#573 - Daniele Bolelli

[0] The Joe Rogan experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[2] Ladies and gentlemen, the drunken Taoist himself, Danieli Bolleli.

[3] My friend, how are you?

[4] Pleasure and honor to be here again.

[5] Always a pleasure and honor to have you here, brother.

[6] How's going?

[7] If you hear anything in the background, some giggling, Danieli's beautiful little daughter is here.

[8] Babysitting plans didn't work out.

[9] So we'll make it happen.

[10] But I'll feel weird about swearing.

[11] well you should see what comes out of her mouth on a regular basis yeah my daughter gives me a hard time or my wife rather gives me a hard time for swearing in front of our daughters it's like there's like some period where there's a certain point in time you're not allowed to swear when they hit like 18 you can say whatever the fuck you want yeah but anything before then people get a little squirrely of course no but it's hilarious because you know you can't help it you know you're gonna listen to some music you're gonna not even crazy stuff but like oh yeah she like Kitty Perry at some point.

[12] And so I'm like, okay, whatever, you listen to your song.

[13] And then she was still a couple of years ago.

[14] She was tiny.

[15] And she goes into school and she starts singing to her teacher.

[16] And her teacher is like, oh, cute song.

[17] You have such a beautiful voice.

[18] And she started going like, you PMS like a bitch, I should know.

[19] And I was like, no, no, no. Please don't say that.

[20] Do you know the PC police is trying to take the word bitch out of our vernacular?

[21] Bitch is the latest one.

[22] Which is the new retard.

[23] I won't let go retard I don't care what you say It's not a medical term It's no It's to retard Is to slow down Is to be behind the curve To be retarded Is to be slow It has nothing to do with down syndrome Or any diseases I may have to abandon it eventually But for right now I'm fucking staying strong I'm staying strong with retard And I'm staying strong with bitch And what's bad with bitch exactly Well it's some derogatory term for females it's it's part of the patriarchy don't you understand you know you don't understand because you're a white male you need to check your privilege mr bellelli have you not checked your privilege yeah i saw your tweet about checking your privilege i was thinking about checking my privilege yesterday i didn't though i thought about it i thought about check my privilege what the fuck does that even mean you know it's a way that people can silence you I mean, that's essentially what it is.

[24] I mean, the idea behind it has some merit, you know, the idea that there are people that have privilege in life and they need to understand that.

[25] I think it's a valid term when you're talking about minorities and poor people and people on welfare and people in foreign countries that have, you know, no health care and they're poor.

[26] I believe support 100 % that.

[27] But it gets used as a crutch to silence people.

[28] It gets used as a crutch for people who lack the intellectual vigor to engage in an honest debate and discussion.

[29] They say, you need to check your privilege.

[30] I love watching videos of people that are really not that bright, but they're, like, getting involved in those debates.

[31] And they have that weapon.

[32] Check your privilege.

[33] It's like a fighter that doesn't really know how to box, but has an awesome overhand right.

[34] And they just swing that overhand right.

[35] And the other box is like, bitch, get out of here with that overhand right.

[36] I didn't see that shit coming a mile away.

[37] Check your privilege.

[38] Oh, not that easy.

[39] Your fucking argument sucks.

[40] No, and I mean, I get it because there are the people who are, oh, you know, we live in a colorblind society, everything.

[41] There is no more racism.

[42] We can all be equal.

[43] And if you are trying to argue anything but you are a reverse racist, and I can see how some of these guys are dicks themselves because they are, it's like ignoring the fact that there's a whole history behind it.

[44] And when they say, we start the race evenly, it's like, well, somebody has their shoe strings tied together from 15.

[45] years of bullshit, not for $10 .50, way more.

[46] And so it's like, no, there is no even race.

[47] That's bullshit.

[48] But at the same time, when you turn it into everything is about what happened 200 years ago, it's like, come on, man. It's a fine balance there.

[49] There's a website that a Twitter handle that I don't follow them on Twitter because I don't want them to know that I follow them.

[50] But what I did is bookmarked them and I go to her page all the time.

[51] And her thing is about being child free hashtag child free and I mean this woman's entire fucking Twitter feed is all about how happy she is that she doesn't have a child and it's one of those you know me thinks the thou does protest too much you know it's like when you go to it it's like oh my god is this your whole existence is like being happy that you don't have a child like this is so bizarre it's a bizarre hang up but that bizarre hardness is a that that's a characteristic of human beings like they can get caught up in a bunch of different weird ways of thinking and one of them can be just fucking meandering on and on constantly about racial issues oh yeah of course you know and it works by the way have you seen al sharpton's girlfriend jesus louises really oh my god that good oh my god she's a fucking 10 i mean a young 10 with her arms around this crusty old dinosaur fucking suitcase pimp I would this all sharp don't know he's dead yes seriously officially dead I don't know it's fucking thousand he's a thousand and fifty he's disgusting but he's just a creep he's just a suitcase pimp you know it's just one of those guys it's just a hustler he figured out his way through that to want a brawley case where it was some false rape accusation he was blaming all these white people it's again it's the same thing race pimp look at her ca pahow U, A, E And that's just one picture By the way, this is a weird thing that happens With people's heads When they lose weight You know, when people get really fat, their heads get big That's Al Sharpton now That's how Sharpton now He lost a lot of weight He had his stomach stapled And that's only one photo over She's 35s Yaha Yaha Good for Al Yeah, yeah What do they talk about?

[52] Crayons Shit She's not that young actually 35 is pretty she's a stylist she's beautiful somebody is not watching their little show somebody is sitting in Daniellei Bollelli's lap what are we doing are we watching little Krishna where Krishna kills demons or not she's she's done and I say hi to everybody because I'm really scared okay I'll hug you the whole time how about that you can sit in my lap watch your show this would be the first show ever where a little kid is here during the podcast.

[53] Yeah, that should be.

[54] You're so cute, I'm going to have to let it slide.

[55] I'm going to have to.

[56] You sure you don't want to watch TV or anything?

[57] What time?

[58] What time?

[59] Well, right now, it is 1 .10.

[60] You can watch TV if you want.

[61] Do you want to?

[62] She's watching her show more or less.

[63] Barely.

[64] How that goes.

[65] Yeah.

[66] When my daughter was three, it was one of the cutest moments ever, my daughter was three when went skiing.

[67] I took their skim, I'm skiing when one daughter was two and the other one was four.

[68] That's my start I'm skiing.

[69] Yeah, I just think it's good to just get kids doing shit as much as possible.

[70] That's great.

[71] I take them to dance class and gymnastics and I teach them martial arts.

[72] But I think it's good to just get them used to traveling, get them used to doing things.

[73] But when she was three, we were putting all the stuff into her little bag.

[74] And she was little bag.

[75] She carries when we travel.

[76] And she likes to pull her own bag.

[77] and she didn't have her helmet in the bag and she had everything zipped up and right when she finished it up I'm like honey you didn't put your helmet in she goes shit it's just something so adorable about a three year old going and my wife and I were just like oh no she didn't I mean the kids are gonna do it right so what happens is the deal that I struck with her was I don't care if you do it around me I get it Tell, I do it too, but you do not.

[78] There are places where you do it, places where you don't.

[79] That's cool, around other kids in front of your teachers, no. At home, so one day we were driving home from school and she let slip up something like that where she goes, da -da, shit.

[80] And I'm like, is, what?

[81] And she looked at me, he's like, don't worry, I don't say it at school.

[82] I just say it here.

[83] And I'm like, okay, that's fair.

[84] And so she sees that she had to go ahead.

[85] And so she went, shit, she, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, kind of got it out of her system.

[86] And that was that.

[87] Yeah, it's, it's, it's true.

[88] tricky because it's uh totally acceptable for adults in normal rational conversation but you know it's not in certain circles it's a it's just so that whole thing the whole censorship and language thing is such a bizarre aspect of being a human being these forbidden words that we use that essentially are interchangeable with words that are okay like what drives me crazy is when someone goes fricking this freaking guy with his freaking thing like i hate nuts oh whoa what kind of bizarre corporate world.

[89] We live with Applebee's existence.

[90] Are we floating through here?

[91] Fricking.

[92] No, I drive me nuts.

[93] I can't.

[94] It's weird.

[95] It's weird.

[96] And that's why I mean, I don't overdo it.

[97] If I can check it, I'll try, but I don't try to censor myself around there in anything.

[98] In anything that I do, it's kind of like, this is how I am, right?

[99] This is, I'm not going to out of my way to make it extra weird, but I'm like, how I am is how I am.

[100] And I like talking to kids not exactly like they are adults because obviously they aren't right but at the same time not treating them like they are fucking stupid where you just treat them like uh oh go go go gaga kind of stuff all day long it's like come on man kids are way smarter than you give them credit to and if you and if you work with them like that from the get go they will surprise you time and time again with the stuff that they can say back to you oh without a doubt i remember when i was a little kid people i still to this day remember people treating me like i was a moron and talking to me stupid I remember thinking, God, when I have kids, I'm never talking to them like that.

[101] So I talk to my kids like they're my friends.

[102] Like I'm very sweet to them, very nice, and I'm like very understanding if they're crying about something that doesn't make any sense.

[103] But when I explain something to them, I explain it to them like an adult.

[104] Yep.

[105] You know, I know their head's only that big.

[106] So can't possibly be as smart as me. But they're smart, man. They are.

[107] My six -year -old can read now.

[108] Wow.

[109] Which is interesting because I had a shirt on the other day.

[110] that said nine fucking oranges because uh i had this uh bit in my act as based on a true story where um i had my uh power cut off in my house uh because i didn't pay my bill back when i was young i was very responsible i wasn't even broke i just didn't pay my bill and so the guy came by to turn the power on it seemed like a nice guy and after he turned the power on i go hey man i had an orange tree in this yard of this house i was renting and i go if you want i go grab one of those oranges man i go they're really delicious and he goes oh okay thanks so the guy goes out there and he takes nine fucking oranges and i swear to god man i was 20 i want to say maybe 26 27 at the time that was 20 years ago and to this day sometimes i'm in my car and i'll be driving around i'll just go nine fucking oranges and i talked about it on stage and it's really true it is a true story and so this dude gave me this t -shirt at one of my shows it just said nine fucking oranges.

[111] Did you make it just for you?

[112] Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it had oranges on it.

[113] I wish I had it on right now.

[114] That's great.

[115] But I wore it for one of the shows.

[116] One podcast I wore it for.

[117] But anyway, I brought it home and my daughter goes, I know what that says.

[118] That's a bad word.

[119] Is that a bad word?

[120] That's a bad word.

[121] You got busted.

[122] Well, I didn't even know she knew that word.

[123] First of all, I mean, I...

[124] She's your daughter.

[125] Come on.

[126] At once, you know...

[127] I'm telling him.

[128] My wife runs a tight ship.

[129] Really?

[130] I try to keep it.

[131] Keep it very PG.

[132] Sure, you can try only once, but there are ties.

[133] I remember when she was tour or something, where I dropped something.

[134] And for the rest of the day, she went on repeating, duck, duck, duck.

[135] And I'm like, I'm glad you think it's a duck what I said.

[136] Yes, duck.

[137] That's what I said when I dropped it.

[138] But it's like, there's no way you can avoid it.

[139] No, there's no way.

[140] It's impossible.

[141] Yeah, there it is.

[142] Brian Callan.

[143] Brian Call and I, nine fucking oranges.

[144] You see, the fucking is covered by my name, but it is what I said.

[145] That was when Brian Callum and I got back from hunting, that one was?

[146] Before hunting.

[147] Before 58s after, yeah.

[148] We did two podcasts in a row, one before and one after hunting.

[149] We went up to this island, Prince of Wales, in the middle of Alaska.

