#514 - Duke Roufus

[0] The Joe Rogan experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

[2] My friend, fellow martial artist, former world kickboxing champion, commentator for glory, more accolades on and on.

[3] And I'm trainer of some of the greatest mixed martial arts artists on the planet Earth.

[4] Duke Rufus, ladies and gentlemen.

[5] Thanks, Joe.

[6] It's been a pleasure.

[7] We had a great workout today.

[8] We were exchanging some thoughts.

[9] Retro -Rogan, man. That's our new term, retro -Rogan.

[10] Well, those techniques, what we're talking about is martial arts techniques that were a part of what you would consider traditional martial arts like Taekwondo or karate, that a lot of these techniques are starting to find their way into MMA.

[11] And kickboxing.

[12] And kickboxing.

[13] Raymond Daniels, knock out of the century at Glory 16.

[14] Yeah, he threw this, Raymond Daniels, who was a guy who had a background of karate.

[15] Is that as, is he karate or Taekwondo?

[16] Kempo.

[17] Kempo.

[18] Very similar.

[19] Not unlike MMA, open martial arts tournaments Even though you have one style Everyone's got to learn how to do it So everyone knows how to spin kick and so forth That was an incredible kick Yeah, he threw like a sidekick With his right leg And then in the middle of the air Spun and hit the guy with a spinning sidekick In the face with his left leg It was just beautiful to watch Go look it up on YouTube It's incredible Yeah, pull it up Raymond Daniel We might have played it on the podcast because it was so awesome, like after it happened, Raymond Daniels, uh, K .O. It's just wild, wild kick.

[20] And it was a, a crazy fight before that, that he was in this wild exchange, caught the guy with a punch, heard him, dropped him, and then finished him off of this wild kick.

[21] Did it in style.

[22] Actually, I mean, you look at some of the, we were talking, MMA kicks, yeah.

[23] Oh, that's so crazy.

[24] Now, even some cool stuff, some of my favorite spin kicks in kickboxing were Stefan Leco versus, uh, Botter Hari won in Amsterdam.

[25] He knocked Botter Harry out with a back kick.

[26] Then that was June of 05.

[27] Then November, November, December of 05, Botter Hari came back and knocked him out with a wheel kick.

[28] Yeah.

[29] And then, I think a year later, Peter Graham knocked out Bader Hari with a rolling thunder kick.

[30] I mean, people don't think of that, those type of moves in kickboxing, but yeah, people are using them.

[31] High -level guys.

[32] If you could do, we were, it's one of the things we were talking about today.

[33] If you can do the traditional techniques, like in kickboxing, leg kicks, knees, all those things.

[34] If you're good at all those things, then you can add those things to your repertoire, the rolling thunder kicks, the wheel kicks.

[35] So we're starting to see that a little bit more in kickboxing, but a lot more in MMA.

[36] And MMA has become a big weapon.

[37] Yeah, I think in MMA is just so wide open because there's so many weapons on the battlefield.

[38] It's easier to catch people with them because you don't know.

[39] is the takedown, four -ounce gloves, changes everything, the size of the cage, they move around a little more.

[40] It's a controlled chaos in there, and I enjoy that.

[41] I can kind of get crazy with striking.

[42] Well, the thing is that you're in a really interesting position, too, because you're, I mean, people think of the UFC as being an established sport, and it most certainly is.

[43] It's on Fox.

[44] It's on pay -per -view.

[45] You know, you say UFC.

[46] Everybody knows what you're talking about.

[47] Pretty much mainstream.

[48] However, it's still in this growth, stage as far as the techniques themselves no one had like if you're playing football there's pretty much everybody plays football like a football player yeah you know you what you don't see people doing anything you're like where the fuck did that come from but in mma on any given night you'll see some crazy submission that no one's ever done before you'll see someone do some crazy flying kick that no one's ever attempted before you see things that you'll see them for the first time ever like in a match and you go That's the first time.

[49] Like, perfect example.

[50] Mitch Clark pulled off a dars choke from the bottom against Al Iaquinta.

[51] And no one had never done that before.

[52] No. In the history of the UFC, nobody had ever pulled off a dars, like a guard past dars, like Jeff Glover hits that move all the time.

[53] Guard past dars in an MMA fight.

[54] Nobody has ever done it from the bottom.

[55] That's what I enjoy about MMA.

[56] Like I said, the chaos, something news happening.

[57] I mean, I remember when Alan.

[58] Belcher.

[59] Alan Natalyn says Hanato would call him.

[60] But my man Alan Belcher hit that Superman punch at the UFC 100.

[61] Yeah.

[62] And that was kind of the beginning of even our little evolution of doing it.

[63] And then Anthony did it against Bart Pellasheck.

[64] He did a Superman punch in WC.

[65] And then, of course, his showtime kick.

[66] And against roller, you actually used the cage to sweep roller.

[67] I mean, you were at our old gym.

[68] You saw how small it was.

[69] And that's where a lot of our, like, you know, birth of those techniques.

[70] And I told you how it started.

[71] It's a blend of Unbach in the movie, The Lords of Dogtown, the documentary on it, like how they change skating.

[72] And I just, I don't know, I got in a cloudy little phase where I just Unbock, run off the cage, and all these other techniques.

[73] And here we are.

[74] I actually, I mean, I'm not BS.

[75] And when I say Anthony has like another 10 moves he can do off the cage.

[76] It's awesome.

[77] Oh, I believe it.

[78] That was the thing about the showtime kick was that it was pretty, clear after he threw the kick and then after he talked about it this is not a technique that just came up with on the fly this is something that they drilled oh yeah it was so funny september before that fight um he did a shoot with uh the ufc magazine and he was doing the kick off the wall just on the pads and they're like stop like what did we do wrong we want to get our iPhones out to film this they're loving all the cool things he's doing and then in that camp he was doing it a lot off the wall with his training partners i mean uh I love Anthony's my really good friend.

[79] We're close.

[80] He's a godfather, my little daughter, and he's so open -minded.

[81] I'll show him something, and people look at him like, yeah, right.

[82] I remember my really good friend, Giuseppe, I was up at his place.

[83] I was showing the showtime kick at a seminar, the seminar before.

[84] Everyone's like, there's no way.

[85] And I got so many texts after the fight.

[86] Yeah, you were right.

[87] You know, I love that.

[88] I mean, you know, it's, again, like you're talking about, who would have thought Alan Belcher did what he did against Paul Horace.

[89] He put him in the twister, almost finished him with the twister.

[90] And then, again, we've seen the Korean zombie catch Leonard Garcia with the twister.

[91] I mean, these are all moves to be, oh, this doesn't work.

[92] I think anything works if you train it enough.

[93] Yeah, and the Paul Harris fight was really interesting with Alan Belcher because Paul Harris is known for being this terrifying leg lock master.

[94] Nobody wants to go to the ground with him because you go to the ground with him, he just rips guys' legs apart.

[95] I mean, you saw it in his World Series fighting premiere.

[96] Oh, yeah.

[97] He fought for 30 seconds, got to hold the guy's leg.

[98] He rips his ligaments apart.

[99] It's death.

[100] I call him the Mike Tyson of grappling.

[101] Like people fear grappling him.

[102] There's not a lot of guys that people are like, I fear, but he has that Mike Tyson -esque approach.

[103] Like, oh, man, my leg's going to be toast.

[104] You know, and I remember in the fight, no, Alan.

[105] Oh, wait, keep doing that.

[106] You're doing great, Alan.

[107] Yeah, when he went to the ground with him and he was engaging him with leg locks, I was like, this is crazy.

[108] He's going to get submitted here.

[109] He's going to get his leg ripped apart.

[110] But Alan had perfect defense.

[111] It was one step ahead the entire way.

[112] You could really see that he had studied Paul Harris' game and just knew how to defend it and just was with him every step of the way and then beat him down.

[113] Oh, no, that was fun.

[114] Again, I love having people do things that people can't or don't think they can do.

[115] I did an interview with Ron Kroc on Inside MMA.

[116] Right the week of Anthony's fight with Henderson.

[117] They said, so how's the fight going to go down?

[118] He's going to beat him with Star.

[119] I said he's going to beat him any way he wants.

[120] They're like, yeah, right.

[121] I'm telling you, he can submit Ben Henderson.

[122] Who is the closest ever to submitting Ben Henderson?

[123] Before he did.

[124] Anthony.

[125] Yeah, exactly.

[126] You almost caught him with the guillotine, right?

[127] He had his back.

[128] Yep.

[129] So the guillotine, any had the rear naked choke.

[130] So, you know, I love instilling that never put limits on yourself.

[131] You know what I mean?

[132] You talk about it in your broadcast.

[133] And if you're world -class, that one thing, you can decide to be world -class and another thing.

[134] You take that drive you had that got you to be a world -class martial artist in this discipline, go put it in the other one.

[135] Well, I think people forget, too, with Anthony Pettis, who's the current UFC lightweight champion, people forget how good his ground game is because he's so scary standing up.

[136] They think of him as the guy who knocked out Joe Lozahn with a head kick, knocked out Donald Soroni with a liver kick.

[137] They think of him as this devastating kicker, which he most certainly is.

[138] But they forget about his triangle of Shane Roller.

[139] They forget about his wicked ground game that he showed.

[140] In the first Henderson fight where he took his back, he had his back for a full round.

[141] I believe him, I'm going to look him up quick.

[142] He might have more wins by submission than knockout, actually.

[143] That's crazy.

[144] But people forget, for whatever reason, they don't think of his ground game as like the same level as they think of his striking game.

[145] And it's just, it's because his striking game is so scary because everybody's afraid to get knocked out.

[146] And his striking game is very unique.

[147] in its effectiveness.

[148] Well, what I love about a lot of the guys that train, mostly all the guys and gals that train, they're very open -minded.

[149] They want to get better all the time.

[150] Anthony's had a little downtime.

[151] He couldn't kick, so he's becoming a master boxer.

[152] They see it up there.

[153] 15 submissions, 65 % by submission.

[154] Yep, there you go.

[155] That's crazy.

[156] Yeah, you know, it's, I love the change, you know.

[157] Again, everyone's worried about the knockout, but he wants to go to the mass. He can do it all.

[158] That kid can do it all.

[159] It's got to be nice for you, too.

[160] Like, having trained that guy, like, from the jump and to see him, like, flourish and become the WEC champion and then the UFC champion in such a spectacular way.

[161] That's got to be beautiful.

[162] Yeah, I mean, I started crying slightly in Milwaukee in the Octagon.

[163] Tears of joy.

[164] I mean, if anyone deserved it, he did, he's got a great attitude.

[165] He's a cool kid.

[166] I always say he's the coolest famous guy.

[167] I mean, wherever else we go, everyone knows.

[168] knows him as a guy who jumped off the cage, he's showtime.

[169] But to me, he's just Anthony, this really cool kid.

[170] When he's at our academy, he's just mellow and he's in his element.

[171] He's a very humble guy, but that's what makes him great.

[172] You know, he's, he, we might go to Thailand and do some cross training with San Chai.

[173] I want to talk to Nick Holtskin from Glory and, and having, like, Anthony's hungry to train with everyone.

[174] One of his best friends from Milwaukee's on the money team, one of the top boxers, he's 8 -0 for Floyd.

[175] weather so while he's in Vegas doing the ultimate fighter he's going to be training with the money team too i mean this is the type of guy he's uh wants to be a master martial artist so he's trying to train with the best glory guys best moitai boxers wrestling jiu jitsu you name it he'll do it yeah and as we're talking about before this sport is really evolving and growing and developing and you know in a lot of ways he represents a new element he represents like the taekwondo stylist who got really good at everything else and now has that weapon above everybody else.

[176] Everybody can moitai, everybody can do jiu -jitsu, everybody can wrestle.

[177] But not everybody can throw kicks like him on top of all those things.

[178] And he's one of the few guys that's known, like very crow cop -like in a way, known for just devastating kicks.

[179] That's a big weapon to have.

[180] What I love about kicks, they're very unpredictable strikes.

[181] And when they hit you and they didn't land, they still hurt you.

[182] Yeah, they hit your arm.

[183] Yeah, and you're like, what was that?

[184] You know, I love that look on fighter's face when he kicks him.

[185] It's like, the look in their face, like, what?

[186] Wait a minute.

[187] I'm not supposed to feel like that.

[188] Yeah, dude, you were demonstrating shit on me today, just lightly touching me and demonstrating shit.

[189] This kicks to my forearm, just popping the shin into my forearm.

[190] It's like, oh, your arm starts going numb, and you're barely hitting me, barely hitting my leg, just thumping it, just a little bit of that.

[191] And it's like, man, you can't even, for the average person, they really have no idea what it would feel like if a guy like Pettis or a guy like you leg kicked him.

[192] They have no fucking idea how hard that would be.

[193] Well, even let's think about Anderson shattering his leg and Tyrone Spung.

[194] Yeah.

[195] Like when I was at the glory fight where Tyrone Spung, I knew right away, I'm like, the fight's over.

[196] You could hear, it was like being at a baseball game and you heard the crack of a bat, you know.

[197] Oh, you heard the shins now?

[198] Yeah, I heard it right away.

[199] It was a very ugly sound.

[200] And, you know, that's a one dip.

[201] Like, I'll explain combat sports.

[202] Like, I always get people one's better than the other.

[203] They're all freaking crazy.

[204] I think it's crazy to have to do eight jiu -jitsu matches in a day to win the world.

[205] Some jiu -jitsu.

[206] I think it's crazy to have to do 10 -minute rounds in Abu Dhabis and how many studs.

[207] I mean, it's crazy to win an NCAA championship.

[208] how many matches over how many days it's crazy to box 12 rounds and get punched in the dome for 12 rounds it's crazy to get elbowed and clinched in thailand it's crazy to win a glory tournament it's crazy to m -ma they're all tough in their own right i love i respect each one of them but when it comes to striking i think the most brutal thing you'll ever do striking wise is an eight -man tournament which happened in glory this weekend because you've got to beat three dudes in one night.

[209] So you got to, like, imagine you kick me really hard.

[210] My arms jacked.

[211] Well, I won, but my right arm doesn't work.

[212] Wait a minute, you kick my left leg, my hand's broken.

[213] I mean, I've never been able to win, uh, beat three guys in a night.

[214] I've tried and it's tough.

[215] I'm better at single fights, but these guys who go out there and can beat three guys in one night and find the nuts to do it.

[216] I don't know how they do it still.

[217] I only fought kickboxing three times and it was all in one night.

[218] I fought in a, tournament like that oh wow i won the first fight won the second fight and then i lost in the finals you you're so beat up by the time you get to the finals your body is just done it's like you're you're it's like fighting with the flu it's like fighting you just there's nothing left you're a shadow of yourself and plus you have time to cool off yeah that's that getting that adrenaline kicked in again it's like i remember um 2001 i fought in vegas i knocked out tumas kuzer shusky right away i felt great like woo celebrate oh shit it.

[219] Hey, asshole, you've got to fight again.

[220] So I've got to go get up, but fight Mike McDonald and your body cools down, you know, you got to be able to control, you know, I mean, I love fight, and I knock the guy out, so you get so high.

[221] There's no better feeling than finishing someone in a fight.

[222] So you're like, oh wait, toned down, dude, you've got two more fights to win, you know, and it's a special thing.

[223] I think that is the wildest feat.

[224] Another crazy sport to me is Kayo Kishin Karate.

[225] I was at an All -Japan Karate Championship and I've never seen those guys are the most insane people.

[226] They just sit there and you kick me, I kick you.

[227] You punch me with bare knuckle and one of us falls down and we'll fight 16 guys in a day.

[228] Don't think that that's a really inefficient way to fight though?

[229] I don't understand it.

[230] They're not punching to the face.

[231] They're punching to the body.

[232] They're standing right in front of each other.

[233] I just think...

[234] Not all of them.

[235] You know, there's the great ones like Andy Hug.

[236] Right.

[237] Michael Thompson who were more effective you know, they move around and, you know, that's actually GSP's core discipline.

[238] You know, there are guys who really get into the Budo.

[239] I'm not into it.

[240] I think it's more dangerous than Maita, you know.

[241] Me, the style, I love Maita, but the style I've always related to is the evasive fighters who hit and don't get hit.

[242] I mean, that's my rule.

[243] I'd like to hit you a lot and please never hit me. Well, I think we're seeing that more reinforced and appreciated more in MMA.

[244] there was a period of time that was disturbing to me where guys were just banging you know i remember i read some guy's twitter account who's a really nice guy and i read something he wrote something about like fuck technical striking you know i think what you do is you get out to if you're a man you stand in the center of the cage and you bang you meet each other in the cage and bang and let the chips fall where they may and i'm like that is the craziest that's so i can't even tell you how dumb that is.

[245] That's like saying fuck steering when you're on a race car truck.

[246] Fuck steering.

[247] You just fucking hit that gas.

[248] Whoever gets to the finish line gets to the finish line.

[249] That's so ridiculous.

[250] Like, you have to be technical.

[251] Otherwise, you're not you're not, you're not doing it your best.

[252] What you're doing is you're handicapping yourself for machismo, for bravado?

[253] Like, why would you stand in front of a guy and trade blows with him?

[254] That's ridiculous.

[255] There is a chronic problem.

[256] I'd say right now in MMA, there's a lot of fighters who have had some cerebral issues and you know i think martin campman's taking some time off i know i can't say a few other fighters i know of that i've heard and i'm not sure if it's public they've taken time off from from taking too many blows and you know your thing that should be i thought martial arts is about self -defense you know if we really get to the root of martial arts it's learned not to get your ass kicked and i think the defense is everything the greatest fighters in every discipline have all that defense you know and i think whether it's grappling whether you know great wrestlers don't get taken down great jiu jitsu guys don't get submitted great kickboxers don't get knocked out mayweather doesn't get hit um you know like you're saying a lot it's easy to get i i went through a stage of my career where yeah man i'm going to go out there and put on a show and you know i'm just going to bleed for the crowd well you know what when you're done bleeding you put the show on uh it doesn't help your career i'm not saying fight boring you but I'm like just purposely going out there and making it exciting yeah making it over exciting I mean you can be exciting and not get hit I mean that's what I try and teach my guys you know if you're getting hit you're losing well it is an art form and it sounds crazy to call martial I mean the term martial arts it seems to a lot of people to be an inaccurate term or a term that doesn't seem to make sense because it's fighting but the artistic aspect of it is the performance like if you see a like anderson silver fight when he fought stephen bonner that was a beautiful artistic performance it was art because he's creating on the spot he's creating he's putting he's got this series of moves that his body knows how to do his techniques he knows how to utilize but it's all about putting them together against an unwilling opponent in the middle of a competition in the middle of a cage where you're on broadcasting in front of fucking millions of people worldwide and to pull it all off in this incredibly perfect way, it's a work of art. Like, it's beautiful.

[257] You go and watch it over and over again.

[258] You can see it on TV.

[259] You'll see the highlights.

[260] And it's just like watching a dance or not even a dance.

[261] I don't, dance is not that impressive.

[262] No, film, music, I mean, comedy.

[263] It is art because it's an expression of your soul.

[264] You know, it's usually, I do really stress the art part.

[265] I want my athletes to express who they are, you know.

[266] I mean, that's what they're doing.

[267] That's the canvas of the octagon or the ring is that their literal canvas, too.

[268] I mean, you get a chance to put to film in front of the world what you are, who you are.

[269] You know, because the way you fight represents your personality.

[270] Yeah, and if you see those moments where a guy's hitting someone and can't be hit back, like the famous video of Anderson fighting Forrest Griffin, where he's bobbing and weaving in front of him, forest is hit in air and then Anderson cracks them like like they're both fighting at two different speeds two different frequencies Anderson's just in this complete different level that's art it's beautiful to watch that's a reminiscent I watch a lot of old boxing I love Sugar Ray Robinson films and obviously reminiscent of the great Ali I mean he could do things that other people can do that's why that's what makes fighters special you know any fighter can sit there and get beat up, but I think that's why we talk about people like Silva, Ali, you know, and now, like I said, there's guys coming up in glory that are special.

[271] I mean, even, you know, my favorite fighter, some of you guys might not know, look up a guy named Samat Payakaroon.

[272] He's from Sit Yatam Kamp.

[273] He's one of my Muay Thai idols, but he's a WBC boxing champion.

[274] he dodged 13 punches and he knocked a guy out with one punch.

[275] It's S -A -M -A -R -T and look up 13 punches.

[276] I trained in Thailand.

[277] This is why Rob Common was friends with him, but if we bring this video up, it is badass boxing.

[278] It used to be a Muay champ.

[279] He's probably one of the best ever in Muay Thai.

[280] Why he didn't get hit?

[281] But again, that style, he was able to dodge, move, evade, hit people, not get hit, and that's what makes striking fun.

[282] Yeah, here he is right here.

[283] Yeah, watch this, gang.

[284] Look at this.

[285] This is my idol.

[286] If anyone wants to know who I love.

[287] Just duck and ducking.

[288] Yeah, I went to train in Thailand at his gym because of him.

[289] That's amazing.

[290] That is beautiful.

[291] Bang, and the fight's over.

[292] Yeah, that's style.

[293] That's incredible.

