh okay he's normal yeah yeah part of me it was like he's one of us yeah he struggles yeah he's got things also he's got again he's leaning into love as much as rush limbo right not in the same way not in a hateful way right but he's you know he's this he's not being right right about yeah about the demons right yeah well it's not yeah well it's not yeah jerry seinfeld going to come out Yeah, when is he going to be fucking doing bath salts and punching people?

[1987] I don't think.

[1988] I don't know, doing them out in the Hamptons.

[1989] But you know what I'm saying?

[1990] It's like, it's the same thing.

[1991] When someone's that tightly wound or put together, yeah, there's a lot.

[1992] I get nervous.

[1993] A lot, yeah.

[1994] I get nervous.

[1995] I'm a lot more comfortable of people that kind of let it hang out a little bit.

[1996] Yeah, me too.

[1997] Yeah, but I appreciate the, like, I look at those guys are kind of like CIA agents where it's like they are very curated images and there's something.

[1998] something.

[1999] I, I, um, uh, respect.

[2000] I don't know if it's the right word, but like, it fascinates me. Fascinates.

[2001] That I watch it.

[2002] We know people, listen, there's a lot of people who are out there that are, whether they're, I don't know if it's living a lie or living, like, there's a lot of people that are just not letting their full self be known.

[2003] Yeah.

[2004] And that's okay.

[2005] That's a choice because a lot of people go, I don't want to get famous as me. I want to get famous as me. I want to get famous as this version of me. And I'm going to make it up.

[2006] Well, there's also things like pressure from your family.

[2007] of course From you know When I was a kid This is a weird confession But it's true I used to be really Uncomfortable with girls That I was dating That came from healthy families Right Right I wanted girls from single moms I wanted girls from divorce families Not that I wanted them But they made sense to me Right Like when I would date a girl And she had like A really healthy Mother and father And they were still together And they were dating Since high school I'd be like ugh Right They're going to hate me. You wanted someone who could have your experience, had similar experiences to you.

[2008] Well, alternative, you know, like chaos.

[2009] Like, when I was 21, I had this girlfriend that she had, her dad was a doctor, and he really had a really hard time with me being a comic.

[2010] Right.

[2011] And I was just starting out.

[2012] And he was like, what are the odds that he makes it?

[2013] That was what she said.

[2014] I'm like, we're 21.

[2015] Right.

[2016] Do you not understand?

[2017] Right.

[2018] Right.

[2019] Right.

[2020] But that's, yeah, I mean, those are those, some parents are really, it's a tough, you know.

[2021] It's tough because, you know, his idea was like, you got to be able to pay your water bill.

[2022] Right.

[2023] He's not wrong.

[2024] He's not wrong.

[2025] He's not wrong.

[2026] You do have to be able to pay, but you also, you don't want to wish that you were a baseball player and just sell insurance forever and just watch baseball and just dream and wish, you know.

[2027] Right.

[2028] But you also don't want to, you don't want to go around your neighbor.

[2029] going, I'm a baseball player, and everyone goes, no, you're not.

[2030] Are you out of your mind?

[2031] You go, yeah, I'm a baseball player.

[2032] And I'm in a baseball baseball Facebook group, and I have opinions about when we open the, you know, the stadiums back up.

[2033] Or I'm a comic.

[2034] Yeah.

[2035] And then you're like, well, where do you work?

[2036] Well, I worked at the comedy store.

[2037] Like, okay, I don't know you.

[2038] How do you work at the comedy store?

[2039] Like, oh, I did a spot in the belly room.

[2040] Oh, you did a bringer show in the belly room.

[2041] Yeah.

[2042] That's like a homeless person can do it.

[2043] You get found out.

[2044] My favorite thing is.

[2045] from Long Island where I grew up.

[2046] People's credits were physical places.

[2047] Like they would go, you've seen this guy in Atlantic City.

[2048] Please bring up whoever.

[2049] He opened for.

[2050] Or they just go Borgata.

[2051] You know this guy from Borgata.

[2052] And they bring him up.

[2053] So it's like Long Island had the saddest credits of any place I've ever.

[2054] It would be a guy who was brought up and they go, he runs a show every, you know, every Tuesday night at Ravioli's on Route 110.

[2055] Please bring up this guy.

[2056] And then he'd get up.

[2057] and it would just be, you know, it would be tough, but...

[2058] Were you around with Jimmy's Comedy Alley?

[2059] No, I started in like 2011.

[2060] Oh.

[2061] Yeah.

[2062] The hell is Jimmy's Comedy Alley.

[2063] You never heard of it?

[2064] No. No, it was in...

[2065] Is that like...

[2066] I'm sure there is...

[2067] Long Island had like 20 clubs in one point.

[2068] It was a bowling alley that became a comedy club in...

[2069] God, when I was there, it was 92, 93, yeah, somewhere around there.

[2070] And there was this dude, I wish I could remember his last name.

[2071] His name was Keith.

[2072] And he was really funny, man. It was like, he had potential.

[2073] But he fell into this kind of - Keith Anthony.

[2074] Yes.

[2075] Keith Anthony is one of the best out of Long Island.

[2076] And he...

[2077] He fell into this Bill Hicks thing.

[2078] Yeah.

[2079] He drove all the way to California in a Cadillac with no roof.

[2080] But it didn't have no roof like it was a convertible.

[2081] Right.

[2082] Like someone saw the roof off of an old catalog.

[2083] Oh, interesting.

[2084] And he drove there in the rain.

[2085] He gave me great advice, though.

[2086] He said, moved to New York City.

[2087] He goes, if you don't move to New York City, he goes, everything you do is a joke.

[2088] He goes, in Long Island, nothing will ever matter.

[2089] He goes, if you want to make it at this, move to the city.

[2090] And he goes, comics get seen in classes, so you'll come up with other funny people.

[2091] And he goes, you've got to be in the city that's, and I was going to go kind of anyway, but he really made me, like, move much sooner.

[2092] And he was like, this is how you do it.

[2093] So I'm all forever grateful to him.

[2094] He's a beast of a funny guy.

[2095] I was great.

[2096] Where is he?

[2097] I think in Long Island.

[2098] He came up with me. Yeah.

[2099] No, he was on, like, a list of, like, top eight comics to watch.

[2100] like the 90s or something yeah i met him in 92 yeah i met him at jimmy's comedy alley okay and the lady that i think it was in queens google that it was a it was a literal bowling alley in queens that my my manager jeff his friend ran and she was the manager of of him of keith right and uh i remember seeing him and i'm like oh this guy's like daring he's risk taking they were We became friends, and then I came out to L .A. in 94, and he came out shortly after, maybe 95.

[2101] It just didn't work.

[2102] It's tough.

[2103] I was on stage.

