#523 - Jim Norton

[0] The Joe Rogan experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night All day What a week Young Jim Norton has had What a week What a week serious satellite radio has had What a week Censorship has had What a week Anthony Coomia has had What a week all the people online They love the bitch and piss and moan and complain And get very excited When something fucked up goes down Yeah Well something fucked up went down If you're listening to this, if it's some time in the future, because these recordings will be saved forever, this is today's date is July 17th, 2014.

[1] Approximately a week ago, Anthony Coomio was taking photographs, Anthony of the Opian Anthony Show, which our pal Jim Norton is also part of, was he was downtown in New York, taking some photographs, and from there on, it's a bunch of, you know, what he says and what I'm sure the woman who, beat the shit out of them, would have a different story, but he was taking some photographs.

[2] One of the photographs was of this, what are those things called when you, those things were you walked through.

[3] Scaffolding?

[4] He was walking through the scaffolding.

[5] A woman was coming towards him.

[6] It looked like he was just taking a bunch of cool photos of New York.

[7] There's a bunch of them that he put up on his Instagram.

[8] Anyway, this woman got upset that he was taking a photo of her, probably thought that he was Pervin, got mad at him, violence ensued.

[9] She hit him.

[10] And he went on Twitter and went on this rant about violence, about the black community and their propensity for violence, about this woman calling her an animal, which she did.

[11] And Sirius fired him, and which left a fucking huge hole in my entertainment world.

[12] The O .P. and Anthony shows my all -time favorite radio show.

[13] I listen to it all the time.

[14] And now all of a sudden, it is no more.

[15] Yeah.

[16] It's a, you know, it's a huge hole, too.

[17] No one panicked like me Because Opie and Anthony both have kind of fuck you money Jim Norton doesn't So selfishly thinking I'm like well there goes everything Because the show's done Well you are always going to be great Because you're a funny comic And you can always work and you never have to worry about that But It is a crazy thing That you know all the sudden Like that For things that he said on the show A hundred times I think what happened was he tweeted Like he told I talked to him multiple times since then he was walking and people don't believe that he was actually taking legitimate new york photos that was one of the points of contention people like he was being creepy but he really wasn't like anthony has had this giant Hubble like camera in the studio um every day for probably six months now he's getting into photography it's what he's been doing so that was not unusual at all to hear he was out and about taking photos that's legit and i guess this woman got angry and i i talked to him and he said that she just said something like you you know this white boy's taking my picture white motherfucker, whatever she said, she clocked him.

[18] And he kept defending himself.

[19] And as he's putting his arms up, she is going, don't touch me. Like, you know that thing that a woman might do to prevent you from hitting her?

[20] And you could see how frightening that would be because then people think you're beating on this woman.

[21] Right.

[22] So he's putting his hand up.

[23] And, you know, I know aunt well enough to know.

[24] He's not going to just punch a woman in the face.

[25] So she's doing that.

[26] And I think a few black guys came around and they didn't do anything to Aunt, but they were like, you know, don't touch her.

[27] so um you know and who is always armed and he's licensed to carry um didn't hit her it didn't pull out his pistol and uh went home and i guess was really upset and went out on like you said a twitter rampage and um i knew it was bad the next morning when i saw it because my ex -girlfriend called me and she's like what happened with anthony got beat up by a woman and i don't know so i looked and i saw the tweets i'm like oh i actually texted him about one of one I don't think I've ever done that before.

[28] There was one that I texted around like, is that, you're all right, man?

[29] He's like, yeah, I'm fine.

[30] I'm like, okay.

[31] It was scary.

[32] Wow.

[33] Yeah, the thing about Ant is he's developed this sort of style of communicating on the show where he goes on these long, hilarious, entertaining, profanity -filled rants.

[34] And there's one thing about hearing it, but there's another thing of, like, seeing it in a text form is just not the same it looks things don't don't look good in print certain things and i think what happened was is in the middle of like when you have you have a contextual conversation it's like you have people there's inflection there's another guy next to you going well hey what do you mean by that and then you're clarifying it or it's just it's a different energy when you're tweeting and you're that mad like i think he like any type of an assault even if it's a woman hitting you and it's not life -threatening is still like you know an hour later, you're like, what the fuck just happened?

[35] Like, I think it just freaked him out.

[36] And she hit him a couple times.

[37] Five times or so.

[38] And she sent me a picture of his face.

[39] And he had like little, you could see that he had been struck.

[40] I mean, he wasn't making it up.

[41] And so he went on.

[42] And when I looked at the flow of things, like, I know Anthony.

[43] And I know what he's saying.

[44] He was not calling all black people animals.

[45] He wasn't, because he's never said that.

[46] He's talking about a behavior of this woman.

[47] And I think that what happened was he was so mad.

[48] And when you're tweeting that aggressively and you're just, you're fucking dealing with this in your head, that sometimes things come out jumbled and muddied and like if you know aunt you know what he's saying people who don't know him are reading this going what does he mean he's saying that there's violence in black people and they're animal like people are putting these pieces of a puzzle together and they're making a picture and it was like it just I know him well enough to know that in a conversation if someone said are you trying to say black people are animals he would go no not at all it's a behavioral based you know I mean because he said that about white people too so I mean it was just just one of those things where once it was in print, even in context, we lie as a country.

[49] Like, you know, like when Cancel Colbert came out, the activist knew the context that he was making those Asian jokes in and didn't give a fuck.

[50] She still wanted to sink them.

[51] She's like, no, no, I get it.