[294] That's actually one of Anthony's idols, too, and a couple of my guys really.

[295] I have a vault.

[296] I mean, back in the day, I didn't have TV.

[297] I didn't have an antenna So all I did was watch VHS tapes I lived at my gym So I watched Fight Thai fights Dutch fights Japanese Like you know how a good musician Or any other artist lives with their craft That's how I mastered my craft I watched fight after fight after fight after fight That fight is a perfect example That was art Yeah I mean I can find so many different fights like that That's why I do I send a lot of videos to all my guys I expose them to One of my favorite compliments is when Alan Belcher fought Patrick Cotei.

[298] Everyone goes, yeah, man, he looks like Yodes and Clyde Fairtex.

[299] As a matter of fact, he studied Yodes and Clyde to a T. I'll take a fighter and have my athlete study for that particular game plan.

[300] You know, I'll see you're going to do this, use this technique.

[301] You know, a technique that Anthony and Serge have been doing is the handstand kick, Sanchez, or King Star from Thailand.

[302] They're trying to land that.

[303] They're having a race.

[304] The handstand kick?

[305] Yeah, the cartwheel.

[306] The handstand.

[307] Yeah.

[308] It's a cool move from Moy -Baron, the old school.

[309] But San Chai, S -A -N -C -H -A -I.

[310] He's a badass.

[311] He's from the jockey gym.

[312] Hey, here's a good question.

[313] If you're doing a cartwheel kick, like say if you're standing, if you got one hand down and you're throwing a kick, are you downed?

[314] Is that a downed opponent?

[315] They let you get away with it.

[316] tie but I believe technically it is so you're not supposed to be able to kick a guy in the face when you're down no you're right ah here we go bop yeah look familiar guys yeah but what i'm saying is like say if he's throwing that kick the guy who he's kicking can't kick him in the face when his hand is touching the ground yeah right uh technically i believe so so like but that's what you would want to do you'd want to step in and kick him in the face yeah soccer kicking the ground and he but he's on one limb.

[317] I think there if you do that, I don't, I hate in MMA when guys play the game you know, touch, I'm down, I'm not down, I'm down.

[318] Well, let's explain that for folks who don't know.

[319] You're not allowed to knee a downed opponent.

[320] Like, what a downed opponent means is you can knee a guy in the face when he's standing up, but once a guy's on the ground, if he has a knee on the ground and one hand, as long as it's, as long as it's anything other than your feet on the ground, you can have one knee on the ground and you're okay.

[321] Okay, right?

[322] You can knee a guy in the face with one knee on the ground, but as soon as his hand touches, it's three points, right?

[323] Yes.

[324] So you'll see guys standing up, and they'll reach down and just touch the ground just to keep from getting need in the face.

[325] Yeah.

[326] Or can you knee a guy in the face when it, if he's got one knee and one leg?

[327] No. No, the knee has to be up.

[328] Yeah.

[329] The feet have to be up.

[330] You have to be on his feet only.

[331] Like if you get down to one knee, no hands, but one knee, you can't knee a guy in the face.

[332] Yeah, there's some weird rules, man. Well, the 12 to 6 elbow, like you said, it's just stupid.

[333] Because we could see some killer techniques.

[334] That's where we'd see even more Muay elbows.

[335] Yeah.

[336] Because then I would have my guys climb the old school moitai and drop the double elbows.

[337] Climb the cage?

[338] Oh, yeah.

[339] Oh, yeah, definitely, yeah, for sure.

[340] I mean, I'm all about it.

[341] I love those techniques.

[342] Well, that technique is really one of the most ridiculous rules ever.

[343] And the reason why it's in, for folks who don't know, the 12 to 6, meaning an elbow that comes from, like, the 12 o 'clock down to 6 o 'clock, the reason why it's outlawed is because when they tried to get mixed martial arts passed, they brought it to the athletic commissions, and they said, well, you can't have that one technique, because I saw it on ESPN.

[344] There was a guy breaking bricks with it.

[345] There's no way you can allow people to do that because they could kill somebody.

[346] And so they went, all right, as if this is anything more powerful than this, which is probably more powerful.

[347] Oh, no, I think when you're on the ground, the downward elbow is the most vicious strike.

[348] It's beautiful.

[349] I think that, like, that's why another thing, when Alan beat Paula Harris in the fight before that, he beat McDonald on the mat.

[350] We really been working on our ground and pound on our team, because it's another place to beat someone up, you know.

[351] It's also so ridiculous.

[352] You're not allowed to do, like, a 12 -6 elbow to the thigh.

[353] Yeah.

[354] That's so crazy.

[355] Like, if a guy's in your guard, you can't do a 12 -6 elbow to his thigh.

[356] thigh it's just it me i if for me i'd love to have soccer kicks well do you think that soccer kicks though they had them in pride and i liked it i liked it but what i don't think i think in pride you're in a ring and you could your head could slip under the ropes you can get away from stuff and in the ufc the cage would like you'd be mashed up if someone's soccer kicked your head you're right you're right yeah i forgot about that yeah you can't the problem is you can't move it was an Open space, like, say if you fought, like, say if every fight took place in, like, a basketball -sized arena, like a basketball court, where there's plenty of room to move around, but there's no cage.

[357] That would be really interesting, you know, it would be really interesting if people fought like that, because then takedowns would be completely different.

[358] Getting back up will be much harder because getting back up against the cage now has gotten to a real art form.

[359] For sure.

[360] press their back up against the cage and use it to stand back up and post up and once they get that underhook and they get one hand down they're popping up like crazy no it's crazy there guys are getting way better at wrestling way better at jiu jitsu faster again i think it's technology there's so much knowledge out there you know you there's so much i mean when i was trying to learn moitai besides going to thailand watching videos who's such a a little process.

[361] I remember my friends when they first, like it was a big deal to have a blue belt around in Jiu -Jitsu.

[362] And now, you know, there's black belts everywhere and the knowledge is everywhere.

[363] Guys, like Eddie Bravo, he has a site where he's sending out info and you can check out techniques and there's so much going on with that.

[364] And just YouTube and everything else, it's on TV too.

[365] You know, how do kids learn how to play basketball in America on the playground?

[366] How do they learn how to play on the playground?

[367] They watch TV.

[368] You know, people are doing this stuff.

[369] Whether they're in an organized school or just friends in their garage training, it's happening.

[370] Well, there's so much information now, whereas when I was a kid, you would buy a book on a martial art or, you know, you never, it was very rare that you would get a really good, like, VHS tape on martial arts back then because when I was a kid, I was training in the 80s, I don't think there were any instructional martial arts tapes that I was aware of.

[371] You had to go to a school.

[372] You had to go to a school and learn from somebody, and then occasionally you would get fight videos.

[373] And then you would watch, you know, try to emulate like Benny the Jet, you know, like try to be like Benny the Jet or Kitas or, you know, or one of those guys that was fighting back then that was like really, really good.

[374] My first instructional tapes I had, because I still watch everything.

[375] I'm a student in the game was a guy by the name of Pudped Noi.

[376] His name's the golden leg.

[377] Five -time Roderun champion who lived in France.

[378] That was my first Muay instructional.

[379] And I luckily got a chance to go train it.

[380] gym in uh paris and then uh the other one was i don't know if you remember the chakariki yeah yeah tom haric yeah and you know young peter arts is in there bronco sick a tick and gilbert valentini so those are like my first kind of core you know because i did 20 years ago this year i went to thailand you want to hear irony though uh a friend of mine his name is ramba he fights mima he's uh one of the top one 15ers in the world But he's Thai.

[381] Look up Rambah on R -A -M -B -A.

[382] Ramba Maitai, he's a crazy dancer.

[383] The first fight I ever went to, when I got the Thailand, I took my bags right to the hotel, and I walked into Lumpini.

[384] I walk in, and he's one of the main fights that night.

[385] Irony is he fights M -M -A now.

[386] It's just, I don't know, it's one of those weird destinies.

[387] The first fight card I see in Thailand is Rambah.

[388] And now he's fighting in M -M -A.

[389] Yeah, yeah.

[390] Yeah, and I mean...

[391] Where is he fighting out of...

[392] He lives in Japan.

[393] He, I think he fought Ulyas Gomez at Tachi fights, too.

[394] Yeah, yeah, he fought, sorry, I was going to call him his UG name.

[395] Oh, my, UG, useless, what's up, underground?

[396] I'm on there.

[397] I'm on there, too.

[398] I know, I know, I see you on there.

[399] Yeah, it's, man, I know.

[400] It's been a little shady on there lately.

[401] There's a lot of douchebags on that.

[402] Yeah, we guys, let's not turn into that other thing.

[403] Well, you know what it is, man?

[404] you can't, if it's on the internet and anybody can sign up, anybody can sign up.

[405] And if anybody can sign up, you're just going to get a lot of shitheads.

[406] If people are anonymous, it's almost impossible to keep any forum completely clear of shitheads unless you just start banning people.

[407] And then you worry about censorship and why are people banning people?

[408] Well, I'm lucky.

[409] Everyone's really nice to me. I'm, you know, it's cool.

[410] It's been a good time.

[411] We want to bring up that video?

[412] Which one exactly was it?

[413] There's a couple of them.

[414] Maybe a highlight of them.

[415] It's Ramba highlight, because Dudeie is, his own little crazy style he does the worm he does the running man after his fights he's really fun entertaining guy rambo his name literally means uh crazy dancer now what do you think about there's a there's a thing going on right now where uh people are talking about this is him yep what people are talking about this uh past ufc which i thought was great i love the mighty mouse fight i'd love watching that guy perform but that a lot of folks don't care to watch 125 -pound fighters, and they're saying, you know, there's a rumor on the underground, again, who knows if it's substantiated, but that the pay -per -view buys were some of the lowest ever for the UFC, that it was somewhere around 100 ,000 pay -per -view buys, which is really, really low for the UFC.

[416] Do you think that that's what it is, that Americans just do not want to see these little tiny guys?

[417] I just think the timing was bad this time around.

[418] It was a few weeks coming off another big you know, fight, I think they should just drop a couple of the pay -per -views per year.

[419] I mean, you know, I'm no expert, but I like it when there's kind of a build -up for the make the pay -per -view, the big bomber, and then we got all of our good free fights.

[420] You know, it's kind of like back in the day, remember Tuesday night fights on USA, you got some Friday night fights, you got some HBO, and now we're going to have a big pay -per -view fight, you know, build it up.

[421] Right.

[422] Just don't have pay -per -view fights, just have pay -per -view fights.

[423] Yeah, it definitely seems like there's a lot of fights going on.

[424] And, you know, on one hand, it's great.

[425] As a fight fan, like on the 28th, we were talking about this, there's two fight cards playing at the same time or the same day, one from New Zealand, and then hours later, one from Texas.

[426] Jeremy Stevens is going to fight Cubs Swanson.

[427] Great fucking fight.

[428] Oh, sick fight.

[429] Ooh, what a crazy fight that is.

[430] Cubs Stevens is so fucking creative.

[431] You don't talk about a creative guy in there.

[432] Oh, yeah.

[433] I'm a big fan of Cubs.

[434] I really like what he's doing with his striking.

[435] Not only is he doing base kickboxing.

[436] He's got some spins and he's honing his boxing as well.

[437] He's really, and I think that's like a big thing that a lot of people don't do.

[438] Because I think it's one of the hardest things to do.

[439] I was talking to Rico Verhoove in his fighting Saturday.

[440] He went and trained with this guy Tyson Fury, and he said the first couple times he went.

[441] I mean, he just got lit up like a Christmas tree because boxers, that's all they do that's like um if you go watch someone roll with marcello garcia and you're an mama fighter you're going to get crushed you know because that's all marcello does but i think it that's always a cool thing i love watching people humble themselves to get better and that's how you get better and cubs working with a world class champion level boxer and it's showing well that's a real problem with a lot of fighters that especially if they come from a kickboxing background they don't want to get tapped.

[442] Yeah.

[443] So they don't want to do jiu -jitsu and they never learned.

[444] There's certain guys that never got good on the ground.

[445] They've been doing MMA for 10, 15 years, and they're still a goddamn blue belt.

[446] I mean, they just never got good on the ground.

[447] They never became lethal on the ground.

[448] And conversely, there's certain guys who are grapplers that just suck at stand -up.

[449] They always suck at stand -up.

[450] Their whole game is predicated on get a whole you and turning into a grappling match.

[451] But if it's stuck standing up, they're helpless.

[452] Yeah, I've always looked at any fighting even if you're kickboxing you got to know how to do every skill i know some guys who don't want to train clinch at all well learn it so you don't get beat by it i know a lot of guys who you know knees are stupid i don't well you got to learn what are you going to do when someone who the hell says knees are stupid uh no comment anybody who sees knees are stupid needs to watch Travis brown versus alster over him yeah i know i know Travis brown survived that but jesus fucking christ did alster take it to him well knees to the body oh uh bogdan stoic if you want to watch some cool knees he's fighting saturday in the glory tournament he's got he did this knee where he flew out of the ring there's a highlight if you bring up bogdan b o g d a n stoic uh st o i c i c i believe um but he's he's sick dude he comes out with flying he flew out of the ring yeah he went over the corner post he missed the knee and he got back up and whooped the guy's ass wow yeah but he's going to be fun.

[453] He's fighting Wayne Baird, who kind of has a wild.

[454] Oh, Wayne Bair, it's wild.

[455] Yeah, I mean, I think the, yeah, here it is.

[456] Check this.

[457] Look at this.

[458] Look at this.

[459] He's fighting Saturday.

[460] You know, just look at this pow.

[461] That's the new age of what's going on with glory.

[462] You know, a little bit different.

[463] Here we go.

[464] That's so crazy.

[465] Yeah.

[466] The dude went completely over the top.

[467] That is madness.

[468] Oh, I know.

[469] I know.

[470] And he was laughing about it today when I was hanging out with him.

[471] He's okay.

[472] He could have broke a leg there.

[473] Well, there's a wild fight in Thailand we'll bring up in a second.

[474] There, he knocked them out.

[475] Look up D -E -N space M -U -A -N -M -U -A -N -G S -U -R -I -N -V -R -N -V -R -N -V -R -R -N -V -R -B -B.

[476] Boy, these Ties have some crazy -ass fucking names.

[477] Yeah, yeah.

[478] Yeah, in the golden era, Moitai, you still able to grab the leg and run them across the ring.

[479] You can't do it anymore because too many injuries happen.

[480] And I'll show you the fight why they can't.

[481] The cool thing in the cage, you can still do it.

[482] But if this clip comes up...

[483] Can you spell that one more time?

[484] Den, D -E -N -S -E -N, space, M -U -A -N -G -S -U -R -I -N -V -R -N -V -R -N -V -R -N -V -R -N -V -R -N -V -R -N -B -E -R -N -B.

[485] And you could run across the ring, it's called the plow.

[486] Now you can only take a step in a half.

[487] This fight, you'll see why the guy actually broke his back.

[488] Oh, no. Yeah, this is insane.

[489] Yeah, here you go.

[490] So, Den is in the blue.

[491] Rainbow Simpantala.

[492] Do you know Greg Nelson, who, from the Minnesota martial arts area?

[493] He actually used to train with Simpantelais' camp.

[494] So, yeah, Greg's an old friend of mine, really good martial artist.

[495] So, yeah, he trained with Simpantle.

[496] Den Monksorin actually scrapped with Danny Bill and Ramon Decker back in the day.

[497] So he's A -Class, too.

[498] So, wow, watching high -level ties.

[499] Yeah, this is A -class.

[500] that's Lumpinae.

[501] I missed the old stadium.

[502] I was there in the 90s, man. Some of many good fights I got to see.

[503] I'm blessed.

[504] But how long did you go to Thailand for?

[505] I've been there.

[506] I'd go three months at a time.

[507] The best thing I ever did, honestly, is I was able to bring some of the Thai guys to come live with me. I used to have four guys from Thailand living with me. And it was awesome because I was able to plug in and extract all that information.

[508] You know, it was fun.

[509] Might have to fast forward a little till you see the end.

[510] These guys are going off, though.

[511] This is beautiful to watch.

[512] Yeah, a really good technique.

[513] Actually, Den also did some boxing for the Thai amateur team, too.

[514] Yeah, you know, just actually the logo you see on the right is Song Chai.

[515] If you're on YouTube, go to Song Chai's channel.

[516] It's a killer.

[517] That was the biggest promoter in Thailand.

[518] He used to promote boxing, Muay Thai.

[519] He's the one who promoted Decker, our friend Robcom, just uh yeah here we go here watch this duck bow oh my god but check it out in thailand they bet so much den monks are in celebrating he won he won because he fell out of the ring see look at that they're jumping for joy they won the bet so that's when they switch the rules a little bit in thailand that guy got fucked up he broke his back yeah yeah yeah yeah check this out here see how he picks it up plow jump but he've got fucked up though yeah the guy who's doing the plow got fucked up, which is crazy that it became illegal because the guy who he plowed didn't even get hurt.

[520] There was a few other incidents where they hit the ropes and bolt would flip and, you know, that's the thing, Tomlin.

[521] You know, I missed those days, those rules.

[522] Because of actually, like, the fights from, they call the Golden Era before 99, 2000, there's a better style of fighting.

[523] Something happened.

[524] The betting changed too many stadiums.

[525] Everyone got into doing Premier League betting on that instead of going to the stadium.

[526] It's Premier League.

[527] Soccer.

[528] They like soccer more.

[529] It really hurt the economy of Muay Thai.

[530] Really?

[531] The economy went down and they couldn't pay the athletes as much as well.

[532] Well, now, when that guy fell out of the ring like that, what happened?

[533] He shattered his back when he came back to fighting, though.

[534] Really?

[535] Yeah, he healed up and he returned.

[536] Oh, so he just broke a bone?

[537] Yeah, broke a bone.

[538] Yeah, probably a rib -back bone.

[539] fuck yeah crazy right but it's crazy that that may is the one that made it illegal because the guy who's executing the technique is the one who got hurt yeah old school and uh but no nice thing in ufc we get to see that yeah well the cage is much better because it stops guys from going out that was an issue in pride as well yeah fall through the ropes guys would get caught up in the ropes and techniques they couldn't defend themselves you know actually are problematic no show i used to like there was a ring i think it was um storm samurai i think or Fury fighting from Brazil, the BTT, or BTT versus the shootbox guys.

[540] Is that when they had the net underneath the bottom rope to keep guys from going out?

[541] Yeah, those are insane.

[542] If you're just into, you want some bloodlust and the soccer kicks and stomps.

[543] Did you ever see Chuck Liddell versus Pele?

[544] Yeah.

[545] Yeah, that was back before Chuck fought in the UFC, he fought Pele in the real Vallitudo days where there was no rules, no gloves, no gloves.

[546] no rules no no nothing they're beating the fucking shit out of each other and palely was trapped in the net yeah like he was underneath the bottom rope like stuck in the net chuck's beating on him madness speaking of old school i was in Cincinnati at the ufc i made uh sean shelby and joe silver laugh waleed ishmael walked by and i seriously had to go you know what guys that guy scares me luckily i know him because uh our team's part of the carlson gracy team he's he's he's nice to me, but that's one of the most ferocious, like, dudes I've ever seen.

[547] Choked Hoy's Gracie unconscious on the beach in Rio.

[548] They were telling me a story, some of the Carlson Gracie guys, how down he is for Carlson Gracie, the team.

[549] He was at a tournament in Brazil.

[550] He won, he got his elbow popped, and some, uh, the Lutte Lever guys stormed the tournament.

[551] And, like, they're all challenge him.

[552] And while Lee jumped up, of course he's going to lead the charge while he goes I'll take on every one of you MFers but he couldn't straighten his arm so his fingers playing that way it's like arm is just dangling there and he's still ready to go what a tough SOB is you know yeah he was tough as shit remember those recordings of him when he was mad at Hyann he was telling the story about Hyen Gracie somebody had a great video that they had online it was on the underground of him explaining like the thing you know he had the thing he's cook he's scoured he's cheeking and he's doing it with his accent describing high end it's a character no no i mean uh luckily we both got to know carlson senior i was there at the end with step and you trained with him i mean it's that that branch of the gracy family man real deal i mean not that anyone else isn't i'm just saying what they did to m m m yeah incredible i mean Vitor Belfort, Mario Sperry, Marilla Bustamante, the Nogaris.

[553] Think about all the different people that came out of that Carlson.

[554] Andre Penedanaris.

[555] Stephen Bonner, Miguel.

[556] Yeah, Pedanaris, who went on to be Novo O 'Neo.

[557] And Novo O 'Niao is the biggest, for all the lightweight guys in Brazil, that's the biggest, toughest team.

[558] And as well, our friend Fabio Prado, who's with Alpha Male, and our coach, Daniel Vondriway, too, who lived with Carlson in Chicago.

[559] So, like, even, it's part of the Rufusport team.

[560] It's just cool.

[561] Actually, Carlson Jr .'s been coming up and helping out.

[562] It's fun to see him.

[563] He's a great guy, and he's cool, man. He's a real MMA pioneer, too.

[564] If you go back and watch his fights, extreme fighting.

[565] Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean.

[566] John Peretti organization.

