Gwen Stefani

[0] Ooh.

[1] Oh, my.

[2] Boo.

[3] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[4] Boo.

[5] Happy Halloween.

[6] What a disaster.

[7] Happy Halloween.

[8] We're going to go on a hayride later.

[9] Oh, yes.

[10] We're going to hay ride tonight.

[11] We're going to have a hay ride tonight.

[12] It's all right.

[13] Trick or treat.

[14] Oh, well.

[15] Today, having nothing really to do with Halloween, I don't want anyone to think we think that she's scary.

[16] No, she's not.

[17] No, Gwen Stefani.

[18] Very safe, very not scary.

[19] So fun.

[20] Oh, it was just a real pop -out.

[21] That's how I can tie it to Halloween.

[22] Gwen was a pop -out.

[23] Yeah.

[24] Just a party.

[25] I don't feel like I've heard much long -form stuff from her, so it was really cool to get to chat with her for that long.

[26] I agree.

[27] I've been around her socially, and then I've seen short interviews with her.

[28] And then this was a whole new side of Gwen that I got to see with you.

[29] It was so fun.

[30] I really enjoyed it.

[31] She, of course, is an award -winning singer.

[32] a songwriter and an entrepreneur.

[33] She currently has out a very bold, very exciting, very individual beauty line called give, spelt, very confusing, G -X -V -E, give.

[34] So please adorn your face and give and enjoy Gwen Stefani.

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[38] Hello, welcome.

[39] I was listening this morning to the Scarlet Joe Hanson one, and that was a good one.

[40] Star Jail?

[41] Yeah, she's funny, smart, and cute.

[42] She sure is.

[43] Was that the first episode you've heard?

[44] Yes.

[45] I'm late, I guess.

[46] No, you're right on time.

[47] You're a hit.

[48] People are podcast people or they're not?

[49] Honestly, I feel like I'm just becoming one.

[50] I'm dyslexic, so I don't, like, read.

[51] So, so then I started getting into, like, audio books.

[52] Trying to get smart.

[53] Yeah.

[54] I haven't really listened to a lot of podcasts, but I guess it's the next.

[55] It's your entree in.

[56] Okay.

[57] No much juicy stuff just happened?

[58] Dislexia.

[59] It's smart.

[60] It was so true.

[61] I got a little sweat barrier.

[62] Yeah, good.

[63] First of all, welcome.

[64] Secondly, I don't know why.

[65] We've been doing this for four years.

[66] First three years, no problem with the leather.

[67] Four years you've been doing this?

[68] Yeah, yeah.

[69] 500 episodes.

[70] Scarlet was 500.

[71] That's right.

[72] That's fucking crazy.

[73] Never sweat.

[74] Like, this leatherness wasn't an issue.

[75] But the last six months, I can't sit in this chair without my back getting wet.

[76] Oh.

[77] So as you can see, I've employed a little makeshift barrier today.

[78] Okay, got it.

[79] See how it goes.

[80] Okay, so dyslexic.

[81] I agree.

[82] What's weird to me about your dyslexies, you got diagnosed like two years ago, like officially?

[83] You know about it?

[84] A research.

[85] Oh, my job is to learn about you.

[86] I was like, what?

[87] Oh, my God, it's so private.

[88] This is already a disaster.

[89] Just a real -time update, it's not going well with the barrier.

[90] Okay.

[91] It's all wadded.

[92] I think you need to get one of those like, I don't know, those like kind of sheepskin things you put in cars.

[93] Cabby's best friend.

[94] That cab drivers in New York used to have.

[95] Yeah.

[96] Back in the day, there was a whole art form to cabs.

[97] That's been lost with Uber.

[98] Remember the ones that were like the beads?

[99] I never could understand the beads.

[100] Oh, like hanging?

[101] No, they were like the seat things made out of like wooden beads.

[102] It didn't seem comfortable to me. And they're called Cabby's best friend.

[103] To make them sweat?

[104] I guess it must increase circulation.

[105] They're sitting all day long.

[106] We now know this is dangerous to sit all day long, right?

[107] You're supposed to get up in.

[108] Yeah, strokes.

[109] Strokes are imminent.

[110] But also beads.

[111] I thought you were more talking about the decorative beads that occasionally.

[112] No, they were the seeds.

[113] Oh, that's the cabbie's best friend.

[114] We're on the same page with that.

[115] I was like, I don't know.

[116] She probably is too young.

[117] I missed out on the beads.

[118] I didn't spend much time in cabs, unfortunately.

[119] But how did you get a diagnosis?

[120] I haven't really gotten diagnosed.

[121] It's more like a self -diagnosed, but I've done so much research on it now.

[122] In fact, I just read a book, audio book, called Learning Outside the Lines, I think.

[123] And there was another one that I read called I'm dyslexic, so I can't remember.

[124] I'm not kidding.

[125] You're like, I'm dyslexic.

[126] I don't know how to put on shoes.

[127] I'm dyslexic and I can't drive.

[128] I do.

[129] I do it for everything.

[130] And it's actually real.

[131] But I did read this one and it was the dyslexic advantage.

[132] And it was talking about the different types.

[133] And I was like, ooh, what am I?

[134] And I feel like I'm more like the dot to dot.

[135] And my gift comes from being able to sort of like, if you say one thing, I'll figure out how it connects to something else and how it connects to.

[136] And that's how I do everything.

[137] And I didn't even know it until I read that.

[138] So wait, there's different variety.

[139] of dyslexia?

[140] Yeah.

[141] The book was really cool because it talks about all of the benefits and the gifts that come with it.

[142] And then, of course, it's super frustrating and it doesn't go in.

[143] My biggest issue when I read is I start at the beginning and then I skip and skip and skip and then I'm at the bottom and I'm like, shit!

[144] Now I have to go back so it takes me so much time and then I get distracted.

[145] Do you skip or do you do what I do?

[146] Oh, skim, you say.

[147] I skip and skim.

[148] A mixture of skipping skimming.

[149] But what happens to me is...

[150] Why are we talking about this?

[151] Because I talk, I had nauseam about my dyslexia, so this is my favorite topic.

[152] So I'm not skipping or skimming.

[153] I'm reading, right?

[154] But I'm getting to that next paragraph and I'm like, I didn't get one item out of that.

[155] My eyes moved across the letters in a predictable pattern and I looked at all the letters.

[156] Is it because you're starting to think about other things like drift or you're reading it, but then it's just not sticking?

[157] The way I would explain it is, there is one thing of just looking at the word and seeing it and going, that's a though.

[158] Then there's a second layer that requires another gear for me to then internalize what all those symbols meant.

[159] Right.

[160] If that makes sense.

[161] Like I could be reading out loud to you and I could be pronouncing the words and stuff.

[162] But then there's this other version of me reading, which is actually like staring intently at each word for an extended period of time to really know what I'm taking in.

[163] processing.

[164] So when somebody's talking to me or I'm reading something, the processing time is way longer.

[165] And so like I'll be way back over on a word that you said before and like have this whole world around it.

[166] And then I'm like, oh wait, go back.

[167] What did you say?

[168] And it makes me feel silly.

[169] But it is who I am.

[170] And obviously I got where I'm at.

[171] So I'm okay.

[172] You're doing fine.

[173] Yeah.

[174] No, I think I discovered it in about third grade.

[175] I can remember looking around at the classroom and everyone knew what was going on but me we're like reading james and the giant peach and i'm like i'm sinking and i'm just going to pretend like i know and i sort of faked my way through school or how about when the teacher's on the blackboard right and all the info that everyone's supposed to receive today is happening on that chalkboard and so it's all being revealed and i'm like what is all that up there i haven't gotten anything out of this no i would be in a world of just doodles.

[176] I would have these dreams about like, world of doodles.

[177] That should be your new autobiography.

[178] World of doodles.

[179] But I would.

[180] And I had a lot of creative visions about what I would be wearing or what I wanted to be like or how I was going to sign my signature.

[181] Like, I mean, it was like, you're encumbered by learning.

[182] You had a free time to fantasize and create a world.

[183] Yeah, but it was hard.

[184] And so I didn't really know.

[185] But then when my brother was like four years younger, And then that's when they were like, okay, he's dyslexic.

[186] So then he was going to different classes and stuff like that.

[187] And he would be mad.

[188] I'm even talking about it because he doesn't like talking about it.

[189] But then...

[190] But is this the artist brother, Eric?

[191] No, it's my baby brother.

[192] Your baby brother.

[193] Oh, right.

[194] He's kind of an artist, too.

[195] Yeah.

[196] Okay, right.

[197] So I'm of the exact age it started.

[198] So I was funneled out of fourth grade maybe and put into special ad.

[199] I haven't had an in -depth conversation publicly about it.

[200] people know it and to the point where like if I would tweet something and they'd be like I'm like I you spelled it wrong and I'm like of course I did you know what I can't spell no I'll never be able to who needs spelling anyway we have spell check but go ahead so you were saying that you were the one I was like the guinea pig they sent me to the learning disabled room with the other disabled kids they were trying some techniques I don't know that they really knew what they were doing I'd feed these cards into a machine there'd be a little outline of a cat on it and it'd say cat I'd put it in this machine and to go cat and and then I just sit there with a stack of these little things and slide them through the machine for a couple hours.

[201] I don't know if that worked, but I was going to ask you do you have a superpower because I know what mine is from the dyslexia thing, which is I have a crazy auditory memory.

[202] Like if you tell me a story, well, you'll tell me a story today.

[203] It's inevitable.

[204] I'll bump into you in four or five years and I'll pretty much remember that story because I think because the only info you and I got was verbal.

[205] I think that my memory is really bad.

[206] I erase what's happening as it's happening.

[207] in my brain.

[208] So there's that.

[209] So I think that's actually a gift because it made me just keep going forward.

[210] You know what I mean?

[211] But then at the same time, I can remember if someone shows me a picture of me and I'll be like, oh yeah, I know that outfit.

[212] I know exactly what my makeup was.

[213] I know who was there.

[214] I know by my interests, like if I'm interested in the makeup or the hair or the look, I can remember an outfit or something like that, which is weird.

[215] And, of course, I can remember all my lyrics on stage.

[216] Yeah.

[217] But if I do a cover, that's a problem.

[218] Oh, interesting.

[219] Yeah.

[220] It takes me so long to learn a cover.

[221] Yet, if I write it, same with melody.

[222] If I'm working with a songwriter and they came up with the melody, it will take me forever to learn the melody.

[223] So it's slow being me. Yeah, it's not.

[224] But I also think that my other gift that I think I have is being able to problem solve, like see worlds of things in this dot -to -dot thing I was talking about.

[225] So that I think I'm good at.

[226] Then how do you do when you were acting, learning dialogue?

[227] Horrible.

[228] I only acted for like, I had three lines and I almost died.

[229] And it was like Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio.

[230] And I was like, oh, my God.

[231] Was it Wolf of Wall Street?

[232] No, Aviator.

[233] Yeah.

[234] It was Gene Harlow.

[235] And the anxiety of just sitting there, I had the three lines taped all over my mirror.

[236] And I was just like, oh, we're going to do this.

[237] Three lines is often harder than 40 lines.

[238] Yeah.

[239] And I really did want to do that and I had tried out for a lot of different things and I went through the process and I think that I could have gotten there once you memorize it then I could do anything you wanted me to do but the memorization would take so long that it was like wasn't really worth my life to do this so I bet if you wrote the dialogue you were going to say that you would have it like that because the things I've acted in that I wrote I literally wrote them months before and I didn't even need to look at it on the day so you the point of your own lyrics, your own melodies.

[240] Yeah.

[241] If you create them, they're kind of...

[242] In you.

[243] Yes.

[244] Okay, so now my immediate next question is, what the fuck do you do on the voice?

[245] Because don't you have to read cue cards and teleprompters?

[246] This is my nightmare, teleprompters.

[247] Yeah, teleprompters or speeches.

[248] I got like a D in speech in college.

[249] And people would be like, oh, but you're so this and that.

[250] You could it be in front of people?

[251] But it's like it's different because when you read, it's intimidating for me. And I think it's more because of the process.

[252] because I don't have any time to be like, okay, I'm going to ad -lib in between here.

[253] But I got way better at it.

[254] On the voice.

[255] Yeah, I have faith in God, right?

[256] God is my God.

[257] Well, it's a lot of interviews with you.

[258] God comes up in every one.

[259] God is your God.

[260] I like this guy.

[261] Can I be honest about that really quick?

[262] Sidebar.

[263] I was going reverse chronology.

[264] So I was reading newer interviews with you.

[265] And then I was going back in time and reading older ones.

[266] And I have to say, the cynic of me, I saw God a bunch.

[267] And I was like, does this have something to do?

