Elizabeth Banks Returns

[0] Hi, Arm Cherries.

[1] It's Miniature Mouse here.

[2] I just wanted to add a little disclaimer to this episode.

[3] If you haven't heard SAG AFRA has joined the strike.

[4] So it's a double strike now with the WGA.

[5] And it is important to say that we recorded this episode before SAG went on strike.

[6] So when we're talking about projects and everything we talk about, please note that we have since striked.

[7] some things have changed.

[8] But I wanted to make that clear.

[9] Now let's on with the show.

[10] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[11] I'm Dax Shepherd.

[12] I'm joined by Lily Padman.

[13] Good morning.

[14] Good morning to you.

[15] Happy Monday morning to you.

[16] Happy Monday.

[17] Yeah.

[18] I hope it's a great week for us and for the arm cherries.

[19] It's going to be.

[20] It's going to be summers at a at a lather.

[21] Summer is here.

[22] Thank goodness.

[23] Yes.

[24] We earned it this year.

[25] Absolutely.

[26] Out here we did.

[27] Gang, we have a retreat.

[28] turning guest who affectionately is known, if you know her, as Liz Banks.

[29] That's right.

[30] I thought you were going to say E -Banks.

[31] Oh, I wonder if people call her E -Banks.

[32] I do.

[33] I hear her often called Liz Banks.

[34] But Elizabeth Banks is back.

[35] She's an actor, a producer, and an incredible director.

[36] We were raving about cocaine bear.

[37] Yes.

[38] Unsolicited way before she was going to be on as a guest.

[39] She directed that.

[40] She directed Pitch Perfect 2.

[41] She directed Charlie's Angels.

[42] She was in the Hunger Games.

[43] She has a new movie out that she acts in that's really, really great, called The Beanie Bubble, as in the Beanie Baby's Bubble.

[44] And if you're of my Jen, this is for you.

[45] It will speak to your nostalgia.

[46] It's so good.

[47] The Beanie Bubble is out in theaters July 21st and on Apple TV, July 28th.

[48] But go to the theater, have the experience.

[49] Enjoy Liz Banks, but enjoy Galifanakis.

[50] and maybe my favorite role he's had.

[51] You know, for all the armchair experts out there.

[52] The four prompts for August, Armchair Anonymous, these were all derived from Monica's brain.

[53] I want to give you full credit for these four.

[54] Well, we're all one.

[55] Okay.

[56] Well, number one, tell us about a time you ended up naked in public.

[57] Oh, I can't wait to hear how this happened.

[58] Number two, worst job interview.

[59] Tell us about your worst job interview.

[60] Number three, tell us about a time you're grateful you lied.

[61] Hmm.

[62] A white lie that turned out golden.

[63] Exactly.

[64] And number four, bad landlord experiences.

[65] And again, to submit these, go to armchairexpertpod .com, and you can submit them there.

[66] And if you're selected, we will call you and chat with you.

[67] So feel free to give us your stories.

[68] Again, tell us about a time you ended up naked in public.

[69] Worst job interview.

[70] Tell us about a time you are grateful you lie.

[71] and bad landlord experiences.

[72] Please enjoy Elizabeth Banks.

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[76] Your sweater says Dax has Dax's initials on it.

[77] It does.

[78] Yeah.

[79] I thought maybe you did that on purpose.

[80] I'm not that clever.

[81] You're not that nice.

[82] No, I did not even realize.

[83] I actually put on these jeans today, which I haven't worn in a very long time.

[84] They're cute.

[85] They're too much.

[86] No. Yeah, no, they're too much.

[87] I think they work well with the sweater.

[88] Well, that's what happened was I was like, I need to cover up half of these jeans.

[89] Because I'd already put my shoes on.

[90] I was like, well, I can't take the pants off now.

[91] Sure.

[92] I get that.

[93] So basically, this sweater was just to cover up the jeans.

[94] What do you think makes them too much?

[95] Like, you think it's an excessive amount of holes or you're showing too much leg?

[96] Look how much holes.

[97] How are you doing, Liz Banks?

[98] Be honest with me. Don't sugarcoat it.

[99] Oh, okay.

[100] Well, we're on a writer strike.

[101] And that's not great.

[102] What part?

[103] I do want the writers to get what they need.

[104] And I have experienced all the issues that they've brought up.

[105] Right.

[106] Everything from the mini rooms and the not training people and not hiring people at their level, not promoting.

[107] Like, I've seen all of it happening as a producer.

[108] What about AI, though?

[109] Have you ever had some?

[110] and imitate your writing style with AI?

[111] Here's the thing.

[112] It's not going anywhere.

[113] It ain't going back in the box.

[114] This is the lightest it'll ever be, actually.

[115] Correct.

[116] Every hour.

[117] It is exponentially taking over our lives as we're sitting here.

[118] I understand why everybody is like, we want to have the opportunity to use it.

[119] I do think we do need some parameters.

[120] I agree.

[121] And I don't know what those are.

[122] But I also know that they have a lot of techie people involved in the negotiations.

[123] Eggheads.

[124] They probably don't know much either.

[125] They know more than me. No one knows.

[126] No more than I do.

[127] Why not going to have had this conversation about 11 times now on here, which is even if they gave you carte blanche to make some rules, you couldn't.

[128] You can't conceptualize what's going to happen.

[129] You can say past the outline phase, you cannot use AI to write a script.

[130] You could say that.

[131] Well, you could say that.

[132] How on earth would you police that?

[133] What do you mean?

[134] When the studio brings you the outline, you're like, okay, I was written by AI because there's no name on it.

[135] It's not WGA.

[136] Nobody's registered to it.

[137] And then you go like, okay, great, I'll work from this as a writer, pay me. I don't care if the writers use it as a tool.

[138] That's what your question was.

[139] That's what your question was.

[140] I don't care if the writers use it as a tool.

[141] I don't want the writers replaced by the AI.

[142] I don't either.

[143] But the writers are going to use it as a tool.

[144] Who cares?

[145] Great, let them.

[146] So then the writer can have AI write the script for them.

[147] They can.

[148] But the producer can't.

[149] No. Does that seem a little crazy to you?

[150] Here's the problem.

[151] Like, we're going to lose the art of writing.

[152] We're not going to create new, fresh stuff, and we're going to have gatekeeping.

[153] So am I, as a producer, willing to give up past the stage of, here's the outline, to an actual human?

[154] I'm willing to give that up.

[155] I'm a little confused by that.

[156] So you're saying, as a producer...

[157] As a producer, I can say, let's generate an idea from AI.

[158] Okay, you're saying that AI did the outline.

[159] They did the outline.

[160] Okay.

[161] Here's what's curious.

[162] So basically, then, if the writers are allowed to have AI write their scripts, then they're not writers.

[163] I like that the two of us are like, we're going to figure this out.

[164] No, we're not.

[165] We're not going to figure it out.

[166] And here's the thing, that's what I'm saying.

[167] We're not going to figure it.

[168] We're not going to know anything.

[169] And people are going to be mad at me because I'm in the WGA.

[170] I've sold many, many scripts.

[171] I'm all about protecting writers.

[172] But I also cannot live in La LaLam because I believe that.

[173] So I have to first ask myself this.

[174] Right now, there are certain tumor scans that the human doctors only get right at 61%.

[175] The AI will identify.

[176] the cancerous tumor at 94%.

[177] So we would never tell a human they're not entitled to use the better diagnostic equipment for their health.

[178] But we are rendering that person's job useless.

[179] So what we've said is we can, me, I'm a writer, and I value my health, so I'm happy to render your job obsolete, but you can't render mine obsolete.

[180] That's a little dicey.

[181] You bring up a great point.

[182] Except this.

[183] One is a very scientific, already computers involved.

[184] There's a writer.

[185] or wrong job and then there's something that's creative right that's about the human spirit and a holding a mirror to society and the AI can only learn from what already exists right it doesn't make new things no it does make new things yeah it does it writes its own books and it writes its own original scripts and it writes on what because somebody created that AI and they're programming it and then they let it run so what implicit bias is already built into it you know how to write script because you've read scripts.

[186] You're AI.

[187] I'm AI.

[188] We know the format.

[189] We know what dialogue sounds like.

[190] That's what the AI does.

[191] Yeah.

[192] It is new, original stuff.

[193] It does create.

[194] And it does the same thing we do is it recognizes patterns.

[195] And then it recreates its own pattern based on that common language.

[196] I just watched with a group of friends for the last year and a half, every best picture winner that the Oscars ever gave.

[197] We did the best picture movie watching club.

[198] You would like this club.

[199] You have a favorite?

[200] Yeah, I love it.

[201] We just wanted to watch the winners.

[202] Yeah.

[203] And the patterns that just come out of it.

[204] I didn't like stick in a data set or anything.

[205] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[206] But for instance, the number of black leads in those films, what would you guess?

[207] Of the hundred.

[208] A black leads.

[209] And there's a hundred?

[210] Yeah, 12.

[211] Two.

[212] Yeah, closer to two.

[213] Yeah, yeah.

[214] It's like driving Miss Daisy.

[215] I would think color purple maybe.

[216] I don't even know if that won.

[217] I don't think it did.

[218] We didn't watch it.

[219] It did not win best picture.

[220] Moonlight, which was like two years ago.

[221] Two seconds ago.

[222] Yeah.

[223] Last week.

[224] This is my point.

[225] It took a lot.

[226] Long time.

[227] Yes, but in our theoretical debate, what we have to both agree on is, just like the doctor, it has to be better.

[228] So we have to have this conversation assuming that what if the AI is better at writing than humans are?

[229] I mean, do you think it comes up with everything everywhere all at once?

[230] I don't know.

[231] But again, we have to compare apples to apples.

[232] So it has exceeded.

[233] We also have to negotiate with the producers here and now.

[234] We don't have the future.

[235] Aren't you the producer?

[236] We don't have the future.

[237] Yeah, and she's saying even as a producer, she's willing to say, I'm willing to protect this.

[238] Let's protect this right now.

[239] For, by the way, until the next negotiation, which is in five years, you know what you know what?

[240] Right, right.

[241] This may be different.

[242] We're not saying forever.

[243] The last negotiation, it was like, you guys streaming and Netflix, it's like, it's not a thing.

[244] It's not a big deal.

[245] You want to talk residuals on streaming?

[246] You will get me on the party line, a thousand percent.

[247] But I'm asking you to imagine a hypothetical.

[248] That AI is better.

[249] Every movie script that comes out is a triangle of sadness.

[250] Right.

[251] In fact, it's better.

[252] Triangle of sadness.

[253] It's better.

[254] And so we're now going to say you have to take a product that's less good as the known one.

[255] A human product that's less good.

[256] That's less good.

[257] And you're going to do that philanthropically out of the goodness of your heart.

[258] You're going to suffer a customer.

[259] That's an interesting proposition.

[260] I don't know if you suffer a customer.

[261] Exactly.

[262] Like, they don't know that there was something better.

[263] Okay, so that's a fairy tale too.

[264] That will not do it.

[265] But then China will have the AI.

[266] to write the better script.

[267] And now they'll produce the movies that are significantly better than ours.

[268] And we will completely die in the competition war because we didn't get realistic about it.

[269] There are all these scenarios.

[270] There's all these eventualities we can't predict.

[271] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[272] By the way, the whole business is a hot mess.

[273] All industries are facing this exact issue.

[274] A million percent.

[275] We are not the only one.

[276] So we're in a transition, whatever that looks like.

[277] And so my point is, well, we only get to negotiate the contracts at certain points in time.

[278] We have this moment in time to protect something a little bit longer, Dex, while we figure out if the AI actually is going to do a better job.

[279] I like that.

[280] I just want to protect it a little bit longer.

[281] And then at the next negotiation, we all go like, oh, my God, guys, can we just all agree the AI is fucking killing it.

[282] Dude, they wrote six Pulp Fictions this morning and they're all better than Pulp Fiction.

[283] Like, we got, sorry Charlie from Ohio, get back on the bus.

[284] Don't come to Hollywood.

[285] Do you know what I mean?

[286] I think, though, what's interesting, if we watched Pulp Fiction made by AI, if all the movies were made by AI, I wonder if.

[287] we'd even revere it the same because we know it's a machine.

[288] There's something about knowing that came from a human brain.

[289] I love this.

[290] That's why we're blown away.

[291] That somebody was able to create this.

[292] If it's a machine, it's like, yeah, duh.

[293] I agree with you.

[294] But the praise would just transition to the actors playing out the parts in the script.

[295] They would just get all that love and attention.

[296] So you go to the set of a television show.

[297] Who's running the set?

[298] The writers.

[299] How do they learn how to do that if they?

[300] They aren't involved from jump.

[301] Are there no showrunners?

[302] The computer made the thing, and now we just hire producers who make all those, as you know, on the fly decisions.

[303] Game day decisions.

[304] The thing can become something different based on the alchemy of the people involved well after the actual script's written.

[305] Agreed.

[306] We cast a person, but there's no chemistry.

[307] We can't have a love story anymore.

[308] We've got to make them cousins.

[309] But I do think the AI would then pivot.

[310] You'd say this isn't working.

[311] Someone there would be guiding the AI.

[312] So what you're saying is the guide, because I'm obsessed with prompt writers, and I've barely played with this.

[313] What is the prompt?

[314] What do I need to tell it to do to get the exact thing that I want it to do?

[315] Yeah.

[316] It's kind of like searching.

[317] Like when you're trying to figure something on, you're like, God, what would I even search?

[318] What are the keywords I would search?

[319] Yeah.

[320] But even today, I'm driving over here.

[321] I was like, I need to find out if I have this thing in my inbox.

[322] I was getting a link for something to watch.

[323] I was on the phone with someone.

[324] So who's it coming from?

[325] Let me check my email.

[326] And now I'm like, Siri.

[327] check i was like it can you don't do it i mean it can but you don't know how to do it can i don't have i don't have the right extension or whatever that's what's ironic about me arguing this point i've never used chat gt p i'm never probably gonna i don't i don't i don't know i don't have much need for sure this is the point that i feel like i got a little sway with monica she'll maybe disagree but i said there is an experiment that's been running now for 13 years that is the internet and social networks.

[328] So I give you, Liz Banks, a time machine right now.

[329] I say, okay, well, now we know what happened.

[330] I'm giving you the right to go back 13 years and make a law that will prevent that.

[331] What law do you make that fixes?

[332] Like, we've already now seen the outcome and we still wouldn't know how to legislate something.

[333] Oh, I don't know if that's true.

[334] What would you do?

[335] Your algorithm is meant to maximize eyeballs and time.

[336] So we know those companies are just looking for our attention.

[337] And we always knew, and so did they, that psychologically, conflict and the bad news keeps our attention longer than the truth and the good news.

[338] That's right.

[339] So if we'd actually just fucking set the algorithms.

[340] But what would you say to the algorithm?

[341] Because I will say this, I got to defend them a little bit.

[342] You care about capitalism or you care about democracy at this point.

[343] They coexisted for a while, and now they're not going to.

[344] I'm not going to let you paint me as a capitalist, an anti -capitalist, a social entity.

[345] That's not what we're talking about.

[346] What we're talking about is that the algorithm they designed often produced results they didn't anticipate.

[347] They couldn't think of it.

[348] Like the dopamine release, like the YouTube algorithm.

[349] We definitely knew about the dopamine.

[350] Yeah, but we didn't know for a while.

[351] We didn't know.

[352] They did know.

[353] But they also did not foresee the radicalization.

[354] Except that then when they started seeing the data.

[355] They didn't change it.

[356] They didn't change it.

[357] I agree.

[358] And I love also when people say things to me like, well, you know, this is just the way it is.

[359] This is the law.

[360] And I'm like, you act like the law is something.

[361] Carved in.

[362] God, like, we human people made that.

[363] We made the fake border between America and Canada.

[364] There's not an actual fucking border.

[365] Well, some of the rivers.

[366] We made it, but like, you know, St. Lawrence River.

[367] We decided, but that was the St. Lawrence River.

[368] At the end of it, we made this all up.

[369] It's a story.

[370] You've all her right.

[371] We're all in the mythology together.

[372] We are, yeah.

[373] I did read Sapiens.

[374] You can tell.

[375] It's very obvious.

[376] My kids will ask me questions.

[377] Their answer will be like, well, why don't we just stop?

[378] doing that?

[379] And you're like, yeah, what climate change?

[380] Why don't we just stop taking oil on the ground?

[381] Yeah, I mean, that is the right answer, of course, but there's literal countries that we made up with their made -up borders, and they have the oil.

[382] And if we don't take the oil out of their ground, they might not be a country anymore.

