JRE MMA Show #153 with Joe Pyfer

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[5] What's up, Joe?

[6] So we should say right away off the bat, because people don't know.

[7] You really did break Francis and Gano's punch record.

[8] Yeah, so I don't know what the confusion is, you know, I didn't want to...

[9] A lot of people who are, they doubt it just because he's so big.

[10] So I'm going to post it.

[11] Well, we just sent it to Jamie.

[12] You sent one where you broke, you went to 170.

[13] Yeah, one, yeah, 170.

[14] So you got Eddie Hall.

[15] He got 113.

[16] And Francis had gotten 129.

[17] We're trying to break and gotten his record right now.

[18] I had already hit four times.

[19] Woo!

[20] 170.

[21] Now, the only thing that – so this is the thing that people don't understand, though, is it's the same machine.

[22] I think everybody thought it was like one of those punching bags that are down at the roadwalk.

[23] Right.

[24] And, you know, it's aggravating because I pride myself in my power.

[25] I want to hurt you.

[26] You know what I mean?

[27] Like, that's my intention.

[28] I'm trying to – I mean, we all throw with power, right?

[29] But I feel like I have a little different intention sometimes.

[30] So, you know, I've always prided myself in hitting hard.

[31] I've always felt like I hit harder than everybody.

[32] Now, sure, I'm sure Francis's punch feels different than mine, but I got speed, I got power, and I walk at like 220 when I'm out of camp.

[33] So I'm not a small guy, you know, I mean I'm 6 -2 -220 when I'm hitting that.

[34] And even then, probably there, I was probably late because I was injured.

[35] So I was probably about 212, 214 when I hit that.

[36] And just to put it up, I'm going to post it whenever I get back home, and I'm going to post the video, and I'm going to post the picture also of me hitting higher than that at 181.

[37] I only have the picture, but Tuko, who's Brandon Allen's coach, was there.

[38] I think someone has kicked it up to like 187.

[39] I think that's the newest high kick, which is crazy.

[40] Kick, yeah.

[41] Yeah, that your punch is that close to a kick.

[42] Yeah.

[43] That's pretty nuts.

[44] Now, get it.

[45] It's a standstill object, right?

[46] Yeah.

[47] I can smash that thing.

[48] But I've been...

[49] I was trying to see who did it.

[50] Here's Alja and Wonderboy kicking it.

[51] There's someone just did 189.

[52] I don't know who that is.

[53] Lorenz Larkin.

[54] That's Lorenz Larkin.

[55] Yeah, I think he's got the record now.

[56] Lorenz who used to fight in the UFC now, I guess he's with the PFL now, right?

[57] I thought he was Bellator.

[58] Oh, yeah, they merged.

[59] Well, Belator is the PFL now.

[60] Yeah, but Lorenz got 189.

[61] Oh, Jesus, he got 235?

[62] Lorenz can fucking kick hard.

[63] That's a super underrated dude.

[64] I always go to his fight with Neil Magny.

[65] Go watch that fight.

[66] Jesus.

[67] I would love to see Diego Lima.

[68] Oh, yeah.

[69] He's another one.

[70] Yeah.

[71] Jose.

[72] There's probably quite a few guys that can kick like that.

[73] But Lorenz, like, if you watch him, the technique is just perfect.

[74] He's perfect.

[75] The way he switches his hips.

[76] The way he turns his body into it is just maximizing it.

[77] Yeah, I mean, it's really, I mean, some people, it's weird, you know, for me because a lot of people think I have natural power.

[78] And I get annoyed with it because I've never had anything natural in my life.

[79] You know, everything was difficult.

[80] Learning it, learning jiu -jitsu, learning how to box, you know.

[81] Everything was hard for me to learn.

[82] So I have a bitter chip on my shoulder when people are like trying to discredit it with natural power.

[83] I don't know.

[84] There is a thing, though, where there's a, there's like you could unlock horsepower in a human being, but you only have so much when it comes to power.

[85] There's certain people, and I think we've all seen them.

[86] They just don't hit hard.

[87] For whatever reason.

[88] And they look big.

[89] They can look strong.

[90] And then there's certain guys that for whatever reason, they fucking hit crazy hard.

[91] And they're not that big.

[92] And a lot of it is efficiency and fluidity and the technique and the leverage.

[93] And that's all learned, right?

[94] But there's like a certain thing to like...

[95] bone structure and just natural power.

[96] My bones got to be trash, Joe, because I'm fucking having two surgeries and being beat up.

[97] I just think it's the amount of power that you generate.

[98] I mean, it's probably a lot of it too.

[99] It's probably a corny thing to say.

[100] But I was told that I almost generate too much force for my bone density to handle.

[101] I don't know how true that is.

[102] I don't know if they were just kind of stroking my ego.

[103] But it makes sense.

[104] That's why your hands break.

[105] When people's hands break, that's why they break because you're literally generating too much force for your bone structure.

[106] Yeah, my...

[107] Dude, when you fought Razak al -Hassan, you are on...

[108] There's like, there's a thing that happens with fighters where you see them, you see anxiety, you see first fight, you see nerves, you see jitters, you see skills, but it's hard to like see the full range of them.

[109] And then they start getting comfortable.

[110] And when they start getting comfortable, like the Mearshardt fight, you just stomped him.

[111] But the Razak al -Hassan fight, like, dude, you were on another level.

[112] Like, that's like when people talk about a guy in the gym, like, dude, you got to see this motherfucker in the gym.

[113] And then seeing that manifest itself inside the octagon, to me, that's one of my favorite things to see.

[114] I love watching guys show their potential.

[115] You know, and in that fight, Razak al -Hassan is a beast.

[116] Yeah, he's a dog.

[117] He's a dangerous dude.

[118] And you just put on a fucking show in that fight.

[119] You looked like you were on a completely different level.

[120] Like you had gone up several rungs from where you were before.

[121] You didn't know what's crazy about it, though.

[122] The whole process of what's gotten me to that point has been nothing shy of just, man, if I'm mentally happy, I'm going to destroy everybody.

[123] But I often struggle mentally.

[124] You know, like I, bro, I didn't turn it on.

[125] My coaches were all scared in the back just because they know me so well.

[126] I'm an emotional dude.

[127] I wear my heart on my sleeve.

[128] Like I say how I feel.

[129] You don't really have to read the room.

[130] You can read my face.

[131] You know what I mean?

[132] You understand where I'm at.

[133] And I'm not shy to say where I'm at.

[134] So that whole week was off.

[135] Sean wasn't in the corner.

[136] He got sick.

[137] I had some issues with a best friend.

[138] And I've known for 12, 13 years he didn't get to come out.

[139] And just everything was like off.

[140] I had...

[141] I had MRSA on my bicep on my forearm two weeks before.

[142] Oh, shit.

[143] I was on antibiotics.

[144] Before that, I got – I split my toes open where they separated, so the bone, so I, like, I could barely – like, I got all swollen.

[145] Bro, I've never had an easy camp, and I was having nightmares for the first time of getting knocked the fuck out, like, all week during my weight cut, during training.

[146] I had these crazy nerves.

[147] I would get cold sweats, like – I thought something was wrong.

[148] And I never had that before, you know.

[149] And I was contemplating like, man, I'm not going to rush my career.

[150] Maybe this isn't the right move.