[52] He was trying to, you know, show the difference between the same thing between this and Native Americans and how ridiculous is, but I don't care.

[53] So we've gotten to a point now where we don't even pretend to not understand the context anymore.

[54] We admit that we understand the context and we go after people anyway.

[55] So something like this is bound to sink you because it can be taken both ways unless you actually sit there and talk to the guy and each tweet has to come out like a film.

[56] Each tweet has to be a beginning, middle, and end with no explanation needed around it in order to be survivable.

[57] Right.

[58] Well, you know what?

[59] The big key to what you said that it could sink you.

[60] Well, it only sinks you if you work for a company.

[61] And in my opinion, that's unnecessary.

[62] In this day and age, it's unnecessary.

[63] And I think you guys, and I think Anthony for sure, would be far better off with a podcast.

[64] Anybody can get a podcast and put it on their phone now.

[65] Everybody's phone has a little jack that sticks into your car and you play your phone through your car.

[66] Everybody has that now.

[67] I mean, it's not an uncommon thing.

[68] It's more common to have that jack than it is to have satellite radio.

[69] Most people have to get a satellite radio thing installed in their car.

[70] Most people already have that jack.

[71] Right.

[72] You know, it's just, it's so goddamn easy.

[73] And I bet you could get all the same sponsors.

[74] I bet you could get all the same sponsors, and you would have no middleman.

[75] And you don't, look at the studio.

[76] It doesn't take much to put something together, you know, a little bit of time, a little bit of effort.

[77] You know, you got to know someone who's an engineer, know someone who knows how to put the stuff together and set up the microphones.

[78] But other than that, what's the difference between this and satellite radio?

[79] I'll tell you what the difference is.

[80] Nobody can fucking fire you.

[81] You can go on some cunt rampage.

[82] that fucking animal, and no one, you know, people might say, I'm not downloading your podcast anymore.

[83] Right.

[84] But at least you have the opportunity to communicate, to explain yourself.

[85] And if the people decide that they don't like your character based on one thing that you said or one rant that you went on, that is their decision.

[86] But it's not the decision of a company.

[87] And when things get, you know, companies are squirrely, man. They have fucking shareholders and stocks and they have responsibilities.

[88] And all you need is a few slackivists that start.

[89] web pages and, you know, fire Anthony and Anthony Coombe, we're going after those sponsors, we're going to let them know, we're boycotting, we're blah, blah, mostly just noise, mostly nonsense, mostly just soft targets, but all you need is a few of those and a fucking, a company will panic.

[90] They do, what happens is, you know, it's a billion dollar company.

[91] So you get guys like, you know, Scott and Jim who runs it, who, you know, they're just, the Fourth of July weekend was coming.

[92] And then all of a sudden they're getting phone calls from the New York Post.

[93] and the Washington Post and all the press obviously has a narrative and they did a shit job but the Washington Post I thought was the worst offender with the way they covered it because the woman wrote things that was just really it was revolting to read which she was talking about Anthony saying that these guys came around and she was saying like you know oh well I guess if a bunch of African American or however she said a bunch of gentlemen want to defend someone from defaming an African American woman it's okay like that's what was happening she wasn't acknowledging that Anthony was being hit she acted like that these guys had read his Twitter feed and not like it.

[94] It was just like she read the Twitter feed in the future.

[95] In the future.

[96] It was repulsive.

[97] Well, a woman who looks like the fucking fake deaf interpreter from Mandela's funeral is beating on Anthony.

[98] But the fake deaf interpreter is a fucking, that's a meme.

[99] That guy's a meme.

[100] He's rules.

[101] But the company, these guys just get, all of a sudden they're just, they're home and they're getting phone calls in the office the day before vacation.

[102] So what are your comments?

[103] And they probably weren't even that familiar with it until they're getting calls from the paper and they're like, what do we do with this?

[104] And then this is what the press does.

[105] And this is why you've got to hate it.

[106] Because I think Sirius was going to try to write it out.

[107] That's my opinion because they knew a holiday weekend was coming.

[108] And this is purely a guess because no one was saying anything.

[109] And then all of a sudden the press starts going, we have not had a comment from Sirius Satellite Radio.

[110] So we're assuming that they agree with Mr. Kumi's opinions.

[111] They do this sneaky shit to push you into defending yourself.

[112] So now the company with shareholders, like you said, has to go, well, how do we tell people that we don't agree?

[113] It's not like the press has made them do it, but the press understands how to corner you into giving a statement, a definitive statement, because they know that you're not used to this.

[114] They know that these guys come into work in management positions.

[115] They're not used to getting phone calls going, how do you feel about this statement and that statement?

[116] You know, it was really, it was a very frustrating thing when I saw what the press did with it.

[117] That, to me, is always who my biggest complaint is with.

[118] Always is with the press.

[119] There's no nuance to the way they report on certain things like this.

[120] Because there's nuance to this, especially if you look into it in character, in context, rather.

[121] If you understand that guy and you look at him, look, there is a problem with violence in the black community.

[122] To pretend there's not a problem with violence in the black community is to pretend that there are insane amounts of murders going on in Chicago.

[123] To pretend that there's not issues with the amount of black people that are in jail, the percentage.

[124] of the population.

[125] Now, are those economic problems?

[126] Are those problems related to upbringing?

[127] Are those problems?

[128] Yes.

[129] Education.

[130] Yes.

[131] Absolutely.

[132] There's a lot of fucking disparity.

[133] There's a lot of problems with poverty.

[134] There's a lot of problems with the structure of our culture itself and that you could attribute a lot of those problems to racism, to racism in the way that funds are allocated, the way that, you know, the attention that society puts on impoverished communities.