[2104] I mean, I was in the back of the room, rather.

[2105] I did my set, and he was on, and then he was on stage, and he was saying something, and someone just fucking called him out, man. Some guy just yelled out.

[2106] What are you saying is bullshit?

[2107] Like, you're just trying to be cool.

[2108] and it was this weird moment I didn't see him around after that I don't know if it contributed to it or if it was one of those things where he just decided LA's just too full of shit it's too industry because he was like this sort of avant -garde like he got read a lot and he wanted his comedy to mean something which was interesting about that he would do really well in Long Island because those audiences aren't the smartest people but he would really always do really well he did really well when I saw him yeah because he was very funny.

[2109] I mean there was a lot of those guys he was I think the most you know like as you said like intellectual of the group of people that were doing it it wasn't just funny it was funny but like he had like he was meaning yeah what he was trying to do that is that Long Island is kind of like a pit that you can fall into if you don't stay out like a...

[2110] Is he still in Long Island?

[2111] I don't know if he's still doing stand up I don't know what he's doing I mean but every time I saw the guy he would crush he was very nice guy was intense but very nice yeah i would give good advice and was very intense and um would you know was a cool dude we were in the same class so like he didn't give me any advice but we were always cool with each right we was friendly i was asked him i said what like what differentiates the guys who like figured out and he goes you got to get out of here i'm like you're right like he was just that's sort of true but sort of not well it was the baseline it was the least you had to do was go to New York, right?

[2112] The least you had to do is go to a city.

[2113] You're not going to make it from Long Island.

[2114] Well, you can, but what you have to do is be autonomous.

[2115] You have to be someone who's not connected to the local scene.

[2116] Meaning that you don't do local comedy.

[2117] Right.

[2118] You don't do comedy for them.

[2119] Which is comedy for you.

[2120] Yeah, but still, you have to have a platform and that was New York.

[2121] Like, New York had all the hot clubs.

[2122] It had all the good agents and managers and bookers and all the bullshit like you had to get known there which I was trying to do but like he needed both yeah it's good to do both but all the people I know who started out in Long Island fell into that hole is he around let's call him he stormed the Capitol last week probably he's here right yeah he's got horns on he's in the capitol but he was really funny dude but a lot of the people that I started with in Long Island just stayed there they got past to the club and they never yeah there he is yeah I'm trying to find like a Twitter What is this?

[2123] This is like a podcast you did.

[2124] That's Carrie Kravis, who's funny.

[2125] She's out of Long Island, too.

[2126] Matt Burke's a funny guy from Long Island.

[2127] That's him on the right?

[2128] Yeah.

[2129] Wow.

[2130] What did he look like when you knew him?

[2131] Like a younger version of that guy.

[2132] Yeah.

[2133] And so he's still out there.

[2134] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[2135] I think so.

[2136] You had a show last year, so like I don't know if he's done shows during the pandemic, but I've been trying to find.

[2137] He was a good dude, though.

[2138] Yeah, he's always nice to me. Always nice to me. And I admired him.

[2139] I admired what he was doing.

[2140] And again, you know, We're talking about 94.

[2141] I was 27 years old.

[2142] He was probably similar age.

[2143] Yeah.

[2144] It's like sometimes people, they, you know, they want to be Jack Kerouac.

[2145] They want to be Bill Hicks.

[2146] They want to be this.

[2147] And they try to figure out what's the way to be.

[2148] And there's a few others that weren't nearly as successful as him that I could name, but I don't want to be cruel.

[2149] They just want to be artists.

[2150] And instead, they want to, like, sort of mimic.

[2151] And, like, a lot of us mimic people in the beginning that you, think like this is what this is what Dave a tell sounds like right he's a comedian I want to be a comedian too right and you sort of fall into this trap of mimicking people that you idolize and they you know whether it's uh idealistically stylistically whether it's uh ideologically like right you want to be someone who has the same impact on the audience that other people have had an impact on you and it's hard to just be yourself Like, there's these weird gauntlets that you have to run.

[2152] There's weird obstacles that you have to get over.

[2153] And I think this is probably true in any art form, whether it's in singing, in music, or even painting, anything.

[2154] Like, you have to find out who you are.

[2155] And a lot of times in the beginning, you're just faking it.

[2156] You're just mimicking, you're mimicking other people with your own ideas.

[2157] But you're mimicking, like, how would Lenny Bruce talk about this subject?

[2158] Yeah.

[2159] Well, I think that's true.

[2160] And I think that, like, it's a long journey to figuring out how to be comfortable as yourself, not only in life, but then you have to do it on stage in front of hundreds or thousands of people.

[2161] That's crazy, right?

[2162] So how many people are comfortable being themselves on Earth?

[2163] That's many people are not comfortable being themselves at Geico.

[2164] So the idea that they're going to do it in front of a room full of people is tough.

[2165] Fahim talked about that on the podcast last week.

[2166] He said, I had to figure out how to get comfortable being observed.

[2167] interesting and he was talking about being at Starbucks putting cream and sugar in his coffee and worrying there's a bunch of people waiting he's like I can take the time to put the cream it's it's just like it's a normal thing right I can't be worried about this right this is normal I'm allowed to do this right and there's like this really interesting observation because he's like this thing of like oh just get get out of here you know like we all have this worry that people are sitting here going the fuck this guy's taking so much time with cream.

[2168] I see, I'm such a different person.

[2169] I just stand there with the cream.

[2170] I yell at the people.

[2171] I'm like, do you have chocolate milk?

[2172] I want to make them.

[2173] I'm such a different.

[2174] I'm like, I can't even relate.

[2175] I'm trying in my head to relate to that.

[2176] I guess this is why I've kicked off Airbnb and I'm being posted about in Facebook groups.

[2177] But God, if I never thought about the people behind me at the Starbucks line.

[2178] Do you don't have any empathy for the people behind you?

[2179] No. No. That's why you cut the line at Waterberger.

[2180] Listen, man, you got to live.

[2181] There was an opening.

[2182] You took it.

[2183] survival, you know?

[2184] Yeah, I get it.

[2185] He was a better person than me. You know, but it is what admitting that, though?

[2186] Yeah.

[2187] What do I sell?

[2188] What do I sell tickets to my shows go, come see Gandhi?

[2189] The fuck's, what's that about?

[2190] No. Come see the Dalai Lama.

[2191] Yeah, come see the Dalai Lama.

[2192] Come learn moral lessons with Tim Dillon.

[2193] It's crazy.

[2194] I'm not doing anything super horrible.

[2195] No. I'm just, you know, listen.

[2196] Why are you comfortable with that, though?

[2197] What?

[2198] That.

[2199] I'm not doing anything super horrible.