[151] But was it the step up in competition?

[152] No, no. So this is crazy.

[153] He's going to come on.

[154] Well, it's not crazy.

[155] But it comes off as really arrogant.

[156] Like, Abdul was not a step up in competition for me. He was a step up as far as, you know, power and people that I fought as far as, you know, people that have the ability to knock you out.

[157] Consequences.

[158] Yeah, yeah.

[159] There's consequences for small error.

[160] But I knew skill for skill.

[161] Dude's not on my level.

[162] I knew Gerald Mershart, Mershart, however you say it, whenever, I mean, that dude, to me, without being disrespectful, is I don't know how he's been in the UFC.

[163] The guy I first fought, you know, he's not in the UFC anymore, but he had eight knockouts.

[164] I'm not, I've been doing this for 23 years.

[165] I started at four and a half years old.

[166] I don't want people to think that I'm cocky or arrogant, but I am.

[167] I am cocky, I'm confident, you know.

[168] Don't you think you kind of have to be?

[169] Yeah, you do have to be.

[170] You're a fucking cage fighter.

[171] It's your protection barrier, too, from people to just openly try to cut you down.

[172] Because everybody, like hitting that punching machine, everybody immediately discredit says that Dana White just wants to get after Francis and Gano.

[173] That's why I didn't release the video.

[174] I told you at the Austin fight.

[175] I was pissed off.

[176] It didn't get posted.

[177] right i mean well it's posted now yeah so uh it's posted now you know it's on a big platform but yeah man i mean abdul was just somebody you had to be careful with but i didn't think he boxed better than me and i think dc even says it as i'm walking into the cage and uh his best shot was to knock me out and if he couldn't knock me out he wasn't winning that fight well it's also very evident like you're one of those guys that's at the top of the 185 pound division in terms of like physical stature You don't get much bigger at 185.

[178] It's like you and guys like Paheda, which Paheda doesn't even make sense.

[179] Yeah.

[180] Like, I was always like, how?

[181] How the fuck are you, 185?

[182] Man, even when I look at, yeah, I mean, when I look at him, like, it's so weird.

[183] We've seen each other so many times.

[184] There's no head nod.

[185] There's no respect.

[186] There's no, like, even him, like, man, I think a lot of guys are overrated in this fucking sport.

[187] You think that guy's overrated?

[188] I mean, look, I don't think his, I think getting hit by him isn't overrated, right?

[189] But.

[190] He's very stiff and he's got that off switch.

[191] He's got that off switch.

[192] Well, he definitely does at 85.

[193] Yeah.

[194] Yeah, at 85.

[195] I don't know about 205.

[196] I think that is a big part of the weight cut.

[197] I think his weight cut is...

[198] borderline dangerous like i think that a weight cut to 85 to kill you yeah yeah i think he's just so tough that he doesn't but i think there's there's a point of diminishing returns and certainly with your chin and when izzie cracked him obviously izzie hit him perfect it was pinpoint and then rocked him with the second shot but the way he went out i was like it's gone yeah it's almost like uh you know i'm not gonna say any names but you know they're there's a guy that just recently lost who I like and it's like man like when you've had that off button shut off to the point where you're frozen it's not like you got TKOed it's off yes there's a thing that happens to guys when they've taken too many shots yeah you can see it yeah I've never I've never been laid out um last time I was ever dropped I was 18 years old I got dropped by guy that used to be in the UFC for a brief moment it was Tim Williams he fought your boy Eric Anders who I like he's cool but uh But, yeah, no, I've never had the lights shut off or anything, so thankful for that.

[199] But I pride myself in my defense, too.

[200] You know what I mean?

[201] It's critical.

[202] I mean, a strong defensive base is so important when you know how to move well.

[203] I was just watching this documentary that the UFC put on about Anderson Silva.

[204] And it's not that I forgot how good Anderson Silva was.

[205] Smooth.

[206] Yeah.

[207] Super smooth, super fluent.

[208] Everything, man. When he was in his prime, his fucking defense, too, was so perfect.

[209] He was so hard to hit clean.

[210] His range, man. You know, when you're tall, these guys underestimate range, and, you know, everybody wants to brawl, but people don't understand range.

[211] You know, you should be able to slide back and it just grazes your beard, you know?

[212] So...

[213] Range is everything.

[214] And also, the mechanical advantage of that long frame...

[215] when Anderson would throw that torque on guys, you know.

[216] When he was in his prime, like, you watched, like, the Rich Franklin fights and the Chris Lieben fight and, like, that fucking dude was special, man. But defense was a big part of it.

[217] Let me ask you, because I'm a huge fan of the old school days, more so than the new school.

[218] I just think it was more raw and just, like, like, I liked when everybody was on roids.

[219] You know everybody was on roids.

[220] But that's exactly the stipulation, right?

[221] You know, we're so hard on the athletes of today.

[222] They pop for something that's not even a performance -enhancing level.

[223] Yeah.

[224] But these guys had their reign and were never discredited, but we know they were all on shit.

[225] Right.

[226] Well, I always talk about TRT Vitor.

[227] You know, I think TRT Vitor, the Vitor, the Vitor that fucked up, Luke Rockhold and Michael Bisping.

[228] That, dude, I put him up against anybody ever.

[229] He was fucking terrifying.

[230] But he was also, like...

[231] silverback gorilla levels of testosterone.

[232] He was like off the charts.

[233] When they tested him, one of the reasons why they stopped TRT is because they tested Vitor one time.

[234] And he was so far off the charts.

[235] They were like, what the fuck are you doing?

[236] And he had said that, you know, he was going to be in America for like a week.

[237] And so the doctor just gave him a big dose to like last for the week.

[238] Yeah.

[239] I just think he just...

[240] Look at it up next to you.

[241] He looks almost the same side.

[242] Well, Yoel Romero.

[243] I'm a huge fan of Yo Al Romero, by the way.

[244] Yoel Romero is the freak of all freaks.

[245] And I've said this many times before on this podcast, but he is the single most impressive athlete I have ever seen in all my years of watching fights.

[246] How old is he 44 now?

[247] He's at least 44.

[248] He might be 45, 46.

[249] Oh, man. Yeah, Juice Viator was the bomb.

[250] Yoel didn't even need Juice, man. He was a part of the Cuban athletic program.

[251] And there's something about that dude, whether it's genetics or who knows what it is.

[252] But I've told us before, so I apologize for anybody's heard this.

[253] The UFC had brought him to a doctor after one of his fights.

[254] I think it was one of his fights in Australia.

[255] And the doctor said to the UFC, where did you get this guy?

[256] Yeah.

[257] And he goes, and they were like, he's one of our fathers.

[258] He says, I've never seen anything like him.

[259] He goes, yeah, he's pretty amazing, right?

[260] He goes, no, you don't understand.

[261] I've never seen a human being like him.

[262] The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than normal.

[263] They said that his orbital bone, when it fractured, by the time they got him to the doctor, like a couple days later, it already started healing.

[264] Like, this guy's a fucking wolverie.

[265] That dude was eating fucking bark or something for growing up.

[266] I mean, he was something super special.

[267] I have to say, I, he was someone that I loved watching.

[268] I love that Paula Costa and your old Romero fight and whatnot.

[269] I was always sad, and I never got to see him win a belt before he left.