[135] Absolutely.

[136] Institutionalized.

[137] Yes.

[138] But to pretend that it's not a problem is ridiculous it's fucking ridiculous so when he's taking a picture of some chick and she starts punching him i think he's allowed to talk about the problem with violence with that community with the community that this person is from that's beating him up did he do it the right way no absolutely not did he do it in a way that could be misconstrued or construed or interpreted as racist absolutely did yeah he did he fucked up he did it the wrong way he probably shouldn't done it on Twitter.

[139] You probably should have made a video.

[140] You probably should have made a video explaining, showing what happened to him, and explaining what goes on.

[141] Explaining, and this 140 fucking characters thing is a big part of the problem.

[142] Dude, absolutely, that's exactly what it was.

[143] Because Anthony is so good at clarify, whenever you talk about race, or a million other things, whether it's religion, it's so hard to make your point without stepping in shit and then having to go off on 50, uh, digression.

[144] It's like, no, no, that's not what I meant.

[145] No, that's not what I meant.

[146] Like, you know, that's the worst part of discussing stuff is that people jump in on the side.

[147] What are you saying that all people do, all black people?

[148] No, I'm not.

[149] So in order to be able to get your point across, you have to walk a narrow, you almost have to close people's argument doors, like a get smart episode as you're walking.

[150] This way your point gets through.

[151] And Anthony is a genius at doing that, a genius at it.

[152] because we've debated race so many times on the show.

[153] And him and Patrice would go back and forth.

[154] And Patrice loved Anthony because he said, Anthony's an adorable racist.

[155] Patrice was so funny with it.

[156] He never was upset by Anthony's opinions because Anthony would listen to him and they would go back and forth.

[157] Half the times Patrice was right and half the time Anthony was right.

[158] But on Twitter, I think like in that emotion, when you're saying X, Y, and Z, I don't think he did as good a job as he should have done of closing those doors behind him, almost like sealing off things that people can get to you on because he was so upset because he had had a physical assault.

[159] And I know it sounds like I'm talking in circles and just defending my friend, but I've been with him for 10 years in this medium of totally uncensored.

[160] And I'm telling you, I know him well enough to know that he's got weird things where he'll talk about race and people misinterpret him and I've talked to him privately and the guy does not hate black people and I know that that's just all his friend's defending him but I'm telling you that he does not because I know him well and then to hear people going he hates black people it's like he's not afraid of being misconstrued or interpreted as racist he's not afraid of it by saying what he really believes is his opinion about certain aspects of a group whatever race a gender whatever it is he's not afraid of speaking his mind about things because he's got that fuck you money that's a big part of it and he's got a hundred and fifty thousand guns those are two things and you know a big part of it that drove me fucking crazy is people are not, they're not taking into account the reaction that someone has when they get assaulted.

[161] Yes.

[162] Because when you get hit by someone, some fucking stranger that you don't know hits you, especially when you've got a gun.

[163] You've got a fucking bullet -launching gun.

[164] You've got a thing inside you that has explosions.

[165] You press a trigger.

[166] Explosions propel bullets and they end lives instantly.

[167] And Anthony is an expert with one.

[168] And he has it on him at all times.

[169] And he's getting hit.

[170] And he's like, what the fuck?

[171] And so he gets on my fucking animal, bitch, fuck you, this, that.

[172] You know, it's getting hit is a very disturbing thing.

[173] It's, I mean, there's one thing to get hit in a sparring session is infuriating with people.

[174] You know, I've seen people go fucking crazy because they get choked out in a jujitsu session.

[175] Getting punched is way more traumatic.

[176] Getting punched by a stranger multiple times.

[177] taking a fucking photograph.

[178] I don't know what the exchange was between the two of them.

[179] I don't know, you know, if he was saying something that was infuriating.

[180] I don't know.

[181] I wasn't there.

[182] You know, I'm not going to pretend I was there.

[183] But, man, you've got to take into account the reaction that people have when you hit them.

[184] And it would, to me, and again, I hate to keep going back to the press, but they didn't focus on the fact that he, like, he handled himself properly in that, because I know I would have, I don't know if I would have pulled the gun in that moment, but I'm a panicky Pete.

[185] and I would have just when other guys were coming over I would have at least brandished it and he acted physically responsible like as a as a fucking guy with a pistol on him because people get shot all the time for dumb arguments and dumb things he handled himself absolutely right and lost his cool once he got home and people didn't take the press didn't take that into account they harped on the fact that he didn't get a police report and I wished he had now in hindsight because they're all going Mr. Coombe you did not get a police report but here's the deal had he got a police report but here's the deal in a police report, they would have just ignored it.

[186] They wouldn't have said, well, at least he got a police report.

[187] They would have glanced over the fact and then said, yeah, well, anyone can get a police report.

[188] So they were just using that as a reason to kind of ignore the fact that he got hit.

[189] They're like, we didn't see a police report.

[190] All the press harped on the fact that he didn't get a police report.

[191] But answer response was, look, man, you know, I know enough cops to know that me getting hit by some lady in Times Square is not a fucking priority for NYPD who's worried about terrorists.

[192] Yeah, especially if he's fine.

[193] I think there's a real issue also with what the press, with a lot of people in the press, I'll clarify that, what they're trying to do is they're trying to close those get smart doors as they write a piece as well.

[194] And as they're writing a piece, they are also trying to placate all the people that are going to be up in arms about their opinions, if they could possibly be supporting a racist, if they could possibly be taking his side, agreeing with him, seeing his point of view, they could be misinterpreted or they could be interpreted as being racist as well.