[383] That's the level of ramification we've built into this made -up system.

[384] I'm with you, but I also think there's a level of pragmatism that's being ignored.

[385] And the truth is, we don't have a choice.

[386] Just because we adopt some policy, here in the U .S. does not mean it's going to be adopted globally.

[387] In fact, it's not going to.

[388] So all that's going to happen is the other countries that don't police and crack down on it will be a generation ahead of us.

[389] And in the world of AI that is self -teaching, a generation ahead can never be caught.

[390] So you're also saying, here's my policy, and I concede to the fact that Russia or China will be making all rules going forward to the end of time, ad finium.

[391] That's the other reality.

[392] You can't pretend that.

[393] I think you're overstating that.

[394] How?

[395] You think Russia's going to like adopt some kind of ethical.

[396] Who knows?

[397] Putin could get shot tomorrow.

[398] He could have a heart attack.

[399] COVID showed me that literally everything can change in a day.

[400] Climate change could be solved.

[401] They could find some mineral somewhere at the bottom of the fucking ocean.

[402] You know who's going to solve it, AI.

[403] Here's the thing.

[404] We actually already know how to solve it.

[405] We don't have the political will to do what needs to be done because we all are going to have to give things up.

[406] When AI solves global warming, they render every environmental scientist now obsolete.

[407] We'll be like, yeah, absolutely.

[408] Sorry, guys.

[409] So acting like we have enough information always that the AI will be fed with that information enough to like figure out what's going on.

[410] We don't know how space works.

[411] We don't know how the bottom of the ocean works.

[412] Like AI ain't going to the bottom of the ocean and they don't got a data set from there because the humans haven't gone down there to give it to them yet.

[413] There's multiple steps here that still need to be taken for us to actually progress through this whole thing is my point.

[414] There's so much we don't know.

[415] We can't solve cancer.

[416] AI will.

[417] Maybe.

[418] It will read all seven billion people's genetic code.

[419] DNA genetic code.

[420] Yeah.

[421] All of their medical history.

[422] But you're then also assuming that the AI goes like, guys, just do this.

[423] Here's how you deal with the cancer.

[424] We've tried.

[425] People are still going to smoke.

[426] You're acting like we're going to do whatever it says.

[427] We're not.

[428] There's still all of our fallibility built into this system.

[429] Well, what's great is, so you were here last time in 2019.

[430] It's 2020.

[431] Yeah, October.

[432] So three and a half years ago.

[433] Yeah.

[434] Which is weird because to me it feels like maybe 14.

[435] months ago you were here.

[436] I don't know if you had that sensation too, but I was like, she wasn't just a year and a half ago.

[437] This morning when I was going through my closet, I was like, oh, that's what I wore the last way I went there.

[438] Oh, wow.

[439] Oh, my gosh, what a memory.

[440] We will meet again in three years and six months.

[441] Okay.

[442] And we'll find out who was more on the path of what was going to happen.

[443] If we're still here.

[444] Yeah.

[445] It might be robots sitting in these chairs.

[446] Or the fires came and burned out of the ground.

[447] Or the earthquake came and burned this to the ground.

[448] When everyone's like, you know, the eye and this, I go, tomorrow.

[449] Tomorrow's not guaranteed.

[450] I don't know why everybody's freaking out so much.

[451] We could also slow down.

[452] All the AI people, they're like, yo, slow down.

[453] I'm with that.

[454] There's two different conversations for us to have.

[455] One is you give me ultimate power over the planet.

[456] Virtually everything you're saying, I will behave along those lines.

[457] We're in accord on that.

[458] That's I have all the power in the world.

[459] I don't think I do.

[460] I don't think this country does.

[461] And I don't think we're going to be able to play by the rules we want to play.

[462] Bye.

[463] I am on your side with that where I worry about other countries because I don't think.

[464] China's going to care.

[465] But what are they going to do?

[466] They're going to like invade Taiwan.

[467] Well, they're going to be, they're definitely going to be the super.

[468] But like you guys, they're spying on us already.

[469] They have all of our faces.

[470] You know, they know my children.

[471] We are still dramatically more powerful than them globally.

[472] Both with our economy is still much bigger.

[473] Our militaries four times the size.

[474] We are still absolutely the hegemonic power on planet Earth.

[475] Yeah.

[476] That could change.

[477] Maybe they'll do a great job.

[478] Maybe they'll be a better steward of this place than we were.

[479] They can't breathe the air in Beijing.

[480] They need to solve for things as well.

[481] You did the U .S .O. Tour?

[482] Yeah, yeah.

[483] So great, isn't it?

[484] Yeah.

[485] I went to Afghanistan, though.

[486] So did I. We must have talked about that, didn't we?

[487] Where'd you go?

[488] What year?

[489] I went 2016.

[490] I went in 07 and 09.

[491] Where did you go to Boggroom?

[492] Did you fly up to Fobbs on helicopters and shit?

[493] Oh, I wish.

[494] Why didn't they do that?

[495] Is you a girl?

[496] No, because there was a bombing nearby.

[497] All of the guys, they were like, we're going to miss the show.

[498] jump into Blackhawks and skidooots out to go handle some business 30 people got murdered in a market the night we were there we had a similar thing we flew to this little fob on the border of Pakistan called Osama Bob this is what I was going to talk about yeah we're in the middle of our comedy show and all of a sudden they start firing the halitzer about 11 feet from the defact we're doing our show in in everything's shaking people are slowly starting to disappear you know you're in that position where you're like is this insane or do we keep going and then virtually there's only three people left and they're like okay guys go to the flight line this whole evening has changed dramatically and it's the same thing how about everyone's got their m4 the whole time yeah yeah if they don't like that joke we're not there anymore we're not there no no i was having really a hard time grasping reality while i was there both times half the time i'm on a helicopter and we were getting shot at and they shot at a building we were circling it and they're firing at this thing i'm like we're in a war movie that's my architecture to think of this i'm like we've teleported to a war and we're sitting on this helicopter and they're firing at them and they're firing at us.

[499] I feel protected because I feel like I'm in a movie.

[500] There's also so much conversation about how they're keeping us safe.

[501] Yeah.

[502] But also they were like, no, you're not allowed to bring your husband because if something happens to you're like, we're not orphaning your kids.

[503] And you're like, great.

[504] I can't wait to be there.

[505] But you're really protected.

[506] Don't worry.

[507] But you're really protected.

[508] It's a very small likelihood.

[509] Anything bad will happen.

[510] But then you realize you're not.

[511] A human sitting in a war zone with everyone else.

[512] When the plane takes off and they go literally straight up because they're like, we got to outrun the RPGs as fast as possible.

[513] And they do the corkscrew landing.

[514] And we had to kick off at night and it was like, and we're going to turn all the lights off because we want to go out as quiet.

[515] There's some red lights with dudes peeing in the corner.

[516] And they like turned up all the Blackhawk rotors so they wouldn't hear us landing and taking off.

[517] Yeah.

[518] Like stuff like that was going on.

[519] It's all quite real.

[520] There were safety measures.

[521] I was ducking in and out of reality.

[522] I was like, I can't tell if this is real or not.

[523] I was when saluting on the flight line in the middle of the night and it's raining and they're playing the bagpipes.

[524] And I was like, oh, I definitely had chills, right?

[525] But it wasn't until I got home and I think I talked to my mom like five days after it.

[526] And she's like, well, how was your trip?

[527] And I'm going through it, going through it.

[528] And now as I start getting into that part about Osama about, I'm like having a hard time.

[529] And I'm like crying.

[530] Yes, I'm crying on the phone with my mom.

[531] And I think, well, if I never talked to her, I don't know if I would ever acknowledge that that was really kind of, yes, traumatic and emotional and all those things.

[532] Yeah.

[533] So we went to multiple cities, and we ended the trip in Germany at whatever.

[534] I've now blanked.

[535] McDonald's.

[536] By the way, somebody did go to McDonald's at 2 a .m. After a week in Afghanistan, we need some cheeseburgers.

[537] But it's a big medical facility, too, right?

[538] It's where everybody gets flown when the bad stuff happens.

[539] And so we were there kind of like with people who are getting to go home or going back to the States.

[540] This one guy was like diagnosed with MS.

[541] Oh.

[542] You know, he was just a soldier one day.

[543] I was like, yeah, this thing's kind of weird.

[544] And they were like, you know what, we should send you for more tests.

[545] And then, like, he had MS.

[546] I think I'm now remembering, though, that maybe we did talk about this and bonded over the fact, did you go meet the doctors there when you were at Bogram?

[547] Yeah.

[548] We walked in.

[549] I was like, oh, my God, this is a reality show.

[550] Everyone's hot as fuck.

[551] The doctors were all insanely hot.

[552] But in life, maybe we've talked about that.

[553] Okay.

[554] I was like, whoa.

[555] In seeing each other, maybe we've talked about that.

[556] The special forces, guys.

[557] They were.

[558] They're all tens.

[559] They're like firefighters times ten.

[560] And I'm all about a firefighter, okay?

[561] Sure.

[562] So if you gave me a firefighter and then there's special forces, are you kidding me?

[563] Can you hold these slacks?

[564] I couldn't.

[565] I was like, are they screening them for looks in addition to their physical aptitude?

[566] And also that they're looking into my soul right now?

[567] They're very intelligent.

[568] Emotionally intelligent, though.

[569] It actually gave me a lot of hope that our system kind of works because, you know, you would talk to these guys are like, yeah, I didn't even go to college.

[570] And then they start talking about the work that they're doing and the care that they have for it.

[571] Oh, yeah.

[572] And, you know, this policy of us, we were ripping them out every nine months.

[573] They'd go home and they're like, I need to get back.

[574] They've built all this trust with the locals there.

[575] This is what they want to get back to.

[576] And now the new guy and they didn't have enough time to bring him up to speed and he's got like, not going to know everything.

[577] And you do think, wow, without that consistency, it's not that surprising that things didn't go 100 % how we wanted them to.

[578] But the dedication of those guys.

[579] Yeah, I was having this moment quite often where I just kept going.

[580] Some of these people are so good at this.

[581] And there's no application for this skill set.

[582] in real life.

[583] That's what's interesting to me. Yes.

[584] They got fuddled into those jobs.

[585] I'm like, God, it's weird.

[586] I saw this dude.

[587] We've been with him for two or three days.

[588] I talked to a bunch of time.

[589] He's like jacked, really gregarious dude.

[590] And he's standing on top of a Humvee, and he's got like eight vehicles that are going to follow him on patrol.

[591] And he's on top of the tour.

[592] And he's like, all right.

[593] Let's go kill some motherfuckers.

[594] And waves his arm.

[595] It's like watching a movie.

[596] And I'm like, you can't put that dude at Walmart.

[597] He's not going to become manager.

[598] He was born to do this thing.

[599] And it's so weird that there's no place for him in real world.

[600] And yet we need people to do this stuff.

[601] It's complicated.

[602] I brought all this up because we were talking about the hegemony of the world.

[603] And one of the things that we were talking about on our tour with all of our Marines that were guarding us was, okay, so we have more bases than any other country.

[604] And they're spread out.

[605] We have, I don't know, 92 international bases or something like that.

[606] So we're the world police, essentially.

[607] They made a movie about it.

[608] They made a real satirical movie about that.

[609] You know, we go, okay, but why is it have to be us?

[610] And the answer always is, we have a constitution that has human rights written into it.

[611] We have a value system.

[612] And if it's not us, then there are only two more other choices.

[613] So it's either Russia or China.

[614] Exactly.

[615] So, would you rather it's us or you want it to be them?

[616] Yeah.

[617] If I'm listening right now in France, I'm in Paris, I'm like, fuck all these people.

[618] Yeah, fuck them.

[619] Of the shitty three options, I guess I'll go with the Uncle Sam.

[620] Yeah, exactly.

[621] You're like, I guess I'll let them keep some planes here.

[622] arrogant, loud, fucking obnoxious people.

[623] Let's let them run the world.

[624] We went to, like, a base in Sicily where we fly drones out of.

[625] The Italian people are like, yeah, I guess.

[626] Can you imagine another country?

[627] We're like, yeah, we're just going to let France have some land in Montana.

[628] Exactly.

[629] And, like, run their military operations out of it.

[630] It's like, what?

[631] I remember being struck by that when I went to Germany with my mother when I was 17.

[632] And every 12th exit on the Audubon is for American military base.

[633] I was like, what if everywhere we drove in America there's German military bases?

[634] It'd be so weird.

[635] And we just don't even think about that.

[636] We don't.

[637] We're like, yeah, of course we're there.

[638] Are you guys stoked?

[639] It's all complicated.

[640] It is.

[641] Let's talk about cocaine bear.

[642] First of all, you guys were such sweet, wonderful supporters of cocaine bear.

[643] It was so good.

[644] Monica was at the screening we hosted.

[645] I've seen video of the screen.

[646] After we had seen it randomly in Atlanta, Georgia.

[647] And we went and, as you know, because we sent you a lot of voice memos.

[648] You did.

[649] Screaming, laughing.

[650] Also, bonding with strangers in the audience who I now know also love cocaine like I did.

[651] There's like tears of getting the jokes.

[652] And I think, obviously, the cocaine users in the audience found certain scenes particularly amusing as I did.

[653] There were many moments that I was astounded that you'd gone for it so hard, so hard in the paint.

[654] Some of the set pieces, they're to be marveled at.

[655] Thank you.

[656] The one that ends with the woman dragging her face on the ground.

[657] Yeah, Margo Martinville.

[658] Margo.

[659] What's her name going out the front of the ambulance?

[660] Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[661] Does it ever end?

[662] I don't know.

[663] It's like it kind of starts there and then I don't know.

[664] Then we have credits at some point.

[665] But sometimes you see a movie and you're really pleased someone's still just going for it.

[666] I want to know, did that movie in its script form go that hard?

[667] If so, were there any moments where you lost your conviction or refound it or were challenged or were you pretty protected by Lord Miller?

[668] That kind of made sense to me when I, like, saw that they were involved.

[669] I thought, okay, that's the kind of cover fire you need.

[670] I didn't need any cover fire.

[671] I, you know, I made movies with Universal before.

[672] Yeah.

[673] But listen, you made a huge hit.

[674] Yeah.

[675] And then you made a stinker.

[676] Oh, how dare you.

[677] No. I made one too.

[678] I made a movie that didn't make money.

[679] That's right.

[680] I didn't make a stinker.

[681] I meant financially.

[682] That's a good distinction.

[683] I meant financially.

[684] I'm incredibly proud of my movie too, but it did not perform at the box office.

[685] That's a reality.

[686] So you have total leverage at one point.

[687] then after you have one that doesn't perform financially, it does change.

[688] But the things that were in that movie, the ambition of that movie, the jokes of that movie, the humor camaraderie.

[689] No, no. I think I did.

[690] No, you didn't.

[691] You didn't.

[692] I just regularly talk about chips didn't perform.

[693] I'm fine with that.

[694] But I do think it's a good distinction to make that.

[695] Yeah, yeah.

[696] Yeah, yeah.

[697] My point is Charlie's Angels is a movie we're talking about.

[698] Yeah.

[699] People who watched that movie saw my ability.

[700] It didn't tarnish my skill set.

[701] But also, I've never made a horror movie or anything.

[702] People are still taking a flyer on e -banks, you know what I mean?

[703] I was like, yeah, but I want to do this one now.

[704] And somebody who did have to go like, I think she can do that.

[705] Yes.

[706] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[707] What's I think sometimes curious for them to try to assess is you didn't become a bad director.

[708] You still made a great movie that is your point of view.

[709] Yeah.

[710] But they might wonder, is this person's point of view align with mass appeal?

[711] You could go, oh, this is a very well -made movie.

[712] Yeah, yeah.

[713] But I don't know that this person has a sense of what people want to see.

[714] I think I'm guilty of that a little bit.

[715] It's like, I'm always trying to put some romance in a car chase movie.

[716] You're like, no, either give me a car chase movie or give me a love story.

[717] I don't need to see you both.

[718] So I don't know that I have the best barometer for that, to be fully honest.

[719] But regardless, you didn't feel any kind of dissipation of your leverage.

[720] I didn't really.

[721] Oh, that's great.

[722] Yeah, so I read Cocaine Bear.

[723] It read on the page, I loved all the characters.

[724] Cohen Brothers -esque, there's a bunch of scenes that are not even in the movie that were like talky, fun.

[725] The things that as an actor reading a script, you're like, oh, there's so much meat on the bow.

[726] You know, for everybody that's going to play.

[727] You know, and you can't quite visualize the bear on the page.

[728] Right.

[729] By far the scariest part of it.

