#828 - Duncan Trussell

[0] How do you know it went live?

[1] I trust this guy.

[2] You just sense it when it happens?

[3] He tells me. Oh.

[4] He gives me a countdown.

[5] Oh, okay, I see.

[6] He gives me a countdown and then he does this.

[7] Oh, that's cool.

[8] I'm trying to bring that back when you see people and you like them.

[9] You give them the double guns.

[10] It's a hard sell these days.

[11] Why?

[12] Everybody's scared of guns.

[13] Oh, you're saying it's a gun.

[14] People don't think it's funny.

[15] You know, like if the odds of you doing it, you have to do it within a certain amount of time from a mass shooting right like you couldn't do it the day of it couldn't be like a columbine you're like don't get people are like wow he's so morose what a fucked up sense of human that guy's got he's making fun day off how could you why it's not funny to him that is not I can't believe you're fucking doing those signs dude can I sit down and talk to you for a second bro don't you think it's time it's time to really talk about using these gun gestures because Honestly, I know it's not really hurting anybody, but we have to pay respect to the people who have lost their lives from these terrible weapons.

[16] And I just think we should remove it for real.

[17] You just show me the replacement emoji.

[18] Apple has a new emoji.

[19] They got rid of a pistol and they turned into a water gun.

[20] I'll tell you, man, every time I looked at that old pistol emoji, and this is no joke when I used to look at it, it just filled me with a desire to go shoot up a fucking shopping mall, that emoji.

[21] So I'm glad they got rid of it Me, it made me want to go back to the Old West I wanted to be like a cowboy Maybe if they had shopping Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Apple adds more gender -diverse emojis in iOS 10 Please explain it I just Googled new emoji to find the water piston And this is what came up first?

[22] Yeah, how dare you?

[23] How dare you bring this up?

[24] 100 new and redesigned emoji characters, including No More Guns Oh, female athletes Okay, that's cool That's cool Oh so, okay Gender Diverse All right I'm a little too high for the show I was thinking gender neutral There we go Look at those beutes Those are some sweet new emojis That's actually cool Nothing wrong with that Emoges are weird It's weird when like friends Start sending you emojis Because like for the longest time Guys never sent emojis No way And now it's happening I love them man And what a useful fucking thing.

[25] The animated gifts and the emojis, praise God in heaven.

[26] It's so great.

[27] It saves so much time.

[28] It gets across so much more.

[29] Language is so limited, man. We have to like, it really is.

[30] I think we're going to hieroglyphs.

[31] What do you, eventually, yeah.

[32] I think that's what these emojis are.

[33] Yeah, right.

[34] I think there are a modern version of hieroglyphs.

[35] That's right.

[36] Yeah.

[37] They articulate so much, you know, that's like a very efficient form of language.

[38] It just needs to get a little deeper so that the emojis are animated a little bit.

[39] So you can sort of tune in the emoji to the specific thing you're trying to convey to somebody instead of just the smiley face, which they have on the Apple Watch, you can kind of like, you can control it a little bit, the smiley face emoji.

[40] You just need to be able to dial it in a little bit more.

[41] Do you think by limiting, like by keeping it more open -ended, right?

[42] like instead of having a bunch of like descriptives nouns and verbs and things like that instead of that having more of an open -ended idea like a smiley face yeah like a smiley face uh and then knuckles which is like yo give me some knuckles i'll see you later yeah you know what i mean like you can kind of like keep it in this weird non -defined state like we both know what it is yeah but it's not it's not written anywhere yeah and it relieves you you of having to like compose some sentence do i use an exclamation mark here should i use a comma what do i need to say i just want to i'm going to see him in like 20 minutes it's way easier to do like an alien head a thumbs up and a smiley face that says everything it's fun too yeah yeah it's fun when someone sends you like an alien head and then a pile of shit and you're like what the hell's that mean how do i decipher this but yeah it's a it's a It's such a, it's such a wonderful emerging language.

[43] It just needs to get animated.

[44] And, you know, the animated gifts are amazing for really going deep into how you're feeling.

[45] Some of them are awesome.

[46] Yeah.

[47] They're fantastic.

[48] They're fantastic.

[49] It's so fun to send those things, man. Well, memes, I mean, like, internet memes, really funny ones, are really like a new kind of comedy.

[50] It's like a short, it's like these are jokes.

[51] These are like punchlines, but sometimes better than someone's saying anything because you're seeing it.

[52] Right.

[53] Like Tom Segura had one on his page today with his face.

[54] And it's, there's a popular one that keeps going around.

[55] When you nut, but she keeps sucking.

[56] Look at Tom Sigurras.

[57] I mean, this is in no way saying that he invented this because this is, I think he'd be the first admit.

[58] he's he's piggybacking on a meme that we all know right right i don't know who wrote that first meme when you nut and she keeps sucking look at his face oh my god it's hilarious but this um this meme when you nut and she keeps sucking there's like fucking hundreds of them have you seen them like just google when you nut and she keep sucking and then go to images and you'd be like oh my god there's so many wow look at that dude there's hundreds of these like wow I would like to know the percentage I'd like to know the percentage of people who have created these that have never gotten a blowjob I wonder what it is like 15 20 that's a good one that's Superman was a good one it's funny because you could put that on faces all throughout history, you know?

[59] Chimp!

[60] Oh, my God!

[61] And there's also versions of it.

[62] How you be when you bust, but she keeps sucking or she's still sucking?

[63] This guy's playing the cello when you finish, but she keeps sucking.

[64] There's so many of them.

[65] That might be like one of the most persistent jokes currently on the internet.

[66] Oh, my God, is a Bill Cosby one.

[67] Oh, look, they've got the one of the Indian guy died during a speech, had a stroke.

[68] Yeah.

[69] That guy just died.

[70] Oh, I saw that on the internet.

[71] Is that what happened?

[72] Yeah.

[73] He had a stroke as he was speaking?

[74] Yes.

[75] Whoa.

[76] See, look, you can look right before in the related images.

[77] Whoa.

[78] That's incredible.

[79] Right before, in the universe, out of the universe.

[80] Whoa.

[81] In out.

[82] And he died right there?

[83] Yeah, I think, well, I mean, depends on how you define death.

[84] Oh, goodbye.

[85] Out of here.

[86] The best death.

[87] That is crazy.

[88] best death.

[89] That's one of the best deaths.

[90] You're witnessing, like, he just made a great point that he thinks is kind of funny, and then he dies.

[91] God.

[92] Wow.

[93] A blessed exit from this incarnation.

[94] That is a crazy image.

[95] Who is that guy?

[96] Do you know who he is?

[97] Nope.

[98] How'd you find him, Jamie?

[99] Just from the stack?

[100] Yeah.

[101] That's a crazy story.

[102] Who, like, it's so funny.

[103] When he died, he guaranteed did not think he would land in a when you nut and she could keep sucking meme, that the power of his death, that he would shatter into a million things.

[104] And one of them is a meme.

[105] Well, here's the thing about these memes.

[106] There's guys who are like meme artists, and they're really, really funny.

[107] And then there's also people that they kind of like Carvos Mencia memes.

[108] Oh, yeah.

[109] You know?

[110] I probably should stop using that guy's name like that.

[111] It's rude.

[112] What's really sad is everyone knows what that means.

[113] Yeah.

[114] When you, there was just, someone just tweeted that there's a, there's a product in the UK that stole Mitch Hedberg's joke.

[115] It's a rice product that has just written in the back his joke, like when you want to eat rice, when you want to eat 2 ,000 of the same things or whatever.

[116] They like just pop that right on the back, but they didn't.

[117] Credit him, they credited the name of their mascot for the company.

[118] Well, it's a problem with memes, because people do it all the time.

[119] Like, there's people that have pages, whether all their memes or someone else's that they don't give credit for.

[120] Right.

[121] And then they get caught, and then they have to start retweeting stuff.

[122] But sometimes you retweet the wrong person.

[123] You know, you retweet someone who just copied it from somebody else.

[124] Yeah.

[125] I've had that happen more than once.

[126] you don't know but they're funny so it's like what do you do you just retweet it because you think it's funny and you laugh or should you hold on to it until you can find ownership of the meme yeah I mean it's a good question right it's a good I think if you can give credit give credit but if we spend too much time getting caught up in meme distribution then we're going to lose what is so beautiful about the thing which is that I create some meme upload it to the internet and it either like just mold on Imger or whatever, or it just scatters in a trillion pieces everywhere.

[127] There's something really cool and beautiful in that.

[128] And I don't think meme transmitters are thieves, mostly.

[129] There's just a few scumbags who take people's shit and don't credit them, and then they get punished.

[130] Usually they get punished by the internet and severely.

[131] Absolutely.

[132] But there have been a bunch of people that have done it and they're now making money off of it.

[133] Yeah, that's where it gets weird.

[134] Yeah.

[135] Because there's a bunch of people that are just really funny, and maybe they're introverts, and they never were really good at cracking jokes socially because they're nervous, but they're funny.

[136] They have a funny mind.

[137] Yes.

[138] And so this is a form of joke writing and joke telling.

[139] Yeah.

[140] A really good one, too.

[141] So somebody had to be the first person to come up with when she, you know, when you come, but she keeps sucking.

[142] Someone has to be, so this is like this massive plagiarism.

[143] that we're all laughing at.

[144] Yeah, but, you know...

[145] Is that what it is?

[146] I don't think...

[147] I mean, how do you...

[148] Like, that guy deserves credit because he is funny, right?

[149] The guy who invented it first?

[150] Yeah, that's a funny guy.

[151] Like, that was a good idea.

[152] It's funny.

[153] He definitely deserves credit for it.

[154] So I know what you're saying, but then eventually you're going to...

[155] Like, I guess you can watermark your meme, right?

[156] Like, he could have watermarked that you see that sometimes, but eventually the watermark is going to get taken off.

[157] because you know your people are putting in new picks well yeah it's i mean the second one is there's hundreds of different images so like you could never watermark that and what's very funny about it is the take the word come for example there was a first human who for whatever reason decided to call his ejaculation come he just decided on who the fuck was that guy there's first that's a huge point because it's that's universal it's universal yeah it's How do you trace it back?

[158] I mean, every single word that a human being uses, theoretically, you could follow it backwards through time in the same way you follow any organic life form.

[159] You can, it's called etymology.

[160] You can look at the weird way that language mutates over time.

[161] And you know that somewhere way, way back in the back of the line, there had to be somebody who's like, we'll call it a mountain or whatever the precursor term for mountain was.

[162] Somebody was like, it's a little not.

[163] Someone does that, right?

[164] Has to, right?

[165] Has to, someone.

[166] Isn't that the idea that at one point in time, we all had a universal language, but it became a giant issue because people were sort of conspiring.

[167] And they were talking too much.

[168] So one of the ways that God had separated us, I might be butchering this story.

[169] You're talking about the Tower of Babel.

[170] Yeah.

[171] They wanted to construct a tower to reach heaven.

[172] and God was I guess like fuck that it's like when ants get in your house or whatever they're getting too advanced do you think that's a reverse engineered idea like do you think that someone who maybe has experienced like brief moments of human potential and realized like we're missing out on what people are capable of there's got to be a way where we could all come together excuse me but when there's people from one country like Japan and they're arguing with someone from Germany and how much of what they're the fuck each person is saying is even getting through yeah you know i mean you're having translators you're supposed to be going to war with people you don't even understand what they're saying right right imagine that yeah we could all speak to each other we all could speak one language yeah what would happen what i mean isn't that like maybe what that tower of babbles all about sort of like a reverse engineered yeah well it's with the like almost saying like the imagine the power the godlike power people could have if they could all openly and honestly communicate with each other freely and experience this idea that we're not, we're not, you're not my enemy because you're born over there.

[173] Right.

[174] Like this is nonsense.

[175] This is some crazy old shit that we should have abandoned a long time ago.

[176] You are looking in the Bible, those stories.

[177] One thing that I just did, I'm so glad you brought this up, just for fun.

[178] One of my favorite in the New Testament, my favorite gospel is the book of John in the very beginning of the book of John is some of the trippiest shit you'll ever read.

[179] But I went back to that, and so I did a find and replace.

[180] Anyone can do this.

[181] It's so cool.

[182] Find and replace the word God with the programmer.

[183] And then you can start replacing words with modern day simulation theory ideas.

[184] So, you know, when it talks about Jesus, it's like he was sent into the simulation to bring an upgrade.

[185] and those that accepted the upgrade would be children of the programmer.

[186] You start doing that, and suddenly you look at this, like, amazing, it gets really trippy, right?

[187] So when you talk about the Tower of Babel, and you look at it from the perspective of this is a simulation being run by some intelligent creator force, right?

[188] Right.

[189] So you see again and again, well, not again and again and right now I can think of two times where the programmer looks at the simulation is like, oh, shit.

[190] They're about to wake up.

[191] Like the same way that Elon Musk is worried about AI becoming too powerful, in the Bible, the programmer gets really fucking uncomfortable when the simulation appears to be gaining too much power and has to like shift the programming a little bit because there appears to be some kind of, in the mythology of the Bible, there seems to be a recurring nervousness that the programmer gets, when it seems like the simulation is about to reach some certain level of power or awareness.

[192] This is, in the book of Genesis, they say, you know, they ate at the tree of knowledge of good and evil, gained self -awareness, and there was another tree they weren't supposed to eat from the tree of life.

[193] And the God says, it's weird because in the Quran and in the Bible, it's referred to as like the plural rather than the singular.

[194] So God doesn't, the verse is something like, you know, If they eat from the tree of life, they will become like us, right?

[195] Not like me, like us.

[196] So there's like, we can't keep these, we have to keep these beings somewhat curtailed because we don't know what they're going to do if they gain too much power.

[197] That's in the mythology of the thing.

[198] And it kind of works from the simulation theory perspective.

[199] If we're a simulation that's on the precipice of a kind of singularity, which would be the simulation somehow becoming self -aware, then for whatever reason, whoever's running the show doesn't want that to happen or hasn't wanted it to happen throughout time, you know?

[200] Well, it's also, if you're talking about eating from the tree of life and becoming like them, I mean, that is about as psychedelic as you can get.

[201] You're literally talking about eating something and becoming a god.

[202] Yeah.

[203] You're talking about eating from the tree.

[204] Like, what is the tree of life?

[205] Everybody's like, oh, whatever.

[206] Yeah.

[207] It's a tree.

[208] It's, you know, what?

[209] God there was trees back then sure like this if you're a literal believer of the Bible you have to think that there was not just an experience where God showed up right not just this this this thing that happened where God came down he spoke to you and elevated you no you're saying people shouldn't eat from a tree oh yeah because they could become a god yeah I mean that's kind of where if you're translating stuff from ancient Hebrew to Greek to Latin to all these different languages to English, you know that there's some weird shit being lost along the way.

[210] And one of them is probably calling it a tree.

[211] Right.

[212] Because we didn't even know there's a fucking amazing radio lab out.

[213] It's out right now.

[214] It's about trees and the intelligence of trees and that trees communicate and that they share resources and that they allocate resources toward the needier ones.

[215] Yeah.

[216] They have this interaction with fungus, this symbiotic relationship with fungus it is fucking incredible man where the fungus are eating these microscopic bugs and getting their nutrients from these microscopic bugs and that's where the trees are getting their nutrients from and some of them get them from from salmon there's trees that were like they got 70 % of their nitrogen from salmon because bears would eat under these trees they would eat and they would leave like fish heads under the trees and like the bears would continue to return to these same trees.

[217] and these trees would eat the fucking fish.

[218] The fungus inside their soil and the mycorrhizal relationship that they have, it's amazing, man. It's amazing.

[219] Dude, they're all life form that we are sleeping on.

[220] Yeah.

[221] Plants, like, and this is not a dig against anybody who's a vegetarian or anyone on the other end of the spectrum that only eats meat.

[222] Take the ideologies out, because everybody knows that I eat meat or everybody that.

[223] listen to this podcast and I've had issues with people for that are proselytizing vegans.

[224] Yeah.

[225] I understand that you're doing it for a good reason.

[226] And then you're doing it for the right purposes.

[227] And I'm happy for everybody that is living their life that way.

[228] If you're enjoying it and you're healthy, let's all just let that go.

[229] Just look at this for a second.

[230] Forget about what you're eating.

[231] What plants are is some strange, intelligent network of organisms.

[232] And when I say intelligent, I don't say, can fucking do math.

[233] I'm not saying it can send emails and create fucking moon rockets, but they communicate with each other.

[234] There's something going on.

[235] They don't need to do all those other things.

[236] We defined intelligence far too frequently by what we have created and what we can do with our fingers and with our mouths and with our ability to communicate with each other audibly in a manner where I'm talking and you're hearing.

[237] And we don't respect other forms of communication because of this.

[238] We're so attached to our idea of what communicating is.

[239] We're ignoring some really basic shit with how these plants and these fungi communicate with each other.

[240] They're not just communicating with each other.

[241] They're sending signals.

[242] If one of them is getting eaten, they're sending signals through the air, and it's forcing the other plants to change the way they taste to discourage predation.

[243] They're communicating when they're hurt.

[244] Wow.

[245] Do they allocate resources to more needy plants?

[246] They find out who in the network is needy, and they allocate resources.

[247] This radio lab is fascinating.

[248] That's cool, man. They share resources with these microbes or with these fungus.

[249] And also because you were saying, well, they can't send emails.

[250] But if you look at, I mean, you separated the human biome somehow from the plant kingdom, which you can't do.

[251] We're completely connected to the plant kingdom because we need oxygen to live.

[252] So we are deeply, deeply woven into that fabric of intelligence that you're talking about to the point that we actually kind of grow out of that fabric of intelligence because we have a symbiotic relationship with plants just to exist on planet Earth.

[253] So you're talking about what is called, have you heard of the web of Indra?

[254] No. The web of Indra.

[255] It's also called the net of Indra or the web of Indra.

[256] And what is this from?

[257] This is Hinduism.

[258] So the idea is that a way to explain the sort of interconnectedness of all things is this like imagine like a web or a net where at every single nexus point there is a jewel.

[259] The jeweled net avengera, that's what it's called.

[260] So then now imagine that every creature on earth or in this universe that has any kind of sentience at all, composes a tiny little jewel on this net.

[261] And so this net is every jewel is connected via like whatever connects us to plants.

[262] Everything is connected that's alive, which means that any slight movement in any of these jewels creates a vibration that rolls through infinity, through the entire net of Indra, affecting all other sentient beings in some small way.

[263] It's basically the idea is any, there it is, the jeweled net of Endro.

[264] So anything that you do, it gets sort of vibrated through the rest of the thing.

[265] Anything that happens in the micro, macro happens in the macro, macro happens in the micro.