[195] So they have to worry about that as well, especially if you're with a liberal rag, you know, if you have a very liberal newspaper that you work for and they have a clear agenda, which a lot of them do, the Washington Times does, right?

[196] Right?

[197] Washington Post does.

[198] There's a lot of them that have a liberal slant.

[199] And if you are reporting for them, you know, and it's something like this that's very controversial and something where there's there's a bunch of things that automatically have like a knee -jerk reaction to them.

[200] And this is one of them, knee -jerk reaction to what's conceived as racist, perceived as racist.

[201] Yes.

[202] And another thing that they do that's even more enraging is they, what people who write for the press now have to do is it's not just reporting what happens.

[203] happened.

[204] It's how do I editorialize under the guise of being impartial?

[205] And they do that a lot, too.

[206] And that I don't like either.

[207] It's like, that to me is the worst crime they commit, actually.

[208] It's the editorializing as they're going along like it's legitimate.

[209] Like NBC, and I'm not a Zimmerman fan either.

[210] Ant was a big supporter of Zimmerman.

[211] I thought Zimmerman should have went to jail for something.

[212] I didn't know what.

[213] Legally, I have no ground to stand on, but I kind of thought he was a cunt.

[214] But not a guy who was out to commit a murder either.

[215] I thought there was a line.

[216] in between.

[217] But whatever.

[218] Like NBC edited that tape.

[219] Like can't do that.

[220] There's no reason to do that unless you're pushing something, but they're doing it under the guise of being impartial.

[221] And I'm sure they've done it plenty of times to vilify blacks.

[222] I'm not saying they haven't.

[223] He lost that lawsuit, you know?

[224] I know he did.

[225] Crazy.

[226] That's crazy.

[227] It's absolutely nuts.

[228] I don't know why.

[229] The news has such a different level of what they can get away with and what they can do because they're seen as doing a public service.

[230] In my opinion, though, I think they lost it because everybody was hating that guy.

[231] And they just didn't want him to win something on top of this the fact that he still has his freedom the kid lost his life right i think he's us i think he's a sucky fucking security guard that's what i think i think if you're going to look at that guy and find fault in what he did it's how did he handle the situation and would a more confident competent person have handled it the same way like here's a perfect example my friend big john mccarthy who's a cop i guarantee you you know the referee oh yeah yeah yeah he's a cop that guy was a cop for a long time but great guy but notice that ain't handle shit.

[232] If big John McCarthy saw that kid walking in the neighborhood, he probably said, how you doing, man?

[233] Everything cool?

[234] You know, had a conversation with him.

[235] Everything would have been fine.

[236] Like, even if the kid, like, got up in arms or got mouthy with him, he would have probably calmed him down, you know, without having to get into some physical altercate.

[237] Not only that, the kid wouldn't have been able to mount him and bash his fucking head off the ground because he's physically incompetent.

[238] If you're going to fucking patrol a neighborhood, you can't do it just with a gun.

[239] You can't be, you can't have the only, The last resort is your only resort.

[240] He can't physically defend himself.

[241] He's out of shape.

[242] He's soft and doughy.

[243] And he's not physically able to hold that guy off.

[244] But yet he's put himself in this position where he's like a security.

[245] He's the force of the truth of the law.

[246] You can't do that.

[247] You're not qualified for that job.

[248] He's just not.

[249] So when that kid's on top of him bouncing his fucking head off the curb, look, I don't see any way out for him other than using a weapon.

[250] Right.

[251] When that kid's beating the shit out of him, But he should have never gotten to that position.

[252] It should have never escalated to that.

[253] You're telling me the only way two people can communicate like that is it comes into violence?

[254] No, it's how do you deal with it?

[255] How do you communicate?

[256] How did you address this person?

[257] What did you say when he talked back to you?

[258] What did you say, what were the exchange of words?

[259] Right.

[260] You know, and those things, there's a big difference between, there was a video that we played the other day.

[261] Was there some, the, do you even lift, bro?

[262] You ever see that guy?

[263] The Russian guy.

[264] Is he Russian?

[265] There's even a worse one.

[266] Is he Russian?

[267] I don't know.

[268] The Pakistani kids, though, in New York where the Bronx, the police chief in Bronx, New York was like, stop doing it.

[269] You're going to get killed.

[270] Like, these two kids are just going on YouTube and they go up to people in horrible neighborhoods and are like, hey, man, you got a problem while he's holding a calculator.

[271] And he's just trying to be funny.

[272] But these guys are just bashing their heads in and stuff.

[273] And so the Bronx chief police or something like that said, look, stop it.

[274] But yeah, these videos are getting more popular.

[275] My point is, if you watch those videos, the guy, he comes up to people that look like the workout and goes, do you even lift, bro?

[276] Look how small you are.

[277] And some people handle it great.

[278] Some people go, you know, like, man, I don't pull it up.

[279] We don't need to see it.

[280] Some people go, yeah, I mean, I don't even lift.

[281] You know, I guess I'm small.

[282] And then they laugh and they walk away.

[283] And some people, like, threaten them.

[284] Like, it depends entirely on how two people interact with each other.

[285] And I think that's what we don't know about the Anthony situation.

[286] that's what we don't know about the Zimmerman situation.

[287] It's not just about what went down.

[288] It's about how did it all play out?

[289] How could it have been avoided?

[290] There's little subtleties in language.

[291] Like when Jonah Hill was apologizing recently, and he's obviously not a homophil.