[270] Well, he was in the UFC.

[271] He started in the UFC, I believe in his very late 30s.

[272] Yeah, like 37.

[273] Yeah, something crazy like that.

[274] Like when he knocked out Liotto Machita, I think he was like 38, 39.

[275] Yeah.

[276] He was already at the range where most guys are looking to hang it up.

[277] But look at a guy like that, right?

[278] I mean, I don't think he's that technical.

[279] I don't think he's...

[280] It was wrestling.

[281] Very technically.

[282] Wrestling 100%, you know, but he never used it.

[283] Yeah.

[284] as like a complete mixed martial artist.

[285] He always seemed to kind of just be like the kickboxing guy, wanted to keep it on the feet.

[286] Which is crazy when you think about his wrestling background.

[287] But that's just an energy thing.

[288] Like the amount of energy that it takes to wrestle.

[289] That's a lot.

[290] That's a lot.

[291] Especially when they're slippery, especially when he's not a submission guy.

[292] Yeah.

[293] I don't know if he has any submissions in his record.

[294] I'm not sure.

[295] He just smashes guys when he gets them on the ground.

[296] But his wrestling was so elite, but yet you rarely saw it.

[297] But, like, when he knocked out Chris Wyden with that flying knee, like, that fucking dude could explode on you like no other.

[298] Man, yeah, it's that he's, yeah, I mean, that's a guy that's natural, though, right?

[299] You want to say as a natural athlete, like, that's how he's born into it.

[300] But I think maybe there was something going on in Cuba.

[301] I think they were doing some...

[302] Look, look at Corellin.

[303] We always talk about Corellin, but Corellin for the Soviet Union, they called him the experiment.

[304] That's literally what they called him.

[305] He was so freakish, and his parents were like normal size.

[306] They were small folks.

[307] And he would, like, be walking with his parents, like, with his hands on their shoulders.

[308] He was a giant.

[309] Yeah, just an immense human being.

[310] And here.

[311] Here's a bowl of cereal and here's some fucking testosterone.

[312] It was no bullies.

[313] They gave him a fucking caribou liver for breakfast.

[314] That guy was, he was a freak of all freaks.

[315] But I think there's something to that Soviet training program.

[316] And, you know, when you look at other communist countries, like particularly Cuba, there's no doubt about it.

[317] They did whatever they could to make their athletes the best they could.

[318] And it just stands to really...

[319] To a certain extent, I mean, I think if you want to have that peak performance, you want to have that peak human being from whatever you're trying to, you know, put them in.

[320] I mean, you can't...

[321] Naturally, it's hard.

[322] Like, yeah, it's very hard.

[323] It's the hardest road.

[324] Well, you could get lucky.

[325] You can get lucky and get a Francis in Ghana with, like, the best genetics ever.

[326] Or you can just start manipulating someone when they're very young.

[327] If you get a young kid and you start giving them growth hormone and IGF1 and all peptides and stuff when they're really little...

[328] It depends on their diet, right?

[329] I mean, like most of everything we use processed and trash.

[330] That too.

[331] I'm sure they give them optimal nutrition.

[332] I'm sure with that kind of a program, like a communist program, where everything...

[333] is on the line.

[334] Like, if you are a athlete for a totalitarian dictatorship, like, whether it's Cuba or Russia or China or whatever it is, they will do whatever they can to make their athletes the best.

[335] Like, the idea of cheating, we saw the Sochi Olympics with that documentary, Icarus.

[336] Have you seen that documentary?

[337] It's a great documentary by Brian Fogle about...

[338] I've talked about this recently.

[339] I apologize to people who listen, but...

[340] The Brian Fogle, what he was going to do is he did a bike race.

[341] And he did a bike race natural.

[342] And he's a very good athlete, endurance athlete.

[343] So he did this bike race natural.

[344] And then he went to this guy who is the head of the Soviet anti -doping program.

[345] And he said, this is what I want to do.

[346] I want to do it natural one year.

[347] And then the next year, I want you to just juice me up to the tits.

[348] And we're going to do a documentary and see how I do juiced versus natural.

[349] In the process of filming all this, it got released that the Sochi Olympics were rigged.

[350] And so what Russia was doing was they put a hole in the wall where the urine samples were and they were swapping urine samples.

[351] So they were taking the dirty urine samples from that because it was in Russia.

[352] So they're taking the dirty urine samples from their athletes and swapping it out for clean urine samples.

[353] But they got caught because they found these micro scratches on these jars that were supposedly impossible to open and that these impenetrable jars they stored the urine in to make it secure.

[354] But then they did an analysis in the jar, and they said, like, somebody's been fucking with these jars.

[355] And so then they analyzed the urine.

[356] And then the whole house of cards came tumbling down while this guy was doing this documentary.

[357] And this guy, what was his name, Gregory Ritchenko?

[358] Is that his name?

[359] I think Rachinkov.

[360] Wichankov.

[361] That gentleman who was the head of the Soviet doping program got in the witness protection program and then spilled the beans in the Soviet Union.

[362] He's hiding in America now.

[363] I mean, they arrested his family.

[364] They took away his family's money.

[365] They fucked his whole family up.

[366] The whole, the story is crazy.

[367] But he detailed everything that they do as far as their doping program.

[368] And they doped everybody.

[369] They doped everybody except figure skaters.

[370] Damn.

[371] That's the dude.

[372] Gregory Rachevoff.

[373] Definitely not what I was imaging or picturing in my head.

[374] He's hilarious.

[375] He's actually funny, but it's an amazing documentary.

[376] I can't recommend Icarus enough.

[377] But it just shows how far these countries are willing to go in order to gain national superiority by having their athletes gold medal more than anybody.

[378] power it's the most addicting thing right yeah and it's also it's you know it's national pride there's a lot involved and they're all assuming that everybody else is doing this too because everybody on some shit yeah like everybody's there's for sure if they can get away with it they cheat pete there's so much especially when it comes to things like the olympics because they'll never stop exploring trying to find the easier route you know exactly um it's funny because a lot of people uh have said shit to me and i'm like listen When I came back after I broke my arm, I was big before I broke my arm.

[379] But I was big in the wrong way.

[380] I was big in like a weightlifting way.

[381] When did you break your arm?

[382] Mm. 2020, maybe.

[383] And how'd you do it?

[384] Dustin Stoltzvus.

[385] I got Matt returned in a fucking contender series fight, dislocated, broke backwards.

[386] And that's your right arm?

[387] That's my right arm.

[388] So I had one surgery, that's this scar.

[389] Six months later, I joined my team Marquez, where Sean's at, and all the Philly guys, and then I had to, six months again, had to get another surgery and another major surgery.

[390] Same injury, just re -injured it?

[391] No, so I still had a torn forearm, and I still had a whole bunch of bone gross behind So I broke the radial head in half, which is what you rotate.

[392] So I can rotate my hand right like this on my good arm, but I can't go any further than this because it's pinned.

[393] To this day?

[394] To this day, yeah.

[395] Oh, wow.

[396] And that's as straight as my arm goes.

[397] Oh, wow.

[398] Yeah, so motherfuckers don't understand that this was, I was given a 30 % chance of being able to fight, you know, if I got the second surgery.

[399] 30 %?

[400] 30 % because of the nerve damage and not like having full functionality because there's a lot of nerves in there.

