#1503 - Josh Barnett

[0] Two, one.

[1] Demons.

[2] Demons.

[3] Demons.

[4] I'll take them.

[5] I'll just, you know.

[6] Absorb them into your soul.

[7] Sure.

[8] Enough.

[9] And kill them with your own darkness.

[10] That's probably possible, you know.

[11] Just the beard alone might scare them off.

[12] Could be.

[13] I've definitely always got the soundtrack for it.

[14] How long even drawing that, fucker.

[15] That's a real one.

[16] That's a man's beard.

[17] This thing actually has taken quite a long time.

[18] I am not of the sort who is prone to growing facial hair.

[19] Like, it took me until probably.

[20] 36 before I had a single chest hair.

[21] What?

[22] Oh yeah.

[23] Really?

[24] Yeah, I blame the Native American side of my family.

[25] Wow, that's crazy.

[26] Yeah.

[27] Yeah, I've got back hair now, like full back hair.

[28] Something over the last, like, from the time I was like, probably like 35, I started growing like serious back hair.

[29] Now I'm 52, and, you know, I'm not like, who's that Russian wrestler dude?

[30] Is this one?

[31] Oh, well, there was this guy Victor Zengyev who actually did professional wrestling and that guy was just coated in it oh yeah right there's another guy solomon hashimikov also he's just a fur coat who was the there was one wrestler who had he'd done a bunch of films and stuff uh george the animal steel oh well yeah him he's about his hair he's a human guess he was a math teacher or something like that in real life yeah that's like yeah look at him full on gorilla i mean that guy was a fucking wearwolf look at the hair on him Jesus Christ When you got a head like that It's like you're always walking under a full moon He was in a bunch of like Art House movies I could see that Well there was also a guy named Tor something Who was in Plan 9 from outer space And he was also a professional wrestler Well I mean They're acting all the time Is this like the Harriest Wrestlers Is that what you pulled up?

[32] I was looking for the Russian guy I bet you I bet you if you put it in the Harriest Wrestler's feet I'm sure that would show up too Yeah the Russian guy is a current competitive grappler and he's built like a brick shit house and he's covered in hair yeah he's like everything hairy is fuck yeah so i'm not naturally all that prone to be in particularly hairy but your beard is so uniform it's beautiful it's like the front part is dark and the sides are perfectly white i mean doesn't get any better than that dude you know it's it's coming in kind of nice yeah yeah i use all the right lotions and tinctures ungence do you use lotions no no that doesn't look like you do not a very high maintenance guy.

[33] Every now and again, I will put some beard oil in it, but that's about it.

[34] Beard oil.

[35] Beard oil.

[36] And it's mainly because I'm just trying to keep the knots out of it.

[37] Yeah, people will look down upon you if you groom your beard hair in any way for some strange reason.

[38] I have seen that.

[39] It's very weird.

[40] You think a razor touches this?

[41] That's not okay?

[42] Possibly.

[43] You can shave, but you can't trim.

[44] Yeah.

[45] No, you got to let this shit just go to nature.

[46] This is full will to power right here.

[47] It just does what it wants to do and get stronger every day like if you took your pubic hair so you made like a crown oh for sure yeah you just you just uh you can't do that formulated that into your your uh your your monument to your cock yeah who was the dude there was a guy who was a ufc fighter did he had a hair up and oh Brian Brian Ebersol yes something like that yeah uh he's a he's a skillful guy very very very skillful.

[48] Very slick.

[49] He was a guy that had, fuck, man. He's like a Jeremy Horn type character with like 100 plus fights.

[50] Yes.

[51] There he is.

[52] Yeah.

[53] I never saw a guy more calm, cool, and collected in a fight before.

[54] You know, I'm surprised that he has it pointing upwards.

[55] Like, you know, hit here instead of, but I guess the nature of chest hair is as such.

[56] Yeah, maybe just want to avoid nutshots.

[57] There you go.

[58] You got the very manicured one.

[59] Yeah, that one, I like that one a lot.

[60] He Probably, yeah, waxed to finish that off.

[61] Yeah.

[62] Those nice lines.

[63] Had someone do it.

[64] Someone really talented.

[65] That's like a broadhead.

[66] I mean, that looks like a real serious broadhead.

[67] Oh, goodness.

[68] Like he knows what he's doing.

[69] He's out there.

[70] He ain't fucking around when it comes to his chest hair.

[71] Yeah, that guy, he just, I don't know what happened.

[72] He just stopped.

[73] I don't know if, I don't think he's retired, but he had so many, so many fights.

[74] Well, you got to figure, you know, what is the.

[75] What is the length of time that you can continue to be an athlete?

[76] And I've said this to a lot of folks, and that is you don't know what your athletic window is.

[77] Especially when you create something exceptional, like you start if you're an Olympic athlete or your world -class athlete or professional athlete, as you continue to move up the ladder of a difficulty, so to speak, the shorter the window is that you can compete at that level, obviously.

[78] but everybody's athletic window is limited.

[79] So the length of time you can be a competitive fighter is, you know, who knows how long are they?

[80] I guess I've seen some stats that say over five years, it starts to decline over seven, or around seven, it really starts to take a nose dive.

[81] Yeah, they say for a pro -MMA fighter, it's like you have nine years to compete at a very high level.

[82] But that's who's they?

[83] And even then that nine years is still more towards the tails and not into the.

[84] the middle of it.

[85] And I mean, a lot of folks, you'll see them.

[86] You'll get to the UFC.

[87] They are there for about three, four years.

[88] And then even towards that tail end of that four years, it's like they're no longer in the running for any of the major fights.

[89] Yeah.

[90] I think for people on the outside, I don't think they understand what's going on in terms of injuries, wear and tear, just the overall punishment that your body takes through the grueling sessions, training session, sparring.

[91] Yeah, you're doing untold amounts of damage to your body, and there's, of course, a matter of chance in terms of, oh, did somebody roll into your knee that day or not, or did you just land a punch wrong?

[92] I mean, there's all kinds of other factors that just can't be accounted for.

[93] That's why it's kind of crazy when you see a high -level fighter who's, like, training for a world championship fight, and they're in one of those group class environments, where there's, like, 13 other dudes around them, and they're like, Jesus Christ.

[94] Yeah.

[95] That's so risky.

[96] It is.

[97] And I think a lot of it stems from the origin of MMA.

[98] It's being derived from wrestling, from the jujitsu, from martial arts structured elements.

[99] But also, the money wasn't there for dedicated trainer -manager types.

[100] So it's like as soon as the manager construct came into MMA, and I say construct because I don't think most MMA managers are actual managers.

[101] They're mostly just agents.

[102] They find fights and whatever, and they'll get a collective of other fighters under their wings so they can have some sort of collective bargaining by having these other athletes or always being able to shuttle somebody in depending on what the UFC or some other organization might need.

[103] But they're not really overseeing someone's career.

[104] Right.

[105] We should talk about that, like what that means.

[106] What you're essentially saying is they're not like a boxing manager will slowly, build you towards a world title fight and a UFC fighter doesn't really get that opportunity No, that's true and part of it is because I would say a lot of these quote unquote managers want to fast track an athlete into getting the money and with boxing managers and there are times where people are fast track look at Lomashenko.

[107] So he was such of a high level that he's already being put into the big high dollar matchups and what have you.

[108] In MMA, John Jones, where it actually worked, you know, fast -tracked, or yourself.

[109] You're the youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.

[110] True, but I did have 24 fights by the time I ever hit the UFC or something like that.

[111] But you're still, what were you, 23 when you won the title?

[112] I was 24 when I won the title.

[113] That's still very young, particularly for a heavyweight, right?

[114] Yes, yeah, no, it is quite young.

[115] And it lasted as the youngest UFC champion of all time until John Jones beat it.

[116] by like a few months or something like that by age when he won his title.

[117] But these management types came into the fold.

[118] And then they're like, well, you know, we get 33 % or 20 % or all these different percentages.

[119] Do they get 33 %?

[120] There are ones out there that you get 33.

[121] There was a case around a fighter suing his former manager.

[122] And the manager was getting 33 and a third.

[123] So which I guess was the maximum allowable by California.

[124] standards, I believe.

[125] That seems so wrong.

[126] It does seem wrong.

[127] But the other thing about this, and the way I approached it was, you get these numbers, you get these ideas from boxing and these other avenues that are more established.

[128] But here's the thing.

[129] A boxing manager will take a fighter, house them in the cat skills or whatever, take them to Big Bear, put them in a home, pay for sparring partners, so on and so forth.

[130] and the amount of actual management in terms of logistics and everything else going around someone's career is being, is vastly different from just, oh, yeah, well, I called up the UFC and said, yeah, I'll throw you in in two weeks.

[131] Right.

[132] It's not the same thing.

[133] And you think you deserve 33 and a third percent for that.

[134] With my fighters, I tell them, look, once I can make you over 10 grand, start paying me. Because other than that, like, what am I going to do with your $200?

[135] Right.

[136] By myself.

[137] Are you managing guys or training?

[138] I have actually been managing fighters since the early 2000s.

[139] No shit.

[140] Yeah.

[141] I didn't know that.

[142] I knew you were training guys.

[143] Yeah.

[144] No, I started off with managing Megumi Fuji's career.

[145] Oh, okay.

[146] Got her first fights in the U .S., helped her turn pro, all that, and negotiated her Bella Tour deals, all that kind of stuff.

[147] And then I managed Victor Henry as for like a more modern athlete I'm working with.

[148] Victor Henry, he's on eight -fight winning streak.

[149] He's probably next in line to fight for a title in Risen.

[150] He's been kicking the crap out of people in Risen.

[151] He's the deep world champion.

[152] He's beating people up in Russia.

[153] And the thing is, you know, people are so concerned about just the UFC or the American market, which I get it.

[154] It is the largest market.

[155] It is the most notable.

[156] And it has incredible fighters in it.

[157] But there's incredible fighters everywhere.

[158] and there's also that process towards graduating a fighter up to their best position and giving him the best experience for that fighter.

[159] And I was just talking to someone at the UFC the other day about Victor.

[160] And he goes, you're doing the right thing with him.

[161] You know, you're building him up.

[162] You're making him the best version of himself he can be and you're taking care of him and getting him paid.

[163] And, you know, that's part of the experience.

[164] And also I try to make sure to give my fighters the experience of being around the world, seeing the world.

[165] There's nothing that will change your outlook towards being in other places, especially the more disparate from what you're used to.

[166] I got a great fighter named A .J. Bryant at Featherweight, and I took him all the way over to Kabarovsk, Russia.

[167] Whoa.

[168] And yeah, it was a real eye -opening experience, but the thing was, it was eye -opening in all the right ways.

[169] And he had such a blast being in such a different environment and getting to be really out of his comfort.

[170] zone.

[171] And, you know, I live to do stuff like that for my fighters as well.

[172] Yeah, that's growth as a human.

[173] Exactly.

[174] Which will translate into growth as a fighter.

[175] I don't see how it won't, especially I think, within the, within that overall apparatus of fighting and the constant fail, failure to succeed rhetoric, you just can't come out and immediately win at everything that you're trying to do and you won't come out and immediately be great at everything you do.

[176] Right.

[177] Some things, sure.

[178] But it's about the overall path of all of this.

[179] It's about your overall growth and where you started and where you end up.

[180] And I think if you look at the overall talent pool in the world, it used to be that the elite fighters were all either at pride or at UFC.

[181] That's what it used to be.

[182] But now, like you see when Eddie Alvarez went over to one, he fought that Timothy, Nazi.

[183] Yucan.

[184] Nasda Yucan is a bad motherfucker.

[185] He must be if he's beaten Eddie Alvarez.

[186] He's got to be tough as shit.

[187] And Eddie Alvarez, of course, former UFC champion is world class.

[188] So to see him get beat down by that guy, you go, well, these motherfuckers are out there.

[189] And the talent level is so high.

[190] Like, there's guys that get to the UFC.

[191] And right when they get here, you go, holy shit, where's this guy been?

[192] Like Piotr Yan, who's fighting, he's fighting for the title this weekend against Josealdo.

[193] and Piotr Yan is this badass Russian dude who's fucking vicious and when he first came over to the UFC I'm like Jesus Christ where has this guy been it's like you see these guys who are all over the world now you know you see an elite world class fighters and it's not just the UFC anymore like I firmly believe Douglas Lima is one of the best welterweights on the planet if not the best yeah he's got an incredible dynamism to his game and he just he's his offensive capabilities are just absolutely deadly deadly yeah he finds holes you know i mean for him to knock out michael page but we're not talking about my my my dating life different kind of holes me for him to knock out michael page like that i mean page it's hard to even hit that guy he is he is very elusive and i know what people like to really rag on page uh i think he's awesome me too man and i met the kid uh it's so weird to think that everybody's kind of like kid to me now but uh i mean i'm sure from the youngest ever you UFC champion to, here you go.

[194] And there's still some people, I'm sure I'm kid too, like Mark Coleman.

[195] I'm sure he'll always call me kid.

[196] Or Gene LaBelle.

[197] Or Gene LaBelle.

[198] Yeah, 100%.

[199] If you ever come across Gene, if my name comes out of your mouth, he's going to go, well, tell him Uncle Gene said, thanks for teaching him a Kimura.

[200] It never ends.

[201] I mean double wrist lock.

[202] He's such a character.

[203] Yeah, I love Uncle Gene to death.

[204] I absolutely do.

[205] but there's great fighters everywhere and really promotions one of their biggest one of their biggest duties is to find them to cultivate those fighters they're not great just because they're in your organization they're great because your organization finds great fighters right right yeah they're out there and I mean if you think about just the level of awareness of elite fighters now because of YouTube and because of all these different streaming services.

[206] I mean, you can watch, you could be anywhere in the world and watch Top Flight Talent.

[207] It's not a surprise anymore.

[208] There's even amazing guys out there like Jack Slack and Lawrence Kenshin that do breakdowns on specific fights, fighters, and specific techniques.

[209] Where if I send Jack Slack and Lawrence Kenshin and stuff to my team all the time in group chats, like watch us, watch us, watch us, watch us.

[210] Yes.

[211] You know, if any of them pick up like a teep like Samart, then I'm like job done.

[212] Yeah, and I didn't have to do anything about it, which is even better.

[213] Those clips are so great, too, because they'll highlight a specific technique, they'll show the K .O. or the finish, and then they'll break down all the different moving parts.

[214] Like, both those guys are fantastic.

[215] Robin Black's created it as well.

[216] Robin Black's great.

[217] Bink.

[218] Yeah, Robin is very entertaining, too.

[219] He's a really entertaining person, you know, and his enthusiasm for martial arts really comes through.

[220] I do love his sincerity.

[221] Yeah, he's a great person.

[222] thing that is missing, you know, sincerity and authenticity and anything you do.

[223] And just like we talked about the Rogan Man Cave, but it's not about being a man cave.

[224] This place is an extension of everything that you're trying to create for yourself.

[225] And that is, honestly, whether you have the means to create something like this, or you just have the means to create something really small in your own little apartment.

[226] Like, everything that you do should be in worship, so to speak, to what you're, ideal you're trying to create.

[227] Right.

[228] Yeah.

[229] And you can't do that if you're insincere.

[230] You can't do that if you're if you're just trying to be the packaging and not the item.

[231] Yeah, we were talking about that earlier that there's too many, and I think this is part of the problem with social media is that people are intoxicated with this idea of having other people think they're awesome.

[232] So they put out all this stuff to make it look like, you know, like they're this amazing person and, you know, they'll put up these quotes and put up this shit but it's it's not really what they're into they just want you to think they're into it and it comes off that way like you get like one of my biggest pet peeves like and i was gonna i posted a quote last night or not a quote rather but an image of uh miamoto musashi because i got i got into the book of five rings again i cannot wait to hear what what just criticism somehow came out of nowhere to tell you what what a jerk you were how wrong you are I don't know if there is any criticism.

[233] I didn't pay attention.

[234] But what I was going to criticize is I was going to say that I have an issue with there's a lot of people online.

[235] It's not even that I have an issue.

[236] It doesn't resonate with me. This is a better way of putting it without being negative.

[237] There's so many people that are posting motivational shit, but they haven't done anything.

[238] True.

[239] It is trying to be the packaging and not the item.

[240] You can do this.

[241] If you feel that, go do this.

[242] This is how you go get it.

[243] What the fuck?

[244] of you done.

[245] You have to do something.

[246] And I didn't say this last night, but this is what I meant when I posted it.

[247] Like, if you want to take inspiration, there's something about the words of Miyamoto Musashi that are profoundly inspirational because he's a man who bested over 60 men in one -on -one sword fight.

[248] So when he's talking about strategy, where he's talking about technique, and he's talking about preparation, and you must research this, you must look into this.

[249] And this is how you go, this is how you go about attacking.

[250] This is how, this is how you play off your opponent's strategy.

[251] He's talking about life or a death with a fucking sword.

[252] You can't get more serious than that.

[253] It comes through in his words, man. Even translation from Japanese to English, even though it's 400 years later, there's something about that guy that it gives me goosebumps, man, when I read his shit.

[254] All, I fell in love with samurai philosophy a long time ago from, what, Nitobe and the Hagakure.

[255] and there's even one called Budo or Samurai philosophy of the samurai I forget the name of it, but it's a really short, succinct book that really nails down some things.

[256] And I think part of why what they have to say is so authentic and so real, so to speak, is because it's life or death for them.

[257] You know, reading Storm of Seal by Ernst Junger and you're reading this guy's take on being in World War I and it's not that he was never afraid it's not that he didn't understand what war is it's just from his position as a soldier in the way he approached things and the way he even still saw beauty in these moments in living in that part of his life it's it's clearly somebody that that I believe has a good grip on being towards death as Heidegger would put it like being embracing what it means to be alive, and by embracing that, you're also embracing the fact that you are going to die.

[258] It is not going away, that death is alongside you, and you don't know when it's coming, and there's no need to because you're not supposed to be thinking about whether or not you're going to die or when it's going to come or anything like that, but you need to be thinking about what you're going to do before that time does show up, and how you're going to do it, and for why?

[259] You know, what is it, how are you finding meaning and fulfillment in life so that when when death comes along and tugs on your shoulder and on your shirt sleeve you're like all right well this is it yeah and those guys people that you've described whether it's musashi or any of those people what what comes out in their words is authenticity because of the fact that they have led these extraordinary lives and they have faced incredible danger they have lived there's there's something about that where you can genuinely learn from those people whereas there's a lot of people that really haven't, but they know that people long for those things, so they try to recreate it.

[260] They try to recreate these quotes or they try to find some words that will inspire you to get going and seize the moment and make the most of the day and go out there and conquer and kick ass and it doesn't mean anything.

[261] It's all persona.

[262] It is attempting to take on, it's presenting the persona of that kind of individual, mainly because they know that deep down, all of us realize that there's weight to those kind of people, you know, and I'm sure Peterson would be like, it's the bloody archetype.

[263] Yeah, it's exactly what we do.

[264] But he's an example as well.

[265] I mean, when he talks about, whatever he's talking about, you know, he's talking about, uh, gulag archipelago or anything, he's talking about it from a place of profound understanding.

[266] And that resonates.

[267] Like when, when he critiques Marxism or he critiques certain philosophies and certain trends that he sees in social social behavior like he's doing it from a place of profound understanding and that's that's why it resonates with people that's why he became so famous so people think somehow or another that he became so famous because there's an angst in a lot of like weak men sure he tapped into that's the typical criticism The surface level, the surface level diagnosis of all these kind of thing are prognosis.

[268] But the thing is, even as much as, you know, to put it in perspective, so I have my own journey dealing with Marxism, Neomarxism, whatever, and how it is, at one point with a part of my life and just making me absolutely miserable from another person.

[269] It was like, why?

[270] Was the person you were dating or something?

[271] Yeah, I was someone I was in a relationship with.

[272] And it was just like, I'm getting assaulted in a way.

[273] No, I'm not trying to say words of violence.

[274] Calm down.

[275] I was just under, I felt like I was under attack all the time for things that I didn't do and things that I, from arguments that I had or accusations.

[276] I'm like, I don't understand why I am being, this is being offloaded on to me at the time.

[277] So I start researching and researching and researching because I truly believe, essentially like, like J .S. Mill says, He who understands only one side of the argument, not the other, understands a little of both.

[278] And so even through all this, I had to come to the fact that as much as if you'd want to take that shallow diagnosis of Peterson, it's the same as if you want to take a shallow diagnosis of Marxism.

[279] These things aren't operating out of complete falsity.

[280] They're not coming out of nowhere.

[281] They're not built upon nothing.

[282] there is truth being said and everything.

[283] They're stemming from truth.

[284] So if you read marks, there is true critiques.

[285] There's true things within it.