[266] It's a beautiful idea, man. And it seems like this new discovery that's come out about plants has in some way really shown a light on the complexity of that incredible net, you know, because it's so.

[267] complex because then it gets down to probably the quantum level too i mean if you think of the quantum reactions happening inside the plants to create these biochemical shifts it's startling when you imagine all the weird chemical and atomic movement that's happening inside of the thing itself it's overwhelmingly beautiful and hard to imagine that we get to be a piece of it which is pretty cool but the plants are sending email you know because we are the plants the plants are us the plants are affecting remember mckenna always talked about exoferamones remember that exoferamones you'd say that marro that plants have pheromones that they put out to like what you're saying to discourage predation bring in bees i like that i said predation like i'm smart it's a great word but the um uh so uh he would say that psychedelics marijuana DMT.

[268] These are exoferamones from the vegetable world.

[269] I can't do it.

[270] I can't impress you.

[271] But these are exoferamones coming into our biome and shifting our consciousness in a way to try to manipulate our behavior a little bit.

[272] And also, you know, all the stuff coming out of the gut biome too.

[273] Like, not only is there this flourishing vegetable kingdom that is like clearly alive and has its own alien intelligence but we've got fucking gut biomes filled with these bacteria that could theoretically be controlling our cravings right so we're being manipulated by these colonies of alien beings living in our guts telling us get another fucking candy bar man wouldn't that be good isn't that cool so true yeah it's so true there's this darkness inside you that want to that sugar.

[274] It's a little demon, a little demon that feeds off sugar.

[275] Well, it's a modern, it's a modern, it's a modern way of saying demonic possession.

[276] In the old days, you'd be like, you got a demon, motherfucker.

[277] Now it's like, well, your gut biome is craving carbohydrates to survive.

[278] Look, if you've got the plague, how is that any different than you being attacked by vampires?

[279] Right.

[280] Something's trying to kill you.

[281] We take comfort in the idea that it's some microscopic thing that we can't even see.

[282] Yeah.

[283] Because that makes you feel better.

[284] That looks a lot weirder than a fucking vampire, by the way.

[285] A lot weirder.

[286] It's not a well -dressed man with a cape and fangs.

[287] You're looking at some kind of strange, globular, transforming bit of plasma that's swimming around inside of you, actively trying to destroy you.

[288] He can't even see it.

[289] He can't even see it.

[290] We didn't even find them to, like, what?

[291] When did they invent microscopes, if you had to guess?

[292] 1800s?

[293] I couldn't guess that, and that's a sad thing.

[294] man i couldn't guess that let me i'm gonna guess i think brian callan was talking about this in relationship to them discovering bacteria with surgery oh no it was chris i think was chris ryan i think chris ryan might have been the first one i don't remember i'm giving people credit i'm not sure but um the idea was that they didn't know what what bacteria was for like a long time they didn't wash their hands and people died of horrible infections when they were able to do surgery on people it's like oh good The guy, so this is, I can't remember the guy's name.

[295] You maybe can find it, Jamie.

[296] It's the guy, he was, he realized, so doctors would apparently, they would, like, do autopsies on corpses to try to understand how the human body worked.

[297] It used to be illegal.

[298] It was like a big deal to cut open a corpse.

[299] So doctors were studying corpses, and apparently they didn't know you should wash your hands after you handle a corpse.

[300] So you would, like, fuck around with a corpse and then go deliver.

[301] a baby.

[302] Right?

[303] And the babies, there was a very high infant mortality rate.

[304] So I can't remember his name, but a doctor discovered, oh, wow, mind -blowing idea.

[305] You should wash your hands before you deliver a baby.

[306] And there it is.

[307] Yeah.

[308] He ended up in a fucking mental asylum because they weren't listening to him.

[309] And apparently a doctor said, gentlemen do not need to wash their hands.

[310] Oh my God.

[311] A gentleman.

[312] A gentleman does not wash his hands.

[313] A gentleman.

[314] A gentleman does not Because they're just innately clean.

[315] So yeah, man, people had no idea.

[316] They thought that your cum was filled with tiny little men, you know, like little humans were in there, like tiny little, yeah, yeah.

[317] Why did they think that until?

[318] Until the microscope, I imagine, until finally someone fucking came on a microscope.

[319] How long after the invention of the microscope did someone shoot a load on one?

[320] Three minutes!

[321] exactly how ever long it took to reach orgasm after building it well it's like we were talking about virtual reality we're like how long before they made a porn i mean when the moment they came up with oculus we we knew yeah it's a matter of time yeah matter of time and they did it and they did it and it is going to create some fucking hilarious earthquakes and a lot of different relationships and marriages because people are going to have to define whether or not fucking a hologram is a form of infidelity.

[322] Like you're going to have to make a rule for that in your relationship.

[323] Is it okay to fuck a hologram?

[324] Not alive.

[325] Not a person.

[326] But looks like it's fucking you.

[327] Looking you right in the eyes, right in the fucking eyes oh my god dude yeah it's pretty weird because your brain when a hologram is looking at you in the eyes in a loving way your brain doesn't reject it it's like oh wow I think this girl really likes me oh wait it's a hologram but in one millisecond you get this feeling of like strange connection which is and again we're in the most rudimentary parts of VR only apparently only I just read this at might have been a dated article, but only 100 ,000 people or so own an HTC Vive.

[328] If that's drastically off, you guys, I'm sorry, but not a lot of people have VR goggles right now.

[329] So not a lot of people, and there's a lot of us who are fucking ear -beating people at parties who clearly just don't want to hear about it anymore than you want to hear about someone talking about a dream.

[330] But there's a huge group of people right now that are having some of the most psychedelic, mind -bending experience.

[331] through technology, and they can't even talk about it or describe it to people, because when you describe it, it's like you're talking about a dream.

[332] But you're like, no, this is happening to a lot of us right now.

[333] We're going into alternate dimensions via technology and hanging out there, enjoying it, experiencing the freedom from the confines of being constantly, infinitely located in whatever physical space.

[334] your body happens to be inhabiting to suddenly remove that weight so now I can pop these things on and instantly translocate to some art universe that some geniuses created, fuck around, shoot arrows, wander through Minecraft, have sex with two girls who I was apparently going to throw out of my house if they didn't fuck me. That's what the porn is I have.

[335] Which, by the way, I'd never do that but in this universe i guess that's what i did yeah so they kind of rapey what it's not rapy it's just like please i don't have money for the rent can i suck your dick oh you know so it's her idea oh yeah you're not rape you're not raping so it's not like look you got you got to give up some pussy otherwise i'm kicking you the street you could say it if you want into the porn i mean you could say whatever you want wait a minute you have a microphone you have a microphone but you can talk to it if you want to be a weirdo is there but okay how long before you can talk to it how long before it talks back to you well that's you're gonna look you're looking at like so we got to figure out a way to either i mean i imagine that probably exists in some rudimentary way for some kind of cg i style porn but to be able to like instantaneously communicate with live video porn you're gonna need some kind of a i don't think we probably have just yet or we are probably on the but yes that will happen it's common oh that's definitely gonna happen i've watched ex machina again on the plane the other day.

[336] I watched it for the second time.

[337] Yeah, that's cool.

[338] It's just as good the second time.

[339] That movie freaks me out, man. Why?

[340] Because the girl's so beautiful and she's so, she's so attractive.

[341] Like, you know, that guy, you could see as much as he knew that she was a robot, as much as he knew that he wasn't a robot, as much as he knew that she was artificial.

[342] He was, he was in love with her.

[343] And she was amazing.

[344] And it seemed like she cared about him.

[345] And when she was talking to him for real, like when the lights went out and the camera was down, spoiler alert.

[346] And she was like, don't trust him.

[347] Yeah.

[348] I'm like, this is like a real person.

[349] It's a real person.

[350] She's thinking like a person.

[351] It's a person.

[352] Yeah.

[353] And he's like completely locked into this idea that it's a person.

[354] He's hypnotized.

[355] It's a person.

[356] I mean, I don't know.

[357] This whole distinction between artificial intelligence and intelligence is the same as the distinction between virtual reality and reality.

[358] It's just like another human attempt to be in control of something.

[359] You want to, you want to say, oh, I'll tell you, if this is a, is fucking reality or not.

[360] Oh, this is virtual reality.

[361] This isn't reality reality, but it's like, oh, really?

[362] So reality's compartmentalized into places where there's, if something is created by a human, oh, no, that's not real reality, even though humans are reality.

[363] Reality's reality, intelligence is intelligence.

[364] Because the intelligence is inhabiting something that isn't the human vessel.

[365] It goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

[366] What?

[367] Because it's not in a fucking meat body now it's artificial intelligence how it why intelligence is intelligence yeah and again I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier that we try to define intelligence by our own measures like the ability to write something down yeah the ability to move how about that we we have that inexorably connected to intelligence you have to be able to move to show me your thinking and communicating right like despite what what this woman was saying a scientist on this radio lab podcast is that she goes I don't want to say that they're she's like it's hard to say that if they're intelligent it's hard to say but what's going on is their network closely resembles a brain right the way it looks and also the way it's it's operating they it has neuron -like responses yeah there's there's data being passed back and forth right that we're just not we not you not me for sure we don't we're not doing any research but these people we are someone i'm saying we as in humans right they're just figuring this how to really recently.

[368] I think everything has a conscience, or a consciousness, rather.

[369] I think everything that you eat, and I think that, obviously, plants, for the most part are, like, way less violent than animals, you know?

[370] Like, when you're taking in plants, it's just sent, it, it seems to make sense that it would be, like, a more peaceful existence, like, the way you think about it.

[371] Like, you're just consuming plants.

[372] Like, look at all the animals that only can.

[373] consume plants.

[374] Right.

[375] They're all like really peaceful.

[376] Yes.

[377] But then the animals that consume animals and plants, they got to get dirty.

[378] Yes.

[379] Those animals get, and the ones that only meet, those are the scary ones.

[380] Yeah, you're right.

[381] Yeah, they've got, yeah.

[382] Well, it kind of makes sense.

[383] I mean, you need different tools for taking down a deer than you do for eating a piece of broccoli.

[384] Well, it's just, I think people are trying to like move away from the system that requires the violence and like a part of that the idea of that is to eat plants yeah because like even if you're eating a life form you're you're you're you're less involved in violent activity like if you're eating meat you're involved in violent activity right in some way even fish you're involved in some sort of violent activity those fish have to be they don't just instantaneously die they got to be yanked into another dimension beat over the head with wooden clubs thrown into ice chest where they'll flop and gasp for air until they finally go still.

[385] I mean, that's what happens when you eat fish.

[386] Man, you know, it is one thing that's very, that all this indicates is how there's so much compassion inside of human beings.

[387] Because whether you eat meat or whether you eat a vegetarian diet, if you're thinking about this, it's really cool.

[388] That's one of the cool things about us is that we have this sense of like, man, this does seem to be a violent thing that I'm doing here.

[389] I know this thing I'm eating has suffered to some degree that I would never want anyone I know to suffer or myself.

[390] So there's compassion there, man, and we want to live in a world where we don't hurt things.

[391] And if you do want to live in a world where you hurt things, well, then you're probably in a lot of pain yourself, right?

[392] But so then, but you get, this is, man, This is the fucking Bhagavad Gita, because the Bhagavad Gita starts with a warrior, Arjun, looking out on this fucking massive army and saying to God, the charioteer, I see my friends here.

[393] I see fathers and teachers and men that I respect.

[394] By killing them, don't I destroy my own soul?

[395] wouldn't it be better to go off into the forest and live as a renunciate than to gain all the wealth in the world, but to have the blood of my teachers on my hands?

[396] And this is the beginning of the Bhagavagia.

[397] And you would think, because it's one of Gandhi's favorite books, that the response would be, you're right, let's not kill, let's not fight.

[398] We're going to go in the woods.

[399] But the response, God says, you speak words of wisdom, but you do not understand.

[400] And that's the beginning of the Bhagavagita.

[401] That's where it starts is, here's why you fight.

[402] Here's why you have to kill sometimes.

[403] Here's why there is action in the universe that will result in pain and suffering.

[404] And this is, to me, the best, like, answer to all of this is when Krishna reveals his universal form is his cause, called, he becomes this monstrous thing.

[405] And Arjuna is describing what he's seeing.

[406] And this is the Oppenheimer quote.

[407] I am become death.

[408] Destroyer of worlds.

[409] And Arjuna is saying, I see in your teeth the limbs of all humans being chewed and eaten.

[410] You're consuming everything.

[411] You're eating everything.

[412] It's basically what he's saying.

[413] And then he says, can you please turn back into my friend?

[414] because it's so fucking intense to see that.

[415] And so the response is, okay, let's stop killing everything.

[416] But look, you're getting eaten by the universe, no matter what you do, you're being ground to dust by the force of time.

[417] There is no escape from this.

[418] You are in the digestive tract of a being that is gradually transforming you into nothingness, depending on what you want to believe, unless you think that there's some eternal perpetual soul, in which case the digestive system is freeing you from the terrible and limited enclosure of the human body.

[419] Either way, man, we are being shifted in a dramatic and beautiful way.

[420] And as that's happening to think that you can somehow not realize what you are, which is you are one of the digestive organs in the universe.

[421] You are devised.

[422] No matter what you do, man, you are completely wiping beings out of the universe at every single fucking second.

[423] If your immune system's working, those sweeties who burrowed into your fucking skin and gotten into your mucous membranes, you're wiping them out.

[424] Your blood cells are heartlessly fucking killing them.

[425] And then maybe you had an aunt on your counter.

[426] When you drove your car, I'd say there's a 60 % to 90 % chance.

[427] you probably ran over some tiny little fucking bug that was walking across the street.

[428] You can't live in this universe without killing things.

[429] And you too are being killed.

[430] So you're like in the digestive, you're like a little bit of stomach acid, helping to dissolve a steak.

[431] You're a little bit of the digestive process of the universe killing and outputting energy from that destruction.

[432] That's just what everything is, really.

[433] Not to like, justify a meat diet if you could become a vegetarian do it be a vegetarian if it draw if you're drawn to it it is a more peaceful thing well for sure factory farming is a giant issue for anybody with a conscience then when you get into other forms of acquiring meat then things get more complicated because if you're talking about hunting in particular that's not easy for everybody to do it's it's almost impossible for everybody to do um so then you would have to have ethical farming and then you'd have to decide what is ethical how to eat what is ethical i mean free range chickens yeah free range cows free range chickens um you know and you'd have to decide that there's a certain cycle of life involved here and then you're willing to take part in it for your own health you're going to decide i'd like this my body functions better on this so i'm going to i'm going to allow this to happen or or help it participate yeah help participate in it but um i think when you see a bear eat a salmon, that bear is not thinking for a fucking second about the feelings of that salmon.

[434] It's just holding it down and tearing it apart with no hesitation whatsoever.

[435] When we reap lettuce from the ground, are we doing a more complicated version of that?

[436] Are we pretending that this thing is this non -feeling, non -thinking thing?

[437] Because it doesn't move and it can't send emails.

[438] But is it possible that all these things that we call life, all these things, have a consciousness everything does squirrels people monkeys fucking alfalfa oh yeah all that shit it's yeah it's a this is what i was thinking as i've been doing vr having so many philosophical thoughts based on this incredible technology so this what i started thinking is the human all living things are like organic virtual reality goggles right so like a squirrel is a it's a is like a kind of virtual reality goggle that the universe is gazing through in the form of a squirrel's reality, right?

[439] So this consciousness, this intelligence, it's like an omnipresent force, and every living thing is like a faucet that its life is this intelligence coming through and expressing itself based on the energetic system of the particular conduit that it's coming through.

[440] So a living squirrel is a portal that is opened up to the intelligence of the universe temporarily.

[441] And when that intelligence flows through the squirrel, the way electricity runs through a motherboard, then it's animated, right?

[442] And so when the squirrel dies, that it's not as though the intelligence is gone.

[443] It's just that that particular conduit shuts while there's a billion other conduits in any biome filled with that.

[444] intelligence pouring through it and behaving according to the way, whatever the thing is that it's coming through.

[445] In the same way that if you have different AI programs with different codes, it's still processing the same energy.

[446] It's just the energy is being transformed based on whatever the specific system is.

[447] So when we eat meat, we're in a weird way eating the virtual reality goggles that something thing was that infinity was using to experience reality.

[448] And that reality that infinity was experiencing through the VR goggles that you're eating inside your bun was not a great fucking experience, you know.

[449] So composed in those, in that goggle, in that life form that you're eating, this is what the Hari Krishna say, is all the fear, all the terror, all the momentum of that being's life somehow gets encoded into the atomic structure of the meat that you're consuming.

[450] And so you take a little bit of that suffering into you and that degrades your life in some slight way.

[451] That totally makes sense.

[452] Totally makes sense.

[453] That there's something that gets through it.

[454] I mean, why would we assume that your diet isn't, I mean, if you're eating biological particles, why would we assume that they have no influence on us?

[455] like we would think that we just not i just i broke it down to protein yeah water and that's it there's no no chicken suffering in there at all no no way not a not a trace of it but why not a dull a dullness just a dull chicken suffering that you get in your mouth yeah just a i don't know what it is it's delicious chicken but there's an undertone of existential horror in my chicken a waxy film in the inside of your mouth yeah just chicken sadness yeah Man, I can remember, like, when I was a kid, we didn't fucking, you know, like, you kind of knew the animals who were like, people just were a lot, like, I'm reading, fucking listening to the audiobook, rather, of Moby Dick, the Frank Mueller narration.

[456] You ever read that book?

[457] No. Who's Frank Mueller?

[458] Frank Mueller is the guy, is the VO actor who narrated the Dark Tower series by Stephen King, and he is the best.

[459] And so there's no way I'm fucking reading Moby Dick, but listening to someone who understands what he's reading helps you understand it.

[460] Because he puts the inflection in the right place.

[461] The inflections are in the right place.

[462] And he's clearly some kind of super genius who just gets Moby Dick.

[463] And he understands every single fucking passage that Melville endlessly writes about the very, the deepest details of whales, man. Melville fucking loved whales.

[464] And the book, it is like a sort of portal into before they knew that whales were mammals, right?

[465] So, you know, they thought they were fucking fish, Leviathan, right?

[466] Isn't that funny that we make that distinction?

[467] Let's talk about that.

[468] Like, if they're fish, fuck them.

[469] Oh, they're mammals.

[470] They're us.

[471] Right, right, right.

[472] We can't do that.

[473] We got weird teams.

[474] We got teams we're on.

[475] Okay, so I'll answer to that.

[476] If, to use the virtual reality goggle example, let's imagine there's like 15 different virtual reality goggles on the table that represent a kind of spectrum of technological advancement.