[268] with who she's married to, like he's a countryman, who's in church every day, and she got super into God through him.

[269] And then I went back in time, no, no, no, God's been on the front burner the whole time.

[270] He has.

[271] It's crazy because I feel blessed about that.

[272] But it's definitely one of those things where I remember I had gone through a really hard phase in my life, a horrible time in my life.

[273] And I had just given birth to Apollo.

[274] And Farrell had asked me to present an award or something.

[275] And, of course, I had to because he's my homie.

[276] Yeah.

[277] I know him my life.

[278] And so I just said to myself in my prayer, I was like, you're done with this girl.

[279] That girl's gone.

[280] We are going to the next level.

[281] And it was almost like a mind game, like a Jedi mind trick that I had on myself.

[282] And it was also really weird because after you have a baby, it's almost like you have to transform back into your old self, but you're not your old self.

[283] And it was my third one.

[284] I was 44.

[285] It was my first time getting made up and going to this thing.

[286] So I vividly remember just being like, I don't even care.

[287] And this was one of those stages.

[288] I was up high.

[289] This teleprompter was like so far away.

[290] It was a big teleprompter, but like literally across the entire room.

[291] And I did it.

[292] And I don't know.

[293] It was one of those longer ones, lifetime achievement.

[294] Oh, God.

[295] Yeah.

[296] And I was like, and I did it.

[297] And I did it again.

[298] I presented one of those awards to one of my idols, Julie Andrews not long ago.

[299] So much anxiety to do it.

[300] Had to do it, of course.

[301] And it turned out great.

[302] So now I'm just like, whatever, I own it.

[303] I love that.

[304] Yeah.

[305] I can read.

[306] Of course I can read.

[307] Reading in public and reading at home is much different.

[308] Reading in front of a camera in front of something televised is a much different stress chamber than you in bed reading.

[309] Me reading to my sons, I wonder if you do this ever.

[310] I'll read them and I'll be all animated and it will be amazing.

[311] And meanwhile, I've designed a dress like or, you know what I mean?

[312] I haven't even paid one attention to what the story is.

[313] I have no idea what I just read because I was thinking about something else.

[314] My new insecurity is they now read well enough.

[315] Oh.

[316] And I'm botching every, like, eighth or ninth word when I read, which was never an issue when they were two and four.

[317] But now I'm getting some words wrong.

[318] And then I notice I get it wrong.

[319] And then I'm like, God, they're looking right over my shoulder.

[320] Like, are they, did they not pick that up?

[321] Are they going to bust me?

[322] Do they just feel bad for dad?

[323] And they're letting it roll.

[324] My 16 -year -old will be like, Mom, let me just, you know.

[325] Take over.

[326] So the thing that I thought was cool is I was reading that Malcolm Gladwell book, David and Goliath, and it said what was known forever, and when I grew up knowing, was that dyslexics had two times the rate of ending up in prison.

[327] Well, that's funny.

[328] I read this book.

[329] I think it was reading outside the lines about these two guys that had separate lives.

[330] One was ADHD and one was dyslexic.

[331] and how their lives were derailed by their situation.

[332] It was really sad.

[333] You know, they got into drugs, all these things.

[334] But then they ended up at school, Yale, or something crazy like that.

[335] And they made this book to teach people that have these disorders, gifts, whatever you want to call them, how to live in this world that we're not really part of, right?

[336] And how do you go to college and how do you manipulate the system?

[337] And so this is what the book was.

[338] It was actually so cool because they were so punk rock the way they were.

[339] They talked about their lives and, like, it doesn't matter.

[340] It's awesome.

[341] You feel like an outsider.

[342] I identify with being an outsider.

[343] And it's just one more outsider -y thing.

[344] Yeah.

[345] But in the Mountain Gladwell book, it said that data was known for decades, the twice as likely to go to prison.

[346] But now they know twice as likely to be a CEO.

[347] Well, that's so crazy.

[348] All the time, I'll be like, yeah, and Walt Disney and.

[349] Oh, like, name all these geniuses.

[350] I know.

[351] Dislexic geniuses.

[352] No, I'm kind of jealous.

[353] Yeah.

[354] I could see you or would be.

[355] Well, that's what's funny that you would say that.

[356] I really.

[357] Oh, yeah.

[358] That one doesn't come with any gifts, unfortunately.

[359] I know.

[360] It's fun, though.

[361] It is funny and frustrating, but I think that I would never change it.

[362] You wouldn't be here.

[363] No, I mean, honestly, my life was really hard as a child because of that, but I had a really good childhood and I had amazing family.

[364] But when I first wrote my first song is when I was like, okay, wait a minute, nobody told me I could do this.

[365] And it was suddenly I had my identity and I felt like I had a reason.

[366] to live and be part of culture and participate.

[367] Gwen, I've been a professional writer for 20 years.

[368] The notion that I became a writer not only cracks me up, but fills me with the most amount of pride I could have.

[369] I wasn't supposed to do this.

[370] Well, top this one.

[371] Oh, hit me. I taught the whole world how to spell bananas.

[372] You sure did.

[373] I think that's God's funny, Joe.

[374] Wow, that is funny.

[375] Isn't that funny?

[376] How would you spell it?

[377] Well, let me think.

[378] Get into the lyric before it.

[379] B -N -A -N -A -S.

[380] That's right.

[381] Oh, B, A, N -A -N -A -S.

[382] Yeah.

[383] If I put it to a rhyme like that.

[384] That's how we all know it.

[385] No, that's really cool.

[386] And it's been super fascinating just in this short time talking to you about it.

[387] I could talk about it all day long.

[388] Well, you now go out for tea and we'll go somewhere with a very simple menu and then we'll discuss it.

[389] But you're stupid.

[390] Oh, oh, wait.

[391] I was like, what do you mean?

[392] Do you have a small palette?

[393] But now I see about reading the menu.

[394] Very simple description.

[395] Nothing flowery.

[396] I don't need you to walk me through the origin of this tea.

[397] leave.

[398] Just tell me it's black or green, whatever.

[399] Okay.

[400] The most important thing we're going to talk about today for me is that your fucking father, Dennis?

[401] When you say the F word with my dad's name, I feel like I'm in trouble.

[402] Oh, yeah.

[403] Is it Dennis?

[404] Dennis, yeah.

[405] Dennis was a gosh damn Yamaha marketing executive.

[406] Oh, no. What?

[407] Do you know how into motorcycles and Yamaha's I am?

[408] No, I didn't know that.

[409] Did you have Titty's dirt bikes all over your property at all time?

[410] No. No, he worked in the marketing thing or whatever.

[411] I know these guys.

[412] I'm friends with many of them.

[413] That's how I got super into Japanese culture.

[414] Oh, really?

[415] Yeah, because my dad used to go to Japan every year.

[416] And remember, back in those days, we didn't have the Internet.

[417] So it was like, if you wanted to see Japanese culture, you do the library and get an encyclopedia, right?

[418] You didn't have good cable.

[419] No. You're like two years older than me or something, and that came on the scene late in life.

[420] You watched Family Ties and Sesame Street.

[421] Brainmakers on a 60s.

[422] For me, I was like, wow, so interested in he would bring home treasures, Japanese things that you just didn't have here.

[423] It was just so different.

[424] Well, he was high up if they were sending him to Tokyo.

[425] You know what my dad did do?

[426] He worked on the wave runner.

[427] And the Riva.

[428] Oh, the scooter.

[429] Yeah, 50cc.

[430] Very dependable to compete with the Honda Spray.

[431] That was the competitive vehicle to the Honda Spray.

[432] Oh, my God.

[433] He would freak out.

[434] Oh, you had a Spray, though.

[435] I had a Honda Spray.

[436] Very, very, very good machine.

[437] But hey, the Riva was a nice unit as well.

[438] They're all good.

[439] That is so nerdy.

[440] Okay, your dad, he's an Italian stallion as well.

[441] Yeah.

[442] Dennis Stefani.

[443] He was born in Michigan, Detroit.

[444] Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Is that like, things are imploding.

[445] What happened?

[446] I'm from Detroit, Michigan.

[447] Eight mile.

[448] Yeah.

[449] Oh, no shit.

[450] Oh, my Lord.

[451] Why aren't we hanging, Dennis?

[452] Oh, my God.

[453] That's so funny.

[454] He and I could talk about the Riva.

[455] I'm sure he had something to do with the VMAX, the international release of that scooter.

[456] I can't wait to tell him this.

[457] He's going to listen to this.

[458] He's going to be really excited.

[459] Did your brothers, though, have access to Sweet?

[460] No. They just were really conservative.

[461] One time he brought home one of those little miniature dirt bikes that were the tiny, tiny ones.

[462] PW50.

[463] Yeah.

[464] And we got to ride that at the school park.

[465] Once in a while, he would bring home like a motorcycle and like we would just drive around the neighborhood or whatever.

[466] But it was kind of rare.

[467] I love this guy.

[468] He's from Detroit.

[469] He ended up working at Yamaha.

[470] He's going to Japan.

[471] This guy is an American hero.

[472] Japanese culture is such a part of your brand.

[473] For me, culture has just always been whatever.

[474] Now that you know my dyslexia situation, it's a dot -to -dot thing.

[475] So if I was in the mall, let's say, and I was working at the mall as a makeup artist back in the day when I was a kid.

[476] And in Anaheim, we had different cultures, but it was a lot of Hispanic culture, Asian culture.

[477] Run -of -the -mill honkies from Detroit.

[478] Yeah.

[479] Yeah, yeah.

[480] But rarely would you see Indian girls come through.

[481] But when they would come through there and they would be wearing their saris, I would lose my mind.

[482] Really?

[483] Yeah, because I was like, I never saw that before.

[484] And then when I met Tony Canal, which is the bass player, no doubt, he's Indian.

[485] And I didn't know what he was.

[486] And I was like 17, 16.

[487] No, this is common.

[488] There wasn't a big community in Anaheim.

[489] And I never went anywhere outside of Anaheim, not even L .A. So I remember going to his house and there was little elephants everywhere.

[490] And I was like, what is that?

[491] And then that's how I got introduced to that culture from age 17 for like seven years.

[492] His mom would come down the stairs with her red lipstick adorned with all this sparkle.

[493] And the opposite of my mom, you know what I mean?

[494] So that I got really inspired by his culture as well.

[495] And even just Amazon culture.

[496] Well, what I think you love is aesthetic, right?

[497] So every time you're seeing a new aesthetic, it's not unlike when you discover for other people Russian literature.

[498] or anything exotic and exciting, visually, novel, it's stimulating.

[499] I'm obsessed with culture when it comes to the similarities and how similar we are.

[500] You know, after writing Don't Speak and going to, like, Israel and guys with machine guns looking in our van.

[501] And I'd never seen that before.

[502] And then the guy sees me and goes, don't speak.

[503] And he starts singing his own.

[504] I was like, what?

[505] Like, we are all connected.

[506] Also ironic that a guy with a machine gun said, don't speak.

[507] Because they might just say that anyways.

[508] Maybe he was about to say it anyways and realized, oh, fuck, I can sing this.

[509] Yeah, well, the thing is, you're probably right.

[510] Oh, God.

[511] That's scary.

[512] No, I'm just saying I'm very visual, so I'm very inspired by our differences and our similarities, and I love to blend it all that.

[513] We also grew up in a very vibrant time, right?

[514] The 80s is very daglo -orange and all these weird new colors and all of the movies we were watching.

[515] Did you love Valley Girl?

[516] Is that a movie of yours?

[517] I don't know if I really watched Valley Girl.

[518] Standout performance by Nicholas Cage in his youth.

[519] the best soundtrack of all time.

[520] All New Wave.

[521] You know those soundtrack?

[522] Well, that was the thing.

[523] Everything was booming at that time.

[524] Everybody was happy.

[525] They were at the mall.

[526] They were flirting.

[527] R -I -P.

[528] Happiness.

[529] Every song was about being heartbroken in love.

[530] Or at least I was super into New Wave.

[531] I was so into New Wave.

[532] Who are your bands?

[533] You listen to K -Rock, right?

[534] Because you were in Detroit.

[535] But did they have K -Rock?

[536] No, no. So, because K -Rock was world -famous and sort of like, you know.

[537] It made its way to Anaheim even.

[538] But even like the first time, I ever heard Prince was on K. Rock, which is weird because Little Red Corvette was played for the first time on K. Rock.

[539] First time, No Doubt was on K. Rock.

[540] Oh, cool.

[541] God bless K. Rock.

[542] We tip our hat to you, K. Rock.

[543] It is funny because K. Rock actually did say the programmer said it would take an act of God to play, no doubt, on K. Rock.

[544] And we all know that I truly have a relationship with that guy.

[545] So he hooked this up.