[2200] this is what we're supposed to be we're not supposed to be like i am the greatest person that's ever lived which is why i get up on stage and demand 300 people pay attention to me every night because i'm selfless yeah that's a weird thing because i'm a selfless altruistic person i want everyone to pay attention to what i'm saying because i'm goof and i'm not even saying anything that important i'm goofing around in a tent and i want you to watch me because i'm a selfless human being whose heart is full of love no that's fake i hate it that shit.

[2201] You've got to be you can be a good person.

[2202] I'm good to my friends and people I respect and my family and whatever and I'm good to other people too.

[2203] I'm not a bad person but I admit that like everyone else I have piece of shit, tendencies and qualities and I admit that and then supposedly now you're supposed to lie about that so people respect you more.

[2204] It's fucking crazy.

[2205] But that doesn't work if you lie about it.

[2206] Nobody buys into that.

[2207] They like the fact you admit it.

[2208] Yeah, I mean, I had a feud with my aunt on my show where I just called out my fucking aunt.

[2209] For what?

[2210] Would she do?

[2211] She commented on my Instagram and said, yeah, said some shit about like, oh, you don't respect your grandfather's legacy.

[2212] I just went at her for 25 minutes on my podcast.

[2213] Yeah, and I just fucking aired out dirty laundry.

[2214] I got in a big fight with her on the fucking pot.

[2215] I just screamed.

[2216] And it's like, did you ever call in?

[2217] No, she would too.

[2218] She's a queuing on retard.

[2219] She's like on Facebook.

[2220] I mean, her fucking whole life's over.

[2221] Trump, Trump's her boyfriend.

[2222] Her boyfriend, Trump got thrown out.

[2223] She's in trouble.

[2224] What was the problem with the grandfather's legacy?

[2225] She's like, you don't even think about your grandfather's legacy.

[2226] Because you know the shit I say in the way I act.

[2227] And I'm like, you know.

[2228] What is your grandfather's legacy?

[2229] Well, he was like a family man and everything like that.

[2230] I'm like a fucking wild nut.

[2231] But so I just went at her on my show for 25 minutes.

[2232] Wait a bit.

[2233] So your comedy, because you're crazy and saying wild shit for laughs.

[2234] She was mad at that.

[2235] She doesn't like it.

[2236] Is that really the case?

[2237] Or is she just upset that you're getting a lot of attention?

[2238] Well, I don't know what upsets her.

[2239] But I think it's maybe a combination of both.

[2240] But I just kind of went out her on the show without worry about, like, you know, what I just, my job to kind of be honest in that time.

[2241] Did you mention her by name?

[2242] Not her last name, but, you know, but I mean.

[2243] She commented on your fucking Instagram, though.

[2244] She started.

[2245] She started.

[2246] So again, it's like, you know what I mean?

[2247] mean like sometimes you have to get in fucking things it's like you ever talk to her after the no i don't it's it'll be bad now if i go to like family party no it'll be bad it was a brutal brutal take down of her because she's a horrible person but she also doesn't like me she doesn't think i'm a good person so the only thing so that's okay we're all okay you're disrespecting your grandfather's legacy yeah something like that and then i went out and just told everyone her fucking you know you're a fucking cunt and here's why and I listed the reasons why what are the reasons well you know she's just a problem you know she never worked it's a whole thing I mean she never worked yeah I mean she's full of shit I just I don't want to go through it again because I don't want to like you know again I've never heard it I know but I've been asked by my family to kind of keep it you know but I mean family members she's my dad was like okay just we get it you did what you had to do your dad sister and we just got in a thing I'm willing to put it behind me but, you know, like she faked a drug overdose, for example, once.

[2248] She pretended to overdose on drugs.

[2249] So I brought that up.

[2250] I brought that up.

[2251] I brought that up.

[2252] I brought that up.

[2253] I brought that up.

[2254] How does one do that up?

[2255] Do you pretend to, like, pass out and you go to the hospital?

[2256] So, I mean, I brought that up.

[2257] I brought that up.

[2258] How am I not going to bring that up?

[2259] You have to.

[2260] How would I not bring that up?

[2261] Glass houses.

[2262] How would I not bring that up?

[2263] Don't throw rocks.

[2264] Whatever.

[2265] My whole thing is this, listen, we're paid to kind of be honest and put ourselves out there.

[2266] And, you know, you can't always be concerned with people are going to think.

[2267] Yeah, no, you know, you can't.

[2268] Otherwise, you don't get anything done.

[2269] Right.

[2270] Comedy without victims can be very boring.

[2271] Yeah.

[2272] I mean, it's just what it is.

[2273] It's like, you know, listen, I get, you know, that, you know, I'm not going to get a Nobel Prize.

[2274] You might.

[2275] The way shit's going, I might.

[2276] But I'm completely comfortable Didn't Trump get a prize?

[2277] Yeah, I mean, that's perfect.

[2278] You got nominated?

[2279] Which one?

[2280] For the Nobel Prize.

[2281] Peace, right?

[2282] The Peace one?

[2283] Yeah.

[2284] So, I mean, I'm okay with that.

[2285] I'm not in this to get a Nobel Prize.

[2286] Me neither.

[2287] Yeah, and that's the problem.

[2288] It seems like a problem.

[2289] Because a lot of people now are kind of in it.

[2290] I don't even want an award.

[2291] Have you gotten any awards?

[2292] No. I've got an award.

[2293] No. You can get awards.

[2294] No, they're not going to get it.

[2295] I mean, you know, who knows?

[2296] I mean, listen, there's cool awards, but, yeah, I mean, I'm more focused on, like, the idea that I can make a living at this is great.

[2297] That's the reward.

[2298] Awards for art are weird.

[2299] They're strange.

[2300] They're weird.

[2301] But they're cool when they meant something, like, back in the, you know, when it was, like, 1995 and the nominees were like, casino, leaving Las Vegas, Apollo 13, like, all these, like, you're like, oh, fuck, these are all good.

[2302] Now it's like, a horror.

[2303] Eyeheart Radio.

[2304] Yeah, now it's like a horror.

[2305] It's like the movies are, like, it's, like, insane.

[2306] It's like, you haven't seen half of them.

[2307] half of them are like the the webbies yeah the webby people come out and they start you know giving a political speech and just they're like you know it doesn't affect anyone they're like there's there's there were 50 % 50 % of the grips on this set were women everyone's like oh I mean no one you know why is that good who cares you know I mean it's just one of those it should be open for everybody remember when Meryl Streep came out was like mixed martial arts are not arts yeah it's not the arts who's going right at you yeah Yeah, she just doesn't understand.

[2308] It is an art. She was a great actress and one of the greatest ones, but now you see her it's like, it's goofy.

[2309] She's like, got to stop.

[2310] But she doesn't understand when she said that, what she's saying.