[477] So here we've got a I don't know, remember in the old days you used to have those like those stupid viewfinders you could flip through and look at okay.

[478] So on one side we have a viewfinder and on the other side we've got some shit that doesn't even exist yet.

[479] Some neural interface.

[480] You put it on a harmonic, magnetic field interacts with your brain and you not only go into a location, but you experience the memories, emotions, thoughts, and dreams of the avatar within the game.

[481] You literally become the figure.

[482] That's on the other side of the spectrum, right?

[483] So here we have this sort of like spectrum of potential experience.

[484] I think it would be safe to say that the experience of a broccoli, right, just based on the tech in there versus the experience of like, like a, I don't know, a fucking MIT student, genius, who's, like, healthy.

[485] I'd say that you could say that there's varying levels of experience as to what is being experienced.

[486] Who's to say?

[487] Now that I say it, I think I'm totally wrong.

[488] I'm sorry for the rant.

[489] I guess at the very end of it, some part of me is like, just shut up, man. That's wrong.

[490] That's not it.

[491] So forgive me, you guys.

[492] I try with that one.

[493] It flopped in my own brain.

[494] They don't all land.

[495] They don't all land.

[496] If they did, it wouldn't be fun.

[497] It wouldn't be fun.

[498] But I will admit when they don't land, and that definitely...

[499] I think you're right, man. Why do we make the distinction?

[500] It's like, God damn it.

[501] It's a weird distinction.

[502] I mean, it's an intelligence distinction.

[503] We just decide to fish are stupid as fuck.

[504] But you know what they're not.

[505] Here's where they're not.

[506] Here's one thing we eat all the time that is probably as smart as a monkey.

[507] That's an octopus.

[508] Oh, I know.

[509] Yeah.

[510] We eat octopus all the time.

[511] They are crazy smart.

[512] Have you ever seen the new video that they put out of an octopus going through a key, a hole, rather, that's the size of a quarter?

[513] Yeah, man. Yeah.

[514] I did see that.

[515] It's crazy.

[516] It's amazing.

[517] What they can do to their bodies is insane.

[518] Yeah, McKenna loved them, right?

[519] Oh, yeah.

[520] He was, like, in love with octopi.

[521] Is that the plural?

[522] Octopi.

[523] That's a good question.

[524] He was in love with them, man. I think it is.

[525] He thought that they were, like, the ability to have.

[526] multiple appendages and the crazy camouflage abilities they have would combine to really open up new levels of communication that humans don't have because it seems like he was uh he was a little frustrated by the limitation of the human vocabulary and the way we emote things to articulate the universe so it'd be nice to have a bunch of different limbs that had no bones that you can turn any which way while shifting colors.

[527] That beats fucking emoticons by a long shot, man. I mean, they can change color and they shoot ink into the air.

[528] And he was one that I first heard speculate that the ink when they shoot ink into the air, that it might be like erasure fluid.

[529] Like look how small that hole is and look at this big -ass octopus, get through this tiny hole.

[530] I mean, you would look at that hole and you would be like, there's no way.

[531] But these things, not only can they get out of a hole like that, but they can walk on land for long periods of time climb back up into their fish tanks lift the lid get inside i mean they're aliens man that's i mean that might as well be on another planet we're just used to it because it's on earth i think is a giant bulbous head long movable arms he knows how to unscrew jars and he's got like a kind of like cool relaxed look on his face just like he's he's definitely relaxed they're emotionless they're very strange it's a very strange being it's very different than a fish and uh but it lives with fish so fuck it i mean they're probably as smart as whales everything is alive that's the ultimate that's the final place you got to get to is that you are a part of a superorganism that is stretching through time in the form of every generation of thing that ever lived and it's currently like a, it's like this being that has an infinite number of appendages that represent all living forms of life on Earth and just like the same way that like you investigate a thing all these append appendages have wrapped around the planet and they're probing, probing, probing, probing, probing, probing, probing, probing the planet.

[532] So it's like every living thing is the very end of an interdimensional super intelligent appendage.

[533] You know, this is kind of like the Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy where he said that mice are just the ends of the tentacles of this interdimensional creature studying scientists that laboratory mice.

[534] He was a fucking genius.

[535] But in the same way, when you look at like every single living being on Earth is actually protruding from a, you know, generation after generation of being that stretches back to the beginning of organic life on planet Earth.

[536] So it's like, Earth suddenly gets life.

[537] How, who the fuck knows?

[538] My theory, aliens.

[539] But who knows?

[540] Maybe it just randomly happened.

[541] Who knows?

[542] But so suddenly springing from the Earth are these very rudimentary organisms that over the course of millennia gradually stretched out and changed.

[543] to become various types of devices to study the crevices, crannies, and air of this planet until eventually it became monkeys and the monkeys became people.

[544] And now we're like a very advanced scope that is peering into the atomic and subatomic level of the fucking thing.

[545] But when you look at a squirrel's life, a eagle's life, a fucking salmon being eaten by a bear's life.

[546] It's interesting to consider that what you're seeing is an infinite number of scopes through which something that appears to be either investigating this dimension or just enjoying being in it is coming through.

[547] You know, that seems to be what's happening.

[548] That is an idea that gets echoed in like some Eastern philosophies and some, uh, it's an interesting take on it for sure.

[549] Well, what's definitely happened.

[550] is there's some consumption going on.

[551] Everything is consuming something.

[552] That's one of the things about this radio lab podcast that was so fascinating, where I was talking about these fungi devouring microscopic insects.

[553] And also, like, literally tapping into rocks for minerals.

[554] It's really, really intense stuff.

[555] And having this intense relationship with these plants where they're feeding off the root systems.

[556] Yeah.

[557] And the root systems are feeding them, and they're feeding the root systems.

[558] they're exchanging sugar and minerals.

[559] Yeah.

[560] It's really crazy, dude.

[561] It's, I mean, it's really, really bizarre.

[562] They were talking about miles and miles of these microscopic fungi in the soil, in the tiny piece of soil.

[563] Right.

[564] You have miles and miles of microscopes.

[565] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[566] The mycelium, right?

[567] Yeah.

[568] So like, so when you, okay, so everything's eating itself, but if you imagine that what you're looking at is actually only one half of the thing, because we can't see into the nothingness that happens after death, then it could be that you're actually looking at one, just one part of a process, right?

[569] You're seeing just one, you're seeing a limited part of an infinite process that's happening where death is just one piece of it, but the thing that dies doesn't, isn't annihilated.

[570] It's not, it doesn't go.

[571] So the idea is it's like, okay, what you are is, is, uh a thing growing out of time right you're growing from that which is not into that which is or that which is not known to that which is is is known because where are you where were you before you died who knows unknown before you were born oh right same thing according to some religions but uh so when you look at that as part of a continuum right instead of just like you are born and then you die and then nothingness if you look at it as part of an energetic continuum of which we can only witness this particular part of the continuum.

[572] We don't have the technology yet to peer into the other part of the continuum.

[573] So if you look at it as an actual cycle, then the brutality of the universe becomes a little less significant.

[574] Because you realize like, oh, no, it's just like things diving out of the nothingness into the somethingness, returning to the nothingness in the same way a dolphin jumps up and goes back down into the sea.

[575] That's what we're doing.

[576] Only when we dive into time, we take on a form.

[577] When we dive out of time, we become the formless, and then we come back out of time again.

[578] That's reincarnation.

[579] It's reincarnation is, sorry if I've said it on this podcast before, but reincarnation is like a fucking dolphin trick.

[580] Only in this case, the trick that you're doing is called your incarnation.

[581] And the particular way that you live, whether it's, as is for most people, a kind of failure, because how the fuck you're going to figure out what to do when you dive into time for such a temporary fleeting lifetime, like to suddenly to be able to do back flips and shit, maybe you're not going to be able to do that right away, but you dive out of time or out of nothingness, come into somethingness, incarnate, incarnate, incarnate, here we are as a being, have a life, and then you go back into the nothingness again.

[582] And so the people that we are most amazed by in history are just people who did really awesome tricks with their temporary human incarnation as they came jumping out of the nothingness.

[583] That's what we're in right now, man. Just a temporary transitory state of harmonized atoms that have become aware of themselves that are about to go through an incredible energetic shift where you become nothing.

[584] And then maybe become something again for infinity.

[585] We have a real hard time having the perspective of your body turning into bacteria or bacteria consuming your body when you die of that not being a bad thing that it's a part of life and that you will be conscious inside that bacteria that maybe your consciousness leaves this and travels with you with your cells and your DNA as you're being consumed yeah and then it becomes a part of some gigantic matrix and that's what maybe that's what you're tapping into when you're doing things like DMT yeah when you hit that well of consciousness whatever the fuck that is that you hit when you run into that sea of reality.

[586] When I say reality like this but just intense godlike no bullshit like there's it knows everything there's no bullshit it's like and you you have to abandon all your worldly thoughts abandon all your ideas of life and death and ego and just give in and be one with the whole thing and maybe that's what we do all the time when we're sleeping man i mean it's entirely possible that what we don't remember is existing in that realm and that that realm is something that we're just shut off from because for us to get done what we have to get done with this monkey body you can't be fucking contemplating that all the time because you're not going to get shit done you're going to be you're going to be too philosophical you're going to be too confused you're going to be so blown away by the images of that other world yeah you can't handle it so you just the reality of life just completely takes over.

[587] Dude, you didn't I mean, I don't think you meant to do it, but you articulated when you said that the essence of so many different religious systems which is that here is this omnipresent infinite, ever replenishing creative matrix of intelligence that is so much bigger than I am that it's incomprehensible.

[588] And like you said, you have to let go of all your worldly ideas, your thoughts, your ego.

[589] You have to let your ego die.

[590] Because what the fuck are you going to do in the face of that thing?

[591] Are you going to hold on to the stuff you're proud of?

[592] Are you going to hold on to the victories that you've achieved in your minute, flickering human incarnation when you're in the presence of the source of victory in the universe?

[593] What are you going to do there?

[594] what's the correct reaction to have if a thing like that were real and so depending on what religious system you subscribe to those all of those are answers to that question you know and you hear the answer coming up uh in a similar way usually which is you serve it you try to become a servant to it because because what else are you going to fucking do are you going to you're going to are you going to teach it are you going to show it how to do something or Are you going?

[595] What are you going to show it out of the team?

[596] You're like, hey, guys, relax.

[597] I'm here.

[598] I know you've been waiting for a long time, infinity.

[599] But finally, I'm amongst you with my wisdom of my 47 years on planet Earth as a tire salesman who finally does DMT for the first time.

[600] Everybody sit down.

[601] I got it.

[602] You come back.

[603] Yeah.

[604] Yeah.

[605] Let's start with roses.

[606] I like the color of them.

[607] but maybe we make it a brighter red.

[608] What do you think?

[609] How about make it so deer don't want to eat them?

[610] My mom, she has a fucking garden.

[611] She's always mad the deer was eating them roses.

[612] Yeah, this is the, so this is the, this is why I really love this, Bacti Yoga, which is a, because it like takes that idea.

[613] There is a super intelligent, creative force in the universe, and the word for it is Bhagavan.

[614] And it basically means maximum everything.

[615] So ultimate beauty, ultimate intelligence, ultimate attractiveness, ultimate, ultimate love.

[616] It's the ultimate of ultimates, right?

[617] So this thing has inadvertently, it depends on what version of it, probably not inadvertently.

[618] But this thing has a, it's so potent that the way it's interacting with time is that it's breaking into an infinite number of pieces that have all become semi or super aware.

[619] So its consciousness has dispersed itself through its creation and every single minute element, like some fractal, every single little piece of it is a possessor of this infinite consciousness.

[620] And so that infinite consciousness is the source of love.

[621] and it's basically lets you fall in love with it if you want to and it loves you too which is the what's really trippy to imagine just as a thought experiment man imagine that thing you just described that infinite fucking thing the no bullshit thing that demands that you drop your history like a fucking old nasty bag of shit imagine if that thing also was aware of you completely and also loved you imagine that shit man that's the craziest idea ever that's a crazy fucking idea that's better than you know like when you like kind of like a girl and you start thinking like maybe you don't do this because you're a fucking muscular super billionaire who's host the UFC but somebody like me if a girl starts liking you you start thinking like holy shit does this girl I think this girl likes me I think this beautiful incredibly beautiful girl likes me could this be that's the beginning of all love songs right that's the beginning of like all human happiness is holy shit the girl I like likes me back I think she likes me holy shit I think she's falling in love with me this incredibly beautiful girl so Bhakti Yoga is that exact concept transferred to the universe so now you're like wait a minute this entire the source of all things in the universe has a personality and it seems to love me not in a fucking tame way not in like the way that you might hear like Jesus loves you and then you imagine it being like that means you could go over to his house and sit down and have like a boring cup of tea and leave you know like that that kind of love no this is a fucking wild savage unpredictable love the way your best friend loves you or the way that like a comedian loves you which is like you don't know what the fuck's going to happen it's not the way a comedian loves you yeah you know like comedians are going to do weird shit if you're friends with comedians you're going to get a lot of like weird fucking pictures sent to you know on a regular basis you're going to get people calling you and playing tricks on you from time to time for no other reason than just to do it right but they love you.

[622] They fucking love you.

[623] That's what's behind it.

[624] So in the same way, this is the concept.

[625] It's not a tame kind of love.

[626] It'll kill you.

[627] Like, it'll eat you, but it still loves you.

[628] And it'll eat you because it knows that you're just a fucking pair of virtual reality goggles.

[629] You're just a temporary flickering thing that's going to keep going on forever.

[630] This ego and the survival mechanism is what makes us think that it's more important to root for.

[631] for our team like we have teams right so yeah first of all we're team primate don't eat any primates yep once you get past team primate we're team mammal so if you have a choice between killing a gigantic fish or killing a gigantic mammal that you thought was a fish yeah you got to kill the fish so you can kill fucking blue marlins all day long bring those bitches in chop up in the stakes but don't make oil for lamps out of moby dick that's fucked up fucking oil out of those sweeties man you're the bad guy and i agree you know for whatever reason especially with whales I have a thing for whales I have a thing for whales and orcas and dolphins I'm fascinated by them like legitimately perplexed I think that it's entirely possible but both by both with both dolphins and orcas that they're just as smart as us they just don't express it the same way they have a different different kind of existence they don't need they don't want to dominate other than controlling food they just want to have food and once they have food I don't think, I just think when you listen to scientists talk about their dialects and the fact that the pod stays together for life and that they form these tight bonds and they communicate over great distances with sound frequencies and these complex languages that they've recognized are different in different areas.

[632] So they've recognized their similar sounds, but there's a dialect to it.

[633] They still don't know what the fuck they're saying.

[634] Yeah.

[635] And part of the reason why we don't know what they're saying is just like how we're talking about emojis being like a form of hieroglyphs.

[636] I don't think we can understand the context of communication when you live in the fucking ocean and you kill fish with your face all day.

[637] Right.

[638] I think what we would think of is, where is your house?

[639] Do you guys have cable?

[640] How do you guys find out about when the movies are playing?

[641] Yeah.

[642] You know, this idea of communication to us, like what they're trying to do is locate each other, let each other know their moods, let each other know their horny.

[643] Let each other know.

[644] But we think that that's rudimentary in comparison to our complex system of sounds and very repeatable sounds that we can all express back and forth to each other.

[645] But just like emojis, like what they're doing, they're expressing themselves in a way that they all understand.

[646] Yeah.

[647] Yeah, man. And don't forget, they have an awareness of part of the larger part of the earth.

[648] We don't know what the fuck is down there.

[649] that's one of the that's one of the uh moby dick right after they spoiler they they kill the fucking white moby dick but right after the description oh the description of the way they kill this fucking thing the way they did it back then which is you know you get in a ship you row up to the thing there's a harpoonier he's got a fucking harpoon oh my god he's got to sing it at the thing and then you've got to tire it out reel it in this is a fucking whale right this is a leviathan right You're just a little fucking human in a fucking boat And you're like nailing this thing with a harpoon Finally when it gets tired enough You have to find its heart Jam the harpoon into its heart And then basically like Fuck the hole with a harpoon Just jab it in and out of that fucking hole Until finally This is description makes you want to cry It's so awful Finally like the whale Out of its blowhole It like shrieks like a Like car brakes or something like it's screaming in pain and then it just blows chunks of guts and lung and heart out of its own blow and then it fucking dies then you got to get it back to the ship you tie it to the side of the ship sharks start feasting on the fucking things so you have like sharks chewing your goddamn whale it's somebody's job to get lowered down with a harpoon and kill the fucking sharks and Melville describes Melville describes killing sharks he's like you will stat you watch the harpooner stab the shark the shark will start eating its own entrails because it'll it'll just start eating itself and then just like tying itself up into a knot as he eats itself in a frenzy that's how melville describes it those poor fucking whales man but after the uh they kill a whale ahab captain ahab poor sad captain ahab he comes out and he like does a funeral for the whale's head and he like says like what have you seen down there what have you seen the graves of millions of sailors the wrecked ships that no one will ever know are there that's what a whale sees so they just have this awareness that we don't like we'll never know what the fuck's down there we hardly can yeah we don't know it like I mean the earth is three quarters water right yeah so the what's below yeah what's below the water is two -thirds or three?

[650] I don't know.

[651] Is it three quick?

[652] I haven't measured lately.

[653] Whatever it is.

[654] It's a lot, right?

[655] It's a giant chunk of the earth.

[656] Yes.

[657] It's all water.

[658] It's white, blue.

[659] The, the underneath stuff we so rarely see.

[660] I mean, do we see it, is we, do we see it one percent of what we see above ground?

[661] The, um, oh God, I hate to always talk about it, but a brief history, nearly everything.

[662] He describes it as like, and this could be wrong, I don't know, but what we know about the ocean, imagine, imagine if someone took like six tractors and dropped them in the middle of like middle america and they drove around for a few nights with their lights on at night some some description like that i can't remember but it's like it's it's what's that limited because getting a fucking thing underneath all that pressure that's not going to break down getting out there in the first place you know to get the thing down that can survive that pressure forget it plus that takes a special kind of crazy person that's willing to get in a submarine Oh, God.

[663] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[664] I think I'd rather go to space.

[665] I think I'd rather go to space than be stuck at the bottom of the fucking ocean and then see a drop of water on the side of the wall going, what is that?

[666] What is that?

[667] What's going on?

[668] No shit, man. What is that noise?

[669] Did you hear that noise?

[670] You hear, quink?

[671] And you know it's just like a fucking beer can on one of those...

[672] You ever see a stripper crush a beer can with their tit?

[673] No!

[674] They hold a beer can up and they have one of them whopper tits, like those double F jammies.

[675] And they hold it by the base.