[567] It's been fun to, again, I really like making all these new friends and everything I do, whether it's jihitsu, kickboxing.

[568] Now I've got a lot of fun wrestling friends, even.

[569] I mean, being exposed to the Ascran brothers.

[570] Even I have a friend Eric Juergens, who's a really good Iowa wrestler that I met through Pat Militich.

[571] And that's a neat thing about combative sports.

[572] The camaraderie, it's a special fraternity that I won't exchange for anything.

[573] Well, I think it's also these folks, first of all, they need each other.

[574] Like, you can't get good at MMA without people to teach you.

[575] And you need people to train with.

[576] and they appreciate that.

[577] And they also appreciate that there's very few people that understand them like other martial artists do or other fighters.

[578] You know, when they're training the lifestyle, the amount of effort that you have to put in, very few people understand or appreciate the dedication and commitment that's required to be a professional level MMA fighter.

[579] I mean, you can't have, you can't, there's no going out at night, there's no life.

[580] You don't have any life.

[581] You might have a girlfriend, what do you do?

[582] You might watch a movie, get a little sex, and then pass out before you training.

[583] That's it, man. You're not doing shit.

[584] You might get to go on a vacation after your fight, but guess what?

[585] Your amount of time you're actually relaxing is so small, because if you did well in that fight, they're already talking about your next opponent.

[586] So you start thinking about the next fight, and so you're on the beach somewhere, and all you're thinking about is fucking head kicks and tackles.

[587] To me, fighting reminds me apocalypse now.

[588] When you're in the bush, you think about being on R &R.

[589] But when you're on R &R, you just want to get back in the bush because you don't want to get soft because Charlie's going to come.

[590] come get you you know what i mean that's all i that's all i like fuck i'm having a great time fuck oh fuck just not now another dude that's how it was for anthony won the world title like it's like he was right back in the gym because he knows some dude wants that strap like he wants to take what's his and and yeah it's it's a really unique lifestyle you know very unique i mean it's not unlike any other movie musician comedian you're only as good as your last show honestly you're only as good as your last performance in the spotlights on you but you got to love that you know the special people like anthony ben askren you know Alan belcher they're the type of dude if it were the the final four the NCAA championship or give me the ball i want to shoot it take to be a great fighter you got to be that guy you're the the quarterback's like i'm gonna call the play coach i got it it takes that special person to be one of the best and i i love being around those people because it's empowering to watch them be that person.

[591] I love it was actually funny in Anthony's fight with Soroni.

[592] I want him to stay righty and he kind of stayed left.

[593] I was like the catcher and he was a pitch who waved me off like no. And I like that though.

[594] I want my guys to quarterback their own fights.

[595] I don't want, if they have to count on everything I say they're not ready to be champion.

[596] Does it this whole Ben Ascran thing is a very interesting subject because Ben Ascran was a he was a great wrestler like elite amateur wrestler got into MMA and shows dominance in the grappling that we have rarely ever seen before and for whatever reason he gets labeled as being boring because of that but you see what he's been able to do to guys like Lima like these killers you know he takes these guys that normally you know they're in the involved these crazy wild fights with people, and he manhandles him.

[597] He gets ahold of these motherfuckers, and he drags him to the ground, he beats the shit out of him.

[598] And for whatever reason, because he's not finishing guys or he's not finishing as many guys, and it's just a constant state of frustration for one guy to be on the bottom, and the other guy is just getting ragdolled by asking over and over again, people label him in a bad way.

[599] Bellator didn't even negotiate to reinstate his contract.

[600] He was their fucking champion.

[601] Now, I had a real hard time with that.

[602] I didn't understand the logic behind that even slightly.

[603] They let him go as their champion.

[604] I thought that was completely stupid and crazy, too.

[605] And then the UFC didn't even fucking pick him up because there was some weird shit there with them not wanting to pick up Bellator's guy.

[606] But we did it with Hector Lombard.

[607] It's frustrating.

[608] You know, it's really hard.

[609] I'm really good friends with Ben.

[610] He's doing great at 1FC.

[611] they're taking care of him.

[612] You know, it's just, I want Ben to have a chance to put his legacy out there.

[613] I want to see him fight the best guys.

[614] His fucking grappling is ridiculous.

[615] His moves are very unique.

[616] It is.

[617] I mean, I've seen him give high -level black belts.

[618] Fits.

[619] I mean, he's good, and he just, you know, submitted his last opponent.

[620] I mean, Ben is so good on the ground.

[621] He makes it look easy that people think he's not, you know, working hard but i think he has a new focus as he's finished his last three opponents and this he likes getting out of there early now he's like oh okay don't get paid for over time you know a lot of people don't realize he's third all -time in the nca at in pins wow and he's one of two two -time hodge trophy winners the heisman trophy of wrestling so i think him and it was uh kail sanderson i'm very very impressed with that guy's wrestling and i was very upset that it didn't down that he didn't fight in the UFC.

[622] I was, when they were saying they were releasing him from Bellator and he was talking to people in the UFC, I was very excited.

[623] And there's a lot of people like, oh, he's boring, he's boring.

[624] I think Dana said Ben Ascran is what Ambien takes when it wants to go to Silever.

[625] I don't find him boring.

[626] I don't.

[627] I mean, look, is it as exciting as watching Anderson Silva knockout Stefan Bonner with that knee to the body?

[628] No. No, it's not as exciting, but it's a huge element of MMA.

[629] It's one of the biggest elements of MMA is grappling.

[630] Was Damien Maya versus Anderson Silva exciting?

[631] No. No, exactly.

[632] Not at all.

[633] No what?

[634] I watch boxing matches where two guys are supposed to beat each other up and it's a defensive stalemate and that's just sports sometimes.

[635] You know, sometimes, oh man, this is going to be the greatest Super Bowl and it's boring.

[636] Well, look, the last Mayweather fight was one of the most exciting fights he's ever had versus Midana.

[637] It is because it became a brawl.

[638] That's not a Mayweather fight.

[639] Yeah.

[640] Maybe with their fights are fights where he boxed his guy's faces off.

[641] Moves away.

[642] Like the Canelo -Alvarez fight wasn't particularly exciting.

[643] No. I mean, you just sort of boxed him, out -boxed him, moved around him.

[644] Definitely.

[645] I mean, I hope Ben in the next year or so gets a chance to show.

[646] I mean, I think the welterweight division is kind of wild place.

[647] I mean, yeah, we got Johnny Hendricks as a champ, but, I mean, Robbie Lawler lost a close fight to him.

[648] it's scary how close it is right now and Robbie Lawyer just looked sensational knocking out Jake Ellenberger and he looked like a fucking murderer then Rory McDonald just looked outstanding and it's Tyrone Woodley you got Hector Lombard who's fucking ridiculous I mean who is faster or more athletic than Hector Lombard and he hits those fucking judo throws on high level guys to see Jake Shields go flying through the air on a hip toss like that it's like Jesus Christ I just know who I'm the happiest for Robbie I've known Robbie for a long time through Pat Militich and man that guy's worked so hard to evolve adapt change and grow I don't care what people say you can teach an old dog new tricks it all comes down to attitude I think one of my favorite quotes by Zig Zigler it's not your aptitude that determines your altitude it's your attitude and he has the right attitude he made the changes I mean, he got way better at grappling.

[649] He's, and he's so disciplined.

[650] I mean, what a comeback story.

[651] The other comeback story at 172.

[652] How about Matt Brown?

[653] Incredible.

[654] Yeah, I mean, when people say they can't get better, won't.

[655] Know what?

[656] Or sometimes when my guys get upset, if they lose a fight, you know, then Matt Brown yourself.

[657] You know, pull yourself out of the, be the phoenix that came out of the fire.

[658] Just work hard and have the right attitude.

[659] Matt Brown was submitted by Seth Pizzinsky just two years ago.

[660] Yep.

[661] You know, people don't forget, they forget about some of the fights that he's had where he lost.

[662] Look, if you can still move correctly, if you don't have a debilitating injury, if you don't have cognitive problems, you have been hitting the head too many times, you can still learn, you can still grow.

[663] But some guys, they do not do that because they're very stubborn in their ways or they're stuck on their, they're on a path, they're stuck on that path, and they never develop.

[664] And it's unfortunate.

[665] It really is unfortunate because the beautiful thing about MMA is the fact that there's so many options.

[666] And when you see a guy get to a high, like a Mighty Mouse, like a Demetrius Johnson who gets this incredibly high level of aptitude in all these different areas, it's a beautiful thing to watch, man. I love this fight, honestly.

[667] I thought he did a great job of using his Muay -style clinch to negate wrestling, used knees well.

[668] I mean, he reminded me of a mini Anderson Silva in that aspect using the clinch.

[669] I enjoy that type of fighting.

[670] I think Matt Hume is an incredible coach.

[671] One of the best.

[672] Yeah, I mean, a great guy, and I really enjoyed his performance.

[673] I mean, you know, sometimes people are just into the heavyweights.

[674] I mean, I like watching smaller fighters fight personally myself because there's much more going on.

[675] Not saying I don't like heavy weights, but, I mean, you know, just in general, you know, if it's small than not good.

[676] Well, then what are you guys going to think of 115 pound chicks fighting?

[677] And, you know, I mean, well, that's coming.

[678] We were just talking about that.

[679] Oh, yeah.

[680] division is going to be the next division in the UFC, excuse me, the straw weight division for women.

[681] Yeah.

[682] For 115.

[683] Yeah, it's exciting.

[684] I'm going to be assisting Anthony Pettis on the ultimate fighter.

[685] I'm only going 10 days and then I'm going back a little later.

[686] I want Anthony to shine as a coach.

[687] People don't realize he's a really good teacher coach and he's really competitive.

[688] He'd knock his baby daughter off the chair to win if they were musical chairs.

[689] I mean, he is the type of guy he He likes to, you know, a couple of, our last summer, we had a pickup basketball game.

[690] Oh, my God.

[691] It just turned into some little fun thing on, he looked like Jordan going for the third ring.

[692] It was just like every rebound, every, this kid wouldn't stop.

[693] We had so much fun, I mean, but, you know, when you do things like that casual games, you find out what certain guys are made of.

[694] Yeah, you find out how crazy they really are.

[695] Oh, yeah, there was two, there was ten alphas playing basketball.

[696] Not a smart move.

[697] That should probably be banned from the fight contracts, no basketball.

[698] Yeah, right.

[699] I mean, what is banned?

[700] Can they ride motorcycles?

[701] Are they allowed to ride motorcycles?

[702] Certain things in our band, right?

[703] I believe they can.

[704] I'm not sure.

[705] I don't handle the management side of our stuff.

[706] I know that Anthony is a proud owner of his Milwaukee, Harley Davidson, he won for his title.

[707] Does he ride it?

[708] A little bit, not too much, though.

[709] Yeah, I mean, that's why I don't drive sports.

[710] sports cars or motorcycles because I'm that idiot who wants to see how fast they can go.

[711] That's why I fight, you know, that's where I get my adrenaline out.

[712] I would worry more about the other drivers.

[713] Yeah.

[714] With a motorcycle.

[715] My dad's youngest brother, my uncle, actually got hit by a glass truck on motorcycle.

[716] And he fell and didn't have a helmet on because, and he's had many issues because of it.

[717] But, yeah, I mean, unfortunately, every year or two, I lose a friend in Wisconsin.

[718] It's just such a culture there.

[719] We live to ride, ride to live, you know, but we have such potholes.

[720] And the other thing I've never understood is jump on your bike and go to a bar and start drinking.

[721] Yeah, you know, that's, you know, people bar hop.

[722] Well, it's crazy that bars have parking lots.

[723] Yeah.

[724] You know what I mean?

[725] Yeah.

[726] Not a lot of drinking drive.

[727] There's a bunch of people drinking and there's a bunch of cars.

[728] Hey, wait, there's less people in the bar than there are.

[729] Where's the designated?

[730] Wait a minute.

[731] There's not enough.

[732] You need a driver, it's not possible.

[733] No, it's, you know, it's cool, though.

[734] I can't handle the motorcycle culture.

[735] I love it, but I'm the guy who will test my limits.

[736] Well, I started trying to get my motorcycle license.

[737] Me and a few friends that were working on Fear Factor, a lot of the guys in production, we all signed up for motorcycle safety classes.

[738] We started learning how to ride.

[739] We did all the thing.

[740] I got a helmet.

[741] And then during the time where I was learning, three different people I knew.

[742] Well, one person saw, she saw a guy get hit by a motorcycle, and two friends got fucked up.

[743] Frank Meir got his leg broken.

[744] He got T -bone by a car.

[745] A guy ran a red light, slammed into him, broke his legs, sent him flying like 60 feet through the air.

[746] And if it wasn't for the fact that he's just giant heavyweight, he probably would have been paralyzed for life.

[747] I mean, it amazing that he came back to fight and become good again.

[748] Yeah.

[749] Actually, improved yeah and then another friend of mine uh edson fell down and tore his shoulder apart he was going around a turn and the bike slipped out from under him and boom he hit his shoulder on the ground mangled his shoulder dude crazy fat my friend kongnipa who used to live with me um from thailand he's now here in the states really killer dude and he was four -time rogian i'm near stadium champ he went back home to royette in northeast island on his motorcycle he had all souped up he got in a motorcycle accident his ankle got bent back the other way in the accident that was after his first title he went on to win three more championships and go outside thailand and fight with that ankle he'd like randomly holding pads at the gym and it just fall down i'm like kong what's the problem oh jetmock my ankle like hurts bad i'm like we just give out on him yeah man like how that fought yeah that's incredible i know i mean it's uh you know motorcycles are you know if you've ever been to thailand you've probably seen a family of five on one it's crazy it's like they can fit a family of five on a little 125 well if everybody was riding motorcycles like in thailand back in less cars probably safer yeah yeah i mean the traffic so bad so they go in between right and uh you know thailand's crazy though it's a it's a fun place but a crazy place you know yeah how did thailand get so many lady boys what happened there i don't understand but it's the the the tide culture is so um accepting yeah like the buddhist religion that's um my pen lie which means don't worry it doesn't matter culture but yeah i don't it scares me because i used to train at uh see it you're talking i first went and you know i'd go to the beach on the weekend and you know all these chicks weird looking chicks hey sexy man i'm like to my friend man these chicks really dig us man Hey, you know, next week, this guy in a walker, hey, sexy man. I'm like, wait a minute.

[750] I think they're hookers, you know.

[751] But point being, man, you can spot them a mile away.

[752] You grabbed your Adams elbow when you said that.

[753] The big Adams apple.

[754] And you spite them in my...

[755] Some of them you can't spot a mile away.

[756] Some of them look very, very, very feminine.

[757] Yes and no. I mean, they don't look like the other Thai women.

[758] I mean...

[759] Oh, I see.

[760] You can tell a...

[761] At least then.

[762] Pure woman.

[763] Yeah, yeah.

[764] I mean.

[765] But it's fascinating that this one culture is just known for lady boys.

[766] Yeah.

[767] And that it's a normal part of, like I had a buddy who went over there and was drinking Brody Stevens.

[768] Brody Stevens told a great story about it.

[769] And we determined that he was 84 % gay.

[770] 86.

[771] We got it to 80 % gay.

[772] He started off that he was 10 % gay.

[773] And by the end of the conversation, we worked at that he was somewhere over 50.

[774] Definitely over 50 % gay.

[775] But he told the story about meeting lady boys there.

[776] And, you know, just having a good time and enjoying it.

[777] It didn't feel abnormal because he was there in a culture where it's normal and it's accepted.

[778] There's all these other people that, you know, even guys that were like, you know, straight guys were hanging out with these lady boys because it was just how they did it over there.

[779] Not me. You know, not me. I just did.

[780] You know what, I never really partied much in Thailand because I was always training.

[781] one trip I've had a little fun but I mean like it's just weird though one night my wife went to Thailand with me once we were on a took took late night in Bangkok cruising back to our hotel after some flights and we were right up to a dude and we totally see this guy mash and kissing with total just Adams apple with my wife and are like oh the crying game going on oh maybe that's what he liked yeah you know hey whatever floats your boat man whatever floats your boat Thailand's a wild place in all sorts of other ways too right I mean it's like prostitution is rampant there's mointai fights in bars it's just it's a wild wild place the wildest thing I saw in Thailand was going to the temple fights they're like church festivals on the weekend and they line up all the kids and they put them in a line and there's no scale they're just you two you two you too and then their families like all because some go camps and someone just trained with their families and then they all bet on their kids man oh yeah and you see like kids getting elbowed and little little and then you know the music speeds up and the little kid the shorts are way too big yanking them up you know it's just like i consider myself kind of a tough dude but i don't like watching little kids scrap down with elbows and like you know i have a daughter and everyone's like is she going to fight and i'm like maybe i don't know i mean like fighting isn't for everybody you know i mean no one time at one of the other camps i was at this kid had just come from way northeast thailand and um he just wasn't sleeping well at night he was used to eating different and one of the trainer you know sometimes the trainers drink a lot because they get the shit kicked them out of on pads they're all former fighters you know they live at the gym with you and so they're just they're a little warmer well being beat up But they crack their shit out of the kid to shut up.

[782] You know, like, they just, you know, there's basically a little toughen up session at midnight, you know.

[783] It's just little things you see, you know, like I love Thailand, but I don't think it's healthy to send a kid away at nine years old to become a boxer.

[784] No. You know what I mean?

[785] Like some of the guys I brought over from Thailand, I had to teach them things about life that they didn't learn when they lived at the Muay Thai camp.

[786] You know, it's not normal to go live in a, basically, whatever.

[787] The moitai camp is a modern -day luteus.

[788] It's a gladiator school.

[789] You know what I mean?

[790] I love moitzae and a lot of it.

[791] And please don't make it seem like I'm trying to put it down.

[792] It's just you have to understand what it is.

[793] It's a third world country.

[794] It's not martial arts.

[795] It's a boxing gym.

[796] It's professional horse racing.

[797] They're there to make money for the camp.

[798] 50 % of their earnings go to the camp.

[799] And then the rest of their money, they try and send back home to their family.

[800] That's something that folks don't.

[801] Realize, too, when you hear, like, Bukkau, poor Promet.

[802] Yeah.

[803] That's, his name is one thing.

[804] The gym name is the name that he takes on.

[805] Yeah.

[806] So, like, all he's not even his real name at all.

[807] He has a boxing name.

[808] Boakau.

[809] Boakau means cows white, and Boa is lotus, so it's the white lotus.

[810] And then poor Pramuk is, he's a student or of Promok.

[811] Promok is the boss of the camp.

[812] So he has a real name, and then that's a, essentially his nickname.

[813] Yeah, Sombot.

[814] I forgot his last name, starts with the B, but his real name is Sombat.

[815] That's his passport name.

[816] Yeah, all the boxers get a different name.

[817] You know, they have your boxing name.

[818] Yeah.

[819] So it's the White Lotus?

[820] Yeah, that's what his name means.

[821] That's cool.

[822] His nickname actually is Dom, which means black because he's so dark.

[823] Oh.

[824] No, it's messed up in Thailand, dude.

[825] Like, I think they got good skin tone.

[826] We're trying to get tan going running with them.

[827] Right.

[828] You can tell all the boxers running.

[829] they got hats on they got long sleeve t -shirts and long shorts on because they don't want to get tan because it's frowned upon to be dark -skinned in thailand really yeah yeah it's like if you're dark skin you're you're from the country you work in the fields you know that's what's going on with the philippines yeah that sucks man they're they're using glutathione and glutathione somehow or another uh it's an antioxidant but somehow another i think they injected or something i don't know color and it's become a very common treatment and here you and i want to be tan i like being i want my vitamin d i want you know it's messed up man well it's not only that steve maxwell who uh has been on the podcast several times told me that vitamin d levels actually when you have vitamin d from sun that it actually has an anabolic effect on the body it helps your body recover it helps develop and build muscle like there's a lot of positive aspects to having vitamin d i've i mean the hardest thing about where I live is the tough winters you know from being from the Boston area and the last couple weeks I've had some pep in my step man I you know the sun's out I'm feeling better I'm working out better you know it's I believe you I mean a trick that I do because I struggle a little bit with seasonal depression our whole gym you've been there is painted super yellow it's in a basement I do it to trick myself psychologically and my students so you can't tell how dreary it is outside right and then another trick they say to do in the winter is don't wear your sunglasses out the best vitamin D comes to your pupil so right away while you're outside in the winter and it's sunny out let that vitamin D come through your pupil it's this that's only way because it's not strong enough to touch your skin in the winter when you live in winter areas but yeah I'm a firm believer in vitamin D sun I'm really into the elements of life water is so important sun the wind you know in the stars so like it's very revitalizing all those things staring at the stars like a good starry night dude gives you like a feeling like your body like that's why i love my wife's from central wisconsin and i love going out into the woods and and just chilling and you know go out and there's lakes it's just so beautiful that's you know looking up the stars fresh air i mean it's uh it's so important to connect with nature actually like in vegas everyone's like oh you're gonna party go crazy i'm like no man we're gonna go hiking My wife and I are going to go hiking every morning at 6 a .m. We're going to stand Milwaukee time.

[830] You know, I like going out into the mountains, Red Rock, go up to Charleston.

[831] You know, do that.