[730] I can't make a CGI bear.

[731] I don't have that skills.

[732] You can rewrite a scene.

[733] You can pick your...

[734] I can cast it.

[735] I can edit the thing well.

[736] I can put the right music with the right thing.

[737] But if the bear looks like shit...

[738] Yeah.

[739] They put you in front of a Macintosh and say, create that bear.

[740] I'm done.

[741] So, you know, having the right partners.

[742] But then even with those partners being like, all right, trust.

[743] Leap of faith.

[744] And you got to feel like the studio's going to back you up if you're like, it's not working or it's not good enough.

[745] Now, very luckily, and very early on in the process, before we ever went to the shoot, there was so much work done on the bear.

[746] You need to know what you're working with before you go and shoot the movie, right?

[747] Because you're like, I neither need, this has got to be jaws.

[748] Like, we're not showing the bear.

[749] It has to be photorealistic.

[750] I wanted a Nat Geo level bear.

[751] Yes, of course.

[752] And I can't imagine you had the full budget.

[753] to go.

[754] No, you can't have the bear in every scene.

[755] It is the titular character, so we also can't scrimp on it.

[756] It was a balance of figuring out how much do you got to see the bear here versus do we just build the tension with...

[757] Jaws.

[758] You know, something else, yeah.

[759] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

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[778] People have probably asked you this a million times, but were you just a huge fan of the Americans?

[779] Yes, virtually the entire cast of the Americans.

[780] Well, so here's what happened.

[781] I worked with Margo Martindale on this series called Mrs. America.

[782] And I, like everyone who ever works with her, it fell in love.

[783] So when I read the script, in my mind, she was that character.

[784] But I don't want to say anything because the other ideas on the table, which were all great ideas, were not the 70 -year -old lady Margo -Martindale idea.

[785] Did you just say 70?

[786] She's 70 years old.

[787] No. Oh, way.

[788] I would have put her at 52.

[789] Get her over here.

[790] I'll tell it right to her face.

[791] She's going to love you.

[792] I'm almost 50.

[793] Yeah, I know that.

[794] You're older than me. Are you 49?

[795] She's a year older than me. Wow.

[796] February 10th.

[797] Yes, baby.

[798] Thank you.

[799] Oh, wow.

[800] If you had done.

[801] So much.

[802] You didn't know her body.

[803] Exactly.

[804] And then your body work or your body of body.

[805] My little body.

[806] Yeah.

[807] So Margar, right?

[808] Wow.

[809] 70.

[810] That's a. So the seven -year -old character actress is who I want.

[811] In my mind's eye, she's cast.

[812] And she's got the only love storyline going on.

[813] Well, that was a whole other thing.

[814] So the carry of it came after talking through who that character was.

[815] And then Carrie's name came up and we were all like, she'd be amazing.

[816] Of course.

[817] She's perfect.

[818] She and I were working on something else together, which made it very easy.

[819] Like, hey, that other thing, great.

[820] But that's a ways away.

[821] Do you want to maybe come over and play this?

[822] Carrie was in first, is my point.

[823] Okay.

[824] I didn't even bring up Margot's name until deep into the casting process after we had gotten DeVeed.

[825] And then I was like, maybe this is crazy, but can Ranger Liz be Margot Marndale?

[826] And everyone was like, great idea.

[827] Sure, let's do it.

[828] So now I had two of them.

[829] Yeah.

[830] And really all I have them was we had to shoot that plane scene, the opening scene.

[831] not in the original script.

[832] So I was like, I really want to open with this airplane.

[833] I wanted to lean into the real story.

[834] Yeah, I loved that.

[835] Just we even understand where the bags of Coke came from.

[836] You know?

[837] And how many are there?

[838] I wouldn't mind seeing the full lot before we start.

[839] Exactly.

[840] It's already absurd.

[841] You do need to ground it in something.

[842] Yes.

[843] I had seen the real news footage of the event, the plane crash.

[844] And I also wanted to put that in the movie.

[845] So I was like, if we pair these things up, and the first act, like, we'll get a lot of credibility.

[846] for this crazy ass.

[847] It's completely incredible.

[848] Yeah, this thing that like, everyone's like, that's not real.

[849] It's like, actually, Tom Brokaw's here telling you it's totally real.

[850] Yes.

[851] We were in Ireland.

[852] We had to put it on a pre -shoot day.

[853] We did the airplane scene and a hangar on the same day that we did like hair and makeup tests and things like that, right?

[854] So we're trying to save cash.

[855] And I really wanted it to be a cameo so that you didn't think he was going to die.

[856] This is the famous Hurt Locker.

[857] Guy Pearce.

[858] We lose him right away.

[859] You're like, whoa, this kid.

[860] Yeah, exactly.

[861] So I wanted that sense of like, oh, they got that guy.

[862] All right.

[863] Well, he'll be around and then funk.

[864] You know, so it's fine.

[865] Yeah.

[866] We were not flying anybody to Ireland.

[867] You know, this is not, it's a local hire.

[868] It's a local hire.

[869] It's not a local hire.

[870] Disenchanted the movie was shooting in Ireland right before us, basically, while we were in prep.

[871] And it has Jimmy Marsden in it, Amy Adams and Adina Menzel, and Patrick Dempsey, right?

[872] So I was like, maybe Patrick Dempsey.

[873] Sure.

[874] Come do this.

[875] Start telling yourself that that's, yeah.

[876] I was like, let's like, let's talk.

[877] lining up their schedules.

[878] What's their shoot?

[879] Like, is he even on the island?

[880] You know, like, what's going on?

[881] Because the other thing was, you had to quarantine still if you flew over there.

[882] During this conundrum where I was like, oh, I'm going to have to start looking at just local guys.

[883] Matthew Reese, who I've known for 20 years, Matthew Reese and I met at an agent's house.

[884] What?

[885] My first week in L .A. He was with his friend Yon Griffith at this house that we went to, and we had dinner, a small dinner.

[886] Like me, Max, Matthew, Yon, like maybe two other people.

[887] And these two agents at this dinner, you know, run into each other over the years many, many times since.

[888] But we fell in love with each other back in the day.

[889] He texts me kind of out of the blue.

[890] He's like, yo, I'm coming with Carrie.

[891] He's Welsh.

[892] His in -laws are coming over.

[893] They're creating a little family time.

[894] So he's like, I'm coming over.

[895] I've read this crazy thing.

[896] Can I be Andrew Thornton?

[897] Oh, sent me a photo of himself.

[898] No. He had a mustache.

[899] No. And like the hair.

[900] Meanwhile, he had no idea that I was in a full stress.

[901] over who it was going to be.

[902] It was, like, so hard for me not to literally just text back, yes.

[903] I was talking about my husband doing it.

[904] Okay.

[905] That's how bad it was going to be at that point.

[906] Had he started to get excited about it?

[907] Did you have to break it to him?

[908] No. And I guess we got to go with Reese if we can, right, hon?

[909] He's like pulling off his mustache that he is.

[910] He was taking it gently in his pocket quietly.

[911] We recently went on spring break with those ding -dongs too.

[912] So we also have a text change that's called spring breakers.

[913] Oh, spring break to wear.

[914] Yeah, where'd you go?

[915] We went to Mexico.

[916] Did you go to Porto Viata?

[917] I didn't go.

[918] That's where the love boat always docked.

[919] I remember.

[920] Acapulco and Porto Alto.

[921] Yeah, of course.

[922] We went to the Rosewood Mayacoba.

[923] This is not an ad.

[924] What should be?

[925] Because I paid there.

[926] Oh, you did?

[927] I paid to go.

[928] I would love for them to sponsor us.

[929] Yeah, you would.

[930] In the Mayan Riviera on the Caribbean side.

[931] Okay, yes.

[932] Wonderful.

[933] Beautiful.

[934] Everyone enjoyed.

[935] And the Yucatan.

[936] Yeah, from the Yucatan.

[937] Yeah.

[938] Okay.

[939] I'm hoping this goes away.

[940] I think it will.

[941] Because I don't regularly bump into someone who's also had the pleasure of directing Isaiah Whitlock.

[942] Oh.

[943] I could not stop giving him lines.

[944] You never wanted to end.

[945] Correct.

[946] And there was a point where Nate, my producing partner was like, you know, you're not going to be able to really, where's all this?

[947] I'm like, I don't know.

[948] I just, I can't get pride away from him.

[949] How incredible is Isaiah Whitlock?

[950] All time great.

[951] And then a sweetheart.

[952] The sweetest guy, although I have a funny story about him, I guess no spoilers, but he dies in the movie, right?

[953] Yeah, we lose them.

[954] So I've got the kids.

[955] camera up, and he's climbed up there.

[956] How about just him showing up with this big old slurpy, and he's like, fucking adjusted him so he's got this big thing?

[957] If I were in the theater and I had a remote, I would watch him walk from the car to that gazebo about 25 times.

[958] Thank you.

[959] We almost cut that.

[960] I was like, no, we can't cut it's so dumb.

[961] Yeah.

[962] So he's up on top of this thing doing this speech with the late great Realeota is a scene partner.

[963] Yeah.

[964] I'm watching the two of these guys.

[965] And he's up there and he's thinking about this dog.

[966] Yes.

[967] And the tears.

[968] We're at the monitor and we're all.

[969] What he got you?

[970] Don't go there in a second.

[971] We're all hysterical.

[972] We can't recover.

[973] And the camera's like, lifting up.

[974] As his spirit leaves his body, you know.

[975] And he's thinking about this dog.

[976] No, no, not what's that.

[977] Don't get what I think.

[978] She's a good girl.

[979] She's such a good girl.

[980] Such a good girl.

[981] His voice broke every time.

[982] And he really felt it like he was losing his lover.

[983] Yes, the love of his life.

[984] There was nothing ridiculous about it all.

[985] He's like, this is the end.

[986] And if I can save the dog, it's the main thing I want to do.

[987] When he stops at the pay phone, what a turn.

[988] Trying to return this dog, he thought he would get a more masculine mancho dog.

[989] That's what he's had his high set on him, maybe a black lab or something.

[990] He pulls over at that payphone.

[991] And then we're like, oh, God, he loves the dog.

[992] This is tremendous.

[993] What a good runner.

[994] I can't wait to see how this pays off.

[995] It's great.

[996] I know.

[997] Oh, so good.

[998] Thank you.

[999] Oh, so the most funny stories.

[1000] We have everyone over and we're going to play like a version of celebrity.

[1001] We call it Empire.

[1002] Oh, we love Empire.

[1003] Okay, right.

[1004] So Empire.

[1005] So we play Empire.

[1006] And, you know, you put in a character.

[1007] Like somebody's in the bowl and everybody has to guess who put in who.

[1008] That's the game, right.

[1009] So Isaiah put in Ron Jeremy.

[1010] Oh, my God.

[1011] And no one could figure out who the hell put in Ron Jeremy.

[1012] Yeah, you'd be looking at me. Look, if I'm at the party, it goes to me, then it probably goes to Max.

[1013] We went to everybody else on the around.

[1014] We never looked at him for that name.

[1015] That's a good one.

[1016] And he didn't really understand the game, so he just was like, I don't know.

[1017] But I love that that's who popped into his head.

[1018] Do you know what I mean?

[1019] He contains multitudes, is my point.

[1020] I hope that this gets back to Isaiah Whitlock.

[1021] He's our favorite.

[1022] In fact, they commissioned me to write chips too, and I started.

[1023] And the whole fucking sequel is going to be Isaiah Whitlock.

[1024] He was like moving to L. You got a boat.

[1025] I gave him a boat, and the name of this boat was D's Knots.

[1026] Of course.

[1027] I think it's important for the audience, because I can predict the comments will be, what is that game?

[1028] Empire?

[1029] We need to explain it because in case people want to play it at their own parties.

[1030] So if the four of us in this room right now were to play it, we would all write down a celebrity's name.

[1031] Yeah, on a piece of paper.

[1032] We'd stick it in a bowl or a hat or something.

[1033] And then it's your turn and you pull out.

[1034] No, no, no. No, they all get pulled out.

[1035] That's right.

[1036] At the beginning, by a reader who reads all the names one time.

[1037] We do it twice.

[1038] Because a big part of it is memory.

[1039] That's really the whole game.

[1040] At the end.

[1041] But you don't have to memorize.

[1042] The whole point is like you need to collect people who've remembered a couple random ones so that your collective memory can win the game.

[1043] But it's best if you're the head of the empire.

[1044] You're the king or queen.

[1045] Of course, well, you want to be the king or queen.

[1046] Yeah.

[1047] But so often.

[1048] Well, really the best is you put a name in that no. That's the best.

[1049] The goal is come up with a name that never gets set again.

[1050] There's two things you want to do.

[1051] What I wouldn't do is put Burt Reynolds in the hat because everyone in this room would immediately know that's that.

[1052] So I always try to pick some kind of like musical theater -y type person because I don't know anything about that.

[1053] Okay.

[1054] And then what happens is when it gets to you, you go, Liz, are you Chi Chi Rodriguez?

[1055] And Liz goes, no. Fuck.

[1056] Then it goes to Monica.

[1057] Someone's got to be there.

[1058] Monica, are you burn it up.

[1059] How'd you know that in your house?

[1060] Wait, you were thinking that?

[1061] I was on the verge of saying Bernadette Peters.

[1062] Just said theater person.

[1063] I almost interrupted you to say Bernie Peters.

[1064] That just fucked me out.

[1065] That was, that was his anthem gum.

[1066] Oh, wow.

[1067] That was crazy.

[1068] Yes, I am.

[1069] How'd you know it was me?

[1070] Okay, now you're on my empire.

[1071] Get over here.

[1072] That's right.

[1073] I now control her.

[1074] We're a team.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] And now you guys are whispering.

[1077] I think Rob is Barrella.

[1078] So, Dax wasn't so -and -so.

[1079] Who do you think he is?

[1080] But I think he is.

[1081] Christina Apple.

[1082] I bet he's Chi Chi Rodriguez, and he asked as a decoy.

[1083] Because that's also a strategy.

[1084] A hundred percent.

[1085] But I see you through that all the time.

[1086] Yeah, me too.

[1087] It's a bad thing.

[1088] But also, you don't want to remind people of your name.

[1089] That's exactly correct.

[1090] If Monica got on my team, one of the first things people often asked is like, well, who are you?

[1091] So we stop asking it.

[1092] And I'm always like, no, no, no. I don't utter the name.

[1093] You don't tell?

[1094] I don't even tell it.

[1095] Because you just remind the other teams.

[1096] You have to be very careful.

[1097] What the names are, and you're trying not to give away names.

[1098] So as this happens and there's 20 people at some, point, quite often there's like two or three solo people against a group of 19, an empire.

[1099] And quite often that one person remembers Chi Chi Rodriguez and fucks everyone up and wins after not.

[1100] Takes it.

[1101] That's the best feeling.

[1102] I love that feeling.

[1103] It's normally a couple teams that do it, though, right?

[1104] But every now and then, there's a solo holdout.

[1105] And Isaiah Whitlock, a star.

[1106] He did.

[1107] Yeah, lone man wolf.

[1108] Because we were like, there's no way.

[1109] We never pinned it on him.

[1110] Couldn't pin it on him.

[1111] It's a really fun game.

[1112] Oh, my Jeremy.

[1113] That was a good one for him to throw people off.

[1114] First of a horrible human, as it turns out.

[1115] Did you ever, there's no way you would have, but there was a documentary about him.

[1116] It's worth you watching.

[1117] He's in jail now, right?

[1118] Oh, for what?

[1119] Sexual misconduct?

[1120] Yeah, yeah.

[1121] If you can believe it.

[1122] Well, he's a porn star, so it's a little, you're kind of like, really, dude?

[1123] You also got a...

[1124] Well, but here's the problem.

[1125] Yeah, he went on the regular.

[1126] Not at work.

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] Where he's supposed to keep his sexual.

[1129] Where he's supposed to be a whack -job, weirdos, you know?

[1130] He had an out, but then he still...

[1131] No, that he already had an outlet.

[1132] He got greedy.

[1133] He was fucking all day long at work and he still had to fuck more.

[1134] By the way, I could be wrong about it, but I'm pretty sure I'm ready about that.

[1135] He's not.

[1136] He was found incompetent.

[1137] Oh, incompetent.

[1138] Incompetent?

[1139] He was too incompetent to stand trial for the charges.

[1140] There was no blood in his brain.

[1141] It was all in his penis.

[1142] He's not a terrible person.

[1143] He's just an incompetent person.

[1144] He's an incompetent person.

[1145] He's a bumbling predator.