[676] Because those tits are always like They're sort of like a ball On the end of an old rope Right You know because you have the big round Ridiculous sized implants And they hold the beer can And they just Bollywop that beer can and crush it That's how I would feel If I heard a clink Kink that I knew that eventually The thousands of pounds of pressure Was just gonna smush that That tank I just That's a fucked up way to die Man here they go look look look behind you you boom oh wow I didn't know this at this boom boom boom which is crushing them with her tits that has to hurt look at Steve Harvey boom hmm there you go wow now you know it's a thing now I know so that's what I think of when I think about submarines you think when she did that oh man you think she did that the first time she did that she was angry?

[677] No, she was on meth the first time, for sure.

[678] Is that what she said?

[679] No, that's what I would guess.

[680] I think a lot of girls have done that.

[681] That's a trick.

[682] That's like the one you nut, but she keeps sucking.

[683] That's that and mixed boobs crushing beer cans.

[684] So you think the first girl to crush a beer can with her boobs was on meth?

[685] No, she was probably a real girl, first of all.

[686] Like she had real boobs, I mean, not just a real girl.

[687] Yeah.

[688] You're all real girls, by the way.

[689] And everybody's a real girl.

[690] Yeah.

[691] If you want to be a real girl, you're a real girl.

[692] Right.

[693] Right.

[694] But, like, how many guys have broken beer cans with their dick?

[695] How about zero?

[696] Tits are way more powerful than dick in that regard.

[697] What guy's ever, like, held a beer can down and smashed it with his hog?

[698] That guy's a greater man than anybody in this room.

[699] Plus, especially if he does it right side up And he gets the lip of the The beer can, the thin part Slams against his dick With the kind of force that's required to bend a beer can You're going to crush your dick You're going to hurt your dick I got to disagree with you man I think he becomes I think he becomes the hero If he's like If he's tied up And he's got to use his dick In the beer can as a form of escape device Like at that point it becomes more heroic than just.

[700] But you're right, I mean, no matter what, if you smash a beer can with your cock, then you join some invisible, more elite than the Illuminani.

[701] I bet it's smaller than the seven families that control everything.

[702] Do you think there's like a 14 -inch club where's all dudes who have 14 -inch hogs just hanging out?

[703] There's got to be more than one dude on the planet that has more than a foot -long dick, right?

[704] if there's girls that have tits like that and obviously those are fake but people are weird right people are built strange there's guys that are seven feet tall there's people that are five foot one there's a whole bunch of people in between and someone out there is a 14 inch dick yeah for sure like how many of them well I mean based on my own experience three and they're all assholes well there was that one guy who kept getting caught at the TSA because he has his hog is gigantic Right.

[705] So he, I keep saying hog because it's fun.

[706] Yeah.

[707] Why is he calling on a hog?

[708] What are you 12?

[709] Yes.

[710] He's got like a fucking sock, like a rolled up sock.

[711] Yeah.

[712] That's what his hog is.

[713] We know the story.

[714] We probably talked about on the podcast.

[715] You know the story of John Malcovich, right?

[716] Being John Malcovic?

[717] John Malcovich, the actor, right?

[718] Right.

[719] So supposedly they had to get him a body double in a nude scene and a movie because his cock is so gigantic that they thought nobody would believe that was a human's dick.

[720] So they had to get a body double with a smaller cock to have him stand in because his penis is so large that it would disrupt the flow of the narrative.

[721] Did the guy who's telling you this suck your dick?

[722] He said it while he was sucking my dick.

[723] And I don't believe how big his dick is.

[724] His dick is so big.

[725] Look it up.

[726] I think it is.

[727] But look it off.

[728] That is the funniest thing to look up.

[729] As if that's confirmed somewhere.

[730] I think it's confirmed.

[731] I have a feeling that's what's called a rumor.

[732] I have a feeling John Malcovich has a great publicist.

[733] Yeah, that's smart.

[734] He's like, let's leak this story.

[735] Yeah, that's a good move.

[736] Well, if I could imagine he would have a giant hog.

[737] James Wood supposedly has a giant hog.

[738] That's the word.

[739] Really?

[740] He's talked about it.

[741] He's talked about it pretty openly.

[742] Trump?

[743] Trump has a giant one?

[744] Didn't he say it?

[745] He says it's fine.

[746] In comparison to his hands.

[747] But it's the fact that the guy's running for president.

[748] He was joking around about his dick not.

[749] being tiny that is hilarious i don't you know i don't know if he's going to make the best leader of the free world but uh i welcome someone who's willing to make a dick joke while they're running for president i welcome that well it's gonna it's like it's gonna be uh it's gonna be uh it's gonna be uh it's gonna be really um interesting you know i was thinking we're gonna talk about the fucking elections anyway man and uh you know what's causing all the trouble right now what This is all technological disruption.

[750] Like we're looking at this is all a result of technology.

[751] I was thinking, like, what's the, okay, if you could, like, locate the problem, right?

[752] It's that I don't mean to jump from a goddamn fantastic conversation about enormous cocks to some kind of political shit.

[753] Don't ever worry about where our conversations go, lover.

[754] So, thank you.

[755] So, so, the, the, the, the, the, the, what you're not.

[756] looking at here, man, is what Ray, there's a quote from Ray Kurzweil, which is things aren't getting worse, our information's getting better, right?

[757] And so with Hillary Clinton, who is a career politician, right?

[758] And we have all known, since we were young, most people, I think, when they think about politicians, they don't think, those are some honest people, those politicians, they usually are telling the truth.

[759] I think most of us think, politicians, they lie.

[760] They warp things.

[761] They fabricate things.

[762] They use a form of deception to gain control of various power structures.

[763] That's what the animal does.

[764] So that's not new information when you find out that Hillary Clinton and the DNC, and I don't know if they completely connected those two, but when you find out that they were not, they didn't do what they were supposed to do, they helped Hillary Clinton become the Democratic nominee and they actively tried to fuck up Bernie Sanders, right?

[765] That's creepy.

[766] But it's not a new thing.

[767] I know, but it is creepy.

[768] It's creepy.

[769] And it's even more creepy that the woman who was in charge resigns and then immediately gets hired by Hillary Clinton.

[770] Got a great job.

[771] Hillary Clinton's like, fuck it.

[772] I'm going to hire you and it won't do anything.

[773] She hires her.

[774] She's so fucking unafraid of what's going to happen that she hires the woman who did such shitty things.

[775] She had to resign.

[776] booed off stage hires her into her fucking party because she's like fuck you i'm getting elected you're not stopping it right but this is again it's gangster too though it's it's it's also a move in on her part where i mean she's looking at like what trump is calling her crooked Hillary like yeah it's a gangster move i mean to hire a woman like that like right in front of you yeah wasserman shultz top post accomplished a DNC.

[777] But this is not a new, this is not a new thing, man. What exactly?

[778] Let's go over this.

[779] Because what exactly did they do that's so awful about Bernie Sanders?

[780] What did they do?

[781] So they apparently came up with a way to disseminate information to the press, highlighting certain aspects of Bernie Sanders that would be unappealing to the voter.

[782] And they did this, and this has all been confirmed.

[783] Can you, can you Google that, find out what they actually said?

[784] Let's find out what they actually said.

[785] Summarize the WikiLeaks.

[786] And see if we think they're being a bunch of whiny bitches.

[787] But for sure, they wanted, look, she's got way deeper arms in politics.

[788] She's way more connected than he is.

[789] For sure, there's, and this is what we're seeing, too.

[790] It's, like, a big part of being a political candidate is how many favors do you have?

[791] How many people are you connected to?

[792] How deep does your influence go?

[793] Right.

[794] And obviously, her influence didn't just sit within her own little group of people that were working for.

[795] It had gotten to the DNC itself.

[796] So she's deeply embedded in this whole system, whether it's because of friendships or ideologies or people just wanted her.

[797] She's the chosen one.

[798] Whatever reason, whatever deals were made or whoever, who knows, who knows what it is.

[799] But when you find out that an organization that's supposed to be the head, it's supposed to be if we, if everything was on the up and up, it's supposed to be objective and looking for what the people want as the best party.

[800] But no, they're actually actively steering it, which is massively corrupt and kind of scary.

[801] Because these people are deciding to steer an entire party, which is 50 % of a political process because there's no look we've got libertarian party for the first time people are taking Gary Johnson seriously he's going to do that town hall debate on Wednesday or town hall one of those town hall things on Wednesday on CNN but for the most part it's Democrats and Republicans in most people's eyes so what they're essentially doing is rigging half of that process yep that's scary that we just we don't think anything's wrong with that but we put Martha Stewart in jail for not telling exactly the truth about where she bought in sold stocks or whatever the fuck she lied about?

[802] We do think something's wrong about it, but we can't do anything about it.

[803] We do think something's wrong, but right now, okay, so if like that institution is corrupt, and if the Republican institution is in some ways corrupt, I think it might be safe to say, and I don't think too many people would be outraged at the idea that there's a institutionalized corruption in the entire American political system.

[804] And it's very similar to the problem that happens in bike racing.

[805] If one motherfucker rigs their bike or gets on fucking doping stuff that can't be detected, if you want to have a fair advantage, you've got to rig your bike and start doping too.

[806] Or the person who rigs their bike will always win.

[807] So if politics is a competition, which it clearly is, and if members of the competition are using nefarious means to achieve their goals...

[808] Which they clearly are.

[809] which they clearly are, then that would imply that if you wanted to survive in that system, you would also have to use nefarious means.

[810] Dumb, dumb, dumb, what?

[811] But, and this is not new.

[812] This is old, old, old shit.

[813] What's new is technology.

[814] What's new is now people like Julian Assange are shining a light on the corruption.

[815] And his whole idea is, if I reveal this information, it will force reform via the outrage of the people who are supposed to be represented by a person who's breaking the law.

[816] That's his idea.

[817] We need reform.

[818] And right now, we're at the point where it's very similar to when you're in a family.

[819] And this is one of the worst things can fucking happen, man. In a family, if there's somebody who's molesting somebody, it happens all the time where a father or a brother will start fucking molesting somebody.

[820] right but and people in the family know it but they don't do anything about it because to talk about what grandpa does every couple of years means the complete disintegration of the fucking family an apocalypse for the family in the same way as more of these revelations become clear which we always knew but you could always float into a happy place and be like nah i'm just being a conspiracy dude.

[821] I'm sure the stuff they're doing up on Capitol Hill is all fair and square.

[822] You know, you can just believe it, kind of.

[823] You just pretend to believe it.

[824] Now it's like, well, no, you're wrong.

[825] Look.

[826] Hey, here's the fucking proof.

[827] And here's going to be more proof.

[828] And there's going to be more proof.

[829] And there's going to be more proof.

[830] Until finally, the American people are going to have to either just be like, I'm just going to believe that four is three and three is four because I have a nice comfortable life.

[831] I don't want to fucking deal with this shit, man. I'm just going to trust the banks because the banks, they like money.

[832] Well, I have my job.

[833] And as long as I keep my job, I'll keep my benefits.

[834] Yeah.

[835] And by the way, P .S. man, when you consider that, it's like there's something pragmatic about that as sad as it is.

[836] There's as, as depressing it is as it is.

[837] But the real awful problem is that this country, I think, is like a metaphysical.

[838] machine that was built by some very intelligent people who understood the energy flow that comes through a society and the elections were supposed to be an outlet valve for the pressure that builds up when people feel that they're being repressed, right?

[839] And if you start fucking with that output valve by putting up fake politicians that don't truly represent the people and hope that the people will believe that they have elected these people, if you put two shitty choices in front of us, and we're supposed to look at that and be like, okay, everything's fine, then you're missing the point, which is that there is an energetic system that needs to get released, you know, at some point the energy's got to go out.

[840] If it doesn't go out, you get revolution.

[841] That's the way the energy goes out the wrong way.

[842] The idea is, let's fucking the American Revolution, brutal, bloody, awful, fucked.

[843] These geniuses, many of them Freemasons got together and they were like, you know what?

[844] Is there a way that we can program history so that a society doesn't destroy itself intermittently with a fucking revolution?

[845] Because if we could do that, we'll build one of the most powerful never -ending societies on Earth because we figured out a way to outflow the pressure that builds up.

[846] So when you start fucking with a goddamn political system and pretend that everything's going to be okay, you are missing, I think, the point.

[847] The point, which is that people who are very smart, maybe a lot smarter than the politicians we have today, recognize something, built a thing, and said, let's just trust the fucking people.

[848] Let's trust the people, release the steam, and voila, everything runs according to plan.

[849] Now, the gears are a little fucking gummed up, man. A little.

[850] Yeah.

[851] A little?

[852] How gummed up?

[853] How gummed up?

[854] I think the gears are really crazy gummed up.

[855] I think this is the first time we're realizing how much money people make by running for president, how much money it costs to run for president, but how much money top political figures make in donations and in speeches?

[856] Have you paid attention to how much they make in speeches?

[857] Like Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton.

[858] Even bribes?

[859] Well, this is what it is.

[860] These corporations can fund various universities.

[861] They can donate money to all sorts of different programs where they would have someone speak and they can decide who gets to speak and who doesn't get to speak and they also have like the Clinton Foundation people donate money into that they don't donate just fuck loads of money so all these things but hold on a second all these things what they are essentially you're paying someone to speak for an hour and you're going to give them $750 ,000 and you want me to pretend that that's normal that's crazy and what does this person do they're a public servant okay okay so they're a public servant And while they're publicly serving, they're also making $750 ,000 to talk.

[862] Yeah.

[863] That seems a little crazy, doesn't it?

[864] Like, why do they make so much money to do that?

[865] And who was paying them?

[866] And what do you have to benefit by having them come and read some nonsense, bullshit, boring speech?

[867] A friend of mine went to see Rudy Giuliani after post -9 -1 -1 when he was on his victory tour.

[868] He was on, like, a lap of the country, doing these speeches because everybody loved him because he saved the world during, you know, September.

[869] 11th he was the guy who stood strong and everybody like wow Rudy Giuliani is a good man so he wrote that and he started doing these speeches and he'd come to colleges and a friend of mine went to see him and said it was dog shit that he just it was a boring ass like reading with no passion it was a cha -ching go in there and say some nonsense about freedom and the American way and terrorism or whatever the fuck and first responders and just there wasn't anything real it was just it was a performance it was like he was doing a one -man show all across the country for exorbitant sums of money.

[870] God, that'd be fucking great if he was actually doing a one -man show.

[871] $153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees documented.

[872] This is just, Jamie just pulled this up.

[873] That, that is stunning.

[874] That's a stunning amount of money.

[875] It's over 15 years.

[876] It's from 2001 to about now.

[877] Still, it's more than, that's, I mean, well, it's perfect then, because that's $10 million a year.

[878] This is more recent of what she hits now.

[879] She had 20...

[880] $225 ,000.

[881] That's her standard fee.

[882] Oh, my God.

[883] She prefers a private jet and prefers a Gulfstream $450 or larger.

[884] The memo outlines that Clinton requires travel by private jet.

[885] You know it'd be fucking cold.

[886] Is this like if you were like a mad billionaire, could you just get Hillary Clinton to come to your house and like just speak to you for an hour in your living room?

[887] like this is fascinating hold up scroll back down there she made 21 million dollars doing what she made 21 .6 million dollars in speeches in just under two years that's amazing god that's incredible that's so much money she's like a kind of like crazy animal that you can like lure with money like you can actually if you have enough money you can lure a Hillary Clinton into your house like you just have to lay it out she'll show up like if I put carrots in my backyard i'll probably get a rabbit or two if you have enough money you can get politicians to come and start feeding at your mansion when does it become when does it become a bribe okay so should she like say well you can never be it's weird right you couldn't be someone who is in public office and go and also have like a a book reading tour where you read from your novel about crime or something like that You'd have to be like a no fiction person who's when you're talking, you're talking about what you do for work.

[888] That's part of what you're talking about.

[889] Like, nobody's going to ask Hillary Clinton to come and speak about the history of jazz in the United States.

[890] Right?

[891] She's not going to give speeches on that.

[892] She's going to give speeches on politics, right?

[893] I don't know.

[894] Right?

[895] So, okay.

[896] So why is that okay?

[897] Why can you, like, have two jobs?

[898] That means you're having a second job.

[899] Like, you're doing your job.

[900] Like, you're saying the things that you say during your job.

[901] but somebody else is paying you too.

[902] Why is it okay?

[903] Yeah, why is it okay to do that?

[904] Like, that seems like that's, like, that seems like very problematic, right?

[905] Why is it okay for your husband to go talk?

[906] Who was he talked to?

[907] The head of the, whoever the prosecutor, who was it?

[908] He's the district.

[909] Bill Clinton went and had this secret meeting with what's his, who was it?

[910] About what?

[911] Well, right, right.

[912] Oh, oh, right, right.

[913] Lindsay, what the hell's her name?

[914] Damn it.

[915] The point is, like, you just are openly, like, hiring the woman who somehow warped the process of getting a Democratic nominee there, yeah.

[916] What's her name?

[917] Loretta.

[918] Loretta.

[919] Lentch.

[920] Yeah.

[921] Doesn't that sound like a country singer?

[922] Was that a?

[923] Yeah.

[924] That's why I thought I was wrong in first.

[925] I was like, I was right.

[926] Yeah, Loretta Lynn, right?

[927] That's what it sounds like.

[928] Loretta Lynch, yeah.

[929] Now, she met, Bill Clinton meets with the Attorney General on an Arizona tarmac.

[930] Now, listen.

[931] By the way, flew in on his private plane and.

[932] said that he, it was impromptu.

[933] Who the fuck flies impromptu on a private jet?

[934] Yeah.

[935] Hey, you know what?

[936] Hey, who are we flying over right now?

[937] He's just one of us.

[938] Wait, are we flying over Loretta Lynch?

[939] Oh, come on, stop down.

[940] I'm going to get a piece of apple pie.

[941] She's a good woman.

[942] We're going to sit on the porch and drink lemonade and talk about our grandchildren.

[943] Sit on the porch on the tarmac.

[944] Nothing I love more than a nice picnic on the tarmac of an airport.

[945] Well, this is the other thing that she lied about.

[946] being dead broke after leaving the white house right not only dead broke but in debt she said that apparently that's just so not true yeah and now and now it's like to to make matters worse it's like you have to it there's this weird idea that's like listen you might not like Hillary fucking Clinton can you go back to that real quick but they're like you better shut the fuck up about her because do you want Trump to be president that's what's going on right yeah Look what it says here.

[947] This is where it's confusing.

[948] It says when Hillary filed a financial disclosure document after entering the Senate in 2001, she reported assets of less than $1 .8 million and liabilities of more than $2 million.

[949] Well, what were they doing with all the money?

[950] What are they spending money on?