[832] I mean, you know how it is.

[833] The older you get, been there, done that, bought the T -shirt, you know.

[834] It's pretty old.

[835] Well, a lot of fighters have a real problem with that, and they live in Vegas, too.

[836] And the ones who tend to do best are the ones who avoid the strip and do things like go to Lake Me, maybe do a little jet skiing, maybe go hiking, maybe go fishing, do something.

[837] thing where you're getting out of the Vegas, Vegas, and getting into the Nevada.

[838] Yeah, for sure.

[839] I've been going to Vegas since I was 18 for fights.

[840] Wow.

[841] The first fight I went to was at the Sands.

[842] That's how old I am.

[843] And I just, I'm very, and even, it's weird.

[844] I, when I train in Vegas, I used to train that Master Totties and he had all these really killer trainers from Thailand.

[845] and they would all laugh at me. They're like, Duke, you're not, like, I'd be home on the weekend.

[846] They're like, you're not going out.

[847] Like, no, I want to win.

[848] I'd go run on Sunday.

[849] They're like, you're not going out?

[850] Like, I don't know.

[851] Has everyone else who's come here before or done that?

[852] They're like, yeah.

[853] So that's why they gave me so much attention.

[854] I was so disciplined that, like for me, I know I'm not the most gifted and talented guy.

[855] So I'm the person.

[856] Now I'm having the time of my life.

[857] I have a ball.

[858] You know, that's why I try and tell all my fighters, all you fighters, man. Dude, like Joe and I, we're in our 40s and we're having the time of our life.

[859] It don't, like, a number doesn't change how you live, you know?

[860] It's also there's life after competition.

[861] Yeah, I mean, I have more fun now doing everything than I did when I was a fighter.

[862] I was pretty boring when I was a fighter.

[863] You know, like I said, I'd just hang out.

[864] I became a movie buff, comedy buff, because I watched that.

[865] That was my hobby, you know, but.

[866] Dude, you can't, you can always party, you can always chase girls, you can always eat bad food, you can always do drugs.

[867] Whatever you want to do after fighting, you can do that, but you only have so many years, you know what I mean?

[868] You have a, you have a lifespan to be great, and that's what I preach to my guys, cement your legacy and then have some fun.

[869] And it's also important to take it into perspective.

[870] Like there's guys that are super talented, they're super naturally talented and it doesn't take much.

[871] and they can you know there's guys who are champions who are notorious for not working out very hard but you know what comes along like say like guys who don't train in between fights yeah they just sort of hang out somewhere you know what comes along somebody who's exactly like you but disciplined yeah exactly and those guys are out those perfect storm athletes are out there that are really physically talented really mentally talented very strong very creative and super disciplined and hungrier man that the you know that's That's, to me, the person who wants it is who wins the fight.

[872] The person who wants it, it just doesn't start on fight night.

[873] It starts all year round.

[874] The guy who trains all year round wants it more than the guy who doesn't.

[875] Yeah.

[876] You know, and there's so many examples now that you could look to as far as...

[877] One of the most important things about martial artists is learning from past martial artists, learning from their techniques, emulating techniques, as you were talking about before with Belcher and a lot of different fighters.

[878] And this is like the greatest time ever to have that opportunity.

[879] Like, do you know what Sugar Ray Robinson would have given to have been able to see a Sugar Ray Robinson on video before him to be able to study films?

[880] There's no. What did you see?

[881] You saw some grainy Jack Johnson footage and some, you know?

[882] That's kind of like, I would say that's the, you know, like in basketball, you know, people who change the game, I would say it was first, there's Bob Coozy, then Pistol Pete, Dr. J. Jordan.

[883] and then maybe LeBron now, but like those game -changing athletes and boxing, who did it have to be?

[884] Jack Johnson, first athletic moving guy, Sugar Ray Robinson, who I still watch and study.

[885] That is the blueprint of the greatest of all time.

[886] Muhammad Ali, of course.

[887] Duran.

[888] Oh, man, Duran's like one of my favorites.

[889] You too.

[890] You too?

[891] Because like my family, I remember we used to have pay -per -view fights.

[892] My dad has five brothers.

[893] I got five brothers.

[894] He'll be crazy.

[895] like everyone would be on one side of, you know, Duran over here, Leonard, you know, I got to meet Ray Leonard to my brother and know him.

[896] He's a great guy, but I didn't like Leonard.

[897] I was a blue collar type guy.

[898] I was a haggler and Duran guy because I was a hard worker.

[899] So I related to, you know, Duran and Hey.

[900] It's not like Leonard wasn't a hard worker, but everybody had this opinion of him as if he was glamorous, pretty boy, you know, showing up with, you know, like a beautiful girl, a mink code.

[901] Yeah.

[902] That's the idea that you thought of when you thought of, Leonard, the golden boy from the Olympics.

[903] Meanwhile, pretty fucking hard work.

[904] Oh, no. Ray, man, I got to hang out with Ray a couple times, and he's cool, really cool.

[905] And he loves martial arts.

[906] You know, he, you know who his idol is?

[907] Who?

[908] Bruce Lee.

[909] He came out when I think it was either when he fought Donnie La Land or when he fought Hearns the second time.

[910] It was cold fighting Cesar's.

[911] he came out in a kung fu suit not the yellow and black but the traditional black you know style did he really oh yeah dude he used to train a little with junry too really yeah interesting yeah i mean uh no is speaking of um you got bruce man you know it's people just don't realize how awesome he was bruce lee yeah just like remember was the first arm bar in a movie it was enter the dragon right yeah and then that diny have um Um, uh, Kareem Abdul -Jabbar in the head arm triangle and game of death, too.

[912] I think he did.

[913] Yeah.

[914] Yeah.

[915] I mean, just, you know, it's just crazy.

[916] Just, I'm a huge, like, kind of, I love the guys who kind of shake it up.

[917] Because actually, even one of my mentors in Thailand and Kruea Tong, he had a different style of Muay Thai that wasn't necessarily the same.

[918] Or the other gym, I like a lot, Jockey Gym.

[919] they're not the norm and I like finding the innovators you know what I mean yeah and it's fun because that that's the you know it's like what would we do without Steve Jobs right you know I mean what he I want my goal like with what I'm trying to do I want to be an Apple type product that changes people's lives with martial arts you know I want to I just every day I try and think of like we were training a round kick today and I probably show you something a little different every time yeah i'm trying to like innovate even the simplest move yeah you know i mean that because that's time is what makes techniques happen the faster you you you can splice the time that that that technique locks on or lands is how you win a fight well also the the various aspects of the technique that allow you to avoid counters as opposed to doing it one way you don't avoid the counter you know those all those little subtle aspects of striking that are lost on some folks.

[920] Yeah.

[921] I think that's why it's good to watch, say, like, um, those, uh, the UFC shows on Fox where they break down the fights after the fight.

[922] Dominic Cruz is really good at that.

[923] Really good at breaking down where fighters made mistakes.

[924] Like a good example is the Cunley Rich Franklin fight.

[925] When Cunley knocked Franklin out with a, with a punch, we caught Franklin straight up, coming straight at him, not moving the head off the center line.

[926] How many fighters do you see that are really talented, great fighters, but they don't get with a good, camp they don't leave their their comfort zone their surroundings they might start out with some gym that has limited trainers but they're talented themselves they get to a certain level but then they can sort of stagnate and they fucking they get fucked because of it really yeah i mean it's like any other sport you know you got to go to the right college and basketball baseball to get selected to go to the NBA NFL major leagues you know that it's unfortunate i know everyone has their Cinderella story I mean that one of my students is fighting Saturday he's from Marshalltown, Iowa.

[927] He moved to Milwaukee, and his career's blossomed because he's fighting for the World Series of Fighting Title.

[928] The Featherweight, Rick, the Gladiator, Glenn, great kid, been on an incredible winning streak, and his game has gone up exponentially.

[929] There's a nice fight of his on an MMA junkie today.

[930] He knocked a guy out in the world.

[931] Great kid, and it's hard.

[932] You've got to leave home sometimes.

[933] Is that going to be on TV?

[934] Yes, I believe NBC.

[935] And who is you fighting?

[936] Um, Alexi, the, who's the good Russian kid.

[937] I forgot how to say his last name.

[938] There's a lot of goddamn good Russians.

[939] Yeah, man, them Ruski's, they know how to fight, man. They are not regular white people.

[940] No, no, no. Like Bagel Tinoff?

[941] How many knees did he take from Mighty Mouse?

[942] Oh, like a hundred?

[943] Yeah.

[944] A hundred knees in the face?

[945] It's crazy.

[946] That guy just ate him.

[947] He ate all those knees.

[948] Speaking of Russians, I like, we were talking about him earlier.

[949] I'm so stoked about this tournament.

[950] Artem 11.

[951] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[952] He's got a cool style of fighting.

[953] I'm not picking his style over anyone.

[954] What I like about him, he's a Muay stylist, but he's also good at boxing.

[955] But no, it's funny.

[956] You're going to love it because you're a social media guru.

[957] Is during his fights, he's tweeting.

[958] During the fight he tweets?

[959] He's got someone rocking his Twitter feed.

[960] It's awesome.

[961] Yeah, but there's, he's awesome, though.

[962] He's cool.

[963] He's going up against at Pereira from Bruce.

[964] Brazil, who, like, this guy, he trains in the mountains.

[965] I think there's a cool video on YouTube, maybe.

[966] Alex Pereira, he's a native Indian from Brazil, and he channels all the...

[967] How do you spell Pereira for Jamie?

[968] P -E -R -R -A, I believe.

[969] Maybe add glory into that, too, but there's a cool video of him training up in the mountains.

[970] But he's a former boxer, and he did Ta -Wondo, so he's got a sweet turning sidekick.

[971] yeah he he was not the fan favorite or the favorite fighter to win the middleweight tournament but this dude's tough he beat a lot of good dudes but uh i i like 11 a lot yeah here check it out this is him he's getting ready for the eight -man tournament this weekend look at this he's really into who did he fight who has he fought so far in glory uh he fight tyrant spawn no he's a weight class lighter but uh he beat a really good guy from mike's gym in the final uh oh i know who he fought he fought uh sciac no in his last fight he knocked somebody out with a left hook oh um jacobi yes yeah dustin jacobo yeah he he brings it man that was a nasty left hook too and jacobby's tough as shit man yeah no and how about melvin manhoff is gonna be in this tournament yeah yeah dude that's another guy that scares me i'm like hey uh mike passner can you put his collar on please he was a dog collar under the ring excuse me mike Can you take him back to the gym?

[972] You know, he's walking around.

[973] I'm like, I think I'm going to go over here.

[974] That is one of the wildest guys that has ever fought in anything.

[975] Melvin Manhoeff is a wild motherfucker.

[976] Oh, yeah.

[977] There's just, I've trained in Amsterdam, and there's just a unique, look at that.

[978] Yeah, there's just a unique craziness.

[979] Look at his build.

[980] You've got to get his walkout, though.

[981] His walkout where Mike is this firing him up.

[982] I don't know what Mike says.

[983] to those guys.

[984] God damn for him it works.

[985] Oh yeah, him and Baderari.

[986] Yeah, two animals and they got sake too.

[987] Yeah, go gone to yeah, I mean it's crazy.

[988] I'm having a lot of fun with the glory gig.

[989] I'm real thankful to have the opportunity to kind of expose people to just stand up.

[990] It's fun.

[991] I mean you know, crow cops fighting this weekend.

[992] Yeah, he's on the he's on the, he's on the, I didn't even know that.

[993] Yeah, he's on the prelims.

[994] We also got a really good kid from Thailand.

[995] He's only 19 years old with 106 fights.

[996] What?

[997] Yeah.

[998] 19 with 106 fights.

[999] That's insane.

[1000] I was hanging out.

[1001] It's just gentle as a lamb, nice little kid.

[1002] He's just a little baby face killer.

[1003] Jesus Christ.

[1004] And when you say Crow Cops and the prelims, is the aired prelims?

[1005] Yeah, yeah.

[1006] It's on Spike TV free.

[1007] Oh.

[1008] So, yeah, it's our warm up to the pay -per -view.

[1009] Now, hey, I got to tell you, normally these guys are kind of reserved, but Rico Verhoeven and Daniel with Geet or going at each other on Twitter.

[1010] I think Geet has been calling Rico, they call him the prince of kickbox and he's the princess, he's going to steal his tiara and then, you know, Verhoeven's been going off about, he says he's the number one of, you know, in the rankings, he's like, well, you know, you're the number one shit talker and, I mean, both of them today, I've never seen European guys this animated, I mean, they're...

[1011] Well, they fought.

[1012] Yes.

[1013] And there's a very controversial fight, right?

[1014] The first one, Rico won the tournament.

[1015] There was that kind of controversial knockdown with Saki, which he pushed the ref. He didn't get cut from glory for that.

[1016] Yeah, Saki pushed the ref. Yeah.

[1017] We'll talk about that subject later.

[1018] But now that, then he beat Gita in a close decision.

[1019] Gita thinks he won.

[1020] Gita's come back and knocked out two big wins off.

[1021] He looked really good.

[1022] And now, you know, Verhoeven beat arts.

[1023] He just had his first pro boxing fight, though, Verhoeven.

[1024] He's been tracing with Tyson Fury and really working on it.

[1025] So he fought boxing really recently, right?

[1026] Yeah, seven weeks ago.

[1027] A lot of guys in glory are moonlighting.

[1028] Nikki Holtskin, he's been pro boxing, Mark DeBont, who's fighting Bazooka Joe Veltalini.

[1029] Veltalini's fun to watch.

[1030] Very fun to watch.

[1031] His fight with Raymond Daniels was an awesome.

[1032] Awesome fight.

[1033] I'm a big fan of Raymond.

[1034] But he did exactly what you're supposed to do to, can we get that fight up there?

[1035] Raymond Daniels and Bazooka Joe.

[1036] And DeBong, is that for the title?

[1037] Yeah, it's for the title.

[1038] Wow.

[1039] Yeah, DeBon just beat Carpet, Carpetian in Denver.

[1040] Great fight.

[1041] Yeah, very technical.

[1042] I mean, Carpet's a really super smart fighter, both technical.

[1043] And Carpette was really coming on those last rounds, too, which is interesting.

[1044] No, what I like about DeBon, he throws some jump kicks.

[1045] He does the jump -sizzer kick.

[1046] You know, a lot of cool moves, jump -flying knee.

[1047] But, you know, Bazooka Joe, he reminded, if I did describe who Bazooka Joe is, he's the Arturo Gotti of kickboxing.

[1048] Canadian, Italian, scrapper, but here he, you can see he stayed on the legs nicely, dissected, went after the high kick.

[1049] That's all she wrote, Mama Mia.

[1050] That was beautiful.

[1051] Yeah.

[1052] That was beautiful.

[1053] He's only got 11 pro fights, and he went toe to toe with Nikki Holtskin.

[1054] Yeah, and was hanging in there until the end, got caoed in the final round, but that was also a fight where you fought that fight before that.

[1055] Yeah, exactly.

[1056] I mean, I think Bazooka Joe is going to be tough to beat in a single fight format.

[1057] Yeah, I don't, I've got to tell you, I don't particularly like the tournament format because I think it's unfair.

[1058] If a guy has one fight early and he knocks the guy out in the first round whereas his opponent might have to go a fourth round because the three rounds have gone to a draw, I think that's crazy to have those two guys fight afterwards.

[1059] I know it's kind of exciting, but I don't think it's fair to the athletes.

[1060] I've loved that glory has done our five -round title fights.

[1061] It's just been magnificent because we see the art of fighting.

[1062] We really do.

[1063] The tournaments are, they're a cool spectacle for the fans who want to see the blood and glory.

[1064] But the technique and the art of strategy, I think we see that in a title fight.

[1065] Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

[1066] There's been some great, great fights too.

[1067] in the last, the lighterweight division fight, that last fight with the Kyokishin.

[1068] Oh, yeah, Davat, Kiria.

[1069] Man, because Ristie was coming off those two big wins over Georgio Petrosian.

[1070] Which is a huge upset.

[1071] Oh, yeah.

[1072] Knocking out Petrosian, who's like one of the greatest ever.

[1073] Yeah, definitely.

[1074] He was up to that point considered the Mayweather of our sport.

[1075] And, you know, the glory, that's a crazy thing, the parody.

[1076] That's what I love about the kids.

[1077] kickboxing, the fights are so evenly matched.

[1078] And this is Ristie's first fight back.

[1079] This glory card this weekend.

[1080] He's fighting in the tournament, right?

[1081] Yeah, he's actually fighting Kai Hollenbeck on the Spike TV broadcast, too.

[1082] So that's another tasty fight for fans.

[1083] So it's not a tournament fight?

[1084] No. It's just a fight on...

[1085] On Spike TV, there's going to be a four -man featherweight tournament, and that's going to be really good.

[1086] You got Yud Konpun Sitman Chai from Thailand, the 19 -year -old with 106 fights.

[1087] uh gabriel varga who's a really lifelong martial artist i like this kid style a lot he's good at kickboxing incorporate spin kicks he can punch he has a fun style he's a lot of fun to watch uh and you got marcus vizius excuse me from brazil as well so it's uh going to be a tasty tournament so that's the tournament and then ristie is fighting hollumback in a single fight and then crow cop is fighting this guy garell miller he actually has a win win over Pat Berry in the World Combat League, and he fought Crocop, I believe, in the K -1 last year, the whatever's left the K -1, but everyone thought Jarrell won.

[1088] So I didn't, I watched the fight, I could have saw it that way, too.

[1089] It was in Croatia, so.

[1090] Amazing that Krokoff is making this resurgence as a kickboxer.

[1091] Yeah, it was a pretty cool atmosphere in Zagreb when he fought.

[1092] I mean, I thought he beat Remy.

[1093] I did too.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] Remy Bonjoski was another great fighter who's been around the block a long time.

[1096] He's been...

[1097] Actually, no, it's really cool.

[1098] Remy's on the broadcast.

[1099] Is he?

[1100] Yeah, they're bringing in Stephen Quattros, Michael Scovallo, and Remy.

[1101] We're going to have some extra...

[1102] Kind of like you're talking about the UFC's doing the extra analyst and breaking things down.

[1103] So we're going to have a fun, and it will be Ron Kroc and I in the booth, Luke Thomas.

[1104] We're going to have a lot of fun with this broadcast.

[1105] I'm having a ball doing this because what I like doing, like, would you...

[1106] do at the UFC is let people behind the curtain, you know, it's different.

[1107] People kind of understand punching boxing.

[1108] That's a jab across the hook.

[1109] It's martial arts.

[1110] There's a little bit more detail to it, not taking away from boxing.

[1111] We need to have that time and room to explain everything because there's a little bit more going on with the kicks, the knees, and some of the sweeps, trips, and obviously in jiu -jitsu and wrestling, a lot of minute details that make a big difference.

[1112] Yeah, and it's also, people can relate to what it feels like to get punched.

[1113] And I don't, there's, like we're saying about leg kicks, people don't understand.

[1114] They just don't, they, people who judge fights, unfortunately, don't understand.

[1115] We have a real problem with that.

[1116] Remember the first, I was at that fight, UFC 104, Shogun versus Machita.

[1117] Leota Machina, yeah.

[1118] And he kicked the shit out of his legs, and he didn't win the fight.

[1119] And someone, one of the judges actually said, leg kicks don't finish fights.

[1120] It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[1121] Are you just ignorant to history?

[1122] I broke in two guys' legs with leg kicks and fights.

[1123] Thighs?

[1124] The thigh bone, the femur?

[1125] I fought Mitch O 'Halla in 1996 in Australia.

[1126] He was kicking hard.

[1127] He broke his tibia.

[1128] He stopped on the stool because it was blocked wrong.

[1129] So I broke that.

[1130] And then Pat Smith, I kicked him on the back leg.

[1131] And I cracked the bone right by the knee joint there.

[1132] so yeah it's uh i i like the leg kick a little bit yeah leg kicks are awesome i'm sorry i mean it's a great feeling to know that you can do that to someone there's something i don't know i i've always told my guys uh this isn't to sound mad but me as i've gotten older i've probably changed my opinion i used to have a quote uh knocking someone out with a head kick is better than sex you know that's i love there's nothing better it's my favorite thing to do that's my favorite coup de grot to finish a fight and striking the head yeah the head kick that's why i really push it with all my guys it's weird too when you connect to someone's head a lot of times you don't even feel it yeah goes right through them yeah especially the neck kick yeah i mean i that to me is my my favorite technique air coke's gotten a bonus with it and wc anthony's got a bonus wc knockout and ufc allen got it against uh hori santiago um you know it's it's it's it's you're you know it's it's You see little Sergio's hunting for it constantly.

[1133] We like to kick that.

[1134] It's just cool, man. It's yielding a special power that most people don't have.

[1135] Dude, like, whoa, he's trying to knock me out with a kick.

[1136] I love it.

[1137] You know, it's an intimidation factor.

[1138] That's like Peter Arts.

[1139] He's same age as me. That's one bad motor scooter.

[1140] And he's still winging head kicks in his fights, man. Yeah, he's still at it, man. 100%.

[1141] Yeah, Peter is something else to me. Did he retire in his last fight?