[1146] In the documentary, you learn that Ron, Jeremy suffers from narcolepsy.

[1147] Oh, yes, I've heard this.

[1148] And he also drives himself everywhere.

[1149] Oh, my God.

[1150] And there's lots of footage of him in heavy traffic falling to sleep.

[1151] And I got to say, thank God no one's hurt.

[1152] Then we can laugh at it?

[1153] And boy, can we laugh at it.

[1154] It's insane.

[1155] He also makes this insane face as he's falling to sleep, which I'm going to show you right now.

[1156] Maybe Rob will take a picture later.

[1157] But he goes like this.

[1158] He'll be driving in.

[1159] All of a sudden, he starts going like this.

[1160] He does this gross dog.

[1161] He was like, licking the front of his teeth.

[1162] teeth and he's like and then he's out you're like oh my god the car's still moving it's like la traffic and then he's like this and then he goes it comes back i mean i could watch him do that for five hours i could watch your impression of it for five hours it's so gross he's driving oh god that's gross hopefully your younger listeners don't even know who we're talking about well let me tell well he's an icon he his nickname was the terrible head chog sounds right he's a shorter gentleman he's very hairy.

[1163] Short hairy.

[1164] Rotund, big, big, big beer belly.

[1165] A very large and, from my point of view, unattractor penis.

[1166] Oh, sure.

[1167] Vanes like, whoa.

[1168] No. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[1169] Yeah, it was like someone cooked a sausage way too long in the microwave.

[1170] There's something about it.

[1171] No. Oh my God, I'm just remembering I had a real life run in with fucking Ron Jeremy.

[1172] Did you?

[1173] Yes.

[1174] About 20 years ago, I was at Bandera, that Houston's sister restaurant, and I walk into the bathroom and Ron Jeremy's at the urinal.

[1175] Wow.

[1176] And I say to him, so I'm 25.

[1177] The penis is out even.

[1178] I said, do you want to have a cock off?

[1179] Oh, my God.

[1180] I swear to God I did.

[1181] Wait, were you sober yet?

[1182] No. No, that makes more sense.

[1183] I was probably five or six jacking and diets deep.

[1184] What is a cock off mean showing each other or peeing or like that game?

[1185] Let's see, let's see who's got a bigger.

[1186] No, nothing's actual.

[1187] No sword play.

[1188] Okay, that's what I was thinking.

[1189] That would be, I'd say, hey, you want to do a sword fight?

[1190] Oh, okay.

[1191] Which he probably were like.

[1192] I love it.

[1193] You know, you licked his teeth and got right into it.

[1194] Did you get a look?

[1195] No. Oh, I didn't.

[1196] No, we were separated by a person and I actually yelled it over the person in the middle.

[1197] Wow.

[1198] Yeah.

[1199] So real classy.

[1200] Super classy.

[1201] Oh, okay.

[1202] Well, Cocaine Bear absolutely loved it.

[1203] I've seen it three times.

[1204] What an accomplishment.

[1205] I hope you are so happy and proud.

[1206] I am.

[1207] Good.

[1208] It's so fucking good.

[1209] Now let's talk about the Beanie Bubble.

[1210] Oh, right.

[1211] Okay.

[1212] That's why you're here.

[1213] Did you know that?

[1214] Yeah, yeah, of course.

[1215] July 28th.

[1216] I'm so excited.

[1217] Did you have.

[1218] beanie babies?

[1219] You're asking that as a serious question to me. Who knows?

[1220] No, unfortunately I never had a beanie baby.

[1221] I don't think I ever had one either, actually.

[1222] But my brother's 12 years younger than me, and he had a few.

[1223] Yeah.

[1224] If you're a 90s baby, then you had them.

[1225] That's right, 87.

[1226] But my parents weren't cool, so they didn't buy me any.

[1227] I'd have to beg and beg and beg or like do the dishes or something to get the $5 to buy the beanie baby.

[1228] So I had a very small collection where some of my friends had enormous collections and in the cases and the resale and all of that.

[1229] And when I knew you were coming on today, I was talking to another list.

[1230] And I was asking her about being a baby.

[1231] She said she had one.

[1232] She had the monkey.

[1233] Okay.

[1234] Is that a high value?

[1235] No. But I said my most valuable one is Laberti.

[1236] Oh, LaBerty.

[1237] What's going on with LaBerty?

[1238] Liberty is a bear with an American flag.

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] I love.

[1241] Liberty.

[1242] That's right.

[1243] Oh, my God.

[1244] That took a long time.

[1245] But there was a donkey and an elephant and the bear.

[1246] Oh, Republican and political release.

[1247] That's right.

[1248] But I looked it up today to see what they're worth.

[1249] Some are saying $75 ,000 for LaBerty.

[1250] Wait, for real?

[1251] You own it right now.

[1252] I think it's in my parents' basement somewhere.

[1253] I have to find it.

[1254] Girl.

[1255] Wait, the market's back?

[1256] Because in the film, the market collapses.

[1257] Well, it does.

[1258] But there were still.

[1259] still so many limited edition Beanie babies.

[1260] That some of them held their value.

[1261] The original.

[1262] Very few.

[1263] It's still part of the cultural, right?

[1264] It's like collecting a ball that Babe Ruth hit.

[1265] He hit a lot of balls.

[1266] At least it's part of history.

[1267] I mean, none of these things have any value.

[1268] That's what the point of the movie is.

[1269] It's back to the beginning.

[1270] It's all stories.

[1271] Yeah, these are the NFTs and crypto of the day.

[1272] My mom, if she threw it out, we're in a fight.

[1273] Yeah, I'm going to need an update.

[1274] I'll let you know.

[1275] I'm going to find it.

[1276] Obviously, I knew about Beanie.

[1277] babies in that they were on the news all the time and I was aware that people were collecting them.

[1278] I was of course cynical as I've always been throughout life and I was like this is preposterous whatever who cares first and foremost aside from the movie being good we'll talk about that later just learning the story of the being baby bubble was incredible and for people who aren't super knowledgeable about how Goliath this thing was once eBay came along and the secondary market took off, they were selling $200 million a month, a month of beanie babies.

[1279] Now that will get me hard as a rock lays.

[1280] You can keep Monica's t -shirt bear.

[1281] What was called?

[1282] Liberty.

[1283] Don't dilute the value.

[1284] I think they were doing a billion a year.

[1285] Of profit.

[1286] Of profit.

[1287] Yes, they're doing a billion net.

[1288] And then all in over this crazy saga, that thing just, generated 20 billion dollars.

[1289] Yeah.

[1290] Of wealth for people.

[1291] It's insane.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] Crypto did that just recently.

[1294] I know.

[1295] I know.

[1296] And then if you played it right, you generated all this wealth.

[1297] And if you didn't play it right, you got nothing.

[1298] Yeah.

[1299] It's wild.

[1300] But again, it goes back to the very first thing we're talking about, this sapiens idea that we make all this up.

[1301] We create the thing that we give value to.

[1302] Exactly.

[1303] We didn't have to decide that it was gold way back.

[1304] You know, we could.

[1305] could have said it was peanuts.

[1306] Has to be rare because that imports value.

[1307] My Jordans.

[1308] And things that are harder to get.

[1309] I was sitting there watching it very judgmentally.

[1310] And I was like, okay, I got to admit that I'm on this.

[1311] Or like a Lamborghini.

[1312] That one I would argue I don't fall for.

[1313] I have very expensive cars.

[1314] I'm not going to pretend I don't.

[1315] They're all performance related.

[1316] They're not scarcity related.

[1317] The value that I see in them is performance.

[1318] But you're getting something that there are only so many that perform at the level.

[1319] I'm willing to spend the money on this performance because I know it's safeguarded by its scarcity.

[1320] So I can always unload this stuff.

[1321] So it does play a role in it in that way that I know I'll get my money back or more.

[1322] But the Jordan thing, I'm just fully on the teat of.

[1323] I'm like sucking on the scarcity of a, oh, my God, there's black and green ones now for two months.

[1324] There's lines around the block, you know, at Maros.

[1325] Oh, huge.

[1326] Yeah, I'm watching it pretty judgmentally.

[1327] But then I recognize I've deal it with the Jordans.

[1328] And then I realize, like, I love the whole Jordan preoccupation I have.

[1329] It's fun.

[1330] It's like ducking in and out of it.

[1331] That's what it was.

[1332] And remember, parents were doing it with their kids at that time.

[1333] What else are you doing on a Friday?

[1334] Like, well, let's go figure out where the new Beanie baby is, mom.

[1335] Let's go tackle some other moms.

[1336] Yeah, the mom's got intense.

[1337] You know, and then you're on eBay, which felt so new and cool.

[1338] And, like, you're packaging it up and sending it to somebody in Ohio.

[1339] It's like having a pen pal or something.

[1340] You know, I don't know.

[1341] You're in business.

[1342] You're in a business.

[1343] You're an entrepreneur.

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] It's empowering.

[1346] mom you're like an entrepreneur out of your garage well there's a woman in the film yes yeah so she turns a box of them into a timeshare and a mercedes yeah exactly somebody else turned it into a college fund wow so that's the global a plot of this is you're learning about this whole journey of the beanie baby and of course you're learning about tie warner who i knew nothing about me neither he's played by zach galfanacus easily the very best thing he's ever done i don't know how he'll feel about but when they came to me and said we think Zach's going to be tied.

[1347] I was like, oh, he's perfect.

[1348] I think he's brilliant.

[1349] But if I were you, I might have been in like, no, there's some heavy -ass lifting.

[1350] I need to know, is he going to be very sincere about this?

[1351] Which he was.

[1352] And he's brilliant.

[1353] He reminded me like John Goodman and his prime in this.

[1354] Oh, that's so great.

[1355] Goodmanness to him.

[1356] Or like Robin Williams.

[1357] Kind of like a sad clown known as like Mork for a while.

[1358] And then, you know, had a whole second career.

[1359] Yeah, exactly.

[1360] Anchoring your favorite movie?

[1361] Goodwill hunting.

[1362] Goodwill hunting.

[1363] The best.

[1364] So you're in it.

[1365] Zach Alfenack is in it, playing Ty Warner.

[1366] Sarah Snook, aka Shiv.

[1367] And then Geraldine, help me with her last name.

[1368] Veswanathan, yeah.

[1369] Say it for me?

[1370] It's either Veswanathan or Veswanathan.

[1371] She's tremendous.

[1372] That's my first time seeing her, and I'm now a little obsessed.

[1373] In fact, we talked about this last time.

[1374] Like, Ewan McGregor, train spotting, you know, like a breakthrough for me. Not for her.

[1375] She's already done a bunch of stuff.

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] I saw her probably first in Kay Cannon's movie Blockers.

[1378] Bell saw in some movie where her parents were running her dating app that she said was brilliant.

[1379] And she's on this Daniel Radcliffe show.

[1380] Yes.

[1381] With a curious name.

[1382] Missionaries.

[1383] Miracle workers, not missionaries.

[1384] Missionary position.

[1385] It's called missionary position.

[1386] It's on TNT.

[1387] I met like do -gooders.

[1388] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1389] That kind of not sexual.

[1390] Okay.

[1391] She's a genius.

[1392] She's so funny.

[1393] Gorgeous.

[1394] Love her.

[1395] A delight.

[1396] And then don't rule out this old chull pony because she comes in and drops the hammer every other scene.

[1397] You know, you're going to have to get through this.

[1398] You were in a Soderberg movie.

[1399] Was it with Matt Damon?

[1400] No, I was with Channing.

[1401] I did Magic Mike triple X or whatever it was.

[1402] What was the thriller you did?

[1403] I'm not in, what?

[1404] I called you as the point.

[1405] I'll look it up.

[1406] With Russell Crowe?

[1407] Probably.

[1408] Yeah, I was good in that movie.

[1409] And it was a drama.

[1410] Basically, it was the first drama I saw you.

[1411] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1412] I left the theater and I immediately liked Cocaine Bear.

[1413] I called you.

[1414] Yeah, you did.

[1415] And I said, Liz Banks, you are an incredible.

[1416] actor.

[1417] Like, I was so blown away with how good you are dramatically.

[1418] We're already over this.

[1419] We already know you are.

[1420] But again, here I am watching this Beanie Baby movie.

[1421] I'm reminded.

[1422] I'm like, God, this is a fucking powerhouse.

[1423] I mean, you're sensational.

[1424] Thank you.

[1425] I'm friends with Kristen Gore.

[1426] She wrote it and directed it with her husband, Damien Kulash.

[1427] I knew she was adapting the book.

[1428] There's also a documentary with the same title.

[1429] Yes, exactly.

[1430] I knew that she was adapting it for imagined for a long time.

[1431] I didn't know she was going to direct it.

[1432] And she kind of called me. She's like, I think we're going to do it.

[1433] I honestly read it and I was like, she knows me. She was like, this is a pitch I'm going to hit.

[1434] Yes.

[1435] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[1436] As I said, like the A storyline is this kind of rise of the Beanie Babies and then the collapse.

[1437] But really, it's a story about the three women in Ty's life and how responsible they were for Beanie Babies.

[1438] And what little credit and financial gain they received from it.

[1439] Yeah.

[1440] He was eventually.

[1441] vampire.

[1442] Well, is that fair?

[1443] Yeah.

[1444] I mean, I think ultimately, we always hear about these mythological men, right?

[1445] Steve Jobs.

[1446] Yeah, exactly.

[1447] Elon Musk.

[1448] Dick Shepherd.

[1449] Yeah, exactly.

[1450] We don't hear about Monica.

[1451] No, no, yeah.

[1452] Where's her story?

[1453] Yeah, right.

[1454] So the first page of the script was the sort of voiceover, you know, meeting the women.

[1455] And it's like, this is our story.

[1456] And I was like, oh, this is intriguing.

[1457] Because I didn't know anything about the beanie babies and or any of that stuff.

[1458] You start reading and then you realize, oh, they're really just going to tear apart this idea that anybody does any of this by themselves.

[1459] Right?

[1460] That's so cool.

[1461] Facebook is not one person.

[1462] And by the way, Ty, not taking anything away from him.

[1463] Yeah, he clearly had a Savon level.

[1464] Yeah, yeah.

[1465] Absolutely.

[1466] But I will say there are varying degrees of responsibility for certain projects.

[1467] I think there's a wide spectrum.

[1468] And I think what this exposes, in fact, his genius would not have gotten him even close.

[1469] That's right.

[1470] It wouldn't have.

[1471] No, he had no business sense at all.

[1472] Because your character, you're the first one in.

[1473] You're on the ground floor.

[1474] You start the company with this guy.

[1475] Yeah.

[1476] And you build it with him, brick by brick.

[1477] Yeah.

[1478] And then he gets this wonderful Maya, played by Geraldine.

[1479] She's the one who recognizes this eBay phenomenon.

[1480] She's the one that realizes they can market based on the...

[1481] She's the one who made it a billion -dollar company.

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] For sure.

[1484] Yes.

[1485] He could have sat in his little office all day.

[1486] I think there was even more scenes where you see her writing than the tags and stuff.

[1487] Oh, that was in there.

[1488] the, like in the raps and all this stuff.

[1489] She had, you know, all kinds of rhymes.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] So the third woman in his life who is Sarah Snook's character, her children are creating some of them.

[1492] There's even a period where they were getting credit for that.

[1493] Oh, wow.

[1494] On the tags.

[1495] Wow.

[1496] Yeah.

[1497] It's a Greek story.

[1498] It's so old.

[1499] Well, narcissists, that's what he is.

[1500] He's a narcissist.

[1501] That word is Greek.

[1502] You know what I mean?

[1503] Like, that's how old this idea is.

[1504] Yes.

[1505] And he is, but I also think that's a little too simple.

[1506] I think what I more recognize is many of us are that way, which is like there's never enough credit.

[1507] I think we all fight that.

[1508] You have to think about that regularly and push yourself against that.

[1509] I think for absolute sure, when you're young and starting out and insecure.

[1510] Yes, and afraid you're not going to be able to do this.

[1511] That absolutely is true.

[1512] I can recognize that in myself.

[1513] Yeah, me too.

[1514] But I also can recognize the older I get and the more I'm like, I'm secure in what I've got.

[1515] I know how the credit will fall to me. not.

[1516] Now I can shine my light on other people with ease.

[1517] And he never got there.

[1518] Not because he didn't get enough money.

[1519] Yeah.

[1520] It was never going to be enough for him to not just be like, it's all me. Well, but I'll tell you, probably feeding that is the true knowledge it wasn't.

[1521] Right?

[1522] It's kind of like a self -perpetuating.

[1523] That's the insecurity.

[1524] He knew it wasn't all his.