[286] Now, where people often go wrong is, you know, they take a seed of truth and they plant a forest of bullshit, right?

[287] So just because you can grow it doesn't mean you're necessarily like, I think a bamboo, right?

[288] So if you put bamboo in a lot of the places, especially in western, especially the Pacific Northwest, or Western America.

[289] It depends on your climate zones.

[290] We're not going to get in all that.

[291] But a lot of strains of bamboo will grow to the point that they just, they can't be stopped.

[292] They will grow through concrete.

[293] They will grow through asphalt.

[294] So if you're going to plant it, you have to plant it in like steel boxes and concrete barriers and things to make sure that the bamboo stays only where it's supposed to be.

[295] Otherwise, it's going to be fucking everywhere and it's going to outcompete and dominate everything else.

[296] Now, planning the bamboo, great idea.

[297] But if it goes nuts and destroys all your native flora, well, fuck, that wasn't so great.

[298] Now, was it?

[299] Right.

[300] You know, great.

[301] I hope you like bamboo because that's all you fucking got now.

[302] Yeah, like there's truth in a lot of those philosophies in terms of they have a point.

[303] Yeah.

[304] But then when you apply a large scale and then you take into account human nature and how humans find ways to blame others for their own shortcoming.

[305] and find ways to juke the system, and then you wind up with a mess.

[306] Well, it's definitely a problem if you take mostly an external look at everything.

[307] It's all outside of me. It's all other things.

[308] It's all these systems.

[309] It's all these other aspects, these external processes, and none of it is me, and none of it is the individual, and none of it is, you know, the small group to the large group, to the, you know, All these things change from every vantage point, from the single person to the small tribe to the larger nation -sized community.

[310] I mean, to think about the logistics it takes to keep some of these systems working and working accurately or as accurately as we can at times, something dumb like, I don't know, just making sure electricity gets to your house.

[311] It's enormous.

[312] Right.

[313] And people completely take that for granted.

[314] A great micro version of what we're talking about is the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, which turned out to be a fucking disaster.

[315] Hitting so close to home, Joe.

[316] I'm from Ballard, yeah.

[317] And, you know, it's so interesting.

[318] It's like, of course it would be on Capitol Hill.

[319] I mean, that was like our little Haydashbury of sorts.

[320] But, you know, I thought Capitol Hill had really jumped the fucking shark a long time ago when I was reading an article about people wanting to be on Capitol Hill so bad that they were willing to live in shared apart shared shared shared living space scenarios where they're sharing bathrooms and kitchens and all this and paying like stupid money for a room and I don't mean a room in a house I mean purpose built habitation scenarios to to do that and I'm just like why the fuck Do you want to live there that bad?

[321] I mean, there's plenty of cool shit there, but there's plenty of cool shit all over Seattle.

[322] What was it about Capitol Hill?

[323] Because I'm not a Seattle guy.

[324] It was just, you know, it was the, it was the gay or LGBT, I guess now, as you would refer to it, epicenter.

[325] There was a lot of, there had some head shop stuff.

[326] It was just sort of a counterculture district, you know.

[327] And I remember as a kid, you know, we'd go up there and go to the weird little stores.

[328] I mean, that would be the place where you want to buy some, like, crystals and all that kind of stuff.

[329] It would be there, but it was a groovy, very densely cultural place and famous for a lot of things.

[330] You know, some things unfortunate like Mia Zapata getting killed behind the Comet Tavern, but also for many, many great things too.

[331] But it would definitely be the place where you would see something like a Chaz pop up.

[332] It's just that the separation from idea to reality was something like a Chaz, and it's always going to be.

[333] this case.

[334] It's always going to be just mountains in between the two.

[335] The funniest part I think for me is watching that altercation video with Raz and his new police stating, we're the police now.

[336] And the guy in being approached for graffitiing a building going, well, you know, what's up with all the guns and all the, why you guys got all these guns?

[337] And this lady who's filming going, Don't worry about us having guns.

[338] Who cares about guns?

[339] Cops carry guns.

[340] Guns are no big deal.

[341] And I'm just like, whoa.

[342] You guys are doing exactly when you're complaining against.

[343] They basically made all the worst aspects of a country.

[344] They put up a border immediately.

[345] They kept people from going, and they had no medical.

[346] They had no police.

[347] Their police was a bunch of thugs.

[348] If something went wrong, they beat people up.

[349] Attacked him, right?

[350] One guy was filming things.

[351] They didn't like him filming.

[352] I remember that.

[353] And they jumped him.

[354] They beat his ass.

[355] Yes.

[356] And there's a picture afterwards of RAS and the guy then embracing each other, which to one side, I'm thinking, see, I fucking told you people, violence isn't the worst thing in the whole world.

[357] Like, you know, to be perfectly honest, violence can bring people a lot closer together than you think.

[358] We've never trained together, but we know what it's like to train.

[359] So there's already this inherent rapport between us.

[360] And then the rapport between you and anybody that gets on the mat is almost sussed out immediately because you just cannot be in a situation like that and be living on persona alone.

[361] You need to really be who you are.

[362] And that might be a really great fighter.

[363] It might be a really mediocre one.

[364] It doesn't really matter.

[365] Everybody is generally towards their purest self when put into that kind of scenario.

[366] It is the Chuck, I can't say his last name.

[367] Palonic.

[368] Yeah.

[369] Palanuck.

[370] He's been on the podcast.

[371] No, he's awesome.

[372] I listen to it.

[373] He's a rad dude.

[374] Palinuck.

[375] Palinac?

[376] Okay.

[377] And he, you know, that line about, you never know who you are until you've been in a fight.

[378] Yeah.

[379] It's true.

[380] You really want to know who you are?

[381] Get into a fight.

[382] But watching that, you know, so the side of me is going to see.

[383] Like perhaps, you know, a little bit of fisticuffs could make things a little better, you know, especially if we're to talk about the law of mutual combat that exists in Washington.

[384] Right, which is very weird.

[385] I think should be national, to be perfectly honest.

[386] The only thing I have with that is that, like, they let people fight out on the street, which you should be aware that if you get caoed, you're going to, you might die.

[387] I know.

[388] I think that should be, that has to be included in such a law.

[389] You have to be like, look, you're taking your life into your own hands.

[390] Like, legitimately.

[391] If you're doing it out in the dirt, you know, you probably do okay.

[392] I know, but we can't nerf the world that much.

[393] We just can't.

[394] It's just not possible.

[395] And as much as we would love to think about the ideal scenario for everything, you know, you can't.

[396] There's always going to be that one, ten, whatever.

[397] It's just not possible.

[398] And so, and then you see Raz and this guy and it's like, oh, it's all good.

[399] But it's just like, well, but what if cops just got to just smack people all the time?

[400] I mean, that's part of the problem with police issues in general, right?

[401] I mean, we can go on about, I've seen, you know, you get the arguments about stats from the FBI and about the shootings and unarmed shootings and all this kind of stuff.

[402] But they don't have stats for how many times has a cop just beat someone's ass?

[403] Right.

[404] They don't have.

[405] They don't have stats.

[406] You know, and it's a lot.

[407] Right.

[408] And, but with the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the saddest thing about all this, even besides, I'll take an argument on this.

[409] Even besides all the fucking property damage and the just tearing everything up and, and obviously, loss of life, right?

[410] There is, there's legitimate loss.

[411] How many people got killed there?

[412] At least two, right?

[413] I think more.

[414] Seven people died?

[415] Seven.

[416] Seven people are dead.

[417] And...

[418] Should we have a drink to those people?

[419] Yeah, we should.

[420] We should absolutely have a drink to those people.

[421] You have your own whiskey.

[422] The War Master Edition.

[423] How many bad motherfuckers have their own whiskey?

[424] Yeah, a few.

[425] A few, but yeah, we can get into my love of whiskey at some point here.

[426] So seven people died?

[427] Seven people died in Chaz, which is obviously awful.

[428] That is crazy.

[429] I didn't know that many.

[430] But what, I guess, where I'm going with this on...

[431] on what I think could possibly be the worst of all of this, people not learning.

[432] People not learning that it's not so easy to put societies together, small or large.

[433] And even that one, it was basically you occupied, you basically did what everybody complains about the founding fathers do.

[434] You took over property and land that was held by other people.

[435] You conquered a space.

[436] Yeah, you conquered a space, yeah.

[437] And you didn't even conquer it for very long.

[438] Salad.

[439] Yeah.

[440] Salad.

[441] Whoa, that's good.

[442] My first warbringer.

[443] Mesquite smoked.

[444] This is good shit, man. It is a gold medal winner at the San Francisco International Spirits Competition.

[445] I always think those people are drunk.

[446] They don't know what it tastes out.

[447] It's like, because I was a judge for high times once for the high times canvas cup.

[448] Yeah, I mean, look, look, I don't know how guys, like I'll see Tony.

[449] I go, how do you, how do you go up there and do this whole fucking shtick?

[450] If you gave me any of that, I'm done.

[451] I can't have a coherent conversation.

[452] I would be unable to actually keep track of what the fuck anybody's talking about.

[453] You get accustomed to it.

[454] I guess.

[455] Yeah, it is.

[456] Marijuana, you build up a tolerance, but there's some rough nights where it doesn't, see, what it is, is, like, for working out material.

[457] What cannabis does is it allows you to have these possibilities.

[458] that you can open these doors or not, but they're there.

[459] Like, if you're high, like, if you've been doing your act and you're doing stand -up four or five nights a week and you're really in the groove, you're honed, and you're not going to get thrown off by some pot, you know what you're talking about.

[460] And especially if you smoke pot a lot.

[461] But what pot does do is it gets you to these places where you might not have gotten before.

[462] Like, you go, who the fuck is judging whiskey?

[463] Like, what are they doing?

[464] Like, and then you'll, like, off the cuff on stage, you'll go into this place that maybe you wouldn't have gone into before and you'll find ideas.

[465] So what I like about it is, is it opens up like a flower.

[466] These, take these ideas and they spread.

[467] Not always, though.

[468] Sure.

[469] You know, it's a risky thing.

[470] You just never know what's going to come with any sort of alteration to your mere mind state.

[471] It also makes stand up a little more dangerous.

[472] so it gets you a little scared, and that is also good because it opens up possibilities and it allows you to stay sharp because you're a little nervous.

[473] Like, if you've been doing, I've been doing stand -up for 31 years.

[474] You know, when I go on stage, it's kind of normal.

[475] Even like last weekend I did the Houston Improv, I hadn't done stand -up in 90 days.

[476] But before I went up on stage, I'd listen to a lot of recordings, I went over my notes, I knew what I was doing, and it was fun.

[477] It was a lot of fun.

[478] It wasn't terrifying.

[479] But if I got really high before it, it would be fucking terrifying.

[480] Dude, the idea of it terrifies a shit out of me. I have material, I got all kinds of shit, but I'm just like, whoa.

[481] That's hilarious.

[482] A guy who's fought as many times as you, afraid to do stand -up.

[483] One of the scariest things I ever did was the first time I ever sang on stage with a band.

[484] And that was this band, Nile, death metal band.

[485] And so I'm friends with them, Carl, you're the man. But I'm sitting in the audience.

[486] I'm there with my, even with my girlfriend at the time.

[487] and we're at the House of Blues in Hollywood and he literally goes hey Josh Barnett's here this that and the other and they put a spotlight on and they go he's going to come out and help us sing black seeds of vengeance and I'm just like oh ha ha ha ha ha ha you know I don't didn't tell you before here no and so I'm just going oh okay you know so at some point yeah by the way people fronting a band with a microphone you have an inordinate amount of power be careful about how you flex it.

[488] So I go backstage.

[489] They come grab me. I'm just waiting and I'm breaking out into a full sweat.

[490] All I can think of is that my throat is going to close up and only squeaks and like weird malice noises are going to come out.

[491] And I'm just going, oh, fuck.

[492] And I get up there and I can't hear myself.

[493] I just, I'm doing my thing.

[494] And I get offstage and like, oh, that's pretty good.

[495] I'm like, I'm just losing my shit.

[496] And he's like, what the?

[497] I go, I have never been more scared in my entire life.

[498] He's like, what the how do you afraid?

[499] of being on stage and just singing when people are trying to kill you, I go, honestly, fighting for my life feels good.

[500] I'm not saying that that is the way most people should have viewed things.

[501] And I'm of the believer that if you enjoy delivering violence, if you really are into it, then you also enjoy when violence is brought to you and the escalation that comes from it, the feeling of, I don't know, I feel like they're in your best mindset.

[502] There's a feeling of power that is derived from it.

[503] Like, it's, uh, I talked to, uh, God, we're going all over the place.

[504] You might think we were already high, but, uh, did you always feel like this, though?

[505] Yes.

[506] Did you feel like that when you first fight?

[507] Yes.

[508] How old were you, we had your first fight?

[509] Uh, like actual just fight or.

[510] Back when you were the baby face assassin.

[511] Oh, my first fight was 19 years old.

[512] I was on winter vacation from, uh, from the University of Montana.

[513] One of my wrestling coaches called me up.

[514] An AMC pancreation was a pro gym that had pro fighters, and they were out there, and I knew of them, but this was 1996, so this shit was still real, like, DIY sort of.

[515] There wasn't really an avenue towards things, and these, I've talked to MMA people now, these, like, you guys don't get it.

[516] You don't know what it was like back then.

[517] And my old wrestling coach, he calls me up, he goes, hey, I know you've been training, I know you're into this.

[518] there's an opening to fight this guy, Chris Charnos, on January, whatever it was.

[519] So it was 11 days.

[520] All right.

[521] I go, oh, Chris Charnos, yeah, fought in Super Bowl.

[522] He's pro, yeah?

[523] Yeah, okay.

[524] When?

[525] All right, 11 days.

[526] I'll be there.

[527] And that's it.

[528] I just went and I trained with an old martial arts coach of mine.

[529] Ran a little bit.

[530] You know, I was already training back in Montana over at Jim Harrison's Bushito con karate, you know, rest in peace, sensei, much love.

[531] But I'm like, well, yeah, cool, I want to fight.

[532] That's it.

[533] I'm standing in line to go through the medicals.

[534] And this other cat, he looks at me, this, his name is also Chris, and he fought on that card.

[535] And he goes, so where do you train, man?

[536] I go, oh, I train over in Montana, but also, you know, trained a bunch in this church basement.

[537] And he just looks at me, he's like, cool later he tells me he goes I thought you were going to die I thought this guy was just going to annihilate you back in the day there were guys that had no business being in there oh for sure yeah and so I get in the ring I fight Chris I choke him unconscious in like two minutes and Matt gets in the ring and he goes hey you know we'd love to have you come back in the summer and fight again I'm like all right I'll be here and that was just it was just a matter of I was so the funny thing is I was ready to get out there and amped to do it.

[538] But even then, when you get started, it felt like my first ever wrestling match to some degree and, like, everything kind of turned into tunnel vision.

[539] And it's a, it's a strange, strange feeling about how everything seems to be going a million miles an hour.

[540] And you watch it back in reverse.

[541] You're like, oh, my God, there was actually a lot of time in between, you know, segment A to segment B. And I do remember my first wrestling match, especially because I fucking head and armed this guy who had already placed, he had placed in the district, so, or the city, whatever in Metro, we call it.

[542] He wrestled for Ingram.

[543] I wish you had to remember his name.

[544] He's a cool cat.

[545] But I threw him with a head and arm, boom.

[546] And as I'm pinning him, I'm screaming.

[547] Ah!

[548] Had you ever screamed before when you were pinning somebody?

[549] It was my first ever wrestling match.

[550] Oh, there you're just like, I get in there and just, huh.

[551] and I throw him and pit him on his back.

[552] And I get the pin.

[553] I'm just like, what the fuck was that?

[554] Everything going AWIR.

[555] Keep your shit together, you know?

[556] That's the crazy thing, right, about life, real life, normal life, and then competition or chaos or, you know, a fist fight.

[557] There's a thing that's like you enter into a world where all of a sudden the sky looks a different color, your hands don't move the right way.

[558] you hesitate, you're thinking too much.

[559] It's weird to watch people enter into that world for the first time.

[560] I think that part of it, I would say, is that we're too disconnected from things associated to that state.

[561] Not just danger, but just that.

[562] Chaos.

[563] Chaos, too.

[564] As I got more and more and more into philosophy, and I'm really heavily into Nietzsche.

[565] In fact, that's actually how I even came across Jordan Peterson to begin with, was I was just looking for lectures on Nietzsche online and this is before any of his his stuff with the pronouns and the bills and stuff and no this was just me listening to his university lectures that's all it was okay so you're OG yeah yeah virile OG have you met him never no he's the nicest guy he once he did or someone from his Twitter reached out to me at one point when his book came out and said hey we'd like to send you a copy and I go yeah sure no problem and it was signed John so I don't know Fuck, that happened.

[566] But I was like, in a way, that's kind of better.

[567] But whatever.

[568] So the guy named John signed it?

[569] I don't know.

[570] No, two John instead of Josh.

[571] Oh, Jesus.

[572] So I don't, fuck, I don't know.

[573] You know, I know how that stuff goes.

[574] But so I'm sitting there.

[575] And as someone being so into Nietzsche, I started to look at it as this is tapping into, like, your highest state of being, so to speak.

[576] So when I'm in the ring, I feel like things that are attached to me from modern and general living are removed.

[577] I feel like it is the most freeing, a live moment in my life.

[578] And as I can look back, even to that wrestling match, even to getting into fist fights as a little kid, like there was always something about me that was drawn to it, not just because I wanted to conquer and crush skulls, but that I literally could not get enough of the feeling of aliveness from it.

[579] And it wasn't just that it was dangerous.

[580] It's beyond that.

[581] It is, I think, more akin to people talking about that no -mind state.

[582] And of course, if you can operate in that state, well, then you might Michael Jordan yourself a night and look amazing.

[583] But even when that isn't the case, if you can center your focus into being in that moment, you can experience a type of being that is at its highest level of human existence.

[584] It's just that it's not something that is, I had to learn is not, you can't be that way all the time and other people can't relate to you when you're in that state.

[585] Like you just, your ability to communicate with your fellow man just isn't really there unless they're also in that state with you.

[586] Right.

[587] Yeah, it's these moments where you're forced to live in the, moment.

[588] You have to.

[589] There's no other way around it.

[590] And everything requires so much attention and so much focus.

[591] Then when you go back to regular life, that's the thing that fighters have a really difficult time with.

[592] And people don't understand why do they keep coming back and don't they know it's over?

[593] Why don't they find other things to do?

[594] Because there's nothing that's going to ring their bell like a fight.

[595] There's nothing like getting up for a fight, knowing that it's around the corner.

[596] The anticipation.

[597] You have to build a way out of fighting, so to speak, I believe, to try and really simplify it.

[598] And remember there was that clip just not that long ago of Mike Tyson talking about no longer being a fighter.

[599] And, you know, he's broken into tears.

[600] Like, I was able to watch it once kind of from afar, so to speak, but I couldn't watch it again.

[601] Like, I'm like, no, no, that's 100%.

[602] Like I'm like, oh, I know this.

[603] way too fucking much.

[604] You're tugging on strings that I don't really want to play with right now that I already know of.

[605] And it's just, yeah, I don't expect that other people are always going to know what that's like and that's okay.

[606] When people say that they don't understand my affinity to violence, I'm like, okay, yeah, sure.

[607] That makes total sense to me. You're capable of it, by the way, all of us are.

[608] Like there, but not everybody's built the same to do the same things, just as much as my way of abstract thinking, if I sit down with Eric Weinstein, he leaves me behind if he takes certain subjects.

[609] I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm just going to be along for the ride because I can't, my brain can't operate on the same level in this fashion that you can.

[610] But you haven't spent time in that realm.

[611] Well, yeah, and maybe I could become competent enough in.

[612] You would have to start all over.

[613] You have to start your life over.

[614] Weinstein talks to me about that stuff, and I'm like, okay, I don't know where you're going with this.

[615] I don't even know what you're saying.

[616] Yeah, but so it was Eric I was talking to because he's always interested for my take on violence and how violence relates to humanity and how it relates to being.

[617] And I listened to his podcast, his podcast with Jocko, and I would say, I mean, it was really great, and I've never met Jocko, but he sounds like.

[618] a really awesome dude.

[619] He's the best.

[620] I'll connect you guys.

[621] I would love to.

[622] But I said to Eric, I go, one of the things I saw that was kind of different here in the way that both me and Jocko seemed to approach this is that he's so very clinical about it, very regimented.

[623] And I understand that because if he's in a military presence, like you can't just have a guy who's, you know, soaking himself in the enemy's blood and running around the battlefield, screaming at the top of his lungs.

[624] That doesn't help anyone, right?

[625] Like, reveling in something like this.