[951] Wait, like, who the fuck, okay?

[952] Who has like $2 million in assets and $2 million in debt?

[953] Do you have $2 million in debt?

[954] No. Most people don't have $2 million in debt.

[955] That's a crazy amount of money.

[956] Like, did you guys have a budget?

[957] You're dead broke.

[958] No, you guys are crazy.

[959] Like, what are you partying?

[960] You guys doing blow and buying Ferraris?

[961] Just staying on an Amazon late at night.

[962] Who the fuck gets $2 million in the hole?

[963] Like, that is, like, if you wanted to have someone that you wanted to balance the budget, wouldn't you pick the person that doesn't get $2 million in the hole?

[964] I mean.

[965] Oh, man. Trump's been bankrupt a gang at times, too, right?

[966] Has he been bankrupt a few times?

[967] Yep, that's what they say.

[968] He says he likes going bankrupt.

[969] It's somehow part of some plan.

[970] But now, the question, what about the shit about Saudi Arabia?

[971] What is this?

[972] You don't remember this?

[973] I remember when it's like Saturday, L .I was making jokes about them stealing, like, silverware and fine China and stuff from when they were like leaving, like on their last days there.

[974] Oh, that's ridiculous.

[975] What year was this?

[976] This was like from 2000.

[977] Like when they were literally leaving and the bushes were coming in.

[978] Oh, my God.

[979] They're taking all sorts of extra.

[980] or artwork and all kinds of things.

[981] And I don't know if it's true, but it's, I don't think the meme has gone away.

[982] I don't know, man. Huh.

[983] That's hilarious.

[984] I don't know.

[985] She's so gangster.

[986] Part of me, look, I kind of appreciate it in a way.

[987] She's like our Putin.

[988] Yeah, great.

[989] Just what we need.

[990] I'll tell you, part of me appreciates how gangster she is.

[991] There's a video going around of her talking from 2000 about not having email.

[992] and then imagine if she had emails like what the investigators would find sure of course it's on mike pence's twitter page didn't she take money from saudi arabia or is that bullshit allegedly i'm not really her accountant so i can't just i don't know i just you know man i think it's uh it's like a crazy time right now because we're actually getting to witness the the cool thing about all this shit is nefarious as these assholes want to be they're they're they can't keep up with technology they're being exposed technologically.

[993] And that's going to continue to happen.

[994] And that's pretty fucking badass, man. No matter how powerful her gangster Hillary Clinton is, she has apparently zero security on her computer systems or very little security.

[995] And maybe if she had great security, she still couldn't stop the infiltration of hackers.

[996] And this is going to keep happening and happening and happening until either we just accept that our politicians are innately corrupt or we come up with some fucking way to starve them out to make it so that they are but how i mean well don't you think burney's like the first step in that like Bernie's no perfect person right i'm not the most gigantic Bernie Sanders supporter because i've talked to economists that tell me that what he was proposing is not fiscally possible yeah so i don't know if they're right or he's Right.

[997] And it's all real tricky to me. Like the idea of democratic socialism, like, boy, it sounds good.

[998] It sounds good if people got more.

[999] I'm warming up to the idea of universal basic income.

[1000] I kind of like that idea.

[1001] Because I think if you think about how much resources we spend on things like cops and firemen and damage done and police and rather prisons and how much time maybe we could avoid some of that, like maybe a big chunk of it.

[1002] I think universal basic income has like some real, it's got some, something that we should explore.

[1003] as a culture.

[1004] But I think also requiring people to do certain things, like in the community, requiring some sort of community service.

[1005] Like, how nice would it be if, I mean, it's nice to be able to pay someone to take out the garbage, but maybe we'd appreciate each other more if we all took out the garbage once a month?

[1006] No way, man. I disagree with that.

[1007] That's what they're doing in Venezuela, by the way.

[1008] What are they doing?

[1009] They're forcing people to be farmers for like 60 days out of the year or something like that but to make them feel good about farmers no because like venezuela is fucking imploding and they need like but but um i'll tell you man anytime the government or federal workers get more power in whatever way it may be that's a bad thing for all of us right and i think that the the the the more we can push their fucking tendrils out of our consciousness the better right and so So any time anyone is suggesting some new, I don't care how fucking utopian it sounds.

[1010] Anytime anyone, here's the thing, do you think the government is corrupt?

[1011] If the answer is yes, why would you want to give them more power?

[1012] Why would you want to give them more tax money?

[1013] Yeah, yes.

[1014] Why?

[1015] There's no...

[1016] Now...

[1017] When you're talking about taxing people, you're not talking about giving them money directly to the poor people.

[1018] Right.

[1019] You're not.

[1020] Yeah, man. You're talking about it.

[1021] Going to the government and the government distributes it with no receipt.

[1022] Right, man. That's what they do right now.

[1023] Yeah, we don't want that.

[1024] That's fucked up.

[1025] If these people up there, if they were like somehow, we actually, just imagine, here's a crazy fantasy.

[1026] I don't know how you'd implement it, but let's imagine we had a system where every four years, some of the coolest, smartest people in the country became our leaders.

[1027] Wow.

[1028] That would be fucking insane.

[1029] The coolest smartest people don't want that job just by nature.

[1030] It's a strange job, the idea of wanting to be the person that's in control of everything.

[1031] And I think until it goes horribly wrong, we're going to stay on the outside and we're going to go, somebody, come on, somebody, come on somebody.

[1032] I'll tell you, man, I think some of the coolest, smartest people, because they're so cool.

[1033] I'm just saying, this is a mystery how to get to them.

[1034] But let's just say you could.

[1035] It's a mystery how you get to them.

[1036] Let's say, and let's imagine there was.

[1037] Who are they?

[1038] You don't even have to name a person, but give me the attributes you would want.

[1039] I would take somebody like Elon Musk.

[1040] I would take somebody like you.

[1041] I would take somebody.

[1042] Why not?

[1043] I would take somebody like...

[1044] Because I don't want the job.

[1045] What?

[1046] I don't want the job.

[1047] I bet Elon doesn't either.

[1048] All right, fine.

[1049] But we all sit together in a room and we're like, hey man, let's imagine like five more badasses, right?

[1050] We all sit together in a room and we say, listen, I know none of you guys want this fucking job.

[1051] You're successful because you're super smart and you're super cool and you're having great lives.

[1052] but would you consider for a couple of years helping us work this shit out so the planet gets a little better?

[1053] And I guarantee, now again, this is a fantasy, but I guarantee that there will be very few people in that room.

[1054] You'd be like, no, I'm going to live my life.

[1055] You'd be like, yeah, I'll do it for two years, no problem.

[1056] I'll do it for four years.

[1057] Sure, I would love to help.

[1058] And so for four years, you go into this job truly thinking, man, I'm going to see if I can reduce the number, of people who are fucking uneducated and hungry and the bombs going off.

[1059] And I'm going to try to do it by using all of my smartest friends.

[1060] And I'm not doing it because I'm going to get money from this group or that group.

[1061] I'm doing it because it feels like the right thing to do.

[1062] Do you know what that's called, man?

[1063] That's called the American fucking dream that the founding fathers came up with.

[1064] That was the idea.

[1065] We're going to have a group of brilliant, wonderful people who want this particular swath of human beings to be a peaceful, what is it?

[1066] A peaceful place where you can experience life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, right?

[1067] Freedom, autonomy, community, all of these beautiful things.

[1068] That was the idea.

[1069] Beautiful idea.

[1070] It'll almost make you cry when you think about how beautiful a fucking idea that is.

[1071] And then to imagine that that idea over the course of time was gradually deteriorated, gradually infiltrated, gradually broken down.

[1072] And of course it was because when there is a powerful empire, the empire is inevitably attacked by entities that want to take it over.

[1073] Of course, it's the nature of things.

[1074] Something powerful, some asshole wants that power.

[1075] And so an analysis of the system over the course of time or an intentional infiltration by people who have all the money or just some systemic degradation, a slow sort of collapse of a million different systems inside the thing has happened.

[1076] That has happened.

[1077] And yet, the concept remains one of the most beautiful ideas, one of the most incredible fucking ideas.

[1078] They cannot erode the concept.

[1079] Well, maybe it can still be saved with technology.

[1080] Maybe the transparency that's being afforded by technology is going to somehow or another step in and put, a halt to what we see as just a standard operational behavior of corruption and influence.

[1081] Corruption and influence is just so standard that it's right in front of us.

[1082] When CNN is printing Hillary Clinton's annual earnings for the past two years is $21 million and no one's batting an eye.

[1083] She's sitting there with her bite suit.

[1084] She has that bite suit on.

[1085] Looks like a fucking German Shepherd's going to jump out of the bushes and grab her suit.

[1086] She walks around these boxy bite suits.

[1087] and she's making ungodly sums of money from just talking and she's doing it doing it right in front of our face Yeah It's I mean that's one of the beautiful things About Bernie Sanders One of the most beautiful things He says I didn't take a dime from those people I don't speak to the banks Yeah Because what did you What did you say when you got paid Half a million plus Or whatever she got paid to speak How much did she get paid to speak to the banks Because there was something Fucking bananas about that one There was one of the ones That she got paid I made it might have been the two hundred fifty million dollars the speech you won't release yeah there's a bunch she won't release she won't release the ones when she talks to banks they'll get in latin they get together they fucking burn babies and they start talking in tongues and shit they're all eyes wise shut it out yeah hoods on and fucking candlelight pentagrams everywhere yeah man they probably I wouldn't be fucking surprised if there's a few things they do that we might consider to be a little abnormal when they get together Bohemian Grove Look, Bohemian Grove, whatever the fuck they're doing there, whatever they do it for, for whatever reason, they really do, or at least used to, dress up in robes and burn an effigy in front of a fucking giant owl statue, okay?

[1088] There's a video of it, it's real.

[1089] For them, they say it's fun, and it's just like one of those frat pranks or traditions that people do.

[1090] Well, they'll dress up in weird costumes, and they go through some weird skull and bone ceremony that their grandpats.

[1091] did and everybody does it because you want to be what is that what is it called pledged you want to be pledged initiated yeah I mean come on man this is there's a real video of these fucking multi -millionaire guys meeting in bohemian grove and burning these fit look at that Hillary Clinton was paid $225 ,000 to speak at Goldman Sachs Builders and Innovators Conference at the Ritz Carlton Dove Mountain Resort and Marana Arizona that is a golfers paradise all those rich dudes out there golfing driving those convertible Mercedes with the metal tops closed and open in like 13 seconds yeah these these guys are look they're all fucking monsters you know man uh I'll tell you this is something I was thinking and by the way I'm sorry I did a fucking seemingly patriotic spiel I didn't know that was inside of me it's well it is patriotic but it's it's you you're right these people were massively repressed by Europe, they took this incredible chance of getting in boats and coming across an ocean.

[1092] Yeah.

[1093] In a time where we're navigating things with something that looks like a protractor.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] I mean, they had sextants.

[1096] You know, they're staring at the fucking constellations trying to figure out which way to go.

[1097] They're manipulating the air to get there.

[1098] It's fucking amazing.

[1099] And a lot of them are doing that because they want to worship God in a certain way that they're not able to see where they're coming from.

[1100] But even whatever their rationale for leaving, they still have the balls to get on a boat and make across the ocean.

[1101] So that puts them in a better place in my eyes than those pussies that stayed back and believed in logic but lived under the rule of the queen.

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] Those dummies are the king.

[1104] Was it a king back then?

[1105] Probably a king.

[1106] They probably had kings.

[1107] But my point is, I don't have a point.

[1108] But if I had a point, it would be...

[1109] That's the reason why America is so fucking badass that at least the reverberations of the initial instincts to start it still exist.

[1110] Yeah, the idea can't go away.

[1111] It's like a geometric form.

[1112] But here's the problem, man. Okay, this is why I's thinking.

[1113] So let's imagine that you and I are somehow, I don't know why, we end up on a cruise ship filled with idiots, like literal fucking idiots.

[1114] That can happen.

[1115] Somehow they just like, they went through, like, maybe like some, it's like the opposite of a reality show where you find a great person.

[1116] Like, over the course of, like, months, they find, like, the world's worst people, right?

[1117] And so are the world's, like, maybe like the world's most.

[1118] unwise people are the world's dumbest people.

[1119] So you end up with like a population of like 60 idiots on the boat.

[1120] And I'm not saying we're not idiots.

[1121] I certainly don't consider myself to be a mince a member.

[1122] But let's imagine we're a little like more on the ball than these guys are.

[1123] The boat fucking wrecks.

[1124] We're on an island.

[1125] Now we have to build a civilization.

[1126] How does democracy become a good thing if the majority of people are kind of not?

[1127] not that fucking on point, right?

[1128] What happens if a, what if it's a, let's imagine it's a boat filled with psychotics.

[1129] Let's imagine it's a boat filled with people who are paranoid schizophrenics, for example.

[1130] How do you have a democracy of paranoid schizophrenics running things?

[1131] And so when you have the news spraying out a paradigm that is also weirdly corrupt in the sense that the news is being run by groups of people who want to sell advertising and need to be entertaining and you know they have to at least present this information in a kind of entertaining possibly warped way there are cases including in the recent wiki leaks uh dump that where the uh where they were the in what's it called the n dd the in non -disclosure agreement no the national the democratic group the um dnc was telling giving like talking points to the press right right so if the media is painting a picture of the universe that is not accurate or is warped a little bit based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things, then the people who have tuned into that reality and believe it to be true, you could safely say they are mildly psychotic because they have bought into a reality tunnel that might not actually exist, in which case is a democracy at that point a good thing if the people living in the democracy have for a lifetime been getting bad information shot into their fucking brains marijuana will give you brain damage war is good sometimes you just need to fucking kill people we have got to get into fucking iraq because saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction that he is going to unleash on the fucking west wrong information but if you believe it you believe wrong information and if you believe wrong leave wrong information, then that means that you are no longer walking along the path that is there, but a path created by other people, right?

[1132] So that's when democracy gets really interesting because now what we have is very powerful, hypnotic cobbles of billionaires sending bad information to the population in attempt to shift their perceptual mechanisms in such a way that they will elect leaders that don't represent them, but that have been created by these machines to take over the world.

[1133] And in that case, the democracy becomes a little bit more problematic.

[1134] So that's another problem.

[1135] It's like, okay, great.

[1136] Now, let's imagine we suddenly have a functioning democracy.

[1137] What if a lot of people in that functioning democracy have subscribed to ideas that aren't real and that they're not willing to let go of?

[1138] Are you writing down, never put Duncan on the show again?

[1139] No, no, I had to remember something.

[1140] I keep forgetting and I have to remember it.

[1141] You just, I don't want to stop your rant.

[1142] Oh, cool.

[1143] Just, you know, when you're high as fuck like we are right now.

[1144] That's so great.

[1145] And we start talking about stuff.

[1146] When you're talking, I have an idea, but I have to follow your idea, and my idea slips away.

[1147] I had to write it down real quick.

[1148] It's just the idea is, what if many of us, like, the shit we believe ain't real?

[1149] Yeah.

[1150] And what if that shit that we think is real has been intentionally placed into our heads?

[1151] by corporations with the intention of making us behave in a certain way, at that point, a democracy becomes problematic.

[1152] Like, what are you going to do if, you mean, there's so many people right now who believe, like, Trump is putting out a reality tunnel, Hillary Clinton's putting out a reality tunnel.

[1153] These are two different reality tunnels where many of the pieces of it might not actually reflect what's happening in the world.

[1154] So it's like which of these made -up stories are you going to tune into or are you going to reject both of them and go wandering off into the woods alone and try to, in your own way, understand what's happening, minus the influence of the corporate media.

[1155] I was thinking when we were talking about people coming over in boats that we were talking earlier about the human biome and that your gut biome in particular, it affects your mood, your intelligence level, your personality.

[1156] it affects your immune system and that's one thing that I've been really getting into over the last few years is really concentrating on probiotics first kombucha that was the big one I like that GT's kombucha I like that original flavor it's almost like it feels like someone blew their nose in it those slimy slugs those those kombucha slugs that you got to throw down but it's really good for your immune system and it made a big difference with all my travel on the road but then I started really getting into kefir I started really getting into, I drink goat's milk kefir several times a week, and I drink like a whole glass of it.

[1157] And man, the more I've been concentrating on that, kimchi, that's another one that I've really gotten into lately, fermented cabbage, it's really good for you, very probiotic as well.

[1158] The more I'm doing this, like, I feel happier, if that makes any sense.

[1159] It actually makes me feel better.

[1160] I don't just feel like healthier in terms of my immune system's really good, but I feel better.

[1161] So what I was thinking is these poor fucks that got on that boat and came across the seas When you think about the horrible atrocities committed by the Pilgrims or the Columbus's soldiers When they came over here I mean they by one account of a missionary they were dashing babies heads on rocks Yeah cutting people's arms off if they didn't bring back their weight and gold right there was some really dark dark dark shit going on I wonder if it was a combination of obviously barbaric human beings in barbaric times when things were just way fucking different.

[1162] And there was very little accountability for psychopathic behavior.

[1163] And in fact, you hired these fucking psychopaths, these abused people, murderers.

[1164] Those are your soldiers.

[1165] Those are your people you're hiring.

[1166] You know, those are the people that you put on that fucking boat.

[1167] Those are the only people that are willing.

[1168] So they get across this ocean.

[1169] It takes months, right?

[1170] How long did it take?

[1171] Get across the sea.

[1172] Find that out.

[1173] I'm going to say three months.

[1174] Do you think it took three months?

[1175] I don't know.

[1176] I'm going to say it took like 90 days.

[1177] I would think longer than that, man. Probably right.

[1178] Maybe four months?

[1179] What do you think?

[1180] Four months?

[1181] I don't know.

[1182] Like, I feel like three months would do it if you knew what you were doing.

[1183] You got to get the right wins.

[1184] I mean, it's like...

[1185] Well, you definitely might not make it.

[1186] It says approximately two months.

[1187] Wow.

[1188] Two months, quick.

[1189] It started in early August and got there October 12th.

[1190] Wow.

[1191] God, that's so balzy.

[1192] Took approximately two months.

[1193] Christopher Columbus started.

[1194] his voyage in Palos, Spain in early August of 1492, with three ships.

[1195] The Nina and the Pinta San to Marine.

[1196] We all know that stuff.

[1197] Wow, that's amazing.

[1198] Can you imagine just being on that boat, being a fucking fly on the wall on that boat, watching those murderers sail across the ocean and knowing one day you're going to get a day off school for those cunts.

[1199] No shit.

[1200] I mean, think of that.

[1201] They showed up and they just raped and murdered everybody.

[1202] We get a day off school for them.

[1203] It's Columbus Day.

[1204] Praying along the way.

[1205] Long weekend.