[1525] Yeah.

[1526] Like if you hadn't directed your movie, which some people don't, you might be really trying to take some claim on it.

[1527] Yeah.

[1528] But you did so you can be gracious.

[1529] It's almost a tell.

[1530] Yeah.

[1531] So the women didn't get any money?

[1532] Kind of the point of the movie is that they all figured it out and made out.

[1533] But once they left him.

[1534] They all went, we have to twist this, and we have to see our value, and we have to get the hell out, and that's how they all did it, yeah.

[1535] I can't wait to watch this.

[1536] Which is not to say that there was justice, because especially the Maya character, she was making fucking $12 an hour.

[1537] No. Yes.

[1538] How heartbreaking is that scene?

[1539] It reminded me of my CPK story when I got a 7 on punctuality, and then I quit over it, and then he left me a message on my voicemail.

[1540] said, I'm willing to go to an aid on punctuality.

[1541] Oh, my God.

[1542] She comes in, she finally makes a stamp for herself, and then he brings her up to 20 bucks an hour on the night he's announcing he's doubling everyone's salary and that they hit a billion in profit.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] So it's like nothing.

[1545] It's laughable.

[1546] So she didn't get justice there.

[1547] No. But luckily, other people had observed how talented she was and she had a career after.

[1548] Well, she went on to Pokemon and, like, helped make Pokemon.

[1549] Okay.

[1550] There's no, there's no, there's no E. I mean, there is an E in the spelling, but you don't say it.

[1551] say Pokemon?

[1552] Do I?

[1553] Or I say Pokemon.

[1554] What do you ask you?

[1555] I'm learning that I don't say it correctly.

[1556] You just said Pokemon.

[1557] The E isn't long.

[1558] I think it's a short E. I've been going to Pokemon.

[1559] I've been going to Pokemon.

[1560] You know, when I admit my failings to you, you can be gentler in response to me. You rub my nose right in the...

[1561] I honestly don't know which of us is right, actually.

[1562] I'm sure you're right.

[1563] I have terrible diction.

[1564] I have no idea.

[1565] We both are Magnicumlau.

[1566] So it's going to be a tough one for people that are.

[1567] Wet school.

[1568] Penn. Yeah, I knew it was somewhere fancy.

[1569] I was just at my alma mater this morning, participating in a class.

[1570] Really?

[1571] I was.

[1572] Yeah, I went back to UCLA.

[1573] And it's two weeks before summer's out, right?

[1574] In the vibe.

[1575] Yeah.

[1576] And I was like, oh, how do I go back to college?

[1577] I got to go back.

[1578] I got to figure this out.

[1579] You did.

[1580] That's what we do as a job.

[1581] I know, but I want to be on campus getting excited that there's two weeks.

[1582] Yes.

[1583] People were showing up, like some people had clearly got fucked up.

[1584] up last name.

[1585] Oh, it's a guest of Jason Deliance for his L .A. Anthro class.

[1586] Yeah.

[1587] Oh, my God, with all these little bright eyes.

[1588] I know, the baby, the naive loves that just have the whole world in front of them.

[1589] Talk about a reality, like, blurry.

[1590] Trying to get a grasp on who you are is impossible, I find.

[1591] I'm like, I'm 48.

[1592] What does that mean to these people?

[1593] So as I'm sitting there talking with my former classmate there, who's now a professor there, I'm like, you know, we graduated 23 years ago.

[1594] Like, the students aren't even.

[1595] 23.

[1596] They weren't even fucking alive.

[1597] There's no way I can see how old I look on the stage.

[1598] Like, you know, I think I'm pulling it off.

[1599] I'm in kind of good shape.

[1600] I wrote a motorcycle there and got my hair.

[1601] And then I walk away and I'm like, no. No, you were bringing up your graduation years before they were born.

[1602] You sounded insane.

[1603] They don't want to hear anything you have to say.

[1604] You know, I go back and forth, like, I'm not cool.

[1605] Yes.

[1606] No, no. No, so I do a lot of like, I'm on the gram.

[1607] Like, yeah, garlet.

[1608] You know, I'm like, I don't know.

[1609] You're cool.

[1610] shoes.

[1611] Nobody.

[1612] These are, like, from 1995, by the way, these shoes.

[1613] These have a funny story.

[1614] These These were made by Adidas, Adidas, for Miley Cyrus.

[1615] And then I was in their showroom.

[1616] And they were like, these were supposed to be for Miley, but she didn't pick them up.

[1617] They're your size.

[1618] I was like, yeah.

[1619] She was a child.

[1620] Yeah.

[1621] They weren't cool enough for her.

[1622] So the old lady got them.

[1623] I was like, I'll take them.

[1624] She's like, that's a pass for me. Anyway, really, the only thing I've come to is being authentic.

[1625] I don't even try.

[1626] There's no keeping up.

[1627] I can't do it.

[1628] It's authentic that you rode your motorcycle.

[1629] Yeah, I wasn't doing anything that's not me. But I just mean how I come across to young people now is I must just seem like old bad shit, nothing.

[1630] But then I'm like, I don't know, or maybe it's okay.

[1631] Young people wouldn't saw cocaine bear.

[1632] I'm authentically myself.

[1633] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1634] So I agree with you.

[1635] I'm going to be true to myself.

[1636] But I don't know that it's.

[1637] It's not worthwhile to try to evaluate the audience and, like, imagine how you're coming across being self -aware.

[1638] Yes, but it's hard.

[1639] And you can't change to match it.

[1640] You shouldn't.

[1641] You can.

[1642] I mean, I can play a character in my own life.

[1643] That's cooler than me. You know what I mean?

[1644] 27 -year -old Liz.

[1645] I can dress a certain way.

[1646] I don't know.

[1647] You have kids, right, lady?

[1648] No. Way too young.

[1649] Probably eight years.

[1650] I want to do it when I'm 35.

[1651] Yeah, exactly.

[1652] I could spend more money and time in figuring out what's cool.

[1653] Right.

[1654] But even if you did, what we would need to do is I would have needed to mic that space so that after I left, I could have found out what really happened in that two hours.

[1655] Which I would want to know.

[1656] It wouldn't kill me. I think it didn't even just kind of confirm my hunch.

[1657] Some super old man came to class today.

[1658] He swore too much, which maybe he thought was cool.

[1659] But again, that's really how I talked.

[1660] I'm sure they were like, oh, this guy was trying to sound.

[1661] young by swearing too much.

[1662] This is a classroom.

[1663] No one wants to hear that.

[1664] I don't know.

[1665] The homeowners like a go right home, I was like, I don't know how that went.

[1666] I'm going to leave this and think the same thing.

[1667] Oh, come on.

[1668] When I was in college, I would have thought that you were really cool.

[1669] You would have?

[1670] Yeah.

[1671] Oh, my God.

[1672] Think he's famous?

[1673] Never seen him in anything?

[1674] I don't know.

[1675] Tom Stoppard, the playwright Tom Stopper.

[1676] Oh, yeah, huge.

[1677] He came to visit Penn. And because I was a senior in the theater arts department and he was speaking for us.

[1678] And then he spoke at a larger dinner.

[1679] We were in charge of taking him around.

[1680] And he was old then.

[1681] I mean, he was like, whatever.

[1682] I was like, I will fuck this guy.

[1683] I will fuck him until he's dead in my bed.

[1684] Because, you know what I mean?

[1685] Did you?

[1686] He was like my McJagger.

[1687] I mean, she met her husband on the first day of school.

[1688] Yeah, of course I couldn't.

[1689] But he is like a. The amount of choice dick you missed over the years breaks my heart.

[1690] It really kills me. I could be a lot more famous.

[1691] I know.

[1692] Over time, though, works out.

[1693] You're going to get the last laugh.

[1694] It's all going to work out.

[1695] But there is some choice.

[1696] stong that was aimed at you.

[1697] I witnessed some of that.

[1698] You've seen my co -star list?

[1699] I'm telling you.

[1700] I'm sure they were all driving themselves mad.

[1701] Oh, man. It's fun.

[1702] I know you're sober when you were like, how are you?

[1703] Existentially right now?

[1704] I'm in a place where I'm like, my kids are gone in 10 years.

[1705] And when my kids are gone, I'm like, how many drugs are we doing?

[1706] Okay, great.

[1707] How many hours are we having?

[1708] Yes, great.

[1709] I'm going to get fucking nuts.

[1710] Oh, my God.

[1711] I hope I bump in.

[1712] to you during this phase.

[1713] Like, I'm sort of like, what's left to protect that point?

[1714] You did everything safe.

[1715] You went to college.

[1716] You got the good grades.

[1717] You went to Hollywood.

[1718] You made it for yourself.

[1719] You worked hard.

[1720] I just did mushrooms for the first time.

[1721] Oh, my God.

[1722] You did?

[1723] How did you like it?

[1724] It was a delight.

[1725] Yes.

[1726] What was the setting?

[1727] My husband's 50th birthday.

[1728] Oh, okay.

[1729] And I rented a house, big chill style, although no dead body.

[1730] It's 50th birthday.

[1731] Also a reference that only you and I know.

[1732] That's right.

[1733] So I had a big chill at this house in Venice Beach, Friday, Saturday, night no kids adults only we were all staying there together with like our greatest best friends which is when you're going to try something you want to be with the people that you trust to take care of you in case it goes sideways and it was a fun occasion and we're getting old like let's try stuff yeah yeah i've partied i don't have any fomo let me be clear yes i did it at the most luxurious places around the world i've done it i sure have please i fell on the dance floor at Madonna's house, you know what I mean?

[1734] Before you go, I want to work through one hypothetical scenarios.

[1735] Are we back to AI?

[1736] I think we're back to your orgy.

[1737] No, no, no, you did.

[1738] It would be my guess.

[1739] So we're fast forwarding 10 years.

[1740] Okay.

[1741] And this is the ostensible plan.

[1742] You've already been floating it with Max for a while.

[1743] Sure.

[1744] He knows that this is the game plan.

[1745] Yeah.

[1746] I'm going to urge you to be very tactical about who you're inviting to the orgy.

[1747] Of course.

[1748] Because you don't want to tip your hand too much.

[1749] Does that make sense?

[1750] Let's say you want Chris Hemsworth to be at this orgy?

[1751] I do.

[1752] Right.

[1753] Of course you do.

[1754] That's why I picked him.

[1755] So we want Chris Hemsworth.

[1756] Do not opening round of bidding tell Max, like, oh, we should get Chris in the...

[1757] I like that you're telling me how to negotiate with my husband.

[1758] Here's how I negotiate that with my husband.

[1759] This isn't hard.

[1760] Have you seen Chris Hensworth's wife?

[1761] I haven't, but I know she's a legendary hottie, right?

[1762] She was with someone else before.

[1763] Hopefully she'll be with me something.

[1764] I mean, let's go.

[1765] All right, good point, but still, consider my advice, which is like your first pick.

[1766] Yeah.

[1767] Should be your fourth pick.

[1768] Sure.

[1769] That's all I'm asking.

[1770] Because let's play it all out.

[1771] Your first one is like, let's get Kristen.

[1772] I hear they're in town.

[1773] You don't pull that off.

[1774] Then everyone arrives.

[1775] And now he's just going to be a little more paying attention to like how quickly you're interacting.

[1776] As opposed to Inception, plan a seed.

[1777] Maybe hopefully it's Max's suggestion.

[1778] First of all, I love the Dax.

[1779] I feel like you're coming.

[1780] Yeah.

[1781] Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's definitely aware of this is heading.

[1782] The seas being planted right now.

[1783] I'm as tall and broad -shouldered as a Chris Hemsworth.

[1784] I could be a number four.

[1785] I could be a backup.

[1786] I'm not afraid of that.

[1787] Yeah.

[1788] To flatter you, I'm not suggesting you first.

[1789] Okay.

[1790] I got a wink.

[1791] For the audience, there was a wink.

[1792] I might throw your name in the ring like fourth round.

[1793] Again, I'm happily.

[1794] I'm celebrating my 20th wedding anniversary.

[1795] Wow.

[1796] But also even crazier than that.

[1797] You've been together for 31 years.

[1798] That is preposterous.

[1799] 31 years.

[1800] So I personally am in a place right now where I'm just looking ahead.

[1801] I'm addicted to my kids right now.

[1802] They're amazing.

[1803] And I can't wait to see what happens next.

[1804] And it's going to be hard and amazing and all the challenges that are going to happen in teenage years.

[1805] And do they go to college?

[1806] What is college?

[1807] Is the world burned out?

[1808] I don't know.

[1809] Do they get married?

[1810] I have no idea.

[1811] But I'm so excited to like.

[1812] see all that play out.

[1813] That's number one priority.

[1814] And then I want to feed my marriage and my personal life.

[1815] But I also feel like what's amazing about when you're with someone this long is the level of trust is so deep that you can be like, I want to try some crazy shit.

[1816] You know?

[1817] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1818] Look, none of this could ever happen is my point.

[1819] I want to remain open to experiences and not shut myself off from things forever.

[1820] You want to keep expanding, not narrowing.

[1821] That's it.

[1822] That's it.

[1823] I want to keep learning.

[1824] And also, what am I capable of?

[1825] Because maybe I'm talking a big game and I'm not even capable.

[1826] We're going to find out.

[1827] I don't know.

[1828] So we got two check -ins.

[1829] We've got an AI check -in scheduled for three years from today.

[1830] And then seven years after that, we'll just check in and see how this orgy plan went.

[1831] We'll put some keys in the bowl.

[1832] But I will say, look, you already know this about me. But yeah, I was with someone for nine years that we had an open relationship.

[1833] And there was the most insane amount of trust ever.

[1834] And it just didn't bother me at all.

[1835] I was like, this woman loves me to death.

[1836] And I love her to death.

[1837] I'm not personally interested in.

[1838] But maybe this will change.

[1839] Again, I'm open to the idea that I will change my mind about all kinds of things.

[1840] I wasn't saying it suggesting you should do it.

[1841] Just I know that sense of I feel unthreatened by all this.

[1842] I would still want to do it together, though.

[1843] That's a difference.

[1844] Because you love watching Max Fuck.

[1845] You're so crass.

[1846] So crass.

[1847] No, because it just preserves us having a shared experience.

[1848] Yes.

[1849] Versus you go off and do something that I'm not a. part of that's not what you're in the market for no that's great you want 30 40 people in the room everyone's the community yeah community building Isaiah will be there oh my god I'm Jeremy I'm there I will do nothing but watch him that's all I do I'll give up my spot are you a jealous person gosh it's such a good question yes to some degree I mean everyone is to some degree I think but not in my relationship when he gets flirted with and stuff oh it makes me so happy you're happy for him right yeah yeah same It's a delight.

[1850] If I get to spy on him, like, we were meeting at a bar.

[1851] He was with a friend, and I was going to show up and meet.

[1852] And then I got to come in the door, and I saw they were, like, talking to these women were talking them up, you know.

[1853] He didn't know I was there.

[1854] I got to stand in the corner and watch him.

[1855] Yeah, little flirt flirts with these lady teams.

[1856] It's kind of sexy.

[1857] And it was hot.

[1858] Yeah.

[1859] And also, I'm sure he felt amazing.

[1860] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1861] So great.

[1862] Getting attention is nice.

[1863] I have made many actors feel uncomfortable on red carpets because any time I'm with Kristen and one of her crushes is there, I am like, all.

[1864] on it, hardcore.

[1865] But what does that come from?

[1866] Is it a test?

[1867] I want him to be flattered.

[1868] Yeah, but you're telling him?

[1869] Yes, of course, because she would be afraid.

[1870] And so I want to make his day.

[1871] Yeah.

[1872] And then also now she gets to chat with this guy.

[1873] She's in love with on TV, and I love that for her too.

[1874] You kind of use it as like a bridge to like have her meet.

[1875] A wing man. Yeah, okay.

[1876] I'm a wing man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1877] And I love it.

[1878] Yeah.

[1879] But I do think a couple times because people have a very hard time, believing that I'm not jealous?

[1880] As you just did, you just furrowed your eyebrows.

[1881] Like, there's some weird test here.

[1882] Not happening.

[1883] No, no, not that.

[1884] There's an interesting psychology to a guy who's like, I want to tell this other guy that my wife wants to fuck him.

[1885] It has a crush on him.

[1886] Yeah.

[1887] Sure, it wants to fuck him.

[1888] Whatever.

[1889] Yeah.

[1890] I'm using your crass.

[1891] I guess that's what a crush is.

[1892] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1893] So I find it interesting that you need it to be out.

[1894] You want to say it out Because I'll tell you why.