[626] isn't really a necessity in anything, right?

[627] That is, it's besides the point.

[628] Especially in 2020.

[629] If anything, yeah, especially in 2020, when they went after Gurkha soldiers, Nepalese soldiers who were sent on a kill mission to grab some sort of extremist, and they're like, well, we're going to have, we want proof too, so what do they do?

[630] They pull out their cookery and take the dude's head off and bring it back.

[631] And then they went and put that guy on trial for doing his job because we thought oh that's too much too much proof it's it's death and war and violence what is too much you know what I mean I mean what if his head had had gotten cut off and you know stuck on a pike somewhere to be like don't fuck with us I mean the problem is how it appears to people that don't live in that world right yeah that's the problem like if you if if a soldier kills someone and then they say we need proof that you killed that person, they bring back a head.

[632] And you go, hey, you fucked up now.

[633] You brought back his head.

[634] Like, well, what do you want me to do?

[635] Bring back a picture of him dead?

[636] Yeah.

[637] Like, that's not good enough.

[638] You need the head.

[639] Correct, correct.

[640] And also, I guess, to take on a tone that seems to be permeating the general sphere of consciousness in the West, oh, well, who are we to tell Gurkhas that they're not allowed to cut people's heads off?

[641] Right.

[642] That's their culture.

[643] Yeah.

[644] Yeah, don't do this, you know.

[645] They have that crazy night too, right?

[646] Yeah, the cookery, yeah.

[647] Yeah, I own a cookery from cold steel, man, and that thing is one of my prize possessions.

[648] Why do they shape it that way?

[649] I don't know the history of why the blade takes on that shape, but I can say that the shape of the blade, the way it's designed, is one of the greatest chopping devices you will ever come across because of the angle in the blade.

[650] and the way that it widens out towards the tip, it creates this belly of cutting pressure that when you swing that fucker, it just wax right through anything.

[651] Looks pretty dope too.

[652] Oh, that's a Damascus one.

[653] Yeah, mine's old school sandmi three cold steel that has my logo on it.

[654] Thank you, Andy, and Lynn Thompson for that one.

[655] But it is arguably one of the baddest fighting knives ever created.

[656] It's pretty dope.

[657] It will take off pretty much anything.

[658] Very old school.

[659] That's a 19th century.

[660] There's small ones that they make folders.

[661] And Cold Steel has a small one called the Raja 3.

[662] And with that same blade design, they can just whack through a bunch of pork ribs or whatever.

[663] Just take it apart.

[664] And it just boom, just explodes.

[665] It's gone.

[666] It's a weird shape.

[667] But it's physics.

[668] I'm sure Eric could sit down here.

[669] Yeah, I'm sure.

[670] But it's interesting that it was.

[671] was not universally adopted.

[672] Well, it has to do with a lot of different things.

[673] I mean, I'm trying to go back through my military hand -to -hand fighting books and stuff like it.

[674] Think about the samurai blade, like the katana or, you know, that's another one.

[675] Well, it's curve too for being able to cut from horseback.

[676] Sure.

[677] It's a great cutting blade as well.

[678] But it's interesting that that blade was not recreated by other cultures.

[679] Well, similar in Korea, they have a similar blade, too.

[680] And there's more resembles early style blades called Tachis, I believe.

[681] And then the Chinese have the broadsword.

[682] And then, of course, you have.

[683] So they don't have the exact same design.

[684] I'll give you that, you know, with the way that they have designed the shape of the edge itself and the way that they refine their point with that sort of wedged tip.

[685] but scimitars are curved also for their cutting ability and also for when you're on horse if you come by and you swing that curved blade when it starts to make bite as you're continuing to go through it transfers that energy across the blade in such a way that it doesn't tear your arm off your horse.

[686] Imagine there was a YouTube video of every person who ever died by the hand of a sword just from the beginning of time just chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop you'd be like what the fuck that's part of the problem with seeing things on video, right?

[687] Like, you don't see all the life that was lived before that moment where someone was chopped.

[688] You just see the chop.

[689] You don't see the conversations.

[690] You don't see the love.

[691] Think about the UFC.

[692] Guy goes out there, Gal goes out there, fights, loses.

[693] And then when people take up the position that, oh, from this moment on, oh, now they don't matter because it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[694] Right.

[695] That lady just won 30 fights in a row and never lost.

[696] Now she sucks?

[697] Right.

[698] Now she sucks because she lost a fight.

[699] Wow, that's the problem with our culture where people...

[700] It is a culture thing, yes.

[701] People are commenting that have no understanding of what they're commenting on other than the actual act of a knee hitting a chin.

[702] Like all the people that ragged on Ben Ascran from getting knocked out fastest UFC knockout by Jorge Mazzvedal.

[703] Yes.

[704] Dude, that guy endured it.

[705] Today was the one -year anniversary.

[706] So I've been paying attention just comments today.

[707] Just like, God damn it.

[708] You know, Ben likes to be a big mouth of sorts, and he really loves to rile shit up.

[709] But, you know, even the better person, I don't necessarily even mean better than Ben.

[710] I just mean the better person as a general has to look at that which, even if you dislike it.

[711] Like, if you hate the way Ben speaks and what he has to say, but that doesn't take away from what he's done.

[712] I'm sorry, like his body of work stands on its own.

[713] And you can think him a shitty person or God's greatest.

[714] Go back and watch this fight with Douglas Lima, who we were talking about, who is one of the best fighters in the world.

[715] He ragdolled Lima.

[716] He ragdolled Koreshkov.

[717] When he was the Bellator champion, I mean, they had a problem in that his style, no one could defeat him, and it wasn't fun to watch for people who didn't like MMA.

[718] Unfortunately, Ben's finishing capabilities did not grow or did not, it didn't grow to the same level that his wrestling ability was.

[719] But it did when he went to one FC.

[720] It got much better, but...

[721] Because they allowed him to do some shit you couldn't do over in Bellator, like knee a downed opponent in the head.

[722] Sure, but I mean, Ben just should have been subbing guys left and right in Bellator, but he just didn't quite have it.

[723] Now, and my opinion always was, at least from watching it, like, if you're this inventive of a funk wrestler in collegiate wrestling and what have you, international wrestling, I know you could be a literal submission machine.

[724] It had to be just approached, maybe pressure to just get those wins.

[725] I mean, there is an issue with, I think, some of the wrestlers coming in and thinking about the game structure of wrestling and being like, okay, okay, so if I win this five minutes, then I'll give him the next two minutes, and then I'll take three minutes.

[726] They're thinking about how to win a match, Whereas I've never thought like, oh, you know, maybe if I, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm like, I'm going to kill him.

[727] And if someone doesn't come in to stop me, I'm just going to keep, like, fuck it, you know.

[728] And if maybe his corner jumps in, then I'm going to kill him and then I'm going to just, you know, it's just like, I don't have any friends when I'm in the ring.

[729] The only people I have are the people that have my back that are in my corner and that's it.

[730] Everybody else is the enemy if they decide to get in front of me. And that's a difference between a fighter's mentality and someone who's trying to win a match.

[731] Correct.

[732] And Ben Ascran is awesome at.

[733] He was, he's, he's been awesome at MMA.

[734] He was an awesome wrestler.

[735] It's undisputable.

[736] Another thing to take me into consideration for people who are Ben Askin haters.

[737] Ben Asker needs a hip replacement and he's needing one for a while.

[738] And his hip was pretty fucked up over the last year and a half of his career.

[739] And, uh, I mean, I think he's talking about it now, but he definitely talked about it to me. It's fucked.

[740] I have no doubt.

[741] A lot of these wrestlers, Coleman, Mark Coleman got a hip replacement.

[742] John Wayne Parr just got a hip replacement.

[743] placement.

[744] It's all over his Instagram.

[745] He went and elected, I guess, to get what the shaved.

[746] Yeah, which obviously as technique gets better.

[747] One of my friends, someone, you might even used to roll of, Victor Webster.

[748] Yeah.

[749] He got discs replaced in his back.

[750] And now he's back on the mats.

[751] Yeah, Eddie Bravo got the same thing.

[752] Exactly.

[753] He trains with Eddie.

[754] Yeah, it's fantastic.

[755] He got a titanium, this articulating titanium disc instead of getting his back fused.

[756] And Victor goes, I've never felt better.

[757] That's amazing.

[758] Eddie still has pain in his.

[759] Nothing's a hundred percent.

[760] But I think Eddie fucked his backup so bad before he got it fixed.

[761] Could be.

[762] Like he was all the edge of the bone itself was getting, you know how it frays out and you develop this extra bone?

[763] Because your body's trying to fuse it itself.

[764] Your body's trying to figure out what to do with all this inflammation.

[765] You know, that was a thing about Pat Militich.

[766] Pat Militich didn't get his neck fused, but it fused itself.

[767] That's insane.

[768] but that body will do what it needs to do.

[769] The body will do anything it needs to to keep going.

[770] Yes, well, people actually reported that Pat Milich had neck surgery.

[771] So Pat Milich had to spend all this money to get these MRIs done in x -rays to show, no, no, no, didn't get any neck surgery because they were saying to some, but like, why are you disliked that?

[772] They fucking fuse together from combat.

[773] Yeah.

[774] Just the, and, you know, he's got a lot of atrophy in one of his arms, like Boss Routen has.

[775] Yeah, Benji Radick had a problem with that at one point, too.

[776] And luckily he was able to get it sorted out Yeah, boss's right arm is obviously not It's best anymore And that's, you know, fucking around with the spine Damaged around the spine is something That we really need to be super aware of But at the same time Some things are just, it's unavoidable It may happen and may not You always, from the beginning of your career You have always had a love for catch wrestling and catch wrestling particularly the Carl Gotts school of catch wrestling was very conditioning heavy Yes very strength and conditioning heavy I mean he was a big proponent of clubs Yes maces I swing the mace and someone was asking me about you know do I have weights at my house I go I have a 22 pound uh uh mace uh at my house and people like 22 pounds bro I'm squatting 450 yeah they they would think that that's not a good workout tool it sounds like, oh yeah, well, what's up with this thing?

[777] And I'll tell people like, no, do not try to swing this thing.

[778] You're probably going to blow your elbows out if you don't know what you're doing.

[779] Isn't that funny?

[780] 22 pounds.

[781] They're like, get out of here with that.

[782] If you go look up Yucco Miato, there's videos of him swinging clubs and he's probably 60 something now, and he can still pick up a couple clubs and just start mealing the shit out of him.

[783] Remember the Iron Sheik?

[784] Yes.

[785] Deep into his career, those big ass wooden clubs.

[786] There's a video where Iron Sheik was doing callouts at some event, right?

[787] It was a promo thing.

[788] Hey, you know, whoever the biggest, strongest guys are in here, come in here, see if you can swing these clubs like me. And one of the guys that comes up there is the Ultimate Warrior.

[789] And he can't, and he couldn't fucking swing them.

[790] No, man, that's a very specific kind of strength that you have to develop.

[791] Yes, and it's a strength coordination, the ability to move through all the planes of movement.

[792] In fact, I did a whole ton of club and may swinging in preparation to fight Frank mirror.

[793] Look at this.

[794] This is precious Paul.

[795] And look at precious Paul.

[796] That guy's a gorilla, too.

[797] Yeah.

[798] The size of this motherfucker.

[799] He can do that, but he's not swinging them.

[800] You know what I mean?

[801] He's just letting him go back and forth.

[802] Yeah, the swinging, the shield cast is where it gets different.

[803] Yes.

[804] Yeah, it's much easier to do to sit there and just go back and forth.

[805] Yeah, and he's like, ah, too, down with America.

[806] Yeah.

[807] And he's a guy who's really hurt.

[808] I look at the ref who's like, Jesus, man, don't get bashed on this.

[809] Yeah, see the difference between the way he's doing it, that's that shield cast motion.

[810] That's a very difficult motion.

[811] Yeah, if you're into a club and mace swinging, there's two people that I highly recommend.

[812] One is Jake Shannon.

[813] The other one is Greg Walsh.

[814] Those two guys are, I mean, mace swinging and club swinging are, especially mace swinging for Greg, are part and parcel to the entire, like a foundational aspect of their training stuff.

[815] Yeah.

[816] Yeah.

[817] So, and they're, you know, Jake's a catch guy.

[818] Greg's a physical fitness conditioning guy.

[819] So, but I, I think the mace is a fantastic tool for building great strength.

[820] And it's all, it's wrestling related.

[821] It's warrior related.

[822] Didn't Carl have some crazy requirements that you had to achieve physically before you were able to train with him?

[823] Yes.

[824] And part of that was also to just keep idiots away.

[825] Yeah.

[826] I was just to keep the dummies away.

[827] Because Carl was such an irascible dude.

[828] But I, meeting Carl.

[829] and getting to train a little bit under Carl made me feel like I met someone who may have been related to me in some way.

[830] I felt like this guy was somehow part of my family, but I didn't know it for so long.

[831] And yet I come from part of that lineage especially.

[832] And we're sitting there, and these Japanese reporters have set this whole thing up.

[833] And they're like, here, we're going to have Carl watch you fighting Minotaro.

[834] All right.

[835] And get his opinions.

[836] And I'm just like, oh, God, all right.

[837] So Carl's watching this thing, and he's just, I can see, he's just, he's making comments, he's tearing into it, and he's being highly critical.

[838] He'd say something.

[839] He'd look at me. He'd smile a little bit.

[840] He'd say something.

[841] And then we're all said and done.

[842] And the Japanese reporters just like, oh, you know, they're just losing their shit.

[843] They're just like, oh, this is not what we expected to happen.

[844] There's like, oh, what's going to, how is this going to fall apart?

[845] Like, this Carl just tore this guy, a whole new one over this.

[846] and Carl looks at me and he goes What I say is that piss you off I looked at him and I went I don't care all I want all that's important to me is to try and understand what it is from how you see it and see what I can do to take that and be better and to take your criticism and your eyes and your experience and the way you see it so that I can use it to make myself a better fighter and he looked at me and he just started showing me stuff and he would call me and give me workouts and see how I'm doing.

[847] And I honestly not being able to spend more time with Carl and even to an extension, you know, Billy Robinson, even though I got to train under him for years and years and years in Japan, there was never enough time.

[848] And Billy Robinson was the guy who worked with Sakaraba, right?

[849] Billy Robinson worked with Sakaraba and all the UWFI fighters.

[850] And Carl started with New Japan Pro Wrestling, Antonio Okie brought him in there to be their head trainer.

[851] and he's the one that prepped Anoki for Ali.

[852] You can see some of Ali's camp getting real rambunctious, and Carl just laughing, smiling, even though he knows that Inoki's been just handicapped, like, oh, you can't throw them, you can't put submissions on them, you can't do this, you can't do that.

[853] But it's crazy that they allow leg kicks.

[854] They didn't think about it.

[855] That's so funny.

[856] They had no idea.

[857] And the way he did it, too, from his back and from his side?

[858] Great story.

[859] I'm with Victor West.

[860] and we're hanging out and he's friends with Kenisha Norton who is an absolute sweetheart and so Ken Norton's daughter so we're hanging out at this coffee shop and Kenesha comes by with her friend so me and Victor are there and we're talking I'm wearing this t -shirt and it's it's got anoki on or it's yeah it's got anoki on the shirt and one of the friend that comes with Kenesha goes that's an interesting shirt I'm like yeah I go yeah that guy put my dad in the hospital.

[861] It was one of Ali's daughters.

[862] Whoa.

[863] From those leg kicks.

[864] I'm all...

[865] What, serendipity?

[866] I don't remember.

[867] I only met her the one time.

[868] But I know it wasn't Layla, obviously, because she's obviously out in the public all the time, but Aaron, I should say, in the public spotlight.

[869] But I was just like, oh.

[870] Yeah, those leg kicks were horrible.

[871] Yes.

[872] Yes, that did happen.

[873] Yeah.

[874] And I'm like, actually, and Okie is one of my, my men.

[875] mentors.

[876] He helped train me in professional wrestling and was part of the reason why I was in New Japan Pro Wrestling.

[877] It's just such a crazy moment that they decided to actually do that match.

[878] Or Ali is there with boxing gloves on and Anoki is kicking him in the legs.

[879] Like, what the fuck then?

[880] Ali was the champ then or no?

[881] I don't know.

[882] I don't know if he was a champ at that point.

[883] I'm trying to remember where he was in his career.

[884] Like, what year was that?

[885] It was in the 70s.

[886] I'm pretty sure about that.

[887] Gene LaBelle was the ref. Wow.

[888] It's some wild stuff.

[889] But, you know, interesting enough, that was of an era where boxing still knew how dangerous wrestling was.

[890] Because boxing and wrestling used to be really interconnected to itself and to each other.

[891] And it wasn't actually until the Marquis de Queensberry rules where they started, they got rid of kind of make it up as you go.

[892] I mean, there used to be ballots of pugilism and back in England and whatever were, okay.

[893] well, yeah, you can headbut.

[894] You can do that.

[895] You can do whatever.

[896] And so they finally set up some sort of structure of rules.

[897] And then eventually, you know, gloves and other things came into play.

[898] But even you can go read things of...

[899] 76.

[900] Oh, he was the reigning WBCWBA heavyweight boxing champion.

[901] Wow.

[902] That's crazy.

[903] That's wild.

[904] Now, here's the thing.

[905] If Inoki would have been allowed to use submissions and all this kind of stuff.

[906] Oh, it's been over.

[907] The match would have been done.

[908] He did his legs 107 times.

[909] Oh, my God.

[910] Yep.

[911] Wow.

[912] And here's the other thing.

[913] If Inoki didn't, if he had worn gloves, then he could have punched.

[914] But what's the point of trying to box with Ali?

[915] You know, there's no. Well, it's amazing that Ali absorbed all those leg kicks.

[916] Do you remember when cool Vince Phillips fought Masato?

[917] Oh, yes.

[918] Yeah.

[919] That was a time where a guy who was pretty close to the top of his game, Vince was like sliding a little bit Yeah, but he was still up there Pretty close to the top of his game fought Masato and Masato just lit his fucking legs up So Stitch was my, he used to wrap my hands Do my cuts for all my pride stuff, everything So I brought Stitch with me from the UFC And Stitch goes, yeah He talked to Vince, he said, don't do this You should not be in the ring with this guy You're a tough dude But this is a different story because Stitchy train Muay Thai and Thailand and all kinds of stuff.

[920] So he's like, don't.

[921] And Vince got his fucking femur cracked.

[922] Oh, my God.

[923] Did he really?

[924] Yes.

[925] Holy shit.

[926] Yes.

[927] From a leg kick?

[928] Yes.

[929] Or, you know, many leg kicks.

[930] At that time, Masato was the top of the food chain, though.

[931] Masato was not, he was in its prime.

[932] Yeah, it's like, oh, well, he's not winning the K -1 Max.

[933] Yeah, but he's losing, like, Bokkow and Andy Sauer.

[934] Yeah, I mean, that was a sharp thing.

[935] Killers, man. Killers.

[936] That was a crazy time for that weight class.

[937] That's those sized guys.

[938] There were so many murderers.

[939] I mean, that was Ramon Decker's.

[940] That was those days.

[941] God, that was a crazy time.

[942] What an amazing thing to see such high -level artistry.

[943] Consistently, man. Yeah.

[944] Yeah, people don't understand like what K -1 had done.

[945] Unfortunately, I heard that glory's going bang.

[946] Yeah, I heard that too.

[947] I mean, it's just so hard to keep any of this shit going right.

[948] Not right now.

[949] Everything's fucked.

[950] With COVID, everything's fucked.

[951] That's such a bummer, though, man. I am such a huge fan of high -level kickboxing.

[952] And Muay, like, you know, lion fights.

[953] I was always like, why are people not watching this?

[954] I mean, what do they have to do?

[955] It's just everybody talks about the UFC and MMA, like the people that don't like grappling, like, oh, I hate it when they go to the ground.

[956] Yeah.

[957] I got a solution for you.

[958] This shit never goes to the ground.

[959] How about this?

[960] Watch these guys.

[961] But for whatever reason, it never.

[962] caught on.

[963] I don't understand.

[964] I'll at least put some blame on the UFC for even creating an audience that was like, I don't know, look at like when they go to the ground.

[965] Because look at like the first, I don't know, Zipha takes over.

[966] How long have they been in charge now?

[967] I don't know.

[968] 2001.

[969] So for probably the first 10 years of UFC, the highlight stuff around every event, around every promotional opportunity around UFC.

[970] What is it?

[971] Knockouts.

[972] Knockouts.

[973] Knockouts.

[974] knockouts.

[975] Everybody's getting primed to watch for knockouts.

[976] And yet, people are going to the ground and getting choked.

[977] People are going to ground and getting armed barred.

[978] What are you telling him to like?