[546] Since you did, like, blending all these cultures, how do you feel about this current place we're in?

[547] I think it's interesting that things have just changed.

[548] so fast before my eyes.

[549] You know, just the way people see things is completely different.

[550] And for me, the biggest gift that I've ever been given is to be able to travel the world and to be able to see with my own eyes, like what cultures do.

[551] And it was just a sneak peek because I was in and out.

[552] But it didn't matter because I actually was the fabric of, I don't know, of pop culture for a long time in the sense that it didn't matter where I went.

[553] Somebody knew who I was.

[554] So I feel like I was able to have a really.

[555] good view of all the things we just talked about.

[556] We're all inspired by each other and we're all lifting each other up and we're all each other's heroes.

[557] So what's wrong with taking somebody else's greatness and incorporated into your greatness and then sharing it with other people?

[558] I think that when I was working with the Harajuku girls, for example, and how that came about was, you know, from my childhood, but when I had finally gone to Japan, it was in the 90s.

[559] I had heard so many stories about Harajuku from my dad and like the Elvis's and just the way girls dressed and I finally was there.

[560] I couldn't believe I was there.

[561] I'm connected to this.

[562] I'd waited my whole life.

[563] And so the style, for me, it was just so cool how Japanese culture is so traditional, yet so futuristic at the same time.

[564] And then they were also so attention to detail and so artistic.

[565] Yeah.

[566] And so I was just very drawn to that and also so disciplined.

[567] Everything about the culture was just so fascinating to me and so different.

[568] When I was doing my first solo record, the first song that I wrote.

[569] I went in, I'd never written outside of No Doubt.

[570] I was quite insecure about doing it.

[571] I also was going to work with a woman, Linda Perry, and she was like outrageous.

[572] And she had just done that beautiful song for Christina.

[573] So she was like the writer to write with at the moment.

[574] I went in the room and I was telling her how insecure I am.

[575] And I just don't know if I can right.

[576] I suck and all the stuff that I do.

[577] And then she says, what's you waiting for?

[578] Like, bitch, get your shit together.

[579] Let's go.

[580] And then I was like, look at it.

[581] He's like a moving car.

[582] A scary conversation.

[583] I wrote what you're waiting for like instantly.

[584] And one of the lines and the song is, I can't wait to go back and do Japan, get myself some brand new fans, Osaka, Tokyo, those Harris, Yuka girls.

[585] Damn, you got the wicked style.

[586] That was it.

[587] That was the line.

[588] It was telling them then I'm a huge fan of them.

[589] Yeah.

[590] And that I can't wait to go back there.

[591] If I do this record, maybe I'll get to go.

[592] Exactly.

[593] And that's the start of the entire solo period, the whole chapter.

[594] So then I was like sitting there with Linda.

[595] I was like, I know what I'm going to do because I was always in no doubt.

[596] So I never got to do shit that I wanted to do as a girl.

[597] We didn't have dancers.

[598] We were punk.

[599] Yeah.

[600] You know what I mean?

[601] We didn't get costume changes.

[602] All that creative stuff that I didn't know even was in me. Growing up in a band, you see all these like pop bands having these dance.

[603] And you're kind of like, it's cheesy.

[604] But it's kind of amazing, too.

[605] So I was like, I'm going to get my own posse.

[606] And they're going to be Japanese, Harajou girls.

[607] We're going to go everywhere.

[608] And we're going to be like, these are my homies.

[609] I just had this creative idea.

[610] And that's how it was born.

[611] And then everybody twisted into whatever they wanted it to be.

[612] Totally.

[613] There's that.

[614] Well, you also have to remember, you're hearing the voice of 0 .001 % of the world.

[615] 99 .9 % just enjoyed everything.

[616] Well, the Harajuku girls sure enjoyed it.

[617] Oh, there you go.

[618] And I loved, no doubt.

[619] Oh, my God.

[620] Like, I was super young.

[621] And I think it was good.

[622] There was no representation of Indian people or Indian culture that wasn't the Simpsons.

[623] Exactly.

[624] It's cool for a cool band to be incorporating some of these different cultures.

[625] And you could be like, well, that's mine.

[626] There weren't any Indian pop stars in America.

[627] Yes, exactly.

[628] So you were bringing some of that.

[629] Instead of it being done in a comedic effect, it was done for a style icony, cool.

[630] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[631] The bass player was Indian.

[632] And by the way, that entire album was written because he broke my heart.

[633] You know what I'm saying?

[634] So like, everybody knew.

[635] Don't ever date an issue.

[636] Everybody knew.

[637] We learned one thing.

[638] Everybody knew the story behind that.

[639] So all of that part, the Bindi, his mom gave me that.

[640] She went to India and gave me that.

[641] So there's a story behind everything and a reason.

[642] And I would say all of it was just purely innocent admiration and being a fan.

[643] And also, I lived with my parents.

[644] I was like 26 years old because of my situation.

[645] school.

[646] It was just the way it was.

[647] I loved them.

[648] Like we just, it was fine.

[649] I just lived there and I was doing the band and going to college.

[650] Wow.

[651] Yeah.

[652] So I was really late.

[653] I watched a great documentary about these two dudes who basically created the East LA Latino aesthetic.

[654] One guy was a tattoo artist, clown, and the other guy did pinstriping on lowriders.

[655] I hope I got that right.

[656] Maybe one did a zine.

[657] It doesn't matter.

[658] They inspired.

[659] this enormous movement in Japan of all these Japanese kids.

[660] They've got the shoes, the low pants, the wife beaters, the same tattoos.

[661] And they get to go meet all these kids.

[662] And they're like, this is the most flattering thing imaginable that these kids on the other side of the world have, like, loved our aesthetic we created and are now putting on that character.

[663] But I feel like Japanese culture and American culture, we've been doing a ping pong match for years.

[664] We do something and then they make it really cooler and better, especially in fashion and design.

[665] It's exciting.

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[686] Okay, so what age are you when you join, No Doubt?

[687] I was 17, but I graduated at 17, so I was a senior.

[688] So you had the double whammy of being too young for your age, and you can't read?

[689] Yeah.

[690] What a great start.

[691] But your brother, your older brother, Eric, right?

[692] He was the keyboardist?

[693] Yeah.

[694] And he was the one that was like, you should sing in this group.

[695] Yes.

[696] When did he leave, no doubt?

[697] So my brother, talked about The Simpsons.

[698] He was an animator for The Simpsons for 10 years.

[699] So when that show started, he was working on that show.

[700] While being in no doubt?

[701] Yeah, my brother was like this super gifted child.

[702] He won every art contest.

[703] And my parents were really, I think, hard on him because he was just eccentric.

[704] He was just an weirdo, arty guy.

[705] And my dad was very much like, you've got to get a job.

[706] You can't just do art. And then my brother was like, I want to go to Cal Arts.

[707] And then he ended up doing no doubt.

[708] and then he just ended up getting the job with The Simpsons and he never really went to college, but he did a little bit, community college, and then he went back to Cal Arts because he was like, I want to go there.

[709] But he didn't really go to school there.

[710] He just went there and, like, did his thing he wanted to do.

[711] And then at that point, I think he was just done with no doubt because he's such an pure artist that lives in another place in this world that we don't have access to.

[712] So he was like the idea of having to compromise with the band or the idea of having a label tell you we don't like this song all of that kind of stuff i think he was just done with that too sensitive for that maybe yeah at what stage did he leave the band were you guys already successful or was it just before you got huge we had been together nine years the first album was like a signed album but it was one of those things where we thought it came out and then we went on this like van tour across america and when we would play there would be like a local record store and we'd be playing at a shitty club and it wouldn't be a you couldn't go by it then yeah and so we were like they don't think they put it out oh my gosh did they not put it out it was like a lot of struggle between that and the next album which was the tragic kingdom tragic kingdom's a big one you're on inner scope jimmy iveen your brother's with the band still or yes he is so he did leave post he's in the pictures yeah well no not really we were making that record over a very long period of time so basically one of the things they did was they said, we're going to buy you an eight -track recorder.

[713] I don't even know if they bought it for us, but Interscope.

[714] We're going to recommend that you use your band account to buy an eight -track recorder.

[715] Sell that shitty van you have from touring and buy an eight -track.

[716] And you guys just need to write songs.

[717] And so my grandparents had a house right next to Disneyland, the Beacon Street house.

[718] That's where my dad grew up.

[719] And when my brother moved out of my parents' house, he moved to that house.

[720] And so that was the band house.

[721] And so then Adrian and Tom ended up moving into that house.

[722] And we took the garage and we - Where are the grandparents in the basement?

[723] Where have you guys put down?

[724] Okay.

[725] At this point, they're up there with him or her.

[726] Yeah, because my brother at this point is college age.

[727] It was way after the start of the band.

[728] But we built a studio in the garage and that's where we would just write the songs.

[729] And my brother lived there.

[730] My brother was the kind of guy that we would practice all day writing.

[731] And then we would leave and then he would stay up all night.

[732] Right.

[733] Don't speak.

[734] enemy like and then and then we'd come back and be like want want we suck we didn't Eric's the talented one and he's the John legend yeah or no John Lennon John Lennon he could be him too I guess and he plays piano that's actually better than John Lennon yeah okay accidentally got it right but he quit right before the album came out okay so he wrote a lot of that album he wrote some of it I wrote a lot of it okay Because when my brother quit, Tony quit me at the same time.

[735] Oh, no. And that's why God decided to say, guess what?

[736] You don't know this, but you can write songs.

[737] And then I wrote one, and I was like, holy shit, I feel like I might have lit a fire inside of my heart right now.

[738] But hold on, because this is something incredible that happens in your history, which is you're in this band for nine years, whatever.

[739] You're playing at record stores.

[740] There's no record for sale.

[741] Then your brother quits.

[742] That's a huge source of security within this ban.

[743] And then Tony, this evil Indian boy.

[744] No. Oh my God.

[745] Stop.

[746] They're all evil.

[747] This is the Hussein monas of the world.

[748] So he breaks up to you.

[749] So now you don't have a brother and now you have to work with your ex -boyfriend.

[750] And right at that moment, you think you're going on tour for like a month or two.

[751] You take a semester off school and then that turns into two and a half year tour.

[752] Yep.

[753] That's bonkers.

[754] So entering into that tour with all this instability and a heartbreak and your brother's not there, how long does that suck?

[755] When does it level off?

[756] Was any of that two and a half years enjoyable?

[757] What was that chunk like?

[758] It was really hard and everything was long from finishing the album to doing the first video, which was just a girl.

[759] And I remember we basically shot the video.

[760] I feel like we went straight to the airport and we didn't come home for two and a half years.

[761] I love you saying you left and then you left.

[762] came home and you're a millionaire.

[763] Oh, my God.

[764] I did.

[765] Wow.

[766] I was.

[767] I had $2 ,000, I think.

[768] When you got on the plane.

[769] There was no hair, makeup.

[770] I had my clothes that I had.

[771] We all did.

[772] And trust me, they smelled.

[773] Like, it was like, it was so homegrown and really so unexpected.

[774] I mean, we were trying to make music that was unpopular.

[775] We were the opposite of what was happening.

[776] And we knew it.

[777] And we knew we were just like this geeky band that was just doing what we wanted to do.

[778] So I imagine what's happening is you go on the road for too months.

[779] That's what you think is happening.

[780] You've brought nine outfits you're going to rotate between these two months.

[781] Then they go, we're going to add a week.

[782] I can't imagine they call you and go, we're going to add two years.

[783] I imagine they keep adding a month here, a month there.

[784] And you almost inadvertently end up two and a half years later.

[785] Like, I can't imagine they hit you with, we're going to add two years of this tour.

[786] Well, this is what happened.

[787] This is what gets even weirder, just in my personal life.

[788] So when Tony breaks up with me, I am desperate to just, be friends with him still.

[789] I love him and we have a band together and we've created a life together.

[790] I was dependent on him because he was everything.

[791] He helped me sign my checks.

[792] He helped me make sure I had a key to my car.

[793] Like as a disloat.

[794] They're the best boys.

[795] They're good boys.

[796] Now we've turned a corner.

[797] But we're talking about dyslexia.

[798] Like one of the real reasons is because he filled in the gaps for me as a human being.

[799] I needed that so bad.

[800] So then when we went on tour, it was really, really hard because you have to remember I was so obsessed with him for so long and girls started to dress like me and it was really cool but it wasn't super cool when you would go backstage and they would be back there making out with your...

[801] Yes, using your look to catch Tony's eye.

[802] It was a really challenging time and then reverse for him he would be in the shower and DJ from K Rock would be going take that Tony, listen to this song and then they would play like a song that I had written about him And so for both of us, it was a really hard thing.

[803] Really quick question.