[150] Terrible trip.

[151] Really?

[152] Well, it was beautiful, though.

[153] It was a great trip.

[154] It was just unsuccessful hunting trip.

[155] but there was what was great about it was when I came back home I really appreciated civilization oh yeah I really we slept in a tent it was wet everything was wet sleeping bag was wet it was just it was miserable was like 40 degrees just it's poured every day it was so much humidity that like inside the tent like I would turn I had this little miners light kind of thing like a forehead light I turn it on and you'd see the entire tent was filled with little floating beads water.

[156] There was just that much humidity in there.

[157] When did you guys go?

[158] Was it Sam?

[159] It was first week of October.

[160] It was too late.

[161] Yeah, it's late.

[162] Yeah, it was too late for the area that we were hunting in because the deer had already moved down.

[163] We were at the top where the water is, where the lakes are, and the deer had already moved down.

[164] There's water up there, lakes that have no fish, giant lakes, that are lakes that are only there because of rainwater.

[165] Wow.

[166] Giant lakes of rainwater.

[167] And you drink it because there's no beavers.

[168] You just dip your thing right in the water.

[169] We drank right out of the lake.

[170] That's beautiful in itself It is beautiful It's amazing in that sense Like I was prepared for diarrhea Every day I bet But it never came They were saying if you get Jardia Like you wouldn't get Jardia But Jardia It comes from animal poop And the only way you would get that Is if there was a beaver up there But you could like Run into a bear And a bear could have pooped in there You could get some bear poop in your mouth Yeah that would be Yeah I can see how it thinks Could be more fun Yeah but it's such an enormous lake The odds of you Getting any substantial amount I mean, the reality is, unfortunately, we're constantly getting fecal matter and dirt and stuff in your body.

[171] And, like, even if you're a person who only eats plants, they say that one of the best ways that vegans get vitamin B12 is from bugs that they inadvertently eat that are on their food.

[172] Just kind of hilarious.

[173] I had that the other day, I handed out this glass of wine to this lovely lady, and she grabbed it.

[174] And she was about to see it, and she looked, and she's like, oh, there's a bag.

[175] inside and she handed it back to me. And I think I was already buzzed enough that I took a look at it and I was like, just shrug my shoulder and down the bag and wine and it was tasty.

[176] It was nice.

[177] Bugs don't taste nearly as bad as people think they do.

[178] Take it for me. From my days at Fear Factor, I've eaten quite a few bugs.

[179] It's more in your head than there's anything.

[180] I mean, I wouldn't go for like nasty weird looking cockroach from outer space kind of thing, but, you know, little bugs, whatever, no big deal.

[181] I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroch.

[182] It's like the side.

[183] Remember pagers?

[184] That's serious.

[185] It's about the size of a pager.

[186] That's...

[187] Giant Madagascarer hissing cockroach, I think they're referred to.

[188] That's pretty gross right there.

[189] It's not bad, man. No. I guess, you know what it is?

[190] It's not the thing itself, is what it has crawled through.

[191] It's all in your head.

[192] Yeah?

[193] It really is all in your head.

[194] With the walls crawled through, yeah, disgusting.

[195] But the ones that we got, they were raised in a farm.

[196] You know, they were raised for movies and stuff like that and, you know, for show business.

[197] Oh, well.

[198] It's really...

[199] In that case.

[200] on the cockroaches and let's have a snack.

[201] Isn't that amazing that there's so many cockroaches, there's so much of a need for cockroaches, that there's someone who raises them for television shows?

[202] That I've never heard before.

[203] It's crazy.

[204] That's interesting right now.

[205] And they would have millions of them, man. These guys had like vats of cockroaches.

[206] Yeah.

[207] But I was around them so often.

[208] It just became nothing.

[209] Right.

[210] And I watched people eat them and, you know, I forget what it was.

[211] Oh, it was one of the girls from a soap opera, It was like a celebrity fear factor And I made her a deal That if she ate If she ate one of the cockroaches to move on That I would eat a cockroach Right She wouldn't even eat a cockroach She ate a worm Instead like I would rather eat a roach than a worm But yeah I don't know About even in my book See a worm I think is filled with dirt Yeah probably I mean they eat dirt But then again A cockroach is not exactly You know Rabbin himself day and night And taking showers I'm telling you Eating it was like It was very like no taste at all it was very mild just exploded in my mouth and I crunched it but it was very mild like if I had to if I was starving I would eat oh yeah I would eat a bowl of those things no problem if you're starving yeah I don't think there are too many things that one doesn't eat yeah it's like it makes you gag a little just because it just feels gross in your mouth but the reality of like the actual flavor of it's not that bad not too bad nice it's not no worse yeah people are saying that in other countries that bugs are becoming like a viable form of protein oh yeah they say it's really clean protein is less fattening the most other type of protein so yeah if you can get over the oh this is gross supposed to be actually good for you yeah probably not just less fat I mean how much fat is in a bug yeah I would imagine next to nothing yeah I mean they're super lean right yep yeah so they even have like cricket like snacks that you can by at like hiking places they're still like these cricket bars I've done that before there was a friend of her yeah her sound coming out of her ears okay your earbuds I was wondering what that was I thought maybe someone was outside cranking music one of these things fell off area and I need to just okay you can listen to the other one I'll just plug this one up she's so adorable it's all right man yeah I had that before with a friend of mine was from Waxaca Mexico and so one of their traditional thing they will have this entire plates filled with crickets and you know he didn't grow up there he grew up out here right his parents were all into that stuff so one day he's like i have to try have to try he orders it at his wahakan restaurant and he just look at it and i can see he's about to throw up like any second down right he's just like and i'm like come on it's not that bad and i have to say i ate them i mean you can eat them but i can think of about 10 ,50072 things that are better than that They are not the tastiest thing in the world And they look at you You know They are they are not that tiny So they have their eyes That you can clearly see I'm crunching on some cricket eye right now Is it?

[212] But why is that gross But like a lobster is okay No I feel I mean there are some stuff That I agree with you Some things are It's total social conditioning You know It's nothing else You just brought up with the idea That's normal And then it's normal But otherwise it's not It's just as weird As a bunch of other stuff Yeah because I mean, essentially, like, crabs and lobsters and crustaceans, they're really like bugs.

[213] They're bugs that just live in the ocean.

[214] They're water bugs.

[215] And lobster are one of the few things that I can't quite, I mean, the whole thing of boiling them alive that freaks me out.

[216] Really?

[217] I mean, other stuff is like, I have no problem, you know, it's like the hunting thing.

[218] You know, you go out, you hunt, an animal is free, has a good life, you kill them, you eat them, totally make perfect sense to me. boiling alive something actually involving torture to make sure that you get to eat it I feel like I can eat something else you know I can eat and again it doesn't have to be a vet I can eat I have no problem with the whole eating meat thing or hunting or any of that I feel like the degree of pain part she's like come on man well it makes you feel better they say that lobsters lack the nerve endings to feel pain really yeah it's well they also regenerate limbs so if a lobster loses a leg it just grows rack in that case yeah Bring on the lobster.

[219] Yeah, so if you really wanted to humanely eat lobster, you just hack their arms off, and they just keep letting them grow their arms back.

[220] And then eat only their claws.

[221] You could do that.

[222] It would work.

[223] I don't know how long it would take to regenerate a claw, but they regenerate the same way like crocodiles do.

[224] Right.

[225] They regenerate as well.

[226] Some lizards do.

[227] I remember when I was a kid, I went to my maternal grandfather's house by the seaside, and, you know, I would hardly ever see him.

[228] So it was kind of a new thing.

[229] And it was all really weird enough.

[230] And one day, I'm thirsty.

[231] I wake up in the middle of the night.

[232] I go to the fridge.

[233] I open the fridge.

[234] And he's fucking giant lobster jump out of the fridge and start running away because he had captured it.

[235] And he kept it there alive.

[236] And I was like, what the hell out of me forever?

[237] That's the weird thing about lobsters is that they live in the ocean, but you can ship them in a box.

[238] And they don't even have to be in water.

[239] And they get to you from Maine and they're alive.

[240] Yep.

[241] Like every day in Vegas, they have lobster shipped in from Maine to their restaurants.

[242] Just like, how the hell?

[243] Like, how the, what are these things?

[244] Like, they don't even have to breathe?

[245] I know.

[246] Like, how many days can they go without breathing?

[247] Yeah, I have no idea, but it's freaky.

[248] It's definitely freaky.

[249] Yeah, it's as freak as it comes.

[250] She needs some sort of a television show for this to work.

[251] There is a television show right there.

[252] But she's not watching it.

[253] She's more interesting to interrupt us.

[254] We should have worked this out, man. I would have brought my kids over and they could have had a little party.

[255] I know.

[256] And we just would have heard yelling and fucking play next door.

[257] I've been wild and crazy over there.

[258] Yeah, I don't know what it feels, but the one thing I do know is when you throw a lobster in the water and the water boils, they try to get out.

[259] Yeah.

[260] So I'm not buying it.

[261] Yeah, I don't buy it either.

[262] It's a little weird to me. It's like a convenient thing that people say.

[263] Yeah.

[264] It's like, no, they don't feel anything.

[265] They like it actually.

[266] It's like a sauna to them, you know, it's like they have this pleasant sauna and all of a sudden.

[267] and then they die peacefully and go to lobster heaven and all is good.

[268] They hear music.

[269] They hear music and they just expire.

[270] They want to go to their dead relative lobster who has been in your pot before and they are unite in lobster heaven and all is well.

[271] Well, one thing that is interesting about like prey animals like deer and antelope and stuff is that they believe now that like when an antelope gets captured by like a lion or something like that, that when the lion bites down on it, that its brain floods with chemicals and it almost sort of gives up.

[272] Like, it kicks a little bit, but it just sort of gives up.

[273] Yeah.

[274] And it doesn't fight, like, say, as if, like, if a lion captured, like, a predator, you know, some other predator.

[275] Right.

[276] Like a leopard or something like that.

[277] They would fight for their...

[278] Right.

[279] They would go crazy and make screaming noises and everything like that.

[280] But antelopes are just like, oh, this is just my place in the world.

[281] I'm the prey.

[282] I got caught.

[283] Okay, I'll check out.

[284] Next life.

[285] We'll try again.

[286] See soon.

[287] I want to come back as a giraffe for some shit.

[288] What's your take on that kind of stuff?

[289] Do you actually semi -believing reincarnation?

[290] What's your take?

[291] I don't not believe in it.

[292] Because I think the idea of life itself is so bizarre.

[293] The idea that we have a soul, that we have consciousness, that we can see through our eyes, that we navigate with sound and feel and memory.

[294] I mean, it's so, so, so bizarre that reincarnation is not outside of the question.

[295] I don't know if there is such a thing.

[296] as a soul.

[297] I don't know what this life is.

[298] I don't know, like, does this life, is this a finite experience where you, you're born and then you die?

[299] Or are you drifting in and out of parallel experiences every time you go to sleep and wake up?

[300] I mean, are you on the same timeline constantly?

[301] When you wake up and you have this memory of your existence in this life that you, are you sure that that's exactly how everything goes?

[302] I mean, just because all the people your life seemed to think that that's how everything goes.

[303] How do you know that you didn't go to bed last night with a totally different existence and wake up with a memory of this life that you're living right now, just completely embedded in your head.

[304] We don't know.

[305] That's like the famous Chuanse, when the butterfly, right?

[306] The whole Taoist, the sage, Chuanso was all like, they ask him about his dream and he say, yeah, this dream that I was a butterfly, but now I'm puzzled, because I don't remember anymore.

[307] I don't know if I'm really Chuan's when I was dreaming that I was a butterfly.