[979] I think people were okay with people getting armed barred and choked.

[980] What they didn't like is like Ben Ascgren beating Karshkoff, those kind of fights.

[981] Yeah, I mean, that's a bit later, longer in the tooth, but also MMA.

[982] Certain later.

[983] Like everything eventually goes towards what is incentivized and how you can game it.

[984] Right.

[985] System is, I mean, for me, the way I look at it in a MAI, I go five -minute rounds, no, they don't belong, it gets too short anymore.

[986] Like everybody's too good of an athlete.

[987] They know how to game the system to go out round by round scoring.

[988] No, you got to get rid of that.

[989] You got to get rid of the five -minute round.

[990] You got to go at least probably six, maybe 10.

[991] Don't you think there's also a problem in incentivizing people to just win because you have a win bonus.

[992] That win bonus, I do not like.

[993] I have said this from the beginning.

[994] I just don't think it's fair.

[995] First of all, if you're going to do a win bonus, you need to do something about the judging.

[996] Yes, 100%.

[997] You need to have a better scoring system and you need to get rid of incompetence.

[998] And then when you go to other states, you need to take control the situation.

[999] And accountability to the scoring too.

[1000] In other states, it's dire.

[1001] And I don't want to name states, but there's been states that we do fights where I'm just going, who watched that fight?

[1002] Yeah, I hear How was this even possible?

[1003] People just get fucking robbed.

[1004] Yes.

[1005] So if you have win bonuses and, you know, if a guy comes in and he's getting 50 and then if he wins, he gets another 50, you stole $50 ,000 from that guy by giving him incompetent judging.

[1006] Yes.

[1007] And I don't, if you're a fighter, you've got to do your best to win.

[1008] If that means take a guy down and hump him and throw enough punches to keep the referee from standing up, that's $50 ,000 for you.

[1009] Now add in.

[1010] Oh, yeah.

[1011] By the way, you lose.

[1012] We can just cut your contract.

[1013] Yep.

[1014] Yep, yep, and then you have to start from scratch.

[1015] Yep, yeah, it's crazy.

[1016] That doesn't, you know, that doesn't help anybody, really.

[1017] And I would say a better system would be to have a win bonus and a finish bonus.

[1018] And the finish bonus be double the win bonus, let's say.

[1019] I think no win bonus.

[1020] Or at least a finish bonus sounds great.

[1021] Finish bonus sounds great.

[1022] That's just going to entice people to fight harder.

[1023] Of course.

[1024] I want a fighter to know that if you're going to get X amount of dollars, this is what you're getting for that fight.

[1025] It's not you're going to get half that because the judges are.

[1026] they're idiots.

[1027] Correct.

[1028] Yeah, no, I feel you there, and that's a lot of ways, the UFC style of pricing, which seems to be kind of the general model for MMA, is that, yeah, you get, you get five bucks to fight and five bucks to win for a guy that you might have paid him $8 to just fight.

[1029] Yeah, you know, so there's where, and I understand the concept of a win bonus is incentivizing, but it only incentivizes to win.

[1030] It doesn't incentivize the finish.

[1031] And if the The argument is...

[1032] It incentivizes those guys.

[1033] At the top level, I mean, guys are trying to fucking...

[1034] Have you ever not tried to win?

[1035] No, no, but I'm not that...

[1036] I know people who tried to win...

[1037] Who just...

[1038] I've been in fights with guys who are out there trying to just win the cards against me. I've been in there with guys...

[1039] Win the cards against you?

[1040] Well, I mean, just like, oh, I need to win these rounds.

[1041] You know, I...

[1042] Right.

[1043] If I can't...

[1044] Oh, this guy seems like he's too tough to take out.

[1045] Fuck that.

[1046] Right.

[1047] Just win the fight.

[1048] and I see it all the time I deal with it with my own fighters I go you need to make sure that you really put a hurt on this person and make them want to call for God because otherwise if they get a chance they're just going to try and get in control ride this shit out like whoa boy that was dangerous glad I made it through that okay cool great man that's not what anybody paid to go and see and I thought we came here to see who could win who could finish a fight I think finish a fight yes I think finish bonuses is not a bad idea but I think it should be a bonus, not like half of your fucking purse.

[1049] I agree.

[1050] It would be better if people, well, you pair that together with, say, more dedicated contracts.

[1051] So if I'm running a company, I'm gonna, if I hire somebody, if I put them on a long -term exclusive deal, I do it because I believe in them.

[1052] Now, there may be ups and downs and what have you, and I could make a mistake, and I'll just have to take that.

[1053] But I want this individual to be able to go out there and give me absolutely everything they have and know that they're not going to be punished if they fall short.

[1054] And so I'm going to pay them appropriately.

[1055] Now, on the flip side of things, if I'm running something as big as the UFC, I'm going to just have a lot of one -off deals on the lower levels until I see that person that I think, I'm going to invest in this person.

[1056] And that's a thing.

[1057] There's skin in the game in that investment and they're skin in the game for them.

[1058] And that's where you get you're going to get the best responses out of people.

[1059] And that's where you're going to get their best efforts and their best energies.

[1060] And sometimes you're going to be wrong, but sometimes isn't all the time.

[1061] I'll take the exception to the rule as long as the rule is giving me what I need.

[1062] Yeah, I would at least like to see someone come along with an alternative take on how fighters are paid.

[1063] And we haven't really seen that.

[1064] Well, look, man, if someone wants to put me in a position to do that, I'll do it.

[1065] but nobody wants to.

[1066] At the same time, nobody wants to create their proper accountability structure for judging either or for, you know, even for some of these these athletic commission apparatus for all these things.

[1067] And which is, you know, when you talk about Chaz and all these things and about universality, everybody, whether they're voting left, right, middle, doesn't matter, right?

[1068] Everybody, however, they fall on any side of any of this shit.

[1069] everybody knows and I think that part of this this big protest slash riot at time slash what have you is that everyone knows that the state a lot of these state and these bureaucratic structures are unaccountable they're not being held accountable and the ability to affect them to make them accountable is also minimal if at all if potentially impossible and then on top of that what is the what is the thing that you see as the apparatus that you interact with and interacts with you the most and directly the police so but what how do you relate that to athletic commissions athletic commissions are in charge of how judges get trained how people get licensed how events are run how so all this stuff so if they fuck up or if these judges do a bad job or the referee is incompetent.

[1070] Someone has to be accountable, right?

[1071] They're filtered.

[1072] They're never accounted.

[1073] Right.

[1074] They're hardly ever made to be accountable.

[1075] That is a good analogy then, right?

[1076] Because what you're seeing with the justice system, when you see, when people who live in the hood see police brutality over and over and over again and nothing ever happens, and then finally, the world pays attention.

[1077] And it's really interesting how there's been many George Floyd's, right?

[1078] Yes.

[1079] There's been many situations.

[1080] I mean, even the Eric Garner case in New York, which is equally egregious in terms of like what the actual crime was.

[1081] It was nothing.

[1082] Like George Floyd was nothing.

[1083] You know, at worst, give him a ticket.

[1084] Right.

[1085] If you have to.

[1086] Or you know what, maybe try having a conversation with him and just saying like, dude, come on.

[1087] Well, the George Floyd one too is like a fucking fake $20 bill gets you in a cage.

[1088] And I realize that a counterfeit bill is a feminist.

[1089] Melanie, whatever.

[1090] How are you going to prove that the guy did it?

[1091] I don't know.

[1092] You know, how you prove that he deliberately...

[1093] Yeah.

[1094] I mean, there are counterfeit bills in circulation that nobody knows about.

[1095] Somebody gave me a counterfeit 100 once.

[1096] See?

[1097] And I mean, I didn't...

[1098] I was looking.

[1099] I was like, this seems fucking weird.

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] And then I don't remember how I figured out that it was an actual counterfeit 100.

[1102] I don't remember.

[1103] It was quite a while ago, like more than 10 years ago.

[1104] But I remember looking at it, like, it feels off.

[1105] But they can get pretty goddamn close.

[1106] It's true.

[1107] And if you're not paying it.

[1108] attention, and wasn't George Floyd on drugs?

[1109] Yes.

[1110] I mean, they said he was high.

[1111] They say he was on potentially a variety of drugs, you know.

[1112] So how the fuck is he going to pay attention to whether or not a bill is legit?

[1113] I don't know.

[1114] If you whacked out.

[1115] You know, it's been really interesting to me to see people come out and try to, I don't know if they're necessarily trying to justify, but they're definitely taking the side of trying to demonize George.

[1116] And I'm like, because of his previous stuff about like the home invasion with the, pointing a gun at a pregnant woman's belly or he's on drugs and what have you and I go you know what whether you you don't even realize this but you just made the greatest argument for why he shouldn't be dead because whether you've done something terrible or you've been the best person ever you need to get the same amount of justice as anybody else equal treatment and equal treatment that you need to be if you if you have to be put into cuffs or anything like that if you have to be brought in whether you did xyz or you did you know the nicest thing ever and you just had this one slip up that was real it's it has to be the same across the board that is the great argument that why uh police have to be held far more accountable than your average citizenry and that means not to just land a bunch of shit on top of their head and like live up to this you know dumb fuck no it's why you need to prepare them and help them and foster them to be able to be capable.

[1117] Like, who's ever going to be capable of doing anything if you don't give them the right support?

[1118] I can't send in some amateur just started whatever fighter to go out there and fight Ben Ascran.

[1119] That's never going to, I'm just going to get them murdered.

[1120] Like, they're not capable.

[1121] But I, you know, over time, maybe I can get them to the position and maybe they'll never be capable of being able to fight a Ben Ascran.

[1122] Or maybe they're not capable of being a police officer, but also maybe they're not capable of being a lot of things, but there is something that they are capable for.

[1123] But when that leaves the realm of my responsibility, then that's a different story.

[1124] Well, when Jocko was on the podcast, and obviously Jocko has a deep level experience at training people in war, I mean, and training Navy SEALs, training the elite of the elite.

[1125] And he said they should be doing 20 % of all their time on the job training.

[1126] 20%.

[1127] I agree.

[1128] He goes, they train for a few hours when they first get the job.

[1129] And then the rest of their life is just doing the job.

[1130] Yes.

[1131] He's like, that's crazy.

[1132] It is crazy.

[1133] There should be de -escalation training.

[1134] There should be psychological training, coaching.

[1135] You should be able to figure out how to handle a situation.

[1136] And when you see someone who's abusing someone, like the other cops that were around.

[1137] Step in.

[1138] Do something.

[1139] Step in.

[1140] You know, if a cop needs to put knees on necks for seven minutes on anyone, you're competent.

[1141] And the thing is, it's not as if I can't understand and be sympathetic for how difficult a job that must be.

[1142] Right.

[1143] But there is no way to have a rule of law society and proxy out your violence to another apparatus instead of you doing it yourself without that apparatus fighting handicapped all the time.

[1144] It's just the way it has to be.

[1145] You know, the dude that freaked out at the, he was getting arrested and he was drunk at his car and what have you.

[1146] And then he finds out he's going to, he's actually going to go be taken in for this DUI.

[1147] Like, oh shit, steal the taser and what, okay, I get all that.

[1148] But as soon as he, you fucked up and he got away and his backsteed, can't shoot him.

[1149] Sorry, you just can't shoot him.

[1150] Well, I think their point is that he was shooting the taser while he was turned around.

[1151] And when they shot him, he was pointing the taser at them.

[1152] Yeah.

[1153] And that's why you're shooting him in the back.

[1154] I get it.

[1155] And but it was, what, two cops?

[1156] How many cops are there?

[1157] I believe there was two cops.

[1158] I don't know.

[1159] You got a partner.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] Sorry, you got to trust him.

[1162] Don't blast this dude in the back.

[1163] Even when he shoots his fucking, the taser that he stole off you.

[1164] Eventually, you got his car.

[1165] You know who the fuck he is?

[1166] You'll just have to show up and be like, man, I know this is real bad.

[1167] And I'm sorry that it's real bad.

[1168] And I'm sure you never intended it to be this real bad.

[1169] But we got to do something.

[1170] Someone had a real good point that you shouldn't call the police for something like that in the first place.

[1171] Because the person is drunk and they're asleep in their car.

[1172] And there should be someone you didn't call.

[1173] call that where that person knows they're not going to get arrested.

[1174] Someone said, listen, man, we're going to get you in Uber.

[1175] We're good.

[1176] You're all right.

[1177] That's another part of this whole thing.

[1178] And this falls into all of this stuff.

[1179] We're constantly calling on the police to do fucking everything.

[1180] No one wants to just be responsible for their own life.

[1181] They don't want to take the agency of protecting their own things, standing up, being who they, being their own agent in the world.

[1182] They always want like, oh, shit, something happens.

[1183] Call this person.

[1184] that person always you got a problem with someone at work sit down have a conversation with them no no fuck that call HR call this sue this person it's always everybody wants to to met out their responsibilities to something else well the system is structured that way I mean if you were in an office and you have a dispute with someone and you sit down and want to talk to them person to person you're putting yourself in a handicap if you have a real dispute with a person like say if someone did something to you that you found questionable or against the rule like you have you're incentivized to contact HR yeah they really push that you're right you're right Joe and and that is that's bureaucracy for you bureaucracy will always grow don't get a job that's what I said to people yeah someone needs to do those jobs but it shouldn't be you yeah well get out of there I'm not in the nine to five for a good reason I've worked in environments of that nature with HRs and all that kind of stuff working in tech and doing other things and I've I've done sales.

[1185] I've done menial stuff.

[1186] You're not structured for that.

[1187] No, I'm not.

[1188] I had a real, I had some struggles with it.

[1189] I really did.

[1190] Most people aren't.

[1191] I mean, you neuter a person when you make them work in those environments, man or woman.

[1192] It's not natural.

[1193] No, it's not natural.

[1194] It's not natural to, like, it's, I mean, cooperative ventures are fantastic as long as the cooperation is mutually beneficial and natural.

[1195] Correct.

[1196] Like, if you have two good friends and you're like, hey, man, let's start a fucking motorcycle company together.

[1197] Let's make motorcycles.

[1198] And you're like, yay, let's do it.

[1199] And then you're doing it together, and you're enjoying it.

[1200] And you, you know, there's problems, but you enjoy communicating and working together.

[1201] If you're a person you want to make a living, you have to join a cooperative venture that, you know, you're in an office with people that you might not ever hang out with in real life.

[1202] And then when you get in coffee, some creepy fuck says some weird shit about your ass.

[1203] And you're like, God damn it.

[1204] And you're a woman.

[1205] You have to deal with this, like, you're walking out to your car and he's asking you to.

[1206] go to dinner with them or something you're like this is bullshit this is not what I signed up for right I just want to make a living like I get it from all points of view but at the same time you would like to be able to think that if you can just go and say hey I'm not interested I would like that but if I was a woman I would never believe that guys are disgusting guys are pretty disgusting there's so many weak guys there's so many weak guys that would when a woman well like I was reading this thing about the Unabomber about one of the things that happened with the Unabomber when with his brother, the brother had, he had to chastise the Unabomber because the Unabomber, when Ted Kaczynski he had this issue with a woman where he was interested in her and she wasn't interested in him.

[1207] And when she wasn't interested in him anymore, he started leaving all these fucked up notes for her and saying horrible shit to her and the brother had it like, like that's real with men.

[1208] And for a woman, that shit's scary.

[1209] See, like, for a man it's scary.

[1210] Like, oh, this bitch is going to slash my tie.

[1211] or she's going to say I raped her.

[1212] She's going to make up a story about me. I can get fired.

[1213] I can get arrested.

[1214] That's scary for men, right?

[1215] Yeah.

[1216] But for a woman, they have to worry about their actual life.

[1217] It's another level of scary.

[1218] Men are more, Peterson's already laid this out.

[1219] Men, men are more agents of physical violence and action than women are.

[1220] Women are more character assassination.

[1221] Spionage.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] Which completely makes sense.

[1224] But, you know, now you shove them in this environment.

[1225] together and they say like now don't allow anything to go sideways right you know it's hard enough for men and women to try and figure out how to interact with each other in a space to even get in each other's pants to create anything of value i mean it's just not easy right and then you have office like people actually do wind up dating yes which is fucking crazy i mean it's it's really typical though right so it's like uh you're working together all day or look at gyms oh yeah Jesus Christ Yeah.

[1226] Oh my God.

[1227] Yeah.

[1228] And then you're also dealing with like emotionally damaged people for the most part.

[1229] I mean, half of the people that are fighters are fucked up.

[1230] Like the fighters are an interesting.

[1231] And they keep it together through fighting and through, I mean, it's not like they chose to be fucked up.

[1232] A lot of them are fucked up through physical and sexual abuse.

[1233] And that's what led them to fighting in the first place to try to exercise some of those demons.

[1234] And then you have them involved in relationships with each other and they're training together.

[1235] And then there's other guys around, and then there's other girls around, and then it's fucking madness.

[1236] There was some studies or there was at least something about how people were getting really into doing yoga, and now all of a sudden, all these people in yoga studios are fucking each other like mad.

[1237] Oh, yeah.

[1238] And so, and they're like, well, what's happening is these people are getting into better shape, their testosterone's going up, all these different things are happening.

[1239] And I'm like, to me, I just thought, oh, so you started being more towards a more natural state of being, you know, being physical, being active, being, now I understand that this is in a very controlled procedural environment.

[1240] It's not like you're running around trying to get an elk because if you don't, your tribe's going to die.

[1241] But people need to be active.

[1242] They just need to.

[1243] Also, in yoga, it's very sexual.

[1244] I mean, there is a big sexual aspect to yoga.

[1245] There are some sex -related.

[1246] And then there's, yeah, you get those tights that are made to, like, lift and separate the butt cheeks and all this stuff.

[1247] And besides that, there's just an intimacy in the fact that you're struggling together.

[1248] Like, you've overcome this thing together.

[1249] Exactly.

[1250] And then you want to go out to lunch.

[1251] I look at that with martial arts training too.

[1252] You guys are struggling together.

[1253] You're overcoming together.

[1254] You're both facing adversity, the same adversity and dealing with it.

[1255] own ways.

[1256] And that creates camaraderie.

[1257] It really does.

[1258] And it can create an intense rapport, but that doesn't necessarily mean even that that can be sufficient or that that relationship can then go towards something more long -term and firm, right?

[1259] Which, you know, we, we're so great at lying to ourselves and fooling ourselves all the time, like, oh, I'm so intense with this person and, you know, oh, we hooked up and this and that and then you start getting together and then it's it's a shit show you know because you thought that just because you guys had this one metric at which you guys were both very intense that that would cover for everything else and it's like well no that's not how relationships are built and that's how humans have a lot of fucking things that need to be checked a lot of boxes hey there's a great website or a great YouTube that I send all of my friends and all of my fighters for sure called the Academy of Ideas.

[1260] And this dude has these awesome lectures on all kinds of things dealing with life and current climate stuff and all these different things, but all dealing, taking pieces and building these lectures around philosophers and throughout historical, historically correct lens, or not historically correct, but going through papers and pieces by all these people throughout time and it's it's been uh really you know things like that i mean we we need or things to help us with orientation in such an absurd world and we take for granted that things are just microphones and cameras and i don't know how many tens of people are going to watch this because i'm on the show but uh you know uh like i i have this whiskey right i i love the shit out of it, but I'm not making a whiskey to be a celebrity with a product, you know.

[1261] Otherwise, I'd have vodka because that's just a who gives a shit and quality thing.

[1262] Is it vodka the move?

[1263] Vodka's always the move because it's bullshit.

[1264] Because vodka's just supposed to be odorless, tasteless, grain, neutral grain alcohol.

[1265] That's a good point.

[1266] And so you want to make your stupid vodka so you can be at bottle service and idiots are like, I'm going to buy this vodka.

[1267] It's like, I could get vodka for $14.

[1268] It's just as good as that.

[1269] Like, who gives a fuck?

[1270] I. Well, you could take vodka that's cheap and put it through a bunch of filters.

[1271] They put them through water filters, and apparently you can make it taste really good.

[1272] Look, unless...

[1273] Shout out to all the shysters.

[1274] Unless it's, depending on whether it's made from wheat or potato or tritakeo, whatever, right?

[1275] Like the grain base maybe might influence some of it.

[1276] But the standard definition for making vodka in the United States is odorless, tasteless, distilled at...

[1277] over 100, up to 180 proof.

[1278] I mean, come on, you're not going to get that much different.

[1279] The only way that you could really fuck that up is if you really don't care about the process of fermentation that much, you're just trying to get the product through, and you're not that concerned with the source of ingredients.

[1280] So what is it?

[1281] It's like a name brand thing where people really get into like Tito's or something like that.

[1282] Yeah, well, you know, if you hear about the name.