[804] And it's inappropriate, but it's the truth.

[805] How on earth are you guys on tour?

[806] Because you're in hotel rooms, nonstop.

[807] You're both lonely as fuck.

[808] He's got to be thinking, I blew it.

[809] Oh, he's not.

[810] Yeah, they were living the rock star life.

[811] I just feel like I would end up hooking up with the next 400 times if we were on a tour.

[812] This is what happened.

[813] So this is what I was leading up to.

[814] Sorry.

[815] When we mixed the tragic kingdom album, the guy that mixed it was a guy called Paul Palmer, and he had a partner called Rob Gahain.

[816] Now, those guys were a sub of Interscope records called Trauma.

[817] The only band they had was Bush.

[818] They loved the Tragic Kingdom.

[819] They asked Jimmy Iveen if they could have the record and work the record.

[820] Jimmy, go, oh, sure, we don't know what to do with them.

[821] And then they ended up taking us on and kind of signing us and saying, you're going on tour to Open for Bush and the Goo Goo Goo Dolls.

[822] So you too had a pretty quick, immediate new interest as well?

[823] Yeah.

[824] I mean, I feel like the first day of the tour, he had a plan.

[825] He had a plan.

[826] He had an appetite.

[827] Okay, so you guys are both probably hurting each other, you and Tony.

[828] He's with Randos.

[829] You're with this all -English dude, right?

[830] Everyone's getting hurt.

[831] Everyone was really hurt.

[832] How long is everyone just hurting, hurting, hurting, before it dissipates enough that now you're just on the road and you can kind of enjoy it together at all?

[833] Well, there was a lot of other drama.

[834] I mean, the band would say, too.

[835] And we made a video about it.

[836] it don't speak.

[837] Then my star started getting, like, because I was the, it was my story.

[838] Way hotter than the rest of them.

[839] Well, it wasn't that.

[840] I think it was the story that people were connecting to the lyric.

[841] I didn't mean to diminish.

[842] I was just a joke.

[843] You have a lot of value other than being much hotter than those guys.

[844] You're also writing better songs.

[845] You're a lot.

[846] I love it.

[847] You're a smoke show.

[848] Yeah, yeah.

[849] Yes, you are.

[850] No, but I swear to God.

[851] So then there was like a lot of that going on too because it would be like, oh, we want one for this, but we don't want the guys.

[852] I'm sure they felt jealousy and did you feel guilt?

[853] It's hard when you're in a democracy the entire time having to vote for every single thing.

[854] Everything's equal, but you're not equal.

[855] Right.

[856] And you have different pressure.

[857] I'm a girl and I have to do all these extra things.

[858] So there was a lot of that going on.

[859] But we had a lot of fun and we just couldn't believe it.

[860] I mean, you could imagine.

[861] After nine years.

[862] That's the best part.

[863] You guys aren't like the Beatles who played in those strip clubs for like a decade before they were the Beatles.

[864] Yeah.

[865] It was incredible.

[866] When you were getting pulled in all these different directions and you guys are still equal.

[867] and the voting way and all that.

[868] And I would imagine you didn't feel guilty as you just covered.

[869] I felt more like, oh, they want you on the cover of whatever, 17 magazine, but you can't do it.

[870] Because if we're not going to be on it, you're not going to be on it.

[871] Oh, you felt a little bit restricted.

[872] And then you had to question the motives.

[873] Yeah, but then we worked it out.

[874] We had solutions like, okay, if it's going to be a fashion thing, then you do it.

[875] And then if it's going to be a music thing, we're going to all do it.

[876] And we're a band.

[877] This is exactly what's happened between Monica and I. What?

[878] Yeah, she's an ambassador and like a model for this cool suit company.

[879] No one's asking me to do any of that shit.

[880] Yeah, right.

[881] The people, no, her followers are like, they're super fans and they just get through me. Like, it's all happened here.

[882] Such a lie.

[883] Everyone's dying to, Capriotti's wants to do something with a sandwich place.

[884] Oh, my God, they were on your ass now too.

[885] With you, with you.

[886] Oh, I didn't hear about the capriotti's offer.

[887] You have sandwiches.

[888] Okay.

[889] I'll take fashion.

[890] How fashionable.

[891] Okay.

[892] But you guys stay together for a. few more albums, no?

[893] Yeah, we were still together.

[894] We're on a hiatus, I guess, you call it.

[895] We haven't done anything for a while.

[896] In this crazy adjustment period, does it level off at some point?

[897] Does everyone get used to the roles and used to the different amounts of attention?

[898] I think so.

[899] We were all really good friends.

[900] We all had a blast.

[901] And I think we all had our different roles that we played to make it work.

[902] And I think mine was the creative songwriting, the vision of what's the stage going to look like and the screens and all that kind of stuff.

[903] I love that.

[904] You know, Tony was more, Are we getting ripped off?

[905] Kind of like the manager.

[906] Yeah, yeah.

[907] Are we being ripped off?

[908] That's the Dax roll, yeah.

[909] That album then sold 16 million copies.

[910] That's so gigantic now.

[911] It was huge.

[912] You were kind of the last chapter of when people were selling 16 million albums.

[913] It's true.

[914] In fact, when I went on to do the solo period, which was totally unexpected, we were taking our first little break because we'd never taken a break.

[915] Because once we were swimming, we had to keep swimming.

[916] And I think Adrian at the time he had gotten married and was having his first baby.

[917] It was a lot.

[918] It was time to take a break.

[919] And I don't know where it came from.

[920] That guy.

[921] Sure, sure.

[922] You know damn where that came from.

[923] So I was sort of like I just had this lightball moment where I was going to do a dance record.

[924] And I wanted to do almost like a joke of all the pop music that I listened to in high school outside of like the ska and all the stuff that I was into.

[925] But it was the backdrop of my life.

[926] You know, so I wanted to do a dance record like that for fun.

[927] And between the first solo record and the second one, the landscape of the industry was completely changed.

[928] Yeah.

[929] Between 95 and 2004, your solo is 2004, Tragic Kingdom was 95.

[930] Yeah, you couldn't sell, even the first solo to the next, and they were back to back.

[931] And I had one of my biggest hits on the second one.

[932] I couldn't sell because people were stealing songs.

[933] Like it was just.

[934] Napster era.

[935] Yeah.

[936] It got all crazy.

[937] You were the first person, though, to ever sell a million downloads.

[938] Me and Pharrell, yeah.

[939] You and Forre.

[940] Yeah, for Hollabette Girl.

[941] I know that one.

[942] I ain't no Hollabat girl.

[943] I didn't know banana.

[944] Can you spell it?

[945] I ain't no H -U -O -L -E -B -A -C -K -G -I -R -L.

[946] Pretty good.

[947] Do you spell that one at any point in the song?

[948] Ain't no capital H -O, double hockey sticks, E -R.

[949] So one time I was on tour, you're going to relate to this because I get so panicky when someone asked me to spell something.

[950] And I had written this song called Sirius, and it was S -E -R -I -O -U -S, right?

[951] And it spells it out.

[952] Is that how you spell it?

[953] I think.

[954] Yes.

[955] That is exactly right.

[956] I was listening.

[957] I'm like, do you leave an eye out?

[958] I feel like there might be my eye in there.

[959] You said, she said it.

[960] She said it.

[961] It's right.

[962] We were doing that song, and I had gotten pregnant right before my first ever solo tour.

[963] And so I had the dancers, like was everything that I'd never done before, new band, everything.

[964] And I was so sick wanting to vomit.

[965] Yeah, morning sickness.

[966] Morning sickness that every time that song would come on, I would have to do that song.

[967] I would get sick.

[968] It was like, instead of like, you know, someone eats meat and they want to throw up, I was like, that song would make me want to throw up.

[969] Because I was so insecure about it.

[970] One of my very favorite songs.

[971] You keep putting spelling songs in your repertoire.

[972] How weird.

[973] We find ways to explore our trauma.

[974] You're right.

[975] We act out our trauma.

[976] We try to pretend like we actually know what we're doing.

[977] One of my favorite songs is G -L -O -U -S -O -U -S.

[978] See, I can't spell it, though.

[979] Taking first class up in...

[980] You must love that song, right?

[981] It's a gangster song.

[982] Okay, you're going to freak out.

[983] So that song, me and Tony wrote a song called Luxurious.

[984] I've heard it.

[985] Yes, so you sample, hold on one second.

[986] You just pipe down while I think of who you sample, because it was a good sample.

[987] You stay quiet over there.

[988] It's a good sample.

[989] But we actually wrote a song.

[990] song without the sample and put the sample on afterward, which is really weird.

[991] The sample has nothing to do with this.

[992] But anyways, it wasn't about the sample.

[993] It was about the fact that when Jimmy wanted to do a remake, and I think Ludacris did a remake of it, and it was that song.

[994] It was glamorous.

[995] We said, no, we're not going to do it.

[996] They ended up giving it to Fergie, and that became glamorous.

[997] That's a great song.

[998] Big, big.

[999] Tony liked it.

[1000] I wasn't Tony Dylan.

[1001] I think we just both were like, I don't know.

[1002] It was one of those really bad decisions that we made, like, while we were we thinking?

[1003] And I regret it so bad.

[1004] But obviously, glamorous turned out to be awesome.

[1005] Well, hold on.

[1006] So the whole song was written when it came to you.

[1007] Because L -O -L -G -L -A -N.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] But then she goes, I got money in the bank and I'd really like to thank all my fans.

[1010] I'd like to think.

[1011] There's one song, though, about her being in a Mustang.

[1012] And I just, that has to be her, right, driving around an 80s Mustang?

[1013] That didn't get written for her.

[1014] No, no, no, it wasn't the lyrics.

[1015] It wasn't the lyrics.

[1016] It was the song with tracks.

[1017] Just the track.

[1018] They had done like a remix of luxurious and then that track turned into glamorous.

[1019] Wow.

[1020] Can we remember who we sampled for luxurious though?

[1021] Isley.

[1022] Isley Brothers, maybe.

[1023] That sounds right.

[1024] It's someone I love.

[1025] That's right.

[1026] Between the sheets by that.

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] Making love between the sheets.

[1029] No, no, no, no. Okay.

[1030] If we have a singer in here, Dax sings four times the amount per usual.

[1031] That's right, because it's on my mind.

[1032] I really like, I like the boldness.

[1033] I love to sing.

[1034] I am a bad singer, but I really.

[1035] makes me feel good, right?

[1036] Like, gee, when you're spelling it out, I feel good.

[1037] I feel sassy like I'm a sexy woman up drinking champagne.

[1038] When was that moment for you where you were like, I like this?

[1039] I always liked singing.

[1040] I was like the kid that was in the back of the car.

[1041] I knew the words to every song on the radio.

[1042] I just liked to sing, but I didn't think I was a really good singer or anything like that.

[1043] But I would listen to like the Annie soundtrack or sound of music and sing along.

[1044] And it wasn't until my brother, he would play piano and be like, come on, come sing.

[1045] And he would kind of make me sing.

[1046] And so it was not a dream of mine at all, except I did once we were in the band.

[1047] I was like, I know that if somebody let me, I could do jingles for like Kentucky Fried Chicken or like anything.

[1048] Yeah, yeah.

[1049] I knew that if I could get into that world.

[1050] Yeah, you'd crush.

[1051] Your story's a tiny bit like Billy Elish.

[1052] Oh, is it?

[1053] Well, with the brother, producing the songs and going like, get your ass in here.

[1054] here in sync.

[1055] Having a cheerleader is so sweet.

[1056] Do you think you find your way to this without your older brother encouraging?

[1057] No way.

[1058] Older brother.

[1059] Have you given him half your money?

[1060] Just as a thank you.

[1061] He left.

[1062] He could have been there the whole time.

[1063] He knows I love him.

[1064] Try to cash that.

[1065] Okay.

[1066] We're going to jump to the voice.

[1067] That's so funny.

[1068] We're going to first say, I love the defiant one so much.

[1069] That's one of my favorite docs.

[1070] The one with Jimmy I mean.

[1071] Yeah.

[1072] It made me feel super cool that I was in it.

[1073] Fuck yeah.

[1074] It's a cool dog.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] You are because you're in it.

[1078] I had the same thing.

[1079] I was watching it and I was like, oh, I think I said this on here.

[1080] I haven't accomplished one thing.

[1081] I'm a fucking loser.

[1082] Like, look at these people who are actually creative volcanoes and giants.

[1083] It made me feel so small and worthless and less than.

[1084] But then it makes you feel inspired too.

[1085] Although I think it would have happened for me by now.

[1086] If I was going to have that level of genius like Dr. Dre.

[1087] You're on fire right now.

[1088] This podcast is killing it.

[1089] Also singing.