[308] or if I'm actually a butterfly, and this is the butterfly's dream, thinking that she's truan, and that's like the paradox of you never fucking know, right?

[309] Yeah, you never fucking know.

[310] I had a really intense dream once that was so realistic that to this day it haunts me because I was some sort of an animal, like a wolf or something along those lines, and we were sneaking up on this deer.

[311] And the deer heard like a branch snap or a leaf move.

[312] And I could smell fear.

[313] Mm -hmm.

[314] And I remember smelling fear, like smelling the tingling in this animal's body as it was thinking about bolting, as it was wondering whether or not it heard anything.

[315] And I also remember smelling water.

[316] I could smell the water that was dripping.

[317] And then I woke up.

[318] I remember thinking, like, what the fuck is going on?

[319] Because I remember there was other similar animals near me, some wolf -like animals near me. And we were, like, communicating without words in some sort of strange, primitive way.

[320] It was a very short dream, but I woke up.

[321] But I remember thinking, wow, that was an intensely realistic experience.

[322] Because I didn't feel like, while it was going on, I wasn't like, oh, I'm a person that thinks it's a wolf.

[323] You know, it was like I was in this animal's mind.

[324] Of course, it could easily be imagination.

[325] Sure.

[326] But then again, it's some of those dreams.

[327] I know exactly what you mean, because some of the things are weird.

[328] There's stuff that I know what I've experience and then sometimes there's something that clicks in that is like this is not part of my life this is what i'm feeling right now is way beyond the range of my experience this is not part of the game and that's what i find uh i find it trippy you know i find it really interesting like you ever see the movie legends of the fall yeah yeah yeah you know i really like the movie i could only watch it without one time and i could never watch it again why because it freaked the hell out there was one scene where um if you guys haven't watched legends of the fall and you plan to do it, skip the next minute because I'm going to give spoilers.

[329] Spoiler or from, spoiler from 20 years ago.

[330] Exactly right.

[331] Not exactly big spoiler, but there's that scene where Brett Spitt Brother got killed in World War I. He goes berserk and he kind of goes behind enemy lines and the next scene you see is you see coming back into camp and he's covered in blood.

[332] He has German scalps all over him and he's walking through the camp.

[333] and everybody's opening up to let him go through.

[334] Nobody's saying a war.

[335] There's this sense of, and there's the sense about him that is kind of larger than life.

[336] He has done this crazy thing of going single -handedly again, killing probably 10, 15 guys, something insane.

[337] And yet there's this sense of extreme sadness, like all that power, all that warrior ability, doesn't give him what it truly needs, which is to get back his loved ones, you know?

[338] So that combination of extreme, larger -than -life power, and total tragedy that you can't, you know, that hold that power doesn't really help you.

[339] When I saw that scene, it was so damn familiar in a way that it's not my, you know, it's not how my life up until that point I've been.

[340] He had no parallel whatsoever in my experience.

[341] And it wasn't like any other movie where I see something and he's like, oh, cool, I can kind of relate to that on some degree.

[342] And it hit me like, oh my God, I know that feeling so damn well.

[343] And then I think about it, I'm like, where do I know that feeling?

[344] You know, 20 years ago, whenever I saw Legends of the Fall, I mean, there's nothing in my life to mirror that, not even a tiny bit.

[345] Well, the imagination is such a wonderful and incredible thing.

[346] It's just so impossible to really understand the boundaries of the imagination.

[347] And people can imagine memories.

[348] I mean, there's been moments where people have been talked into remembering things by, like, through experiments, like through with, uh, you know, someone would counsel them and give them a memory of the past and then coach them through this memory.

[349] And then time will go on and they'll think that that was a real memory.

[350] Oh yeah.

[351] And what, what is that?

[352] I mean, the imagination itself is such a bizarre aspect of being a human being.

[353] The ability to like this wolf thing that I had in my mind.

[354] Essentially, that was my imagination.

[355] I mean, the only other option is what is it a suppressed memory from my genetics from a long time ago when I was some sort of an animal but you know I mean the idea of evolution is essentially that human beings in 2014 are the result of millions of years of change of natural selection of all these different slow processes that have led us to being this thing that we are today but this thing has a direct link to whatever the fuck survived from that gigantic asteroid that hit the Yucatan and was what some one and a half miles deep right like slam I think it was like five no five miles deep into the earth within the first second and a half killed everything everything larger than you know I think McKenna used the term a chicken everything larger than a chicken so just like there's a point of reference and just weird little mammals rat things survived so somehow another from 65 million years ago those weird little rat things that survived became us you see right yeah exactly all the mammals around us and everything else yeah what is you know but but there's no direct chain to any wolves there's no direct chain to any mean even the lower hominids where even the ones that ate meat they did they weren't on all four they weren't so there's There's no, I have no past with wolves.

[356] No. So, if that's the case, like, what is that thing?

[357] Is that just total imagination?

[358] Is it just the psychedelic chemicals that flood your brain during heavy REM sleep, just creating a beautiful image for you to try to conceptualize and wrap your head around?

[359] Or, are you drifting in and out of realities?

[360] Right.

[361] Are you, I mean, are you a monkey one day, you know?

[362] And then you go sleep, you wake up, and you're Danieli Balele, you have your life.

[363] and everything is normal but were you a monkey yesterday right well i'm probably some would argue that i'm a monkey right now but well everybody argues it i yeah i i mean it's obviously one of those stoner conversations that you have like how do you know not that we wouldn't know anything about that i would know i don't know what you're saying yeah but those those conversations are so common like how do you know that you know when you go to bed and you wake up in the morning you're the same person, but you don't know.

[364] And that's the weird thing about going to bed is that everyone wants to do it.

[365] Everyone wants to sleep and everyone's scared to die.

[366] Everyone wants to shut off temporarily, but no one wants to shut off permanently.

[367] Oh, yeah.

[368] This is a very, very odd existence.

[369] Because, you know, if there were any guarantees, if truly people, that's why I don't really buy a lot of the religious people who think they say, I believe in this afterlife, this and that.

[370] It's like, if you really did, you would be way more relaxed.

[371] about a lot of things in life because you wouldn't have that fear of that.

[372] It's like, what do I have to be afraid of?

[373] There's nothing to be afraid of.

[374] It would be cool.

[375] It's like, great.

[376] You know, I do my thing here.

[377] Whenever I check out, I check out and I go to this other cool place.

[378] Everything is great.

[379] There's no reason to fear.

[380] The fact that people are obviously not thrilled with the notion of dying makes me think that they don't believe it half as much as they actually do.

[381] Well, belief systems are very strange.

[382] It can really seem, in your mind, to be absolutely real.

[383] and you will explain these beliefs to someone else, and they will tell you that you're an idiot.

[384] Like, I was on a set once.

[385] I was doing this thing, and I was talking to this girl and her sister.

[386] They seemed totally normal.

[387] And then the girl, I don't remember what we were talking about.

[388] It had something to do with gay people.

[389] I don't remember what it was.

[390] It was something like about gay marriage or gay people.

[391] They were talking about how the woman was saying that it's a sin.

[392] And I thought she was joking.

[393] I really thought she was joking.

[394] Because it was a set, like a television set.

[395] She's like, well, it's a sin.

[396] I was like, yeah, it's a sin.

[397] And then I realized she was serious.

[398] And I go, so you think that God created people that are gay and then did it like as a goof, like a trick?

[399] Like, what is that?

[400] And she goes, no, no, no, you don't understand.

[401] She said that the devil's scales are covering your eyes.

[402] Wow.

[403] And I said, the devil's scales are covering my eyes.

[404] eyes I'll never forget that term that's the devil scales I didn't know the devil had scale that's when it's you know it's time to run well no no no I mean she was friendly she was just who knows man who knows it was this girl and her sister and the this the girl the one that I was originally talking to seemed totally normal but her sister was just out to Lysunch right and that's the devil's scales are covering your eyes like what it was just about gay people yeah that's no yeah that's quite freaky right there yeah but it's like people pick and chew shit man all the time i know this dude who's really religious but he has religious tattoos like motherfucker you got to read the whole bible you're not supposed to have right exactly you gotta read all of it you're not supposed to tattoo yourself but that's why in fact to me is like when people say either they are pro or against anyone religion i mean it's silly because it's like when somebody tells me they are Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever that may be, he's not telling me anything, really.

[405] Because as you say, people pick and choose what they want out of that.

[406] So one guy's way of being Christian is totally awesome.

[407] They're going to be super nice people and their belief system helps them being nicer people.

[408] The next guy, their way of being Christian, because they pick and choose the crappiest part out of the Bible, is scary as hell.

[409] And their way of being Christian is run for your life.

[410] You know, so to me, the label itself, I'm not interested in and arguing about whether one religion is good or bad, because the reality is that every one of them, you're going to find at least some good part.

[411] In some, there's a lot more than in others, but you're going to find at least a little bit that's good in just about everything.

[412] And you're going to find also tons of crap.

[413] I'm interested in which parts you pick and how those parts inform your behavior.

[414] How do how do you behave based on your beliefs?

[415] That's what interests me. Yeah, it's like the idea of drugs like all drugs are not just drugs the idea is like you know i'm i'm a religious person or i'm a christian right well fred phelps was a christian right and then there's like rupert shell drake is also a christian right you know this very two very different ideologies at work here but they're both calling themselves christian yeah and fred phelps is just this evil mean creepy old fuck that eventually died just rotted in his own filth and fucking anger yep that's exactly how it is that's Quite.

[416] To me, even the whole anti -religious view of the world sometimes gets too dramatic because it's like, oh, Christians are terrible.

[417] Muslims are all evil.

[418] It's like, do you really think every single one out of millions of people who belong to the things, they are all bad people?

[419] Come on, man. It's like, there's the nice lady who pick the parts that are all about being nice to your neighbor and charity and whatever.

[420] And that's her way of being Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever the hell it is.

[421] And it's awesome.

[422] And there's nothing wrong with it.

[423] And he's actually.

[424] pleasant and I'm sure it actually helps her life.

[425] Other beliefs, yes, those are scary.

[426] And anybody going by those beliefs, then you see it in action and is not helping a old lady across the street is chopping people set off because they don't believe the same thing you do.

[427] That's where you get.

[428] That's the freaky part.

[429] But I don't even care what it's, people again, always argue about which one is the one who does all this shit.

[430] It's not even just religious alone.

[431] Because if you look at like communist dictatorship, Nazis, they have all done in the name of, it's totalitarianism.

[432] You know, it's that idea of everybody needs to live according to my way of life and anybody who doesn't need to be squashed.

[433] That's the scary thing.

[434] Regardless of which label is attached to it, regardless of which set of clothes it's decided to wear, is the same shit.

[435] Yeah, ideologies are, they're problematic because when you force yourself into like a framework, you force yourself into a pattern, anything that's outside of that framework is like automatically not, to be considered.

[436] And when, when you have, like, rigid thinking, anytime you ever really, except, like, rigid thinking, like, hey, you shouldn't rob people.

[437] Hey, you shouldn't go around stealing.

[438] You shouldn't around, go around stabbing people.

[439] You shouldn't, I mean, there's, there's rigid things that, in a sense that, like, are pretty clear cut.

[440] It makes sense because they're causing harm.

[441] And there's, but there's also, there's ideologies that are just, you get locked into them and you're forced to think that way because of it.

[442] Like, people that will tell you that this religion is correct because this religion is the truth.

[443] Like, and they'll, they'll, they'll force themselves to, like, be stuck in that little box.

[444] Right.

[445] And you don't want to admit that you ever fucked up and lived 20 years of your life, believing in some nonsense.

[446] So then you're stuck.

[447] You're stuck in this little box.