[1283] I would say research René Girard and Mimetic Desire for that kind of thing.

[1284] So you see somebody else is like, well, I have to have the, you know, Celebrity Vodka A because what have you.

[1285] And someone else goes, oh, oh, they like Celebrity Vodka A. Well, if they like Celebrity Vodka A, Celebrity Vodka A must be the vodka to buy.

[1286] And someone else sees that and then so on and so forth.

[1287] And now people are like, we have to have Celebrity Vodka A because it's what the other people like.

[1288] I remember P. Diddy had a vodka, right?

[1289] Sorok.

[1290] Syrac.

[1291] It's still around.

[1292] His shit, though, right?

[1293] It's whatever.

[1294] Like, why am I going to pay for Chirac?

[1295] to it.

[1296] Yeah.

[1297] Because you want to look cool.

[1298] I could buy pretty much any low -tier regular vodka and be just as much out of it as any.

[1299] Right, but you're Josh Barnett.

[1300] If you're a knucklehead that's getting bottle service to oppress the ladies, you want to get something that's got a name brand, right?

[1301] You want to drive a Mercedes.

[1302] You want to wear an Armani.

[1303] Now that's a matter of, are you looking for external validation or own personal validation?

[1304] And is the job to get a bunch of people so that they're all partying with you?

[1305] Or is the job for them to seem as though you're specifically cooler because of the type of vodka you have?

[1306] Isn't it funny that the commercials that attract people to those particular products show these sort of superficial relationships?

[1307] They show someone pop in the bottle.

[1308] They show all the other people looking at them.

[1309] Everybody looks like they've got a bunch of money.

[1310] Yes.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] Yes.

[1313] All that.

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] They're building this archetype, this idealization, but I'd say part of the problem with that is the idealized, the ideal that they're pitching is a really vapid one, right?

[1316] It has to do with, like, okay, they're wearing an expensive suit or they have, like, money doesn't give you any idea about the character of the person or the things, the value of it, you know, before I got into bed with these guys to start making.

[1317] whiskey with them, I said, well, I got to be there to come and drink it.

[1318] I'm not going to put my name on anything that I don't like and that I'm not into.

[1319] Did they design it based on what you enjoy?

[1320] Well, they had a mesquite -smoked bourbon on the market called Warbringer, and I came up and they - Listen to this, folks.

[1321] It's legit.

[1322] This is an actual 19th century bourbon bottle design too.

[1323] So I came up there to drink that.

[1324] I drank their Hey, school.

[1325] I came up there to try basically all the stuff that they had.

[1326] And I got to drink this rum that we're working on straight out of the barrel was fucking unreal.

[1327] And from that I go, okay, we got something here.

[1328] And then I drink, even their vodkas are the infusions they were doing with them.

[1329] Is that a chicken killing another chicken?

[1330] Is it a chicken killing another chicken?

[1331] It is, It is a blood oath level battle right there.

[1332] And I got talking to the head distiller, David, about my tastes in whiskey and what I was looking to do.

[1333] And we were already on the same path.

[1334] And so a single barrel, cask strength, this is batch two, which has like a big dark chocolate note to it.

[1335] And like a cherry finish.

[1336] How do you make a dark chocolate cherry finished note?

[1337] Well, for one, the ingredients.

[1338] Because, first of all, I'm not smelling any chocolate.

[1339] don't taste any chocolate?

[1340] You don't taste chocolate?

[1341] I smell the smoke for sure.

[1342] Oh, for sure, but leave your nose in it, I can smell that dark chocolate element, that more bitter side of things.

[1343] I think I'm too stupid for that stuff.

[1344] No, I just think it's about, like, when people do, like, when they do wine, I've been to a wine tasting before and they swam around.

[1345] Like, this is, very oaky.

[1346] I taste the tannins, and I'm like, well, here's the thing is thinking, so one of the people, a part of this company, Kat, she's a whiskey sommelier.

[1347] so when I asked for notes from her I'm like oh fuck I am just blown away about all this stuff and I'll smell like yeah I get yeah I can kind of see I can see that oh you're right there yeah exactly but uh but ultimately you got to just like it you know you smell what you smell you smell you relate it to the things that you can relate it to and that's it yeah what are you laughing at the working at restaurants for a long time we had to do wine tastings and one of the times the note they told us to look for was cat piss in the wine and I've never forgotten I think about it every time someone mentions it that's an Ohio thing bro I'm sure someone's a high quality pure grade cat piss right here flavor of it I'm out the smell the ammonia I have no idea but it's always stuck out anytime that is the number one problem with having cats man they fucking piss on everything yeah oh well if you don't clean the box they'll piss in your couch.

[1348] I've never had a cat that lived indoors.

[1349] Really?

[1350] Never.

[1351] No, my my cats always go outdoors.

[1352] Those are murderers.

[1353] I know.

[1354] Cats that go outside of the most ruthless fucking animals.

[1355] And that's the only kind of cat I've ever had.

[1356] They are responsible for in the bees, billions.

[1357] People don't know this if they have cats and they think the cats are cute and they're adorable.

[1358] They are adorable.

[1359] But they're responsible for billions of mammals and billions of birds.

[1360] Yes.

[1361] in the United States every year.

[1362] Yeah, cat pee, believe it or not, cats pee is in aruma.

[1363] Fuck.

[1364] A high -quality Sauvignon Blanc, funky and tangy smell.

[1365] Oh, if you're a cat person, can be eerily similar to another odor, which you find often come in contact.

[1366] Wow.

[1367] How, okay, let's say it does have a cat pee note.

[1368] That's crazy.

[1369] How is that going to encourage people to want to drink it?

[1370] What are you in the mood for?

[1371] You know, I think cat pee would go with this.

[1372] steak right now.

[1373] Cats pee, Tim Aiken, master of wine.

[1374] Scatological tasting terms are comparatively...

[1375] Great burgundy smells of shit.

[1376] What the fuck, man. It's very weird.

[1377] It gets really weird.

[1378] That's how you know you've lost the plot.

[1379] Like, you got so far that somebody goes, you know what, how do I...

[1380] Fuck, I'm just sound like everybody else right now.

[1381] How do I turn this up a notch?

[1382] You know what?

[1383] I'm looking for cat.

[1384] This smells like specific, like Bangkok street food diarrhea.

[1385] Very specific.

[1386] This smells like, you know, a week -old yeast infection.

[1387] I'm looking at a porta -pottie from the 80s at a Guns and Roses concert.

[1388] This smells like a payphone that's been in Skid Row in L .A. for the last 10 years.

[1389] Pay phones.

[1390] Those used to be a thing.

[1391] I do have a description, though.

[1392] So we're in China, me and this fighter, Alyssa.

[1393] And I got Alyssa this fight in China prior to.

[1394] this whole tour I had set up.

[1395] So Alyssa Garcia is a 105 pound fighter of mine, but I got her this fight at 115 in China.

[1396] Then I was shipping her to go train with Santian Noi, his Thai boxing gym, that's John Wayne Parr's coach, and then she was going to then fly back to Tokyo, finish her camp.

[1397] I was going to meet her, and then she fights in Risen.

[1398] Or no, she fought in deep.

[1399] So we're over there, and we're being taken out to this big, fancy dinner ahead of the event and the promoters there were in Shanghai it's all this big deal at this private room and I'm like yeah you know I had some Chinese wine once it was it was awesome and I'm down to drink whatever you guys want to drink he's like I got the best stuff for you you just wait all right fuck yeah so we got these tiny little glasses and what they're pouring in it is this stuff called Baiju this Chinese wine and or this Chinese fermented uh liquor and I'm like oh well that's That's got a nose on it.

[1400] And I drink it.

[1401] I'm just like, ugh.

[1402] What the, but it's the kind of thing that this is probably a pretty, this is a real expensive one they're telling me, and they just keep pouring ones.

[1403] And at some point, Alyssa goes, dude, I can smell that shit from here.

[1404] Why do you keep drinking?

[1405] I go, do you think I'm going to be the guy to turn over and be like, yeah, this sucks.

[1406] I hate it, you know, at Patu on your fucking fancy one, your fancy booze.

[1407] And she goes, what's it taste like?

[1408] I go, okay, this tastes like an old abandoned home that is being rained on for years.

[1409] And what you've done now is all this water has leaked through onto the floorboards, these dirty floorboards have been pissed on and dead cats are on and all this kind of stuff.

[1410] And it's all gone through these floorboards.

[1411] And this water has been collected and it's been filtered out through a hobo's sock.

[1412] You know, that's what this shit tastes like?

[1413] And she goes, what the fuck, man?

[1414] I go, do you want one?

[1415] She's like, why?

[1416] Why would I ever do that?

[1417] I just didn't know what it's like.

[1418] I would take it.

[1419] I would say pour me one of them babies.

[1420] How do we get that stuff here?

[1421] Oh, it's here.

[1422] It's here.

[1423] You can buy it.

[1424] You want me to bring some bijju?

[1425] We're going to drink some bijju together.

[1426] Oh, man. Next time.

[1427] We're going to set it up.

[1428] I need to know.

[1429] Oh, man. It will probably happen in Texas.

[1430] It's brutal.

[1431] I've heard people describe it as it tastes like something you run you like clean a carburetor with.

[1432] It's fermented sorghum and other stuff.

[1433] There's some weird tastes that cultures sort of have almost rituals with.

[1434] Like for Iceland, they're into that fermented shark.

[1435] Bourdain told me it was the single most disgusting food he ever ate.

[1436] I remember being on tour in Japan for New Japan Pro Wrestling and having, so it's pretty common that as you go from town to town, you would then go out and you'd be taken out by sponsors for the town, the local sponsors, or maybe whoever put the event on.

[1437] What have you.

[1438] And so I'd get taken out to these restaurants, and they would always order stuff like cow intestines.

[1439] There's four different types that are raw or this or that.

[1440] And they're always, I figure what they're trying to do is like, test me. Like, see if you fucking eat this.

[1441] See if, see it.

[1442] Does Mikey like it or what?

[1443] And so, yeah, you're probably the only person laughing at that one here.

[1444] I know.

[1445] That's old.

[1446] That's life cereal.

[1447] And so I remember being given something called chanja, which is a Korean dish, actually.

[1448] It's raw fish guts in fermented, like a spicy soy paste.

[1449] Now, the spicy soy paste on its own is actually, it's pretty good, and they use it in a lot of different stuff.

[1450] Might be considered goat chung, I'm not sure.

[1451] But, you know, it's raw fish guts.

[1452] And so they bring this shit out, and they're like, here, eat this.

[1453] I'm, oh, fuck.

[1454] So I'm like, but I ain't no bitch.

[1455] So I start eating this stuff.

[1456] And they're looking at me. Do you like it?

[1457] No. But, you know, I have to try it.

[1458] And the whole time I'm just thinking about this taste like bait.

[1459] This tastes like whatever it was.

[1460] We were using to catch salmon growing up.

[1461] This tastes like fucking bait.

[1462] And I can't eat salmon egg either.

[1463] Like, it's just too briny, salty.

[1464] That's a weird one, right?

[1465] Salmon egg's a weird one.

[1466] Yeah, it's just super.

[1467] But I realized that, that at least in this case, Japanese people's palette is more accustomed to these kind of really powerful, you know, something even similar across the board.

[1468] So a friend of mine is Ludo, chef Ludo.

[1469] And we used to go to his Ludo Bites events.

[1470] And so I went to this one with my buddy.

[1471] And he, we get this uni something.

[1472] It was like lobster, uni, whatever.

[1473] I love Sea Orchon.

[1474] It was so sea briny.

[1475] It was just the first bite, me and my buddy, Tomo, we go, that's not so bad.

[1476] Second bite, it's like, okay, now we're already reaching maximum saturation on this.

[1477] Third bite, it's like, we can't fucking do it anymore.

[1478] And it was just overpowering us.

[1479] Like our taste buds just couldn't handle it.

[1480] It wasn't that I would sit there and say that Uni is bad.

[1481] It's just that I couldn't enjoy it.

[1482] Like, it was just too much for me. And I tell Ludo, you go, yeah, well, he goes, well, we have a huge Asian clientele that loves to come to these Ludo bites, and they love the Uni -derived stuff.

[1483] I go, it must be just, you know, a palate thing.

[1484] It really must, because I just, I can't handle it.

[1485] Yeah, the uni is a weird one.

[1486] Like, my kids are into a lot of weird food.

[1487] They'll try everything.

[1488] They love sushi.

[1489] They've eaten wild games since they were babies.

[1490] But I can't get them to eat sea urchin.

[1491] They think it's disgusting.

[1492] Do they just stomp around with, like, big, giant fix blade knives everywhere?

[1493] No, like, like spike bracelets.

[1494] Well, in my head.

[1495] They're pretty normal for girls.

[1496] With a piece of el -jurkey hanging out of their mouth.

[1497] But they like to freak their friends out.

[1498] Like my daughter, when she was 10, her friend's like, what's your favorite food?

[1499] She goes, I like bear.

[1500] I like to eat bear.

[1501] They're like, what?

[1502] They're like, looking at her.

[1503] Like, are you serious?

[1504] She's like, yeah, you ever have bear sausage?

[1505] It's amazing.

[1506] My dad makes bear candy.

[1507] And they're, like, they don't know what to do.

[1508] You know, average kids never going to eat bear in the whole life.

[1509] I've only had bear once.

[1510] And I did like it.

[1511] Bears good.

[1512] It was a...

[1513] I never had grizzly, but I've had a lot of black bear.

[1514] I have no idea what kind of bear this was.

[1515] I'm not too hip to the bear population or bear genus of Far East Russia.

[1516] Oh, Far East Russia?

[1517] I was in a Banya, which is a very communal thing in Russia.

[1518] Mm -hmm.

[1519] And so I'm in Kabarovsk.

[1520] up in the far eastern north where it's negative 30 degrees below at night and I'm up there, we're in this banya.

[1521] Explain the banya for folks.

[1522] A banya is basically just like a big sauna.

[1523] And so, but it's a traditional setup where they have an oven with rocks and stone and it's a, they will put, throw water over the stones and things like that.

[1524] It's not exactly, it's not a drop.

[1525] one like a finish, but it's a similar to any other sort of sauna setups as you can come across, but it's not a steam room.

[1526] And that's also famous for they have a process where they take these bundles of tree branches with leaves and everything on them, and they'll use white oak, eucalyptus, other, and put blends together.

[1527] And what they'll do is they'll take these two bundles, and they'll whip the air around you as you're sitting there.

[1528] They whack your body with it.

[1529] And these leaves, these bundles are made of mostly fresh.

[1530] So there's still oils.

[1531] They're still live or there's still elements within it.

[1532] It's not fully dried out or anything like that.

[1533] And so this thing is all being hit upon you and they'll hit your feet and they'll do all this kind of stuff.

[1534] To be honest.

[1535] So the first time I ever went through this, this guy is like beaten my ass with these things.

[1536] And I'm just like, okay, I can get through this.

[1537] I know it's got to be healthy, you know.

[1538] I've read the Wikipedia.

[1539] It sounds all great.

[1540] And I'm sitting there and you go through sessions, like three -minute sessions or whatever.

[1541] And I'm on the third one, which is like towards the end.

[1542] And he's whacking away and he's whipping these things around me and circulating all this super hot air.

[1543] And I swear to God, my pale -ass, sensitive white boy skin was just felt like it was on fucking fire.

[1544] To the point that I started, I'm like, I got, I got, I can't do the name.

[1545] And so I get up and I'm yelling.

[1546] in Japanese in Russia and jumping into a cold pool because I'm so fucked up from getting my ass beat by this little Russian guy with a pile of sticks.

[1547] Why Japanese?

[1548] I don't fucking know.

[1549] I have no idea.

[1550] And I'm sitting here cooling off.

[1551] I spent so much time in Japan that, like, what the, what?

[1552] Do you not know any Russian?

[1553] No, I don't know.

[1554] So you just substitute it for another language that you barely know.

[1555] I just, my brain was in a different place, dude.

[1556] And as you can relate, when you're sitting in those things.

[1557] and it's pretty fucking hot and you're trying to get through it like sometimes you're just you're trying to get past it.

[1558] I would imagine the beating from the sticks is like the next level, right?

[1559] Because it's frustrating enough just dealing with the heat.

[1560] Well, think about it.

[1561] Right.

[1562] So you're sitting still and you're having, maybe you're having a tough sauna session.

[1563] You're like, okay, if I don't move enough, I'll get through this.

[1564] Right.

[1565] Now this motherfucker is pretending to be a fucking helicopter spinning around the room.

[1566] He's like a Beyonce fucking dance number.

[1567] getting all this hot air blown all over you like flying like caressing it up your taint all this shit and you're just like dude there's no way of stopping this does he have towels or no towels uh yeah yeah you either or man so you're lying face down basically naked yeah basically naked and having he's hitting your taint with this stick he's hitting your whole body very rare that a man hits your taint with sticks very rare I can say that it has have its, it's got its enjoyable minutes.

[1568] Yeah, there's something to it.

[1569] Taint, often really neglected part of the human body.

[1570] I'm going to start the whole taint -specific movement around how you need to massage and stretch the taint.

[1571] And you have to, you know, I bet your taint is all locked up.

[1572] I bet the fascia around your taint is just keeping you from being able to kick properly.

[1573] Yes.

[1574] So this guy, so anyways, I get through all this.

[1575] And they have a phone that goes right to the office.

[1576] And they have a menu and all this kind of stuff.

[1577] And people will bring food as well.

[1578] And usually like Samagom, which is Russian moonshine, which is, it's essentially like vodka type stuff.

[1579] So they get hammered?

[1580] Oh, it's fucking great.

[1581] It's beautiful.

[1582] I love it.

[1583] And so pull up this menu all in like Cyrillic, Russian.

[1584] So fuck, I don't know what any of this is.

[1585] And so I'm just sitting here like Google Trans like, you're trying to get this thing.

[1586] You're like, I don't know anything.

[1587] Are you getting cell phone service out there?

[1588] Well, I download the languages that I need when I'm in countries just in case that's the problem so I can get translation.

[1589] You use Android.

[1590] I do.

[1591] Is that better for that?

[1592] I think Google.

[1593] I couldn't say one of the other.

[1594] I think Google Translate works better on Android phones, I believe.

[1595] I mean, perhaps.

[1596] You have a pixel?

[1597] No, I have Samsung.

[1598] What is this one?

[1599] Galaxy.

[1600] Alexe S -9, Edge, X -23.

[1601] It's basically Elon Musk's next child's name.

[1602] How come you haven't switched over to iPhone?

[1603] You're resisting.

[1604] No, no, never.

[1605] Not going to do it.

[1606] I knew it.

[1607] That's what I'm asking.

[1608] You also drive a manual transmission.

[1609] I should tell everybody this.

[1610] Yeah, I drive a six -speed car.

[1611] You're part of the resistance.

[1612] Yeah, hashtag.

[1613] It basically came down to the fact that Apple is too much in charge of your hardware and your software.

[1614] The minute the iPhone came out, I was like, cool phone, but you're telling me I got to pay you more money to expand my memory or my storage capacity when I have a fucking memory card.

[1615] Do you think that I don't know if that exists?

[1616] Go fuck yourself, Jobs.

[1617] I know, I know you you're on this, but it's like, I feel like Joey pants in The Matrix when he's eating the steak.

[1618] And he's like, I want to be an important person over here.

[1619] He's willing to be in the Matrix.

[1620] Yes.

[1621] And no, he's in the Matrix as long as he gets a good experience.

[1622] That's how I've gone Android, and I have an Android.

[1623] I have a Galaxy, a note.

[1624] You were a pixel guy, too, yeah?

[1625] Yeah, yeah.

[1626] And you liked your pixel?

[1627] They're good.

[1628] Okay.

[1629] They're good.

[1630] The problem is AirDrop's an issue.

[1631] Like, AirDrop's amazing.

[1632] Oh, yeah.

[1633] And then the walled garden of Apple.

[1634] Like, all my apps work together, my notes, my notes sync up.

[1635] And I use other note applications so that I can sync them up with my Android phone.

[1636] but the reality is the experience in iOS is better.

[1637] You know, I'm not here to say that the Apple isn't creating things that are worthwhile to a degree.

[1638] It's just that I refuse to spend that kind of money to have a phone.

[1639] I just won't do it.

[1640] This is an S -9.

[1641] I mean, this thing is still good.

[1642] Three years old.

[1643] It works just great.

[1644] I get it.

[1645] But here's my thought.

[1646] I was like, am I just by trying?

[1647] Trying to be a rebel, am I having an inferior experience?

[1648] So I had to sit and think about it, and I realized I was.

[1649] I have an iPod touch.

[1650] Oh, congratulations.

[1651] Because the only, besides that, and iTunes.