[1895] If I found out who's a very popular couple, I just thought of one, but I don't want to use that one.

[1896] Let's just say, let's just say that Ben Affleck and J -Lo.

[1897] Sure.

[1898] If they were with me and he knew she had a huge crush on me and he was kind of denying me that, that would be so fun for me to hear.

[1899] I'm not going to do anything with J -Lo.

[1900] I'm not going to try to get her number on that.

[1901] Nothing's going to happen other than I'm going to feel insanely special and flattered for that whole evening.

[1902] Yes.

[1903] And so he could give that to me if he chose.

[1904] to.

[1905] And so I presume a lot about other men.

[1906] And I can't imagine there's a guy on Planet Earth that if they found out Kristen had a crush on them that that wouldn't make them happy.

[1907] That's a nice way to think about it.

[1908] It does do something in the room, though.

[1909] I think it is really interesting.

[1910] I was going to admit to that.

[1911] So with the couple of the control over that experience.

[1912] It's also saying, I know that this is the case.

[1913] Just so you know, I know.

[1914] And yeah, and everyone play and it can be fun.

[1915] I'm interested in the moment that Kristen just bumps into somebody in your presence and on her own says, oh, my God, I have the biggest crush on you.

[1916] That's fine, and that's happened.

[1917] There's other times where she's not going to go up to Riz Ahmed and tell him this.

[1918] That's an exact example.

[1919] But what occurred to me is after I was pitching her to Riz, and I'm looking at his face, and I do register, there's a little bit of nervousness.

[1920] And then I really am looking.

[1921] I'm like, oh, God, what I never thought of, does he think, A, we have a kinky thing where I'm trying, I want to see him fuck my wife, which I don't want to see.

[1922] I didn't really think that he might be nervous.

[1923] I'm trying to get him ensnared in our love making, which I'm not.

[1924] But that's the kind of thing I've had some short -sightedness.

[1925] Because most of the time it's happened, it's always great.

[1926] Everyone's excited and it's lovely.

[1927] I think some of it, too, is like, I don't know how well Riz Ahmed knows who you are.

[1928] I know you, and I know if you went up somebody and said that it's a fun, benevolent.

[1929] I know your spirit.

[1930] You know what I mean?

[1931] So maybe it's just Rizamette is like, who's this guy again?

[1932] Well, he feels like a trap.

[1933] That's the thing.

[1934] I think that he was like, is he going to beat me up?

[1935] Is this a trap?

[1936] Yeah.

[1937] Like is it either perverted and he wants us to join their love making, which I don't.

[1938] Or is this a bizarre alpha move or it's a trap?

[1939] And if I flirt back, he's going to get weird.

[1940] Neither of the case.

[1941] But I didn't think, I didn't really consider someone might interpret it that way.

[1942] But also when you do it, you're still declaring we're on a team, which is nice.

[1943] It's like, we're on a team and she likes you, but it's still us.

[1944] Well, I think it's a very safe way to tell someone that they have a crush on you.

[1945] It's like everything's safe.

[1946] We're married.

[1947] Nothing's happening.

[1948] But isn't this delightful?

[1949] When you guys sent me. the video after Cocaine Bar, which was so generous.

[1950] I mean, I said that to you when I saw you after.

[1951] Say it in public, though.

[1952] You didn't say that here today.

[1953] It's so generous of spirit to see something and be like, that's great.

[1954] And I know this person, and I can actually tell them that I enjoy their thing that they're doing.

[1955] And you're absolutely right.

[1956] I say it all the time, like, nobody hates to hear it.

[1957] Right.

[1958] We tell ourselves, don't do it.

[1959] They'll feel annoyed.

[1960] Someone's like, should I tip?

[1961] I go, everybody likes money.

[1962] Exactly.

[1963] Exactly.

[1964] Anytime someone's like, should I...

[1965] You ever debating the tip?

[1966] Just do it.

[1967] Yeah, just do it.

[1968] Same.

[1969] If you're debating the compliment, do it.

[1970] So I was inspired by you guys.

[1971] Oh, okay.

[1972] I started really, like, reaching out when you see something you like.

[1973] I just did it actually with Conan O 'Brien.

[1974] And just the sense that you can be generous with love.

[1975] Just put the positivity out.

[1976] You'll share the shitty thought.

[1977] Hopefully not with the person.

[1978] No, but I'm saying when someone sees a movie they hate, they're very happy to tell everyone why they hated it.

[1979] I try not to do that.

[1980] No, I don't do it in public, obviously, because it's very hard.

[1981] But if I'm with Kristen in bed, she's going to hear about what I thought.

[1982] It's going to get real.

[1983] I'm like, oh, my God, I'll viscerate something because I know how the sausage is made.

[1984] Sometimes they really fuck up.

[1985] They didn't make it right.

[1986] And I need to share that with her.

[1987] So, right?

[1988] So it happens.

[1989] Yeah.

[1990] But I have to neutralize that by any time I like something.

[1991] You need a balance.

[1992] Yes.

[1993] It's kind of like no one ever calls the manager over to say, this service was exceptional.

[1994] Now, when they've had terrible service, they'll call the manager over.

[1995] And I'm just the type of person like, hey, call them over every now and then just say, I'd love to see your manager.

[1996] They're nervous.

[1997] Then the manager comes over.

[1998] I just want you know that you've got the best employee in the world.

[1999] It's so great when you do.

[2000] I do that on airplanes a lot, actually.

[2001] Who do you tell?

[2002] The pilot?

[2003] I will when I'm getting off.

[2004] These guys really took care of us tonight.

[2005] Oh, that's nice.

[2006] When they come over and they introduce and they use their name, just use their name.

[2007] Yeah.

[2008] It's the minimum.

[2009] Maybe do that.

[2010] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2011] And tell people when your wife's hot for them.

[2012] I think they generally goes well.

[2013] There's been a couple of misfires, but.

[2014] I don't disagree telling people they're great or that they've moved you or that you're excited or that you're hot for them.

[2015] It's all going to be met with pretty favorable response.

[2016] Oh, well, we didn't agree on AI, but boy, did we agree on the compliments.

[2017] And that's the most important things.

[2018] We found our way.

[2019] I'm not sure we disagreed on the AI.

[2020] I know.

[2021] I'm just trying to make this a seamless.

[2022] You're trying to lay on the plane.

[2023] You're going to lay on the couch, Banks.

[2024] Take your broke -ass, Miley Cyrus shoes and your torn -up jeans.

[2025] It is kind of funny.

[2026] we had a conversation about how old do we present?

[2027] Because you do look like an 11 -year -old girl right now after all that.

[2028] You're like ripped up jeans and some colorful high tops with like doodads on the funny.

[2029] You have a flare on the lace.

[2030] I do.

[2031] That's from Cocaine Bear, actually.

[2032] I had those in the 80s.

[2033] So Cocaine Bear, the girl character, D .D. is 12 years old in 1985.

[2034] And I was 11 years old in 1985.

[2035] A lot of the stuff that she's wearing and doing and do dads and everything were my obsessions.

[2036] Oh, my God, fun.

[2037] Yeah.

[2038] I like those.

[2039] I know, they were so good.

[2040] Oh, my God.

[2041] They were, like, so sweet and wonderful.

[2042] So great.

[2043] You knocked it out of the park.

[2044] But also, everyone should see Beanie Bubble in theaters July 25th.

[2045] Of course, we drastically prefer you go see it with an audience.

[2046] Please go see it with an audience.

[2047] Share that experience.

[2048] It is super fun and funny.

[2049] Thank the pilot afterwards.

[2050] That's right.

[2051] Call the manager over and tell everyone what a good job they did.

[2052] And then if you were detained or in the hospital, you can also watch it on Apple Plus on July 28th.

[2053] Yes.

[2054] Love you, List Bank, see in three years.

[2055] I adore you.

[2056] Stay tuned for the facts check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

[2057] Hi.

[2058] Heller.

[2059] Heller from Martha's Vineyard.

[2060] From Martha's vagina.

[2061] You know what I've already learned here?

[2062] What?

[2063] People say the vineyard.

[2064] Did you already know that?

[2065] No. Okay.

[2066] People are like, are you on the vineyard?

[2067] We're on the vineyard.

[2068] When are you going to the vineyard?

[2069] When are you leaving the vineyard?

[2070] just the vineyard.

[2071] Oh my God.

[2072] Okay.

[2073] Good thing you learned that.

[2074] Right.

[2075] Like if you were in wedding Crashers and you just say crashes when we were shooting crashes.

[2076] Oh, wow.

[2077] Okay.

[2078] It's a jargon.

[2079] But I bet it's one of those jargons.

[2080] It's like nicknames.

[2081] You only are allowed to do that if you have gone.

[2082] Right.

[2083] If you're not a poser.

[2084] But I'm a poser, okay?

[2085] I don't, I don't belong here and it's quite obvious, I think.

[2086] Wait, I wanted to talk to you about that, actually, because, look, I want to go there.

[2087] That's a place for me. I know it.

[2088] Right.

[2089] Of course.

[2090] Oh, it is.

[2091] It is.

[2092] I was born to be on the vineyard, you know?

[2093] Yes, yes.

[2094] But I imagine, and this is all based on stereotypes, that the vineyard would be a place that would be very triggering to you.

[2095] Oh, sure.

[2096] Yeah.

[2097] Yeah, yeah.

[2098] Very was my assumption.

[2099] be.

[2100] Yes.

[2101] And rich white people.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] Again, to me sounds like paradise, but I could imagine you feeling like, what is this?

[2104] Of course.

[2105] Yes, yes.

[2106] And it should.

[2107] But a couple things.

[2108] One, I think there's even, I don't know, in the hierarchy of it all, I think like Nantuckett's bougier or waspier.

[2109] Okay.

[2110] And then there's a, you know, but by the way, I just zoomed out from my Google maps, your location.

[2111] And it's very interesting.

[2112] It's very close to the Hamptons.

[2113] Like, if you were to take a boat south, it looks like it's probably like 60 miles to Montauk or maybe 80 miles or something, not far.

[2114] And then Nantucket is just north.

[2115] It's another island north.

[2116] I think the ferry ride is like an hour and a half.

[2117] It's not like the ferry goes very fast.

[2118] So they're all like, it's like a big chain and it makes sense.

[2119] Okay, so if you were in New Yorker, you would have been in the Hamptons in Long Island, but if you're in Massachusetts, you would go to Nantucket or to Marta's Vineyard, Marta's Vineyard, and they're all right kind of all in a chain.

[2120] Got it.

[2121] Okay.

[2122] Okay, that had nothing to do with the socioeconomic thing, but.

[2123] But it's still interesting.

[2124] I didn't know that.

[2125] Yeah, still in my mind could go to, maybe I'd go to Nantucket and get triggered, but I don't know.

[2126] Here's what's happened so far.

[2127] Ted and Mary, the loveliest people on planet Earth, met us at the ferry.

[2128] They took the moms to the grocery store.

[2129] Eric and I went and got a rental car with the kids, took them to the house.

[2130] Then Ted and Mary and the moms showed up, groceries.

[2131] Then we go to this little market and they have gluten -free pizza they make there, which is a big win.

[2132] So you pull up, there's a huge porch and then not even picnic tables, just like rocking chairs on a bench in front.

[2133] You can sit on this huge porch and eat.

[2134] the food you get from the market right when we pull up i see my favorite guy don ruse who i talk about on here all the time and his husband dan so so right like i am prepared to be triggered yet i meet ted and mary and they're the coolest people in the world mary's from arkansas for crying out loud ted's from fucking flagstaff arizona so although they're now of means they're also from dirt roads like me and then don ruse i've known forever and so we bump into him and now i'm chatting and And I go, oh, okay, I think I get the appeal of it.

[2135] Now, mind you, all right, I'll add a caveat.

[2136] So then we're sitting out on the porch eating all this food.

[2137] And then I am watching people pull up.

[2138] And I did say to Eric, a lot of these dads look like the guys I see in American greed that go down for white collar crimes.

[2139] Yes, yes.

[2140] Like a few of them looked like when you see a white collary dude, but he looks very aggressive.

[2141] You know, it looks like one of those guys from here.

[2142] So I guess I was kind of being judgmental.

[2143] of the people I was seeing.

[2144] Oh, I see.

[2145] I just imagine they were all in banking or some kind of thing.

[2146] And then I went straight to American Greed.

[2147] So it's not completely out of my system yet.

[2148] You know the main thing that has shifted for me that has mitigated the class war thing?

[2149] It's like I don't feel less than anymore.

[2150] Yes.

[2151] So it's like I see the same stuff, but I'm not in an emotional state of feeling less than or that I'm a poser or that I'm an imposterer.

[2152] I don't feel that way.

[2153] Yeah.

[2154] And then it allows me to just observe them as they are without any kind of emotional baggage attached to it.

[2155] So, yeah, I'm having a delightful time.

[2156] And I think increasingly I do have a delightful time around people I would have claimed to not want to be around a decade ago.

[2157] Me. Yes, you.

[2158] Snooty Georgia graduates.

[2159] Cheerleader, state champ.

[2160] No, you said you would have liked me. Absolutely, because you have a sense of humor.

[2161] So we would have been in one of these AP classes.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] And I would have been cutting up a little bit.

[2164] You would have liked that.

[2165] Yeah, I think so.

[2166] Knowing your particular sense of humor, yes.

[2167] It wouldn't just be disruption for the sake of disruption.

[2168] It would be good material.

[2169] Because I'm against that.

[2170] Exactly.

[2171] But no, it would be, you know, it would be pretty good material.

[2172] I think.

[2173] Maybe I'm wrong.

[2174] You wouldn't have liked it when I was smoking out the window of the, teleconference class I had, the AP history or whatever.

[2175] I would have eye rolled at that.

[2176] Yeah, you'd be like, I don't want to smoke cigarettes, you dirtbag.

[2177] Get out of here.

[2178] Yeah.

[2179] But then what would happen is you would accidentally leave one of your essays on the table.

[2180] It would fall on the floor and I'm polite, so I would pick it up.

[2181] But when I, I lean down, I pick it up to give it to you, but then you're gone.

[2182] You would already left.

[2183] Oh, okay.

[2184] So then I'm stuck with this essay and I was like, oh, I'll give it to her tomorrow.

[2185] Oh, I love where this is going.

[2186] You're going to read it at home, aren't you?

[2187] Uh -huh.

[2188] Uh -huh.

[2189] On acts, like, I opened my trapper keeper to study.

[2190] Sure.

[2191] Proof -read yours for the same.

[2192] That's Smoker's essay.

[2193] I got to remember to give that to him.

[2194] Oh, wait, that's an interesting opening line.

[2195] And then I keep reading.

[2196] And then I'm very shook by your mixed messages.

[2197] Right, right, right.

[2198] Well, that would be the dream scenario.

[2199] Have you seen that in a movie?

[2200] Because that feels like a very 90s or 80s thing that could have, would have been great in a movie.

[2201] I'm sure I did.

[2202] I mean, there are no new ideas, you know?

[2203] Right.

[2204] You find the bad boys essay.

[2205] That's a good device.

[2206] Yeah.

[2207] Maybe you invented it.

[2208] Yeah.

[2209] I mean, I've watched enough rom -coms in my life to have definitely, it's just, at the surface, you know?

[2210] It's the architecture in which you think in now.

[2211] It's like the format of your brain.

[2212] It is.

[2213] Yeah, yeah.

[2214] Solerino?

[2215] Solerno.

[2216] Oh, Kalabanga degerino?

[2217] No, no, no. Solerno, the, you talk for another person.

[2218] Oh, soliloquy?

[2219] No, no, no, no. Solerno, I think.

[2220] I don't know it.

[2221] They made a movie.

[2222] We've talked about this on here a few times.

[2223] They made a movie and Steve Martin.

[2224] It was called Roxanne.

[2225] He had a really long name.

[2226] We're talking about DeBersiac.

[2227] Serino DeBersiac.

[2228] Salerno DeBersiac?

[2229] No, Cyrano.

[2230] Sereno.

[2231] That's the name of the story, though, right?

[2232] Serenot.

[2233] Yeah, I think that's his name.

[2234] Okay.

[2235] The guy who's talking through someone else.

[2236] And that is what I was trying to say when I said Calabunga.

[2237] Degeneres?

[2238] Yeah.

[2239] Ellen's brother, Calabunga Degeneres.

[2240] Yeah.

[2241] It is funny because, and of course, I understand this.

[2242] So I was listening to something recently and somebody who I like and trust and know was telling a story about somebody, this asshole.

[2243] And was like, and he got in this really fancy car.

[2244] Uh -huh, sure, sure.

[2245] And then this person said, not like.