[292] We just got mad and said, suck by dick, faggotte.

[293] It was a stupid thing in a moment.

[294] And he's on the Tonight Show.

[295] And again, he's just apologizing.

[296] I don't think he never had to deal with something like this.

[297] And he said something.

[298] He goes, man, the intent doesn't matter.

[299] It's the words, the words.

[300] And it was like, again, I know you're on the spot in that moment.

[301] I got to crucify the guy.

[302] But I wish I was there so I could just appear on the seat next to him, like in that Woody Allen scene when the guy walks out to correct the guy online and go, no, the intent is everything.

[303] Because if the words matter, the next time somebody said the fucking giants killed the jets, well, we better call the police.

[304] Oh, that's right.

[305] It's the intent.

[306] We understand every single interaction or phrase has an intent behind it, which doesn't always come through in the written word.

[307] It's just, it's an inflection.

[308] And that's something that you and I had a conversation about with the Tracy Morgan situation with people pretending that what he was saying when he was on stage, you know, that he was going to stab his son if his son was gay.

[309] Like his whole act is filled with him saying ridiculous shit.

[310] Yeah.

[311] This is not a statement.

[312] It's not an affidavit he's making court.

[313] You're taking it out of context because it's a soft target if you do that.

[314] Yes.

[315] I'm going to stab my son because he's gay as a statement of fact or at the, at the end of a political rally is a pretty awful thing to say.

[316] But if you've opened up with, I'm going to get you pray.

[317] and I'm going to mold shit and make a hat out of it.

[318] It's kind of hard to take any one statement and go, well, that's the serious one.

[319] But that's, again, that's that purposely ignoring context or even when you can't ignore it saying, yeah, we understand the context and we don't fucking care.

[320] It's just soft targets.

[321] People find soft targets.

[322] And those targets, look, if they're all ganging up on Anthony, too, that's the other thing.

[323] I'm not saying boohoo Anthony.

[324] Right.

[325] Let's pay attention to what's really going on.

[326] If you're writing an article out of the blue for no reason about Jim Norton, you're the only guy, I think Jim Norton is.

[327] a despicable person and you write this article you have the option to respond to that and you can go well who are you mr reporter dick wad let's take a look at you and then other people can take a look at him too but when everybody's piling on it's a free for all it's a free ride and then you're there flailing wildly well louis luis ck actually raised a really good point about that when something has happened he goes you know you have to remember too everybody's not googling you like everyone is not googling joe rogan or jim norton or anthony cooombe it like so you're seeing uh uh every result about yourself, and it appears overwhelming.

[328] But the reality is, like, people may be reading Newsday or the Post or the Gawker or vice, you know, whatever they're reading, but they're not reading every single article on Anthony Coomia or on Jim Norton.

[329] So that's where the overwhelming thing is sometimes misleading because people are all reading little snippets of it.

[330] But when, you know, the company's getting calls from, again, five or six different outlets.

[331] To them, it feels overwhelming.

[332] And like, what the fuck do we do with this?

[333] because this wasn't on the air.

[334] So I think that's what...

[335] And again, they haven't discussed this with me. I'm purely speculating because to them, if it was on the air, I'm guessing they would have said, well, that's what he does on the air.

[336] But they're not looking at it like, well, he was reacting to being hit.

[337] I think they just were like, oh, okay, we got to fire him.

[338] I think that's why they kind of just reacted very quickly.

[339] I think they fucked themselves.

[340] I really do.

[341] They fucked themselves because they were supposed to be the place where it was free speech.

[342] This is the wild place.

[343] But we're the virus.

[344] There was the virus chance.

[345] Remember?

[346] Now it's serious XM talk.

[347] That's it?

[348] It's serious XM talk?

[349] We have to rename it, but we don't know what they have to they have to they're not asking for my input.

[350] I don't want my name on the show like I want to be on the show, but I don't want to be Opie and Jimmy.

[351] I don't want people to feel like I'm jumping into Anthony's seat because I'm much more happy with that because that's what it was before he met Anthony Coomee.

[352] How would call it we miss Anthony?

[353] Yeah, that would be kind of a or Tony.

[354] We'll call it Tony so they don't know who we're talking about.

[355] We'll just say bring where's Tony.

[356] We'll be sneaky.

[357] Yeah.

[358] But it is a horrible, and it's like people get mad at me in Opie, and it's like, we don't, and I tried to say like, we didn't mad at you for what?

[359] Because they, people think that we're like a bunch of teenagers hanging out and they're like, you guys should walk and support!

[360] And it's like, first of all, you dumb motherfuckers that say that, Anthony, I've talked to, he wouldn't walk.

[361] And he told me, dude, you got to make your money.

[362] And it's all, and B, I'm under contract.

[363] I can't just walk.

[364] I have three more months under contract.

[365] And Opie tried to clear this up on the air Like if we just walk out If they don't fire us and we just walk And say a bunch more subs leave Because they realize like wow The show really is gone Then all of a sudden Sirius wants to take action on us for breach It's a whole fucking legal People just don't get that part of it And they think that we're fucking Anthony You know who doesn't think we're fucking Anthony Anthony?