[448] And that could be atheism just as much as it can be Christianity.

[449] Because I've met a lot of atheists, and I'm like, listen, you're in a religion.

[450] You're just in a religion called atheism.

[451] And they, like, want you to proclaim that you're an atheist, like, I know this dude that's an atheist and like he gets upset if I say I don't know, you know, like...

[452] Yeah, that to me is the most honest thing you can say is on a, about a lot about stuff of the universes.

[453] I don't know because that's the reality of it.

[454] He hasn't had any really extreme psychedelic experiences either.

[455] He's had none, in fact.

[456] He's a very smart guy, but his ideas are like only based on his own personal experiences and what he's learned and what he's read.

[457] And he's a very smart person.

[458] He's very aware of religion, but he's, like, so adamant about proclaiming there is no God.

[459] And I'm like, look, dude, I have seen things on mushrooms that are way crazier than an old man with a book checking your name in the cloud and leading you through pearly gates.

[460] And there's a bunch of people with wings.

[461] I've seen some shit that's way crazier than that.

[462] So that, I don't think that's real.

[463] There's no evidence whatsoever in my estimation that that exists.

[464] But the idea that there might be some universal consciousness that we want to.

[465] to describe as a god and it's just it's not this old man the clouds wearing robes it's just something maybe even beyond the realm of humanity beyond the realm of the possibility of us understanding i don't see any evidence for that but i'm not i'm not throwing it out yeah exactly i mean if somebody's telling you some crappy fairy tale that's obviously poorly written and it's bad screenwriting it doesn't take a genius to figure out okay that's just bullshit and i can see it but if you define God in some other way, then how the hell do you know that, you know, once you reject just the most basic, silly type of fairy tale, everything else is up for grabs because nobody really knows.

[466] I mean, the universe is, that's why to me it's kind of hard to have the discussions about religions, even like the books have written about religion, because usually people who don't like organized religion is because they are big fans of, you know, kind of a hardcore materialist worldview where it's all about what you can see and touch and nothing else exist.

[467] Right.

[468] So then you write a book that pleases those guys and doesn't please the religious folks.

[469] That's great.

[470] You still have an audience.

[471] But if you argue for something more subtle, if you argue for something that's basically not dogmatic, either religiously dogmatic or in a hardcore materialistic form, dogmatic, then you're shit out of luck in terms of fighting an audience because there's no niche that you jump into right away, right?

[472] It is not just one simple, you know, there's those group of guys that are going to be right behind you.

[473] You're asking people to be aware on a moment my moment basis.

[474] So rather than just simply, you know, buying into a dogma, spouting the ideology, spouting that this is what we believe, one, two, and three.

[475] You're asking people to live life without relying on a damn recipe that you apply at every little thing you run into.

[476] And instead, to use their nose, to use their, I sniff the situation right now.

[477] able to, in this particular case, I'm going to do this thing.

[478] In this other case, the same thing that worked two minutes ago is not appropriate and it's not the right thing to do.

[479] It's kind of like in fighting, you know, it's like there's a rhythm to things.

[480] There's a timing to things.

[481] And going with a plan, a rigid plan, going with a plan is great, but going with a rigid plan that you're not going to change regardless of what's in front of you is the recipe for death, you know, you're going to screw up.

[482] Same thing.

[483] Why would life in general be any different?

[484] rigidly applying this scheme to everything that comes your way I mean to me real talent is is manageable to judge things we can hear that unfortunately her little ear buds are picking up on the the microphones okay let's try now are you sure you don't want to watch TV that's ridiculous my kids watch TV every chance they get because I don't let them watch TV so I could always go do you want to watch some TV like sure that works uh Book that up.

[485] Yeah, this is...

[486] It's the greatest thing ever for travel, man. For travel, you put on one of those things behind the headset, and people will go, oh, why do that?

[487] Why not have your kids, like, have a conversation?

[488] She's fucking four, right?

[489] That conversation only lasts so long, right?

[490] Not only that, there's, like, educational cartoons now.

[491] There's cartoons that, like, teach them how to spell and teach them, and they can sing along with it and learn, you know, phrases and words.

[492] Have you ever heard of, uh, Well, there's atheism, obviously, but there's a thing called atheism plus.

[493] Have you heard of not what's the Atheism Plus?

[494] No tell.

[495] It's essentially a new religion.

[496] It's atheism plus a set of moral guidelines.

[497] I call it, duh.

[498] This is what I call it, duh, because it's like, it's all be a good person.

[499] Right.

[500] But I just think that's duh, you know?

[501] And maybe, like, when it comes to things like racism and these sort of discussions or homophobia or any sort of discussion.

[502] about uh inequality or treating people in a very negative way because of something that they can't control like their sexual orientation or the way the skin they have what color they are what part of the world they're from i think anybody who's a good person sees that in 2014 and recognizes that's the fucked up way to think so these people this atheism plus thing they have like atheism so they're all saying there's no god there's no god there's no god but we want a set of moral guidelines to live our lives by.

[503] No sexual harassment.

[504] The sexual harassment and feminist issues are a big aspect of that.

[505] Right.

[506] It's mostly a lot of like really weak men placating to a lot of like angry women and they formed this group where they all sort of get together and they have conferences and they just duh each other to death.

[507] They say duh.

[508] I mean it's all just the same shit.

[509] It's like it's all shit that you should already know.

[510] Right.

[511] Like don't be racist.

[512] Yes.

[513] Don't sexually harassed women.

[514] Absolutely.

[515] Don't rape.

[516] Of course.

[517] You know, don't murder.

[518] Duh.

[519] You know, like, okay.

[520] Okay.

[521] How many times can we talk about this?

[522] I got a certain point.

[523] I've watched a bunch of their conferences online and it's hilarious.

[524] I bet.

[525] Because it's so fucking pedantic.

[526] At the end of, like, you get beaten to death by what they're fucking saying.

[527] It's like, you should already know this.

[528] Everyone should know this.

[529] This is silly.

[530] And I think that depends on what audience you're speaking to, because, you know, for anybody with a semi -decent human being should have learned this by the time they are five, and it's like done and over with, are we still talking about it?

[531] Then, of course, there are a bunch of people who are not exactly semi -decent human beings.

[532] So maybe for those guys is a good message.

[533] But I agree with you.

[534] It's like, to me, my thing is like I've used this time and time again in podcast, in your writing.

[535] I always write the whole idea their rules are for people who are too stupid to live without rules.

[536] Yeah.

[537] Because, you know, if you are smart, you don't need the damn rules because you know how to make the right call in every situation.

[538] And you don't need anybody telling you, look, don't rape anybody.

[539] It's like, I don't need to tell me, I got it, you know.

[540] And in this situation and in the next and in the next, no, it's not going to apply.

[541] That's not that there's going to be the exception to the role, right?

[542] Right.

[543] Other things, there are going to be exceptions.

[544] But still, you're going to have the intelligence to be able to make the right call.

[545] Is you are somebody who's coming to mug me, they may be punching you in the face is a good idea.

[546] You are somebody who's disagreeing with me, punching in the face.

[547] You're crazy.

[548] You're a sociopath.

[549] You don't need a rule telling you when is it appropriate or not.

[550] You are able to make the right call when it happens.

[551] And that's where this freaking child is like...

[552] You're amazing that you can carry on a conversation with her squirming, crawling on you.

[553] This is not working out nearly as well as we were hoping it was going to.

[554] No, it's a little more challenging.

[555] We're hoping she's going to watch the television or watch her little video.

[556] Yeah.

[557] I can do it.

[558] I mean, sorry if it's a table.

[559] disturbing you.

[560] No, I deeply apologize.

[561] No, it's no worries, man. I honestly thought, yeah, I also had higher hopes than this.

[562] Then again, she's five.

[563] Yeah.

[564] That's my fault.

[565] Yeah, they just, they are what they are at five.

[566] Sometimes, you know, she surprised me because she'll do things that I'm like, really, how the hell?

[567] Like, I had this conversation with her the other day where she's telling me, um, I don't like that I'm so sensitive because every little thing, you know, I feel everything too much.

[568] And when I'm happy, I'm really happy And when I'm sad, I'm really sad And I'm like, you're five, really?

[569] We're having this conversation And then she goes even one step further She goes, but you know what?

[570] It's okay Because at least when I'm happy, I'm really super happy So I'll take the pain of when I'm really sad Wow I'm thinking, Jesus, who are you again?

[571] Let's try this.

[572] So, you know, I get tricked in those conversations When I'm like, way, you are way bigger than five I can take you to do this and that And then I realized, no, she's a five -year -old girl there are limits to the game but well there's there's understanding that comes with being a human being and that's what she's got just she's she's she's a human being with you know how my what is it a hundred months on the planner or something like that you know it's like there's limited not even imagine i mean imagine trying to figure the world out with a hundred months of experience and i mean a year of school or whatever she's right it's like impossible yeah but you do have that little human brain and then you're also juggling around this this collection of words that you've acquired and so you're trying to express these ideas and thoughts and feelings one of the thing that freak me out about her from the get -go is that she not exactly now because she's not picking up on the frustration of it all of the discussion but normally she has a insane level of empathy not just for a kid but like even for adults i see her like she's always whenever she sees somebody was having a bad day.

[573] It was really sad.

[574] She instantly goes to them.

[575] She's trying to, like, I've seen her at school where she'll go to a kid who's like, isn't that the kid that you don't like who's always giving you a hard time?

[576] And she's like, yeah, but I still feel bad.

[577] Look what a bad day this guy's having in this crime.

[578] And she's going to like trying to comfort them and do this thing.

[579] I'm like, Jesus, man, you're really nice.

[580] You're nicer than me, I tell you that much, you know.

[581] Maybe that's what it is.

[582] She's, maybe they, I definitely think kids recognize things that their parents do.

[583] that they don't think are the right way to handle things and they come up with their own sort of work around.

[584] It was pretty hilarious, see there in school where she was clearly quoting Bob Marley because she was going through a phase where Bob Marley was God.

[585] Bob Marley?

[586] She was five.

[587] I know.

[588] She loved Bob Marley to death.

[589] And she went to this kid who was crying because his mom had left and she was like in preschool or something.

[590] She was four.

[591] And she started rubbing the kids back as the kids is crying.

[592] And she said, don't worry about the thing.

[593] Every little thing is going to be all right.

[594] I'm like, I know where you got that.

[595] That's three little birds.

[596] That's hilarious.

[597] And then she'll have her own weird things on that.

[598] One day, she's like, she's in the car and she's asked me for the million time for Bob Marley.

[599] And I'm like, okay, no problem.

[600] What song do you want?

[601] She's like, two little birds.

[602] I'm like, no, baby, it's three little birds.

[603] She's like, no, two.

[604] I'm like, what do you mean two?

[605] It's three.

[606] No, one got shot.

[607] So now there's two little birds.

[608] And I'm like, Jesus, that's morbid, really?

[609] That's how we're going to play today.

[610] Wow.

[611] But, yeah.

[612] My daughter, who's four, keeps asking me to take her hunting.

[613] Really?

[614] Yeah.

[615] And I don't know if she's just serious or if she misses me when I go away and she wants to do.

[616] Like, she's never heard a gunshot.

[617] Right.

[618] You know, there's, I mean, there's obviously no way she's going to be able to pull back an arrow that's strong enough to kill an animal.

[619] So it's like, that's not going to happen.

[620] No, of course.

[621] But step one will probably get used to wearing gunshots or things like that.

[622] Yeah, I don't know.

[623] Um, she's just so bored.

[624] Tell me. What do you need?

[625] Why do you other time when I'll find you, you pinch?

[626] I pinch you.

[627] I pinch you because you are driving me crazy, puppy.