[1142] No. He said he was retiring.

[1143] Yeah, he just fought in Dubai.

[1144] So he said he was retiring and he just fought again anyway.

[1145] Man, he's just never going to retire.

[1146] He's a madman.

[1147] I love Peter.

[1148] He's a man. Funny dude, man. Yeah, he just exemplifies what's special about our sport.

[1149] I mean, a guy like Rico Verhoeven grew up and wanted to be him, and now here he is.

[1150] I mean, Peter's just, he's funny, joking, laughing.

[1151] And has he been stopped something like 14 or 15 times?

[1152] Yeah, I think so.

[1153] I mean, he's...

[1154] How is that possible?

[1155] But he's got over a hundred -some fights.

[1156] How is it possible that you can get ca -oed 14 times, and you're still all right?

[1157] You're still out there?

[1158] I hope he is.

[1159] I don't know if he is.

[1160] Do you talk to him?

[1161] Yeah, a little bit.

[1162] What's it like?

[1163] Well, he's got a thick Dutch accent these days.

[1164] So it's hard to tell if he's slurring his words?

[1165] That's a weird moment, isn't it, when you're talking to a fighter and you know for sure something's going on that didn't used to be going on?

[1166] Yeah, yeah.

[1167] You know, I've met a few kicks.

[1168] boxers that are a little punch drunk and I know boxers from back home.

[1169] I mean, one of my training partners years ago, Gerald McClellan almost died in a boxing match.

[1170] Oh, yeah.

[1171] That was one of your training partners?

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] He's a Milwaukee.

[1174] The Nigel Ben fight.

[1175] Yeah.

[1176] Yeah.

[1177] That was scary, man. That's scary.

[1178] That scared a lot of people, including Roy Jones.

[1179] Sometimes boxing commentators and you guys, I feel we're empathetic.

[1180] You're empathetic to people's problems.

[1181] I remember, like, Dr. Verdi Pachack was calling the fight.

[1182] Like, I can't believe this guy's quitting.

[1183] You could see like he was blinking and there's something seriously wrong.

[1184] I'd never call a fight again if I'd call the guy quitter and he slumped over in the corner and just.

[1185] Frady Pacheco's, yeah, he was old school.

[1186] You know, a lot of those old school guys, they had that sort of an attitude about fighters.

[1187] Okay, yeah, go get punched yourself.

[1188] Yeah.

[1189] You know what I mean?

[1190] Yeah, I agree.

[1191] You've gone and they're getting punched.

[1192] You've gotten submitted, wrestled.

[1193] You know what it feels like, you know, me too.

[1194] And now there's nothing worse than the guy who's never done it who's judging the guy who does it.

[1195] I mean...

[1196] It is horrible.

[1197] And it's very unfortunate.

[1198] It's unfortunate that a lot of those guys get into that position, whether they're reporters or what have you.

[1199] And they start talking shit about fighters after their performance, questioning their heart and courage and, like, look, you can say that a guy didn't have a good performance.

[1200] You can give an assessment of their performance.

[1201] When you start making character assessments and character judgments, That's, uh, you're stepping way out alive.

[1202] Hey, do you ever have bad days at work?

[1203] Jamie?

[1204] No, no, no. Sometimes you have a bad day you're off.

[1205] Well, guess what?

[1206] Fighters fight two, three times of the year.

[1207] Unfortunately, their chance of having bad days are higher than a guy who works, you know, many days a week, you know what I mean?

[1208] It sucks.

[1209] I mean, you just, I'm not making excuses, but the Anthony Pettus that fought Gwita was like the worst Anthony Pettus ever.

[1210] He was flat in the locker.

[1211] He just wasn't feeling good.

[1212] And know what?

[1213] It was the best thing for him.

[1214] Losing is the best medicine if you use it as a medicine to make you better.

[1215] But people have bad days, man. It's just, it's life.

[1216] I mean, it sucks when you have a big moment in your life and you just can't show up.

[1217] But it was so, what, Anthony is a piece of crap, a pussy, you know, look, you know, I mean.

[1218] It's overrated.

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] Told you was overrated.

[1221] You know that Duran, he's a wimp, no moss, you know.

[1222] That fucked him up for a long time, though.

[1223] that fucked up public perception of him that fucked him up personally for a long time well why is it it's okay in our sport we can tap which is humane it's smart in mama but if you know you're hurt like mcclellan but not into roberto durand that was pretty shameful yeah but the no moss fight me he's like that's it i'm done i'm done he was fine and he wasn't even trying to fight yeah he just i mean he knew it was getting smashed though but he wasn't getting smashed he was just getting out box my friend nathan corbett Love that guy.

[1224] Great, dude.

[1225] He's here in L .A. training at Black House.

[1226] Oh, is he really?

[1227] Yeah, he's here visiting, man. Is he going to fight M .MA?

[1228] I think he's going to start helping teach striking here in L .A., dude.

[1229] So if you're in the L .A. area, look up my man, Nathan Corbett.

[1230] Great, great, Muay, fighter.

[1231] But did you see him when he got smashed?

[1232] He knew his ear was done.

[1233] I mean, he didn't want to, you know, he's a smart hook by Tyrant Spong.

[1234] And Spong hit him with this left hook and, or Gokon Sok.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] Hit him with this left hook and blood started pouring out of it.

[1237] And he was just, like, touching his ears.

[1238] This is over.

[1239] I mean, that's the thing.

[1240] Do you want guys to go out on their shield or they want to be intelligent?

[1241] I mean, um...

[1242] That was intelligent.

[1243] It's also a guy in Nathan Corbett who's fought so many fucking times.

[1244] And you saw the replay.

[1245] When Gokon hit him, it was just a perfect left hook.

[1246] His ear was fucked up, rattled, blood starts pouring out of it.

[1247] When your ear drums popped, the fight is basically, there's not much you could do.

[1248] You know, all these guys, I respect win, win, lose, or draw.

[1249] I mean, that's the hardest thing.

[1250] about going to the UFC glory I have personal relationships a lot of guys there's not a lot of people I mean in professional martial arts that are bad guys there's not a guy like a high you lost no I just don't you meet every guy and you see you know like that ABC wild world of sports the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat it's just so you see that and it just it's so hard to see the nicest guys get there that's the weak side of what I do you see you know because that's what this is.

[1251] You're fighting me to crush my dream to build yours.

[1252] It's so like, it's old school Coliseum, you know, I mean, you know, it's crazy.

[1253] Yeah, it is.

[1254] It's so hard for guys to transition out of that to go to the next phase of their life.

[1255] Man, I get fight offers all the time.

[1256] I miss it.

[1257] Oh, yeah.

[1258] I love I mean...

[1259] What was the last time you fight?

[1260] What year was it?

[1261] Uh, 2007, I think, 2008.

[1262] It's just...

[1263] Where did you fight in 2008?

[1264] Uh, Canada.

[1265] Yeah, I love it, but, you know, you got to, you got to do the math as the fighting part of my past or my future.

[1266] So, you know what I do?

[1267] I go a couple weeks ago when Anthony was boxing in the gym.

[1268] I saw him and Saturday, I'm like, oh, screw it.

[1269] I'll just spar three rounds with him.

[1270] So that's my thrill now.

[1271] I go on spar.

[1272] We had a pretty good heated session, you know.

[1273] It was fun.

[1274] Not like we go hard because I'm way bigger than him, but we work.

[1275] We have a good time.

[1276] He had fun.

[1277] I had fun.

[1278] But, you know, it's a quick reminder.

[1279] Like, man, that's one little bad motherfucker.

[1280] I don't think I want to fight ever again.

[1281] Yeah, that was fun, but that was practice.

[1282] Now, I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing.

[1283] Actually, I do some jihitsu tournaments when I can.

[1284] You know, I've won the Arnold's and I won the Grappwer's Quest.

[1285] That was when I was a white belt.

[1286] I got my blue belt now.

[1287] I'm just looking for a pocket of time.

[1288] I can get serious because, you know, our jihitsu team's grown tremendously under my friend and brother, Daniel Vonderly.

[1289] Like, we had two weeks ago, we had 14 fights at Rufusport.

[1290] in MMA, 13 -1, nine of them were on the mat.

[1291] Like, that's not a Rufus sports stat, right?

[1292] Right.

[1293] I've been really pushing all my guys to be dangerous everywhere.

[1294] A lot of my guys are going to IBJGF tournaments, you know, big Naga's, Grappers Quest, winning.

[1295] Like, I'm really, if you choose to be an MMA fighter, then really be an MMA fighter.

[1296] Let me ask you this.

[1297] So if you're training in Anthony Pettis, world champion, say if you're training him for his title defense against Gilbert Melendez, which is going to be a great fight.

[1298] I can't wait for that fight two amazing fighters when you would train him would you schedule his entire training routine do you do you do set a schedule like in the morning you're going to do this in the afternoon you're going to do that i want you to do five rounds on tuesday and then another three rounds on wednesday's pat i'll give you his schedule um we have a really good strength and conditioning team the guy who who trains j j watt from the can we bring that up j j wott uh do uh do uh box jump.

[1299] There's either box jump.

[1300] He's one of the best athletes in NFL, and he's from the Milwaukee here.

[1301] It's not by chance, though.

[1302] He's been at our Strength and Conditioning Center, NX level.

[1303] Brad Arnett, who used to be the head Strength and Conditioning Coach at Arizona and Minnesota.

[1304] Incredible.

[1305] A lot of NFL or NBA guys.

[1306] Watch this.

[1307] This is a dude, 290 pounds.

[1308] 59 .5 inches.

[1309] Yep.

[1310] That is insane.

[1311] That's who trains our boys at that facility.

[1312] That guy does?

[1313] Not him.

[1314] He's in the NFL.

[1315] That is an insane vertical jump.

[1316] Yep.

[1317] And he's a big fan of the guys.

[1318] He's out there all the time.

[1319] He plays for who is it, the Texas Titans.

[1320] But needless to say...

[1321] What is the Texas Titans?

[1322] The Texans.

[1323] What is that?

[1324] NFL.

[1325] It's an NFL team?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] I'm so out of the loop.

[1328] Yeah, I'm not a big team sport guy, so please excuse me. Yeah.

[1329] I mean either.

[1330] Isn't that funny?

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] So many guys in MMA are the same way.

[1333] Once you get used to fighting, everything else is like, yeah, I mean, all right.

[1334] It's not even that.

[1335] I don't have the time.

[1336] I'm so busy watching my craft.

[1337] And then, like, you know, like, I don't know about you on Sunday.

[1338] I don't want to watch a bunch of sweaty dudes who don't care about me. I'd rather hang out with a hot chick, you know, which before we were married to is my wife.

[1339] You know, I'd just, I'd rather get a little R &R, if you know what I'm saying.

[1340] Now, but get back to this Anthony Pedson.

[1341] So the schedule, the strength and conditioning is the big ruler of what we do.

[1342] It's the recovery, the active warm -up, active recovery.

[1343] But every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, he goes there.

[1344] On Mondays at 1 .30, we have practice every day at 1 .30.

[1345] He works a striking -based MMA practice, and then we have MMA sparring.

[1346] Our hardest sparring is on a Monday.

[1347] I believe we do that because it's their freshest, so the injuries aren't going to happen.

[1348] I don't like to do sparring at the end of the week.

[1349] They're mentally, emotionally, physically drained.

[1350] That's when injuries are going to happen.

[1351] But does he do the sparring before or after the strength and conditioning program?

[1352] After the strength and conditioning.

[1353] Wouldn't you think that that would be counterintuitive?

[1354] The strength and conditioning you'd probably be better off doing it after?

[1355] It's just the guys like doing it first thing in the morning.

[1356] They get it out of the way.

[1357] And the other thing I'll say about our sparring, we've really backed off on the intensity.

[1358] We have a lot of good technical guys.

[1359] We're, I mean, right now we're doing about three rounds a little bit harder.

[1360] a week that's it i'm really in everyone's wearing helmet everyone's wearing high end gear so no one's getting hurt because it's those wild scrambles in mMA where you're getting weird positions the wrestling and awkward positions where you're getting hurt or collision so and then after that practice he'll rest up and he'll come back and do uh one -on -one pad sessions with me uh working drilling and, you know, fight -specific game plan.

[1361] So he'll do on Monday three times.

[1362] Tuesday will rest.

[1363] He has the Tuesday he rolls real hard on those days.

[1364] It's jiu -jitsu practice.

[1365] And then again, at night, he'll come back, pad work, drilling.

[1366] Wednesday is wrestling day with Max or Ben Ascran with the team and strength and conditioning in the morning.

[1367] At night, again, pads, technique.

[1368] So do you set the schedule for him?

[1369] Um, somewhat with the whole team of everyone, you know, uh, our, our primary is in the evenings.

[1370] We do our, our light work technique and a lot of a drilling.

[1371] And so when he does his strength and conditioning program, is it based on five round fights?

[1372] Is it based on like, like, and the timing of the training.

[1373] We all meet as coaches and we put together what, the intensity each week up, down, if we're backing off, tapering, or if it's an intense part of the camp.

[1374] Oh, fascinating.

[1375] Yeah, we really work together.

[1376] Like, Anthony's taking all the coaches that he works with from our team.

[1377] So it's going to be great synergy for the girls who are on his team.

[1378] And that's the part where it's really touchy to try to figure out how to peek an athlete correctly.

[1379] I mean, for folks who are not familiar with that kind of training, you really can't keep it up for very long.

[1380] No. You do what you're doing during a six -week camp, you could never do all year -round.

[1381] Yeah, we've really cut back.

[1382] see my guys train all year around so they don't need to do 10 12 week camps 10 12 week camps are for slackers because they're trying to get in shape and camp anthony took the henderson fight on a month's notice he was at a going away party for danny boy downs in my backyard he had a negro medello in one hand and a plate full of uh steak or cheta in another hand and i said hey um dana wants you to fight here in milwaukee versus henderson might want to put the beer down he did he went he ran into his father's grave he went for a crazy run and boom started running and you know the my point being that they're human beings but if you're training all the time it's a lot easier to take fights on short notice yes like a guy like donald saroni all the respect in the world he likes his budwiser want but he's training constantly you know what i mean he's in he's ready to fight he just mentioned he wants to fight at 170 if if no one wants to fight him at 55 i love i love his attitude.

[1383] I didn't like him when he fight Anthony, but no one, I I like Donald that, you know, you know, it's, you're my enemy when you're fighting us, but I, I like Donald.

[1384] I love what he is, what he represents.

[1385] He's a wild man. I love him.

[1386] I mean, he's a savage.

[1387] When you say fighter, it's surrounding.

[1388] You know what I love about him too?

[1389] When he's in his off time, he does crazy shit, like he's fucking jumping with jet skis through the air and done snowmobile jumps.

[1390] Do you see that snowmobile shit that he was doing when he's training for his last fight?

[1391] Like, what are you doing, man?

[1392] This is on your Sunday.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] You have fight training in the morning and you've taken snowmobiles over the top of this hill.

[1395] Yeah.

[1396] No, I mean, I think, you know, some of the best, what makes these fighters special is they're great risk takers.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] You know, you've got to be, there's got to be something special in you that doesn't tick like other people that makes you want to get into a ring and fight for amusement.

[1399] for people i mean and for a bunch of people that are going to go online and call you a loser yeah yeah i mean uh you know people what i miss the most about fights it's not the paparazzi i love that moment especially if you're the main event you go back to the locker room there's no one freaking there like people thought like when all the people back home milwaukee they're so supportive and we have this big circle of people to help out so like so how was it when anthony won well Well, we had a press conference.

[1400] Everyone's long gone after the press conference.

[1401] So did the ring girls hang out with you?

[1402] No. Was there champagne in the locker room?

[1403] No. It was me, Anthony, and I forgot who else walked out of there with our crap.

[1404] And the arena was close enough.

[1405] We could walk to the hotel.

[1406] It was pretty lonely, but not lonely in a bad way.

[1407] You know, it's our own little La Costa Nostra, this thing of ours.

[1408] I like it being in a small circle and what we should.

[1409] share the people will know what i'm talking about it's like that's what i miss that moment yourself when you've accomplished it not the after fight party not everyone that's cool i appreciate that support but i like the quiet moment after like all that work hard work dedication the blood sweat and tears and you soak it in um that's what i miss more than anything i and No, what I miss, I miss the most is I love it, that feeling when you get hands taped.

[1410] It's like in Gladiator, when he grabs the sand, dude, you're getting a handstap.

[1411] There's no turning back.

[1412] You're, you're fighting.

[1413] You know, it's like, it's the best feeling in the world, man. I'm a gold fight.

[1414] When you're saying this, though, it seems to me like you want to fight again.

[1415] Always, man. You're saying this, like, you're like ready to.

[1416] It's a drug, man. How old are you now?

[1417] I'm 44.

[1418] Do you stop and think?

[1419] like look if I really want to fight again yeah I can to do it now I could but you see a guy like bernard Hopkins give you a little hope always 49 years old all all the light heavyweight title I mean to me it's like it's all comes down to time and schedule but that being said I love my students so much my fighters know what happened I'd start training and I'd stop because I don't want to jeopardize their success you know you know I miss it you know but But, you know, it's like, you know, cocaine addict, man, I miss it.

[1420] I miss it.

[1421] I miss that shit, you know.

[1422] You miss it, but you're still getting a big amount of satisfaction from training.

[1423] Oh, you know, there's nothing better than helping other people fulfill their goals.

[1424] I'm not even just talking the fights, but I come to the gym.

[1425] I spar with all my students.

[1426] We have a ball.

[1427] I mean, I'm seeing people change your lives through martial arts.

[1428] So that's what I got to do to keep my drug.

[1429] in check i got to spar a lot train a lot just to have fun when i get hurt and can train that's when i like or i just or it gets to i'm too busy and i can't be on the mad actually doing it that's when i get crazy thoughts like who i might need something to motivate myself like a fight you know i try and justify these stupid stories in my brain why i should do it do you ever justify like maybe I should fight MMA, it'll help my MMA coaching.

[1430] I was supposed to fight in 2007 for the CFFC it was me, I was going to fight this dude, Derek Pan's a kickboxer and then Kimbo Slice was fighting tank and then the winner of our two fights were going to fight each other.

[1431] Wow.

[1432] So yeah, I was training.

[1433] I mean I was into it and yeah I was digging it and the thing fell apart like 10 days before You know, Kimbo Slices is apparently going to fight for Bellator?

[1434] Yeah, I heard.

[1435] Yeah.

[1436] Yeah, leg kick him.

[1437] No, he's cool, dude.

[1438] I met him when he fought.

[1439] Very nice guy.

[1440] Yeah, Mitchione.

[1441] When I trained Matt Mitrione for the fight, yeah, he's good.

[1442] I mean, but know what?

[1443] There are guys like him who can come into our industry.

[1444] They fight and they have fans.

[1445] I mean, look what Brock Lesnar did for our industry.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] But, well, Mityrione, man, that was a great performance by him.

[1448] That was like one of his best performances.

[1449] Yeah, I mean, I just.

[1450] think stylistically.

[1451] I mean, Matt told me this thing.

[1452] He played in the NFL.

[1453] He goes, I just wasn't athletic enough to make in the NFL.

[1454] I'm like, Jesus, H. Christ, then what are those guys?

[1455] Because this dude is a freak, man. He's strong, fast, tenacious.

[1456] I mean, all the attributes that you want in a heavyweight, he's a big, strong dude.

[1457] Yeah, what do you think is going on with him in MMA?

[1458] Like, what do you think about his his MMA future?

[1459] I mean, he's training down at Blacksillians.

[1460] I think it's a good fit for him.

[1461] Doesn't he have a fight coming up?

[1462] I forgot, it's just so hard to keep up with everyone.

[1463] But he is, I think that's a good camp.

[1464] They got the right -sized guys because, I mean, I can't help Matt.

[1465] I don't have any big guys.

[1466] I like Matt.

[1467] He's cool.

[1468] And some people, they saw the show.

[1469] They don't understand.

[1470] That guy's awesome at head games.

[1471] Incredible.

[1472] He knows how to get in people.

[1473] How to fuck with people?

[1474] Yeah, I mean, I think that that verbal jujitsu judo and Jedi mind tricks it's so important yeah it is right that that is an extra added element to psychological warfare and fuck with a guy and get inside his head before a fight right well i'm i'm the youngest of my for the longest time i was the youngest brother and my family before i had my younger brothers my dad has five brothers his two youngest brothers are almost the same age as my two older brothers so basically i got tormented growing up so the only way i could mess with people for a while was verbally and I had to learn how to mess with them, ball break, you know, just you know, just you know, and then I started, I didn't do it at first in fighting, that's how I got a little older.

[1475] Then I, you know, started using little Jedi mind tricks.

[1476] It's amazing how many good fighters come from a background when their brothers beat them up.

[1477] Yeah, it makes you tough.

[1478] Look at John Jones.

[1479] Two big giant super athlete brothers.

[1480] Here's a coincidence.

[1481] Here's their cool story.

[1482] My really good friend from the Greek community in Milwaukee, he played for the Eagles for many years.

[1483] He opened up the strength and conditioning place.

[1484] My boys trained at.