[401] especially where I got surgery and how much damage and inflammation and whatnot was in there.

[402] So they had to cut the capsule and whatnot.

[403] So, man, when I tell you, like, I'm going to be hurting when I'm older, I'm going to be hurting.

[404] I have pain every day and whatnot.

[405] But, yeah, I mean, I broke my arm in some bullshit fluke accident.

[406] You know, I did get Matt returned.

[407] I should have let go of the head.

[408] I was going to go for a guillotine.

[409] And then he lifted me. I didn't expect it, right?

[410] Post it out.

[411] Boom.

[412] Been that way a thousand times in practice, never been hurt.

[413] Yeah, ate me up, man. They ate me up.

[414] You know, they closed the ambulance doors and, you know, you don't get to say shit to Dana White.

[415] And all you get is a bunch of nerds that text you and say, hey, man, at least you got a couple million views.

[416] You're famous.

[417] And, you know, I lost sponsorships.

[418] I was depressed, suicidal, all that shit.

[419] And 20 years of my life, I think, at that point.

[420] So you were really concerned that that was the end.

[421] Yeah, I mean, look, I started this at four and a half years old.

[422] You know, I don't know how much you know.

[423] But, you know, I started this at four and a half years old, and I haven't seen another path.

[424] And this was my A, and there was no B. So if A didn't work, that was it.

[425] So at four and a half you knew you wanted to fight?

[426] Oh, eight years old and I knew I went to fight.

[427] Four and a half I started Jiu -Jitsu.

[428] Five years old, I did my first competition in Naga.

[429] And, yeah, I mean, eight years old is...

[430] I started developing, like, a little bit of a confidence.

[431] I was so run down and abused that that was where my confidence started coming from.

[432] So...

[433] I never had a dream of the belt, and I could say all these years, I've never had a dream of holding a belt, but I always had a dream of people chanting my name when I was walking out to a sold -out crowd.

[434] So that was always my dream, and I've always wanted that.

[435] And, yeah, I mean, I wasn't a kid that hung out with kids.

[436] You know, I was homeschooled, and yeah, there's a lot of detail to uncover in there.

[437] But, yeah, I mean, I've known I wanted to do this all my life.

[438] And when I tell you, there was no plan B, bro, there was no plan B. When did you have your first MMA fight?

[439] How old were you?

[440] I was, I think, 20 years old.

[441] Yeah, 20 years old.

[442] Actually, no, that's not true.

[443] Yeah, it is true.

[444] 20 years old.

[445] I think it was 2017.

[446] It was my first fight.

[447] or 2016, one of those years.

[448] And amateur or?

[449] Amateur?

[450] So, PA, I'm a PA boy at the time.

[451] You have to have five amateurs before you could go pro.

[452] Oh, really?

[453] Is that the rule?

[454] Interesting.

[455] That was the rule when I was fighting.

[456] So you had to have five.

[457] Is that still the rule?

[458] I'm not sure.

[459] I think it is.

[460] You definitely have to have amateur experience to be considered to get your pro license.

[461] What if you're like an amateur wrestler or something like that?

[462] I'm not sure.

[463] I don't think so.

[464] I think it's just the way that the PA commission was with Greg Serb back then.

[465] It's not a bad idea.

[466] So I went four and one as an amateur.

[467] And I felt so held back with the bullshit shingards, not being able to punch somebody in the face.

[468] Oh, that's how it is with the amateurs?

[469] You can't punch the face.

[470] You can't punch in the face.

[471] No elbow in the face.

[472] Nope.

[473] So I couldn't wait to turn pro, man. I felt so held back.

[474] And my kind of training, like I trained at Fight Factory, which was a gym that had Eddie Alvarez when he was 19 years old.

[475] I met Eddie before he even had his first fight.

[476] oh wow you know so i've when i say i know a lot of these guys will say oh i know these people i'm i'm the ogy in the gym as the young guy because i've been around for so long so that's why when these these fucking clickbait turds come out and they say oh you know he's fighting a guy with a lot of experience and gerald meershart he's got the most submission and like motherfucker you're not doing anything that i have never seen Now, there's a difference between watching on the TV and saying, ah, he doesn't do anything special.

[477] And you get in there and you feel somebody's presence.

[478] You feel that energy.

[479] You feel their intention, you know?

[480] So I knew that motherfucker wasn't going to bang with me. I knew Abdul wasn't going with me. That's why as soon as I cracked on me and as soon as I let him feel me, like, yeah, motherfucker, like, go ahead.

[481] And, you know, he didn't get that.

[482] He didn't get to get going.

[483] You know, I checked them immediately.

[484] Like, you're a powerhouse, you're an alpha.

[485] Well, so am I. Come take it.

[486] You know, so I fight with a heavy heart in there.

[487] You mean, you're trying to take my living from me. I'm still a poor kid.

[488] That's my mentality.

[489] You know what I mean?

[490] I'm nothing.

[491] And I'm trying to be something.

[492] You know what I mean?

[493] So you better be ready to kill me, motherfuckers.

[494] Like, that's how, same thing with this guy, Jack, man. Like, nice guy.

[495] You better be ready to die in there.

[496] I'm coming for you.

[497] Like, I don't want no decisions.

[498] You talk about your abuse.

[499] Like, what exactly was the abuse?

[500] I don't want to give the short version, right?

[501] Okay.

[502] This is a moment right now that I get to recognize that I'm in front of somebody who has, you've heard so many stories, so many crazy things.

[503] And, you know, my story is definitely not up there with the crazy things, right?

[504] But my story, I'm unique.

[505] I'm one of one.

[506] So my story is, you know, I started out.

[507] The abuse started when I was a year old.

[508] My parents both blame each other, you know, child services in and out of our lives.

[509] I'm one of five kids.

[510] I got four sisters, two older, two younger.

[511] And, yeah, I started getting beat as a one -year -old from what I was told is because I'd shit myself, right?

[512] It's what kids, infants do.

[513] And so that's when it started.

[514] Wow, you got beat for going to the bathroom?

[515] Shit in my diaper, yeah.

[516] Yeah.

[517] The story is I shipped my diaper, reached in my diaper, wiped on the walls, and then I got beat for it.

[518] Neither parent owns up to it, but both parents have blamed each other.

[519] Just because of the physical abuse on my father's side, 100 % has to be him.

[520] My mom was not...

[521] physically aggressive by nature.

[522] You know what I mean?

[523] She definitely whipped my ass, you know, a good amount, but it was never with the mean intentions, you know, comparable to my father.

[524] It was more verbal on her end.

[525] But, yeah, so it started then.

[526] And, bro, since the time I've had memory, I remember getting my head stomped, getting beat, getting screamed at, slap, humiliated, just run down, told you're never going to be anything.

[527] And, you know, my sister's received, unfortunately, received the same treatment.

[528] And, yeah, so, I mean, abuse has been something and toxic, I mean, toxic.

[529] Like, when I'm going to say, like, breaking somebody down, I didn't have an ounce of self -esteem.

[530] I was my dad's puppet.

[531] I didn't know no life being homeschooled.

[532] You do school, right?

[533] Is he still around?

[534] Still living, yeah, still living.

[535] I'm not sure where.

[536] I've parted ways with him, and I don't want to talk to him.