[2311] What she's saying is that, like, my version of art is the only version of art. What I think is art is art because this is how I define it.

[2312] Right.

[2313] Martial arts are an art form.

[2314] It's just an art form that's brutal and violent, and it's only really truly appreciated by people that understand and or practice that art form.

[2315] Right.

[2316] But when I see someone head kick somebody, it's beautiful.

[2317] And I know that sounds crazy.

[2318] What do you think about Cobra Kai?

[2319] Do you think it's legit?

[2320] I like the show.

[2321] It's stupid at the end, though.

[2322] Season one's great.

[2323] Don't ruin it.

[2324] All right.

[2325] I'm only on season two.

[2326] All right.

[2327] Well, in season three, Lizzo runs a dojo.

[2328] No!

[2329] Lizzo has a dojo.

[2330] She's like, you don't want to learn karate?

[2331] It's rough.

[2332] But you have to eat only vegetables.

[2333] I love how they wrote an article in the L .A. Times are like, Cobra Kai's too white.

[2334] It's like, it's a movie.

[2335] It's like they were in a movie.

[2336] Did they really say that?

[2337] Yeah, it was an article.

[2338] The whiteness of Cobra Car!

[2339] Keep going, please.

[2340] Keep writing all those stupid articles.

[2341] Eventually people are going to realize that it doesn't matter.

[2342] It doesn't matter.

[2343] What matters is if you stop someone from doing something because of their color.

[2344] It doesn't matter that people do it because, like, if a certain percentage of people do it, and they happen to be whatever, gay, straight, black, white, Asian, that's irrelevant.

[2345] It's whether or not.

[2346] they're being inhibited, whether or not they're being prevented from doing it, whether there's a barrier, whether someone gets to, like, hey, you can't do this because you're gay.

[2347] Right.

[2348] That's one of the beautiful things about comedy is there's no barrier to entry.

[2349] Right.

[2350] No one cares.

[2351] You can do it no matter what.

[2352] Podcasting, too.

[2353] Yeah.

[2354] Do you kill?

[2355] Do you kill?

[2356] Right.

[2357] Well, even podcast.

[2358] Like, podcasting is interesting, right?

[2359] Because there's zero barrier and no one has to even be listening and you still do it.

[2360] Like, if you just decide to do a podcast.

[2361] every week, and it was terrible.

[2362] No one's going to stop you.

[2363] Right.

[2364] You can just keep going.

[2365] Right.

[2366] And there's a lot of people out there doing that right now.

[2367] There's a lot of people that I know of that have been doing podcasting for a decade, and they're awful.

[2368] And no one cares.

[2369] Amazing.

[2370] And they'll get a few thousand views or listens.

[2371] Wow.

[2372] But they're terrible.

[2373] And they just keep doing it.

[2374] And it's part of their identity.

[2375] It's like, do you remember those guys that were open micers that have been doing comedy for 20 years?

[2376] And they were still open micers?

[2377] Right.

[2378] And you would go, I don't understand.

[2379] But it's what they are.

[2380] They just.

[2381] they just showed up and it was okay it's like sad part but it's also part of what they enjoyed doing right like Monday night they would show up they would put their name on the list and they would go up last and then they kept doing it yeah there's a guy Robert William Approvire at the comedy store who was like this he was a lawyer who kind of went crazy and he was like semi homeless and he would show up the comedy store every week and every week he would go on really late at night and every week he would like have these like kind of funny sort of witty one -liners and right that was his realm you know and he got a he got like some sort of a juice some sort of charge out of performing you know even though he never became a professional in the sense he never got paid and yeah but he was always there you know there was a guy that used to get up and just scream scream about his wife and just he threw his phone once in a bit and it broke his phone and he just but this is like that's what he wanted to do there was a guy in New York City who would get up on stage and he would do all these crazy anti -Semitic conspiracy theories.

[2382] And then he would come in the back of the room and his daughter called him.

[2383] He's like, I'll help you with your homework when I get home, sweetie.

[2384] We were like, well, at least he's a good father.

[2385] You know, so there's an anti -Semitic conspiracy.

[2386] Yeah, he would just get up and be like, don't choose.

[2387] We all thought it was hilarious.

[2388] On stage?

[2389] Oh, yeah.

[2390] We thought it was so funny.

[2391] Because it was an open mic, right?

[2392] So we all thought it was so funny because he was crazy.

[2393] So we thought it was funny.

[2394] And then, but apparently he was a loving father.

[2395] So that's the thing.

[2396] Complexity of people is really interesting.

[2397] there's a lot of people out there that are just we don't know what animates them no no people are you know and i think i think that criticisms and uh commentary on people is all valid but i also think that like it's important to not dig too deep and not to be a shithead about it and just like you like you can mock things but you see them give them a hug we always try to mock things in a way that's fun us and not always fun for what we're mocking it's not fun for the people that are getting mocked not always but that's okay i mean that's it is what it is some of them like it some people don't like it at all like kately jenner had this uh fucking tmz video about me recently yeah said horrible things about me i'm like i get it did you see her go on bird show and bird has her call the dad and then bird's father because he was like a big fan of her and then before yeah correct when When she was a he and she won gold medals.

[2398] So then Burt has, Caitlin Genda, like, calls the dad, and it's like, Burt's like almost in tears.

[2399] Caitlin Jenner doesn't give a shit.

[2400] She's like, how wow.

[2401] Burt was probably hammered.

[2402] Yeah, Bert was like, Burr was like a big moment for Burt.

[2403] Caitlin Jenner was like, hi, just being a rich cunt.

[2404] Hi, huh.

[2405] Like, who cares?

[2406] It means nothing to her.

[2407] And then, you know, Bert's in there.

[2408] You feel weird saying her?

[2409] No, because Caitlin Jenner to me has never been a gender.

[2410] She's always been a murderer.

[2411] So it doesn't really It doesn't really I mean Identify as what you want You're a rich murderer But yeah that was an interesting one She's shooting a bone arrow with a fucking Is that a marshmallow on the end of it?

[2412] Good form though Really decent form A little tighten the grip Might want loosen up that front hand Yeah Yeah But she called me like transphobic and homophobic And all this time Have you met would you have her on?

[2413] Yeah for sure Oh, that'd be interesting.

[2414] No, I was just making fun of you.

[2415] Yeah.

[2416] I was making fun of you because you were a cultural icon who became the woman of the year six months after being a woman.

[2417] If you don't understand how that's hilarious.

[2418] That's funny.

[2419] Like, you became a woman of the year.

[2420] You only women who've been women for 30 fucking years.

[2421] And they couldn't be woman of the year.

[2422] You were women for a few months, less than a year.

[2423] It's funny.

[2424] And, but you know what it is?

[2425] Certain rich, like, people like that just don't have sense of humor and they just, it is what it is.