[1090] You could be the next one to find.

[1091] Do you want to collab with you?

[1092] What do they call it when you invite someone in hip hop onto your album to, like, blow them up, to give him a leg up?

[1093] There's a cool term for it.

[1094] I need you to do that for me. I need you to, like, invite me in and I'll have a coming out.

[1095] I feel like I'm past the whole hip -hop record I'm going to make, too.

[1096] Guys never say never.

[1097] I was dating a gal who is a singer.

[1098] You've worked with her.

[1099] We'll cut it out.

[1100] And I have these totally arrogant fantasies that I might be able to write a song for her in the way that Dr. Dr. Seuss wrote Boy Name Sue for Johnny Cash.

[1101] Not like I could write some really cool hip hop track, but then I could write something clever.

[1102] Got it.

[1103] In a Dr. Seuss way, boy named Sue.

[1104] Do you know that song, Boy Name Sue?

[1105] Yeah.

[1106] Okay, wonderful.

[1107] Yeah, I think so.

[1108] Will you sing it for me?

[1109] Yeah, I would love to.

[1110] The meanest thing that he ever did is before he left me, I'm going to name you Sue.

[1111] Oh, man, I know the whole thing.

[1112] And back to your teleprompter thing.

[1113] I'm having total anxiety about it.

[1114] I do know that.

[1115] It's like a very character song.

[1116] And he gets to meet his old, his daddy.

[1117] And he finally's at a bar one night and he sees the old mangy dog that named him Sue.

[1118] And he's finally going to kill him.

[1119] That's his plan.

[1120] And then they have this epic fight.

[1121] And he says, I know you want to kill me and you got the right.

[1122] Blah, blah, blah.

[1123] Try not to get too frustrated.

[1124] We can edit.

[1125] No, I'm editing it.

[1126] Doesn't matter.

[1127] It was funny and clever and offbeat.

[1128] But it made its way into a country legend's repertoire.

[1129] And I did have these really arrogant fantasies that I got.

[1130] write something like super dr susy she was so talented i watched her write some stuff right in front my face because i'm not a writer like that like i have to do my dot -to -dot take my time research i wrote this song called underneath it all i remember the day before we were going to go work with um day's tour from your rhythmic and at that time was like i was walking through the park in london and i was like what am i going to do like i have to write a song with him tomorrow like what is it going to be about the line you're lovely underneath it all just popped in my brain and i was like okay, that's going to be good.

[1131] And then when I got there, and he had these strings he had worked on, this whole reggae thing.

[1132] And I literally, like, it just happened really fast.

[1133] Like Jay Z, off the dome.

[1134] But it's like I'm not like a rapper.

[1135] Like I've gone in so many sessions where these guys will literally go, I got it.

[1136] Just go to the mic and then like this whole like song comes out of their mouth.

[1137] And you're like, what?

[1138] And it rhymes and it's clever.

[1139] There's references to movies from 20.

[1140] Yes.

[1141] And a lot of songwriters that you go in sessions, they'll say that a lot of people, do this.

[1142] They'll pretend that they don't, they didn't do any pre -production.

[1143] Of course.

[1144] And then they'll come in and be like, what about?

[1145] And then they'll throw out these like lines that are so clever.

[1146] And everyone's like, oh, you just thought of that?

[1147] Yeah.

[1148] I'm suspicious that a lot of it is that.

[1149] I like to believe Jay -Z really does it.

[1150] No, I think a lot of rappers do it.

[1151] They channel their soul.

[1152] Okay, I have two more questions before we talk about makeup.

[1153] I love this story.

[1154] Your kids love Farrell.

[1155] They love happy.

[1156] Who doesn't?

[1157] That's so weird.

[1158] I looked at that video last night.

[1159] You did.

[1160] I had a video of my two little babies when they were at the time.

[1161] Now they're huge.

[1162] And it's Kingston.

[1163] He made me film this for Farrell.

[1164] And he's like, Mom, press play.

[1165] He's like, Farrell, this is for you.

[1166] Oh, my God.

[1167] And then it's him in the little, they're doing this dance in the kitchen.

[1168] It's like I almost sent it to him, my 16 year old ago.

[1169] Look at how embarrassing this was that you sent this to him.

[1170] And that was after I hadn't seen Farrell in like a long time.

[1171] And he had just come back and had those three huge hits when everyone had already signed him off as like done.

[1172] Oh, I love that.

[1173] Yeah.

[1174] This could be our trial duet.

[1175] Clap along if you feel.

[1176] Sorry.

[1177] I don't know the lyrics.

[1178] If you feel like a room with.

[1179] Without a roof.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] Clav along.

[1182] That's all we need.

[1183] Okay.

[1184] You're ready?

[1185] Three, seven, eight, nine.

[1186] Clap along if you.

[1187] That was a weird harmony.

[1188] All right.

[1189] That didn't go well.

[1190] So I'm not going to be on your next album.

[1191] That's okay.

[1192] I'll live with that.

[1193] Okay.

[1194] You reach out to him and then he says, come to Coachella tomorrow virtually, right?

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] And you go, fuck it.

[1197] You didn't want to.

[1198] You just had a third kid.

[1199] You're like, I don't want to go to Coachella.

[1200] You force yourself to go to Coachella.

[1201] And then one second later, you get offered the voice, which maybe you wouldn't have done, but then you see, oh, Farrell's on it.

[1202] And then that leads to the voice.

[1203] Yeah.

[1204] God, right?

[1205] It's for you.

[1206] That's God.

[1207] Well, it was.

[1208] And I want to say, even Farrell, he's said a few things to me that have been very, spiritual.

[1209] One of the things he said to me, and it made a huge impact, I was talking about spirituality and just my lifelong relationship with God and how I look back and I think, how can I, out of that weird little nobody girl, dyslexic from Anaheim, be this person that gets to have this much access to people.

[1210] That doesn't make sense.

[1211] If people knew who I really was, none of these ideas are mine.

[1212] And I just know that I'm just channeling whatever I'm supposed to be doing here.

[1213] So just keep it coming.

[1214] You know what I mean?

[1215] And so I remember saying to Farrell, I was going through some really tough things at that point.

[1216] And we were talking about all of that.

[1217] And he said, yeah, Gwan, all you have to do is open your eyes and you will see.

[1218] And I was like, what does that mean?

[1219] When I started really looking for the connection to other people that were kind of in the same zone as I was in the same beliefs, you would see it in them.

[1220] And it was very inspiring.

[1221] I know I'm kind of talking out of the lines like you can't really hear.

[1222] What I'm trying to say, because I don't really know exactly how to put it.

[1223] Jay -Z said it best, real, recognize, real, and you're looking familiar.

[1224] You could see it in other people.

[1225] Oh, my God, that's right.

[1226] I put my hand in my heart.

[1227] It means I feel you.

[1228] That's exactly what I was trying to say.

[1229] Jayzy, thank you.

[1230] Maybe he came up with that off the dome.

[1231] Maybe he wrote it down.

[1232] We'll never know.

[1233] Maybe a team of people.

[1234] Listen, you say this a lot.

[1235] I wrote down something, in fact, that you said.

[1236] I don't know how I feel about it, okay?

[1237] This is a quote from the New York Times.

[1238] You just said it.

[1239] And then I had written down something.

[1240] something different, but in the same vein that you had said in 2016, New York Times, extraordinary things have happened to a not extraordinary person, like a regular person, and it keeps blowing my mind.

[1241] I want to know, and this is a true question.

[1242] I don't have a judgment on it.

[1243] The insecurity, the belief that you're not extraordinary, despite all the evidence that you are, is it vital for what you've created or was it in your way?

[1244] Like I can tell you, the aliens come down, they look at your life, whatever you, think is the answer.

[1245] They go, oh, extraordinary person.

[1246] Extraordinary.

[1247] This person went into singing.

[1248] They had this.

[1249] Then they went solo.

[1250] And they go on TV.

[1251] Extraordinary life.

[1252] I just know that everything that ever happened, it just appeared.

[1253] And it was like, it really truly was like a mind -blowing thing for myself.

[1254] Now, not until later when I got further into my spirituality in actually reading the Bible or actually listening to podcasts of preachers that were explaining the Bible because I don't read very good.

[1255] And it's confusing.

[1256] And it's confusing.

[1257] That's an unreadable text.

[1258] But like Jesus was on to something.

[1259] I mean, he had some really good stuff.

[1260] So what I'm saying is I felt like I could not only admit that I was gifted, but also know that if I didn't admit it, that was kind of disrespectful too.

[1261] So kind of that whole thing when I said, I went to the teleprompter and I was like, okay, listen, get over it.

[1262] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1263] You got a D in speech and call it, but you're not a D. Like, you got to move forward.

[1264] You're here.

[1265] You've been here for three decades.

[1266] But I think that the naive part of me, the way that I wrote because I was dyslexic, because there was no rules in songs that it didn't matter how I spelled.

[1267] I didn't have to follow grammar rules.

[1268] I just was following my truth, my heart, my story.

[1269] And every time that I kept being me, which was like, okay, I'm just going to wear this because I don't like my legs or whatever it was, ended up being the reason why I am the success that I am.

[1270] So I have learned that as an older person that, yes.

[1271] Yeah, there's one part of me that goes, no, it's exactly your lack of belief in yourself that has actually been so appealing to everyone that loves you and your owning of the insecurities and your honesty and authenticity is what has made you successful.

[1272] That's one angle.

[1273] I can buy into that.

[1274] Another angle might be, wow, had I acknowledged and absolutely believed I was capable of all this.

[1275] would you have been even more prolific?

[1276] Would you've been Prince?

[1277] That's the two things I question.

[1278] I don't know.

[1279] Does that make sense as a question?

[1280] Did you hold yourself back because you had limiting thoughts of yourself?

[1281] I don't know.

[1282] I think that there was a certain point where maybe feeling like I had to please everyone all the time might have helped me back, staying in certain things or working with certain people or managers or whatever it is.

[1283] But at the same time, like I said, I've always been kind of late to the party with all of these things because I don't.

[1284] didn't know until I knew.

[1285] Now I know.

[1286] So now I'm going to do this.

[1287] And that made me think of the makeup line because I'm getting some award next week.

[1288] It's like women that do stuff and inspire people.

[1289] One of those things, you're like, me, really?

[1290] But then I look back and I go, wow, crap.

[1291] I've actually created a lot of things.

[1292] Lamb was a clothing line at the time when people weren't allowed to do that in music because it would mean that they were trying to take advantage of you.

[1293] I just did it.

[1294] This is 18 years ago.

[1295] So 2004, I think.

[1296] Lamb made me have a heart attack when you said that.

[1297] No, it was like three years ago.

[1298] No. It was probably 18 years ago.

[1299] I'm just saying that predates a lot of the things.

[1300] But it's like when you think about some of the things that you've done with your challenges of being dyslexic, I would never think that I would grow up and have my own business.

[1301] Like, that's just not me. But Lamb was enormously successful.

[1302] It was successful, but it was a license.

[1303] That's a completely different kind of format where you don't have to do everything and you just say kind of yes or no. But it's still like a whole thing.

[1304] I mean, I worked my ass off.

[1305] And then I did Herzegu Leverz and I did Herzikoumi.

[1306] which was like at Target for a while, which I was designing.

[1307] And I absolutely love doing all of those projects.

[1308] I mean, so much.

[1309] And then I did lamb eyewear.

[1310] I did a company called GX for a while.

[1311] I love that you started doing eyewear because you realized you needed glasses.

[1312] Well, I always wanted to do sun glasses.

[1313] But then as soon as I finally got my partner with it, I actually needed glasses.

[1314] Now I don't want to wear them because I'm like, oh my God, I feel old when I wear glasses.

[1315] Stay tuned for more armchair expert.

[1316] If you dare.

[1317] Can I pause real quick because we blew past it, but it is important to say people maybe will be mad at me for saying this, but you are Prince to a generation.

[1318] Oh my God.

[1319] No, no, I'm serious.

[1320] For like girls my age, I mean, Erica, my group of friends will be like, if you had this person on the podcast, I would need to be there.

[1321] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[1322] There's a running thing of who would you need to be in the attic for it?

[1323] And my friend who's my age is like Gwen Stefani 100%.

[1324] Also, I didn't invite her.

[1325] Oh, Brie?

[1326] Also, Brie?

[1327] So my girlfriend of nine years, and this actually dovetails beautifully into your makeup because I think you appealed to a very specific girl.

[1328] So Brie, unbelievably beautiful.

[1329] Monica just met her for the first time last Sunday at Houston.

[1330] So was Erica.

[1331] So was Erica.

[1332] But Brie was drawn to the punk rock aesthetic.

[1333] She wanted makeup the way I wanted a mohawk.