[537] Next time I see him is probably, you know, when it's done.

[538] And, uh...

[539] I don't hate him.

[540] You know what I mean?

[541] I don't hate him.

[542] But I despise him as a human being as far as, you know, what he's given back to the world and the kind of person that he's accepted to be.

[543] But yeah, I mean, yeah, he's still around.

[544] I just don't know where and I don't really care where.

[545] So I know my mom still lives at the house that I grew up in.

[546] It's so hard to believe that some people are capable of becoming what they become, you know, and to do that to their child.

[547] You know what's fucked up about it the most is that.

[548] It was almost better for me to have never known him than to know him and see how it went and lose him.

[549] You know what I mean?

[550] Because I love that man as a child.

[551] That was my idol.

[552] Nobody could beat him in the gym.

[553] Like that was, that's what I thought.

[554] And I never thought he was a liar, you know, and then right around 15 years old.

[555] And I definitely think I was behind, you know what I mean, socially.

[556] Um, just because of being homeschooled.

[557] So my dad wound up getting Social Security disability and he was a stay -at -home dad.

[558] You know what I mean?

[559] Collecting SSD and fucking doing nothing.

[560] But beating his kids and screaming and sitting basically just being, you know, a child abuser to all of us.

[561] And, you know, and.

[562] Never once has he ever taken accountability for the wrongs that he's done.

[563] And if he's tried to finagle it, it's been to be like, hey, you were a bad kid.

[564] It's like, yo, I want to know how I was a bad kid.

[565] I didn't steal.

[566] Sure, I lied as a kid out of fear because I was afraid to get my head stomps or get beat like a man. You know, I didn't get a traditional ass whooping, Joe.

[567] Like neither of my sisters either.

[568] They got picked up by their necks, picked up by their hair, strangled, you know, and...

[569] There's many stories, you know.

[570] And as you know, we have a documentary, right?

[571] And I refrained from putting the details of specific stories because the documentary is not about woe is me, poor me. It's about A. I never through all of this gave up on the dream to get to the UFC.

[572] Even when I broke my arm and I thought I was doing...

[573] I did everything right.

[574] I didn't go out and party.

[575] I didn't go out and do drugs.

[576] I've never...

[577] I've never smoked weed.

[578] I've never done...

[579] And I'm not saying weed's a drug, but I've never smoked weed.

[580] I've never smoked a cigarette.

[581] I've never taken...

[582] Pop the pill.

[583] I've never done anything.

[584] I didn't go out to strip clubs.

[585] I didn't go out and bring girls home from the bar.

[586] It's never been me. So...

[587] Yeah, I mean.

[588] You were just always focused.

[589] I was obsessed with this.

[590] I was obsessed with this.

[591] And I was obsessed with this because I knew if I couldn't do this, I would have checked out.

[592] And that's what made me, you know, that's what made me like keep going, motherfucker, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

[593] And I just kept beating down the door of people like my coach that, you know, has come with me. I've known that man since I was 10 years old, you know, and he's seen me where in the gym?

[594] And nothing's changed.

[595] He could tell you that from, you know, the only thing that's changed is my maturity, the way I look at life, perspective.

[596] But, yeah, man, I mean, it was a rough background.

[597] It only got worse as I got older.

[598] It's a horrible thing to hear.

[599] You know, as a parent, it's terrifying to think that another parent could do that to their child, but we all know it's true.

[600] And we all know that it can do one of two things to someone.

[601] It could just ruin your life.

[602] Or it can give you this unstoppable fuel.

[603] And that's what it seems to have done with you.

[604] I would never wish that on anybody.

[605] But I often see people like you that are so fucking driven and so angry in there.

[606] and so effective because of that, like, so dangerous because of that.

[607] I often wonder, like, is it even possible to make a guy like you without that?

[608] I don't think so.

[609] I look at like Mike Tyson.

[610] Same thing.

[611] I don't think so.

[612] But I think that's where I have my appreciation for him, you know.

[613] I'll never discredit him.

[614] I would not be in the sport if it wasn't for him.

[615] He was the one that went to the gym.

[616] He's the one to introduce me, and I will give respect where it's due, right?

[617] And that's the respect to the visitors.

[618] Was he a fighter?

[619] So he grew up in Kensington, Philadelphia.

[620] I don't know how well you know Philadelphia.

[621] Shithole.

[622] Bad parents.

[623] Mom apparently was, you know...

[624] borderline, I don't know if she was a prostitute or whatever, but he was homeless from, he was passed home to home.

[625] He was always passed back and forth to his parents, so he lived a much rougher life than me. And, you know, he got jumped all the time.

[626] Back then, it was, you know, a very segregated type.

[627] you know, you don't come into this part of Philly and you don't cross this part of Philly.

[628] And so he would get jumped all the time.

[629] I think he was like a timid, like skinny, nerdy, malnutrition child growing up.

[630] So I know his dad, my grandpa, who I've met a handful of times, was in the Vietnam War.

[631] But then when he came back, apparently my dad's stories that he used to sell drugs all the time and, was always high and like that's that's the story he painted to us so in my eyes like we never knew him really other than a handful of times we met him because they were bad people and he despised them and he he always held like the craziest anger towards his family like they all blackballed him he was the black sheep so yeah i mean he grew up rough too but uh yeah i mean he um he boxed apparently for a long time you know he used to tell everybody he was 115 and 4 he can't fucking find the guy's records anywhere 100 % bullshit dude's a fucking storyteller but um he could box you know what I mean even if he didn't fight he could box he would do well against guys that were pro boxers or fight guys that were in the gym my dad was a tough dude he was good um but uh you know definitely always lied for his convenience for his story and uh yeah as he was learning jujitsu with a guy named Steve Hague who wound up owning Fight Factory, who taught me jiu -jitsu alongside with my dad, but that's how I got into it.

[632] So I owe him a thanks for the tools that he gave me for the house I have gone to build.

[633] That's how I see it, you know what I mean?

[634] I don't think he ever intended to give me these tools and me go and fucking build a house with it.

[635] And I think he despises me for it.

[636] I mean, he's one of the guys when I broke my arms sends a message, face down, ass up, just how you like it.

[637] You'll never, I told you.

[638] Bro, he sent a lot of shit, man. He has said a lot of shit.

[639] And don't get me wrong, I've said a lot of shit back.

[640] Like, we've argued, you know what I mean?

[641] He brings that special rage where I would, I would, like, lose my life or his life over it.

[642] You know what I mean?

[643] Like, I have to separate myself from him.

[644] Jesus Christ.

[645] So, yeah, I mean, but, yeah, there's no holds bar when it comes to that guy.

[646] The way he manipulates, the way he lies, the way he has basically hurt every single person.

[647] He has no long -lasting friendships in his life.

[648] There's a reason for that, you know?

[649] Yeah, that's horrible.

[650] Yeah, so not a good human being.

[651] It's not good, but again, I mean, I hate to say it, but in your line of work, it's like a superpower.

[652] Yeah.

[653] It is a superpower, you know what I mean?

[654] I got that dark devil with me when I need them.

[655] And I don't mind it.

[656] You know what I mean?

[657] I can be a sweetheart.

[658] I could be a good person.

[659] I'm a giving person.

[660] I give a lot back in the dark to my teammates, you know.