[1206] going to have a suit coming.

[1207] Again, there you go.

[1208] The fucking information that we have does not accurately reflect reality.

[1209] Right.

[1210] We have been conditioned intentionally by a power structure to believe in a reality tunnel that if you don't believe in that reality tunnel, you're considered to be somebody who's a little crazy.

[1211] You know, you're fucking mind.

[1212] Columbus was a good man. What are you fucking talking about?

[1213] Remember that commercial?

[1214] guy's eating salad and his friends going what do you mean if I buy drugs he supports terrorism right right that he's eating salad he's a no nonsense kind of steak bar remember that because it's a fact i say it because it's a fact that guys like standing they're like it's that relationship that we all know of that one fucking super good arguing right wing guy that's a little bit older than the other guy and he kind of clowns him when they have lunch together come on get your shit together mike okay we're going to make the loan go through but straighten out your credit yeah that's the same guy because you're supporting terrorism it's a fact he's eating the salad i say because it's a fact yeah there's something psych a lot just like a mind fuck going on because we know that relationship we know that paradigm between the really fucking straight up republican no nonsense got a shit together has a cigar and a single malt scotch and that's about it and we know and that other guy who's like yeah i heard that tower seven is a there's an inside job what yeah don't say that eating his lettuce.

[1215] Don't fucking say that.

[1216] It's not true.

[1217] It's not true.

[1218] Because it's a fact.

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] I know what's a bad example.

[1221] But that thing that people like to do.

[1222] Because it's a fact.

[1223] Well, fuck, man. I mean, yeah, that it's a fact fucking guy is our version of a person who has been, it happens in North Korea.

[1224] There's that like, I don't know if you saw it, but like in one of these documentaries about North Korea, which I love to watch because it's the ultimate example of a hypnotized culture.

[1225] Ultimate.

[1226] Ultimate.

[1227] And it's right now.

[1228] Right now.

[1229] Which is insane when you consider what the past could have been like.

[1230] We never, we don't have a window.

[1231] We don't have a window into what Genghis Khan's empire was like.

[1232] We don't have a window to Mao's China.

[1233] We don't have a window to that.

[1234] But we have a window right now, a fucking physical window of real video.

[1235] This is it.

[1236] This is the guy.

[1237] This is the no -nonsense guy.

[1238] Play the commercial.

[1239] I love this commercial.

[1240] Go from the beginning.

[1241] Do it from the beginning.

[1242] F -A -C -D spells it.

[1243] What?

[1244] This drug money funds terror.

[1245] It's a ploy.

[1246] A manipulation.

[1247] Ploy.

[1248] Hold on.

[1249] You got James, new to the internet.

[1250] He's got several tabs going at the same time.

[1251] Oh, I thought someone would like...

[1252] You're gonna hear moaning soon because he's got his porn.

[1253] It's a ploy.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] This drug money funds terror, it's a ploy.

[1256] A manipulation.

[1257] Plukey's eating.

[1258] Drug money funds terror.

[1259] I mean, why should I believe that?

[1260] Because it's a fact?

[1261] A fact.

[1262] A fact.

[1263] F .C .T. fact.

[1264] So you're saying that I should believe it because it's true.

[1265] That's your all.

[1266] argument.

[1267] It is true.

[1268] This is the dumbest fucking conversation because I want to jump in there and I say, okay, well, tell me how that's true.

[1269] Give me some specifics of how drug money funds terror.

[1270] Can I tell you how it's true?

[1271] Yeah, you're the guy.

[1272] I'm the other guy.

[1273] Here's how it's true.

[1274] So many of the people who are currently in the U .S. government have taken lots of money from the pharmaceutical company.

[1275] that supplies some of the most dangerous drugs on Earth to people all over the planet.

[1276] And those people in the government are also in charge of dropping bombs on people in other parts of the world.

[1277] Let me stop you right there.

[1278] They also made Viagra and the pill.

[1279] That's great.

[1280] Okay.

[1281] That's great.

[1282] Don't you use Viagra?

[1283] Don't you like the pill?

[1284] Still drugs.

[1285] Don't you like to shoot loads in your girl without any consequences?

[1286] Yes.

[1287] I know we all do.

[1288] But that's funding terrorism.

[1289] Every time you shoot a load into your girl, that's funding terrorism.

[1290] Are you sure?

[1291] Is it a fact?

[1292] Is it an F -A -C -T fact?

[1293] It's an F -A -C -T fact, baby?

[1294] Dude, terrorism, fuck, I'll tell you fucking terrorism.

[1295] Terrorism is every time, I mean, when you start hearing the civilian casualties in Syria and all over the fucking place.

[1296] I've got to show you something.

[1297] I've got to show you something.

[1298] Go back a few days on my Twitter feed.

[1299] I retweeted this Syrian girl who is praying.

[1300] Oh, I saw it.

[1301] For her safety, you've seen it?

[1302] Play it again if you want to horrify the fucking audience, but I'd rather not watch it again.

[1303] Okay, well, let's just describe what it is.

[1304] You can go watch you, so forget it, Jamie.

[1305] He's going to freak out.

[1306] He's ready to cry.

[1307] I'm ready to cry.

[1308] It's horrible.

[1309] There's a guy, and he's talking to his daughter, and she's reciting a prayer.

[1310] And apparently, she's reciting some prayer of safety.

[1311] And while they're doing it, you hear.

[1312] And they both get shot, like, rocketed back and forth.

[1313] forth, like something hit near their building.

[1314] You see, like, the reverberations, the impact, move them.

[1315] They jut out of the framing and the video stops.

[1316] It's terrifying.

[1317] I mean, look, it might not even be real.

[1318] I'm assuming it's real.

[1319] I'm assuming it's real.

[1320] Yeah.

[1321] It might not even be real.

[1322] Because I don't know.

[1323] I can't verify it.

[1324] But that happens exactly the way you're looking at it.

[1325] Whether or not that is an actual representation or whether or not somebody wants you to imagine what it would be like, I don't know.

[1326] I don't know the veracity.

[1327] I haven't studied the video.

[1328] I don't know.

[1329] Have you?

[1330] Do you know whether or not anybody's calling bullshit on that video?

[1331] Well, look, I mean, it's an argument.

[1332] Exactly.

[1333] But I'm not sure if you're seeing that or if it's one of those.

[1334] You know, there's a company that was, I think it's in Australia that they create fake viral videos to get hits and they're a special effects company.

[1335] And they're responsible for like a gang of amazing videos that have been online.

[1336] One of them was this couple that shot a lion.

[1337] And then you see the lion, another line, they're standing over a lion, taking pictures.

[1338] Yeah, this one special effects group made that and a bunch of other fake ones, too, that a lot of people sent me. And they said they were real, and I retweeted them, like, oh, wow, that's crazy, man. You know, but meanwhile, these people are just special effects artists.

[1339] Cool.

[1340] The lion one didn't get me. I was like, this is too perfectly framed.

[1341] It's too good.

[1342] Got me. Didn't get me at all.

[1343] Plus, I didn't like the way the lion, the way it was looking, the way was sitting there on the ground, it looked fake.

[1344] The whole thing looked like, it looked like a fake lion.

[1345] But then there's one that came out today that I'm reasonably sure is real.

[1346] And that's one I was telling you about before the show.

[1347] There's a bear in this guy's house.

[1348] And he looks downstairs.

[1349] And my friend Shane Carwin actually tweeted a picture.

[1350] I got to retweet it when I find it.

[1351] He retweeted me a picture today of a fucking bear that broke into his friend's cabin and tore it apart.

[1352] Tor the refrigerator open, ripped out everything on the floor, ripped out cabin, and just tore his fucking place apart.

[1353] And apparently his friend called Shane is like, Hey dude, did you use my cabin or something?

[1354] Shane Carr was this giant heavyweight UFC fighter.

[1355] He's a former UFC interim heavyweight champion.

[1356] He's a gorilla.

[1357] And so his friend, like, that's the first person he called.

[1358] Imagine if someone tears through your house, rip your fucking refrigerator door off the wall.

[1359] Lace waist.

[1360] Like someone just fucking hulked out in your kitchen.

[1361] So he calls Shane up first.

[1362] Hey, dude.

[1363] Did you rip my cabin?

[1364] refrigerator door off.

[1365] And then there was another one that's true as well, it's real, where a bear got trapped in someone's car.

[1366] Somehow another, the bear opened a car door, which they've been known to do, if you leave it open.

[1367] Look at that.

[1368] That's a bear trapped in the back of that fucking Subaru.

[1369] Poor guy.

[1370] I wonder how long he's in there for.

[1371] It's a good question.

[1372] I think they were walking by and they found him.

[1373] So what a bear does is they know they figured out over time that they can open car doors.

[1374] If they open up a car door, they watch someone open up a car door, like another bear.

[1375] and then there's food in there, that's it.

[1376] From then on, they're opening car doors.

[1377] So when I was in Boulder, one of the people that lived in the town over from where I lived got their car broken into and the bear ate the inside of their car.

[1378] The bear, I mean, literally ate their seats, ate their dashboard.

[1379] They're crazy.

[1380] That sucks.

[1381] So this bear is trapped in this guy's car.

[1382] This is 100 % legit.

[1383] So he opens up the car door with his paws, climbs inside.

[1384] And, you know, like if a car is like at a kind of an ankle, Oh, the door will close itself.

[1385] Door closed itself.

[1386] He's like, wha -low!

[1387] Oh!

[1388] Oh!

[1389] Just stuck in this car, just mangling it.

[1390] Look at it.

[1391] Look at the chair.

[1392] Torn apart.

[1393] Probably shitting all over the dashboard.

[1394] Look at him.

[1395] I wonder if their insurance covered it.

[1396] I wonder if anybody's got a bow and arrow.

[1397] Time to make some bear sausage, son.

[1398] You got to let them out.

[1399] I mean, that's fucked up.

[1400] shoot an animal inside a car that's not fair chase i'm joking around ladies and gentlemen i would definitely let him out but i'd be fucking pissed because this car is just shot it's mangled you can open up your trunk with a key with some people does that what they did did they open up the back and let him out what's happening here how can the hatches open there he is he just ran off yeah he's running off that's a pretty decent size bear yeah they seem what kind of damage to they seem pretty peaceful man bears always seem like they run they tend to run for sure right until they kill you yeah you say oh it's peaceful oh he's peaceful do you know more people get killed by black bears than by grizzlies no I did not oh it's weird grizzlies a lot of times they kill you by accident like you stumble upon the mom the cups black bears apparently will actively seek people sometimes when they're really desperate oh my god man that is fucked there's a bear in my neighborhood suppose nah it's not the past dina bears are eating garbage and stuff if they're having a good old time and swimming pools and shit.

[1401] You don't have to worry about them.

[1402] You got to worry about predatory bears.

[1403] Like, there's a guy that I know, Steve Ronello, hosts a show, Meat Eater.

[1404] One of his friends took a guy out hunting for his very first time they were camping and a 500 -pound predatory black bear climbed in the tent, attacked him in the middle of the night.

[1405] And his friend shot the bear.

[1406] The bullet went through the bear and shot his friend in the wrist.

[1407] So he got shot, he got bit by a bear.

[1408] His first hunting trip.

[1409] Jesus Christ.

[1410] Broke his wrist.

[1411] Bullet shattered his wrist.

[1412] Went through the baron shattered his wrist.

[1413] That's terrible.

[1414] Man, whenever you have those kinds of bad luck land on top of each other, like the balloon accident, where like not only do you fall to your death, but you're also on fire while you fall to your death?

[1415] 17 people.

[1416] Terrible.

[1417] Fuck hard air balloons, dude.

[1418] Fuck that.

[1419] Fuck being in the sky with fire and cloth.

[1420] Never.

[1421] What about a hard breeze?

[1422] What happens if this bitch gets hit by lightning?

[1423] Huh?

[1424] You fucking monkeys.

[1425] I watched the video that guy jumping.

[1426] out of the plane yesterday.

[1427] Yes, I did.

[1428] That was insane.

[1429] Insane.

[1430] Insane.

[1431] Insane.

[1432] And by the way, he didn't even hit it in the middle.

[1433] He hit the edge.

[1434] I mean, I'm sure it's a huge fucking net, but not huge enough.

[1435] Like, how are you judging that correctly when you're coming down at, who knows how fast he's coming down?

[1436] It seems like he lays there for a second.

[1437] Like he's stunned or something.

[1438] We had to flip over before impact.

[1439] He was practicing flipping over.

[1440] Like he had a, otherwise his face is going to get shredded, right?

[1441] He's got to land on his back.

[1442] So this guy's going down And then right before he hits the bottom He flips So he's got to like Guide himself with his own fucking arms And hope that he doesn't splatter That's his GoPro man I mean how is he possibly Gonna judge this I mean he has some sort of a Like a wingspan thing going on Where his legs are spread Now watch this He falls over He turns over right before the end And lands in the net What in the actual fuck And everybody's applauded He lived.

[1443] He almost died.

[1444] Look, it's Bobby Collins and Whippy Goldberg.

[1445] They're there.

[1446] They're both celebrating.

[1447] He lived.

[1448] He almost died.

[1449] But he's crying.

[1450] I did it, Mom.

[1451] This girl's got big tits.

[1452] Come here.

[1453] Take a look at these tits before.

[1454] Hey, this guy.

[1455] Look at his dick.

[1456] Why do they have these people?

[1457] Look at this.

[1458] We are here live on the scene.

[1459] He didn't die.

[1460] it's amazing this is the first time ever a person did this and lived we're so happy we're so happy we could broadcast this on television it's so important look at this yes we did it dude we did it you crazy fuckers all of you oh my god because you know if that shit didn't work out oh my god if the net broke and for the rest of your life you have to remember the the what that looks like just the explosion of guts and the the sound that's going to make when that thing hits the fucking tarmac his wife's like screaming or just a silent scream just everyone just PTSD you're going to have to go to therapist to get that out of your head you're going to wake up with the memory of that guy's body just exploding like a fucking watermelon in front of you what if the pressure of the situation the gravity of the situation the adrenaline Rush and the G -Force all combined, made him stroke out like that Indian dude.

[1461] Wow.

[1462] And he just never even bothered steering and went right into the crowd.

[1463] Oh, man. Like a human missile.

[1464] Just took out kids and fucking grandma crushed a Subaru.

[1465] Scraps of bloody Gatorade colored jumpsuit landing on your kid.

[1466] Imagine if you died because this guy hit the ground and his skull went flying through the air and hit you in the face.

[1467] face and crushed your head.

[1468] You got your head crushed from his forehead.

[1469] Or even worse, you don't die.

[1470] Oh, Jesus.

[1471] You just get, like...

[1472] Amputated.

[1473] No, you just have, like, neurological problems for the rest of your life.

[1474] Like, you like, you know, like someone who's in a car accident.

[1475] You go into a temporary coma, you come out, you shit yourself for the rest of your life, and people ask why.

[1476] It's like a skydiver's skull smashed into me. Terrible, man. Fuck, dude.

[1477] High impact.

[1478] Avoid that.

[1479] what high impact death high impact avoid that don't jump out of those planes into nets stop are they going to get fucking cTE from net falling imagine if that becomes a new thing what's what kind of cte chronic traumatic traumatic encephalacy encephalope so brain damage the football players get i would imagine the jolt of going from space into a fucking net is considerable yeah sure yeah i'd imagine that that has an impact on your fucking don't it's not easy on your fucking body to fuck out of a plane and anything it's definitely not what you do by the way man speaking of like fucked up like sports accidents and I know you get sick at talking about the UFC but dude that fucking clip of what's his name cyborg what's the guy's name the guy got his head crushed in yeah yeah yeah see that we're not cyborgs Santos there's a bunch of cyborgs there's a two male cyborgs and one female cyborg makes sense it's a cool word but the the I was thinking, man, that thing he did, the knee kick, flying knee kick, smashed the guy's head in.

[1480] You don't ever say knee kick.

[1481] What do you say?

[1482] It's a knee.

[1483] Flying knee.

[1484] You don't see a knee kick.

[1485] Guys, listen to my voice.

[1486] Do I sound like I know a lot about the UFC.

[1487] You took a little Muay Thai back in the day?

[1488] Well, my trainer taught me some, but I, anyway, the point is, is it possible?

[1489] You know, okay, basketball.

[1490] People are getting better at basketball, right?

[1491] Skateboarding.

[1492] People are getting better at skateboarding.

[1493] Right.

[1494] Is it possible that in the UFC, people are going to become so proficient at beating each other up that it, there will be more of this type of awful accident happening where people just learn how to be powerful enough to crush a person's skull, where you just get better at it, man. Like, if you look at like, and it's not a fair comparison because the skateboard, it requires a tool, but if you look at like early skateboarding videos to now, and see how much it's evolved.

[1495] And you know the UFC has the market pressure for these fighters to be the best ever because they become like world -renowned fighters and they make a lot of money.

[1496] So the pressure is there to evolve.

[1497] If you look at UFC 100 years from now, isn't it possible that fighters are going to get so good that it is no longer safe to do the UFC because they're just going to be strong enough to break someone's skull open with their fucking.

[1498] fists or with their knees well let me answer that first of all it was a very unusual scenario where a guy was diving forward and the other guy was jumping forward with a knee right and they combined in a perfect collision right it's very unusual to happen that way it's happened before though um it does happen it can happen but that was the most extreme version i've ever seen in my life and all my years of watching martial arts watching martial arts training in market arts, seeing fights.

[1499] I don't know how many fights I've seen live, but it's got to be more than a thousand.

[1500] It's probably like, it's probably like 1500 or something like that live.

[1501] I've never seen it once.

[1502] I only watched it once on TV.

[1503] So guys have definitely gotten their nose broken, though, and they've definitely gotten their orbits broken.

[1504] The orbit broken orbital.

[1505] Orbital bone is super common.

[1506] That's real common.

[1507] That happens all the time.

[1508] That happens like once a year.

[1509] I mean, in that sense, super common.

[1510] Maybe even more than that.

[1511] We don't hear about it.

[1512] Maybe they're small fractures, but Misha Tate, the former women's band -a -weight champion, she got her orbital bone broken in a fight.

[1513] Bob Sats had his orbital bone broken in by Cropop.

[1514] I can name a bunch of them where guys have gotten their orbital broken.

[1515] It's really common.

[1516] So that's your face.

[1517] You're getting your face broke.

[1518] This is just a different version of it, and it was such an extreme impact.

[1519] Michael Venom Page, the guy who did it, is a sport karate champion and a really dynamic guy.

[1520] He's so fucking fast and his technique is so good.

[1521] His timing is so good.

[1522] He's a lifelong martial artist who was competing as a point karate guy.

[1523] And then he went from being a point karate guy to fighting an MMA.