[628] That's why I pinch you.

[629] It was my way of saying stop square men.

[630] He's saying, settle down.

[631] Yeah.

[632] We can't put on a show for you or something like that, a television show for you to watch.

[633] Yeah, baby, actually, let's do this.

[634] Serious.

[635] Sit down and watch your show because we can't do it like this, okay?

[636] Why?

[637] Well, unfortunately, this is being seen.

[638] by thousands and heard by hundreds of thousands.

[639] The failing of Bollelli as a parent.

[640] That's today's podcast night.

[641] There's nothing failing about it at all.

[642] Like I said, it's, you know, that's one thing of becoming a father and, you know, being around kids, when I was really young, like if I was like in my early 20s, I would never be able to deal with it.

[643] Like little kids, I'd be like, ah, the guy brought his little kid.

[644] But like, when I'm on a plane and like little kids crying, it doesn't bother me at all.

[645] Really?

[646] It used to drive me crazy.

[647] But when you have kids, it's one of those things where you kind of recognize, one of things that happened, the big shift that happened is I started thinking of everyone as being a baby.

[648] At one point in time, like one point in time, King Jong Il was a baby, you know?

[649] Right.

[650] That's fucked up.

[651] Yeah.

[652] You know, like Ediamin was a baby.

[653] All these weird people in the world, you know, that fucking pristorious guy that shot his girlfriend through the bathroom door.

[654] That guy was a baby.

[655] Yep.

[656] Okay.

[657] You know, all these creeps and fuck -ups.

[658] assholes, babies.

[659] Gloria Allred was a baby.

[660] That was a cute little girl.

[661] Now she's fucking robbing people.

[662] Using the law, just straight up rob dudes.

[663] How much do you think is, how much do you believe in, whether it is DNA or a soul or something, like something that's purely uniquely about that person when they are born and that's part of how they are?

[664] Or how much is culture, you know, the famous nurture versus culture debate.

[665] What's your take on what's more important?

[666] I don't know.

[667] Well, they have done studies where they've taken twins that were separated at birth, they were adopted, and they get them together after not seeing each other entire life and they find out they like the same kind of music.

[668] Really?

[669] Yeah, they have very similar likes and dislikes.

[670] Their personalities are very similar.

[671] There's a strong argument for nature over nurture, but there's no denying that nurture plays a huge role as well.

[672] I don't think it's either or.

[673] I think we live in a soup of possibilities, and I think that you can get super lucky with the amount of exposure that you have to positive and even to negative things.

[674] Like there's an expression, hard times make good people, you know, and I do believe that in a certain sense that there's some experiences that children and adults even have that they get through, and it makes them more empathetic, it makes them kinder, makes them more understanding, and it makes them more understanding, and it makes them.

[675] them stronger, like more character.

[676] Even that way is funny because you're right, I mean, there's part of that argument that's totally true and you do see that happen a lot.

[677] And then you see somebody who goes through the exact same thing and it makes them 10 times more of an asshole.

[678] Yeah.

[679] Because it's like, I got hurt.

[680] So I'm going to hurt everybody else in the process and screw them.

[681] And it's like, that's where you think, like, what is the make this one person make a right turn and go in a direction where they become kinder and nicer because they felt what it is to get hurt?

[682] And what is the other one make the complete opposite.

[683] turn and go in a direction of, I got hurt, so I don't care for anybody else's feeling everybody has to pay for the fact that I got hurt once.

[684] It's weird, right?

[685] It's like there's that moment where you can really make a 90 -degree turn one way or another.

[686] What is the make, people make the choices they make?

[687] It's a very good question, and it could be, a lot of it could be genetics.

[688] I mean, they're epigenetics.

[689] The concept that people are passing down ideas through their DNA to their children is, is not without merit the idea that your ideas that the lessons you've learned in your life are not just stored in your brain but are stored in every cell in your body and also stored in your genetic material that passes on to your woman who gives birth to the baby and the baby has the genetic material from both the mother and the father I mean all that is is real stuff man right all that is those are all absolute real possibilities and it's really incredibly fascinating the idea that we are this, you know, soup of possibilities.

[690] We do exist in this very strange world of so many different things going on at the same time.

[691] And there is something to, yeah, you're right, because that's the experience part of it all where you get some kind of traumatic experience that really changes your makeup the way you are as a person, as a human being.

[692] And it's like, and at that point the kind, I mean, I've seen it even on myself, not, I'm dealing with it right now.

[693] I see how my brain has changed over the last three, four years.

[694] In some ways, in a good way, in some ways, really not in a good way.

[695] What ways in a bad way?

[696] I think I do have, I didn't think so, but now I'm coming to the realization that I do have some serious PTSD, you know, we're seeing, you know, my wife dying my arms, wasn't quite as, oh, I can deal with it.

[697] Sure, I rationally understand the shit happens and everything else, but it did affect me to a different level.

[698] So to give an example, I'll see that.

[699] But because the way it started with her is like when she got sick, the first thing that was was like a tiny little thing.

[700] It was like, oh, my shoulder hurts.

[701] It's like big deal, right?

[702] It's like, well, you went to the gym and you lift that too much, whatever, something.

[703] Seeing that transform in a matter of weeks to, oh, man, I can't move my arm anymore.

[704] Oh, I can barely walk, death, all of that in such a short period of time.

[705] Now, every time there's something wrong with my body, I don't just think like, oh, look at that weird little symptom that I'm having.

[706] My mind immediately races through the whole sequence, and I'm like, I'm going to die tomorrow of some horrible, terrible disease.

[707] And he's like, I know better, right?

[708] I know that that's stupid and I know that that's, if anything, that's like projecting things that are definitely not helping and if anything, they are damaging.

[709] And I still can't help it.

[710] You know, there's still part of my brain that even though consciously I know it's stupid, I still go there every single time there's something wrong with my body.

[711] Wow.

[712] And so it's like, man, what do I need to?

[713] to do to change that, you know, because it's almost like Pavlo's dogs, right?

[714] This conditional response is immediately the second something goes their path.

[715] I go with it.

[716] And, you know, there are moments where I have control over it and I can kind of come to this place that's because I've seen horrible things can happen any moment, I actually transcend it and I'm like, look, I have no control over anything, so let's have fun right here right now because what the hell knows what happened tomorrow.

[717] Right.

[718] That's the empowering part of it, and I love it when I get that.

[719] And I don't love so much the other one, which is that terror of, oh, shit, something's going to happen.

[720] Which, you know, inevitably something's going to happen at some point, right?

[721] I mean, everybody dies, everybody gets sick.

[722] That's just the nature of the business.

[723] But having that in the back of your mind as a sometime paralyzing thought, that's a whole different game.

[724] That's a part of the problem with being a human being, isn't it?

[725] The awareness.

[726] Yep.

[727] The awareness of the finite nature of your existence and the fact that it's coming, whether it's tomorrow or 100 years from now.

[728] It's coming.

[729] You know, if you told someone that they're going to die in a thousand years, I'll still freak out.

[730] Of course.

[731] Of course.

[732] Like a thousand, that's it.

[733] That's all I have.

[734] Yep.

[735] Every year passes, it's nine hundred ninety -nine left.

[736] And, I mean, that's just, you know it, but there's somewhat removed, right?

[737] There's that intellectual, existential anxiety.

[738] And then there's existential anxiety of sort of, like, people who have seen, whether because of war or sickness or whatever, people close to them die in horrible ways.

[739] It's not just an intellectual or.

[740] some point in the future or something bad is going to happen is it's in the past something but it's going to happen and any second now can happen that's not a fun way to live no it's not the best way it's not it's not good in any sense of the word it's um living in the moment and being happy in the moment is very it's a it's a very difficult thing to do it requires it requires discipline and it also requires that you develop like a pattern of thinking yep and you get that's one of the things we're talking about with young people like they automatically start blaming the world and hating on people for whatever has happened wrong to them.

[741] I'm going to fuck make people feel the way I feel.

[742] There's patterns of thinking that you can fall into, like almost automatically.

[743] And once you have that pattern, it's a cut groove.

[744] And that groove is very easy to slip into.

[745] It's very comfortable.

[746] It's very simple.

[747] One of the things that psychedelics do is pull you out of that groove.

[748] They lift you above the motherboard and you get to see what the groove is.

[749] Oh, this is just a pattern that I've created.

[750] And it doesn't, not only is not empowering, it doesn't even make sense.

[751] I'm going to live my life a fucking disaster.

[752] I'm going to 60 more years of this, and then my fucking heart's going to stop beating, and I'm going to die an asshole.

[753] And that's very easy to fall into.

[754] It's very easy.

[755] It can happen to all of us.

[756] Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[757] I was just going to say, it's very hard to reset.

[758] And even when you do reset, it's hard to continue that new pattern.

[759] It's like it requires great discipline.

[760] And sometimes you've got to write things down.

[761] Writing things down is big.

[762] Right.

[763] You know, writing things down, reading things, positive affirmations.

[764] Nobody likes the idea that you go over someone's house and they have fucking all these things written on their walls.

[765] So like, today is a new day.

[766] Today we're going to go forth with strength and dignity.

[767] But doing stuff like that actually can benefit you.

[768] It can.

[769] It can.

[770] writing things on walls and, you know, having positive affirmations can help you.

[771] Yeah, because, I mean, some stuff, just because you know it doesn't mean that you don't need to hear it again and again to really internalize it.

[772] Because, you know, most people know, I mean, if you have read books, if you have been alive long enough, you probably know what there is to know you have heard it before.

[773] Yeah.

[774] The difference is transforming that from intellectual knowledge into actual, it's part of your being, is part of something that affects how you behave.

[775] both Aubrey and Amber Lyon gave me the lecture about psychedelics multiple times now regarding this is what you need now Amber Lion is a fascinating case boy she has I've never met anybody that I gave the suggestions to like I gave to her where they just fucking ran with it like she did that shit changed her life Amber is a trip I didn't meet her before so I don't know what the before look like before she was a very rational serious journalist who is very concerned about the future of humanity and our culture and and journalism because she had seen the ugly side of the beast where she had reported on some horrific events in Bahrain and when she got back and tried to put together the CNN piece they instead put out this fluff piece like almost like a tourism propaganda video for Bahrain Bahrain depending on how you say it but then when I talked to her about Iowa Which, by the way, I've never even done.

[776] I totally go do ayahuasca.

[777] That was the funniest thing of the story that Amber tells.

[778] He's like, I'm in the middle of the jungle.

[779] I'm about to down it.

[780] And they say, you know that Joe never done it, right?

[781] She's like, but I've done DMT a right dozen times.

[782] At least, probably, 9, 10, or 12.

[783] Yeah, something like that.

[784] But this is the same thing.

[785] I mean, it isn't, but it is.

[786] I mean, it's the same psychoactive substance.

[787] In fact, DMT, the smuggable form is a stronger version.

[788] of ayahuasca, but ayahuasca tends to be a long spiritual trip, which I thought would really benefit her, you know, that she was struggling from it.

[789] Right.

[790] And it sure did.

[791] I mean, again, I haven't seen the before, but the after is insane.

[792] I mean, I'm very seriously one of those people that...

[793] She glows.

[794] Yeah.

[795] Every time I engau with her, I feel happier.

[796] She's a drug.

[797] You know what I mean?

[798] It's like being in the same room, improve the level of happiness.

[799] Yeah.

[800] I'm amazed by her every time.

[801] I'm just like, are you for real?

[802] I mean, it's like, I have never.

[803] I can think of too many people that I've met that are that happy.

[804] Yeah.

[805] Well, she's doing psychedelics every couple months.

[806] I mean, she's fucking hit it so hard.