[661] One of the kids is Jose Soto, just, by the way, I got surgery today.

[662] Hope you're doing well.

[663] I think he's going to, like he's got one eye, like visibility, and he's one of the toughest guys I've ever sparred, and he's an amateur.

[664] How is it that I wanted to ask you about this like you know Shara Bullitt has one eye That's why I'm saying it because I'm telling you right now this kid will whoop that dude How is Shara Bullitt able to fight?

[665] I mean how do you pass athletic commission standards?

[666] So I I don't know so I think that from what I've heard It's it depends on the commission and where you're fighting in PA I know yes to have I think and I may be wrong So somebody don't roast me for it, but I think you have to have, I think it's called a 22, 2 ,200.

[667] You have to, it's like, has to be some type of visibility.

[668] So you have to, you'll see objects or, like, movement.

[669] Yeah, an object, shape, something.

[670] You have to be able to at least identify something out of that eye.

[671] And, uh, yeah, I mean, I think.

[672] That is the craziest way to fight when you already have lost one eye.

[673] Bro, he's bigger than me. The kid I'm talking about is bigger than me. He's bigger, he's like 225 right now.

[674] And he's in shape, abs cut.

[675] I'm telling you, I can't wait for this kid's future.

[676] But my point is, is like, I get back to a lot of, I try to get back to a lot of my teammates because I didn't let the things that hardened me and made me upset become a piece of shit.

[677] I don't think I'm a piece of shit.

[678] I think I'm a good person.

[679] You know, I don't think I'm the best person.

[680] I'm not the nicest guy by a long shot, right?

[681] But I think it's, this world is about...

[682] What you get, you give back and, you know, how you can.

[683] If you're not giving back in some way with success that you have, then I think you're a piece of shit.

[684] I don't care if you're a billionaire.

[685] You know, if you're not giving back and you're not trying to help the younger generation, that's already so fucked up.

[686] Especially the people around you, especially your tribe.

[687] Yeah, I mean.

[688] I couldn't agree more.

[689] The one eye thing, man, just still really freaks me out.

[690] Shout out to Michael Bisping.

[691] One of the fucking toughest dudes to ever do it.

[692] Hey, he did it in the dark.

[693] He scammed systems.

[694] He scammed the athletic commissions for 10 fights.

[695] For 10 fights, that dude fought with one eye and won the title.

[696] Look at the other part of it, right?

[697] Like, if he goes out there and he's getting smoked and he's not competitive, like, sure, pull his car and say, hey, you can't do this.

[698] But then you're going to tell somebody that they can't do what they've trained their whole life for because of something like that, that's not fair too.

[699] You know what I mean?

[700] Yeah.

[701] Right.

[702] Well, you look at Shara Bullitt.

[703] I mean, obviously, I mean, depth perception is the first thing that goes when you lose one eye.

[704] Yeah.

[705] It helps.

[706] But Shara Bullitt is like one of the most accurate and precision strikers.

[707] I mean, he's got some flaws in his game.

[708] It's a takedown defense.

[709] It's terrible.

[710] Yeah.

[711] He's got to, like, learn how to wrestle.

[712] A man did not know how to get off his back.

[713] Which is crazy.

[714] He's from Dagestan.

[715] From a guy that's not a wrestler.

[716] Right.

[717] Yeah, it's a problem.

[718] It's a problem.

[719] But also, him on his feet's a fucking problem.

[720] Oh, man, guy that kicks that much.

[721] I don't want to fight that guy.

[722] That dude's annoying.

[723] It's not even, it's like, I hate that kind of style.

[724] That shit that's shit.

[725] Like, Jack's style, irritates the fuck out of me. Jack Delamandelion?

[726] No, Jack Hermanson.

[727] Hermannsen.

[728] He's annoying and shit.

[729] Fucking bounces around, and, like, he's just an awkward, weird, like, weird shit.

[730] Shot of Bullets, not weird, but, you know, he's so fast and kicks, and, man. I want a bang, not kick.

[731] Hermanson and you is when?

[732] When is that?

[733] February 10th.

[734] Nice.

[735] Yeah, so like 25 days or some shit like that, but not too far out.

[736] I'm counting.

[737] That's a very good fight for you.

[738] It's a very good fight for me. I think a lot of people will try to pull this experience bullshit again.

[739] And he's definitely my toughest fight on paper, and I think he will be my toughest test.

[740] But one thing is for sure.

[741] He better not let me get that one.

[742] I got that one.

[743] So he's a dog.

[744] He's tough.

[745] But I think we know what his style is.

[746] If you look at Jack, it's like you got to get the takedown, brother.

[747] Because if you stand and bang with me, I'm going to put you down.

[748] You know what I mean?

[749] I'm not playing for decisions.

[750] And, you know, shit, it might come back to bite me, right?

[751] Am I say it all confident?

[752] I might lose.

[753] Might happen.

[754] But I just don't think that that's, I don't think that's the next chapter for me. And, uh, yeah.

[755] There it is.

[756] Yeah.

[757] So it's the fight night at the apex?

[758] I'm an ugly motherfucker on TV, man. No, you look great.

[759] That's nonsense.

[760] The fucking apex is the greatest place ever to see.

[761] I like it.

[762] Everybody's complaining that I keep fighting there, but I like it, man. I like hearing my shots.

[763] I like hearing that.

[764] Yeah, you hear it.

[765] I want to hear it.

[766] I want to hear him grunt when I hit him.

[767] I want to hear him wince.

[768] Like, I want to see it.

[769] Like, I don't have any outside noise blocking that.

[770] You can hear your coach.

[771] You can hear your corner.

[772] Yeah.

[773] It's the, to me, the, like, when we were doing the COVID fights, when we were doing a lot of the fights from the Apex Center, including, like, world title fights.

[774] Like Francis in Ghana, when he beats Depe, there was no crowd, which was so crazy.

[775] But for me, as a commentator and as an audience member, I was like, God, how lucky am I that I'm here for this?

[776] That this is like, you know, the whole world's fucking shut down.

[777] And I get to be cage side for this with nobody else here.

[778] It was a fortunate time, man. It was a fortunate time to, I think, like being in your position like you're saying, right?

[779] You know, be able to be there.

[780] You've been around for so long, no, man. Like, you earn that, right?

[781] I mean...

[782] and you're a part of the UFC in a big, big way.

[783] You're not just a commentator, you know what I mean?

[784] So you being a part of that is also historic too, you know?

[785] But being able to see it with a guy like that in person, that's why I was upset when John Jones, man, I was going to go to that fight.

[786] Yeah.

[787] Oh, man, because he's on his way out.

[788] I love John Jones.

[789] I love John Jones, too.

[790] That dude is, I hate when everybody so much sidesteps him.

[791] I know.

[792] When he tore that peck muscle, I was so bummed out.

[793] God damn, I wanted to see him versus Steepay.

[794] There's still hope, maybe.

[795] Yeah, maybe.

[796] I mean, it seems like that's what they want to do.

[797] It seems like that's the fight that they want to do.

[798] He keeps vocalizing to Tom Aspinall, you know what I mean?

[799] And I feel like he already wrote, which we all kind of assumed, but I think he'll have that fight with Steepay if Stepe's still hanging around.

[800] And then, you know, kind of run off into...

[801] Maybe, or maybe he'll do aspiral, depending upon, I mean...