[1485] He's the agent for John Jones Brothers in the NFL.

[1486] Huge MMA fan, too.

[1487] He played for the Eagles for many years in Rose Bowl Cap in Wisconsin.

[1488] Yeah, those guys are huge.

[1489] They make John look like he's just a little wimp.

[1490] John is a freak.

[1491] Oh, no. He really is a freak.

[1492] The nicest compliment I've gotten from someone at UFC 100, John said he learned out a strike from my DVD.

[1493] from the old school.

[1494] I like Johnny.

[1495] You know, we have a great relationship.

[1496] He's a cool dude.

[1497] He really is a freak, man. I mean, you want to talk about a guy that's learned quickly and has his own way of doing things and the best at utilizing reach.

[1498] There's not a single guy I've ever seen fight that knows how to keep a guy in his range better than John.

[1499] I like D .C. a lot.

[1500] I think D .C. could give him some troubles, but the thing is, John still is so good at what he does and that Reach plays such a, factor.

[1501] Huge factor.

[1502] Yeah, I mean.

[1503] John's going to get better, too.

[1504] Yeah.

[1505] That's the thing.

[1506] He's going to, if you fight him six months from now, he's going to be a better fighter.

[1507] You fight him a year from now, he's going to be even better.

[1508] And D .C .'s going to go to surgery in July.

[1509] He's getting his knee redone.

[1510] His ACL is fucked, and apparently he's got some other damage going on in there.

[1511] So he's going to get his...

[1512] It's crazy.

[1513] These wrestlers, how they can continue to train with their knee.

[1514] Like, knock on wood, I've never had any knee injuries.

[1515] I don't know what it's all about.

[1516] Well, Chris Wydenn before he got his knees fixed.

[1517] He got meniscus scoped on both of his knees.

[1518] He had terrible knees.

[1519] that he couldn't even get his heel to touch his ass.

[1520] Which is crazy.

[1521] He's fighting for the world title, and, you know, he doesn't have full use of his legs.

[1522] Yeah.

[1523] But he still, he has enough that he can force himself into positions where it doesn't matter.

[1524] It's just incredible.

[1525] All right, let's talk striking.

[1526] Who, let's, I want to pick your brain.

[1527] Okay.

[1528] Who's the greatest kickboxer of all time, in your opinion?

[1529] Ramone Decker.

[1530] Ramon Decker.

[1531] Ramon Decker or Rob Kamen.

[1532] Those are the two guys that I look up to other than the ties.

[1533] there's some great ties yeah i mean there's so many great tie fighters for me i love decker style but for me rob i mean rob i i i rabe is a big influence in everything i did i went the reason why i went to my first gym in thailand sit you talking because rob went there like i saw rob there's a great fight he beats ernesto hoosed oh yeah with low kicks and a hook keo but i mean ernesto's super athletic but rob systematically broke him down and i and i really enjoy fighters who know how to systematically break someone down.

[1534] Greatest boxer of all time.

[1535] I would say, you know, classically, people say Sugar A. Robinson, and I think Sugar A. Robinson is probably one of the, I look at it as terms of errors.

[1536] Okay.

[1537] Because I don't think anybody ever, if you look at their entire career, yeah, you know, you could say, well, this guy was better, that guy.

[1538] But at his best, Julio Cesar Chavez was one of the most impressive of all time.

[1539] He had this, unrelenting marauding style where he never threw everything in every punch like mike tyson style but he just wore you away he would just come at you and he was in a strong era of fighters yeah very strong and like look at his fight against meldrich taylor yeah systematically broke his body down broke and changed melchick melchick was never the same after that no no that fight broke him have you seen the legendary nights about that on hbio yeah it's scary yeah i think roy Jones Jr. in his prime was one of the greatest of all time.

[1540] There was a window where Roy Jones Jr. was untouchable.

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] The only fighter ever to have gone a single round without a single punch scored on him, the Vinnie Pass the end of fight.

[1543] He's the only fighting copy box history.

[1544] They go one guy landed, you know, X amount of punches and the other guy landed zero.

[1545] That's madness in a professional boxing match.

[1546] Roy Jones, when he was at his best, was a fucking freak.

[1547] It wasn't technically sound, you know, relied on his reflexes, but knew his body and knew his skills.

[1548] You could say he wasn't technically sound, but no one he was hitting him.

[1549] Until Tarver knocked him out, no one was hitting him.

[1550] He was fun to watch, you know, the rooster punch he threw.

[1551] You know where I think he fucked up?

[1552] Where I think he fucked up is I think when he went up to heavyweight.

[1553] Yep.

[1554] He went all the way up to heavyweight.

[1555] He got real big.

[1556] And then he went back down to light heavy weight.

[1557] And messed his body up.

[1558] He fucked his body up.

[1559] He looked like shit when his body physically looked like shit.

[1560] And I think also hormonally he looked like.

[1561] shit because let's be honest about how he got up to heavyway yeah he didn't get up to heavyway taking fucking friendstone's chewables right he had some help yeah and when you're in your 30s especially you know your body doesn't bounce back very quick from steroids when you see someone put on over 20 pounds of muscle quickly yeah it's just it can't be done unfortunately yeah pull up um roy jones jr versus john ruiz you can see how good he was that he was a fucking former middleweight in the Olympics, fought, won the super middleweight championship, won the light heavyweight championship, went up to fucking heavyweight and outboxed that shit out of John Ruiz, who was a former heavyweight champion, you know?

[1562] From your area, right?

[1563] Is he...

[1564] Quiet man from Boston.

[1565] Who's he?

[1566] Is he with Petronelli's?

[1567] I don't think he was.

[1568] John Ruiz was with somebody else, right?

[1569] But look at this.

[1570] This is Roy.

[1571] I mean, he was thick as shit.

[1572] That was way thicker than you ever saw him out of light heavyweight.

[1573] But he was only about 200 pounds.

[1574] You know, even then, like, even as a heavyweight, it was all about speed and movement.

[1575] But he was so good and so hard to hit.

[1576] Roy Jones, Jr. when he was at his prime, man. You know, it was a big overachiever, and I use his style to teach people well as Oscar Delahoea.

[1577] Before he switched with Floyd, Sr., his 90s fights, he was an incredible overachiever.

[1578] A big fucking Roy Jones is in this fight.

[1579] He's never been that muscular before.

[1580] And then he went from that to the Tarver fight And he just looked terrible And Tarver knocked him out And then after that Glenn Johnson knocked him out And that was even scarier Because he went out from a punch It didn't even look like that big of a punch But it was out completely out cold Like next diff I got to hang out with Roy last year At Ben Askren's last Bellator fight He was there in Albuquerque Cool dude man Great guy Great guy I got a chance to meet him in Vegas recently Take a picture with him.

[1581] I was so excited.

[1582] I was with Evander Holyfield and there's Croatia at East School.

[1583] I mean, my brother used to box at Kronk and I got to meet Tommy Hurons, nice guy.

[1584] Oh, wow.

[1585] Yeah, I, you know, I've met a lot of cool old school boxing guys.

[1586] That's, I mean, there's just something we grew up on that sport.

[1587] You can't, you know, discard it.

[1588] You know, the thing about Roy Jones, man, is that he never had his Joe Frazier.

[1589] He never had his Tom.

[1590] Hearns he never had like Tommy Hurons had Leonard Leonard you know they had each other they had that rivalry Roy Jones was just so above everybody he had nothing until tarver knocked him out there was really no rivalry yeah yeah you're right about that hey here's a you just made me think of something you know Tommy Hurons versus Leonard the first fight if that's in the modern era oh yeah Hurons won because it was a 15 rounder that's right if it would have been a 12 rounder he would have won that fight that's right you know the 15 rounder stopped after boom boom mancini knocked out Duku Kim, right?

[1591] Is that when they stopped?

[1592] I think they'll, yeah.

[1593] And Dukuk Kim died?

[1594] 15 rounds.

[1595] That's insane.

[1596] Long fucking time.

[1597] 12 rounds.

[1598] We used to do kickboxing rules 12 times two.

[1599] Stupidest thing ever.

[1600] Getting off the stool 11 times.

[1601] No, let's do one round.

[1602] I don't want to sit down.

[1603] No, with modern kickboxing, the championship fights are only three rounds.

[1604] Yeah, five rounds.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] I'd like to see boxing shrink it down.

[1607] Would you really?

[1608] Yeah, and force the action.

[1609] I think that's why MMA and kickboxing are growing.

[1610] What would you think boxing should be?

[1611] Eight?

[1612] Eight rounds.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] Yeah.

[1615] I mean, think about our culture.

[1616] You want to know what Joe Rogan's doing.

[1617] You can click on Twitter, Facebook, everything.

[1618] You want to order some cool stuff from Joe Rogan's shopping cart.

[1619] You can click now.

[1620] You want to go on the Duke Group of Striking University.

[1621] You can click now, get whatever you want.

[1622] But that's our culture.

[1623] We're fast food.

[1624] You know, sometimes a boxing fight, It's like jazz.

[1625] You've got to wait for the jam to pick up.

[1626] We're so fast food, everything.

[1627] That's why I love MMA and kickboxing.

[1628] The action's like now and then, oh, that fights over and knockout.

[1629] Cool.

[1630] Let's bring another fight in.

[1631] But don't you like a fight like the Midana -Mayweather fight where Middana that comes on strong in the beginning, but Floyd levels them out and starts to pick up the pace in the fifth and six rounds and starts to dominate the fight down the stretch?

[1632] For the guys who are making a lot of money, the 12 -rounders are great.

[1633] The guys who fight on ESPN Friday night fight, for 10 and 12s, they're making 10 grand.

[1634] Right.

[1635] And then they're so busted up.

[1636] They can't fight as much as kickboxers and MMA fighters.

[1637] How do they make a living?

[1638] How do they survive?

[1639] I mean, that's the tough thing about boxing those long.

[1640] I'd like to see, you know, and I've never understood why they go even rounds because you've got a better chance for a draw.

[1641] That is true, right?

[1642] Yeah.

[1643] You should go nine rounds.

[1644] Yeah.

[1645] You'd have a better chance for a victory.

[1646] Yeah, I mean.

[1647] Or 11 rounds.

[1648] Yeah, something.

[1649] I mean, you know, it's just one of those things.

[1650] I mean, I do like the title fights, but I just think for the guy's brains, everything, like...

[1651] How about two 10 -minute rounds?

[1652] Oh, wow.

[1653] That would be interesting.

[1654] Could you do that with boxing?

[1655] I would think that with boxing it would actually be easier to fight a 10 -minute round than it would be to MMA.

[1656] Like, those pride guys that fought those 10 -minute rounds, I had Ensign Inouye here last week.

[1657] Oh, yeah.

[1658] Fucking awesome.

[1659] So cool talking to him, but, you know, that 10 -round...

[1660] Mr. Yamamoto da Mashi.

[1661] Yeah.

[1662] That first 10 -minute round, man, was brutal.

[1663] Yeah.

[1664] I'd get into a crazy exchange, gassed out, you look up at the clock, eight minutes to go.

[1665] What?

[1666] Eight minutes to go?

[1667] Yeah, I mean, and they were real.

[1668] They didn't do stand -ups, too.

[1669] They're just really...

[1670] Well, they had yellow card, you right?

[1671] Yeah, if you were passive.

[1672] But, yeah, I fell in love with MMA first with Pride, so I love Pride.

[1673] So I love Pride.

[1674] You know, I was the one guy, oh, the Pride fighters are going to come over.

[1675] And...

[1676] Be the UFC fighters.

[1677] Wah, wah, wah.

[1678] I didn't think they were.

[1679] Pride was fun to watch, but from a technical standpoint, I would watch the way they would fight.

[1680] I would say, well, some guys are going to give people some problems, like Ninja and Shogun and all these guys were going to give people some problems, but I would look at the elite of the elite guys and say, hmm, like George St. Pierre or someone like that.

[1681] You know, someone in the higherweight divisions.

[1682] Well, I mean, we saw it.

[1683] Forrest Griffin whipped, you know, Shogun.

[1684] Well, Shogun, you know, that was Shogun had some serious knee injuries, man. Shogun for a while had some serious knee problems.

[1685] couldn't train hard, and that's been the knock on Shogun, that he doesn't really enjoy, like, completely dedicating himself to training and being, you know, an animal in the gym constantly.

[1686] And if you're not that guy, you're never going to be able to compete with those world -class fighters.

[1687] You're not going to beat a John Jones if you don't like training.

[1688] You know, it's crazy.

[1689] Nikki Holtz can take this fight, but if you follow his Twitter feed and everything, like this dude is, he got in a car accident.

[1690] When?

[1691] Right before the last Denver.

[1692] That's why he didn't fight for the title.

[1693] they brought in carpetching but like but he's been training but he still didn't think he was ready for this fight like he's a the kid trains all year round i mean and that's the different like mayweather the reason why mayweather who is who he is i mean he likes to train you know and and guys if you don't like your craft then don't do it yeah there's a lot of people that you do not like it anymore i mean you know i talked to mike dulce who you know he was working with rampage for one time and it would just say the guy just he didn't want to train he would find candy wrappers like tucked underneath his mattress he would like hide candy in his bed and and he just didn't want to train and it's like so hard when you got a guy who's so talented yeah so good but just didn't want to do it so hard to drag and then you got other guys who you know they're supposed to be there at 550 they're there at 530 they're they're stretching out they're skipping rope before the gym opens.

[1694] Man, Pettis, his Lauson fight, and the Soroni fight was back in the gym Monday training.

[1695] Sergio, Monday.

[1696] Because they, you know what?

[1697] They get so inspired.

[1698] Hey, man, then bonus checks remind you.

[1699] That's what I love about the UFC, man. It's like, oh, bonus, okay.

[1700] I mean, I was just counting up bonus checks from some of the guys.

[1701] I think Alan Belcher's done $300 ,000 just in bonuses from the UFC.

[1702] I mean, I love that.

[1703] I'd like to see Glory.

[1704] Maybe you do that, I think that would make the fights even crazier.

[1705] Like, knockout of the night, move in the night, and fight of the night.

[1706] Now, what is it like being on Spike?

[1707] Oh, enjoying that?

[1708] Yeah, yeah.

[1709] I mean, it's great.

[1710] I mean, our production's pretty cool.

[1711] It's fun.

[1712] I mean, I definitely had to get better.

[1713] When I was the third guy at K -1, it was so different.

[1714] I actually went to broadcast in school with Bruce Beck in New York, the original UFC.

[1715] Yeah.

[1716] He really...

[1717] Bruce Beck gave me some good pointers when I worked with him yeah he's a great guy he's awesome he helped me so much um it's all about your notes and preparing and you know because i'm not a class you know it's so much easier for you you're you're an actor you're a comedian i i can talk right here i'm good in the booth but those live opens those are tough and you know those that's the toughest part for me the live opens but we're getting better that's the easiest part for me is the live oh no that's you man that's the easiest part of my day.

[1718] You know, we don't even rehearse it.

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] Goldie doesn't even they don't even tell me what they're going to ask me. I think you guys have a really tight production and we're getting there.

[1721] You know, we're going to get some more shows under a belt.

[1722] Yeah, that's what it is.

[1723] Shows under your belt.

[1724] I'm having fun though.

[1725] Actually, the other thing that's really helping me is my online striking university.

[1726] I teach so much on there and I'm filming and I'm getting a camera sense back because that's really helped me. I'm having a lot of fun with that.

[1727] I'm reaching people all over the world Kind of like what Eddie Bravo is doing.

[1728] I got this technique training site.

[1729] Now we have an affiliation too, so if you want to affiliate with Rufusport kickboxing, and a lot of cool benefits, people can come train with me as much as they want.

[1730] It's having fun.

[1731] Check me out at Duke Rufus .com.

[1732] I'm having so much fun doing it because I even respond in my forum, Q &A, put up cool videos.

[1733] I'm a teacher at heart, so I love interacting.

[1734] I have a student now who's in from Ireland.

[1735] I've just had some coming from tech.

[1736] Well, you're saying something really cool about your university, your online university, that when you sign up for it, you get a free week at your gym.

[1737] So if they decide to travel down to Mecca, make their way to Milwaukee, they can train with you for a week.

[1738] Oh, yeah, I mean, I love it because, I mean, you never know who is training.

[1739] There's different guys visiting me, and you just don't get my kickbox, and you get, I let you, dude, it's a buffet.

[1740] You want to train wrestling with Ascran.

[1741] You want to train Jiu -Jitsu with Danny Vanderley?

[1742] You want to train with the MMA team.

[1743] you know hey there's Anthony Pettis he was just playing around boxing with a few guys that visited like they taped it and everything that's cool yeah I mean like I said I always say I have a great group of guys at our team I actually designed Rufusport to be like a camp in Thailand when I went the Thailand all the kids are so cool the Thai kids they all help me especially if I worked hard and had a good attitude they all took me under their wing and and that's what I try and teach my guys you know that they're just very welcoming it's really good for my my students because they get new looks and new people to train with and it's just a fun time that's awesome man and your university is a great resource for someone who maybe doesn't have a duke rufus in their city because it's hard to find a really good high level kickboxing camp it's really hard you know if you if you're stuck in a town that doesn't have a good martial art school you can learn like really high level instruction online apply those techniques videotape yourself analyze it compare yourself helps a lot yeah i mean i i i i i'm still a video junkie i mean uh jo joe jo actually gave me some pointers today some new techniques we we got into we got into the think tank today and you know and that i'm always looking for it's a game of just milliseconds and millimeters or millimeters it's that little thing that'll make the biggest thing happen people don't realize that you know it's Anthony Pettis the showtime kick no it was four and a half rounds of a great game play and he did executed doing great basics that led to a special moment in his life yeah if he can do footwork do the proper punch and kicking defend takedowns defend submissions we never got there Yes, people look at the outcome.

[1744] They don't look at the journey.

[1745] You know, I mean, you've got a, that we're joking.

[1746] Joe is doing a badass kick.

[1747] His favorite, he has a wicked sidekick.

[1748] And I said, Joe, you've got the 10 ,000 rule down.

[1749] It takes you 10 ,000 hours to be an expert at something.

[1750] And people don't realize that.

[1751] They, they want to, you know, we have this culture.

[1752] Yeah, I do teach a lot of wild techniques, but they work for the people who, you know, it's like I want to do a flying arm bar in jiu -jitsu, well, you can't do an arm bar.

[1753] You can't move your hips.

[1754] You can't shrimp.

[1755] You have no idea of position.

[1756] So why are you going to do a flying arm bar?

[1757] Right.

[1758] You got to build up.

[1759] Yeah, definitely.

[1760] And just like everyone asked Ben, Ben asked her, I want to do the flying grandby roll.

[1761] No, let's work on this move first.

[1762] You know, it's, I culturally, we live in an ESPN sports center culture.

[1763] You know what I mean?

[1764] We don't see the whole game.

[1765] We saw the dunk.

[1766] We saw the home run.

[1767] We saw the cool soccer shot.

[1768] We didn't see the whole game of, you know what I mean?

[1769] Well, it's also what you were talking about earlier about shrinking a boxing match down to eight rounds.

[1770] Or, you know, the fact that you could download anything you want or order something on Amazon .com with one click, this just want it now thing that doesn't apply to MMA.

[1771] MMA is a mountain that you have to build one grain of dirt at a time.

[1772] And it takes a long fucking time to become a martial arts master.

[1773] To be able to kick like Anthony Pettis, to be able to wrestle like Ben Ascran.

[1774] it takes thousands upon thousands of hours and that's one of the things that we were showing today that we were working with like that sidekick the reason why people don't know how to do it correctly is because you don't you don't see anybody doing it like that so you see one person do it like that and you go oh that takes one person that can bang that throws that thing like a fucking lightning bolt and you go oh okay everybody else is doing it different well look what you said about Anderson Silva yes he kicks one dude in the face now there's front kicks every fight yes It's crazy.

[1775] It's like, well, Edson Barbosa with that wheel kick of Terry Adam.

[1776] All of a sudden, everybody wants to throw wheel kicks, you know.

[1777] And then you see Vitor do it to Luke Rockhole and Junior Dos Santos, do it to Mark Hunt.

[1778] I mean, you start to see that everybody knows that this technique is, like, really viable.

[1779] And then you start seeing it over and over and over again.

[1780] It's a copycat sport in a lot of ways.

[1781] Well, I mean, we all have healthy egos.

[1782] We all want to outdo one another.

[1783] We're all alpha males that, you know, so the athletes themselves, especially, they want to one -up each other.

[1784] I mean, all right, jih Tzu question, who can deal with Ronda's arm bar?

[1785] That's a very good question.

[1786] We don't know because, you know, you're seeing girls who have been able to defend it a couple of times, like Misha Tate in the last fight, defended it a couple of times.

[1787] I mean, she did a really good job defending it until she finally got caught.

[1788] But look at, I mean, there's, I think Liz Karmouche showed that there's some holes in Ronda's game with that takedown that she likes to do.

[1789] because she likes to grab the headlock and throw girls down on the ground and essentially giving up her back.

[1790] She gave up the hooks.

[1791] And then she got, you know, look, with, she got away with it with Liz Carmouche, who I don't know what belt she is, but she came close.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] She called disfucked her jaw up and Rhonda had to actually, like, rely on her neck to try to release the hooks.