[2426] It's not only rich, not only rich people, but like certain people like that are just, it's, they're comedies like they don't get it, it's not for them.

[2427] They're not comics, and they're in a protected class now.

[2428] They're like golf people.

[2429] They want to lean, she's a golf person.

[2430] She's like a golf club, they don't get it.

[2431] She also wants to lean into that protected class.

[2432] Yeah.

[2433] And it's not that I hate, and I'm not, you call me transphobic all you want.

[2434] I'm not.

[2435] Right.

[2436] I don't.

[2437] I'm not homophobic.

[2438] I'm not, I'm not anything.

[2439] I'm not racist.

[2440] I'm not, I'm not.

[2441] But if you're a woman and you're a dingbat, I'm going to make fun of you.

[2442] It doesn't mean I'm a sexist.

[2443] No, it means I call, I just call things like I see them, including myself.

[2444] But the, my point.

[2445] I think she was fair game like those people she killed in Malibu.

[2446] There was one person.

[2447] One person.

[2448] You can't say people.

[2449] That's rude.

[2450] Yeah, it's like they.

[2451] But you can, because like they is a pronoun for a single.

[2452] They.

[2453] Yeah.

[2454] Well, you know.

[2455] Well, they didn't know what they were doing.

[2456] Good for her.

[2457] And I'm pro -killing in Malibu.

[2458] Some people.

[2459] people gotta go we can't all live forever but uh my my point was that i was trying to figure out a way to make fun of something that was kind of sacred right and that what i did was i made fun of myself so hard that by the time i got to them it was okay right and like i was literally talking to my friend tim kennedy who's a a literal killer for the government right right right soldier yeah and he we were we were just talking about comedy that like sometimes you there's a way to make fun of almost everything.

[2460] Right.

[2461] And it didn't mean that I, and that I was saying, I had that, I don't know if you saw that, I had this bit in, uh, my, uh, 2016 Netflix special called Triggered.

[2462] Okay.

[2463] And I had this bit about Caitlin Jenner.

[2464] Right.

[2465] And the bit was basically talking about my own experiences of living with women.

[2466] Women.

[2467] Right.

[2468] I remember that.

[2469] Yeah.

[2470] And it's like, they, they, they're like if, the bit was like, if my manhood was a mountain of marbles.

[2471] Every day they take two.

[2472] Right.

[2473] just steal two marbles like you have too many marbles but you need them it's just over time like eventually they just break you and then you're yeah and then and then the bit was like that that katelyn jenner was like living with these crazy women and that like like she's always been a woman i'm like maybe or maybe if you right live with these and that's the funny of it right that was the funny it wasn't it wasn't transphobic or even homophobic right the idea was to make fun of things that are cultural that are in the public eye that are also sacred cows yes yes sacred cows are meant to be slaughtered like what are we doing that's our job that's the job of people that do what we do is to make fun of if it didn't make sense people wouldn't have laughed yes that's the thing absolutely i closed with it for a reason yeah people absolutely it worked yes it doesn't mean you hate anybody right and i think that that's the only reason why i work because if people really think you hate someone.

[2474] Like if people that love you and that are fans of you, they think you really hate something, they're like, hey, Tim, like this is wrong.

[2475] Right.

[2476] They have to, there's a, there's a tongue and cheek aspect of it.

[2477] There's a, there's a humor aspect of it.

[2478] Yes.

[2479] That if we abandon all that, we are fucked.

[2480] If you abandon mocking things, if you abandon humor, if you abandon the, the ability to make fun, we're fucked.

[2481] Yeah.

[2482] We're fucked.

[2483] Right.

[2484] Because then you're going to let people develop these narratives and they're going to takeover culture.

[2485] And their egos are going to get so crazy and big that God only knows what they do.

[2486] And that's fucking when they get knocked down, it's good for them too.

[2487] It's very good.

[2488] You've got to become undeniable.

[2489] That's why you got to get on Clubhouse.

[2490] And what was that lady who's on Clubhouse also?

[2491] Taylor Lorenz in the New York Times.

[2492] Just waiting for you to say, retard.

[2493] And then, you know, but you got to get on Clubhouse.

[2494] But the person that said, she said someone said it.

[2495] Yeah, she didn't say.

[2496] Explain what happened.

[2497] happen.

[2498] I believe what happened.

[2499] Well, I was in the room.

[2500] Somebody said it describing, using the word to describe, it's like they always get in trouble, describing someone else who said it.

[2501] Describing someone else who said it about themselves.

[2502] Correct.

[2503] And she's talking about Walsh Street Beds.

[2504] Wall Street Beds.

[2505] Taylor -Lorens ascribed it to a guy who didn't say it.

[2506] Because that guy was a critic of her.

[2507] I guess.

[2508] I don't know.

[2509] Or she was a sloppy and wrong.

[2510] It could have been.

[2511] It could have been.

[2512] How does that person keep a job?

[2513] Yeah.

[2514] It's a great question.

[2515] Why do they have a yeah i i i don't know it's the new york times is really not interested uh in penalizing that type of behavior they're they're much more concerned uh with just you know putting out uh uh an ideological point of view over and over again to the point where no one cares i mean it's just new york times used to be so objective they used to be the gold standard they tried no they were in the day they were better than they are now they were way better they were the gold standard of information.

[2516] Yeah.

[2517] Well, I think it is everything's so weaponized right now that they feel like if they fire her, they're handing her over.

[2518] They're capitulating and they're handing her over to the enemies because they believe they're on one side and then the enemies are on the other side.

[2519] I know nothing about her other than this story that has come across my news feed.

[2520] Yeah, I don't know much about her.

[2521] I mean, she's a reporter who writes about the internet.

[2522] Well, I know about it because of Saga.

[2523] Right.

[2524] Talked about it on Rising on the hills.

[2525] Yes.

[2526] And, you know, it's maddening.

[2527] It's crazy.

[2528] There's a stand, like we need, if someone is saying something that is incorrect or is, you're wrongly attributing a quote to someone and then attacking them for that quote, like that's not news.

[2529] It's not news.

[2530] And it's a real problem.

[2531] It's a real problem.

[2532] Yeah.

[2533] So, and you were saying that like these clubhouse sessions, yeah, that people just sit in and wait for people to do that.

[2534] Well, she does.

[2535] I don't know how many other people do, but I would imagine.

[2536] that more people would because the New York Times just ran this article by her, I believe, who said, you know, unfettered conversations are taking place online.

[2537] It was hilarious.

[2538] It's like what the fuck are you talking about?

[2539] New York Times report on it's crazy.

[2540] It panned for a sounding alarm about unfettered conversations.

[2541] Yeah, so this is Taylor Lorenzo the retard, the reporter who talked about that, she's now saying that like unfettered conversations, like how dare people go online and speak freely without moderation?