[2246] everyone who drives a fancy, like, they clarify that that doesn't equal being bad.

[2247] Right, but it doesn't help.

[2248] It doesn't help.

[2249] And then that's always, that's confused.

[2250] Like, it feels weird.

[2251] Well, yes, I think about this all the time.

[2252] We are a country that makes a lot of sacrifices to keep the ability for someone to rise out of poverty and become extremely wealthy.

[2253] Like, we make a lot of sacrifices to make.

[2254] that our model, right?

[2255] There's pretty great inequity.

[2256] Yeah, we believe in that.

[2257] Yeah, we believe.

[2258] That's the American dream.

[2259] Yeah.

[2260] And we do know, unfortunately, statistically, that people don't rise out of their economic class.

[2261] They're born in with any real significant number.

[2262] But we all want to protect that because we all think will be rich.

[2263] But what's interesting is, and I thought this was most repugnant during that submarine thing.

[2264] Oh, my God.

[2265] I know.

[2266] I can't believe we haven't talked about this yet.

[2267] So, you know, I think people immediately pointed out, well, they're putting all this money into that rescue and they could have rescued the refugees.

[2268] And it's like, okay, well, hold on.

[2269] Those are two different issues.

[2270] This is exactly the same as when people are talking about police brutality towards black people and they go, well, what about black on black murder?

[2271] That's much higher than the police.

[2272] If they really care, they would go after.

[2273] It's like, no, no, no, wait, we're not talking about that.

[2274] You don't need to pull in this other thing that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[2275] That number could be anything.

[2276] it wouldn't mean it's okay for there to be a three X rate of black people dying at the hands of law enforcement right right those are unrelated so this refugee thing is completely unrelated to this submarine thing in my opinion those are not those yeah yeah no i agree i agree i mean i do i think it's bad that they didn't put in enough effort there but that's that's that's not the fault of the yeah so exactly and of course it's elective going in a submarine is elective i get that argument it's elective no one needed to do that but at the end of the day there were, I don't even know how many people were in there, six or seven people.

[2277] Six, I think, yeah.

[2278] That knew we are going to die in this thing.

[2279] I know.

[2280] I know.

[2281] We're going to die in this thing.

[2282] We're either going to implode in it or we're going to run out of oxygen, but we're in just the waiting game of about to die.

[2283] Like, that is such an agony that everyone should feel sympathetic towards.

[2284] I fully agree.

[2285] But people were happy.

[2286] Some people were happy.

[2287] Like the glee that they had that these.

[2288] rich people were dying and this thing they didn't need to be doing, made them happy.

[2289] And that's very disturbing to me. But I'm also reading this great book right now.

[2290] And fuck if I can't.

[2291] It's called Trio, I think.

[2292] It's by a New York Times journalist.

[2293] I'm going to forget everything.

[2294] And it's really good.

[2295] I think I talked about it on here before.

[2296] The book's really about how egalitarian early civilization was in early tribal hunting gathering societies, which of course is well documented in anthropology.

[2297] But last.

[2298] Knight's chapter was about the air raids over London by the Lufwaffe in World War II.

[2299] And they have all this data that the suicide rate went down.

[2300] People checking into the mental health facilities plummeted.

[2301] By all accounts, that terrible event that created so much wreckage in tens of thousands of civilian deaths ultimately raised the overall sense of well -being and morale.

[2302] societally, in the towns that didn't get bombed, their numbers of suicide rate stayed the same, and so did they're being admitted into mental facilities.

[2303] And then the same thing happened in Germany.

[2304] So then we bombed Dresden, even 10 acts of what was happening in London.

[2305] Like, we just, you know, we buried Dresden.

[2306] Same thing happened there.

[2307] Suicide rate went down in the towns that weren't bombed in Germany.

[2308] Their mental health stayed stagnant.

[2309] But so the whole point of all this data was that the simple act of chaos gives everyone purpose and it immediately erases all of the socioeconomic distinctions, all of the racial distinctions, all the education.

[2310] Now it's just people surviving.

[2311] And once people enter that zone of collective purpose, there aren't really mental health issues.

[2312] It's incredible.

[2313] But it's.

[2314] And so, you know, that somehow feeds into this rich, I guess because we are so engineered to be egalitarian and to self -police.

[2315] They even say, like, even in Katrina, all that was represented that, you know, people were looting and violence was up.

[2316] In fact, the crime rate fell.

[2317] It said in this book, and the looting was actually people just looking for food.

[2318] It's not really looting.

[2319] And that immediately they started self -organizing.

[2320] They started having their own law enforcement, like people, the community started policing itself.

[2321] And I think we have such a strong inclination.

[2322] to police anything that's not egalitarian or equal or fair and we want to punish those and in a society where someone gets so much more it would appear from our primitive brains that they have stolen to get that or that they right there's an unfairness yeah something's unjust if they have more than you it's all very confusing and and i just thought it was peculiar how excited people were to make memes making fun of that submarine even before we knew the fate of it.

[2323] I know.

[2324] The first thing I saw was Adam Grant posted something saying, basically saying this, like it's pretty atrocious to see all the memes and like jokes and stuff about this is a tragedy.

[2325] Yeah, yeah.

[2326] I think I thought of a good analogy for it, which is, yeah, we're sitting there the rest of us who can't afford 200 grand to go in a submarine to go see the Titanic.

[2327] We're looking at that going, that's completely unnecessary.

[2328] necessary.

[2329] And so you kind of, you reap what you sow.

[2330] But I will point out that any civilization that doesn't have air travel that would be looking at the West going, these people need to get in the sky and they need to be everywhere all the time.

[2331] Why?

[2332] So they can say they went to the place.

[2333] It's like, they could have the exact same assessment as a commercial airline crashing.

[2334] And if they were excited and elated by the fact that these Westerners who for some reason have to go all over the place.

[2335] Like they chose this.

[2336] They were going on vacations and stuff.

[2337] No one had to go in an airplane to stay alive.

[2338] You're doing it because you either, you know, you have a crazy job that, you know, none of it would make sense to a, you know, hunting and gathering society.

[2339] But if they were celebrating because a plane crashed, that would not be the best version of them.

[2340] No. No, definitely not.

[2341] It is complicated.

[2342] Because, I mean, in some ways, what you're saying about the book, it's almost an adornment.

[2343] for socialism in some ways.

[2344] It's like making everything a little bit more even overall leads to a healthier society.

[2345] Yeah, the problem with socialism is it's not egalitarian.

[2346] It's not the community making the rules.

[2347] It's a central organization somewhere in this country, this story we tell, you know, that's deciding who gets what in distributing and trying to respond.

[2348] to things that pop up that it just doesn't work and it's actually there is a force above everyone as opposed to like a small group of people who can self -organize and self -police and as they say like a tyrannical leader is impossible and in a hunting and gathering tribe because three men will just bond together and murder that guy in his sleep like no one can get away with being tyrannical or they'll be killed but you can there are fucking communism was completely rife with these criminal cadres who were on the griff like that wasn't egalitarian at all it was just everyone suffered pretty equally I guess yeah well it is tricky so I definitely think there are pieces I mean I don't know if you listen to Tuesdays last Tuesdays health update from David we did a flightless bird help to explain the break he's going to take yes so we're moving to probably every other week on that show because his back.

[2349] He has a back problem.

[2350] He needs surgery.

[2351] Yeah.

[2352] And it is interesting hearing the whole saga and what he was going through here.

[2353] And then what happened as soon as he went to New Zealand, he got into the doctor immediately.

[2354] He got two MRIs.

[2355] Like he couldn't even get an MRI here.

[2356] Uh -huh.

[2357] And, you know, those are the parts, I think, that drive people.

[2358] mad, right?

[2359] People of means and privilege have access to better care.

[2360] Like, that's not, that is not fair.

[2361] Right, right, right, right.

[2362] So there are real pieces and then everything just gets thrown on top of it.

[2363] It's like, that's not fair that they have better care, which is true.

[2364] And so also they are more likely to be asshole.

[2365] Like, you just start conflating all the bad stuff.

[2366] Mm -hmm.

[2367] I think we project life's evils on rich people.

[2368] Oh, yeah.

[2369] But I think, I think, the healthcare thing is, I think it's tempting.

[2370] Everyone wants it to be binary, right?

[2371] Like, there's a good system or a bad system.

[2372] Ours is bad.

[2373] New Zealand's is good.

[2374] Ours is bad.

[2375] England's is good.

[2376] Canada's is good.

[2377] But I'm friends with several Canadians and English people.

[2378] They fucking have plenty of complaints.

[2379] Like, they're very upset with their, I don't, you're really looking at tradeoffs in like, what percentage is it good?

[2380] I don't know.

[2381] Yeah, nothing's perfect.

[2382] But I do think there's a lot of people on the left that have this fantasy that if we had the NHS, any of these national health cares, that that would be utopia.

[2383] And it, it sadly won't be utopia.

[2384] No, it won't.

[2385] It won't.

[2386] But I do think it would relieve David has an HMO here.

[2387] And so he was paying 300 and something a month here for an HMO plan, which is not ideal.

[2388] Right.

[2389] Right.

[2390] And so, and he couldn't get in, like, you know, weeks and weeks to get the doctor.

[2391] He had to keep going back to get referral, you know, a mess.

[2392] And he's paying a lot.

[2393] I mean, 300 a month is a lot.

[2394] Yeah.

[2395] The thought we came to is, so in New Zealand, he has private insurance as well.

[2396] You can go the public route, which is free or private, and he has private.

[2397] But he was saying, you know, the public health care system there, he was like, is kind of equivalent to that HMO.

[2398] Like, you have to wait.

[2399] It's hard.

[2400] It's not easy.

[2401] He was like, but it's free.

[2402] Right.

[2403] So at least you're not spending all this money and can't get the care.

[2404] And, you know, he just paid out of pocket on all this stuff here so he could just get in.

[2405] Yeah.

[2406] And even his private insurance there is $200 or something, New Zealand dollars, a quarter.

[2407] Oh, wow.

[2408] Wow.

[2409] Yeah.

[2410] Oh, wow.

[2411] That's very affordable.

[2412] And, I mean, they have less people.

[2413] It's a different thing.

[2414] Like, we can't.

[2415] Yeah.

[2416] They have three million.

[2417] have 300 million.

[2418] A hundred percent.

[2419] We can't just be like, well, see?

[2420] Because it's a different situation.

[2421] But I also think it's good to look at other places and consider what can be done for this so that we're just not in this crazy polarized.

[2422] These people hate these people.

[2423] Everyone's mad at this.

[2424] I don't know.

[2425] The highest percentage solution is some compromise between these two positions and we're just caught in this fucking left and right thing, which is maddening.

[2426] Yeah, the right would be like, everyone for themselves, I don't give it care if you're, you know, kids aren't entitled to health care.

[2427] What, what?

[2428] And then the left would be, you know, everyone should have the exact same health care.

[2429] It also ignores all these realities.

[2430] Like, there's going to be a best spinal column surgeon.

[2431] Okay, so that spinal column surgeon is going to have a wait list of 10 years.

[2432] And that person's entitled to charge what their market value is.

[2433] Now what do you do about all that?

[2434] There's no reward for being the best one in the whole country.

[2435] I mean, yeah.

[2436] I feel like in an ideal, ideally we would have free basic health care public health care yeah government and then a private option yeah yeah i'd be up for that see how that goes okay i think i solved it great let's um next thing what else we got immigration i did liz and i joked that i would run for president and it would be a Mary Kay and Ashley based platform.

[2437] Oh my gosh.

[2438] Do explain.

[2439] Just like my clothes and stuff would be them.

[2440] And I would talk about them a lot in my debates.

[2441] Uh -huh.

[2442] I use them as like my North Star.

[2443] Would you appoint them secretaries of fashion?

[2444] Of course.

[2445] Well, first create and then appoint the first ever secretary of fashion.

[2446] You know, I had a dream about them.

[2447] they were doing one of their old movies.

[2448] They used to do these little movies.

[2449] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2450] And they were doing another one, but as adults.

[2451] Oh, right.

[2452] And then they used to have cruises, too.

[2453] Yeah.

[2454] Yeah.

[2455] And Sarah Ramos went on one of those cruises.

[2456] Wow.

[2457] Yeah.

[2458] Okay, well, we have some, oh, no. What?

[2459] The most important fact.

[2460] I didn't find out about Which one?

[2461] Do my parents still have my Laberti bear, Beanie Baby?

[2462] Potentially worth $75 ,000.

[2463] Right.

[2464] We haven't figured that out yet.

[2465] No. Also, a lot of people are calling for a pain your rebuttal.

[2466] Oh, really?

[2467] To Michael Shannon episode.

[2468] Which, by the way, I'm so delighted people really like that Michael Shannon episode.

[2469] I loved that episode.

[2470] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2471] loved it.

[2472] So maybe on the next fact check or in the next couple, you should text Pena and ask.

[2473] Okay, I will.

[2474] I'm going to text him and see what, see if it got to him and then see what his response is.

[2475] The nice thing is in the comments I saw, most people were like, my heart doubled in size for Pena.

[2476] Like, luckily, everyone recognizes what a beautiful, generous person, Pena was every time he saw.

[2477] Oh, my God.

[2478] Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[2479] What a story.

[2480] Okay, anyway, so TBD on the Beanie Baby.

[2481] I'll text my mom while you're texting Pena.

[2482] Uh -huh.

[2483] Okay, these are TBD.

[2484] We'll get these in.

[2485] I feel kind of bad sending my mom on a goose chase, but I also don't feel that bad.

[2486] Yeah, I don't either.

[2487] She's retired now, right?

[2488] Yeah.

[2489] And I'll give her 1 % of the profits.

[2490] Okay, $750.

[2491] that's not bad for looking for something in the house i think that's great that's two months of david's hmo okay so this is for e -banks elizabeth banks slash liz banks yeah and in the intro i think we debated i think i said e -banks and you were like i think people call her liz banks and in the episode she referred to herself as e -banks oh she did oh wow so you that's great Great.

[2492] Okay.

[2493] We had a couple pronunciations to check.

[2494] Of mine.

[2495] Well, there were just some debates.

[2496] Oh, they were, okay, great.

[2497] There were real -time debates.

[2498] Yeah.

[2499] The actress's last name in Beanie Bubble, we were saying, is either Viswanathan or Viswanathan.

[2500] And I found out how to say it, okay?

[2501] Okay, here we go.

[2502] Here it is.

[2503] It's coming.

[2504] And action.

[2505] Bypronouncedames .com.

[2506] Hey, that sounds like a third option.

[2507] That doesn't sound like either of the things that you just.

[2508] Vishwanaten.

[2509] Vishanaten.

[2510] I know.

[2511] The way they're saying it, but I think that's right.

[2512] That almost sounds like in Sarah Marshall and he's like, Are you from London?

[2513] I know.

[2514] I know.

[2515] But that's, I think, right because what I know to be true about Indian names often, is, oh, I think I'm thinking about it.

[2516] And now you don't know.

[2517] I don't.

[2518] I thought, okay, I'm wrong.

[2519] It's the opposite.

[2520] Can I just say I'm delighted that you are so often confused as well.

[2521] It's very comforting.

[2522] Yeah.

[2523] But I'm not a good representative.

[2524] I'm not.

[2525] And it's why I'm never invited to any of the gala.

[2526] Are there Indian gala?

[2527] Yeah.

[2528] There was like some gala that many.

[2529] was at, I think in New York or D .C. And it looked really cool.

[2530] And I wasn't invited.

[2531] Oh, no. And it was a gathering of Desa people.

[2532] Dacey.

[2533] See, I, that's right.

[2534] I said it right.

[2535] Okay.

[2536] Dacey.

[2537] Yeah.

[2538] Okay.

[2539] Oh, no. Now you said it right.

[2540] Now you're, you've caught up.

[2541] No, I get it.

[2542] What if I was there next year?

[2543] Oh, my God.

[2544] Wouldn't be surprised.

[2545] Yeah.

[2546] It was.

[2547] It was like a cultural gala, which, okay, also, this is a good opportunity for me to, talk about my desire to go to more gala's.

[2548] Oh, okay.

[2549] You want to put that out there into the universe?

[2550] It's a goal.

[2551] I have three gala dresses.

[2552] Right.

[2553] You're a gala waiting for a gala.

[2554] I'm a gal waiting for a gala.

[2555] Oh, my gosh.

[2556] That's a tagline.

[2557] Always a gal, never a gala.