[1794] She had to let go and just to not defend for a second and then got out of it, luckily.

[1795] But she was tweaked.

[1796] I mean, she couldn't chew food right for like a week after that.

[1797] Yeah.

[1798] If that happened, and let's say it's some real high -level world champion Brazilian jiu -jitsu black belt, what would happen then?

[1799] I mean, that's going to be really interesting.

[1800] But then again, the Ronda Rousey that fought Liz Karmouche and the Ronda Rousey that you're going to get today, you're getting a way better Rhonda.

[1801] You're getting a Ronda that's way better in the clinch at delivering shots.

[1802] Like Sarah McMahon knocked her out with that fucking liver body than the need of the liver.

[1803] She's just getting better.

[1804] She's not stopping.

[1805] She's going to continue, and she's getting more comfortable.

[1806] She's getting more relaxed with fighting.

[1807] She's getting more relaxed to the fact that she's the UFC champion.

[1808] So it's going to be really hard for someone to deal with that.

[1809] Yeah, Alex Davis has got a tough task, but she's tough.

[1810] She's very tough.

[1811] But, I mean, that's that one signature move.

[1812] It's crazy.

[1813] It's only been a few guys that have like a one signature move that continue to pull off over and over again.

[1814] Paul Sass comes to mind.

[1815] Yeah.

[1816] He's submitted more guys by triangle than anybody I could.

[1817] think of he's uh he's got a lot of wins by triangle his triangle is fucking wicked if you get on the he just has it down it just has it down all right greatest jiu jitsu fighter just jiu jitsu not mima greatest the most impressive i've ever seen is marcella garcia yeah most impressive i got to see him live in 2003 in salpolo when he emerged onto the scene when he fought chowlin yeah yeah and he hit chalin with an arm drag and he took his back and shalind rolled and he He kept rolling with him.

[1818] They roll, roll, roll, roll.

[1819] Until the time he's done rolling, Shaolin was asleep.

[1820] Wow.

[1821] I mean, it was just wicked, wicked speed and his squeeze and his technique.

[1822] He was, he's the most impressive I've ever seen in real life.

[1823] But I've seen him lose in real life too.

[1824] Jacques, Ray tapped him.

[1825] I saw Jacques -Aray.

[1826] Jacques -Rae was very clever.

[1827] He pulled guard and got him into Camorra.

[1828] Just fucking snapped his arm back in a Camora, like right away early in front.

[1829] They're just all high -level dudes.

[1830] All right, best MMA grappling.

[1831] Well, grappling, grappling?

[1832] Okay, there's grappling, and then there's submissions.

[1833] Okay, submissions, I've seen some pretty impressive MMA submission performances.

[1834] Damian Maya, when he submitted Rick Story, I mean, that is pretty goddamn wicked.

[1835] Maya is one of the best.

[1836] Yeah.

[1837] But, like, wrestling.

[1838] Jacaray.

[1839] Jacaray is a beast, for sure.

[1840] Yeah, he's one of the best.

[1841] But fucking Ben Ascran is one of the best grapplers.

[1842] As far as a guy who could take a guy that's a really tough, like, really dangerous, big, lightweight, really strong, or welterweight, rather, big, strong guy, and just toss him around, ragdoll him, take him down at will.

[1843] Guy can't defend against it.

[1844] Ascran is impressive as fucking shit when it comes to that, man. Really impressive, which is one of the reasons why me, as a fan of just the martial arts, period.

[1845] I'm a fan of, I think that one of the things that martial arts represents, what mixed martial arts represents, is potential scenarios and how do you overcome potential scenarios?

[1846] If everybody agreed, okay, let's no more takedowns.

[1847] From now on, no more takedowns.

[1848] Though MMA would just become kickboxing.

[1849] And there's fights where that happens.

[1850] There are fights where that happens.

[1851] But I'm actually sick of stand and wang.

[1852] As BJ would say, Wang, take them down.

[1853] Like, I can't stand watching guys.

[1854] Not that they suck at striking.

[1855] Like, dude, you're really good at wrestling.

[1856] Like, how much that suck for Andy Wang?

[1857] Yeah.

[1858] Sorry, Wang.

[1859] Sorry, bro.

[1860] Yeah.

[1861] Because it's based on him.

[1862] Yeah, yeah.

[1863] High -level Brazilian jih Tjitsu Black Belt and decided to stand with people.

[1864] And everybody's like, what the fuck is he doing?

[1865] Well, here's a fact that I tell people constantly.

[1866] And I don't think I'm going to get good enough to submit guys like you, my Jiu -Jitsu bro, Daniel Ronderwe.

[1867] I'm going to need a cannon to take Ben Ascran down.

[1868] Fact.

[1869] Fact is, you can knock me out, Ben can knock me out, and Daniel could knock me out.

[1870] striking mathematically is a much more chaotic sport.

[1871] If I zig when I should have zag, I get knocked out.

[1872] There's no, hey, Duke luckily tapped me with, no, there's no luck in Jiu -Jitsu.

[1873] Maybe in MMA if I hit you enough and you fall into.

[1874] You can sleep.

[1875] You can sleep and get caught in an arm bar.

[1876] But it's not as easy as there's no lucky punches, but if I zig when I could, you go to sleep easy and striking.

[1877] Yes.

[1878] So if you're not, that's why I teach all my guys.

[1879] to make sure they get good at wrestling, make sure they get good at Jiu -Jitsu because if you're struggling, say you break your hand, wait a minute, I hurt my foot.

[1880] Let's take this to the mat.

[1881] Like, an MMA, striking if it doesn't work, can be your downfall.

[1882] Really bad.

[1883] And especially with hands.

[1884] Hands are so easy to break.

[1885] You hit someone on the forehead.

[1886] Look at mine.

[1887] It's just so jacked from years of, and that's with just normal gloves, man. My hand is just maimed.

[1888] Yeah, you have like one shorter knuckle.

[1889] Yeah, it's smashed out of there.

[1890] Whoa, that's crazy.

[1891] Yeah, it's missing.

[1892] That one's really overdeveloped.

[1893] Yeah, my hands are bad.

[1894] It's been broken back there.

[1895] There's a metatarsal there popped out.

[1896] Did you get it fixed or did you just?

[1897] I've gotten a cast, but it's just, you know, years of doing it.

[1898] Does it hurt when you punch with it now?

[1899] No. What if you catch somebody with that funky knuckle?

[1900] This one or that one?

[1901] This one, the first one.

[1902] This.

[1903] Yeah, yeah, but I have to put a bumper in there if I'm going to fight again.

[1904] A bumper.

[1905] Yeah, but a nice little gauze pad in there to make it even.

[1906] So yeah, thanks to my man Stitch, he showed me how to fix that.

[1907] Well, you know, Vitor has broken his hands something ridiculous, like eight times.

[1908] He's had seven operations on his hands.

[1909] Yeah, it's just the MMA gloves.

[1910] You got to learn how to punch accordingly with an MMA glove.

[1911] You can't swing.

[1912] Remember when Yeriah threw down with, um, Mike Brown?

[1913] Yeah, both paws were smashed.

[1914] Broke both his hands.

[1915] Yeah, I mean, dude, early in the fight, too.

[1916] Yeah, man, Uriya, He's a really good friend of mine.

[1917] Man, that guy has an incredible heart.

[1918] There's no quit in favor.

[1919] Mental toughness.

[1920] Yeah, like, dude, I remember when he got carried out of the cage by Master Tong and Fabio Prado after his leg with Aldo, he lost the fight, but there was no way that guy was quitting.

[1921] Yeah.

[1922] And that's why I respect a lot about Uriah.

[1923] You know, I mean, he's one of those great fighters who I might not get the UFC title, but, man, he's got heart.

[1924] and that just you can't put a price on that.

[1925] How crazy would it be if T .J. Dillashaw beats Barow again in a rematch and then we see Uriah versus T .J. That's possible.

[1926] Yeah, I mean, that's the hard thing when you have a lot of fighters in the same weight in your gym.

[1927] I mean, everyone's the same squirrel going after the same nut.

[1928] DeBault and Carapetian were sparring the week he got the call for the fight.

[1929] Wow.

[1930] Then they had to go fight each other.

[1931] It was like that movie with, uh, with, um, with, Woody Harrelson and who's the Spanish, Antonio Banderas.

[1932] Remember the boxing movie?

[1933] They had the drive to the fight together.

[1934] Yeah, they both train at Holland.

[1935] They're on the same flight as me. That's happened to me where I've been on the same flight as a guy.

[1936] Well, you know, you see with MMA guys being real friendly with each other before they fight in a way that you never really see with boxing.

[1937] Yeah.

[1938] Why is that, you think?

[1939] You know, I think I noticed wrestlers will wrestle each other, train, wrestle each other, train, wrestle each other, trained same with jujitsu where like in Thailand everyone's respectful but no one trains with each other at holland they're good sportsmen but no one trains with each other like i don't know i mean but then again in like collegiate mean wrestling like minnesota and iowa are bitter rivals they'd never you know right iowa just i was their own little world they don't do anything with anyone they're just like feral cats they don't mess with anything they're also in another place like we were talking about Boston, about Boston.

[1940] The women aren't the best looking.

[1941] It's cold as shit.

[1942] Everybody's angry and everybody wants a fight.

[1943] That's nothing compared to Iowa.

[1944] You know, people in Iowa would vacation in Boston in January and go, this place is amazing.

[1945] Everyone's hot.

[1946] Look at all the teeth.

[1947] Hey, Pat Militj, I hope you're listening.

[1948] Just the fact.

[1949] I'm sorry, but look, the plus side is Iowa creates some of the toughest motherfuckers ever.

[1950] Yeah.

[1951] I mean, not just in Militage camp and one of the legendary camps of MMA, but I mean, how many top, and they grow giant fucking deer down there, too.

[1952] Holy shit, some of the biggest deer you've ever seen your life.

[1953] I got to give a quick thanks.

[1954] Pat Militage's been a big part of my development in MMA.

[1955] He really took me under his wing.

[1956] I come down, we used to bring a lot of our guys to cross -trained together.

[1957] Pat's a dear friend of mine, and I love the way he calls fights.

[1958] Yes, I do too.

[1959] Yeah, he's like you and I, he's telling all those little extra details that people want it's a punch it's a kick no the what the win the wear the why the how me and no no nonsense too i like his no nonsense approach to commentary he'll tell you when a guy's in trouble like he's in trouble he's losing this fight like this guy's got to get busy he's got to go do something he doesn't take a safe path he doesn't you know he doesn't sit on the sidelines and just sort of call the action he'll tell you what a guy has to do this guy's got to get busy he's got to do this if he doesn't do this he's going to lose this fight now pat actually He was one of the first innovators of true MMA, mixed martial arts, wrestling, striking, it's good at grappling.

[1960] And was a bad motherfucker.

[1961] Oh, yeah.

[1962] Dude.

[1963] It was a bad motherfucker.

[1964] I took, no, know what I did.

[1965] When I wanted to find out what Anthony Pettus was made of, I took him and Sergio down to, it was probably circa 07 or probably 07, 08, 07.

[1966] So I took him down there and Pat ran him through.

[1967] the he sparred with both surge and aunt you know oh yeah no it's cool it's I that was before I built my camp that was the testing ground you gotta go that practice room oh my god but that practice room the way they did it back then as opposed to way an intelligent camp they didn't know any better they were the innovators they were yeah they were and they were the innovators of the MMA camp they were the original you know what they call themselves the black lean Yeah, it was based on the Croatian Black Legion.

[1968] No, man, I mean, I've seen guys get knocked out.

[1969] They drag them off the man. Hey, Pat, what's going on today?

[1970] There's a lot of guys are going on.

[1971] Got a thin of her, Duke.

[1972] Yeah, okay.

[1973] You know, I mean, it's, but I mean, I was there with, you know, there's Tim Sylvia, Rothwell, Sessnelovich, Rory Markham, Jens, the dentist, Josh Sneer, McGivron, just the list goes on of all the different killers on the mat, and it was just fun.

[1974] I mean, you know, they had this crazy dude, Ackerman.

[1975] He was a former wrestler with his legs cut off, and he had the craziest strength.

[1976] I grappled him.

[1977] He could do the weirdest submissions.

[1978] He had like this shoulder lock where he stick his half leg into my hip and lock my shoulder.

[1979] shoulder and it was like the most painful submission i've ever been in nicest guy but he's he if his legs were not cut off he'd be super tall one of the best wrappers i saw him actually he did a submission tournament with red shaver he was getting put in the north -south and he did it back to him from the bottom and choked him unconscious he countered yeah whoa yeah it was a really cool counter how did he do it like in what way uh i'd have to pull the video up somewhere but this guy just had crazy strength.

[1980] So the guy had north -south on him.

[1981] So he's underneath.

[1982] Yeah.

[1983] And he had a counter to, is it, yeah, it was crazy.

[1984] I forgot what he caught him with.

[1985] But he just, because of his unique strength, and we'd be warming up and he'd run on his cut -off legs.

[1986] Whoa.

[1987] Yeah, but just a great guy, incredible grappler.

[1988] And he was a great wrestler, too.

[1989] And because his legs are cut off, he could fight at a lighter weight class.

[1990] Oh, my God.

[1991] So he had the arms of a heavy, right?

[1992] Yeah.

[1993] Wow.

[1994] Yeah, it's cool times.

[1995] And just some of the old school guys that fought way back in the day, I forgot the guy's name, but he looked like Mr. Freeze.

[1996] I've never been grabbed harder by one man. Just grab my freeze?

[1997] What was his name?

[1998] The guy from, I forgot one of the, he fought in the old school UFC.

[1999] He's a cop and I'm having a brain fart here.

[2000] What you look like?

[2001] White bald guy, pretty big.

[2002] Not Monson.

[2003] No, no, no. He only fought once or twice, but definitely, I mean, Pat had the history there.

[2004] It was so cool.

[2005] I mean, then he'd have Brazilians visiting guys from all over the world.

[2006] Kind of what I'm doing now of it, you know.

[2007] He had guys in.

[2008] What happened to militantias, Jim?

[2009] Just doesn't exist anymore?

[2010] Yeah, it's there.

[2011] I just think Pat's doing a lot of military teaching, and as well, he is doing his color commentary on access.

[2012] He's really into his family, too.

[2013] I mean, his girls growing up, I mean...

[2014] And so he doesn't train fighters anymore?

[2015] He helps out a little bit.

[2016] Yeah, I don't think it's something he wants to do full -time.

[2017] It's not for everybody, you know what I mean?

[2018] You got to be...

[2019] I mean, sometimes, you know, you've got to build a ride the emotional wave.

[2020] You know, I've had some times when you have negative influences in your gym and team where I'm almost ready to give it up.

[2021] Negative influences, you mean like...

[2022] people and attitudes yeah but i got to tell you i'm i'm the happiest i've ever been coaching and teaching right now my whole life like there's got to be some vindication now you've got a world champion not just a world champion you on bellator with askerin but now you've got the big you know the big one with pettus i think that's cool but i'm going to tell you joe know it's all about the people you do it with the people the faces you're there with every day you know I mean, that's what's all about for me. I would be doing this if I didn't have champions and didn't have famous UFC and guys on the high level.

[2023] But it's the feeling you, you know, the feeling you have when you walk into that place every day.

[2024] The people to look back at you and that, to me, I can only do things that make me happy.

[2025] I'm unfortunately, I'm not the guy who shuts up and will do it just to do it for a paycheck.

[2026] It's not me. right and so that's what i'm happiest well that's why you're so good at it oh thank you're so good at it because you have so much passion for it because you throw yourself into it because you commit to it 100 and because you're you're so deeply engrossed in the world of mama and kickboxing you're just you're so you mean you're you're you're living in it all the time if you didn't work for glory you and i could have the same conversation yeah definitely for sure i mean i i i can watch fights talk fights like people come into the gym visit and like holy crap it's like what time i could keep going and going and i love it i this is again getting back to the team i love the people my guys are they're not saints well trickles down yeah i just love who they are you set a great example in that gym i'm trained at your gym before and it's a very very friendly environment it's really cool hard workers thank you everybody's there to do their job everybody's there to work hard but it's a very friendly like very family environment it's really cool we tried to set up like the new place especially like a clubhouse so if you're not training you're hanging out we got the flat screens i mean um you know everyone's going to watch the uh free fights to end the world series of fighting at the gym saturday like i wanted to create a community like a real again that's kind of how tailand was all the guys lived at the gym and you know fights around guys would watch one of the guys fight on tv it's just in general i mean i think that's what martial arts is the dojo is a extension of the community center yes you know for me i really like reaching out because i have a lot of guys besides like you know pettis's dad was shot or stabbed and killed my guy mike biggie roads who fights in ufc's fighting in new zealand great kid moved from iowa actually his cousins mike van arsdale and uh he uh you know he has a tough story growing up his parents of bane and his grandmother you know raised him he went earned degree in college once he graduated from college moved up to milwaukee won the rfa title and then he's now in the ufc living the dream but what i love about him is he's so positive about the shit life he comes from he doesn't complain he's about the same with anthie he don't cry about what he was it's he's focused on what he wants to become and what he has become yeah his life is happy now because of that yeah and and just i mean even my guy rick glenn his sister's dying of cancer and he had to cancel out of the fight earlier this year and he's struggling he's going to win that belt Saturday and he's going to dedicate it to his sister who's you know been in a hospice struggling and i i i love the character and the strength of the people around it's inspiring it makes me you know want to do more so when i say i want to fight that's selfish those guys make me not want to fight and focus on them yeah because man they're just i love people who dedicate to themselves there's nothing worse than watching people waste their potential it's because this spite game's so hard man it's such a it's such a crime with everything in life yeah you're right you know even you probably know comedians actors who just are self -destruct comedians especially yeah it's the roller coaster man it's so hard to watch guys who have everything but they just won't it's hard to be dedicated yeah hard that's why a gym like yours is so important to be around a bunch of other dedicated people you inspire each other yeah you know like i have a bunch of dedicated comedian friends and i call upon them all the time for inspiration we inspire each other and being around guys that are constantly writing and pushing and going for it it makes you want to do the same the same thing with training when you're around guys that are training twice a day and training hard and really enthusiastic about it and pushing everybody and going for it it brings that up in you you want to do it yourself yeah i love it like i don't have to raise my voice too much anymore i love that Because they, they, I don't want to be a dick in the practice room.

[2027] I want to be cool.

[2028] I want to laugh if we're working hard.

[2029] You know, my pound sign is having fun getting it done.

[2030] If we're doing work hard, but have fun, you know.

[2031] It's cool.

[2032] I mean, I got my other guy, Dustin Ortiz fighting, tough fighting, Skagin.

[2033] So some of the, you gave me some tips for the fight that I, thanks, you know, some techniques with the side.

[2034] Skagins has a very interesting side stance.

[2035] And a very good wrestler, too, which is a real, weird combination with that karate background.

[2036] Big fan of that kid.

[2037] No, no, I mean, that flyweight division, I don't care what you fans are talking about.

[2038] That is a sick, stack division.

[2039] Wild, wild, wild division.

[2040] You know.

[2041] How are you enjoying transitioning to commentary?

[2042] Do you're doing commentary now for Glory, you know, and it's very nice to see high -level kickboxing on Spike, and I commend them for putting it on.

[2043] I was so happy when Glory got on Spike.

[2044] I was one of the first people tweeting about it.

[2045] I've watched every event.

[2046] I fucking love it.

[2047] I'm a huge, huge fan.

[2048] What is it like doing the commentary?

[2049] Are you enjoying that?

[2050] Is it weird?

[2051] I'm the biggest fan myself, you know what I mean?

[2052] I really am.

[2053] Well, that's what come.

[2054] It comes across, I think.

[2055] I love it.

[2056] I mean, even before, like, I surprised myself that I became a world champion in kickboxing.

[2057] Like, I just wanted to fight to validate my coaching, and I just kept on winning fights.

[2058] I'm like, oh, I guess I'm right at this.

[2059] But at the end of the day, I'm still the biggest fan.

[2060] Like, you're going to have to kick me out of here today.

[2061] I could just keep, you want to look at more fights?

[2062] It's, like, I can watch it until the cows come home.

[2063] I'm with you, man. I'm with you.

[2064] It's my, that's, you know, that's why I don't watch other sports because I think we're in the coolest sport.

[2065] There's, you know what the two oldest sports on the planet are?

[2066] Wrestling?

[2067] No?

[2068] Fighting and running.

[2069] Oh.

[2070] Either run, not the bee food or run to get your food.

[2071] Either fight, not the beef food.

[2072] It's true.

[2073] They're the two most primal things you can do.

[2074] Especially fighting.

[2075] Yeah.

[2076] I mean, that's what this.

[2077] Kind of a it's a Cicero quote on my arm The best protector of the sheep is the wolf I believe that some people and they're wolves And some people are sheep you know people love fighting They're the wolves they're the protector so you know And it's kind of like training day of state you're talking about it takes a wolf to catch a wolf But like fighting is dude.

[2078] It's the most primal thing I'm I still miss that that dude wants to kick my ass I got a kick his ass.

[2079] It's the most nerve -wracking.