[807] From the moment I met her, like, I guess it was like two plus years ago, more than two years ago, because we didn't have the studio.

[808] So from that moment on when she went to the, I mean, she went to the jungle like a fucking month after I brought it up, maybe even less, went to.

[809] Well.

[810] And even though they told her I didn't, had never done I awaast, she still fucking dove right in.

[811] I think I knew that I told her to do it and I knew that it was the thing that she needed and some people really need that they need to go to a place and they need to experience this thing in this very alien form and it's so transformative because of the fact that you're in that place you know I mean I'm sure I could probably benefit from it but my what I like to do I mean my thing I have a sensory deprivation tank in my basement so I'm sort of experiencing as removed as the jungle might be, I'm removing myself from reality itself on this daily basis.

[812] Not to say that I wouldn't still benefit from it, but I wouldn't subscribe what I do.

[813] Right.

[814] You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't prescribe, rather.

[815] I wouldn't say what you need to do is get a tank filled up with water and you trip your fucking balls out and climbing that thing.

[816] I'm not doing that.

[817] Right.

[818] You know, I even have friends that come over that don't want to do the tank.

[819] They're like, I'm not getting in there.

[820] Why?

[821] What's so scary about it?

[822] I mean, Reality is in that fucking thing.

[823] Oh, because they...

[824] This big fucking meat locker of reality.

[825] You know, I need to do them more.

[826] The times that I've done it, I mean, I've always liked it.

[827] I always felt great.

[828] Sober or no?

[829] Yeah, maybe that's my mistake.

[830] Have you been sober?

[831] Maybe the first time is good to do it.

[832] But now it's time to...

[833] You know amateur.

[834] Right.

[835] Gotcha.

[836] You know amateur.

[837] Float tank with an asterisk.

[838] Gotcha.

[839] The asterisk is very important because whatever the asteroid can do, the asteroid can do in regular life, it's multiplied 10 -fold inside of there.

[840] It becomes, especially edibles.

[841] Edible marijuana becomes a full -blown psychedelic experience inside the tank.

[842] You know, I can deal with edibles for some reason.

[843] 11 hydroxy metabolite, that's what it is.

[844] Maybe that's the, because every time I've tried edibles is either too little where I don't feel it, or I feel like somebody grabbed the biggest basketball bat in the universe and just slag me across the head.

[845] Not pleasurable, not fun, just like, oh my God, where am I?

[846] what the hell is these those are my favorite trips really you dig those i do i don't think them why they're happening yeah but when they're over i learned the most from them i like i like being scared like that because i know i'm going to be okay but i don't know i'm going to be okay why it's happening no i think i got trauma when i was maybe 15 or 16 something like that i did this i remember making this tea with ashish and we got a little carried away because they were supposed to be a bunch of people doing that and it turned out to be only two of us so the those that was supposed to be for like I think it was like half a gram per person and instead it was two and and a half gram per person that's a lot so by the time we down it you know an hour goes by with teddy balls is also messy because you don't feel it right away so an hour goes by and you're like nothing happening two hours goes by I'm like really nothing still what a waste we throw that stuff away I go to sleep I wake up two hours later and I'm just like who am I where am I and I pass out and I open up my eyes again I'm like who am I where am I and I pass out and the next six hours go on like this where i basically lose consciousness 70 30 seconds and i wake up with this who am i or am i thing after that i was like yeah i don't think i'm doing too bad yet even in other times that i've done it was always not quite the bad but close and i'm like yeah i don't think addibles are are meant for me well there's there's so many religions that have cannabis and cannabis eating as the base of their religion right hinduism there's so many passages in ancient Hindu scripts and like if you look up if you look up on on like Wikipedia you could look up the entheogenic use of cannabis and shows all these different times where people have used cannabis as a psychedelic like not just oh or smoke a joint relax but when you eat it you have these profound visions if you eat enough like McKenna used to say that eating like large doses of marijuana was equivalent to eating large doses of mushrooms right just a matter of having the courage to eat too much go that route yeah you never get the crazy hard fast heart rate on on edibles you can yeah because you don't get a fast heart rate but you get this panic sense like i'm never going to sober up oh but but not as a physical thing pure because i felt it as a physical thing like i've done you get a like a heart yeah where i feel my heart start pounding where I'm just like Jesus I'm going like 120 bits per minute or something which if you're not doing exercise that's a bit much I bet it's anxiety that probably is that probably is because it brings on a lot of anxiety oh yeah heavy duty edibles make you really reconsider it's it's very difficult to live in the moment on heavy duty edibles because it forces you to examine problematic aspects of your past behavior assuming you still have enough lucidity because they're really times.

[847] I'm just like, I'm not examining, I'm not examining the table.

[848] I don't know.

[849] I am.

[850] Yeah.

[851] Oh, yeah, you can go too deep.

[852] Yeah.

[853] I've done that with, not too long ago, with, you know, the Rick Simpson oil.

[854] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[855] Which is supposed to be great for health and everything.

[856] The thing with the oil is that unless somebody's preparing it for you in capsules or something, it's such a guesswork of trying to figure out which one is.

[857] How many drops you can put in?

[858] Yeah, so I've done it where I take a tiny bit and I feel nothing, and I'm assuming mean it's healthy, but whatever, I'm not feeling anything.

[859] And I take a tiny bit.

[860] And one day I take a tiny bit plus a minuscule tiny micro drop more.

[861] And I'm like hitting the trees, right?

[862] I'm just way out there.

[863] And I'm like, whoa.

[864] Well, it's also who's making those things.

[865] Right.

[866] Of course.

[867] It's not, you know, being made in the same place where they make Tesla's.

[868] Yeah.

[869] Yeah, that's part of the problem.

[870] That's why with itself, you know, when it's the plant, you can kind of figure things out.

[871] And when you're smoking it, you can sort of feel.

[872] how it's going and you can up it or stop it.

[873] Edible says you take it and an hour later you're in for the surprise to see what it's like.

[874] I was listening to this radio show the other day where people were complaining about marijuana being stronger than it was when they were kids, like this guy in his 50s who just recently tried marijuana again and he was talking about how he overdosed.

[875] I overdosed on marijuana and I swear to God.

[876] How do you exactly over?

[877] I almost went to the hospital.

[878] I mean, I barely got through it.

[879] I mean, you can't overdose.

[880] It was like going on like about the pot.

[881] today, it's just dangerous.

[882] Like, shut the fuck up.

[883] What are you taught?

[884] Like, the fact that someone can go on the air and say something like that.

[885] That's bullshit.

[886] It's, it's not just like, you could put a bad thought in someone's head and they really believe that they could die from it unless they have a computer.

[887] How many people have died from there?

[888] Zero?

[889] Ever?

[890] Oh.

[891] Never?

[892] I'm going to be the first one.

[893] I'm going to be the first one to die.

[894] Oh, shit.

[895] I'm going to fuck it all up for everybody else i'm gonna be the first one to die like there was a guy who died in colorado because he jumped off a roof and they were trying to get rid of edibles because one fucking dip shit jumped off a roof but even then the thing is every single substance that's out there is uh even the most hell water if you drink too much water you can die from it right i mean it's like everything is how you use it who's using it what's the context every tool cars everything skateboards everything is how you lose it i mean if we if we if we based what kills you, you know, what's illegal, we would literally make everything illegal.

[896] Oh, yeah.

[897] Cars should be number one, right?

[898] How about computers?

[899] People have died from using computing.

[900] Computers are blown up on people.

[901] Right.

[902] And they've died.

[903] Right.

[904] Cell phones have blown up in people's pockets and they've been gravely injured.

[905] I'm afraid of me here.

[906] Does anyone who died from a cell phone?

[907] Let's find out.

[908] Well, let's, I'm going to say yes.

[909] Killed by cell phones.

[910] I'm going to say yes.

[911] I'm going to say killed by cell phones.

[912] Well, you're finding out about the cell phone.

[913] Let me take care of the tiny monkey.

[914] Don't answer the call while charging urban legends.

[915] Man takes woman's cell phone after she's killed by train.

[916] Wow.

[917] That's dark.

[918] Man killed by cell phone explosion.

[919] Okay.

[920] Let's see.

[921] Gizmodo.

[922] Man killed by cell phone explosion.

[923] A Korean man was apparently killed by his LG cell phone today.

[924] And this was, by the way, in 2007.

[925] they probably got old shit back then he was carrying the phone in his shirt pocket when it exploded puncturing his heart and lungs it happened in north chung chiyong province of korea as the man was working on a construction site he was found dead by one of his co -workers whoa do you think his parents or his family got some money wait this was north korea yeah no south korea south korea yeah it says a korean man north chung chung it's just as korea it doesn't say north or south korea i'm assuming it's south korea yeah because in north korea i think they're about 252 years away from seeing cell phones yeah this is yeah no kidding right poor bastards that's like the one of the craziest things about 2014 that we still have a real live communist dictator running an entire country that's terrified of this little goofy chubby moon face motherfucker i know who's the son of another goofy chubby moon face motherfucker.

[926] Yeah, it's stuff like that, just, yeah, or the ISIS guy.

[927] I mean, things that really belong to the Middle Ages, then you're like, really, we're still doing this shit, come on, really?

[928] This is where, and on one end, you know, you see humanity and we are so damn advanced and we are doing these amazing things.

[929] And on the other end, we're doing still the same shit that we're doing 2 ,000 years ago.

[930] Those ISIS guys are, they release videos on YouTube, too, graphic, horrific videos on YouTube, and then they don't get pulled.

[931] Until, like, you know, weeks later, people find out about them.

[932] Like, I don't know how, like, a video gets pulled from YouTube.

[933] I mean, someone has to flag it, I guess.

[934] Yeah.

[935] And, like, maybe they're only sending it to the people that they know or whatever.

[936] And they'll survive a while before.

[937] But somebody put something up, like, check this shit out.

[938] And I went and clicked on a link.

[939] And I was like, Jesus, this is on YouTube.

[940] I know.

[941] These guys shooting each other, shooting these guys while they're on the ground and then cutting their heads off.

[942] Like, oh, very, very graphic.

[943] And I was like, I can't believe this is on YouTube.

[944] There's stuff out there that makes you, I've seen one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen was this one thing in, like, somewhere in Africa or somebody suspected of being witches.

[945] And so they grabbed these three people and set them on fire and you see them.

[946] After a while, I was like, you know what, why the hell am I watching this done over?

[947] You know, I know it happens.

[948] I don't need to see it in.

[949] It's nuts.

[950] It's like a video straight out of the 1300s or something.

[951] Yeah.

[952] In 2014, is all the progress that we've gone through to get to this point in age.

[953] And there's still some people that just, you could take them, you could shove them back to the year zero, and they would fit right in.

[954] Perfectly comfortable, yes.

[955] Yeah, it's, well, there's that thing going on with human beings, man, that spectrum, that, the broad spectrum of behavior where it almost seems like you have to have, like, shitty people to appreciate the good people.

[956] Like, I wonder if there's ever going to come a time where there's a legitimate biological utopia where, like, human beings, like, where they, achieve some form of enlightenment where everyone has reached the duh stage.

[957] You know, we're talking about like this atheism plus.

[958] Like they, they've rattled this on to themselves, but they should know better.

[959] They're all fucking educated and going to conferences and stuff like that.

[960] See, it's like they're preaching to the choir, essentially, or propping themselves up on a nice moral high ground in front of their peers, but there's going to come a time where the whole world is like that.

[961] Right.

[962] Is that possible?

[963] That would be.

[964] And I get, you know, what you're saying about, you need the bad people to appreciate the good people.

[965] If there's a general improvement of humanity going in a more pleasant direction, we don't need the bad people.

[966] Just give us a DVDs of showing us what this is what the bad people experience is like.