[2542] It's crazy.

[2543] In the process, Clubhouse has generated debate about whether audio is the next wave of social media, moving digital connections beyond text, photos, and videos to old -fashioned voice of the article, which was first published on Monday.

[2544] In thousands of chat rooms every day, Clubhouse's users have conducted unfettered conversations on subjects such as varied as astrophysics, geopolitics, queer representation, and Bollywood, and even cosmic poetry.

[2545] What is cosmic poetry?

[2546] I don't know.

[2547] the thing about Clubhouse is like they'll have a room like I think it should be I was supposed first of all it's invite only so you get sponsored to get on it it's not public right now so the guy this guy Michael Gruen who's this bit the 22 year old investor Bitcoin guy got me on it just invited me on it he's very smart and business world and so I'll go on to just listen to people talk about things I don't really know much about but then there's a lot of rooms where it'll be like this is a Bitcoin room this room is about how do we and then there's a lot of rooms just about Clubhouse like how do we keep Clubhouse diverse.

[2548] Why do you think people have a problem with people talking about things that they might not be accurate about?

[2549] But isn't that like if you're a human being?

[2550] Yeah.

[2551] If you just enter into a conversation and like this one we're having right now.

[2552] Right.

[2553] You and I could just start talking about energy production and we don't have jack shit about it.

[2554] I think it's that people have very low opinions of other people and they think that other people are very susceptible to misinformation.

[2555] And in some cases, they're maybe correct.

[2556] But there's always this Faustian bargain that you make where it's like, well, okay.

[2557] does you know you're never going to stop everyone from getting fooled that's the thing with the Q &A stuff it's like you can't ban the Q &O stuff some people exist on earth to get fooled but they won't stop the flat earth people that's where like when it gets so preposterous when it's so ridiculous because the flat earth people I guess are technically aren't storming the galaxy right I mean they can't like there's a limited amount of flat earth people can do before anything happened look if you get one schizophrenic that shows up at the pizza place with a fucking rifle.

[2558] Right.

[2559] Right.

[2560] Right.

[2561] And fires around off in the ceiling.

[2562] Yeah.

[2563] Is that mean you need to delete the whole subject from the internet?

[2564] No. I don't think so.

[2565] What point in time do you say that this is not just ridiculous but dangerous?

[2566] Well, I mean, it depends, right?

[2567] It depends on what's going on.

[2568] There's a bunch of people that believe dinosaurs aren't real.

[2569] When do we step in?

[2570] When do we step in?

[2571] Never.

[2572] Never.

[2573] They've got to let these people talk about things.

[2574] And the other thing is, like, I think these people would carry a lot less sway.

[2575] if they were made fun of.

[2576] We just got to make fun of them and say that they're fucking ridiculous.

[2577] Yeah, ridiculous.

[2578] And retarded.

[2579] And then you go, you can't call them retarded.

[2580] Right.

[2581] So what do you call someone who's the full Q &ON?

[2582] Yeah.

[2583] You can and I can.

[2584] Yes.

[2585] For whatever weird reason.

[2586] Whatever weird reason.

[2587] But when it won't out a clubhouse at the moment.

[2588] But at the end of the day...

[2589] We're on a better platform.

[2590] We're on a bigger platform.

[2591] But I want you to come on and do a room.

[2592] I really do.

[2593] I'm not doing it.

[2594] I know, but we should.

[2595] And then the wine scenes come in.

[2596] We'll have to invite them up.

[2597] Should we do it right after this podcast?

[2598] Will you do it right after this podcast?

[2599] Do I have to join Clubhouse?

[2600] You have to just join it quickly.

[2601] I sent you a link.

[2602] Didn't Eric Weinstein send you a link?

[2603] A lot of people sent me links.

[2604] Dude, if we did a...

[2605] Naval is the first person to send me a link.

[2606] If we did Tim Dillon Joe Rogan -Rouman podcast...

[2607] What would we say?

[2608] Anything we could say what we just said here.

[2609] And people would rush into it.

[2610] More for you.

[2611] But I have a few fans as well on there.

[2612] But it would be a massive event.

[2613] Massive.

[2614] It would be massive.

[2615] It seems like a problem.

[2616] Joe Rogan on podcasting.

[2617] Jamie just nodded.

[2618] He said it's a problem.

[2619] It's not a problem.

[2620] He's my confidence.

[2621] Do you really think it's a bad idea?

[2622] No, no, no. That was a nod of like, you're right.

[2623] It could be a problem.

[2624] Yeah.

[2625] Why would it be a problem?

[2626] Because we say the same kind of shit we're saying right here.

[2627] But we do it in this weird form.

[2628] Yeah, but you could just say whatever you wanted.

[2629] It's Clubhouse.

[2630] You could talk about cosmic poetry.

[2631] Let's do a show on cosmic poetry.

[2632] You don't have to do it, but it's...

[2633] I'm going to have to get high for that.

[2634] Yeah.

[2635] It's a fun thing We're on it Five, six hours in night But that's not a good See, I have a lot of other hobbies Of course I like to write Yes I get up and work out I don't have time for that I have time Well you don't know No one's saying That you have to do it all the time But you like Elon Musk One of those guys You drop in Light it on fire Yeah but Elon goes on Twitter too He does a lot of shit Yeah he does a lot of stuff Yeah I don't know how he does all the things he does I think he has a few clones laying around It's very possible Well Q and on says They've all been cloned It's very popular Maybe they're right They say that Biden's a clone.

[2636] They still think that Trump is president.

[2637] Oh, yeah.

[2638] They think this is all some sort of, they're waiting for the grand awakening.

[2639] I mean, God bless them.

[2640] Anyone who believes in something that much is happier than I'll ever be.

[2641] It's weird to watch those videos, though.

[2642] They removed them from YouTube, but I used to enjoy them watching these people that were like, clearly, like, this was the first moment in their life where anybody was listening to them and taking them seriously.

[2643] And they would say, Q says that this is going to happen.

[2644] And they would talk about it.

[2645] It became an industry.

[2646] people made money people sent them bitcoin people sent them money to talk about q and to break it down to break down the latest drops and break down the latest things and why q what is the word the letter q well there was a bunch of anans when it started fbi and on this and on that an an on a q anon just stuck but what is q stand for who the fuck now i don't even know q clear queue clearance of the government cue clearance means it's like above top secret four levels oh does it's what it means somebody with a q clearance is above top secret and that's what it is oh it's all fun but it's too dangerous well it became dangerous when people wear fucking buffalo helmets and storm that's when it got ridiculous that's when it got obviously it was ridiculous before that but that's I understand people going hey this has gone a little too far well that's when like when people were talking about Trump being dangerous that's when they were right that's when they were right well yeah he was dangerous yeah but it didn't appear to be dangerous to a lot of people until the storming of the Capitol and then they went Well, no, he had a violent cult of people willing to do almost anything for him.