[2558] a lot of rom -coms that we've created today we do we're on fire oh my god we're not allowed to do this as a writer's strike we're not supposed to be doing this coming out of ideas i want to put both those ideas into chat gt p t gg and see what kind of just the title always a gal never a gala that's the log line that's the log line okay anywho i have three beautiful gal addresses black tie and no gala, except I do now have one gala.

[2559] Kristen is hosting a gala, so I'm going to that.

[2560] Oh, wonderful.

[2561] Also, you guys hosted a gala for your kid's school.

[2562] We sure did.

[2563] And when I heard about it, I was like, oh, my God, I'm coming to that.

[2564] I told Kristen, I'm coming to the gala.

[2565] I was really excited to wear a gala dress, and then you guys made the attire, California cash or something.

[2566] Beach cash.

[2567] I was so annoyed that I couldn't wear my gala dress.

[2568] That was probably just to cater to me not wanting to wear a tuxedo, to be honest.

[2569] Probably.

[2570] Yes, I apologize.

[2571] It's probably my fault.

[2572] But by the way, just fucking show up in a gala dress.

[2573] No, it has to like.

[2574] No, because I do the opposite, right?

[2575] Like, I show up in a onesie, a lot of places that you're supposed to be dressed up in.

[2576] And people go, oh, that's cool.

[2577] You did that.

[2578] And you could do the reverse of that.

[2579] I don't think it works that way.

[2580] It only works the other way.

[2581] No. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[2582] White privilege.

[2583] White privilege.

[2584] Male.

[2585] Patriarchy.

[2586] Like, yeah, you can't come being too fancy.

[2587] That looks.

[2588] See, I think it's more of a crime or an offense to be underdressed than overdressed.

[2589] Not in 2023.

[2590] Okay.

[2591] It's like cool to be cash.

[2592] It's hip to be square.

[2593] Different song.

[2594] Huey Lewis in the news.

[2595] I thought you're going to sing.

[2596] There was one that's like, I'm not going to sing it.

[2597] Anywho, so throwing it out there, I...

[2598] You're available to attend some gala.

[2599] I am, and I will pay.

[2600] I pay at these gals.

[2601] Oh, my God, you'll pay to be at a gala.

[2602] We could not be more opposite on this.

[2603] I know.

[2604] Getting dressed up, the parking, you know, you got to get a ride there.

[2605] You got to get dropped off.

[2606] A stranger drives you.

[2607] You're nervous the whole time.

[2608] Is this guy been drinking?

[2609] Is this gala still up from last night?

[2610] I have zero of that.

[2611] I mean, look, also because gals are for good causes.

[2612] So it's like an amazing excuse to wear my gala dress while contributing to a good cause.

[2613] Good gala have like concerts.

[2614] Like the Met Gala?

[2615] I mean, obviously that's the main one.

[2616] Is that the Apex Gala?

[2617] Yeah, 100%.

[2618] If in my lifetime I get invited to the Met Gala, I'll be so.

[2619] thrilled i'll die i'll go i will go and i'll pay wow i can't reiterate enough how much i'll pay oh wow will you if you go to the gala and like like danny ricardo ding ding ding ding yes he went to the mek gallery but he went solo like he couldn't bring anyone would you be okay going solo or would you be freaked for the mech gala i mean i wouldn't have a choice but i would be freaked i would prefer to go with a buddy.

[2620] But maybe by then I'll like, maybe I could be dating someone who would also be invited.

[2621] Right, right.

[2622] Just for that period of my life when I get invited.

[2623] Yeah, yeah, no. I'm not saying I want to marry that.

[2624] Will you pose on the carpet together?

[2625] Yeah.

[2626] Wow.

[2627] Okay, very serious.

[2628] Okay.

[2629] A real coming out.

[2630] Okay, so I guess I'm putting out a bunch of things.

[2631] It's like, who wants to date me, who wants to date me, who will?

[2632] would get invited to a Met Gala so that I can also go.

[2633] We could post together.

[2634] I'm offering that up.

[2635] Will you pay for that?

[2636] I'll pay.

[2637] I will pay.

[2638] Oh, man. There is a gala I have my eye on.

[2639] Oh, my gosh.

[2640] What is it?

[2641] You have your eye on a gala?

[2642] It's the Clooney Gala.

[2643] Oh, he throws a gala or his wife throws a gala.

[2644] Yeah, she has a. amazing, a justice -driven organization.

[2645] Because she's a lawyer?

[2646] Yeah, human rights.

[2647] She's amazing.

[2648] It's crazy.

[2649] Anyway, they host a gala, and it's a hot ticket, and I do want to go.

[2650] You know who went Zoe Deutsch, and she wore two, not just one, two bone cuffs.

[2651] Oh, double bone cuff, DBC?

[2652] Yes, the piece of jewelry that I've been coveting.

[2653] She were two.

[2654] I know.

[2655] Good for her.

[2656] I know.

[2657] We liked her.

[2658] She was so fun.

[2659] Loved her.

[2660] You didn't have any thoughts about the submarine people when you were seeing those double.

[2661] You didn't like wish her any bad luck or anything.

[2662] Ill will.

[2663] Ill will.

[2664] No, I didn't because you know why, and this isn't a brag.

[2665] It's going to sound like a brag, but it's not.

[2666] It's actually a diss to myself.

[2667] Okay.

[2668] I don't have that.

[2669] I've never had that.

[2670] I've never had looking at rich people and being like, ugh, they're so rich, and that's annoying to me. I grew up in a house where like, that'd be great.

[2671] Yeah, yeah.

[2672] That'd be great if you had that.

[2673] So I never, and that's, okay, that's, I guess, the hypocritical piece when I hear these things.

[2674] I'm like, you would, you.

[2675] Oh, every household wants to get rich.

[2676] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2677] Like, you want that money.

[2678] You want that.

[2679] So, and it's okay to want that.

[2680] That is the society we live in.

[2681] look, I mean, it's not great as is our whole show.

[2682] It like doesn't get you anything, really.

[2683] Yeah, it doesn't work.

[2684] But it is natural to want it.

[2685] And I think then it's just weird to kind of spend your life looking at those people and being like, ew, but also I want that.

[2686] It's just strange.

[2687] Yeah.

[2688] I'm going to add, I'm going to now circle back to Marta's Vineyard, which is we ran at a very nice house, you know, so we're definitely partaking in something that most people can't.

[2689] Yeah.

[2690] But I can tell you the funest part of the trip so far.

[2691] was the ferry ride.

[2692] The ferry ride is like $9.

[2693] It's America on the ferry.

[2694] We're sitting on the front deck of the ferry and lawn chairs.

[2695] It's fucking ocean air looking at boats, looking at all these little tiny islands, these beautiful houses.

[2696] We're pulling into a harbor.

[2697] Like that was an experience.

[2698] That was as good as it gets.

[2699] And we were with everybody.

[2700] A lot of things are true.

[2701] It's like, you know, the thing you can do is actually for me was the most fun thing we've done.

[2702] Yeah, for sure.

[2703] But did anyone feel seasick?

[2704] No, no. The ferry is like dead flat.

[2705] It doesn't respond.

[2706] Also, the water was very, very calm.

[2707] Oh, that's nice.

[2708] Oh, okay.

[2709] You mentioned Montau as part of that cluster.

[2710] And that reminds me that I, because there's a little Montauk piece in this, I saw a movie.

[2711] I went to the movie theater.

[2712] I haven't been in the movie theater in a long time.

[2713] Yeah.

[2714] Is this what you, I saw you post like a one sheet of a movie, but you didn't write anything.

[2715] Yeah, because I was too overwhelmed to write.

[2716] Okay.

[2717] So you saw that movie, I presume?

[2718] Yes, past lives.

[2719] The actors are Korean.

[2720] The two main actors are Korean, and it takes place in both Korea and New York.

[2721] But it is so good.

[2722] What's it called?

[2723] Past Lives.

[2724] Okay.

[2725] It's beautiful?

[2726] Oh, it is so beautiful and so heartbreaking.

[2727] Heartbreaking, but in the small ways.

[2728] It's just like life is heartbreaking, but beautiful and sweet and hopeful, but sad and complicated, but simple.

[2729] Yeah, it's, it's so good.

[2730] I saw it with jazz, and we were just crying the whole time.

[2731] Oh, that's wonderful.

[2732] Yeah.

[2733] Yeah.

[2734] We, like, stumbled out and just looked at each other.

[2735] I was like, oh, my God.

[2736] But it's small.

[2737] They're not blowing up any buildings.

[2738] No, no, no. It's slow.

[2739] Like, the pacing is very slow, but, ooh, it'll get you.

[2740] High recommend.

[2741] Okay.

[2742] I'm going to see you.

[2743] Okay.

[2744] You should see it.

[2745] Go see it.

[2746] Go see it right now.

[2747] E -banks.

[2748] I'll be back in one second.

[2749] I'm going to go see it.

[2750] Okay.

[2751] So, oh, I didn't even finish what I was going to say.

[2752] Often in India, the, a T as a T. Like Germany.

[2753] I don't know enough about it.

[2754] German.

[2755] Neanderthal instead of Neanderthal.

[2756] Correct.

[2757] Yes.

[2758] Marta's Vineyard.

[2759] That's why they would call it Marta's Vineyard.

[2760] The T .H. doesn't mean anything to them.

[2761] That's what they call it.

[2762] The Germans, that's where I'm getting it.

[2763] Remember?

[2764] Because when I was here, I was working for the German company, Opel.

[2765] And they would always say to me. I was not understanding why.

[2766] I decided you just got to be in your bonnet about Marta Z vineyard.

[2767] Then no one else did either.

[2768] If you don't know that, then no one else did.

[2769] So yes, when I was 23, I did a car show when I worked for GM in the division of GM.

[2770] Germany is Opal.

[2771] They had a new minivan.

[2772] They launched it.

[2773] And there were 20 minivans.

[2774] Journalists would fly in New York City.

[2775] They'd get in the 20 minivans.

[2776] We'd all drive to the Berkshers.

[2777] They'd spend the night at the Red Line.

[2778] Then they'd get up and they'd drive to the ferry and they'd go to Marta's Vineyard.

[2779] And then a new group of journalists would fly in.

[2780] And then they would drive automata and then repeat it back to New York.

[2781] And this went on for three weeks every three days.

[2782] We were back and forth.

[2783] I was working like 18 hours a day.

[2784] Me, Aaron, all my friends from childhood.

[2785] And because the German client was who we were always interfacing with, they would say, Dax, what times do you think Zafari arrives at Marta's Vineyard for dinner?

[2786] Oh, wow.

[2787] Yeah, that's why I call it Marta's Vineyard.

[2788] Oh, I see.

[2789] Okay, that needed clarification.

[2790] I'm glad you gave it.

[2791] I should have done it an hour ago, but here we are.

[2792] And you did it last episode.

[2793] You've been doing it for a bit.

[2794] They pronounce the tea, yeah.

[2795] All to say, they pronounce the tea.

[2796] Yeah.

[2797] Okay.

[2798] Is it Pokemon or Pokemon?

[2799] Mm. It's Pokemon.

[2800] Pokemon.

[2801] Is Margo Martindale 70?

[2802] She's 71.

[2803] Oh my goodness.

[2804] I know.

[2805] She's still a fountain of energy.

[2806] I know.

[2807] I hope I can be that cool.

[2808] She kind of carries that whole movie.

[2809] I mean, that's it's kind of her movie.

[2810] Okay.

[2811] Okay.

[2812] We talk about the strike at the beginning of this.

[2813] This episode is so funny, because how do I say?

[2814] I mean, we have so many people that are good adversaries for you.

[2815] Interesting.

[2816] Oh, were the adversaries.

[2817] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[2818] Liz being one of them for sure.

[2819] Huge.

[2820] And she and I, as we've known each other over the years, like, I don't know what it's been now, 14 years.

[2821] We love to debate each other.

[2822] Yes, that's the vibe.

[2823] And so, yeah, it has that energy and right out the gates.

[2824] It's like there's a debate about.

[2825] the strike and so it's just funny i will say and it's i think it's not inappropriate it's an appropriate version but um like they're fun they're almost flirty combative relationships you have does that make sense yeah yeah yeah and i feel like that's what the version of liz and i have is it's a little bit it's not like we're angry at each other or under each other's skin i think we just that's how we have fun interacting with one another totally yeah And because there's a mutual respect, so I think that leads to fun debate.

[2826] Yes.

[2827] But I did, because we mentioned mini rooms.

[2828] And I don't know that people know about mini rooms.

[2829] I hardly do.

[2830] Yeah.

[2831] So mini rooms are like a newer thing that studios have kind of put into place often where it's not a full writer's room.

[2832] So they like hire writers.

[2833] for a short amount of time.

[2834] And often it's before the thing's even greenlit.

[2835] Right.

[2836] And then they don't really get paid much at all because it's like not done yet or it's not.

[2837] So it just sucks for all these riders.

[2838] Like they're just going in and doing this like small job for not that much money.

[2839] Maybe it doesn't lead to a thing.

[2840] Anyway, that's just part of the strike.

[2841] Right.

[2842] Yeah, one of the issues.

[2843] Yeah.

[2844] As opposed to just paying for a full rider's room.

[2845] I do get fearful people think I'm against the Writers Guild, and I'm not.

[2846] I'm super supportive of it.

[2847] But I've been vocal about just raising these questions that are seemingly hard to answer.

[2848] Yeah, or are hard compromise to find between these two parties.

[2849] Like, I'm just curious.

[2850] I want to flesh out all the different issues.

[2851] Like, I want to really debate them and find out why, you know, these ones are good.

[2852] But I would hate for someone to think that I'm not fully.

[2853] in support of the WGA strike i am yeah yeah same yeah i want it to be over i mean we're not going to have any shows and that's what people are not recognizing us we're going to have a big old drought speaking of which righteous gemstones i just got to do a one second ad for it it's i can't believe the third season is it's maybe the best already like it's getting better if i could pick one adjective to describe it it's fucking madness It's become complete madness, but it's so funny and just so over the top.

[2854] And God, is it a great show?

[2855] Just loving that it's back.

[2856] You're going to be sad when it's over.

[2857] I have to, I have to get back on it.

[2858] All right.

[2859] So you said that AI, you gave some percentages on AI being able to identify or diagnose certain tumors over humans.

[2860] You said humans can do 61 % and AI can do 94.

[2861] Yeah, those are wrong.

[2862] I think that AI does 70 and the humans do 40 or something.

[2863] I actually can't find a percentage.

[2864] Well, the problem is, is you've got to go per condition, right?

[2865] Like, I just happen to be reading about it in our guest.

[2866] It was in the research of that episode.

[2867] And there are specific tumors which are very hard to identify on an MRI and that the AI can do very well.

[2868] But yeah.

[2869] Yeah, there are a lot of articles, especially more recently, about AI being able to, identified tumors.

[2870] From what I can read so far, it's all just saying, some are saying better.

[2871] Well, I'm not seeing any percentages, but Lee, I'm sure Lee and Nathan have them.

[2872] I just don't know.

[2873] Right.

[2874] They're hard to find.

[2875] Yeah.

[2876] But like breast cancer, lung cancer.

[2877] It says, like, promising new AI can detect early signs of lung cancers that doctors can't see.

[2878] Yeah, breast cancer imaging.

[2879] Minimally, I think a statement I could say without the percentages is there's a big delta between what the humans and the AI can do, and the AI is better at it, which is, you know, relevant.

[2880] I think depending on the cancer so far, but also it's early days.

[2881] So I imagine it's only going to get more and more and more.

[2882] Right.

[2883] Yes, of course.

[2884] Because it just gets better at everything it does all the time.

[2885] Every time it does it, it gets better.

[2886] Yeah.

[2887] Okay, we explain Empire, the game.

[2888] Uh -huh.

[2889] And I don't know that, because we all got really rowdy when we were, talking about it.

[2890] I don't know if we did a great job of explaining it, but that's okay.

[2891] Look it up.

[2892] It's such a fun game.

[2893] We just played it.

[2894] We did it.

[2895] It's a blast.

[2896] And it's easy.

[2897] It's super easy.

[2898] It might be the easiest game to sit down and play.

[2899] So play empire, guys.

[2900] Yeah.

[2901] Play games.

[2902] Play games with your friends.

[2903] Play more games.

[2904] That's the takeaway.

[2905] That's it.

[2906] That was everything.

[2907] Yeah.

[2908] Well, I love you.

[2909] And, um, I hope you find your way to a gala.

[2910] Thank you.

[2911] All right.

[2912] Well, have so much fun at Marta's Vineyard.

[2913] Thank you.

[2914] And you have fun in Los Angeles.

[2915] And I will check in in a few days with you.

[2916] Okay.

[2917] Can't wait.

[2918] Bye.

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