[967] And then you go, whoa, really?

[968] And, you know, make people very, have a lot of empathy.

[969] So you watch movies and you get almost like the experience without having actually to deal with it.

[970] Because the whole rationale that you even hear religiously about how you need evil in order.

[971] to appreciate the good.

[972] To what degree, man?

[973] Because when you look about human history, there has been so much evil.

[974] That is like, really, I could actually do it with one hundred of that.

[975] I will learn the lesson.

[976] I don't need to learn that same lesson over and over again in such brutal, nasty fashion.

[977] Yeah.

[978] There's something about the design of human history or nature, for the matter, because as you say, multiple times, I mean, when you look at nature, it's like, it's not a soft, fuzzy, happy animals running around the forest, This brutal is fangs and clothes on the whole thing.

[979] And it's like, yeah, maybe if it's about appreciating the good stuff, there would be a gentler way to go about it.

[980] Do we really have to go to this hardcore to make it happen?

[981] Yeah, nature is the most vicious motherfucker of all.

[982] Yep.

[983] My friend was telling me about watching this bear, kill this female bear.

[984] He was watching his grizzly bears.

[985] They were observing them.

[986] And this male was trying to do.

[987] trying to mate with this female grizzly bear and the grizzly bear didn't want to mate with them she kept pushing him off and yelling on him right kept trying so hard to get her to mate with him but she didn't want to do it right and then a new grizzly bear a new female came into the picture and the new female came into the picture and started trying to get him to mate with her right and he got angry that she was distracting him so he murdered her in front of the other bear just tore her apart just like that just ripped her to shreds and he said it was the craziest thing because all of a sudden this bear had its feet up in the air and it was just dead.

[988] Right.

[989] Like within seconds.

[990] Like a few seconds ago, it had wandered into the camp, you know, or into this little valley where these bears were and tried to get this bear to me. And he's a biologist.

[991] Right.

[992] So he was, you know, observing this stuff, or if he's not a biologist, he works with biologist.

[993] And he was observing this stuff.

[994] And he said it was one of the most disturbing things he's ever seen in his life.

[995] He's a hunter.

[996] He's lived his whole life hunting.

[997] And, you know, death is a normal, natural part of life to him.

[998] but this, to him, freaked him out more than anything he'd ever seen.

[999] I bet.

[1000] Because he said it was so brutal and it was so instantaneous.

[1001] You know, it's just really crazy, man. Did I ever tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks?

[1002] Ducks?

[1003] I didn't tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks.

[1004] I don't think so.

[1005] I have to tell you that.

[1006] So, you know, cute little ducks, they are adorable.

[1007] I remember seeing ducks being born, hatching out of an egg, and I'm like, I never eating egg again.

[1008] You know, I'm never eating duck again.

[1009] And poor little, you know, you got into this romanticized, cute, fuzzy thing, right?

[1010] And then I start reading about ducks that apparently male ducks are particularly fond of raping female ducks.

[1011] But this is where it gets interesting.

[1012] So they go, I'm sure maybe you have seen them in these super high -speed chases where the female is running and there's like two or three male running flying right behind her.

[1013] And during this high -speed chases, occasionally the female take the wrong turn and she crashes into something.

[1014] a tree or a wind or something and then she break her neck and die immediately but you know body is still warm so the wannabe rapist ducks on Portsuits decide ah what the hell we don't want to waste this so and they just got on and have sex with the dead corpse after that I'm like ducks are back on the menu motherfuckers because you guys are mean and horrible and I'm going to eat you again maybe they should show that to all those people that are trying to keep people from eating fogwa right you know that's a weird thing that california has california has a law where you're not allowed to eat duck liver but you can eat ducks yeah because they were force feeding these ducks get their liver to grow and people found out to be unbelievably cruel i guess crueler than killing them right and eating them like force feeding them to get their livers to grow larger was crueler than killing them and eating them i'm fucking okay i mean you know the stuff that's done in raising animal at an industrial level tend to be pretty fucked up which is why even people whine about that but they do anything related to whether you have leather or you eat any kind of meat is ridiculous because it's like hunting is a lot cleaner that way you know you let an animal have its life be free and everything else commercial farming yeah there's some nasty stuff happening at the same time you know there are limits to how far you want to take it because there's there are not too many simple clean painless easy ways to do things that still deliver the goods that people rely on.

[1015] So it's a very, that's why it's the same thing as the stuff we were saying earlier.

[1016] Any kind of dogmatic position about this?

[1017] Either the screw animals, they are just here for us to use, and who cares whether they suffer horribly or the poor little bunnies, you can't touch anything.

[1018] They are both ridiculous, right?

[1019] They both have a point, and they are both ridiculous, if taken too far.

[1020] Have you ever seen the video of a woman?

[1021] She walks into a restaurant and tells everyone in the restaurant that what they're eating is is not food, it's violence and she goes in, she tells everybody about her little girl, I want to tell you about my little girl, and it's a chicken she's talking about, and her name is Snow.

[1022] Have you seen it?

[1023] Have you seen it, Jamie?

[1024] Oh, let me find it for you.

[1025] We should play it because it's just so ridiculous.

[1026] No, that's not food, it's violence.

[1027] Are you done, kid?

[1028] We can, we can, we can, we can, we can, we can end this.

[1029] And next time you come by, uh, I'll bring my daughter, daughters, and we'll have a little party.

[1030] They come back.

[1031] Vegan rant goes viral.

[1032] This isn't food.

[1033] It's violence.

[1034] Pull this up and, and we'll, uh, have you seen what Bill Cosby did yesterday?

[1035] I, you know, it was just that in your body right before we started.

[1036] Lord, if you don't know what's going on about Bill Cosby.

[1037] Bill Cosby I'm going to be very careful how I phrase this Allegedly has raped a large number of women And allegedly has drugged these women and rape I mean I find it hard to believe that 13 women would make something Right That's a large number I mean there would have to be some massive conspiracy Dating back to the 1970s as just now being uncovered So he put this thing on his website yesterday Like me Go ahead and meme me with a photo of him and you know the meme being the the print that you can add a meme generator and his said happy monday and these people just went crazy i mean it it went it got so ugly like i mean one of them was like one the first one was like more than a dozen women have accused me of rape like how can i hear you say no because he's got like headphones on what do you mean you're pressing charges i mean it's it's these are the mild ones but i mean what was he thinking you know he's a fucking idiot what the hell was he think or a lot of people believe that um someone who works for him did it on purpose really yeah that someone who works for him knew that it was going to like someone who is like a website designer yeah we got to think like website designers a lot of times younger people and maybe even a woman right you know who like was like this fucking piece of shit i can't believe i'm working for him or a guy who's sympathetic to what's going on and says look how do I get this fucker that would actually be genius that's what happened that's great I mean they put a bunch of them that were like really cute right his on his website like they they took some of the ones that people had created that were PG rated but the amount that were rape related was staggering well of course I mean what's if like in the news what has been like what have you heard about him in the news over the last year has been this story, right?

[1038] So it's like, of course that's what's going to pop up.

[1039] Of course that's what's going to happen.

[1040] And no one is pressed charges.

[1041] I wonder how you could, because it seems strange, you know.

[1042] It seems like if you don't have the physical evidence, like, but you have 13 people telling a similar story.

[1043] I wonder how that works.

[1044] Depends also from how long ago it is.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] Because that's also...

[1047] Statue of limitations?

[1048] Is there a statute of limitations on rape?

[1049] I mess it You know what, I think it is I think it is I think there is Isn't that what save That seventh heaven guy That's exactly what It is right There's a statute of limitations That's what I think there is Why is there's a statute of limitations On something so horrible I know I know It becomes tricky though Because of course Once you wait to report it It's all physical evidence Is gone And then you have to rely On a lot thinner kind of evidence That's a lot harder To make the case There's also that The thing about memory that we discussed earlier that human memory is one of the worst pieces of evidence you could ever get.

[1050] There are people that I have had experiences with where they'll go, hey, remember when we did this and did that and blah, blah, blah.

[1051] I'm like, we never even did that.

[1052] Like, what are you talking about?

[1053] I was never even there with you.

[1054] No, you went with us.

[1055] I'm like, listen, man, I've never been to South Dakota.

[1056] Stop.

[1057] Like, it didn't happen.

[1058] Or they remember the wrong state or they remember.

[1059] I mean, people's memories are fucking terrible.

[1060] They're awful.

[1061] Do you have this video?

[1062] Yeah, yeah.

[1063] Okay.

[1064] We'll play this and then we'll give her a chance.

[1065] look at she looks she's done we did like an hour and a half that's all good like you got to see this watch this video put your headphones on so you could hear this though but it's not plugged in anymore yes of course hold on a second give it a chance did she yank it out of course okay we'll just play this and then we'll end it this is just so ridiculous this woman walks in this restaurant and there's a whole group of people behind her she walked into a restaurant what people are eating.

[1066] I have a little girl.

[1067] She was very abused for her entire life.

[1068] She was terrified.

[1069] She has a very determined look in her eyes wherever she goes.

[1070] And she was hurt and abused her entire life because of this establishment and because of establishments like it.

[1071] She was locked away.

[1072] She was hidden.

[1073] She had nobody there for her.

[1074] She was crying.

[1075] She was scared every single moment And because her usefulness had run out She was going to be killed Someone was going to murder her And I can see you smiling And I can see you laughing But to her this is not funny I went in there with other humans And I took her out of there And if I hadn't she wouldn't be with me right now She would be gone Just like I'd this restaurant Chickens don't have milk Dummy Dummy.

[1076] My little girls made the snow.

[1077] She's a beautiful It's violence.

[1078] This is the best part.

[1079] They all come in and they all have a sign.

[1080] Like, it's not just to say it.

[1081] They have to have a sign.

[1082] They hold up a sign.

[1083] It's not food.

[1084] It's violent.

[1085] Please think of her name.

[1086] These meek, fucking pathetic people that are just so lucky their ancestors ate meat to get them to 2014.

[1087] idealistic little kids I love in this video that you have Was it the temptations in the background Same my girl And you're like You have this old mellow That's perfect But it's crazy She has just determined Look at her eyes She goes no she doesn't Okay Her expression never changes She's a fucking chicken God damn Crazy lady That is one of my favorite videos Ever Because she's just so bonkers Like I see you smiling Gee I wonder why we're smiling Maybe because you're kind of crazy, you're walking into a chicken restaurant with more people and Jamie's right, there's more people came with her that were in the restaurant.

[1088] Right.

[1089] She wants to caught it at like two in the afternoon, some off hour.

[1090] Right.

[1091] It's like, it was just so strange.

[1092] But she's a little girl, she has to determine look at her eye wherever she goes and she just wants to live and people are eating her eggs.

[1093] Guess what?

[1094] I eat my chicken's eggs and they don't care at all.

[1095] You know why?

[1096] Because the eggs don't become a chicken, you fucking dunt.

[1097] Yike.

[1098] Just eggs.

[1099] When you have chickens, You can have chickens as pets.

[1100] They provide you with free protein.

[1101] You give them food, and they give you protein that doesn't hurt anybody.

[1102] It doesn't harm them.

[1103] They have chicken.

[1104] They lay eggs every day.

[1105] Right.

[1106] This idea that, then, you're there milk.

[1107] No, no, no, no, there's no chicken milk.

[1108] I've never seen chicken milk.

[1109] And if there is a stay away from me. Don't breastfeed.

[1110] They don't breastfeed.

[1111] But this, you know, that is the spectrum.

[1112] That's the spectrum.

[1113] I mean, sensitivity is important.

[1114] And understanding of nature is important.

[1115] I mean, I've been accused of, especially lately since I've, the last couple of years since I started hunting, of being cruel, of doing it because you enjoy killing animals.