[802] I don't think he has any interest, to be honest.

[803] You don't think so?

[804] No. Why not, man?

[805] What?

[806] Elbow surgery also?

[807] When did he have this?

[808] He said while he was having peck surgery because he had to recover for so long, he went ahead and got his elbow done too.

[809] Was this recently?

[810] Yeah, like, I thought this was the video, but this was like 11 weeks ago.

[811] Wasn't this the day?

[812] This was the day out right after, or a couple days out after it happened, I think, that video.

[813] Oh, okay.

[814] I'll find it.

[815] This is not recent, though.

[816] That punching the thing is not recent.

[817] This was like two weeks ago, a week ago.

[818] I thought it was on his Instagram account, but I'll look it up real quick.

[819] The thing is, like, John is, what, 36 now?

[820] Is that how old he is?

[821] No, I think he's...

[822] I thought he was 38.

[823] I don't know.

[824] I wonder, I wonder, how old was John?

[825] 30s.

[826] Oh, I just had it right here.

[827] But a week ago, he had elbow surgery to shave off bones.

[828] 36.

[829] Yeah, 36.

[830] I thought he was a little bit older than that.

[831] Yeah.

[832] When you start getting surgeries, when shit starts falling off.

[833] Bro, that's me now.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Well, that one injury for sure.

[836] John Jones said he has sort of shaved bones spurs in his left elbow.

[837] So exactly that, right?

[838] So what I just told you about my pain in my elbow, I have like six or seven of those in my elbow right now.

[839] So imagine, and that's where all the nerves are.

[840] Yeah.

[841] Yeah, so, man, some days I got a, I'm in pain.

[842] And they can't go in there and scoop those out?

[843] Not before this fight.

[844] After the fight, you think?

[845] I'm definitely going to mention it.

[846] I'm definitely going to mention it.

[847] Have you done any stem cells or anything for that?

[848] So I had a torn labrum and I got some stem cells to try and fix that.

[849] And then honestly, it really agitated it where...

[850] You know, and then the fight got announced and everything.

[851] So this fight is sooner than I wanted it to be, in a way.

[852] But you don't say no to something like this.

[853] Like, this is a good fight for me. When I say good fight, I think that this is...

[854] a fight that I'm very capable of winning at this point in time with the trajectory I'm on with all the you know people call it hype but I fucking earned it this isn't hype this is called I paid my dues and I was out for a year and eight fucking months and made a comeback made my comeback fight with a broken left hand, still knocked that dude out, which was Derek Brunson's wrestling coach, came back, knocked down another guy.

[855] You know what I mean?

[856] So I earned there.

[857] You had a broken left hand going into that fight?

[858] I broke my left hand, my left thumb in half, like right where the joint is.

[859] And I still went in there.

[860] And I remember my coach was like.

[861] Yo, we got to bite down.

[862] We just got to do this, man. Like, you do this, you're going back to the UFC.

[863] It was the first time I ever worked with my head coach, John Marquez.

[864] How far out did you break your thumb from the fight?

[865] I think it was nine days.

[866] Oh, God.

[867] Damn.

[868] Jesus Christ.

[869] When they grabbed my hand, like the commission, like the medical tent, and they grabbed my hand, and I was like, ugh.

[870] But I wound up getting it.

[871] I took an XL glove or double XL glove because my hands aren't that big, but I, bro, it was terrible.

[872] It was terrible.

[873] Did you find a way to tape it in some way?

[874] Yeah, I mean, we still taped it up like it was a fight, right?

[875] So I still had tons of pain, but the pressure stopped me from feeling like it was like...

[876] floating around so and I actually threw it like maybe three four times in that fight just out of like habit and but yeah I mean first fight back year in eight months break your break your left hand I have the x -ray for it and then you know let alone the nerves I had to come back I'd never throw my right hand in a real fight and man it was awful and then three weeks later I was playing basketball I'd love playing basketball And fucking broke my ankle.

[877] And the UFC calls and says, hey, you want to fight on the contender series?

[878] So when I say I've had injury after injury, and it keeps going.

[879] Do you think, like, maybe I shouldn't play basketball?

[880] Maybe I shouldn't do stuff outside.

[881] Yeah.

[882] So, but, you know, so, yeah, you know, but here's the thing.

[883] I don't, my theory on life, it could be wrong.

[884] I don't want to cheat myself along the way to do the things that I still love, you know?

[885] Like, and if I have to stop, if I have to live so fucking careful, I'm going to develop that habit to live like a fucking hermit crap.

[886] Right.

[887] And I, that's not me, man. I get on a motorcycle.

[888] I'm going 205 fucking mile an hour.

[889] Oh, Joe, don't do that.

[890] But that's me, bro.

[891] That's just, that's, I'm a thrill seeker.

[892] You remember Diego Corrales?

[893] No, I don't, I don't know.

[894] Follow boxing?

[895] Diego Kraus was like, he was involved.

[896] So the guy that's a paraplegic?

[897] No, he's dead now.

[898] Oh.

[899] He died in a motorcycle accident.

[900] Good job, Joe.

[901] He was a, he was a big boxer.

[902] He's famous for the one fight.

[903] Was it Jose Luis Castillo?

[904] Is that what it was?

[905] He had this fight with Jose Luis Castillo.

[906] It was like one of the greatest displays of guts because he was out, man. I mean, he was out.

[907] He was battered, his eyes or someone.

[908] Watch this fight.

[909] He's got in the red?

[910] Diego Corrales is in the white with the red stripes.

[911] Okay.

[912] And Jose Luis Castillo, who's also a very tough guy, is the guy in the red.

[913] And he rocks him and he hurts him.

[914] I mean, Kerales looks like he's done.

[915] I mean, he looks like he's done.

[916] He gets hit with a perfect left hook.

[917] He gets dropped.

[918] And he gets up.

[919] I mean, this is like an Arturo Gotti type performance.

[920] I mean, it was one of those fights where you just like, my God, he gets up.

[921] I mean, he is fucked.

[922] He's fucked.

[923] And Castillo catches him again.

[924] I mean, it looks like the fight's over.

[925] Some referees maybe even stop it right there.

[926] You know, I mean, some referees, you see you go down again like that, they're waving that off, right?

[927] A lot of referees.

[928] And then I would say good call, good stoppage.

[929] The guy's done, right?

[930] Watch this.

[931] I mean, Corrales' left eyes completely swollen shut, can't see shit.

[932] Get dropped twice.

[933] Looks like he could barely stand.

[934] He's talking to the referee.

[935] He's like, don't stop this.

[936] Don't stop this.

[937] I'm good.

[938] So he puts his mouthpiece back in.

[939] They're giving him some time here, which is nice.

[940] Gets back out in there.

[941] I mean, he's still fucked, right?

[942] Yeah.

[943] Yeah, you're not recovered.

[944] He looks bad.

[945] His legs don't look.

[946] And Castillo's a very big puncher.

[947] Yeah, he looks like he's with it.

[948] And he gets clipped again.

[949] I mean, this is like an all -time classic performance.

[950] Oh, he's got him.

[951] I mean, this is really like Mickey Ward and Arturo Gotti.

[952] Castillo will punch himself out.

[953] And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden he comes back.

[954] I mean, this is like from the verge of defeat, and he catches him with the left hook.