[1652] You bring it to a museum.

[1653] I have no interest in having any Apple products.

[1654] Really?

[1655] I just, I don't need them.

[1656] I use a laptop that's a Windows laptop, though.

[1657] I use Windows everything.

[1658] I use Windows everything.

[1659] Yeah, of course you do.

[1660] Yeah.

[1661] You're a rebel.

[1662] Well, I also, I mean, I remember when having to, man, I've had computers in my household since I don't know when.

[1663] I'm not like some super programming geek or anything like that.

[1664] But I remember what it was like.

[1665] You had to operate things.

[1666] You had to learn how to use DOS and other operating systems before that or using Unix type -based stuff to get on the Internet and do things from the library back in the day.

[1667] So for me, I just want the ability to get what I need and to have them.

[1668] amount, proper amount of storage is necessary, and that's it.

[1669] My phone isn't for holding music on it.

[1670] It's not for, it's, I have Spotify, which, by the way, I've just took over what used to be the adrenaline workout Spotify playlist, and now it is the Warmaster's workout.

[1671] Congratulations.

[1672] And so I put together 96 -97 songs for this playlist for people to just go absolutely fucking ape shit in the gym and get their shit done.

[1673] As a part of my Spotify deal, I am putting together Spotify workouts.

[1674] I have a cookout workout or a cookout playlist.

[1675] I have a workout playlist.

[1676] I have a bunch of different playlist.

[1677] I have a driving playlist.

[1678] Nice, nice.

[1679] Yeah, so I now, do you have the Warmaster's workout?

[1680] So if you guys are out there and you want to be fueled by the incredibly powerful thing that is metal, if you want to get some serious games.

[1681] That's it.

[1682] Yes.

[1683] We got a monomarth, we got behemoth, we got bowthrower, we got dissection.

[1684] Oh, my goodness, there it is.

[1685] Yeah, there's me from the Every Time I Die show.

[1686] You balance in some dude on your fucking head.

[1687] That guy's like over 200 pounds.

[1688] I threw, I threw people.

[1689] Oh, it doesn't end.

[1690] I threw like 50 people off the stage that night.

[1691] Oh, that's hilarious.

[1692] My buddy to the right, that's Andy Williams.

[1693] He's in AEW as a pro wrestler right now as well.

[1694] You see, you know, Keith, all the every time my guy guys, Keith's up there just like, Don't crush me while I'm up here trying to sing.

[1695] There's this chick who must have been this tiny little blonde thing who maybe weighed 110 pounds on her best day who I chucked her once.

[1696] And then she comes back, she goes, I'm going to do it while holding this beer the whole fucking time.

[1697] And mind you, it was a can, but still, I have a picture that I got from someone where she's launched into the air.

[1698] Hill has her beer.

[1699] She lands on the crowd.

[1700] And when she comes back to backstage, she goes, yeah, I didn't spill it.

[1701] That's hilarious.

[1702] You're a fucking champ.

[1703] But the only way it'd have to be a can.

[1704] Like, you wouldn't throw over the glass, would you?

[1705] No. Uh -uh.

[1706] Nah, because the risk is too much.

[1707] The risk is too much.

[1708] But there's moments where you like, I roll the dice.

[1709] Throw her with a glass.

[1710] You know, no risk, no reward, man. Maybe a shot glass.

[1711] I'll throw someone with a shot glass, right?

[1712] Because the shot glass is hard to break.

[1713] It's pretty hard to break.

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] But a beer, like a regular beer glass, that's pretty easy to break.

[1716] at are pretty easy.

[1717] And it's just in a pit, man, that's bad news.

[1718] Bad fucking news.

[1719] But yeah, so I've taken over this Spotify playlist.

[1720] In fact, you know, I've been a really busy little fucker come COVID.

[1721] People are like, oh, man, how are you doing?

[1722] Like, wow, busy as shit.

[1723] Well, that's good.

[1724] I launched a new website.

[1725] Josh Barnett .com is up and running.

[1726] We got the Spotify takeover that I just did where I'm running this Warmaster's Workout playlist.

[1727] We got the whiskey stuff.

[1728] We have more whiskey products.

[1729] projects in the works as well as rum, we have our vodka, of all things.

[1730] That's a sign of a man who adapts.

[1731] And, you know, there's a challenge with, I came on here a long time ago, and I said, life gives you the opportunity to grow in as many ways as you want to choose to.

[1732] You can, you didn't come out of the womb and just start shooting arrows.

[1733] It was something you decided you wanted to do.

[1734] And as you went through life, you know, Joe Rogan's journey brought him to all these different things and from those he acquired new things new new endeavors but all these things required growth required having to suck or whatever or deal with new things to begin with i'm learning how to distillers like i want you running these runs from front i want you to learn how to do this from start to finish so you're you're part of the entire process i'm becoming a part of the entire process so even with this stuff taught me through that so how does that work it started off with So we talked about what we were going to do as far as a whiskey was concerned and what we wanted it to resemble.

[1735] And by the way, it's mesquite smoked because this place is in Oxnard.

[1736] This is a southwest -derived variant on what you might think of even as like Ila Scotches, which is Pete smoked.

[1737] Well, we use mesquite because that's mesquite's found in the southwest.

[1738] And we finish it in sherry cask.

[1739] So to give it that sweetness.

[1740] What do you start with?

[1741] We start with.

[1742] First day of work.

[1743] Yeah.

[1744] You would take grits corn.

[1745] And we would, grits corn.

[1746] Grits corn.

[1747] What is the difference you in grits corn?

[1748] The way, the quality of the corn kernels itself and the way they're cut to begin with.

[1749] The way they're initially milled, which leaves them all in big kernels, but it exposes the sugars in such a way that when we go and we put it out there in the smoker, that all this kernel of corn gets hit, the smoke hits all of it and brings all these sugars to the surface.

[1750] So you start off with the grits corn and then before anything happens, it goes into the smoker.

[1751] Yeah, we smoke.

[1752] What kind of smoker?

[1753] It's something that he, David, who, this guy, I'm not entirely sure if he has four PhDs, or at least multiple PhDs and multiple degrees, I'm not, I don't know.

[1754] He used to be like head of R &D at Procter & Gamble.

[1755] Really?

[1756] Like, this guy is brilliant, bonkers brilliant.

[1757] And in fact, I'm going to, one of my students, Mary works in, he works in microbiology.

[1758] and so I want to bring her up to try and mentor under him a little bit and learn some shit.

[1759] Grits corn.

[1760] Grits corn.

[1761] Like a regular smoker?

[1762] No, it's built out of a giant one of those big cargo containers.

[1763] What?

[1764] A shipping container.

[1765] And so we're smoking.

[1766] Yeah, so we're smoking Grits corn.

[1767] And then we...

[1768] So this is a custom thing that he's built himself.

[1769] So he's using actual wood.

[1770] Yes.

[1771] So we use mesquite wood chips.

[1772] So he has some sort of side.

[1773] cart that he's chucking the wood into and the smoke is going into this cargo container.

[1774] Is there a video of this, Jamie?

[1775] It's on the, it might be on the Warbringer Bourbon website and might be up there.

[1776] A picture of me shoveling so it was always Warbringer bourbon even before the Warmaster edition.

[1777] I think it was because it was Warbringer, Alfred, one of the investors, came to me and said, hey, we could make this fucking thing that's going to, you know, Connor McGregor's got a whiskey and this and I go, hold on.

[1778] I'm not here to talk bad about Connor McGregor and what he's doing.

[1779] I don't care if my product and his product are different.

[1780] It's fine, you know, and I understand the marketing potential, but I just, I'm a whiskey head.

[1781] Like, I got into this shit living in Japan.

[1782] My family's always drank whiskey.

[1783] It's always been around us, but I really got deep into being a connoisseur of this shit living over in Japan.

[1784] And so I was actually actively searching to link up with a whiskey distillery to, yeah, there I am, shoveling mesquite chips to create a whiskey.

[1785] And I know that there's like McConaughey and other people and, you know, Slipknot has a whiskey.

[1786] Lots of people are doing different booze, but I really am involved in creating this.

[1787] McConaughey's got whiskey?

[1788] McConaughey's got a whiskey with Wild Turkey.

[1789] and wall turkey is a great distillery because they make great shit all right all right blend probably well because I'm sure it's good but generally the celebrity route is to make something for the biggest audience possible right right I'm like no let's put out this big smoky motherfucker some people are going to be like I don't dig it it's fine but for the most part suck it those people can fuck off most people I've had people come back to me and say this is the smoothest best whiskey they've ever had.

[1790] It just makes me happy to bring that into their life.

[1791] Well, I love whiskey, and it's very good.

[1792] It's very good.

[1793] And it's very unique.

[1794] The mesquite flavor is very unique.

[1795] Was that your idea to go whiskey?

[1796] No, that was David.

[1797] David came up with the original mesquite formula and all of this.

[1798] And then the other portion of the mash bill is malted rye.

[1799] Or, yeah, malted rye.

[1800] So that goes into a mash, and the way he ferments it is three times as long as a normal whiskey fermentation cycle.

[1801] So even if you get what's called the white dog, which is the stuff just coming off the still, it hasn't been barrel -aged in any way.

[1802] And I sat there with this cat Will from Bourbon Review, and we're drinking straight up, this shit's smooth as hell at 160 proof.

[1803] And it's because of the, or 135, sorry.

[1804] It's because of the fermentation cycle and the fermentation that he, the yeast that he uses all this.

[1805] And as this thing gets done, we had three barrels, three barrels to choose from.

[1806] And because it's a single barrel product, you've got to choose them.

[1807] So I did, I tested every single barrel, took notes, did my deal.

[1808] And then we did a blind and came back again, same day, and I tested again, and I chose the same barrel twice and so we went with barrel seven to be our initial release this is what a barrel eight and then barrel nine was cycled back into normal warbringer and then we've got another barrel sitting there ready to be put together because fucking batch one was done in like two months it was all sold out it won a gold medal it was gone so when you is batch seven batch barrel seven barrel eight do they have the same flavor no oh my goodness so batch one which would which was barrel seven is 109 proof.

[1809] That's this right here.

[1810] This is batch two.

[1811] This is barrel eight.

[1812] Barrel eight.

[1813] So this is different.

[1814] Yep.

[1815] And the difference is also in the proof?

[1816] Yes.

[1817] In this case, yeah.

[1818] So once you stick it in the barrel, right.

[1819] You just got, whatever happens happens.

[1820] Right, this is real shit.

[1821] This is not some mass produced nonsense.

[1822] No, this is when people say craft distillery or small batch, this is, we get about anywhere from 210 to 230 bottles out of any one barrel.

[1823] And once it's gone, it's fucking gone.

[1824] That's good stuff, dude.

[1825] That's very good stuff.

[1826] I appreciate all that.

[1827] I appreciate everything you just said, the fact they're doing it that way.

[1828] That's the thing is I've always tried to do everything that I do that way.

[1829] Because in a sense, right, if you take the concept of what is your word, right?

[1830] Your word is essentially the social credit on anything you do.

[1831] And if your word doesn't have value, right?

[1832] If it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, if it isn't consistent, then no one's going to ever fucking believe you.

[1833] Well, when I'm endorsing things, that's an extension of my word.

[1834] So if I'm going to put bullshit out in the world that I don't fully invest in, then my word is going to get degraded.

[1835] So for even something like a whiskey, you could easily just merchandise it.

[1836] Like, who gives the fuck, right?

[1837] You could take that approach.

[1838] Or you could take the approach of every bottle.

[1839] of this shit that goes out and gets into someone's hands and touches their lips is an extension of me and my word and so a better hold up to it and if you don't like it that's okay that's fine it really is fine everybody's got their own palette yeah but that's how you approach everything you're not a mass produced guy I'm not man that's why you're using that fucking Samsung phone trying to fight the power my own little rebellion my own little protest Elvis was a hero to most you're out there fighting in the power.

[1840] I love it.

[1841] Oh, fuck.

[1842] Well, look, we need rebels, legit rebels.

[1843] For real, we do, man. We do.

[1844] Today, in particular, it's so easy to get sucked up in the herd mentality.

[1845] Of course it is.

[1846] Nietzsche would say a man goes into a crowd.

[1847] He comes in with one mind and gets rid of it and takes on another.

[1848] And it's true.

[1849] You know, there's a difference between the mindset of groups and the mindset of the individual.

[1850] And I'm not one to be like such a hardcore individualist where I think the individual is the start.

[1851] I mean, I believe it is the starting point of everything, but it's not the end point of everything.

[1852] And we're made to be social creatures.

[1853] Exiling somebody out of a tribe way back when was tantamount to basically giving them a death sentence.

[1854] And they've said that somebody being in isolation away from other people can at a point become more detrimental to even than even being an alcoholic.

[1855] I don't know how they came up with that metric, how that lined up per se, but I know that by not being attached to not having proper interaction with others is, it is, it's degradation to your sense of being, and it is incredibly harmful to you.

[1856] So we're made to be in groups, and we're also made to be individuals.

[1857] Now, I would say that the makeup of what you bring into a group is also related to what you create as an individual.

[1858] You know, if you come in as a fully formed, healthy, capable individual, then you're only going to be somebody who could potentially, as long as you can keep what's important about yourself, you're only going to be a benefit to such a group.

[1859] That's what's difficult for people, though, is to have what's called personal sovereignty, to be able to be yourself in a group.

[1860] It's very hard for people.

[1861] Well, yeah, and if a group does something, okay, great.

[1862] But if you're a part of that group, then you're accountable to.

[1863] You can't just pass it off on to everyone else.

[1864] There's certainly a little bit of that, but it's also just keeping your ideas the same or not.

[1865] Like, sometimes there's benefit to change.

[1866] I mean, there's benefit to recognizing that these ideas that you have in a lot of cases, they're really just sort of a defense mechanism and they've sort of shielded you from growth.

[1867] And then maybe you run into new people that have new ideas and these ideas resonate with you in a different way.

[1868] and you go, oh, okay, well, now I'm faced with this truth that I can't ignore that my previous conceptions of the world were twisted in some sort of a way.

[1869] How often do you come across people that will fight you tooth and nail to the death to hold on to those preconceived notions?

[1870] A lot, man. It's a real problem.

[1871] A simple one I came across was even involved with this COVID stuff, was trying to talk to people about how the mainstream media has had bad narratives from the get, you know, be it they were given bad information, but they fucking doubled down on it all the time, or if it's the WHO and they're running interference for China, whatever, right?

[1872] There's all this manipulation going on around something that is not, that is, it's not subjective.

[1873] Viruses aren't subjective.

[1874] You just can't play this game with that kind of thing.

[1875] And people would fight me to and fucking nail to defend the mainstream media over it.

[1876] And I go, look, here's example, one, two, three, four, five.

[1877] Look at how they're all fucking wrong.

[1878] They're fucked up.

[1879] They're doing this.

[1880] They're politicizing.

[1881] They're doing all these different things for different reasons.

[1882] But none of it is really for your own betterment of understanding and to be safer and healthier.

[1883] And or even just to say, we still don't know yet because we just don't have the data.

[1884] And people fight tooth and nail over this ship because there's so many people that use the current media apparatus as their mainstream sense making apparatus and if you tear that away from them now they have to sit back and go what do I really know what is the reality of what I think truth is what is the metric upon understanding now that you've just shown me that and of course even at its best of course media is going to be faulty at times because it's just made up of people right we're always going to be imperfect we're always going to make mistakes but there is no admitting of mistakes anymore.

[1885] There's no saying I was wrong.

[1886] We were wrong.

[1887] There's also a problem with mainstream media and it's the same problem that we have with the police.

[1888] You're giving people an in anordinate amount of power and when you give people that amount of power they don't want to ever let it go and they don't ever want to say they're wrong and they don't ever want to admit fault and they don't ever want to open the door to nuance.

[1889] Correct.

[1890] And that's what you see with, whether it's CNN or Fox News or any of these motherfuckers, they have this idea that they've been selling you, whether it's this idea about Russia, whether it's the idea about COVID, what's the idea about Trump, what's the idea about Biden.

[1891] I mean, they're selling you some shit and it's very, very difficult to get an unbiased perspective on the world.

[1892] They came after you for no reason.

[1893] You know, they would write all this kind of completely disingenuous, just narrative -driven bullshit around you, a person who brings people on and has conversations and tries to, flourish that idea of the, what are they going to marketplace of ideas, like having conversations and trying to earnestly and sincerely explore things and try to have a better grip on the world and try to better orient themselves towards just knowing.

[1894] and knowledge, in addition to even have the fucking good time about it, being here.

[1895] Well, it's a competitive thing, too.

[1896] Of course it is.

[1897] When someone reaches a point where they're interacting with too many people and they have this potential to really influence things in terms of the political process, in terms of the way people view things, that becomes very dangerous for people that have a different perspective on things or people that are connected to a traditional machine.

[1898] True.

[1899] Whether it's newspapers or whether it's, you know.

[1900] And I have friends in both those things.

[1901] I have friends in media and I have friends.

[1902] I have people that have apologized for things that other people have written.

[1903] I'm like, listen, man, it's part of the game.

[1904] You're not going to rattle me. I'm okay.

[1905] I get it.

[1906] You accept.

[1907] You're not sitting here saying that it's okay.

[1908] But what you're saying is I know what the landscape looks like.

[1909] I know what I expect.

[1910] I understand humans.

[1911] I understand why people would attack me. And I understand why you even look at very small things that are taken out of context and develop your own perception of me that's inaccurate i get it i don't i'm not angry about it correct but i don't i don't want i don't want it to be any different i this is what's fucked up i kind of like i like the madness of i really do i know what you feel i i i wouldn't on a personal level i can relate to that yes if this world was logical a person like me wouldn't have no place where someone just comes from doing some live stream on a fucking laptop and then 10 years later has hundreds of millions of downloads.

[1912] It doesn't make any sense.

[1913] I don't know.

[1914] I think you're tapping into something that is universal.

[1915] I think that when it comes to like I love studying history and religion because those are some of the oldest insights into the way people think and the way people act and within these frameworks are tons of windows into human thought process and psychology and it's the same as you know none of it has changed over the oldest religious texts the oldest historical things we can find the stories that exist the myths all these things they're all this this is the same shit over and over and over again the first time I ever saw that was reading the Hagakure and seeing that the complaints and the issues of criticisms that this monk who was a former samurai had of his current era in the 19th century are the same criticisms and problems and the same issues with people's actions deriving from the same human places of insecurity and psychological element.

[1916] It's all the same shit.

[1917] Nothing has changed.

[1918] We're not any different than a person in the 6th century in the Roman Empire or anything like that than anybody this era.

[1919] We're not different people.

[1920] We have different technology.

[1921] we have we have different communication in terms of which language you use but we don't act differently we're not driven from different impulses we're not you know we're not rousseau we're not a blank slate you know um i don't i don't buy that concept at all because history would look so much radically different but it fucking doesn't and i've written you so many times and at times whoever has your old number who's probably incredibly confused about what the fuck is this guy talking about but uh about how i think a person like you is critical to what towards the interaction of the current um paradigm is you are a necessity because right wrong whatever your personal opinion is whatever it's the fact of creating the ability for people to get out here and speak nobody ever had Tulsi gabard and uh Bernie Sanders in a place to feel more open.

[1922] And I'll say as politicians, they probably were as open as they could be, but they're fucking politicians in this current, and the paradigm of the Western politician, who knows how legitimately sincere any of those fuckers are.

[1923] But this has been probably the only place that you could have had someone like that and allowed it to, to that window into their least politician self.

[1924] You know, I got to sit here and listen to Andrew Yang.

[1925] talk about UBI and be like, nah, dude, I don't fucking buy it.

[1926] But I like you.

[1927] You know, I fucking like you.

[1928] I like you.

[1929] Or it's just a matter of not being so pent up on, oh God, well, my narrative, my, my ideology, my, my fucking, I got to tribalize all this into such a degree that I have to tear down everything else around me so that mine can exist.

[1930] And that even goes to with this bourbon or anything I do.

[1931] I don't need to cut other things down for mine to rise to for other people to enjoy it.

[1932] You don't have to, you don't have to tear apart the mainstream media for yours to exist.

[1933] You know, now, mind you, the mainstream media tries to destroy you all the time.

[1934] But I think it's just players in the media.

[1935] The media itself is just a, it's just a pathway for people to express themselves.

[1936] It's very limited.

[1937] I would say the media, among a. lot of things.

[1938] Like there is a good, for a term that I really like, it's called managerial elites.

[1939] And so most things are big bureaucratic structures that have managers.

[1940] And it's just all managers everywhere.

[1941] They're all operating into that human resource paradigm that we talked about earlier.

[1942] And they don't, they don't, managers don't usually create anything.

[1943] And this is not to say that managers aren't an important thing.