[366] He knows we're not fucking Only an idiot thinks you're fucking Anthony But there's always going to be idiots With opinions out there Yeah and I'm fine with that When people say like dude I love you and Opie But I got to cancel because I'm staying with Anthony I don't get mad at those people or if people are like I'm going to keep serious and I'm also going to listen to Ant I don't bog I'm fine with that too because I get the emotion like whatever they got to do to support Ant is cool with me I want them to stay because in my ideal world they listen to me in Opie and then they fucking listen to Anthony there's no competition I'm not gonna we're not like hey don't mention Anthony you know when his fucking show comes out I'm gonna tweet it because I want him to succeed because he's one of my closest friend it's gonna succeed it's going to if you know just he's an entertaining guy he's an interesting guy and the platform of the internet is so free and easy and he's already got a full professional setup at his house yeah people don't know if you've never seen one of the main reasons I started this podcast is because of live from the compound because he set a fucking green screen in his house a professional studio and he was playing images behind him of like the city of like he had a green screen screen I mean a beautiful green screen like professional broadcast quality cameras like the whole deal I was like that's amazing and that slowly but surely led to what you're seeing right here like him doing that while he was already on serious and serious tried to stop him from doing that they got it they gave him a hard time about that yeah I mean that was it I think that was a contractual issue too where they're like look this is the medium you're on but eventually they're kind of like let him do it and they're like uh it's only helping it would only help the show show.

[367] It's just more, more advertising, more people paying attention, more entertainment, you know, it's going to get more people.

[368] I mean, that's what people are realizing about the internet.

[369] I mean, Lars Ehrlich got all upset at Metallica fans for downloading his shit and it created this huge shit storm, you know, where everybody's like, dude, don't you have enough fucking money?

[370] Like, you're worried about people downloading your shit.

[371] More people are going to come see you in concert.

[372] And that's what it really has turned out to be for all musical artist.

[373] Yeah, you're not selling as many records, but you're going to get more fans and there's more people are going to see you in concert.

[374] And guess what?

[375] That's all your money.

[376] When you can set that up and have people just come out and see you in concert, that's actually better.

[377] I didn't mind, I'll tell why I didn't mind Lars doing that, because I think that he kind of say, what was happening is with the music industry was not prepared for the onslaught of downloads.

[378] And again, they're greedy twats.

[379] I mean, the business, not the artist, but the fucking guys behind the scenes.

[380] They've been raping artists for years, fucking taking all their money.

[381] But had it not, because I think iTunes was born of the idea of Napster falling through.

[382] So it's like, I kind of like it, because now I can go buy a song or two songs.

[383] Like, I'm not going to download a whole fucking Nicki Minaj album, but there's one song fucking looking ass niggas niggas is the fucking greatest song ever done.

[384] It's the fucking greatest thing ever done.

[385] I don't want to buy the whole album, but that fucking video is sexy.

[386] Really?

[387] Dude, I fucking love that song.

[388] For real, love it.

[389] It's great.

[390] And that I would buy it.

[391] I don't want to buy the whole dumb record.

[392] I wish we could play it, but we'll get pulled off of YouTube.

[393] It's a song you can't sing also with the windows down, too, I found out recently.

[394] It's a lot of in words.

[395] Yes, it really is.

[396] But the line she uses in that, a fucking great.

[397] And I love the song.

[398] But that's just an example.

[399] I can't buy that whole album.

[400] And I like it for my own dumb little CDs that are on iTunes.

[401] I like the fact that can make some money there.

[402] and they're not just going to people are still going to steal them pipe there's still brilliant people out there but the majority of people aren't computer geniuses they're just I'll go to iTunes for a buck and buy a couple of trucks like that I kind of like if it's easy to do people are going to pay for it if it's easy to one click on Amazon people pay for one click on iTunes yes that's you know that's the way to do it make it so it's convenient make it I mean I think eventually you're going you're always going to have people that have digital copies of things online.

[403] And steal them, yeah.

[404] It's always going to be the case.

[405] But people are getting more and more hesitant to do that because a lot of people are getting fucked.

[406] Like people that are downloading illegal pirating of the UFCs, they're getting sued.

[407] People that have downloaded movies are getting sued.

[408] People that upload movies.

[409] Like a lot of those guys that had like a bunch of movies that they were sharing on BitTorrent, they're getting sued for fuckloads of money, man. And people are like, why are they going after the little guy?

[410] Here's why.

[411] Because when the little guy starts to have to, people say you can get sued, they can't win.

[412] Oh, okay, that's how it happens.

[413] You walk into court and go, Your Honor, they can't win.

[414] And he goes, you're right.

[415] No charge.

[416] No, you're going to pay for a fucking lawyer.

[417] And a lawyer's a 20 grand hit minimum.

[418] So the average person, when they have to get an attorney and they realize this is going to cost me $10 ,000, $20 ,000 just to defend, they don't want to deal with it.

[419] So a lot of times that's what these little lawsuits are about.

[420] It's getting people just to back off and discouraging people.

[421] Well, I got errors in omissions insurance because of a conversation I had with you.

[422] Oh, okay.

[423] You told me about it.

[424] Yeah.

[425] And when you were getting sued.

[426] Yes.

[427] It's a very frustrating process because you realize the legal process is not free.

[428] Even if you think you're in the right, but in a way it saved me, I think, in the long run, that experience because now I have it for everything I do.

[429] My books, DVDs, CDs, I get everything vetted, and I have like, you know, $3 million worth of insurance, which is probably a panicky overkill on my part.

[430] But I do that because you want to protect yourself.

[431] even from a what's the word not frugal frivolous litigation I don't know who's going to come after me somebody may hear something and it may cause them to bang their fucking head into the wall and then say I caused an autistic reaction or I caused a fucking what was the one Al Roker made fun of the Tourette's?