[2080] It's like, all right, so I was a little experimental when I was a child and teenage.

[2081] After I lost my sister, I saw about 25 or 26 Grateful Dead concerts.

[2082] And I'll use this analogy.

[2083] I'd say that fighting, your first fight, if you've never done it before, it's like taking ass that either find yourself or lose yourself.

[2084] Like I've seen people are the baddest ass person on the planet.

[2085] They're the best fighter in the gym.

[2086] And they go to the fight and they just melt like butter.

[2087] They just can't, you know, it's like they trip out, you know.

[2088] And that's what I love about fighting.

[2089] You've got to take who you are in the gym and you're a god in front of 20 people.

[2090] I'll do it in front of 20 ,000 people.

[2091] Or in a local show, do it in front of 20, 200 people.

[2092] It's still, I love that vortex.

[2093] that rush of It's a proving ground Yeah I mean True proving ground An exposer of truth like nothing else Because that's what I think It's like I've seen so many people Lose themselves Dude all right bring up Dwarfed by the moment Bring up this clip This is when I knew Anthony Pettis was special Anthony All right I'll give you the fight He gets his shoulder popped out And he gets up and knocks a dude out With a head kick Like check this out And this is when I knew like and I have a lot of kids like this who just have that thing um Anthony Pettis verse dead air Mike Lambrick L -A -M -B -R -E -C -H -T and this you'll see raw but you want to talk about how you find yourself and lose yourself in life this is one of those moments like and you know that that's why I love that you know whether it's you go do it at a jitzy turn wrestling match whatever man like getting in a mono a mono situation is until you've done one -on -one sports you just don't know what i'm talking about there it is so how did he get his shoulder fucked up you'll see it here in a second yeah he's teeing off yeah that's that's old anthony that that that's hood red ant just come out the bell rings and that don't look like new anthony right yeah he's throwing a wild shit yeah yeah he just bang right there Boom.

[2094] You're taken down.

[2095] He fucked his shoulder up.

[2096] Yep.

[2097] So now.

[2098] How bad was his shoulder fucked up?

[2099] Wait till he stands up.

[2100] You're going to see something just crazy.

[2101] And, you know, it's just, what I do is I always judge people on their potential, not about each performance.

[2102] And, like, when I saw this, I knew that this kid had super potential.

[2103] Like, here he.

[2104] The hip escape.

[2105] Yeah.

[2106] fucking finds a way see it dangling oh yeah it's fucked up so watch this this is why this kid's special all right moves boom oh switch off the front leg too right yep so that's when you find yourself with a fucked up shoulder didn't tap out didn't think about quitting show that again jamie Jesus Christ you know what I mean Wow.

[2107] Everyone thinks he's just this flashy kid.

[2108] Boom!

[2109] And deep chin.

[2110] That's, yeah, that's perfect.

[2111] It's, that's beautiful.

[2112] Look at him.

[2113] He can't celebrate his shoulder so bad.

[2114] Now, what happened to his shoulder?

[2115] What did he want up doing?

[2116] Popped it out.

[2117] That's why he's head to get, yeah, he never gets injured in training.

[2118] It's in fights, man. Wow.

[2119] You know, and that shoulder was hurting him for a while when he had to go through it, and he got it fixed, and here he is, you know.

[2120] Wow.

[2121] Yeah, just crazy.

[2122] I mean, like, you just got that thing that that's what competing in the ring, the octagon, like, you know, it's just, I love that.

[2123] That's what I miss. That we got to fucking, you know, your mind, like, when I'm in the locker room, I don't care how badass, your mind's fucking with you.

[2124] It's, it's like you're on a trip.

[2125] Yeah.

[2126] You don't feel so good today.

[2127] You don't want to fight.

[2128] You got to be like, fuck you.

[2129] Come on, let's go.

[2130] you know like everyone has doubts in your mind that's the key you got to keep all those voices out of your head like oh you know he looks kind of ferocious and you know seriously man you're tripping out back there and then you know it's like you find it you get your hands taped and you figure it out but you know it's such a head trip there's uh mike tyson used to talk about that there's a cool speech he has where he's like i'm five minutes before in the locker room i'm getting my gloved up i'm pounding the leather and and I'm scared he's been training for me and I go out there but then when I walk to the ring I feel like a god and then when I walk to the ring I look at him and I don't take it I look for a chink in his armor you know it's just I love that intense moment I know I love that when you see him and that's one of the reasons why fights are so intense when you watch them on television when you see Chris Wyman step in there against Anderson Silva in two weeks or excuse me against leota machita in two weeks and you see those guys opposite each other on the other side of the octa guy you know those are two best 185 pounders in the world and they're about to go and the referee whoever it is looks at them are you ready and looks at the other one are you ready like holy shit here we go well i'll give you my perspective like i just get these dudes who like i could be the best fighter i'm great at street fighting so you're good at going hey bang i'm going to hit you by surprise you want to know what takes to be a real gangster i don't like you i got to fight you i'm fighting you for the world title guess what we got to go on press tours so every time i'm see you my adrenaline spikes man i hate fucking joker what i gotta be here with them all right we got another press conference oh shit we're in the same hotel room all week i keep running into this asshole i don't so every time it's like i got to think about this guy more than anything oh we're at the way in in the back and i got a stand next to him oh no now we got to walk out now we got to stare each other down oh shit and this is all you think about then you walk out you walk out you walk out first now you got to hear his song you're in you're in the ring waiting for him and then you know many times on the high level you confront with each other that's what i love about little shows you see the dude at the way in and then you show up and kick his ass there's nothing but on the big show man that you're constantly forced to be with that dude and that's something that folks don't take into account when they think about a fight a championship fight the amount of press these guys oh yeah do and the amount of interviews they have to do the same questions they have to answer over and over and over again morning radio shows interviews with the reporters enough enough enough enough it's an added element oh yeah people who can handle the the big big light media i mean that that that that's you know yeah that's a tough thing of glory i mean you're you're you know the restaurant small that we're we're at there's not a lot of stuff around there so it's like man i used to hate it in k1 we take the same bus to the fights wow my my first time i fought in japan they didn't have several locker rooms my opponent was on the table next to me that's how it is in thailand at lumpini stadium like then you got to sit like in a chair waiting to go right next to the dude you're going to scrap with it's just like the coliseum walk out with your opponent it's a trip you know what i mean like people don't understand the head trip about fighting again that's why i say it's like taking some hallucinogens it's you can trip out a little bit you know it's very distortory very real Reality distorted.

[2131] Yeah, man. I've seen people crumble under those situations.

[2132] Like, I've seen the toughest, most athletic people who can't handle the psychological side of this.

[2133] And when a fighter loses, that's when things get here, too, because then you start to question everything, your camp, you start questioning your conditioning program, you start questioning how you're setting your training up as far as how much emphasis is on this and how much is on that.

[2134] Maybe I need a new jujitsu coach, or maybe my striking coach doesn't understand striking for MMA.

[2135] Maybe I need to move to Albuquerque.

[2136] Maybe I should live in Seattle with Matt Hume or go to Montreal with Farrasah Hobby.

[2137] Yeah, I mean.

[2138] Your mind starts fucking with you.

[2139] Yeah, I mean, especially people, if they've been an alpha male successful their whole life.

[2140] My biggest advantage, I've been an underdog my whole life.

[2141] So I'm really good at, like, Henry Hill.

[2142] I know that once in a, like he said, and everyone's got to take a beat in once in a while.

[2143] So I'm mentally strong.

[2144] I know, like, whether...

[2145] You've taken beatings.

[2146] You know what it's like.

[2147] Yeah, whether it's verbal, abusive, you know, physical.

[2148] Like, people who've never had the struggle, those are the people that drop off the worst.

[2149] Well, that's one of the reasons why those guys who have brothers are so fucking dangerous.

[2150] You, who's had brothers?

[2151] John Jones, who had brothers?

[2152] Chris Wyman was beat up by his brother his whole life.

[2153] And Wyman's brother put him in the hospital, dropped a mental plate on his head.

[2154] Wow.

[2155] Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of shit with those guys.

[2156] Matt Hughes, he had a fucking tweed, just as badass as him.

[2157] Another gorilla growing up beating the fuck out of each other.

[2158] Yeah, he decided not to fight so his brother could be championed.

[2159] Is that crazy?

[2160] I know.

[2161] Think about what his brother could have been.

[2162] Yeah, he probably could be.

[2163] His brother was good.

[2164] Very, very successful.

[2165] We fought once in the U .S .C. didn't he?

[2166] I mean, you fought in other organizations, too, I believe.

[2167] I believe so, but yeah.

[2168] Another gorilla is huge.

[2169] I mean, so again, that mental side of this sport, that's, I know what I like to do.

[2170] My new, I run my, um, my older fighters are kind of like Navy SEAL.

[2171] On the base, Navy SEALs don't have to wear their uniforms.

[2172] They don't have as much protocol.

[2173] But my newer fighters, I put in through my Spartan training, I try and see what you're made of early on in your career.

[2174] If you have any aspirations, if you can't get through the Spartan stage, you're never going to get to the top level.

[2175] You know what I mean?

[2176] So, like, what kind of, what difference?

[2177] I'm just, we're a little harder on them.

[2178] And then my pro guys, the pro guys are made guys, man. been doing it you know it's the difference the way you talk to a high school football player as opposed to a NFL work you know what I mean and I'm not I don't do it to be mean I want to see what you're made of man right you know if you if you break down because a coach got in your ass you're kind of a pussy aren't you you know sorry I wanted to make you great yeah yeah sorry I want you to win sorry I don't want you to get your face rearranged yeah dealing with adversity in all forms verbal adversity and if you can calm yourself down during those horrible moments of Duke rufus screaming at you yeah i mean that's not always but i mean i i just know my brother's did my my brother know what i'll describe my my sister died when i was 15 and i i found her dad she died of cids it was pretty tough it's probably why i didn't have a kid for a long time honestly that's when i you know later in life and it's it's pretty traumatic for me it needs to say it's not feel sorry for duke it's just what i figured out and i feel better now about it but i was 16 I decided I've been doing martial arts my whole life, but I said, I want to be a fighter.

[2179] My brother was older than he's 20s, already world champ, and Rick was a killer.

[2180] The scene on a godfather, remember when Michael goes, you know, I want to be in the family business.

[2181] And my brother's like Sonny, a hothead, like, this ain't for you, kid.

[2182] Remember he goes, you're used to shooting him from far away.

[2183] We kill him up close.

[2184] And my brother was kind of, like, scoffed at me. Like, you want to be a fighter?

[2185] so i had to go through the rick rufus indoctrination my brother man he used to lay beatings on me like you wouldn't believe yeah hit me with spin back kicks wheel kicks back i mean that kid was you know it dude my brother was amazing especially in his game pk style kickboxing but i was like a rocky movie i just kept coming back every day i just i was so messed up but i just wanted it so bad but I'm not saying that bad I'm glad my brother did that to me he made me so hard he made me bane man you know I was molded in the darkness as he said you know remember bane and the batman movie you you guys nearly choose the darkness no I was molded in it I had I had to go to hell every day I used to box in the inner city in Milwaukee in the Martin Luther King Center it was like that scene I remember true romance Is it white boy date?

[2186] No, I don't think so.

[2187] You know, my nickname was Snowflake.

[2188] You know, the only white guy in the room, you know, it's like years of oppression.

[2189] You know, it's cool.

[2190] I got my ghetto pass.

[2191] Now I'm all, like everyone knows back home that I can throw, you know, but that's what made me, you know.

[2192] A lot of guys don't want to go through that.

[2193] I'm so happy I had to do it that way because it made me so mentally tough that I have gotten my ass.

[2194] kicked and had the, that's the hardest thing in the world.

[2195] Get the crap kicked out of you and then you have to go beat someone else.

[2196] You know, it's, dude, what's the worst humiliating thing you can do in life?

[2197] Get your ass kick.

[2198] In front of God and everybody.

[2199] God and everybody.

[2200] Yeah, some guys, they have one loss, one big loss, and they just never recover.

[2201] They never the same again.

[2202] Toughest thing I had to do in my whole career.

[2203] I fought 2001.

[2204] They needed a quick replacement for K1 at the Blasio.

[2205] I took the fight like on three weeks notice.

[2206] I had another fight plan.

[2207] I was just starting my major strengthening condition for a fight seven weeks later.

[2208] No, or like 45 days after that one.

[2209] So these are amount.

[2210] So I'm just, but hey, man, it's K1.

[2211] If I win, I'm back in the Super 16 to go to Tokyo.

[2212] So I come out there.

[2213] I threw down with Staffland Letko.

[2214] It was a great fight.

[2215] I think it's on YouTube, actually.

[2216] We were going in.

[2217] I felt so great first round.

[2218] I sit down on that stool, boom, hit a wall.

[2219] And then, man, we're going at it.

[2220] We're going at.

[2221] He drops me once in the second round.

[2222] Then the second round, I go to uppercut, and I just reach too far.

[2223] I see that freaking uppercut common.

[2224] It's like, that's a worst thing that can happen in your life.

[2225] See a counter?

[2226] Oh, fuck, I'm going to get it with that.

[2227] Next thing, you know, I'm looking up at the lights.

[2228] But the thing is, I was suspended 45 days.

[2229] I think I was fighting 46 days later.

[2230] So I had to go fight that one's on YouTube, too, me versus Pedro.

[2231] So you lost by stoppage, and then 46 days later you fought again?

[2232] Yeah, against a guy who his only losses were to my brother and Marie Smith coming into that fight.

[2233] Wow.

[2234] Now, when you do that...

[2235] That was the toughest challenge in my career.

[2236] Wow.

[2237] How much time do you wait until you spar again?

[2238] I waited a good amount.

[2239] I really didn't spar at all.

[2240] A shadow box pads, everything.

[2241] Wow.

[2242] Yeah.

[2243] Just to give your brain a rest.

[2244] Yeah.

[2245] That's so important.

[2246] There's so many guys get knocked out in training, and then they go to the fight, and then they get clipped by one shot, and their body just gives out.

[2247] I know a couple guys.

[2248] I won't rat them out to the UFC that have gotten knocked out and training and still fight.

[2249] And they told, I'm like, man, you can't do that.

[2250] Yeah.

[2251] So, yeah, I mean, that was the toughest fight in my career.

[2252] Because not only that, but, man, I just got knocked the F out.

[2253] Like, that takes a piece of you away.

[2254] Like, you think you're some bad mofo, you know?

[2255] Like, I don't think I had gotten stopped by someone since Mike Bernardo in 96.

[2256] So I hadn't been stopped, rock, put on my ass by anyone since, like, that point.

[2257] You know what I mean?

[2258] Right.

[2259] So it's years, you know.

[2260] It takes, you know, when you get dropped on your ass, it takes the, you know, it's like Maverick and Top Gun.

[2261] I can't get a bag, you know.

[2262] But that was for me that's office fighting in my career.

[2263] I ended up winning, and I stopped the guy in three.

[2264] rounds but you know that's the thing people don't realize in golf and tennis yeah you lost bro yeah yeah he lost a basketball game when we lose it's it's catastrophic guy loses in an mma fight or a kickboxing fight or even in wrestling it's like someone just stole who you are yeah definitely stole a part of your essence a guy submits you in a jiu jitzy match yeah triangles you and you like he just owned you it's like ben henderson you could see like not rubbing it in a Ben because I like Ben respect him a lot you know he's a great performance by the way Ben I told him personally at the fight Great submission The Roostom Hobbyloff fight was fantastic He looked so good in that fight yeah no dude he has the pedus factor Anthony creates his own little Frankenstein He's making this dude get better man He's like he's coming back God damn it stay down don't come back I can't wait to see that rematch Yeah shut up I can't wait to see it I know because it's hard to beat a guy three times You know, I always say that.

[2265] It's always hard to beat someone, you know, sooner or later, like how Marquez got up to Pacquiao.

[2266] Yeah.

[2267] But, you know, it, you could see Ben just crushed, you know.

[2268] That's the hardest thing.

[2269] I respect him.

[2270] And that's the hardest thing about the sport.

[2271] You see your opponent.

[2272] I'm glad he tapped.

[2273] Yeah.

[2274] I tell you that.

[2275] It drives me nuts when guys don't tap and they get their arms snapped.

[2276] Yeah.

[2277] And then, you know, they're fucked for it.

[2278] Well, John Jones lost his title or could have lost his title to Vitor Belfort.

[2279] but he decided not to tap.

[2280] And when Vitor was cranking on that arm and it was hyper -extended, John made a decision.

[2281] Yeah.

[2282] He made a decision.

[2283] I'm going to let this arm get fucked up.

[2284] And his arm was fucked up for a long time.

[2285] That's why he coached on the Ultimate Fighter with Chale because he really couldn't train or fight.

[2286] So he's like, just coach, you know?

[2287] What's the worst lock break you've seen?

[2288] Is it Negaara or Tim Silvia?

[2289] Well, Nogara's just as bad if not worse.

[2290] Maybe Nogera's worse.

[2291] I don't...

[2292] Because it was Nogera.

[2293] Remember my boy, Danny Downs?

[2294] I can't believe...

[2295] Remember when the Kimori got put in?

[2296] Yeah.

[2297] That kid is so tough.

[2298] Yeah, amazing.

[2299] Yeah.

[2300] He's actually coaching in San Diego at Victory MMA, and he writes for the UFC.

[2301] Oh, beautiful.

[2302] Yeah, he's got some funny stuff, man. He's cool.

[2303] But that's one tough Irish kid.

[2304] Fuck, yeah.

[2305] Yeah, I couldn't believe, like, he just, you know, again, sometimes guys don't do as well as they'd like to do in the UFC, but I'll tell you one thing about that kid, heart, courage.

[2306] He went out on a shield, you know, sometimes as an air.

[2307] athlete you're the hammer you're the nail your job is to entertain the fans and the kid came out to fight every time oh yeah he was very fun to watch very fun to watch as all your guys are you you produce really exciting fighters try to i mean uh something i learned years ago from growing up and my dad was a promoter you know you want to be a promoter's delight you know you want to be the guy that hey we got to get these guys on there you know it's fun you know i mean to sergio's credit he tried to finish the fight.

[2308] He was winning against Bruce Leroy, and he dropped for submission, made him a tactical air.

[2309] He wanted to finish with the heel hook.

[2310] Bruce Leroy got him, you know?

[2311] I'm a big fan of Bruce Leroy.

[2312] I think he's underrated.

[2313] I think he's a very...

[2314] What do you think about him versus Uriah?

[2315] Interesting.

[2316] I mean, it's just...

[2317] You know, he's a tough fight.

[2318] Yeah, tough fight.

[2319] I mean, Uriah is a veteran.

[2320] I mean, if he does what he did to McDonald, just runs at him, makes the street fight, throws him on the ground, vinted.

[2321] That's what I like seeing Uriya do.

[2322] I don't...

[2323] I think Jariah is doing good striking, but I think when he comes out, Uriah Caveman, yeah, Ra, and Alan just chokes people out.

[2324] He's kind of a blueprint for what I want to see.

[2325] A lot of my wrestlers do.

[2326] Go punch him, take him down, throw him down, choke him out, and let's go home.

[2327] That McDonald fight was probably his finest performance in the Ocgon.

[2328] It was spectacular.

[2329] I think older fighters, like, he kind of reminded me a little of Oscar de Rojoia.

[2330] like Oscar Switched training with Mayweather's dad and you get bored with certain styles you put weapons into your arsenal but sometimes learning new weapons actually hurts you more than helps you you know what I mean?

[2331] Because it gets you confused Yeah, you like are almost too much I used to do that I'd be like man I'm really into this technique but it's not helping me it's actually hurting me We're running out of time We just about hit the three hour mark Oh sorry yeah So how do people get a hold of Duke Rufus University.

[2332] How do they get there?

[2333] Duke Rufus .com.

[2334] Duke Rufus .com.

[2335] Yeah, D .K .E .R. Yeah.

[2336] It's all for a dollar rate now you can join.

[2337] Check it out, man. And Duke Rufus on Twitter.

[2338] Yep.

[2339] Instagram, Facebook, all that.

[2340] This Saturday night, Glory is going to be live on Spike, the prelims, and then pay -per -view for the main tournament.

[2341] Yeah.

[2342] I'm going to be there.

[2343] I can't wait.

[2344] Yeah, Joe's going to be in the house.

[2345] If you're in the L .A. area, come on out, meet.

[2346] There's going to be a lot of fun people.

[2347] At the forum, right?

[2348] Yeah.

[2349] Yeah, of course.

[2350] Joey Karate.

[2351] He's making a comeback.

[2352] Yeah, Joey Diaz is coming down, too.

[2353] He's coming with me. And that guy who annoys you, that Brazilian guy.

[2354] He's my buddy.

[2355] About the heifer.

[2356] Yeah, Master Orange.

[2357] We'll be there.

[2358] We're going to get him high.

[2359] Oh, yeah.

[2360] Should be a good time.

[2361] All right, thank you, brother.

[2362] Oh, no, man. It's my pleasure.

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[2373] Lots of good guests next week.

[2374] Much love to everybody.

[2375] Enjoy your weekend.

[2376] Talk you soon.

[2377] Big kiss.