[1944] I think managers are very important.

[1945] But, How many times has anybody worked in a place where they have management that is so divorced from the creative or from the actuality of creating a product or whatever the job role is?

[1946] And yet these people are making decisions all the time and bleeding into telling people how to do their job instead of managing people to be able to be best at their job.

[1947] Well, they're invested in it as well because they have mortgages and they have bills and they want the money to keep.

[1948] keep rolling in.

[1949] So their idea is to make sure that whatever this thing that they're doing, whether it's a newspaper, whether it's a television show, they want to make sure that they stay in the most wide mainstream of lanes.

[1950] It's going to bring in the most money.

[1951] And that's the weird part about media in general is that it's motivated by people that are trying to seek a profit.

[1952] That's what they're doing.

[1953] And there's a giant machine behind them.

[1954] We have two video editors and Jamie that's the whole deal that's the whole and you can't you this this wouldn't exist any other way you would if you had more people you would have like well you need a more diverse group of people working here oh you need to hire this and you need to have you don't support trans people and where where's your money that's an assumption that's putting bad faith on you that's thinking that as if some somebody who is trans or what have you might show up for a job that you need filled, and somehow you'd be like, well, because you're trans, you can't, no, if they're capable of doing the job, you hire the fucking person.

[1955] I agree.

[1956] But the way it looks in terms of optics, like people feel like they need to hire, you know, X amount of Asian people and X amount of this people.

[1957] And there's a weird climate right now where...

[1958] It's just a really bad heuristic.

[1959] That's all that is.

[1960] That's a horrible heuristic saying that the makeup of somebody's external or the makeup, the external makeup of a company somehow has any real indication of its actual quality and character.

[1961] Well, it's the lack of diversity is an assumption of prejudice.

[1962] Correct.

[1963] That's what it is.

[1964] Like, if you have a writing group, like, if you're on a sitcom, I am just going to say this because it's true.

[1965] The majority is going to be white males that are Jewish.

[1966] Those are the writers on sitcoms, and they're really good at it.

[1967] there's a whole fucking culture attached to it.

[1968] It doesn't mean that an Asian woman can't be a great sitcom writer.

[1969] It doesn't mean...

[1970] Full on.

[1971] Yeah, but it's a thing where there's in many of these businesses there's a tradition of hiring a certain kind of people because they've been very effective at it.

[1972] But there's also in a lot of these places of meritocracy.

[1973] Is there a boys club in a lot of these places?

[1974] Yeah, there is.

[1975] Are they hiring their friends?

[1976] For sure.

[1977] Is it harder to get in in some of these places if you're someone different, I would imagine so.

[1978] I would imagine so.

[1979] There's all these different scenarios that can lay themselves out.

[1980] Some of it can even be perhaps the aggressiveness of men towards acquiring certain positions versus maybe a more subtle approach a woman might take.

[1981] That's the argument about why women don't make as much money.

[1982] That is the argument.

[1983] You know, one of the things I like about when Peterson brings that up is, and people always neglect this, is he goes.

[1984] goes, it almost seems as if really that perhaps women are just fucking smarter than us.

[1985] Like, they're just saner.

[1986] They're like, oh, well, why be a maniac that only lives for this job?

[1987] Instead, how about I be a person that does all these other fulfilling things in their life instead of driving myself into this insane, near single -minded obsession?

[1988] Right.

[1989] That's the only metric that we're judging success by is money.

[1990] Correct, which is money and social status inside of a corporate.

[1991] Right.

[1992] Money's a great tool, clearly.

[1993] It can do a lot of things for people.

[1994] And, you know, it's a lot easier to exchange money with people than to exchange livestock, fucking, I don't know, giant buildings and pieces of stone.

[1995] Like, what are you going to fucking carry around a bunch of pieces of gold on you?

[1996] I mean, come on.

[1997] A bill is probably the simplest solution to creating ways of barter instead of actually having it.

[1998] But, I mean, really, what we're talking about is happiness.

[1999] Yeah.

[2000] Happiness isn't about the things you own.

[2001] So difficult to measure.

[2002] Yeah.

[2003] Well, I mean, think of how happy someone might be buying something versus if you actually built it.

[2004] Or think about how happy someone might be if they have this, like, really powerful career, but they don't have a family versus someone who does have a family who doesn't have any career, really.

[2005] They make enough living to get by, but they love being around their tribe.

[2006] I keep telling people, like, there's two people that I really idealize.

[2007] I don't even know if they know this.

[2008] So Bill and Wanda Goldberg and Michael Jai White and Gillian are two couples with families that I look at them and I think this is proof that this is a thing that is creatable.

[2009] You can have a beautiful, amazing family and have a great relationship and you can continue to create and make great things and you can really have it all.

[2010] it really is possible.

[2011] And I look at that, and that that's what I want.

[2012] I want family.

[2013] I want to be able to create my own sort of tribe around that from a familiar sense.

[2014] And I want to bring some, I want to bring a child into the world and pass along all that has been given, and I say given to me by all these amazing people and all the amazing relationships and experiences that I have acquired throughout life.

[2015] And I try to do that with my so -called, quote -unquote, kids, my students.

[2016] And I impart these, this lineage down to them, these experiences, this knowledge.

[2017] I give to them and I give to my friends and I do as much as I can to keep the, keep the flame alive.

[2018] Are you trying to tell me you got baby fever?

[2019] This is what I'm hearing.

[2020] Have you found a gal?

[2021] Is you ready to shoot a live one into?

[2022] You know, there's always practice.

[2023] Practice is fun.

[2024] Practices?

[2025] I don't want to fuck this moment up.

[2026] Are you done fighting 100 %?

[2027] No. How old do you know?

[2028] 42.

[2029] When do you think you'll be done?

[2030] When I'm done.

[2031] Just when you're done.

[2032] When I'm done.

[2033] I don't know what that window is.

[2034] I just know that I've got some fights left in me. You're still signed with Bellator?

[2035] Still sign.

[2036] And what is the, they don't have a timeline for?

[2037] No, nothing.

[2038] Isn't it interesting?

[2039] Like, why have they decided to not do events without an audience?

[2040] I don't know.

[2041] Because, well, I guess they need the gate.

[2042] I personally would love to even run, like, people have talked to me about running my blood sport events, my pro wrestling stuff that I've been doing.

[2043] And me and GCW could easily put together a blood sport event.

[2044] with no audience and as long as we got the the revenue to do so like we'll fucking we'll make a killer event we don't need an audience for what we create right and the ufc has done a great job in the way they have been handling testing and putting people in one of my my best friend eric hammer uh errabello he trains and works with spike who fights in ufc right now uh ginger -haired wild man and he told me all about the process they put everybody through for testing and he also worked with Benil Darius.

[2045] And so, you know, hats off to the UFC for keeping people employed.

[2046] I don't, and this isn't to knock at Bellator either because they, I'm sure they have their reason and their rationale for running their business the way that they do.

[2047] But the UFC found a way that they could create the opportunity to keep people working, so to speak.

[2048] I think it's great.

[2049] I'm glad that they're doing it And the testing is very rigorous And it works I mean we had a great fight this weekend That got to cancel Gilbert Burns was supposed to fight Kamar Usman Yeah But they had Masvidal waiting in the wings Luckily I mean I don't know how much Masvedal's been training I don't know what the But he took it He took the gig It's very exciting Props to them And it's a bummer For the other fighter Yeah it's a bummer for Gilbert Yeah it's a bummer for Gilbert You know As long as he's healthy, and he can come back.

[2050] I actually thought it was a little quick for Gilbert to be getting right back in after five hard rounds with Tyrone Woodley.

[2051] I mean, that was just a couple of weeks ago.

[2052] Yeah, perhaps.

[2053] Or maybe five weeks ago, six weeks ago, whatever it was.

[2054] But the fights without a crowd are really exciting.

[2055] It's real weird, man. I personally would probably love it.

[2056] I love the quietness in Japan when I fight.

[2057] I think it's the best.

[2058] Yeah, we should explain that.

[2059] I've only done one UFC in Japan, but it's amazing.

[2060] polite the audience's ones.

[2061] They would really clap and applaud at strange things, too, like someone escaping from half guard.

[2062] Well, they're just so well -educated.

[2063] Combat sports is such an integrated part of Japanese culture, be it doing judo or karate or something like that, just in grade school or middle school.

[2064] I remember watching someone pass the guard and everyone, oh, clap.

[2065] They know what they're looking at.

[2066] Wow, that's crazy.

[2067] They know what matters.

[2068] Yeah, they really do.

[2069] And, you know, there's sometimes I really love the.

[2070] raucous nature and energy of an American crowd.

[2071] But I think, at least for myself, I just don't give a shit about anything else but going to war at that moment.

[2072] I don't care about the crowd.

[2073] I don't care about anything.

[2074] All I want to do is fucking kill.

[2075] There's something wild about watching it when you're right there and there's no crowd because you could hear the huffing and puffing.

[2076] You can hear the shit talk You can hear the smack of a body shot You hear everything You hear the smack of shins when they check You know, it's like It's a different experience man And I don't think it's better You don't think it's better?

[2077] No, no, no Because there's something about Like a Connor McGregor fight At the fucking sold -out T -Mobile arena Where everybody goes Apes shit And Shnate O 'Connor's singing And there's blue smoke everywhere Or green smoke everywhere There's something wild about that too Where it's a spectacle But there's something uniquely raw about these apex fights where they have them at the apex center and then the one we did one in florida as well there's something uniquely raw about no crowd and intimacy versus intensity yeah i don't know but man there's a lot of fucking intensity like that tyrant woodley gilbert burns fight was fucking intense man you know there's there's a lot of intensity in these fights as well it's hard to call i mean when you have a crowd again like when a man uh loses his mind and gains another as this crowd starts to surge you get pulled into it yeah so if you've got a protest and you're out here to say like hey fucking get your shit together and then someone starts lighting off fireworks in the middle of your crowd you know everyone or someone starts turning it into hey get your shit together hey we're going to push your shit in right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah boom there it goes mentality there it goes people lose their shit and so plus or minus man uh you go out there and a fight goes on and when the crowd reacts it's like oh this really matters oh yeah I'm into it now I'm involved yeah you are because everybody else around you is yeah yeah of course you are right yeah it's they're both awesome they're both awesome I think that's a I completely can get behind that they're a slightly different thing they're a slightly different thing you know it's it's hard to wrap your head around it until you're actually experiencing a world -class fight you know five rounds with no audience it's they're different well yeah it's fucking amazing they're both fucking amazing I'm glad that it's going on I'm glad for the fighters uh I'm looking forward to when when Scott and company get things up and rolling again I just want to see the world in general just open up to when fights can be a thing well one of the interesting things that seems to be happening and I've been reading a lot about this is one of the things is the CDC, the death rate of COVID has dropped so low.

[2078] It's in consideration for being removed from pandemic status.

[2079] CDC, sir.

[2080] Okay.

[2081] Yeah.

[2082] So I think what's happening is younger people are getting it now because a lot of people, believe it or not, got it because of the protest.

[2083] I know it sounds crazy.

[2084] What a wild idea.

[2085] What are you saying, Joe Rogan?

[2086] You're talking nonsense.

[2087] What are you a right winger now?

[2088] No, I'm not, and that's not what I'm saying.

[2089] I'm, come folks.

[2090] You get 50 ,000 people, and I'm all, by the way, I should say, I'm 100 % in favor of protesting, but I'm also 100 % in favor of people wearing masks and going to a restaurant, which I just did.

[2091] I was in Texas this last weekend.

[2092] And in Texas, they got it nailed, man. Yeah, I know they have a lot of cases.

[2093] They don't have, look, the debt, the point is that people in Texas.

[2094] There's a lot of people, but also the death rate is lower for this round because it's, there's two possibilities.

[2095] One possibility is that it's lower because it's about to spike up and there'll be more death soon.

[2096] The other possibility is herd immunity, is that the virus is potentially getting weaker, like it's maybe possibly evolving.

[2097] I've heard all these different arguments from all these different biologists.

[2098] It's so hard to run down, especially when you're a moron like me, figure out what exactly is right.

[2099] I'm in the same boat.

[2100] I'm trying to make sense of it.

[2101] My head distiller, David, used to work in infectious disease.

[2102] He told me about the structure of the disease itself and why is soap and water so effective.

[2103] Well, it emulsifies the fats around the virus itself and it breaks it down.

[2104] This is also why things like Windex will kill it.

[2105] You know, it's not particularly hardy.

[2106] UV light kills it.

[2107] UV light and sunlight kills it.

[2108] But he also says that, you know, coronaviruses are known for enjoying colder weathers.

[2109] So fall and winter is a possibility.

[2110] And then when you talk about spikes, so that thing, one of the thing that really was in my mind when I was talking about people fighting tooth and nail to defend their use of mainstream media as their de facto sense making apparatus is that I was posting stuff about wearing masks.

[2111] And by the way, all the people that I listen to who were giving me information, either stuff coming straight past the firewall in China, like weird Twitter accounts and YouTubers and whatever, I had my supplies end of January because, one, I live in an earthquake state and I needed to have it anyways.

[2112] So it didn't make, it wasn't like no skin off my nose.

[2113] I didn't have enough, I wasn't storing water and whatever.

[2114] And, okay, I should have that just in case there's an earthquake.

[2115] So I'll do it for this.

[2116] And then, but I had enough toilet paper, I had enough thing because I figured people are going to be the big problem.

[2117] That's the thing that's going to affect this the most.

[2118] And I told so many people, and they all looked at me like, what are you, some sort of fucking weirdo prepper?

[2119] And I go, I guess.

[2120] But when I can wipe my ass, you'll be, you know, let's see what you do.

[2121] And I'll see how much your cat likes it when you got no more toilet paper left over.

[2122] You're fucking using your cat to wipe your ass.

[2123] Well, that's not what I'm worried about.

[2124] I'm worried about food.

[2125] Oh, food.

[2126] You guys wash your ass in the shower if there's water.

[2127] Food and water is what's really new.

[2128] But I was like, look, everybody, we need to be wearing masks.

[2129] and people would fight me because the mainstream media said don't wear masks you know we need masks for the look fuck face I didn't say N95 masks which by the way there's also N99 and there's also P95 and P99 and there's you don't even understand the classification of masks and now you're going to fucking tell me when I've already done the research and I know what the difference is and now you're going to just fucking put cloth over your face do something when you had Lex on here fucking sweet dude Lex Friedman I love that guy And he's just simply showing you, that's enough.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] And I said, look, if we're just wearing masks as a guy who used to live in fucking Japan, it helps.

[2132] Because a lot of people in Japan wear masks at a courtesy.

[2133] It's just out of courtesy if they're feeling the sniffles or what have you.

[2134] Kase.

[2135] Really interesting.

[2136] Isn't it that that culture was so ahead of the curve when it comes to mask wearing with respiratory illnesses?

[2137] Yes, full on.

[2138] Also, because they're jammed on top of each other.

[2139] Of course, there's that too.

[2140] but they think about their own, they think about the honor of having their own social responsibility for their part in things.

[2141] And they've had a very low death rate.

[2142] Very low.

[2143] And then, you know, only.

[2144] What do they attribute that to?

[2145] I think it's due to, I personally think it's due to just mask wearing on a cultural basis.

[2146] I think it's due to, if you tell people in Japan, like, okay, hey, we got some shit coming up.

[2147] Here's these three things that you need to do, they will do them.

[2148] Right.

[2149] It's the same reason why, when you have a natural disaster coupled with a nuclear issue like the tsunami, Fukushima, that the older people will come up and go, okay, hey, you younger guys, you've got families, you've not lived as long as us, leave, we're going to go in, we'll take care of it.

[2150] You know, that's why they will put together resource centers or fallout centers for people to house in while everything's destroyed and no one's getting raped and murdered.

[2151] Whereas Katrina hits, you fill up the Superdome because holy shit, man, there's all these people that are displaced.

[2152] It is, it's, you guys are suffering like mad.

[2153] Okay, well, we got this, at least this, this piece of property that we can use to try and help people out.

[2154] And it turns into a fucking nightmare in that place.

[2155] That won't happen in Japan.

[2156] It's just not the way that they are.

[2157] I find that so fascinating how cultures evolve so differently.

[2158] It's just so interesting that human, I mean, even the negative aspects of it.

[2159] Like I was talking to a friend of mine once, we were talking about communism and the threat of communism.

[2160] Oh, you don't have to worry about that here.

[2161] And I'm like, listen, man, the people that live in North Korea are humans in 2020.

[2162] And they are under the grip of a military dictatorship.

[2163] There's no getting around that.

[2164] The people that live in the United States in 2020 are not.

[2165] But they're just humans on earth during the same time, and there's styles of living.

[2166] It's a weird way to look at it, but if you look at it in terms of styles of living, there are styles of living.

[2167] And these styles of living, whether you're in a cult or whether you're in a commune or whether you're a part of a Republican town or whether you're living in Chaz before they tore it down.

[2168] There's styles of living.

[2169] And some styles are far more problematic than others.

[2170] And the style of living that we should really be worried about is top down power.

[2171] One person like a Kim Jong -un who's running the whole fucking show.

[2172] And if you don't cry when his dad dies, you have to go to jail for six months.

[2173] Correct.

[2174] And I spoke to people, I had a conversation with someone a long time ago and I go, look, the problem is if you have the ability to at least vote, I mean, and we can, I mean, that's a whole other discussion.

[2175] about how effective our votes are anymore, but at least there is some semblance of us being a part of the process and being able to freely protest and do other things to try and influence the way government is going.

[2176] When you have this massive top -down structure, it's just not going to happen.

[2177] They're going to dictate from top -down.

[2178] Plus, it's the idea that you can predict everything that everyone's going to need all the time.

[2179] And that's just impossible.

[2180] You can't predict every necessity.

[2181] You can't predict every problem that's going to come.

[2182] It's just not, you can't do it.

[2183] Well, this virus has shown that for sure.

[2184] Well, long supply change.

[2185] You want to push all your manufacturing out to other places.

[2186] You want to stretch out all your supply lines.

[2187] Or how about all the people running businesses on the edges all the time?

[2188] Like, oh, if you get money, don't save it, spend it, go and, you know, buy more debt to do this with it.

[2189] And then all of a sudden this happens, it's like, well, you're fucked because you didn't save anything.

[2190] You didn't see it coming.

[2191] Yeah, you missed it.

[2192] You missed this opportunity to, yeah, I mean, and look, I would not want to be a mayor or governor right now.

[2193] But you're also seeing the different ways mayors and governors handle these things.

[2194] And, you know, some of them are of the idea that you should be willing to let your people take chances.

[2195] And these people should, if they want to, they should be able to make a living.

[2196] They should be able to wear a mask and protect the elders and protect the sick people.

[2197] There is a possibility to create protocols to take into consideration the unknown and protect as many people.

[2198] I mean, I've been wearing a mask.

[2199] Every public place I go to, I wear a mask.

[2200] I just do.

[2201] And do you attribute your time in Japan for your sensitivity to that?

[2202] That and just what I understand, what little I will say I understand from even reading people like, Nassim Taleb or Balaji Seraan or any of the epidemiologists or talking to my head distiller or my student, Mary, who literally works on COVID machines in a microbiology lab.

[2203] Really?

[2204] Okay.

[2205] I can understand a little bit, but I know that even they don't have all the information.

[2206] Nobody can't.

[2207] Right.

[2208] It's novel because it's new.

[2209] Now, I know that they've been studying Chinese horseshoe bat, coronaviruses since like 2015, or maybe even sooner than that, especially after the issue that the world had was SARS.

[2210] So, of course, it starts to become a priority.

[2211] Fine.

[2212] But here we are, here and now.

[2213] What I don't know, I'm not going to just assume that things will just be fucking fine.

[2214] That's just not a way I can approach things.

[2215] What I have to do is what I can take on responsibility for myself, okay, that's mine.

[2216] But for other people, different story.

[2217] And when I can do something as simple as wear a mask and be in public, I'm not damaging.

[2218] I'm ensuring myself and others from hardly doing anything.

[2219] Well, we also talked about before the podcast, you take the necessary precautions to protect your own health in terms of supplementation, in terms of...

[2220] Yes, of course.

[2221] And following up on any kind of studies and just any previous understanding of supplementation in regards to other viruses and infection and things like that.

[2222] but also as when I when this first came down I had stuff to protect my eyes I had a 95 masks I had a Tyvex suit if need be what's a Tyvex suit they're using using for painting and things like that but you can duct tape them off and what have you and who knows right but I don't know what's going on I don't know what's going to happen I just know that I don't want to get fucked yeah that was the big fear when when the shit hit the fan the big fear was that this was going to be something that we really had to worry about that was going to kill, you know, a giant percentage.