[1334] I wanted to distract you from my face, which I didn't like.

[1335] And I had all this accoutrema to have a whole character.

[1336] that I was confident in.

[1337] The combat boots and this and the that, that made me feel very confident.

[1338] I thought if you just got my face, you're walking.

[1339] I think everybody wants to have an identity, and some people are visual and make their identity out of their hair, their makeup, their clothes, and tattoos, whatever it is.

[1340] I'm calling the kettle black.

[1341] That was what I did.

[1342] And I think a lot of you were, I'm not going to make a makeup that's nude and simple.

[1343] I'm going bold.

[1344] I'm going to create a character on my face.

[1345] Prince also was a character.

[1346] I mean, he was an incredible musician, but aesthetically, he was a thing.

[1347] And people were drawn to that.

[1348] They were drawn to this uniqueness.

[1349] And you did that for so many women, especially.

[1350] Thank you.

[1351] Yeah.

[1352] Thank you.

[1353] For real.

[1354] Well, honestly, like we were talking earlier, it was what it was.

[1355] I didn't try.

[1356] I was just doing what it was.

[1357] And I didn't know that anyone was going to see it or do that.

[1358] But when they did and when I tasted the blood, I was like fuel.

[1359] I mean, it was like, you like it?

[1360] Okay.

[1361] I'm a people pleaser.

[1362] Yeah, I'm an entertainer.

[1363] Can you relate to the thing I'm talking about that like I'm going to present to you a whole character?

[1364] It's going to have very interesting clothes and you're going to be a little distracted by this crazy outfit I've put on.

[1365] I feel like mine was a little more about being inspired all the time.

[1366] I don't know why.

[1367] I didn't want to shop at the mall.

[1368] I want to shop at the thrift store.

[1369] Because when I would watch old movies, I like those clothes, and I like that makeup.

[1370] And I like to look at pictures of my mom from the 60s, and that looked cool to me. Like, what we're doing now didn't seem cool to me. It wasn't even like I had a group of friends that we were all doing this.

[1371] Like, it was literally me going to the thrift store by myself, just knowing that one of my gifts was I could x -ray the room and find the greatest things in that room and bring it home.

[1372] And then I would tear it apart and I would sew it back together.

[1373] And I would walk out of the house and go, I look.

[1374] cool but not like I'm going to present this fake person of who I am because I don't like myself it was just more like this is what I like to do and this is who I am and I like this.

[1375] I'm born that way.

[1376] You know what I'm saying?

[1377] So I think it was just one of those things where I used whatever I had around me like I didn't have money but I lived at home so I'd say dad can have five bucks.

[1378] We're going to rent a microphone and I'm going to go to practice or every time I would have an event it would be like what am I going to wear next and you know I'd see people.

[1379] I'd see these girls in Anaheim with this makeup on it.

[1380] It was like literally look like they airbrushed their face and they would sit in class and they would have a mirror and they would just be like picking their eyelashes apart because they never took their mascara off.

[1381] And I was just fascinated by their beauty.

[1382] And I wanted to be like that.

[1383] So I became a version of my version of it.

[1384] Right.

[1385] Like I plucked my eyebrows out.

[1386] And it was a combination of those girls and it was a combination of watching old movies.

[1387] I was obsessed with all the Turner classics.

[1388] I've watched that all the time.

[1389] I was projecting to my.

[1390] I relate with your insecurities.

[1391] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1392] It wasn't an armor.

[1393] And I've gotten a lot of trouble for my makeup, and I still do.

[1394] Like, why are you wearing a mask?

[1395] What's underneath there?

[1396] What are you trying to hide?

[1397] Oh, you're just going to school pickup.

[1398] Why are you wearing that makeup?

[1399] That's disgusting.

[1400] Like, who are you?

[1401] You know, we all read these things about ourselves.

[1402] Since I was a little girl, I was obsessed with makeup.

[1403] First of all, tell me how to pronounce it, because again, we already went over this.

[1404] G -X -V -E, give.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] Okay, great, give.

[1407] But let the listener know.

[1408] Give is spelled.

[1409] GXVE.

[1410] That's because when I was in high school, I started signing my name all the time, GX, like, G with a kiss.

[1411] Oh.

[1412] So I actually did have a line called GX for a while.

[1413] And so then when I was trying to come up with a brand name, it's really hard these days.

[1414] We just came up with give because with makeup, what I always say is when I was working at the makeup counter back in the day, and I wanted to be one of those girls so bad.

[1415] And I finally got to, and I was at this really, like, dollar mall where nobody.

[1416] bought expensive makeup, but I was on the expensive makeup brand that nobody bought.

[1417] But people would come in and be like, I want to makeover because I'm going out tonight.

[1418] And I want a free sample.

[1419] I would do makeup for people.

[1420] And I loved it.

[1421] I don't know why I was good at it.

[1422] No one told me how to do it.

[1423] I didn't take a class.

[1424] But I could do it.

[1425] So this girl came in with her husband, didn't speak English.

[1426] She had a birthmark on her face.

[1427] She had a brand new baby.

[1428] And I remember putting her makeup on.

[1429] The feeling she gave me and the gift I gave her was.

[1430] was this moment of hope.

[1431] She looked in the mirror.

[1432] They were almost crying.

[1433] Yeah.

[1434] Because she felt like she never saw herself like that.

[1435] Maybe it's a temporary thing.

[1436] Like when I got ready for you this morning, this was me giving a gift to you.

[1437] Or blue eyeliner.

[1438] And you know what I'm saying?

[1439] I feel like I thought about that.

[1440] Yeah.

[1441] I could have come here with no makeup on.

[1442] And that would have been a different kind of gift.

[1443] Get out of here.

[1444] Put your face on and come back.

[1445] Oh.

[1446] I love you.

[1447] Yeah, it is a gift to show someone what they can be.

[1448] Yeah, and also, I don't put my makeup on and sit and stare at myself a day long.

[1449] I did it for you guys.

[1450] I think the beauty community has been just so cool in the last 10 years since we have online.

[1451] And the thing that I love most about being creative and creating something of putting it out there, whether it's music or designing something, when people get a hold of that, your identity, and they make it their identity.

[1452] This is what we've been talking about all day.

[1453] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1454] I designed these handbags back in the day for a sports second.

[1455] It was right when Lamb came out, and they were these black and white bags and literally couldn't walk down the street in New York without seeing one.

[1456] It was so incredible.

[1457] But they would own it, like it was their idea.

[1458] It was such an incredible thing.

[1459] It's just like the music or like these girls dressing up.

[1460] So with makeup, the difference is that I'm creating all these different products.

[1461] And when people get their hands on it, it's really fun to see what they do with.

[1462] I have this community now of makeup lovers that are equally as obsessed with it as I am, and they're doing stuff with the makeup that I wouldn't do.

[1463] And of course, they're them.

[1464] So it's just really a fun thing.

[1465] But I do think yours is different than all the other ones I'm hearing about because everything is like you don't see it, it's nude, but yours is specifically and explicitly bold, which I think is cool.

[1466] It seems like that's a hole in the market.

[1467] I think that there's trends on makeup and what's popular and everybody wears whatever they're comfortable with.

[1468] sometimes they push and they didn't know they would be comfortable on red lipstick.

[1469] But I think the thing behind mine was it had to be clean.

[1470] And I didn't go out to make a clean line when I started this four years ago because I didn't really care.

[1471] I was just someone to make really good makeup that I can wear that I want to wear.

[1472] And as I got into it, I started realizing some of the dangers that are out there.

[1473] And I didn't know.

[1474] I was ignorant.

[1475] But then I was like, of course, yes, now it has to be clean.

[1476] And that is a huge challenge to make a bold clean line because pigments and natural paints and things that you use, It's hard.

[1477] Like, it's hard because there's a lot of things that you can't use to make it bold.

[1478] That has been a challenge, but a fun challenge.

[1479] And I just feel like me doing a makeup line at this point in my 50s.

[1480] I just said that out loud.

[1481] I think it's one of those things.

[1482] I want people to be able to trust me on this one because it's been very consistent.

[1483] And it's so much noise out there in the makeup world.

[1484] And women and guys want to feel good and look good.

[1485] And I think that they don't know how to sometimes.

[1486] I want to be able to help them.

[1487] So you've built this whole platform around Give, which is the Give community.

[1488] And then so all these gales and guys, they're posting their creations with your ingredients, which is cool, right?

[1489] And they're sharing it.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] And then some genius in your world, and maybe it was you, like, we should allow these people to sell the makeup.

[1492] That was me. Or right out of the gates, which is incredible, is they get 30 % commission.

[1493] That part's gangster.

[1494] But I got to, it's not a pyramid scheme, right?

[1495] They don't have to order a bunch of the product before they sell it.

[1496] No, I thought, this is a deal.

[1497] So I have all these people I've been having this love affair with for like 30 years, right?

[1498] And we trust each other.

[1499] And they inspire me. I inspire them.

[1500] And we don't really know each other, but we know each other.

[1501] And it's crazy.

[1502] But when you go from like going to the mailbox and getting a letter back in the day to like having access to people on your phone, it's a completely different world.

[1503] And I see them, they're already doing the work and they're not getting paid.

[1504] They're my cheerleaders.

[1505] And so I started thinking about this makeup line and this point in my life where this is a passion project.

[1506] I don't have to be doing this right now.

[1507] Dennis is like, what, Defani?

[1508] Do not do it.

[1509] Retire.

[1510] Like, get out of the, just get on with your life.

[1511] Buy a nice, safe government bond.

[1512] Yes, exactly.

[1513] Yeah.

[1514] I felt like I needed to do something creative and I would regret it if I did it.

[1515] So I did start it.

[1516] And part of the thing was not just to have a regular makeup line.

[1517] Like, I can do that and I like doing it.

[1518] Sephora is incredible.

[1519] I love designing the.

[1520] makeup.

[1521] But the idea that I could create this community of people that could be paid by being a fan was just my little way of being like, how can we be even more partners in crime?

[1522] And so that's kind of where the 30 % commission came in.

[1523] But I thought of so many different ways we could do it and I landed here.

[1524] I think you're on the good side of it.

[1525] You wouldn't want people buying like a fucking palette of makeup and being out of pocket and it's in their garage and their parents are going, what the fuck is going?

[1526] No, I didn't want any trouble.

[1527] I just wanted to do something nice for people, right?

[1528] This is what was a really cool story.

[1529] My sister -in -law, who's been with my little brother Todd, the dyslexic one, who's going to love me for this.

[1530] They've been together since they're 15.

[1531] So she's like my sister, right?

[1532] Anyway, she started being an ambassador, a giver, we call them.

[1533] And she's like, oh my gosh, this is so crazy.

[1534] You didn't tell me that I was going to have to text people back in this community.

[1535] But then she's, like, addicted to it.

[1536] And she's having so much fun.

[1537] And she was so excited because she's so clever.

[1538] She basically got a bridal shower gift.

[1539] So she sold 20 lip glosses.

[1540] And she's like, that's going to be my thing.

[1541] I'm going to do showers.

[1542] And so she got super excited.

[1543] And she's made 500 bucks.

[1544] And she's like, I'm going to go get my laser on my hair.

[1545] It sounds like a good part of a pyramid scheme.

[1546] The fun part is like joining a community.

[1547] These things wouldn't work multi -level marketing things if they weren't appealing.

[1548] So, A, you join a community.

[1549] B, you figure out your own hustle, which is fun.

[1550] like a purpose.

[1551] It's the buying a shitload of stuff from somebody that's in your garage going bad.

[1552] So it just really to me has the fun part of it without that shitty part.

[1553] None of that's involved.

[1554] What do you think I could make?

[1555] I don't even know.

[1556] You might actually be a good makeup artist.

[1557] Probably not.

[1558] Do you know Jeremy Renner is an incredible makeup artist?

[1559] Do you know Jeremy Renner worked at a mall and he made women feel incredible?

[1560] He's like turning women's lives around with his artistry.

[1561] It was the most adorable thing I ever heard.

[1562] Honestly, this stuff can make people feel.

[1563] I mean, I know what it makes me feel like.

[1564] And we all need to feel good and confident and I don't know I love it how do people go to the community what is it its own app or is yeah there's an app and you can go in there and then you sign up you can go in there and you can post you can talk to each other I'm on there all the time posting and then you just get paid instantly as soon as you sell it comes right to your phone so it's like yeah it's been really exciting and there's a lot of people that I follow that have just been no doubt fans or fans forever that I know by heart because you start following people and you kind of get to know them and then And I watched them become givers and watch them have all of a sudden this new identity.

[1565] It was just really fun to watch.

[1566] It's just brand new.

[1567] It's only come out like a month ago.

[1568] That's cool.

[1569] So cool.