[955] Yeah, I mean, Steele's done.

[956] See, a look at his face.

[957] But it's crazy if you think about how Don Corales was, then the referee stops it right there.

[958] Yeah, he stops.

[959] I mean, crazy, crazy, crazy comeback.

[960] Well, Diego was a wild fella.

[961] And he died on a motorcycle.

[962] So, please, Joe.

[963] I've heard so many, so many bad stories.

[964] But, like, you won't, you don't get into a car.

[965] I'm going to give you my thought, right?

[966] You won't get into your car.

[967] You know, the car we talked about, the Camaro.

[968] You won't get in that and be like, man, I could die driving this.

[969] Now, you know the dangers of it.

[970] Yeah.

[971] You know how fast it is and whatnot, but you'll never, you'll never, like, I won't, I could die going in this cage.

[972] Right.

[973] I could get kicked.

[974] I could have one eye.

[975] I could be paraplegic.

[976] I could have my face broken, you know, and.

[977] I get it.

[978] You know what I mean?

[979] So I just, I don't do things thinking that I'm going to fail.

[980] It's just, it's not in my brain.

[981] Like, I won't, I don't know, I just won't do that because I'm not worried about you.

[982] I'm worried about the variabilities of the other people on the road.

[983] The people I can't control.

[984] Yeah, driving, you drunk and all that nonsense.

[985] Well, it makes you feel better.

[986] I don't have one right now.

[987] Good.

[988] And I got rid of it, so I live in a condo, so I got rid of it because I was going to put it in the house.

[989] And I was like, oh, my landlord wouldn't like that.

[990] So I was like, you're going to ride the bike right into the house?

[991] I was going to sit in the living room.

[992] Yeah.

[993] But I didn't do it, so I got rid of it.

[994] Yeah, but, yeah, I'm a thrill seeker, man. I love cars.

[995] Well, you tell me about your Evo.

[996] Yeah, I got that Evo 8, baby, wide body.

[997] Yeah?

[998] Yeah, big turbo.

[999] You got a picture of it?

[1000] Yeah, I do.

[1001] Dude, it's nice.

[1002] Send it to Jamie.

[1003] You get an air dropper to them.

[1004] That's a fucking great car.

[1005] All right, cool, because I got my tag on the back.

[1006] Those are great cars.

[1007] So you built that, right?

[1008] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1009] So we have, it had a 4G -6 -4, and now I'm gone 4G -6 -3.

[1010] So I'll send you two pictures so that way you can see the front and the back.

[1011] For people who don't know, explain what that car is.

[1012] So that car is an all -wheel drive 2006 Mitsubishi Evo.

[1013] It's a wild little car, man. It's super light, crazy handling.

[1014] Did I not save your number, Jamie?

[1015] I'm going to send it to you, Joe.

[1016] Can you air drop?

[1017] Does the airdrop work?

[1018] Can you see Jamie on the airdrop?

[1019] Let me see, yeah.

[1020] One second.

[1021] I'm looking through your Instagram, too.

[1022] You had other awesome cars on there, but not the Evo.

[1023] Jamie, there he is.

[1024] MacBook Pro?

[1025] Yep.

[1026] Cool.

[1027] Got it.

[1028] Got it?

[1029] Yeah, so that's been my therapy, right?

[1030] So I've always wanted to be in the car as my neighbor when I was young.

[1031] You know, his name was Henry Papiano.

[1032] Good dude.

[1033] Like, honestly, I love him because we don't talk all the time and I haven't talked to him in years, but...

[1034] Yeah, that's my baby.

[1035] That's a wild little car, dude.

[1036] It was built.

[1037] The body and the paint, that's an actual P1 McLaren paint job.

[1038] It's the real actual paint of it.

[1039] And obviously he's got the vortex on there, the wheels.

[1040] So I bought the car built as is with a 4G64 in it, but now it has a 4G63.

[1041] How many horsepower that thing have?

[1042] That setup was the 4G64 block, so that made estimated from what I was told from who I bought it from, that it made 808.

[1043] Okay.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] It's got a full roll cage.

[1046] It's so crazy.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] That car's got to weigh 2 ,000 pounds.

[1049] Now, man, let me tell you.

[1050] What does it weigh?

[1051] It's like 4 ,000 pounds.

[1052] Really?

[1053] Is that heavy?

[1054] Yeah, I think it's 38 to 4 ,100 pounds, something like that.

[1055] Dude, that is, you like my tag?

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] For body bags.

[1058] We got JP bags, baby.

[1059] So cars, man, I'll smile all day.

[1060] I could be around cars all day.

[1061] It's definitely something that's like a therapy for me. It's how I found like, I don't know, man. I love it.

[1062] I love it.

[1063] 808 horsepower.

[1064] It's the most agile car.

[1065] So I've driven the Lamborghini of Venador, which was a dream car of mine.

[1066] That's royalty exotics in Vegas.

[1067] They always hooked me up.

[1068] Every fight.

[1069] Yeah.

[1070] Man, they're going down in memory lane.

[1071] Yeah, I was trying to find your car.

[1072] I figured you would have to happen.

[1073] That's a wild car, man. Yeah.

[1074] Yeah, that was the first Corvette ever bought.

[1075] It was a C5 -Z6.

[1076] Stock as hell.

[1077] Oh, those are fun cars, though.

[1078] It was a turd.

[1079] They're fun, though.

[1080] They're kind of plastic -y.

[1081] Yeah, yeah.

[1082] But you know what?

[1083] I have to say, my dream car was a C -606.

[1084] I went up getting one.

[1085] And then I didn't like the interior compared to that one.

[1086] Right.

[1087] Because I like the leather.

[1088] I like the old look.

[1089] I don't like the plastic look of a lot of modern cars.

[1090] Well, Corvette nailed it with the new interior.

[1091] The new interior is perfect.

[1092] Yeah.

[1093] So the new interior is cool, but I hate the C8 look because they took away from the traditional long snout, you know, real wheel drive.

[1094] Like now it's a mid -engine short snout.

[1095] Like I'm not a fan of it.

[1096] And I can't fit in it very well.

[1097] Right.

[1098] So I don't like it.

[1099] That's why I will never buy a Lamborghini.

[1100] I'll never buy a Ferrari.

[1101] I won't buy a Porsche.

[1102] I don't fit in it.

[1103] And I think Porsche is ugly.

[1104] Really?

[1105] Yeah.

[1106] I'm not.

[1107] I know.

[1108] Yo, I will say driving a GT3 is amazing though.

[1109] But the Evo, man, I've never driven a car that fun in my life.

[1110] It's wild what you can do with some of those Japanese cars.

[1111] Like with some of the things that people do to GTRs.

[1112] Yeah.

[1113] They have GTRs that are like 2 ,000 horsepower.

[1114] Yeah, it's insane.

[1115] I'm Godzilla's.

[1116] Fucking insane.

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] Have you ever been to a drag strip?

[1119] Yes.

[1120] Yeah?

[1121] You've raced?

[1122] No, I've never driven a car on a drag strip.

[1123] Now, would you?

[1124] No. I'm not interested in doing that.

[1125] No?

[1126] I've seen too many of them go like this.

[1127] We...

[1128] Like, like...

[1129] Oh, like...

[1130] Oh, like...