[432] No the Olympic logo is causing some kind of epileptic epileptic whatever it is someone can always file the suit and you have to pay to defend it so that type of shit it's nice to have you know that really does happen yes it was a dude that I had on my podcast his wife was an epilept and not on my podcast on my message board his wife was an epileptic and uh someone who had a logo that was like flashing and he started complaining about it you guys need to take that down so then everybody put up a flashing logo like it was of course but then he messaged me he's like seriously if my wife sees that she'll faint so just go into a seizure i was like come on really so i had to look it up like yeah it does there was a certain certain television show that was going on in Japan.

[433] It was like a kid's show.

[434] It's the one with the mighty, the four guys, Power Rangers.

[435] Was it the Power Rangers?

[436] Whatever it was, this television show made kids have seizures.

[437] For whatever reason, certain kids that have a certain issue, they would watch these flashing things and just seize up.

[438] Most video games now have that at the beginning.

[439] Like, if you play the video game, like this game could cause seizures if you have that.

[440] They used to have to warn you, so you've been pre -warned.

[441] That's so fucking weird.

[442] And by the way, everything that we deal with that's annoying.

[443] Everything is because of lawsuits.

[444] So we kind of have brought it on ourselves, too.

[445] Like, people are like, why do they have to, companies have to be so, like, I'll get annoyed at serious sometimes.

[446] Like, what the fuck?

[447] And then I'm like, oh, yeah, they have a shitload of people working for them, and every one of them has access to human resources.

[448] And any one of those people could just go to human resources and say, this is a hostile work environment because of something, you know, because people like, why can't we look at a girl's ass in the hallway?

[449] Go ahead.

[450] Pinch your ass like it's 1950 and then when they sue the company, the company's like what the fuck?

[451] We're going to pay to defend this because you couldn't keep your hands offer?

[452] So as much as companies can drive me nuts sometimes, all of these protective barriers that have been put in place have been because citizens have filed lawsuits some that were very legitimate.

[453] Like sexual harassment, guys are kind of pieces of shit with that.

[454] That was probably a bad example because most guys, you know, women have told me horror stories about they got to do with at work.

[455] I can only imagine, yeah.

[456] Yeah, it's more than just a glance.

[457] Like, it's, you know, a guy rubbing his dick on it while they're getting coffee and going, hey, I'm kidding.

[458] You know, it's like, how do you fucking deal with that if you're...

[459] But, you know, the companies have to deal with this, so then they put all this shit in place to protect themselves in these litigious fucking shithead employees.

[460] Yeah, there's both, right?

[461] There's real scenarios where people are getting sexually harassed, and that is uber fucked up.

[462] You know, could you imagine being a chick in an office and some guy you don't want to have anything to do with consistently hits on you and tells dirty jokes and fucks with you and asks you if you're gaining weight, if you ignore them.

[463] Right.

[464] You know, they start getting weird.

[465] Guys are gross, man. I'm so glad I'm not a chick.

[466] I couldn't imagine being a heterosexual woman having to deal with men who want to fuck me. Or just the energy, like, the things that you can't prove in court, but the energy of the guy who wants to fuck you comes over with his dumb dick up against the fucking top of your desk.

[467] How you doing?

[468] Well, I'm just saying, hello, you know.

[469] He's resting.

[470] He's resting it.

[471] Yeah.

[472] He's all mushed up.

[473] fucking half plumped That kid's fucking making men and women Work together for eight hours in a row Together in a closed -in environment It's an automatic sexual tension between some folks It has to be Yeah There's no way around that man No, from a guy's point of view at least I think women are better Because their whole thing is picking which guys They want to fucking pick I think women are better at going out of This is professional I'm not going to do that We're just awful at it I know I'm awful at us Yeah but it's also like There's just a That's the social environment of the office.

[474] There's always going to be weirdness, you know, in the office.

[475] And then if you have those fucking office parties where people get a little liquored up, and it all comes out.

[476] That's a day.

[477] You start dancing and shit and little nuttiness.

[478] And next thing you know, people are getting fucking sued.

[479] Yeah, you drop it to someone off and you want to jerk it off in front of her in the car and she goes in and feels dirty because it happened.

[480] Whatever, whatever.

[481] What's a big deal over here?

[482] We're friends.

[483] We work together for six months already.

[484] Fucking holiday parties, bitch Yeah I clean the dash Yeah, come on I thought you wanted it But that's, look, we have female interns That's what keeps me from hitting on the interns I'm fucking, as Florentine It's that Pete professional With the interns, I don't fucking I'll joke with them on the air I don't fucking look at their asses in the hallway I don't flirt with them Because A, the most of them are 21 and 22 I don't want one of them Misinterpreting something and going to human resources and going, this 45 -year -old piece of garbage is hitting on me, and then I'm going to sue you.

[485] Right.

[486] And then the company's like, we're going to get sued, what the fuck.

[487] Because companies have lost a lot of money with that.

[488] Oh, yeah.

[489] They've lost in legit cases.

[490] Oh, yeah.

[491] But they don't want to take a chance.

[492] Yeah.

[493] So then they're going to fucking look at me and go one more time in your fall, you know, whatever.

[494] So that's why I don't do it.

[495] Another aspect of this crazy litigious society that we live in is patent trolls.

[496] That's the thing that Adam Carolla is going through right now when we're all a part of it, and we're trying to help him raise money for his legal funds.

[497] It's going to cost him a million dollars, a million dollars to defend against this patent troll.

[498] And they already had a hearing and during the hearing or they had whatever it is when they meet down and they discuss the merits of the case.

[499] And the case is essentially thought to be frivolous, but they're still going forward with it.

[500] Motion to dismiss.