[1570] My last question.

[1571] I've had so much fun.

[1572] You've hung out with me socially a few times.

[1573] We have a mutual friend, Robert.

[1574] We've been up at Robert's house several times together.

[1575] Oh, that Robert.

[1576] I was like, which one is he?

[1577] Robert Donnie Jr. Iron Man. The big second biggest grossing.

[1578] I was thinking about it.

[1579] Today I was trying to remember which.

[1580] Because I also remember seeing you in a parking lot more recently.

[1581] Yeah, where the fuck was that?

[1582] You know where that Japanese restaurant, Yen, right on Coldwater and Ventura?

[1583] There we go.

[1584] I think it was right there.

[1585] Right by our friend the Hansons.

[1586] We were leaving the Hansons.

[1587] We had parked, yes, in the weird valet thing illegally, and you are happening to be.

[1588] Yes, I remember this entirely.

[1589] But then also we've been up at Robert's house for a few kids' parties, birthday parties.

[1590] So we've hung out socially.

[1591] And I just wanted you to rate that.

[1592] Did you find that like, did you think I'm a good hang off air?

[1593] I think people are curious.

[1594] I think that you were, but now I'm a super fan.

[1595] No, look at that.

[1596] Now I got to talk about myself in front of you this whole time.

[1597] I'm a super fan.

[1598] I'm glad that you give it.

[1599] You said A plus, I think is what you said.

[1600] Yeah, I think she said 100.

[1601] I don't know.

[1602] I want to quote you directly.

[1603] Okay, Gwen, this has been radical.

[1604] On behalf of Eric, on behalf of Bree.

[1605] You really have made so many girls feel beautiful and fun.

[1606] Yeah, but you're right here to say.

[1607] Yeah, but you're talking about.

[1608] It's impossible not to wait in this.

[1609] personal stuff between Monica and I, it's always, it's part of the fun.

[1610] It's part of the fun.

[1611] I love it.

[1612] Some evolution of our friendship is always unfolding in front of the gas.

[1613] I feel like you were mad at me earlier because when I ran into you, you didn't want to talk.

[1614] I was so nice to you.

[1615] We were in the middle of our workout.

[1616] You don't stop a workout.

[1617] I ran into decks on a workout and I got scared.

[1618] And me and my best childhood friend were on a walk.

[1619] We're trying to keep our heart rate up.

[1620] Hi.

[1621] Oh my God.

[1622] I love your car.

[1623] It looks so sexy.

[1624] You got a lot of stuff.

[1625] Yeah, blew your ass up.

[1626] Then we had to keep that heart rate.

[1627] Of course, of course.

[1628] So anyways, you're on the tail end of that mix up.

[1629] But Gwen Stefani, daughter of Dennis.

[1630] Most importantly, Dennis, fucking hit me on IG.

[1631] I want to go out to lunch with you.

[1632] I want to talk Yamaha in the 80s.

[1633] I don't talk wave runners, razzes.

[1634] What was the other one he was into?

[1635] Riva.

[1636] Riva.

[1637] Yeah, we'll get into the Riva.

[1638] I'll be the first person you meet that's interested in all this.

[1639] So Dennis hit me up Gwen, such a party, adore you, good luck with everything Thank you so much I love you guys Bye And now my favorite part of the show The Fact Check with my soulmate Monica Padman You want a cookie, is that what you said?

[1640] That sounds good Doesn't it?

[1641] I had some cookies last night What kind?

[1642] Chocolate like I wouldn't call them chip It was like, you know Chunks of, yeah Was someone made on?

[1643] That restaurant The Michelin Star.

[1644] They had Michelin Cookies.

[1645] They had a Michelin Star.

[1646] Is that the same as a Michelin Star?

[1647] I want to open up a restaurant called the...

[1648] I'm going to say we got a Michelin Star.

[1649] In fact, I might start an organization to sell Michelin Stars to people for, I don't know, 100 bucks.

[1650] It always confused me that it was Michelin Tires that is the same as Michelin Stars.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] And isn't the origin or Genesis that they would create these travel guides to promote you to go drive your car with Michelin tires around.

[1653] And to stop here, we vetted these places.

[1654] Interesting.

[1655] Yeah, that's weird.

[1656] That's mixed messies.

[1657] I way prefer restaurants with Goodyear stars.

[1658] Yeah.

[1659] Your cookie was a Michelin cookie.

[1660] Yeah, I don't know that the cookie itself had been labeled that, but it was at a Michelin restaurant.

[1661] Was it so yummy?

[1662] I really want that right now.

[1663] It was a good cookie.

[1664] It wasn't so yummy.

[1665] Was it soft in the middle, crunchy on the outside?

[1666] It was nice.

[1667] It was the kind that, like, you think maybe there's too much brown sugar where it's like thin and damp you know that kind yeah i do i like when it's gooey in the middle and crispy on the happy yes that's the dream really hard to achieve it is i feel delirious yeah that was a long day to lead into a fact checkie yeah and then and all i want is a cookie who's his fact check about Gwen stephanie ding ding ding ding ding cookie Oh, right.

[1668] She loves cookies.

[1669] I'm like Delta right now.

[1670] You do.

[1671] Like you're on shrooms?

[1672] Yeah.

[1673] I do.

[1674] I feel like I'm five.

[1675] You often look five.

[1676] Oh, this is Halloween.

[1677] This is Halloween.

[1678] Happy Halloween to you and your friends.

[1679] Robots are welcome at this party.

[1680] But please don't go in the bathtub because you'll rust.

[1681] Oh.

[1682] Yeah, that's a warning.

[1683] So cute.

[1684] It's a hit new song by Devo.

[1685] Robots are welcome at this party.

[1686] We only ask that you do not go in the bathtub.

[1687] Because.

[1688] Because you will become rusty, rusty nails.

[1689] Rusty, rusty.

[1690] We need a chorus.

[1691] I just liked it because you were looking out for the robot.

[1692] Yeah, of course.

[1693] It was sweet.

[1694] I know the water looks inviting.

[1695] But you are made of metal.

[1696] and you will seize up.

[1697] Like me. It's like the snowman and frozen.

[1698] He wants to go on the sunshine.

[1699] He doesn't know better.

[1700] You're right.

[1701] We've just as old.

[1702] This is a long as...

[1703] The tale is old as time.

[1704] It's a tale as oldest time.

[1705] It also reminds you conjures up the tin man wanting a heart.

[1706] He wants to get in the tub like human boys do.

[1707] Does he?

[1708] I mean, that's what the...

[1709] Didn't the tin man wanted to be human?

[1710] He wanted a heart.

[1711] He wanted a heart.

[1712] But he didn't want to get in the tub.

[1713] But that's what boys do.

[1714] If I had a heart, I could get, if I only had a brain, that's not him.

[1715] That's the lion?

[1716] No, he wanted to be courage.

[1717] Wow.

[1718] He wanted to encourage.

[1719] It is Halloween.

[1720] It is Halloween.

[1721] Scarecrow.

[1722] He's who wanted a brain.

[1723] Oh, ding, ding, ding.

[1724] Okay, it is Halloween.

[1725] We're going to go on the hayride today.

[1726] Yes.

[1727] Are you going to tell the story of how he?

[1728] Preparing my, my trailer?

[1729] Yeah.

[1730] No, you're laughing because it was so.

[1731] boring.

[1732] And the idea that I would tell it all on here is what's making you laugh so hard.

[1733] No. We were having a lunch.

[1734] There was nothing else to talk about at lunch, so I just brought it up.

[1735] I loved it.

[1736] Okay, so my trailer, which we are probably in right now.

[1737] Yes.

[1738] Woohoo!

[1739] Has been sitting since its last voyage, which was to convey an off -road vehicle to some location.

[1740] So the trailer's sitting in the corner of the lens.

[1741] It's got a razor on it with a cover and a battery tender and all this bullshit.

[1742] So first I got to get that off of there.

[1743] First, I got to wait all day because there's a cement mixer in my yard that prevents me from getting the truck up to the trailer.

[1744] Yes.

[1745] Finally get the truck hooked up.

[1746] I get the razor off.

[1747] I sweep out the trailer.

[1748] Next order of business, the trailer has a railing that is about a foot off the deck of the trailer.

[1749] But it has posts that keep up the railing.

[1750] It's not solid.

[1751] It's not a box.

[1752] And for the hay ride, we need a box.

[1753] The hail just fall out the side of the trailer if I don't have a box.

[1754] What to do, Monica.

[1755] You tricked me here.

[1756] I am telling this boring story.

[1757] My solution ended up being finding a TV box behind the house.

[1758] I cut all the cardboard into the right shapes.

[1759] I bent it.

[1760] I nailed it to the deck of the trailer, which thank God is wooden.

[1761] I created my whole box.

[1762] Then I thought, well, that looks ugly.

[1763] You can see cardboard from the outside.

[1764] So then I painted the whole trailer so that the boxes would match the trailer.

[1765] all that was a four and a half hour endeavor.

[1766] You're leaving out?

[1767] I mean, I'm glad you're leaving.

[1768] I'm glad you're leaving out, but you're leaving out.

[1769] There's some stuff about hammers and stuff.

[1770] I didn't have many of my tools I needed because my bus has all my tools and it's in Texas.

[1771] And you had to go to Carleys.

[1772] Then I had to ride my electric bike to the hardware store to get staples.

[1773] Yeah.

[1774] Because I have an electric staple gun.

[1775] Guess what?

[1776] Didn't work.

[1777] Staples weren't long enough to attach and adhere to the base.

[1778] Okay, but it looks gorgeous.

[1779] Well, it looks passable.

[1780] Let's be honest.

[1781] No, it does look really nice.

[1782] And I ordered those arrived tomorrow.

[1783] Okay.

[1784] No, time.

[1785] Now I'm screwing up our reality.

[1786] They arrived six days ago.

[1787] They arrived two days ago.

[1788] Eight strands of battery powered lights in orange that will be flashing with other strands that have pumpkins, jackal anons on them.

[1789] So there's yet another round of work of stringing up all the lights so that it's flashing and blinking while the music plays.

[1790] And that was another thing I left you out of.

[1791] But I did spend a good hour and a half yesterday creating the playlist that'll play on the hayride.

[1792] I'm grateful to you for spending so much time creating this really fun hayride that I'm on right now.

[1793] Yeah.

[1794] And I'm having so much fun.

[1795] And I just had a seizure because of the lights, but it's worth it.

[1796] It's so worth it.

[1797] And you and I are both in Spandex.

[1798] Yeah.

[1799] I'm in a, is it Spandex or Lycra?

[1800] I'm in a panty -ho.

[1801] onesie as a cat right now.

[1802] Yeah, are you in a jump suit?

[1803] Yeah, I'm not even decided if I'm wearing underwear or not in my suit.

[1804] Well, there are kids.

[1805] Well, I know, but could you see, what's worse?

[1806] I guess to see through and see penis would be the worst.

[1807] But if you saw Miundi's sticking out.

[1808] Can you imagine if you were trick -or -treating with your guy?

[1809] You'd kill that person.

[1810] If I saw a guy in a see -through, Lycra outfit with no undies on, you're right.

[1811] You had hurt them.

[1812] Well, that's exactly why I'm currently on the hayride in underwear in my cat outfit.

[1813] That was handed to me. Right.

[1814] That's what would happen.

[1815] A guy would come with me. Hey, master, what are you thinking?

[1816] There's kids around.

[1817] Clean yourself up.

[1818] And I go, sir, I have nothing to do with this.

[1819] This was handed to me. I was assigned a costume by my children and now I'm in it.

[1820] Yeah, but I'm sorry.

[1821] Sorry, you can see my religion.

[1822] I don't know yet what I'll be wearing right now.

[1823] Okay.

[1824] Did you bail on your Apple Pay?

[1825] No, I'm doing Apple Pay still, but I don't know what I'm wearing.

[1826] Because for Apple Pay, it's just I know all black and then the button on my arm and the sign that says double click here.

[1827] Oh, my God.

[1828] Are you going to have an arrow pointing to your breasts?

[1829] No, to my arm.

[1830] Oh, okay.

[1831] Because you too could get in trouble.

[1832] If you're parading around the neighborhood with a sign that says double click here, some wife's going to come up to me like, excuse me. me, tempterous.

[1833] We don't want singles in this neighborhood.

[1834] They're so misogynist.

[1835] The wives?

[1836] Yeah.

[1837] Okay.

[1838] So I got to figure it out, though.

[1839] I am a little nervous about the boob part.

[1840] Yeah.

[1841] Anyhow.

[1842] Well, I'm looking at it now.

[1843] It turned out fine.

[1844] Oh, good.

[1845] Thank God.

[1846] Thank God.

[1847] Thank God.