[2647] That's not great.

[2648] No, it's not the best.

[2649] It's not the best.

[2650] But it's also when you actually incite those people to do things, arguably.

[2651] Directing an attack on the Capitol's not the best.

[2652] I don't think he directed an attack, but he definitely left it open to interpretation.

[2653] It was pretty close.

[2654] He's like, they're in there doing what they shouldn't be doing.

[2655] Show strength.

[2656] It's very important.

[2657] Go get him.

[2658] He can't be weak.

[2659] Mike Pence is in there.

[2660] Go hang him.

[2661] He's eating kids.

[2662] Yeah.

[2663] I mean, he was pretty close.

[2664] It was pretty, you know.

[2665] They were ready to go out for pants.

[2666] But, you know, this is a guy that understands reality TV.

[2667] That was a finale.

[2668] And it was a big one.

[2669] It was a good finale.

[2670] He was, this is a guy that understands, like, he wanted to go out big.

[2671] He went out big.

[2672] And now he's, I don't think he wanted to go out.

[2673] Well, he didn't want to go out.

[2674] He thought, I think he thought that, like, the military and the police and people were going to rise up.

[2675] And I think he thought it was going to be, I really believe he thought it was going to be, like, a crazy, like, storm the capital until, like, there was a new election.

[2676] I think they were going to overturn.

[2677] I think he really believed they were going to overturn.

[2678] the election.

[2679] Correct.

[2680] Yeah.

[2681] And that's why he was calling when the politicians in Georgia saying, you could be a hero or a pussy.

[2682] Right.

[2683] Yeah.

[2684] He was doing that.

[2685] Just like Andrew Cuomo.

[2686] They all do the same shit.

[2687] They all just call people up and threaten them.

[2688] Well, do you imagine the pressure of being the president and to be hated as much as that guy was when all of your life you've been nothing but loved.

[2689] All of your life.

[2690] And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, when you're 73 or whatever the fuck he was, it became the president.

[2691] It was also like an amazing practical joke that he like started and then became the president.

[2692] Right.

[2693] He didn't really want to be president.

[2694] He wanted to develop ratings for the apprentice.

[2695] And then he just became, but that's how fuck the country was.

[2696] Like they were so fucked up.

[2697] People like, no, we're going to make this guy president.

[2698] Not just fucked, but the whole media system.

[2699] I just read Hate Inc. from Matt Taibi.

[2700] Yeah.

[2701] And he goes into depth about how this started really in the 80s with Reagan.

[2702] And like where this whole.

[2703] the media developed this sort of industry that was based upon getting people really upset about things.

[2704] And then, of course, with social media and the algorithms of Facebook and all these, it became weaponized where people leaned into the things that they hated and then it generated extreme wealth for the people that ran Facebook and all these social media sites.

[2705] And then that became their sort of business model, whether it's CNN or CNBC.

[2706] you know CNN's ratings dropped 45 % right after Trump left office right and Fox dropped a lot of them dropped because like it became no it's no booing that's boring now dude it's boring there's nothing left I mean now it's just like shut it the fuck down shut CNN down make Chris Cuomo working in Italian deli like these motherfuckers are done let him help his thug brother like dude there's nothing laughed there's not a thing left for the these people who Fox News is going to still sell gold coins to elderly dementia patients in between whatever they're selling some fucking commemorative pan or apocalypse food a rush Limbaugh Christmas ornament whatever it is just let them fucking do it and let's all go back to living like people yeah I like what you're saying let's hope enjoy clubhouse enjoy clubhouse all right we'll do a quick one after this are you really we'll do this I'll fuck yeah because no one will know because this isn't live so we'll we'll go Oh, just go on club.

[2707] That's going to be great.

[2708] You've got to sign up.

[2709] Yeah, but I don't want that fucking app on my phone.

[2710] Then you delete it right after, Joe.

[2711] I don't trust anybody.

[2712] Delete it.

[2713] And that people are going to come up, and they're going to try to be speakers.

[2714] I have multiple phones.

[2715] And you'll tell me, you'll go.

[2716] Yeah.

[2717] You're many phones.

[2718] Yeah, but that's a good idea.

[2719] It's a good idea.

[2720] Oh, I've got three now.

[2721] Yeah.

[2722] That's crazy.

[2723] I have three levels.

[2724] Of A, B, and C. You're A. Congratulations.

[2725] Oh, I appreciate it.

[2726] Thank you very much.

[2727] Very good.

[2728] This is ABC.

[2729] This is everything.

[2730] One phone.

[2731] The problem.

[2732] with that is like they're tracking you oh i'm being tracked if they're not tracking me they're not working yeah that's what i said yeah that's what i said they're they're tracking sometimes i talk to the phone yeah so listen bitch i'm about to jerk off yeah you want to watch yeah do you say that too i have one person i talked to on the phone a lot and like we always hear weird noise on our phones for saying hey if you're listening by the way this is what we're talking to a friend of mine and it in like a dial tone yeah i'm like what am i in the 80s yeah that's Dude, I've gone on my phone where it literally sounds like they're like, I hear crackling and it's weird.

[2733] I'm like, I don't know what it is.

[2734] I don't want to be paranoid, but I'm like, the week I did that Alex Jones podcast with you, the phone was like wonky.

[2735] It was a week before the election.

[2736] Yeah.

[2737] Something.

[2738] They're looking for the boogeyman now.

[2739] That's what's interesting.

[2740] They're looking for the next boogeyman.

[2741] Who's going to be the bad guy?

[2742] Who's going to be the next Trump?

[2743] I don't know.

[2744] Not me, hopefully.

[2745] I wonder what's going to have.

[2746] happen in 2024, you know, I wonder how this is going to go down.

[2747] Kamala versus Nikki Haley.

[2748] Who's Nikki Haley?

[2749] That, uh, Republican, yeah, from South Carolina or something.

[2750] What does she do again?

[2751] I don't know, but it'll be, yeah, it'll be Kamala and her.

[2752] Maybe not, but I'm, that's my bet.

[2753] The Republicans put up a woman, women, Democrats put up a woman.

[2754] I think it would be DeSantis.

[2755] I think it would be guys from Florida.

[2756] Might be.

[2757] I think that, listen, listen, that guy, Whatever you want to think about them, if you look at the COVID numbers, like, he makes a really good point.

[2758] Like, the numbers are not, like, they opened up fucking everything in Florida.

[2759] Schultz is down there in Florida.

[2760] Yeah.

[2761] You said they look at you like a pussy if you have a mask on.

[2762] And meanwhile, their numbers aren't elevated.

[2763] Their deaths aren't elevated.