[1524] And he can hit guys in this crazy way, dives in and hits him and they can't hit him back.

[1525] And when they're running at him, he counters them brilliantly.

[1526] And that's what he did in this fight.

[1527] Cyborg, who's talented guy who's been around a long time.

[1528] He's really experienced.

[1529] He's fought in Strike Force.

[1530] He fought in the UFC.

[1531] Did he fight in the UFC?

[1532] I feel like he did.

[1533] I'm almost positive he did.

[1534] Google that, though, please.

[1535] Because I know he fought in Strike Force.

[1536] He had an epic fight with Nick Diaz in Strike Force and Jordan Meyen in Strike Force and epic, epic fights.

[1537] So he's a real veteran.

[1538] And to have this happen to him is even more impressive.

[1539] It just shows you how good this page kid is.

[1540] But it's so unusual the way it happened.

[1541] I've never seen it like that before.

[1542] We're a guy just charged in and the other guy didn't just hit him with a knee, but jumped at him.

[1543] So you would have to have Michael, Venom Page's athleticism, technique, experience, lifelong martial artist, perfect timing.

[1544] And then also, fight intelligence.

[1545] Like, he had the intelligence to choose that weapon.

[1546] He has a full arsenal of techniques.

[1547] He knew that that would be the most effective blow to land in that moment.

[1548] So all his lifelong experience of competing as a martial artist led to that moment.

[1549] So it was a perfect storm for Cyborg's head.

[1550] The wrong thing at the wrong time.

[1551] And it can always happen, just like Dale Earnhardt, Jr., or senior died in a car accident, right?

[1552] It can happen.

[1553] Like, even the great ones can get really badly hurt, but.

[1554] But you could see it like, I mean, I'm sure you've seen it over those 1 ,500 fights you've seen, haven't you seen an evolution in the fighting styles?

[1555] Yes, but on both sides.

[1556] The other thing is, I've seen an evolution in people's defense, too.

[1557] Like, there's guys like Mighty Mouse who, like, barely get hit, you know, and he's beating guys up, but occasionally you'll get a guy who is like an elite guy and another guy's an elite guy.

[1558] They almost cancel each other out.

[1559] People get mad.

[1560] People get mad because there's not enough action because they're both too smart and they're kind of like canceling each other.

[1561] That does happen.

[1562] That happens in fights.

[1563] So I just think that everybody is definitely getting better, but their defense is getting better as well.

[1564] And it's just, it's a sport where it's so chaotic and anyone can win by knockout if they connect.

[1565] And everyone is so fast and everyone has so much technique that the best guys can knock out the best guys.

[1566] We saw it this weekend.

[1567] Matt Brown, who is like one of the top UFC welter weights in the world.

[1568] He's a fucking animal.

[1569] Savage, one of my favorite fighters ever fought this kid named Jake Ellenberger.

[1570] Jake Ellenberger is a very talented guy who's had ups and downs, but he's lost a bunch of fights recently to top level guys.

[1571] And this was his last chance in the UFC.

[1572] They gave him a last chance.

[1573] They said, you know, they were going to cut him.

[1574] He said, just give me one more fight.

[1575] And they said, okay, we're going to give you Matt Brown, who's a demon, and he's like, okay.

[1576] So he went in and knocked out Matt Brown the first round, but it was crazy.

[1577] It was a crazy chaos -filled fight.

[1578] He blasted him with a right hand and kicked him in the body with a liver kick and put him away.

[1579] It was a madness fight.

[1580] And even Matt Brown was even coming back after getting hit with the first big punch.

[1581] But my point is, on any given night, one of these guys connects and they can knock out the other guy.

[1582] They can both do it.

[1583] Matt Brown easily could have knocked out Ellen Burr.

[1584] Right.

[1585] Easily could have connected.

[1586] So it's, it's possible for all these guys to knock each other out.

[1587] So it's a nutty sport, man. No, I get eyes here.

[1588] They're definitely getting better at it, but they're all getting better.

[1589] So it's harder to hit them clean, and they're better at delivering shots.

[1590] Well, if one person gets better, then everyone's going to adapt to come up with some defense for whatever the thing is that person's gotten better at, I guess.

[1591] But they learn the techniques.

[1592] They learn the techniques.

[1593] they understand when they're coming.

[1594] But if you had to predict, like if someone's like, if you had to predict five years from now, what kind of, if you've seen a kind of evolution in the fighting styles, then you've seen something that maybe you can prognosticate in five years, what do you, what do you think it's going to look like?

[1595] How will it be different?

[1596] How will the UFC change over time if mixed martial arts is an evolving sport?

[1597] Well, we already know pretty much, I'd say, there's always room for new stuff.

[1598] It's always possible that new stuff comes out.

[1599] But I would comfortably say we know at least 95 % of all the striking options.

[1600] We're pretty well -versed in what a person can do with their bones.

[1601] And I'm being real conservative when I say 95%, it's probably closer to 99%.

[1602] But every now and then, someone will do something crazy.

[1603] Like this guy, I don't know the name of the organization, but just knocked some guy out with an axe kick the other day.

[1604] and somebody sent it to me, and I was like, ooh, see if you could find that.

[1605] Ax kick, K .O. and M .MA.

[1606] It's real recent.

[1607] This is the first time I've seen that in televised MMA bout.

[1608] But I saw it a gang in times in Taekwendo tournaments, and I witnessed it firsthand with a very good friend of mine who got knocked out horribly by an axe kick.

[1609] So I know that axe kicks are real dangerous if a guy's good at them, but you have to have elite flexibility and speed, and you have to know how to land it.

[1610] And so that was a new one that up until this year, I don't think anybody knocked anybody out with one, before.

[1611] There was a guy named Adlon Amagov who was fighting in strike force and he fought the UFC for a little bit, but he got real religious and he decided to quit fighting.

[1612] But I think he might have fucked somebody up with an axe kick once.

[1613] He had nasty nasty kicks.

[1614] But the point is that might have been the last of the Mohicans as far as like new techniques that you're going to see people do.

[1615] Pretty much everything round kicks, side kicks, front kicks, we already seen all those.

[1616] We already know they exist.

[1617] So that's pretty much covered.

[1618] What it's really getting, what people are getting better at is their ability to deliver those techniques in a fluid form that's imperceptible for the person that's trying to anticipate the movements.

[1619] So like when someone is attacking you, what it's like is say if you were a really dumb guy and you were in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about something that you really shouldn't have been debating her about.

[1620] Like you really don't know the subject very well and you're talking shit and he just starts with his, he's clinking his whiskey glass around and touching his fingers and just demolishes you on real time with Bill Maher.

[1621] You know what I mean?

[1622] That's what Christopher Hitchens could do to any of us.

[1623] It's so fun to watch him do that too, man. Terrifying, because you think, oh my God, what if that was me?

[1624] What if I got up there to talk about the Iraq War?

[1625] I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

[1626] He just buried me. Did you ever see when he buried Most Def?

[1627] No. Oh, he buried him.

[1628] Most Def was asking questions about al -Qaeda and the Taliban.

[1629] He didn't know the difference between Al -Qaeda and the Taliban.

[1630] I don't either.

[1631] And Most -Def was talking about it and Christopher Hitchens just decided he was annoying and just distressed him just undressed him publicly dressed him down, is that the word?

[1632] How's the expression?

[1633] I would almost rather get dragged off by a tiger than have Hitchens destroy me on fucking Bill Maher.

[1634] He was so ruthless about it.

[1635] I would become a monk.

[1636] If that happened I'd be like, well, I'm just going away.

[1637] I'm going to find a little monastery and just shave my head and say goodbye to the universe.

[1638] Like there's some guys they can destroy you, but you almost feel like they're letting you off the hook.

[1639] Like Sam Harris.

[1640] Sam Harris destroys people in a very calm way, and he doesn't insult them.

[1641] Right.

[1642] But he does it very logically but he lets you know that he thinks you're retarded.

[1643] Right.

[1644] He wouldn't use those words, but I do.

[1645] But Hitchens shows utter disdain for you while he's scoring on you.

[1646] Harris seems like there's the hope when, yeah, Hitchens is pissed.

[1647] Harris, it feels more Like, at least there's the hope that he's going to bring you to his side.

[1648] Yes.

[1649] There's something compassionate in it.

[1650] But, yeah, Hitchens is like, yeah, Hitchens is like, well, you just, I might as well, you can be part of the genocide that I want to have happened to idiots of the world.

[1651] And it's a really, a really intense thing to watch, man. He must, he must have just constantly read.

[1652] Like, that guy must have just woken up in the morning and just started reading for hours.

[1653] It was definitely not just smart, but also well -read.

[1654] We all know people that are very smart, but they don't read that much.

[1655] Right.

[1656] He was all the above.

[1657] Smart, well -read, and did a lot of debating and had a lot of conversations with really smart people, which is a big part of it as well.

[1658] And, you know, and we're very lucky that we get to listen to those because that's kind of like having those conversations, not in the sense that you're saying the words, but being privy to a conversation with a guy like Hitchens, like he's sitting there talking with Sam Harris or some.

[1659] religious leader or something like that and the logical points that he makes it's they're they're very enriching in a way that a lot of times like school isn't even and a lot of times your professor is a fucking incompetent cunt that got that job because he sucked the right dicks and now he's got tenure yeah there's a lot of those shitty professors man yeah yeah yeah there's a lot of those there's a hitchin's video did you see the one where he talks about what a monster saddam hussein was have you seen that one yeah he's he's genius yeah and he's right you know me he was all my Our monster, though.

[1660] Saddam Hussein?

[1661] Yeah, he was our monster.

[1662] Sure.

[1663] Yeah.

[1664] We helped that guy.

[1665] But his sons were even scarier.

[1666] They ever read some of the things that his sons did?

[1667] I can't remember.

[1668] His sons were like Ramsey Bolton from the Game of Thrones, but for real.

[1669] They fed women to dogs.

[1670] They would take a woman, they would take her from her bridal party, rape her, kill her husband, or throw her husband in jail.

[1671] Rape her and then feed her to their dogs.

[1672] And they did this more than once.

[1673] God damn, man Yeah Well this is what we were talking about We were talking about like North Korea By the way, I don't know that this happened I wasn't there This is what I heard This is what you could read it online That's what everybody has said It's pretty much agreed that he did it But again like I was criticizing you earlier I totally could be completely wrong But this guy if they did do it I'm pretty sure they did Or something like it They didn't do awesome stuff That was not that long ago man And Kim John Moon They probably did some awesome stuff you know what I mean like I bet it wasn't all feeding girls to dogs I bet they were complete total sociopaths and psychopaths from the womb their dad was a murderous dictator he raised them and I bet he raised them to be fucking monsters you know he wrote a romance book who did Saddam Hussein did ever jerk off to it I haven't read it yet I think they're releasing it soon look at a show like there he wrote like a real romantic piece of fiction I mean by the way I'm not saying that Usain or Bolt or whatever Whatever the fuck is weird.

[1674] Uday and Kusei.

[1675] Uday and Kuse were.

[1676] I think.

[1677] It is so fucking terrible when you realize that even the worst people still have something good about them.

[1678] That there isn't a complete monster out there.

[1679] Well, there's definitely complete monsters.

[1680] There have been, for sure.

[1681] I think that inside...

[1682] You don't think Ed Gain?

[1683] The guy used to make lampshades at a women's skin, serial killer.

[1684] I think the most...

[1685] monstrous part of being a human being is that no matter how fucking awful you are and no matter how terrible now this could be completely naive and i'm sure there's exceptions but mostly no matter how fucking awful you are some little piece of you inside of you glimmering way down there underneath all the fucking violence and murder knows that you have the potential to be kind and it tortures you and I think that's inside every single person you can feel it in you all the time no matter how good or how bad you are there's always that like you want to help there's always something in there even fucking dommer even the worst of the worst man somewhere in there it's in every single person it's what I think it's what we are and the more separate you get from it the more you start doing, you know, it starts with like not putting your fucking shopping cart away at the grocery store.

[1686] The problem was we're talking about people that aren't broken.

[1687] There's people that, through whatever reason, through nature or nurture, there's people that have fuses broken, just like there's people that are born with leukemia, just like some people have cancer, just like some people have epilepsy, just like some people are born with disfigured arms.

[1688] Some people's brains are fucking wired wrong from the jump.

[1689] There's something wrong biologically with them.

[1690] Sure.

[1691] I mean, wouldn't we assume?

[1692] Yes, I would, I totally agree that there are people these fucking brains aren't working, but I don't think we're just our brains.

[1693] No, I mean, I don't think so either.

[1694] But I, this is what I'm saying, like, it's not an either -or.

[1695] It's not a nature or a nurture.

[1696] It's probably all kinds of stuff going on, you know?

[1697] I mean, I think some people are most likely born with defective minds, right?

[1698] We all agree with that.

[1699] There's definitely people that have challenged learning disabilities, all sorts of issues in dyslexia.

[1700] There's all sorts of things that we're absolutely.

[1701] aware of.

[1702] Well, there's got to be, for sure, some shit that would lead a person to not understand when the cause and other people harm.

[1703] Right.

[1704] Or not care or like it.

[1705] Right.

[1706] This is what's a, I mean, it's a sociopath, right?

[1707] See, I like to believe that because, okay, and this is, you know, an infinite, never -ending argument.

[1708] Right.

[1709] Some people believe humans are meat robots.

[1710] Self -awareness comes from the sum total of all these different processes running at once.

[1711] And now we have this awareness of the self, whatever that may be.

[1712] Some people think that there is an infinite, never -ending, undying pixel that is, that a human is grown around.

[1713] And that thing goes on forever.

[1714] And that thing is made of love, or for lack of a better word.

[1715] It is.

[1716] Right.

[1717] Right.

[1718] So the idea is, and I like to believe this idea, as crazy as it may sound, anyone can be redeemed.

[1719] Redemption is possible for all humans living today.

[1720] There is a way to stop your forward momentum in the direction of selfishness and start moving in the direction of being a little bit less of a fucking prick.

[1721] I believe that.

[1722] Maybe people that have the inclination or they have the potential to be a psychopath if they were raised by, Kind and loving people would develop patterns of behavior that are consistent with civilization and with harmony and community.

[1723] Like maybe what you get when you get a psychopath is the combination of really shitty upbringing, child abuse, all sorts of awful verbal and emotional shit that happens to people and physical shit that happens to people when they're young end these traits.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] And also maybe, maybe some of those traits are triggered by genes expressing themselves in time of great duress.

[1726] Yeah.

[1727] Which is one of the things that I was talking about that I forgot earlier.

[1728] I started on it, but I never finished it.

[1729] I was talking about the people that came over on these boats, their gut biome.

[1730] If we're talking about someone who is on a boat for 60 days eating fucking beef jerky, and they come over here with scurvy, they're desperate, their fucking body's eating itself.

[1731] I mean, literally, their body's eating itself.

[1732] Your bones are fucking weak.

[1733] Your lack of vitamin C is causing you to get ill. And then you land on this beach, and you're in an insane.

[1734] Desperation mode and you're already a piece of shit.

[1735] Right.

[1736] You're already a monster.

[1737] You're already some monster from Europe and you come over here with a fucking a free past to wreak havoc.

[1738] These aren't even people.

[1739] Look, they're brown.

[1740] They don't look anything like us.

[1741] Right.

[1742] They get us gold.

[1743] Hey, get that gold.

[1744] How do you want me to get it?

[1745] Any way you can get it.

[1746] Okay, I'm just cut that dude's arm off till he gives me gold.

[1747] Right.

[1748] I mean, what?

[1749] This is all what we know happened, right?

[1750] Yeah.

[1751] When you're starving.

[1752] I wonder if you really are a different person like when you hear about people like the the people that came over on the pass in Colorado the daughter party yeah want to beating each other because they fucking froze to death out there and they they didn't know what to do and there was no foods they just started eating each other like what what is the switch that goes off like who are you when that happens are you even the same person right if you really are if your personality consists of this ecosystem that we call your body, which we know for a fact has all sorts of different stuff that's going on.

[1753] Yeah.

[1754] There's different stuff on your skin.

[1755] There's different stuff in your body.

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] There's all sorts of different bacteria that coexist with you and even exist in a symbiotic way, right?

[1758] Like, you need all these things inside your body to consume the food.

[1759] Like, it's part of your digestive system, right?

[1760] E. coli is a natural part of the human digestive tract, right?

[1761] It's all in there, right?

[1762] Yes.

[1763] What, what, what are you when you're starving?

[1764] Are you, like, some crazy wolf person?

[1765] Like, what is a person like?

[1766] I mean, what are they like?

[1767] How, how scary is someone when they're a day from starving to death and they have a knife?

[1768] Well, man, I mean, this is the question of free will versus no free will.

[1769] You're saying, if you get in a stressful situation, does some kind of mechanism of the swarms of organisms that make up yourself kick in where you no longer are capable of making decisions?

[1770] That's what I'm saying.

[1771] I mean, Are you even you?

[1772] Absolutely.

[1773] I don't think it ever goes away, and I think that you always have this weird autonomy that the universe will try to trick you into thinking isn't there, and then suddenly you become a...

[1774] Now, of course, though, I think if you look at the judicial system, there is a form of murder where you don't...

[1775] Temporary insanity is what they call it, right?

[1776] Yeah.

[1777] So, you know, there's like people who temporarily have lost their fucking mind and stabbed someone to death.

[1778] They prove that in court.

[1779] And then in that case, you don't even go to jail.

[1780] You've killed someone because you were temporarily fucking insane.

[1781] But I don't know, man. I think that mostly, mostly, if you really watch yourself, you realize that you're, you're pretty much in control, man. Like you're, when I watch myself when I'm about to be an asshole, like if I'm, I'm about to do something because I'm hangary, as they call it.

[1782] You're talking about the ultimate version of hangary, which is where you result to camelism.

[1783] Hungry and tired.

[1784] Is that angry?

[1785] Yeah, hangary.

[1786] Hungry and angry.

[1787] Hungry and angry.

[1788] So, like, yeah.

[1789] How'd I get tired?

[1790] Where'd I get hungry and tired?

[1791] That's hired.

[1792] But that's hired in a shitty job.

[1793] But, but if you look at yourself, even in that, when you're having, like, buy a chemical shit going down, and you're about to say something nasty to, somebody usually or do something nasty usually you're a you're like i'm about to i'm like do i give into this horrible impulse yes do i just shit all just open my asshole up and spray yeah yeah yeah yeah do i do it and then you do it you say you know what i'm gonna fucking spray and it's it's it's it's just like coming too it's just like coming because it's like when you're about to if you want this thing when you watch yourself about to have an orgasm right and you watch it build and build and build and build.