[1848] It's all good.

[1849] It didn't be around anyone that's going to molest you if it says click here on your boobs.

[1850] Thank you.

[1851] But you never know who you're going to run into on the hay ride.

[1852] People are disguised.

[1853] It brings out a different side of them.

[1854] Hence masquerade parties That's what the whole point of the mask is Is you're gonna let you know That's Halloween in general Ding ding ding ding Tuesday's episode of flightless bird Halloween we talk about this sexy People would use it as a romance vehicle Yeah All right Okay couple things Kind of a ding ding ding that her episode comes out On Halloween and her makeup is bold You're right You're having a rough time with that blanket I can get comp the couch it's my no it's not stop i just sat in it when we were doing something else i was eating my salad over there and i was like yeah i see the point minimally i think i mean to put one of the cushions over there okay we could switch a cushion i feel fine with that okay okay now she talks about the dyslexic advantage the book oh um and the book is called dyslexic advantage uh -huh you just said that maybe now the the author that's what I was trying to say.

[1855] The author is, remember that author?

[1856] Oh, fuck.

[1857] Remember that hilarious?

[1858] Yes.

[1859] Well, it was a partnership.

[1860] It was three different scientists on one paper or book.

[1861] It was like a grandpa.

[1862] And a daughter.

[1863] And some hyphenated ones.

[1864] And some people's first names were the other people's last names.

[1865] I think that was the episode I read Taylor Swift's speech.

[1866] Mm -hmm.

[1867] I remember that.

[1868] Okay.

[1869] The Dyslexic Advantage by Brock.

[1870] E .D. M .D. M .A. and Furnett E .D .M .D. M .D. A married couple again?

[1871] I would guess.

[1872] Or, we don't know.

[1873] Brother and sister.

[1874] Brother and sister.

[1875] Or.

[1876] Dad and daughter.

[1877] Or dad and son.

[1878] Grandma.

[1879] Grandpa and granny.

[1880] They're married.

[1881] Great.

[1882] That makes it cleaner.

[1883] Okay.

[1884] She also talked about another book.

[1885] She said she thought it was called reading outside the lines, but it's called learning outside the lines.

[1886] That's another book about dyslexia.

[1887] Uh -huh, written by two Ivy League graduates who struggle with learning disabilities and ADHD.

[1888] I'm reading the book you told me to get.

[1889] Which one?

[1890] Far from the tree.

[1891] Oh, yeah.

[1892] Did you read it or just watch The Dock?

[1893] No, the doc.

[1894] Yeah, well, per your suggestion, I got the book, and I'm in the middle of it right now, and it's talking about his journey with dyslexia, and this was pretty profound.

[1895] It did occur to me, yeah, there's a big spectrum of how severe it could be, but I related a lot.

[1896] Well, I looked up if dyslexics sometimes add teas like you do.

[1897] You looked that up to see if that was a thing?

[1898] Yeah.

[1899] Yeah, I wouldn't know.

[1900] I couldn't find it.

[1901] But she did it once.

[1902] Oh, she did.

[1903] And I think, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.

[1904] Sure, stereotype us.

[1905] Another, it's not a stereotype.

[1906] I think it's cool if you guys all do that.

[1907] I have our own language.

[1908] Well, like, it means there is something very specific happening causing that.

[1909] Yeah, teas are popping up everywhere.

[1910] There's another podcast I listen to and one of the people thinks they might be dyslexic or there's something potential.

[1911] And I think one time he said a tea and I was like, oh, that, Dax has done that.

[1912] So maybe you are dyslexic.

[1913] Uh -huh.

[1914] What have you started running evaluation clinics and they came in?

[1915] You're like, you ever pop a tea on something?

[1916] No, okay.

[1917] And then boom, approved.

[1918] No, I'm just going to write the word addict on a paper.

[1919] I'll say, how do you say this?

[1920] And they'll say addict.

[1921] Yeah, and I'll say, dyslexic.

[1922] Yeah, next person.

[1923] Next.

[1924] Next up.

[1925] If you're dyslexic.

[1926] By the way, we know who you're talking about, you know.

[1927] Yeah, Andy.

[1928] Yeah, of course.

[1929] Yeah, you're only listen to one podcast.

[1930] No, I don't.

[1931] I also listen to who what wears.

[1932] Shout out.

[1933] I love it.

[1934] Oh, wow.

[1935] Oh, okay.

[1936] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[1937] Okay.

[1938] So you said there was a doc on basically how the Mexican culture.

[1939] It's called clown and something.

[1940] The tattoo guy's name is clown, something clown.

[1941] Well, there's a doc about this called Homikai.

[1942] Oh.

[1943] Japanese gangsta became Chicano.

[1944] Oh.

[1945] I thought that's what it was.

[1946] No, yeah.

[1947] It's called clown.

[1948] About a famous tattoo artist and a photographer, maybe also a pinstripe painter.

[1949] A clown photographer.

[1950] Maybe the tattoo artist started him pinstriping, or maybe he does both.

[1951] He's a very famous L .A. tattoo artist, something clown.

[1952] Mr. Cartoon.

[1953] So type in Mr. Cartoon doc.

[1954] Oh, L .A. Originals.

[1955] Mr. Cartoon and Estevan Oriole.

[1956] So Clown has nothing to do with that title, but L .A. Originals?

[1957] Well, Netflix is exploring the careers of influential tattoo artist, Mr. Cartoon, and photographer, Estevan Oriole with the new L .A. Originals.

[1958] Yep, that's the doc.

[1959] And it shows the kids in Japan that are...

[1960] L .A. original stock.

[1961] Yeah, there's a lot of articles on this.

[1962] There's a New York Times article on it.

[1963] And these guys love it.

[1964] Cool.

[1965] Did the Beatles play in a strip club for a decade?

[1966] You mentioned that.

[1967] In Germany, yeah.

[1968] Yeah, the Beatles first played Hamburg's pleasure zone in 1960 in a former strip club near the infamous Reaper Bonn.

[1969] Ooh, Reaper Bonn.

[1970] August 17, 1960.

[1971] Beatles got together to play their first live performance at the Indra Club in Hamburg's Red Light District.

[1972] This is pretty much the most foundational claim of the 10 ,000 hours.

[1973] This is from Malcolm Gladwell's outliers.

[1974] And there's a whole chapter about how the Beatles had played live for like eight hour shifts at this club.

[1975] And by the time they were recording, they had 10 ,000 hours of having played as a band together or something like that.

[1976] But that's, I think about the most persuasive argument in the book for the 10 ,000 hours.

[1977] thing.

[1978] Interesting.

[1979] Okay.

[1980] So you said there's a cool term in hip hop when you invite someone on your album to give them a leg up.

[1981] Do you mean featured?

[1982] Well, that's what it is, but there's a slang term for that.

[1983] Oh, fuck.

[1984] Yeah.

[1985] I mean, I tried to Google it.

[1986] Featured was what I found, which makes sense and what I've heard.

[1987] But, you know, imagine me trying to type this in.

[1988] Let me give it a shot.

[1989] Okay.

[1990] So I'm going to say hip -hop term four featured on an album.

[1991] Hip -hop slang, make sure I reference it.

[1992] Yeah, all these would require us to go through an entire hip -hop glossary, which I'm sure would be way too.

[1993] I'll keep my ear out for it.

[1994] Okay.

[1995] I'm sure I'll bump into it again.

[1996] I really liked this episode.

[1997] I really liked her.

[1998] Me too.

[1999] How humble she was.

[2000] She really gives a lot of credit to her higher power.

[2001] Uh -huh.

[2002] And I always find that sweet.

[2003] You do?

[2004] I do.

[2005] But like there's a humbleness that comes with that that I think is kind of admirable.

[2006] I admire the humility.

[2007] Yeah.

[2008] Big time.

[2009] Yeah.

[2010] But then of course there's another side of me that's like, well, no, that's you.

[2011] That's you.

[2012] So then I have another poll that's, well, no, it's you.

[2013] And it's okay that it's you.

[2014] Now, you could stay humble by saying, and I'm a product of these genetics.

[2015] this upbringing, and that's why I can do it.

[2016] But that means less sweet.

[2017] It is, yeah.

[2018] And maybe it's just because I don't have that type of relationship with a higher power.

[2019] So I don't, I can't do that.

[2020] Like, if I'm proud of something that I've done, I do give myself credit for it.

[2021] And I do give other, I mean, I give people in my life credit for it.

[2022] But I'm not like, oh, I'm just a vessel something's passing through.

[2023] And I think that's like a beautiful way of looking at your life and your accomplishments.

[2024] I don't have that.

[2025] Yeah.

[2026] I agree with you on all things, you just said.

[2027] Additionally, even if it's not God, it still is something passing through you.

[2028] All these different things accumulate in this weird mix of genetics and all these different things.

[2029] And then it does just erupt out of you.

[2030] Yeah.

[2031] And I think if you're humble, you can only claim so much ownership over that.

[2032] Yeah, for sure.

[2033] I just think what you're saying, and when I say that, it's, a different thing than what she's doing.

[2034] Like, she is, she is saying, I have nothing to do with this.

[2035] Yeah, yeah.

[2036] And I, when I accomplish something, I don't say that.

[2037] I mean, I do think there's an inordinate amount of luck, all of these things that have come together, my parent, all these things, you that have allowed for all of this.

[2038] But I don't think I am just a passenger on this ride.

[2039] Yeah, that God put you on.

[2040] I like it.

[2041] I think my hesitation is it's just so happens that it's a lovely statement because she's prolific and inspired and creating.

[2042] Yeah.

[2043] But if it's true that God can work to make you that, then obviously it's true that God can make you nothing or God can make you not inspired or not creative or not productive.

[2044] So it scares me because if it can create the one thing, then it can create the opposite of it.

[2045] Yeah.

[2046] And then to me, that's just a huge experience.

[2047] excuse.

[2048] Yeah.

[2049] So it's like, I do think it's sweet.

[2050] I agree with you.

[2051] When I hear her say that there's like this deep humility that's really sweet.

[2052] I'm overthinking it as it is as usual.

[2053] I'm overthinking.

[2054] Like if I believe in God and then I hear her and I know that what she's saying is true, then and I'm like, why isn't God doing that for me?

[2055] I don't think they're doing that.

[2056] They're not.

[2057] I don't think they are because they believe that God has a plan for them.

[2058] Yeah.

[2059] I think us saying, why isn't is happening for me is inherent in us not believing in God because we believe we have some more control agency we make our destiny wow happy Halloween happy Halloween everyone you look great in your your Spanex outfit I look great in mine we're having such a fun time right now I'm meeting I'm eating a Kit Kat right now misophonia I haven't decided yet if I'm eating candy I I prefer not to so that my skin isn't itchy and red and peely on Tuesday when we record.

[2060] So I'm not, I haven't decided if I'm making deal with the devil tomorrow morning when we're recording.

[2061] But then this is going to impact whether I get you the treat I was promising to get you.

[2062] The fruit nut.

[2063] That's right.

[2064] Cranberry, canberry.

[2065] This is a robot party.

[2066] Come on in.

[2067] wipe your metal feet on the door You may see a bath the bowl of water Do not get inside It's not for you You're not a boy But you're welcome to party here anyways Wait you forgot the rust part My favorite part Is it fighting as the pent of looks You will become very rusty If you submerge yourself Like a little boy which you are not But again, you're welcome to party all day.

[2068] Wipe your metal feet at the door.

[2069] It took you getting delirious before you could enjoy one of my songs.

[2070] I'm going to mark this.

[2071] I'm going to my game plan, strategy notes.

[2072] I'm going to be like, okay, there is a moment I can slide these in.

[2073] Wait, I love the idea of a little.

[2074] Wait, you're doing it again.

[2075] Can I come to your party?

[2076] Good.

[2077] You, I already wanted to do so much.

[2078] mud and then you had to keep going.

[2079] For some reason, that's how the robot knocks on the door.

[2080] Meep, meep, I heard the sounds of a party.

[2081] Meep, you're right, we're hosting a party.

[2082] Beep, our robots welcome.

[2083] Is this a party that welcomes robots?

[2084] You better believe we always invite robots.

[2085] okay that song is called wiping your metal feet at the door wipe your metal feet at the door you will notice there's brillo pants to get the stuff off the battle okay let's wipe your metal feet at the door by jack shud stop um um i just love the idea of a little robot wiping his feet at the door and you got to put a little bit of steel wool to get the rust off of his little metal feet.

[2086] And that's there so they don't have, or not tempted to dip their feet in the tub to wash them off.

[2087] Oh, I see.

[2088] Yes.

[2089] Right.

[2090] All right.

[2091] I love you.

[2092] Happy Halloween.

[2093] Love you.

[2094] Happy Halloween.

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