[2223] Could have been.

[2224] Could have been.

[2225] But then, okay, so it's not that bad at least, right?

[2226] So, but for a while there, what I would do is when I would leave the house, I had my outdoor clothes and my indoor clothes.

[2227] When I came back in the house, I took all my shit off in my little foyer, put it in the corner, took a shower, cleaned up, then put all my indoor clothes.

[2228] Really?

[2229] To make sure that if I was an issue.

[2230] All right, I'm not, I don't know what this virus can or will do, but I'm, I'm going to avoid bringing it into my house as best as possible.

[2231] Josh Barnett was going all out.

[2232] And so then as I started to learn that, okay, doesn't seem like it's this, like it is gnarly, it's real, but it's gnarly to certain people.

[2233] And I have a few friends with it was nothing.

[2234] Yeah.

[2235] I am under the impression.

[2236] To be honest, I think I already had it.

[2237] I think I got it.

[2238] Well, we're going to find out in 25 minutes.

[2239] Yeah.

[2240] I think that, to be honest, I really believe there's several strains, and I've read that, but I mean, it only makes sense.

[2241] There may be a few strains for sure, although from what sources I have, coronaviruses and are not, they're not the kind of thing that mutates very much, and what they're more likely to do is become more benign and not more aggressive.

[2242] I have heard that, but I also have heard that the strain in India is so vastly different than the strain here, that if they develop a vaccine for the strain that's in North America, it literally won't work for what's in India.

[2243] Yeah, possibly, you know, not enough curry.

[2244] It's a turmeric thing.

[2245] It's a turmeric thing.

[2246] For sure, this is a trying time for us.

[2247] It is for everybody, you know, think about being in India, think about it being in all these other places.

[2248] It is, it is...

[2249] It's also, like, really ramped up all the anger.

[2250] I think a lot of it comes to...

[2251] Fear.

[2252] Yeah, and there's...

[2253] fear the unknown is one of the greatest motivators or creators of fear but i would say that this reminded me a lot from get as soon as it was like okay we need to shelter in place or safer at home or whatever the case it may be and it just made me think of cormac McCarthy uh in no country for old men he wrote uh you know you can you can change your name you can do this you can do that and go go to some other place and you know but at the end of the day when you when you're laying you there in bed and you look up at the ceiling it's uh it's just yourself staring back at you and uh you're you're made up of the of the days that came before and nothing else so you can cry and change what all but you're not any different you're the same person it doesn't matter where you are out in the world you're still you and so these people are having to sit there at times especially those that don't you know there's these people in a relationship where they're now starting to real like well what kind of relationship do i really fucking have like what is this built upon or even sitting at home and people having to sit there and basically be in the mirror all day long with themselves and how many people are really how many people are really built upon the foundational tools of like fulfilling meaningful things like things that I here I don't want to die tomorrow today not even five years from now not 10 hell if given the chance I would fucking live a thousand years if I could because I think that this world is so fucking amazing that there is there I don't think I could learn all the languages eat all the foods even the ones I don't like see all the mountains all the architecture meet all the people all the cultures all the fucking everything that exists in this just glorious fucking amazing place I don't know that I feel sad that my life can't go on long enough to know these things and but I've lived such a life to this point there are things that 10 year old me would just have just fucking had an aneurysm thinking that this was ever going to be the way his life turned out considering what an outcasted you know pushed aside bullied fucked with you know really sort of twisted up a confused young lad and getting to where I am now and I can leave this place and die and my life has been all fucking great I've I've I'm fulfilled I live because I want to experience things I want to create more I want to do more with my life but my life has been great enough it's been great I've had all the things that I need that are essential in life that's success that's real success yes now it's hard to It is very hard to find, but getting through all the adversity and coming out on the other end better for it.

[2254] Yeah, I'm more concerned, like in an ensign in a way, I want to die right.

[2255] I think more about that, you know, or like the Stoics, how to, you know, I want to die right.

[2256] I want to go to Valhalla.

[2257] I don't want to die a pathetic way from living an epic life.

[2258] That's more of a concern in terms of death.

[2259] But otherwise, no, death is there.

[2260] Death is coming.

[2261] Death's alongside me. Death's riding in the car with me everywhere I go.

[2262] And that's fine.

[2263] He's a good fucking wingman.

[2264] That's great.

[2265] Well, there's that energy that comes with death that makes life so exciting.

[2266] If you were immortal, it'd be like playing God mode in a video game.

[2267] It's not exciting.

[2268] No. Have you ever played God mode in video games?

[2269] You know I fucking have.

[2270] Hey, you got Carmac on here, right?

[2271] And so I fucking played.

[2272] Doom scared me as a kid.

[2273] When we're like my friend's like check this shit out.

[2274] You know, it was like a fucking secret drug deal.

[2275] Like popping the little discs in the library computers.

[2276] We're like, okay, okay, what's this.

[2277] Oh, you know, it was just, what a freak out.

[2278] Yeah, I play God mode in video games.

[2279] Yeah.

[2280] It's terrible because you can't die.

[2281] Nope.

[2282] For people don't know what we're talking about.

[2283] When you play God mode, you have unlimited ammo and you can't die.

[2284] Yeah, you can't die.

[2285] You're invincible, yeah.

[2286] It ruins the game.

[2287] It's thrilling.

[2288] But a video game where you're playing in God mode is terrible.

[2289] And the reason why, because there's no consequence.

[2290] It's the same thing as life.

[2291] There's no risk.

[2292] If there's no risk, if there's no struggle, there's no overcoming.

[2293] And, you know, it's like I always say, like I always say, I have this concept of human entropy that all humans without proper suffering and overcoming to use some, just some, you know, some generic words, obviously from a Nietzschean perspective, you just go to your lowest state of energy.

[2294] And people are all, all things in the universe.

[2295] are subject to entropy and humans are no different.

[2296] And so obviously we experience entropy and that our bodies break down and obviously we have cellular degradation and things like that.

[2297] But we can spiritually degrade.

[2298] And if we don't have proper overcoming, if we don't have a certain kind of suffering in our life or agitation, we don't grow.

[2299] Agitation is a great way of put it.

[2300] Agitation is a great, yeah.

[2301] And I'm also a big fan of Heidegger, so like being towards.

[2302] towards death, knowing that this is inescapable.

[2303] Stop trying to look for anything to alleviate the burden of your own death and the responsibility of your own creation of an authentic life.

[2304] Because at the end of the day, you can do all these different fucking things.

[2305] You can change your mind.

[2306] You can become this kind of an fucking ideological, you're a communist, or you're an alt -ride, or you're this, or you're that.

[2307] You can create all these little things.

[2308] you can be a Christian or a Catholic or whatever, right?

[2309] You can, if you're using these things to replace your ownership of authenticity and the carrying the burden of your own being in the world, then eventually, regardless of all this shit that you do, when you're laying in bed at night and you're looking up at that fucking ceiling, you know that you're a fucking fraud and that you have offload, you've tried to offload something that you can't get rid of.

[2310] Yes, yes.

[2311] 100 % well put.

[2312] I tell people don't ever seek comfort, seek clarity and seek improvement.

[2313] You're not going to, comfort sucks.

[2314] Comfort's great for a couple hours if you want to chill and watch a movie.

[2315] But comfort as a lifestyle is bullshit.

[2316] It's like you're not going to get any improvement.

[2317] You need to be tested.

[2318] That term agitation is excellent.

[2319] How far did you start shooting arrows at to practice?

[2320] Well, I was really fortunate that I was taught by great people.

[2321] You know, Cam Haynes taught me and, you know, he had me. be probably like 15 yards of first practicing 10 15 yards and now where do you shoot at well in here I shoot at 45 yards but I have a range at the house that goes to 85 yards but you had to get there yeah you know I went shooting yesterday and uh pistols pistols and you know I can I can put some groups together and honestly part of that's because you know the the pistols I'm using are fucking they're accurate enough to do it it's it's not them it's me and I like to to you know, go not to shoot shit at 10 yards and 6 yards, like, okay, well, 10 yards is fine or whatever, but unless I'm doing a specific motion -derived drill, I don't, whatever, man, I can hit center mass and I can hit a head all the time.

[2322] I don't care about that.

[2323] I want to, I keep pushing it out as far as I can go in the end of the range.

[2324] Yeah, well, because I want to get better.

[2325] And, you know, I bring it back in.

[2326] I'm like, it's not, it's not good enough.

[2327] And I've been shooting my old a 44 AutoMag as much as I can recently, especially they're starting to make new ones.

[2328] They're going to re -re -develop, revamp, and re -put this fucking thing out there.

[2329] And I'm like, oh, yes, thank God I can get new parts.

[2330] That's a fucking cannon.

[2331] It's great.

[2332] It's the original cartridge was made by taking like a 30 -0 -608, a rifle cartridge.

[2333] You put it in a base block and you cut it down to size.

[2334] You ream it, flare it, and then you make your ammunition out of that using a 0 .4.

[2335] 429 caliber bullet.

[2336] I reload.

[2337] Oh, do you really?

[2338] Yeah, I'm a reloader.

[2339] I grew up reloading, shooting, hunting, fishing, all that kind of stuff.

[2340] So when you shoot rounds, you save your shells?

[2341] If it's 44 AutoMag, yes.

[2342] Or 475, Wilde, or any of these kind of wildcat weird things that I shoot.

[2343] Yeah, I reload.

[2344] But if it's just 45, it's cheaper to just buy whatever, you know, regular shoot -em -up ammo.

[2345] But you probably get a satisfaction of the reloading, right?

[2346] Oh, 100%.

[2347] Because, again, it's the being involved in the process.

[2348] and the creating part of it.

[2349] And one of the things why I love my automag so much is because, well, one, I'm a fucking weirdo.

[2350] So if everybody says, hey, do the easy thing, no, I want to do the weird and odd thing.

[2351] I want to go, no, why do Jiu -Jitsu and you can catch wrestling, right?

[2352] Why use a manual or an automatic transition?

[2353] Yeah, when I use a manual.

[2354] Why use an iPhone?

[2355] So, you know, for me it was, yeah, let's buy this gun made in 1970, and it has an incredibly rare amount of spare parts available and reloading data.

[2356] and all this stuff.

[2357] Like, yeah, sure, I'm game.

[2358] Yeah, I'll do it.

[2359] A lot of kick, too, right?

[2360] It's not that bad, actually.

[2361] I mean, it kicks pretty substantial, but I've seen women shoot them with no problem.

[2362] But, you know, I learned to the point of taking the, in fact, I dislocated my shoulder fighting crow cop.

[2363] So I couldn't work on my cobra, my Mustang, and I couldn't even drive it at the time.

[2364] I was like, well, this blows.

[2365] What can I do?

[2366] All right.

[2367] Well, when my arm's in a sling, I'm going to take this my auto mag apart and completely take it down to the frame, have the frame be blasted, put it all back together.

[2368] And then I was on this forum.

[2369] So I'm talking with this legendary Pistallero, rest in peace, Lee Juris, who is famous for creating these custom badass automags and like taking antelope with auto mags at like 200, 300 yards.

[2370] Really?

[2371] Yeah.

[2372] He's bonkers.

[2373] He is so incredible.

[2374] That's a crazy shot.

[2375] Chatting with this fucker.

[2376] Yeah.

[2377] Well, I mean, or he could use sticks and free hand or whatever.

[2378] Like the guy is like one of the great American pistol shooters.

[2379] Wow.

[2380] And so, uh, I'm sitting there just chatting with this guy on direct message on fucking forums.

[2381] And he's like, yeah, okay, well, when you're going to, if you want to slick this action up, here's, here's the type of compound I would use.

[2382] Here's this.

[2383] You know, here's the places.

[2384] And so here I am.

[2385] Just fucking away playing around on this little, this tinkering around on this piece.

[2386] And I'll put my gun back together.

[2387] and take, go it out and shoot it, and it's just fucking cloverleafs things.

[2388] And it's, you know, it's brilliant.

[2389] But it's also the brilliant that regardless whether it's pistols or what, it doesn't matter the thing.

[2390] You're learning.

[2391] You're putting yourself in the position to where, okay, well, you're going to make mistakes.

[2392] And now you're part of that creative process.

[2393] By being as involved in the whiskey, it means that much more to me. But I also don't know any other way to do it.

[2394] Like I probably could have had someone make that playlist for Spotify for me or just thrown in a few tracks and then just use the recommendation at the bottom Yeah, but it wouldn't be all that weird, obscure fucking death shit that you like It wouldn't be dissection, yeah, it wouldn't be Melvins are in there, the Bronx, all kinds of great shit guys who likes bands that I've never heard of Yeah, I bet you'd like the Bronx I know you'd like the Bronx.

[2395] I'm sure.

[2396] They're not a death metal band What are they?

[2397] They're a hardcore punk band out of LA Okay And you would like them Oh, okay, send me a text message Fuck yeah Let's do it I will, I will, I will But it's just being involved in the process and starting from not knowing anything and then that overcoming, man. Yeah, I can't agree more, man. I love learning shit and I love doing new things.

[2398] I love being a beginner.

[2399] I think being a beginner is like really rewarding.

[2400] And I think that as you get better in things where you're just starting out in these things, I really feel like it enhances everything you do.

[2401] I think it just adds an edge to your mind.

[2402] And as a person who does this for a living or I talk to people for a living, I think it's crucial because if I just did the same thing over and over and over again, I'd be, I would have, I wouldn't have any frame of references.

[2403] I wouldn't have any interest in, like, it fuels my curiosity, which is I think one of the most important parts of what I do.

[2404] I have to be curious.

[2405] And I just happen to be, which is why it worked out in the first place to do a podcast, but it's fueled by doing new things.

[2406] well and your podcast like anything else anybody does we'll take on evolution and one of the things that i would say in regards to you is the way people talk about you to me says more about them than it ever says about you and when i have someone uh let's say you know respond and and take a bunch of uncharitable takes i'm like oh you actually don't fucking pay attention to you you're really not listening you're not listening at all you don't understand anything that what joe's creating here you have no clue and you're telling me not about joe at all you're only telling me about yourself and i just through everything you do that opportunity for new pathways new growth better understanding what is it the maya angelo quote uh we do the best we can and when we know better we do better and that's a really simple way of looking at things but when we know better we can do better.

[2407] When we know better, whether we do better, we can just do differently sometimes.

[2408] And seeing the progress of this podcast, like I told you, I talk to people from the Internet dark web.

[2409] Now, I talk to the IDW guys.

[2410] I talk to Dr. So, I talk to James Lindsay.

[2411] I talk to Eric Weinstein.

[2412] I've been to dinner with Eric.

[2413] And there's probably other people I'll meet through this.

[2414] And for me, it's just I want to be exposed to all these people's ideas and thoughts and these conversations, especially when they're going to be in areas of expertise.

[2415] I'm not an expert.

[2416] Yeah, it's fascinating.

[2417] And for me, it's very valuable to be able to get those people's thoughts and yours as well, to get them out to the world.

[2418] I think it's very beneficial.

[2419] And I think for a guy like you, it's very beneficial because they look at you.

[2420] And again, if they looked at you on the outside, they go, oh, the youngest ever fucking UFC heavyweight champion has got some shit.

[2421] shit to say, get a fuck out of here.

[2422] I get a lot of this.

[2423] Of course.

[2424] I'm so surprised that, you know, I really didn't expect this, that, or the other.

[2425] I'm like, well, okay.

[2426] Yeah, well, that's just preconceived notions.

[2427] And it's also, it's more comforting for someone to look at a barbarian like you and say, well, he's got to be dumb.

[2428] And then when you're not, then they'll try to diminish whatever salient points you've had.

[2429] And that's, again, it says more about them than it does really about you.

[2430] I've seen it on Twitter where they're like, oh, well, you could, you know, what a dummy you are.

[2431] Clearly you've been hitting the head too much.

[2432] They love to do that.

[2433] People love to do that.

[2434] But that's, that's also the sign of a loser.

[2435] Of course it is.

[2436] It's a sign of someone that doesn't actually want to engage in anything in good faith.

[2437] It's also they don't want other people to be good at things.

[2438] They don't like it.

[2439] They don't like exceptional people.

[2440] Of course.

[2441] And I could have said, I feel like personally that I've, something I've had to deal with in my life is that I think that there was, or is maybe even instill this idea, this construct of what I'm supposed to be and how successful or what have you, I'm, I should be, right?

[2442] And if I exceed that, people get pissed that I'm somehow doing something in a way that they don't think I should be or that I'm getting notoriety in a way they They don't, I'm, no, no, no, you're not supposed to be that person.

[2443] Now, you're supposed to be this and only this.

[2444] And if you exceed that, fuck you for, for not being what I want you to be.

[2445] And what they don't understand is that that's fucking them.

[2446] Of course it's them.

[2447] They don't understand that though.

[2448] They think that somehow or not, I mean, I don't mean that's them.

[2449] I mean, it's fucking them over.

[2450] Yes.

[2451] That mindset is fucking them.

[2452] It's, it's, when you want someone to do poorly, You're exposing the flaws in your own thinking, exposing your own personal weakness.

[2453] It's super unhealthy.

[2454] And I used to have it, man. I used to want comedians to fail when I first started doing it.

[2455] I used to want people to get their ass kicked when I first started doing martial arts.

[2456] I used to want that because I was a weak person, but I realized it.

[2457] And I said, oh, this is a trap.

[2458] I have this thing where I am fearful that I'm not.

[2459] rising to the level of my full potential.

[2460] And so I want other people to fail.

[2461] So that where you're at at this point can then still can be the new peak.

[2462] Yeah, well, somehow or another.

[2463] You're only halfway up the mountain.

[2464] As long as nobody gets higher than that.

[2465] It's good enough.

[2466] Yeah.

[2467] Yeah.

[2468] And I realized that when I was like 21.

[2469] And I really, I remember real distinctly the time period when I recognized it.

[2470] I just recognized that I had a deep flaw in the way I was looking at things.

[2471] And I realized, like, oh, this is a, this is a weak.

[2472] And then, but once I recognize it as a weakness, it was impossible to embrace it anymore.

[2473] Then I realized like, oh, okay, that feeling of discomfort that you get when looking at someone who's clearly better than you at stuff, that should be a blessing.

[2474] You should be happy that that person exists because that person is fuel.

[2475] That's going to motivate you to do better.

[2476] As long as you approach it with the right mentality, as long as you don't become a hater.

[2477] Haters are all losers.

[2478] There's no winners.

[2479] There's no winners that are haters.

[2480] And they don't even realize that every time they hate, they think they're getting you or getting that guy or taking her down or throwing these jabs out there and that it's going to work and make you feel bad.

[2481] What they don't realize is they're literally stealing time away from their own interests and loves.

[2482] They're caging themselves to be only as good as they are at that moment.

[2483] It's super dangerous.

[2484] It's really bad for you.

[2485] Yes.

[2486] And it's so intoxicating and so easy.

[2487] to fall into.

[2488] Well, nobody lies to themselves more than themselves.

[2489] Right.

[2490] And, uh, unfortunately, we are the best at finding every excuse we can to justify our position.

[2491] And it's just like, okay, I'm dealing with whatever from all this ideological poisoning and all this shit in my own home.

[2492] And yet, at the end of the day, instead of going out there and just being like, look at how terrible everything is and just taking a very surface level understanding just being like, well, it sucks.

[2493] And I'm going to tell you it sucks.

[2494] And I'm going to tell you that this person sucks and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[2495] But the reality is is that, okay, even the ideological stuff, it's not all bullshit.

[2496] Not everything is a lie.

[2497] And it wasn't necessarily created just to damage me. Like, stop making it all about myself.

[2498] And even then, it's also like, okay, if all you can do is say something bad about the person that you chose to be in a relationship with, then that says more about you than them.

[2499] to think that I would never be involved in somebody, with somebody, that I didn't love and enjoy.

[2500] And so to say that regardless of how things finished, that doesn't mean to sit there and say that that which was negative takes precedent over anything else is a really myopic way of viewing things.

[2501] And it's more or less, I would see it as a tool to narrow your focus into that which you you want to take precedent, which you, so you can, you can justify your, your grievance in this instead of saying, okay, well, I can have a real grievance, and that's totally acceptable and I can, I can create, I can justify it, I can show for the grievance itself, but this wasn't only a grievance.

[2502] The whole thing itself isn't nothing but grievance.

[2503] It isn't nothing but bad.

[2504] If it is, then it's on your fucking ass.

[2505] Yep.

[2506] That's it.

[2507] Seek clarity, kids.

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[2513] And it is available in some liquor stores.

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[2524] Hell yeah.

[2525] All right.

[2526] Thanks, brother.

[2527] I appreciate you, man. I love being here.

[2528] Always a pleasure.

[2529] Bye, everybody.

[2530] I always get, you know,