[2764] They're not, yeah.

[2765] We don't know the third or four of the state.

[2766] But Florida, they'll, they'll, they'll do it.

[2767] They'll fudge your number, too.

[2768] They'll throw you into the fucking lagoon.

[2769] They'll get to eat by an alligator.

[2770] They don't know the numbers.

[2771] The numbers.

[2772] But, yeah, I think it'll be Haley versus Harris.

[2773] Who knows?

[2774] Yeah.

[2775] I just want to go back.

[2776] Let's all go back to bed for eight years.

[2777] And then in 2028, when it's like, who knows?

[2778] God only knows what Q and not will be that.

[2779] I'll be alien and on.

[2780] I think what's going to save us is something along the lines of neuralink.

[2781] Something that allows you to legitimately read people's intentions.

[2782] Legitimately understand how a person's thinking.

[2783] So the people that are full of shit.

[2784] It gets exposed like it's a purple light.

[2785] Well, that's very interesting.

[2786] I think that's maybe one of the only things is going to save us.

[2787] And I think that we're putting ourselves into, we're boxing ourselves into this corner.

[2788] Right.

[2789] And I think that with technology, we're boxing ourselves, right?

[2790] With Facebook and Twitter and this addiction to commentary and input.

[2791] And maybe the only thing that's going to save us from disingenuous people that are using these platforms to express these dishonest opinions like where they don't really think this way they're just trying to manipulate people and use these narratives to try to gather attention and like we were talking about before lean into the love and lean into the attention lean into what's getting them praise and then we're gonna if there's some sort of revolutionary advance in communication the same way the internet was right we didn't see the internet coming the 90s rolled around then all of sudden people on aOL and and, you know, you know, meeting up in chat rooms.

[2792] And remember the early days of AOL?

[2793] There was a lot of fucking kitty porn that was being distributed through AOL.

[2794] Yeah.

[2795] My friend Barry Crimmons.

[2796] Yeah.

[2797] He was like a documentary about it.

[2798] Yeah, because he was abused and he was a child.

[2799] He was raped.

[2800] Yeah.

[2801] And he talked about it.

[2802] He got them to remove that shit.

[2803] But they were aware of it and they were keeping it up.

[2804] Right.

[2805] This is the 90s.

[2806] Really?

[2807] Yes.

[2808] The Barry Crimmins documentary, Bobcat Goldway did it.

[2809] And it is fucking brilliant.

[2810] it's fucking brilliant and it's it's scary because you realize like Jesus Christ this was just 20 plus years ago they were doing this where they were allowing this stuff to to live it and they felt like oh it's the internet I don't have to do anything about it like you know you have to stop this like these people are even victimized this child porn crazy yeah and yeah and Barry because of his own past because of his own his history of being raped and abused you know I fucking love that guy he was when I started out in comedy he was the boogeyman in a good way like he was the guy that kept everybody in line because he was like very politically savvy very intelligent very and very he hated hacks he hated liars and he hated he hated joke thieves right he forced them out of comedy man yeah like he he was like the police enforcer because he was the the smart guy right and amongst like a lot of you know the other guys are smart too but they were like wild people like the boston comedy scene was filled with guys like lennie clark and don gavin they were doing coke and and and fucking drinking shots every night they're animals savage hilarious but savages right and then you had barry krimmins who was this also brilliant comedian but had a moral compass and ethical compass and understood the political world in a way that these guys didn't and he was the guy like when i when that guy was nice to me i was I was like, who, yeah.

[2811] Like, really, I was nervous, man. He was the guy I was fucking nervous about it when I was starting out in Boston.

[2812] Yeah.

[2813] And it was, you kind of need a person like that in a scene to kind of...

[2814] You do.

[2815] But Neurrelink is a little scary, too, because you're putting a chip in your head.

[2816] Yeah, but it's all scary, man. You got a chip in your pocket.

[2817] That's a good point.

[2818] You got a thing on your fucking table right now.

[2819] I'm ready.

[2820] You're addicted to Clubhouse.

[2821] I'm addicted.

[2822] I think the way you feel about Neurrelink, I feel about Clubhouse.

[2823] I believe that'll save us.

[2824] It might.

[2825] It might.

[2826] It might.

[2827] Probably not.

[2828] All of it might.

[2829] I think we're in a, we're in a, this tumultuous period where we're working these things out.

[2830] But I think ultimately we're going to figure it out.

[2831] I'm always, I've always been an optimist.

[2832] As much as I've been a critic of things, I'm very optimistic.

[2833] I genuinely love people.

[2834] Right.

[2835] As much as people are mean and people are vicious and people are, I think a lot of that is because they're scared.

[2836] and they're sad and they're angry and their failures and they don't have their own shit together.

[2837] I think that's what causes people to lash out and lie and attack and all the different things that people do that are so problematic and so, they're so gross.

[2838] But I think all that is based on fear.

[2839] You know, for the whole, like if you can give people a low level, like a micro dose of ecstasy all the time, just a micro -dose.

[2840] dose of MDMA.

[2841] Just enough to be like, it doesn't matter.

[2842] Right.

[2843] What's important really?

[2844] It's not these insecurities that keep us clashing with each other.

[2845] That's mostly what it is.

[2846] Right.

[2847] If we could just be nice to each other, the real problems of life are, they're not as big as we think they are.

[2848] Right.

[2849] We can work out most, other than health, death, injuries, you know, violence, other than those, It's like maybe when I skip the line at Waterburger, I'm doing it out of fear.

[2850] Yeah.

[2851] You're scared to go hungry.

[2852] And I have to evolve to realize that I can't come from that scarcity mindset.

[2853] Whoever that person is that ratted Tim Dillon out, reach out to us.

[2854] Please reach out to us.

[2855] We'll have you on here with Tim.

[2856] I'm just like Governor Rabbit.

[2857] It's Ted Cruz.

[2858] It's Ted Cruz and his daughters.

[2859] Ted Cruz and his daughters on the way to Cancun.

[2860] He just wanted a quick cheeseburger.

[2861] You piece of shit.

[2862] Fuck him.

[2863] Yeah.

[2864] So are you stuck here?

[2865] No, I'll leave it tomorrow morning, supposedly.

[2866] Hopefully at 7 a .m. You really have a flight?

[2867] 7 a .m. going over to Providence.

[2868] Nice.

[2869] All right.

[2870] Going to Boston.

[2871] Thank you.

[2872] Listen, I'm glad you're here, brother.

[2873] Of course.

[2874] I'm going to have fun.

[2875] Thank you, buddy.

[2876] I'm really glad you're here.

[2877] I'm excited to be here.

[2878] It means a lot.

[2879] All right, buddy.

[2880] Goodbye, everyone.

[2881] Bye -bye.