[501] They probably tried a motion to dismiss.

[502] They said no. So either I guess what they will do is go for, my guess will be the next step or they can go for summary judgment.

[503] Uh, maybe where they, they process all the facts and they say, you know, should we go into depositions or whatever?

[504] And again, it might be different in this kind of case, but there's a lot of, that's a, that's a patent, uh, troll friendly area where they're from, which is why I think that a lot of these people set up offices in that part of Texas.

[505] But fucking the Supreme Court just shot down.

[506] They really hurt patent trolls saying something that you can't patent idea, like you can patent an idea, like you can patent a method of delivering an idea, but you can't patent the idea of just like episodic things on the internet or whatever.

[507] was that they said you can't do.

[508] Let's give them a shout out here.

[509] Because Mike August sent me this, he's the guy who runs Adam's show over there.

[510] He sent me this thing about it.

[511] It gives you the whole, this is the full deal.

[512] So far, they have raised $425 ,000 for their defense.

[513] Their most recent bill, this is incredible.

[514] They have been running at $100 ,000 a month, $100 ,000 a month for the last three months in legal bills.

[515] So they're now a deficit of $20 ,000.

[516] Personal audio has shown no signs of backing down from their litigation posture despite a discovery process that has revealed a completely weak connection to be drawn between their purported patent apparatus and the dissemination of media files that we do as podcasters.

[517] So what they're hoping for is that Adam somehow or another taps out.

[518] And if he does, then they try to hit everybody who podcast with, you know, hey, give us $20 a month or whatever the fuck it is.

[519] So they're going to have to raise another $500 ,000 to $750 ,000 to continue with the litigation.

[520] Unbelievable.

[521] It's incredible.

[522] It's sickening.

[523] And the only thing is, and I don't know what it's like in Texas.

[524] I know in New York it's hard to get.

[525] But everyone thinks like, well, hey, man, I'll just try to get them to make them pay for my legal fees.

[526] That doesn't always happen.

[527] And judges don't like to do that.

[528] They don't like to give a, I forget what it's called, but it's when you make.

[529] the suing attorney or the suing the plaintiff pay the defendant's legal fees it has to be proven to be such a litigious a frivolous thing so that's a really hard thing to do yeah and if you want to help this is the way they've got it set up to help they have a podcast legal defense fund Amazon account and what that is is if you buy something from Amazon if you do it through that account they get a kickback they get a piece of the action So it doesn't cost you anything as a person.

[530] So if you use Amazon a lot like I do, I love to use Amazon.

[531] If you use it, please use it through the podcast, Legal Defense, Amazon Fund.

[532] If you just Google that, it's on fundanything .com.

[533] You can find the link to it.

[534] And Adam has a video up there that explains what's going on and how this all got started.

[535] It's really gross.

[536] And if you look at what the actual patented is itself, it's, it's, it's crazy that they can sue for it.

[537] It's essentially releasing things in a serialized form, like a form one, two, three, and four on the internet.

[538] I mean, that's it.

[539] Playlist.

[540] Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's crazy.

[541] Like, the idea that you could patent that is just fucking bananas.

[542] Yeah, and it's very, I forget what it's call when they give them money.

[543] It's really rare.

[544] In London, in England, in London, in fucking, uh, England, I think they're much more likely to, because a lot of people are less likely to sue for something that's, that they might be frivolous, although they may not get a, you may not be able to recover on a frivolous lawsuit because there may be legal merits to this lawsuit even if even if they lose what are the personal audio they're called they may it may not be a frivolous suit like in the legal system's eyes the legal system may see this is a legit suit that they win or lose as opposed to a frivolous one so adam may not be able to get his money back even if he wins do you know i mean i totally hear you so even if he wins he might still be hit with all these legal fees sure and of course whoever loses can't recover of course unless because you know i'm guessing that the other place has more money than adam does so an appeal will cost money and everyone who podcasts has a very very vested interest in this because I don't think it's a good lawsuit I mean I don't think that they're right to ask for this at all I think it's bullshit of course and these guys have already made a shitload of money suing Apple they think they made seven or eight million dollars eight million I think on the playlist or something they were saying about a playlist something fucking crazy like that I have to piss badly can I run in there and do it I hate it off don't worry about it man so anybody that wants to help just go to fund anything Just just Google Podcast Legal Defense Fund Amazon account.

[545] Yeah, you'll find it.

[546] You'll find it.

[547] And just try to do your Amazon shopping through there.

[548] If everybody does that, it will make a big difference.

[549] And it'll be no hardship whatsoever for anybody, you know, that's helping to support the show.

[550] Also, on their Fund Anything page, they have a bunch of different packages, you know, like one's 20 bucks, one's 40 bucks or whatever.

[551] That comes with a bunch of stuff.

[552] So they want to, like, help out by using a package.

[553] That's awesome.

[554] Yeah, and Adam's a good guy.

[555] And I'm glad he's doing this.

[556] I'm glad he's not buckling and just, I don't know why he got hit up and other people didn't get hit up, you know.

[557] You didn't get hit up?

[558] No. I got hit up.

[559] I don't understand it.

[560] Are you asking for money?

[561] Because I think it has something to do with subscriptions or asking for money.

[562] Did you ever ask for any money?

[563] No. I mean, the only thing that we have at Death Squad is just buying T -shirts, which I've been trying to keep as separate as possible from, you know.

[564] Well, it's totally separate.

[565] Right.

[566] That's just your T -shirts.

[567] Right.

[568] And if you want those, folks.

[569] Folks, go to get Desquod