[1116] I don't at all.

[1117] I mean, I enjoy hunting.

[1118] I enjoy bringing home the meat.

[1119] I actually, I think that the killing of the animals, the worst part of it, the fact that you're able to take an animal out of nature, though, like in the most natural environment possible, like, if I didn't exist, that animal would be doing the exact same thing until I came along.

[1120] There was no influence whatsoever on its life, and then all of a sudden, boom, it ends, which is going to end by wolves.

[1121] It's going to end by, especially where I was.

[1122] I was up in Canada where they have, they have so many wolves up there.

[1123] They have no limit on how many wolves you can shoot.

[1124] Serious.

[1125] That's that big of the world's population.

[1126] Huge population problem.

[1127] Huge.

[1128] Like they have elk, they have deer, they have moose, and wolves are just killing them left and right.

[1129] When we were up there, we actually came upon, we saw all these ravens.

[1130] that were floating around this one area.

[1131] So we're trying to figure out what it was that they were attracted to.

[1132] So we went over to it, and we found this moose calf that had been torn apart by wolves.

[1133] This is the moose calf.

[1134] I'll put it up on my Instagram later so you guys can see, because you're not going to be able to see this camera.

[1135] No much left.

[1136] But this, oh, it's just mangled.

[1137] It was crazy.

[1138] And it was wolves.

[1139] Wolves had taken it from its mother.

[1140] Right.

[1141] And they just figured out a way to get a hold of it and just ripped it apart and devoured it and there's hair all over the ground and everything that's the reality of that life the wolves get it and then what's left the coyotes get that and then what's left you know any other scavengers get that that is a much more likely death than by hunter yeah the hunter death is the least likely yeah yeah absolutely and in that sense again to me is like everything is going to die as long as you're not doing where you are wiping out the species and as long as you're not doing where you are adding unnecessary pain to the process then that's the nature of the business well what this woman is doing by running into that restaurant and say it's not food it's violence like you're kind of you're missing the whole point you're missing it's not violence it's they're ending life so that you could eat it and yeah it's kind of a crazy way to do it because we're detached from it you're right about that yeah but again that's like a shitty communication strategy because I'm sure she can have part of a point where she's right because there are issues with commercial farming that are nasty.

[1142] Terrible.

[1143] But, you know, there's a way to communicate it where you or I would be like, oh, you're right, you make a good point.

[1144] So maybe we can tweak the lows a tiny bit to do it in a more humane way.

[1145] Totally agree.

[1146] You go like this, you're preaching to the choir.

[1147] You only have like 10 other people who feel the exact same way you do agree with you.

[1148] Even if somebody's 80 % your way, they're going to look at you and go like, whoa, you really went off the deep end there.

[1149] Well, she's emotionally unbalanced.

[1150] And on top of that, that leads people to want to kill more chickens.

[1151] It really does.

[1152] I mean, I have this guy that I'm friends with up in Alaska, or in BC, rather, that runs this hunting camp, and he would get these death threats from people because they would be hunting wolves.

[1153] Right.

[1154] And the reason why they hunt wolves, they had one of their cows torn apart by wolves.

[1155] Right.

[1156] These 30 wolves got a hold of a cow and ripped it apart while the people were in the house and they're hearing...

[1157] Right.

[1158] They look out the window and they see this.

[1159] wolves bringing down a cow and kill that is crazy stuff man to look out your window and see this two thousand pound animal get taken out by this pack of wild murderous animals it's pretty it's got to be pretty cool but also pretty goddamn terrifying that and people do get killed by wolves and they certainly did in large numbers back in the day which is why the little red riding hood the big bad wolf we don't think about that today because it's not an issue but there was many many times throughout history where wolves had killed people.

[1160] If you Google like wolf deaths by people, before we had eradicated like large populations of the wolves, there was actually a ceasefire in World War I. Yeah, I remember that story.

[1161] Yeah, the Germans and the Russians actually called a ceasefire because so many of them were getting killed by wolves.

[1162] They said, all right, let's just stop killing each other, fuck these wolves up and then go back.

[1163] Then we can go back to killing each other.

[1164] Yes.

[1165] That's how nutty wolves are.

[1166] So the, These people were sending this guy death threats, and he said, every time you send me a death threat, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts.

[1167] Right.

[1168] And so they stopped sending him death threats.

[1169] They stopped posting it.

[1170] This woman was like, I'm going to post on your page every day.

[1171] If you ban me, I'm going to make a new name.

[1172] And he goes, okay, every time you do that, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts.

[1173] Silence.

[1174] Yeah, I figure.

[1175] That takes care of business.

[1176] I mean, there really is a way of communicating where it's just like, you think it's funny, you don't you?

[1177] She thinks it's fun.

[1178] Yeah.

[1179] Yeah.

[1180] Ha -ha, shooting the gut.

[1181] Ha -ha.

[1182] So funny.

[1183] I mean, there's really a way to communicate that gets the job across.

[1184] It's like most people like to communicate in a preach to the choir kind of way.

[1185] Most people will communicate in a way that's not considering where you are coming from, the person they are talking with.

[1186] They're only considering where they are coming from.

[1187] And they want you to feel what they're feeling and think what they're thinking only.

[1188] They want to force their ideology on you.

[1189] In that sense, like veganism or vegetarianism is sort of a religion just like we're talking about atheism plus is a religion so is being a Christian and so is being a Mormon and you know it's like it's ideology it's all it's all thought processes you could label it you can call it a religion you could label it you know call it a cult you could call whatever you want sure but it's just thought processes thought patterns that you you want other people to think you don't want them to express themselves and you can look at it from their point of view no you just want you want them to know and you're right this is not food it's violence no it's food it actually is food it's fucking chicken and I'm about to eat and you're you crazy bitch you came in with all these meek fucking low blood sugar freaks holding up signs thinking you're gonna change the world you're not changing shit go get a job what are you guys doing here at two o 'clock in the afternoon how are you feeding yourself do you have jobs what are you doing your fucking parents are putting you through schools that's going on here and the thing there is like how many people's minds have you just changed by doing zero zero so it's like even if you believe that you're 100 % right in your message go back to the drawing board and look at that what you just did is bullshit because it doesn't lead to any single person being convinced so figure out a better communication strategy because you suck yeah she needs to get on some ayahuasca the fucking elves would let her know chickens are going to die no matter what bitch yeah I last time I did DMT I asked them about hunting I asked and they were like okay whatever that's literally what they said I went okay whatever I went into and I had this this thought in my head I was like is hunting and is it is it morally acceptable is anything wrong with hunting they're like it's fine cares they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like it's all dies everything dies it all goes into this thing and they're showing me all these you know this fractal reality and uh i felt silly for asking that question that i have to tell you about that my one and only DMT experience which was pretty fun because i did it with duncan And, you know, Duncan is hitting it and he's like seeing God in the universe and he has this beatific smile on his face and he's just like, ah, it's, and I'm just like, I'm looking at him and I think you are the goofiest bastard I've ever seen and I'm just laughing my ass off, but I'm not seeing, you know, I'm not having the same.

[1190] And I keep hitting it.

[1191] So I'm like, there should be.

[1192] And at one point I think, whoa, my perception is changing.

[1193] I am beginning to a vision because I see that Duncan's ceiling is all war.

[1194] than weird.

[1195] And then eventually I come down from the experience and I realized that Duncan's ceiling is really just warping weird that is just So wasn't working on you?

[1196] I was working in the sense that it was like the biggest it was like the biggest weed high in the universe I had like big body high you know I felt it really like sinking into the couch and melting into the couch and I felt it that like everything was hilarious but I did not have a single visual nope no one and you know I took as much as Duncan did and again he was out They're, you know, spacing out with the creators of the cosmos and having a discussion.

[1197] And you were, like, passing it back and forth.

[1198] So it's like you're getting at the same time.

[1199] That's what, you know, they do say that there's a certain percentage of people who doesn't work on.

[1200] And I'm sure that maybe, you know, the next time you take one more.

[1201] I mean, even with it's like a lot, a lot.

[1202] He was after a while, I was getting mad.

[1203] I was like, come on, man. He's like, you know, it's like, but I've seen it even with weed where I'm like, I'll smoke.

[1204] I'll take a hit of weed and in the afternoon or in the evening and I'm like, I barely affects me. It's pleasant, you know, it's really pleasant, but in a very mild kind of way.

[1205] If I do it before lunch, I'm in another universe.

[1206] I did it once.

[1207] I met this horrible mistake with David Seaman, like before a podcast.

[1208] He offered me a hit and I took a hit and I didn't eat before.

[1209] And all of a sudden, I mean, in the middle of this podcast that he's like, I hear him talk and he, I hear that his voice is coming, the sentence is coming to an end.

[1210] And I'm just like, oh, fuck.

[1211] I have no idea what I just said.

[1212] I don't know what I'm going to say.

[1213] Oh, my God.

[1214] That's so funny.

[1215] It's still me. Same substance.

[1216] One hit versus 10 in another case.

[1217] And the 10 were, it's like, I don't know, man. It's also different kinds of weed, too.

[1218] It is.

[1219] You can get a hold of some really strong stuff.

[1220] But that's the DMT thing's weird that it worked on Duncan and not you.

[1221] Yeah.

[1222] I wonder if maybe it's one of those things, man. One of those things where you have that thing where you don't, it doesn't work on you.

[1223] I don't know.

[1224] maybe we'll find out I'll report after the next one young lady you have amazing patience I'm very impressed with you we're going to end this podcast now because you're just going to squirm yourself into a coma you weren't a kiss can I give a kiss now give daddy a kiss all right Danielle you're awesome next time we do this let's do it again and we'll bring my kids and we'll have a little party you we hear a bunch of screaming back there much more less boring Much more less boring.

[1225] I agree.

[1226] What I'm going to do?

[1227] Speaking, I was going to say, Dad, can you now take me home?

[1228] Yeah, that's how we're going to do it.

[1229] All right.

[1230] Thank you, brother.

[1231] And your podcast, let people know how to get a hold of you on Twitter and your podcast.

[1232] D. Bollelli, as in my first initial, Daniel, as in D, B -O -E -L -L -I on Twitter.

[1233] And then a podcast is The Drank and Taoist with a T, T -A -O -I -S -T.

[1234] If you just look up, Danielebolelli .com, which is.

[1235] Daniel plus an E at the end, B -O -L -E -L -L -I.

[1236] That probably refers you to everything else, so that would be the easy route.

[1237] And I'll just throw out there now.

[1238] I'm working on a second podcast that's going to happen at some point.

[1239] If you dig hardcore history, you may dig this one playing with.

[1240] But, you know, that's, right now is on the back burner because I have to finish writing a book.

[1241] I have to 17 ,000 things to take care of.

[1242] But hopefully by the beginning of the year, something moves.

[1243] Beautiful.

[1244] All right, man. Thank you, brother.

[1245] I really appreciate you coming on here, and especially under tight circumstances like this.

[1246] We'll make it happen next time, okay?

[1247] I'll bring my kids.

[1248] Thanks so much.

[1249] A little kid party.

[1250] Sound good?

[1251] Yeah, you like, mother.

[1252] And then, let me have to go.

[1253] And then have to go talk, talk.

[1254] Good night, everybody.

[1255] We'll see you tomorrow.

[1256] Tomorrow we'll be on with Dr. Mark Gordon, who's going to talk about traumatic brain injury and post -traumatic stress disorder in soldiers.

[1257] We're actually bringing on one of his patients.

[1258] We're going to talk about his.

[1259] experiences and hopefully we could help some other folks out there that are experiencing a very similar similar situation so tomorrow much love see you soon