[1794] And eventually it gets to a point where you're going to decide to come or you can't control it maybe and you're going to fucking come.

[1795] But you can watch it, build and build and build.

[1796] But when you come, the orgasm is like a mild seizure of joy.

[1797] Your body goes through these like, ugh, ugh, there's a whole your entire body has a reaction, right?

[1798] So in the same way, when you start getting angry, it's just like when you're fucking about to come.

[1799] It's building and building and building.

[1800] And then you're like, you know what I'm gonna fucking tell this person how I really fucking feel the day but you're angry and then all this weird seizure shit happens stuff comes out of your mouth you don't even mean it's like half real half not real so but you decide you decide when to squeeze the trigger it's not something that you don't have control of at least mostly right and people who fool themselves into thinking that they don't have control, those are the ones who, I think, relegate themselves into the world of being some kind of machine, some kind of, like, victimy machine.

[1801] Right, but you know that's not really the free will argument, right?

[1802] You know the full free will argument, right?

[1803] I know some free will arguments.

[1804] The most compelling one, the determinism one, what's compelling about it is that it doesn't exonerate you from your decisions, but what it does say is essentially, to think that you are somehow or another separate from the influence of your life and that the influence of your life hasn't in some way influenced the way you decide to act and behave and that a lot of those factors that led you influencing the way you act and behave or led to you changing the way you act and behave are completely out of your control and almost unavoidable in their impact and that these things shape you in some immeasurable way that you'll never be completely autonomous from you never be able to completely separate yourself from the influence of your genetics of your life experiences of your neighborhood of your mom or your dad you're up bringing the developmental period where you may or may not have been ignored or abused or all those factors play a part in how you decide to behave and even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave okay your your own therapy like if you decide hey man I'm tired of jizzing all over people with my asshole every time my temperature boils up at the end of the day, I'm going to figure out how to not come home from a hard day's work at the factory and beat my wife.

[1805] Like even that is potentially determined by your pass and not really you having free will to decide not to be a piece of shit anymore.

[1806] Okay, right.

[1807] So the...

[1808] By the way, this is not my theory.

[1809] This is more of a shitty explanation of what some people have argued.

[1810] And Harris argued it on the podcast, I wouldn't say he's argued it.

[1811] I would say that he explained it in a very interesting way.

[1812] It's compelling, and you have to think about it and take it into consideration when you use terms like free will.

[1813] Well, I would do, I mean, so it gets down to this point of decision, right?

[1814] So when I look at, like, a lot of the decisions that I make, they're spontaneous and they're not, I'm not sitting around thinking, like, how am I going to turn my steering wheel at this moment as I'm on the interstate?

[1815] What mild adjustments am I going to make?

[1816] This is all just a kind of spontaneous thing that seems to be part of autopilot.

[1817] I know a lot of people are running on autopilot in most of what they do, but I still don't think that it negates free will.

[1818] It's like a you could think of your life as a boat.

[1819] And everyone's in a different shaped boat.

[1820] And the boat's been shaped by experience, genetics, generally.

[1821] under all of the...

[1822] Just from my vision.

[1823] What kind of boat am I?

[1824] What kind of boat am I on?

[1825] Yeah, what kind of boat?

[1826] Well, my boat has a fucking graying beard and one ball, brother.

[1827] Just trying to picture a fishing boat.

[1828] Are we in a cruise liner?

[1829] Let's just say it's a fucking...

[1830] For a lot of people, it ain't a cruise liner, right?

[1831] It's a raft.

[1832] For a lot of people, it's a raft that's built of different things that they've decided to grab out of the infinite world, a phenomena, and hammer together to create some kind of vessel, which is their reality tunnel that they're living in, and they're navigating this fucking raft.

[1833] And so sure, some people, they might have a boat that is a little more cumbersome and a little more difficult to navigate through the never -ending string of decisions that you have to make if you exist inside of time.

[1834] But still, you can.

[1835] There's parts of that boat.

[1836] I guarantee it, man. there's parts of your boat that you can revise.

[1837] You might not be able to change at all.

[1838] You're probably not going to be able to change your skin color.

[1839] You're not going to be able to change your yet.

[1840] People are certainly changing the gender of their fucking boats.

[1841] People are doing that right now.

[1842] And I think as technology continues to advance, we're going to find that we're more, when CRISPR, I think we're going to find we're more and more able to actually change the structure of our boats according to our desire.

[1843] higher.

[1844] But if you really analyze what's going on in your life, you will see that you are actively making decisions from moment to moment that are, and who's making the decision?

[1845] Well, I don't know.

[1846] Well, that's where it gets weird, right?

[1847] If you want to say it's your gut biome, if you want to say it's the end of a never -ending series of decisions made by a never -ending string of people.

[1848] But wait a minute, why does it have to be either or?

[1849] Isn't it all these things?

[1850] I mean, I think that's where the argument gets really weird because I think it's all these things.

[1851] It's life experiences and its genetics and its choices and its consciousness and it's the willful expression of positive ideas and forcing them on your life.

[1852] And what is the motivation behind that?

[1853] Is it your past?

[1854] Is it what you've learned?

[1855] Is it a fucking inspirational YouTube video you watched this afternoon?

[1856] Yeah.

[1857] Who cares?

[1858] Whatever it is, it's a bunch of shit.

[1859] It's a bunch of shit going on all over the place.

[1860] And I think the idea of separating that is akin to the idea of separating us from all of the, life that's on this planet.

[1861] I think we've done a weird thing with houses and clothes and cars.

[1862] We've done a weird thing where we're not touching the world anymore.

[1863] We're not touching it with our feet.

[1864] We're not touching it with our skin.

[1865] We're allergic to a bunch of shit.

[1866] We can't get anything on us.

[1867] We can't go anywhere near certain animals.

[1868] If they touch your skin, you get hives.

[1869] There's a bunch of stuff that we've done in separating ourselves from the natural world that's left us really fucking confused.

[1870] And I think one of those confusions lies in when we've created civilizations and cities, we've lost our contact, our physical contact.

[1871] We don't have a physical contact.

[1872] The physical contact in nature is all playing through the bottom of your boots.

[1873] You're breathing it in still.

[1874] Do you occasionally touch it?

[1875] Yeah, you occasionally brush up against a tree.

[1876] But whatever influence these things have through each other in this insane network of interwoven root systems and mycelium and fungus and rotting.

[1877] And rotting.

[1878] leaves and animals all around you and all that stuff, you get through a filter now.

[1879] All that stuff you get through your car window, all that stuff you get through your clothes.

[1880] Yeah, sure.

[1881] You're not in contact with that stuff anymore.

[1882] And by not being in contact with it, you forget that it has a message.

[1883] Like, when you lay in the grass, just lay in the grass, just go somewhere and lay in the grass.

[1884] It feels good.

[1885] It actually feels like the planet is like you're hugging something.

[1886] When you hug someone, it feels good.

[1887] Sure.

[1888] It feels good to lay in a nice, as long as there's no bugs.

[1889] Cunty fucking ants might crawl up your ass on.

[1890] Feels good to temporary laying some grass.

[1891] Yeah, if you don't lay down in a fire ant hive, you get fucked up by a bunch of bees, or bees, by a bunch of bugs.

[1892] But I think that if you go into nature on a daily basis, like there was something that I read the other day that I tweeted about them, some, I forget what the university was, but they were literally saying that there is an argument that a story, that a story was, but they were literally saying that there is an argument that a argument that a story certain amount of nature is like a vitamin antidepressant yeah well like you get vitamin D from the sun yeah there's a certain amount of vitality a certain amount of positive like life force that you get from being in nature makes sense man I mean I know that whenever I go out I mean just like anything just like I have I got plants now that I have to water oh so there's another thing I was going to talk to you about what I was going to ask you do you think if these if these scientists are correct Obviously, they are, about this interconnection between plants and about how they communicate with each other and about how they even allocate resources to those that are in need.

[1893] Is it fucked up to keep plants?

[1894] Is it fucked up to keep something that you decide?

[1895] No, you're going to leave in this box, man. You're going to live in this box right here.

[1896] Oh, it's round.

[1897] Just keep looking for the outside.

[1898] Keep spinning around.

[1899] Keep looking.

[1900] You know, you're not going to communicate with anybody else because there isn't anybody else.

[1901] It's just you.

[1902] It's just you.

[1903] lonely and fucked up sitting in this pot or can they communicate through the air are they communicating through the air and if it does it get through your windows man i got seven thousand things i got to feel bad about before i'm a fucking house plants laying there but should you have plants in your house in a pot okay should they all be outside i mean if they're outside with their friends no problem right if they're outside you you got a yard and you dig a hole and you put your plant in there and you water it and it's grows and it's a part of the whole system that's like a dog with a yard otherwise you're you got a german shepherd and you keep them in a fucking little tiny kitchen do you ever do the thing where you start thinking about how funny the concept of inside and outside is you ever do that like it's so funny because it's like okay in my house i'm now inside even though there's just like a layer of wood around me i'm in some other place that's different than the outside you know you're you're really there is no such thing is inside.

[1904] I'll do you one better.

[1905] How about, how about this?

[1906] How about the phrase, the great outdoors?

[1907] Right.

[1908] What?

[1909] You mean reality?

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] It is odd to be an enthusiast of the world itself.

[1912] Yeah.

[1913] We spend so much time in these artificially created environments with air conditioning and neon light.

[1914] Is it neon?

[1915] No. Depends.

[1916] LCD light.

[1917] These days.

[1918] I think this is not LCD though.

[1919] Fluorescent, right?

[1920] That's what I'm looking for.

[1921] Neon.

[1922] Neon's like cigars.

[1923] Yeah.

[1924] But these artificial environments that we create, we're in them way more than we are the outside.

[1925] So when we're actually in the outdoors, we can call ourselves, I'm an outdoorsman.

[1926] What do you like to do?

[1927] I like to do the Great Outdoors.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] That's what I like, bro.

[1930] Sure.

[1931] I like to be in the Great Outdoors.

[1932] The Great Outdoors is instead of saying the world, nature.

[1933] I'm a nature enthusiast.

[1934] I love nature in all its forms, man, including...

[1935] Houses?

[1936] Virtual reality.

[1937] Not just being in a fucking house, Joe, but being inside another universe inside the house.

[1938] That is what I like.

[1939] And also, guess what?

[1940] Because a lot of anti -VR people, they're like, when are you forget about outside?

[1941] No, I go outside, enjoy the sun, enjoy my shitty little garden with an...

[1942] Speaking of fucking cruelty to plants, God forbid you become one of my plants.

[1943] God forbid.

[1944] May you never be one of my plants.

[1945] But I still go out there and I try to keep them alive.

[1946] But man, VR is such a beautiful thing because it creates the same, almost the same sense of like, you know, like when you go in a big space and it feels good.

[1947] I don't know why.

[1948] But you'll wear, it could be a shitty warehouse.

[1949] But if it's big, if you go into like an expansive plane you're like ah this feels good i put pictures up from the vatican i was in the vatican last week or two weeks ago and i went to st peter's basilica and i put a bunch of photos of it on my instagram feed have you ever been to the vatic not yet you got to go first of all it is trippy psychedelic there's a giant pine cone okay they have this huge courtyard with a huge pine cone which represents the pineal gland and these two peacocks that represent eternal life Peacocks apparently, I took that photo.

[1950] The guide was super psyched when I knew what the pinecone meant.

[1951] His eyes lit up.

[1952] And I said it represents the pineal gland, right?

[1953] And he's like, how do you know that?

[1954] And then we started talking about Christianity and its potential roots in psychedelic drugs and ancient Roman culture and how, you know, like the John Marco Allegro book, The Sacred Mushroom and the scroll, where he thought that what Christianity was initially was a bunch of stories where they hid these psychedelic rituals in parables and stories to hit it from the Romans because when they were being conquered by the Romans they didn't want them to know how magical the mushrooms were and that they were a connection to God and that the pineal gland like I forget the actual chemical composition of DMT but or not the not DMT rather but mushrooms but what DMT is dimethyptamine is in some form that's what happens to psychedelic mushrooms when you take it psilocybin i think it's i think it's like four fox feroxy and and i know i'm butchering it and end dimethyltropomy but it's incredible some version of dimethylptamine is produced when you consume psilocybin mushrooms so these guys knew that they knew that and then it was a part of their art and it represented that pine eel gland this giant fucking 15 foot tall pine cone represented what they thought was the seat of the soul that's why it's sitting there and this fucking this gigantic tray being held up by angels and shit and whoever those saints were man seat of the soul see that's the fucking vr goggles for the soul that's what that is that's the way we peer into this dimension look at the st peter's basilica these photos this is from something that they built in the 1600s with no they had no computers they had no power tools they had no there's photos on my instagram there it is So cool.

[1955] Dude, you're seeing it right now in a picture, and I'm telling you, it doesn't do it justice.

[1956] This thing's insane.

[1957] It took hundreds of years to fully complete.

[1958] And the size of it and the scale of it, it's mine.

[1959] There's one photo that I put where you can see the actual people in the background.

[1960] Look at the size of that fucking place.

[1961] And that is a small sliver of how big the place is.

[1962] I'm telling you, it's not doing it any justice.

[1963] It's perfect.

[1964] The artwork is staggered.

[1965] I mean, staggering.

[1966] Everybody talks about the Sistine Chapel.

[1967] The Sistine Chapel's pretty fucking beautiful.

[1968] I mean, without a doubt, it's a modern, I mean, not a modern, an amazing work of art. But it ain't shit compared to St. Peter's Basilica.

[1969] Look at that.

[1970] It's the all seeing R. Dude, this is, that's the sunroof.

[1971] That's the, that's an eyeball.

[1972] Yeah, whatever it is.

[1973] Looking down.

[1974] No, look at that.

[1975] That's definitely an eyeball, man. There's a bunch of people in the eyeball.

[1976] Yeah.

[1977] They're angels.

[1978] There's angels got stuck in God's eyeball.

[1979] And then just be light.

[1980] Isn't it possible it's just a whole light?

[1981] No, Joe, look right underneath that eye.

[1982] See that pyramid right under the eye?

[1983] Dude, how the fuck did they even climb up there?

[1984] That's a photo of Hercules, that last one.

[1985] That's a gigantic bronze Hercules that they buried in the second century.

[1986] They built it in the second century AD, but it got hit by lightning twice.

[1987] And they went, this thing's fucking haunted.

[1988] So they buried it.

[1989] They buried it underground.

[1990] They didn't find it until 1864.

[1991] Wow.

[1992] Isn't that amazing?

[1993] Dude, the Vatican is a mind fuck.

[1994] That floor is 1 ,700 years old, and you walk on it.

[1995] Everybody walks on it.

[1996] Thousands of people a day walk on a 1 ,700 -year -old mosaic floor.

[1997] Pretty cool, man. That's where they say they've got all these, like, hidden manuscripts and shit that no one's ever going to see.

[1998] That's what you would initially gravitate to, wouldn't you know?

[1999] Secrets.

[2000] The secrets.

[2001] Are you kidding?

[2002] The Vatican's filled with secrets, man. Yeah, a little boy secrets.

[2003] They've been not just that.

[2004] Lots of other shit, too, man. They've been gathering information.

[2005] I mean, think about it.

[2006] It's like they've controlled so many world leaders who have done confessions.

[2007] And you think that the Vatican doesn't like, when a world leader gives a confession, doesn't write that shit down, put it in the fucking life.

[2008] They probably have confessions of some of the greatest kings.

[2009] They knew everything, man. This is the priest class.

[2010] You're freaking me out.

[2011] That's true.

[2012] You're freaking me out anyway.

[2013] I hope I am.

[2014] it should be man that's a fucking Vatican think about what that is well they're a country yeah it's a country yeah it's a small country it's a hundred acre country every time a Catholic puts money in a bowl a little bit of that money makes it to that fucking place that's the nexus point of dough for one of the world's one branch of the world's main religions that's a fucking that's just all the money people who are like just at the end of their fucking rope, people who have like $3 ,000 left in their bank account, but they're like, you know what?

[2015] I'm going to give this to the church because God will bless me. They give that money to the church and that money goes straight to building a fucking shitty lightning -catching statue.

[2016] That's what all the money of people who desperately needed it for actual things has gotten sucked to the Vatican where it's used to build gold thrones.

[2017] that the Pope sits on and talks about the importance of charity.

[2018] It's hilarious.

[2019] Well, he did the new guy doesn't do it anymore.

[2020] The new guy doesn't do the throne.

[2021] He doesn't sit on the throne?

[2022] No, he's not a real chair.

[2023] Vatican Secret Archives, six of the most intriguing documents in church history.

[2024] Oh, my God, documents from the Galileo heresy trial.

[2025] I'd throw that one out if I was the Catholic Church.

[2026] Let's forget about that.

[2027] Let's forget about that.

[2028] Tell me you wouldn't want to read that when they were telling, hey dude you're wrong the earth is the center of the fucking universe now either you want to stay in that attic for the rest of your life like that uh serial killer lady remember that lady serial killer lady what was her name what killed all the young women henry the seventh asking for a divorce an annulment a king has to ask your permission you've become so powerful kings are like can i please break up with my girlfriend that's henry the eighth he was the one that chopped their heads off right yeah that's the ultimate annulment that's when he got sick of sending letters how stupid is they still use v i i i i we had a guess you know you said the seventh and i said the eighth i had to count the low lines oh fuck that reminds me i'm sure you've already talked about this in the podcast and it's stupid so go ahead and call me stupid and i'm sorry don't pre -claim things you know about the barren you know the barrenstein bears yes yes yeah fuck yeah we've talked about it way way back to the deal well it's Vice had a whole article about it.

[2029] I didn't really remember it, so it wasn't that much of a revelation to me. I don't think I read that when I was a kid.

[2030] I was more of a Dr. Seuss -type kid.

[2031] I didn't understand that it was everybody thought it was Steen, but it was stained.

[2032] Yeah, I definitely thought that.

[2033] But the idea that some people remember that Nelson Mandela died in prison and some people think he got out, that's the trippiest idea.

[2034] Well, have you ever, you know the Queen's song, We Are the Champions?

[2035] Yeah.

[2036] Everybody think it ends with, of the world.

[2037] but it doesn't it just ends and everybody tries to sing of the world but it doesn't end that way like there's a funny thing that this guy does on youtube where he gets in a car and he drives people around they lip sync they sing along like karaoke rather they sing along to songs and they're singing along to the queen song we are the champions and it gets to the end and it's george um what the fuck's his name the actor george cluny um julia roberts and uh someone else i forget who the other person is and they're singing along and it gets to the end and they all want to say of the world and it doesn't say that and they're like what the fuck and they're all confused and I thought it did too everybody does it seems like there's a line that we all collectively decided was missing from that song it's a collective fuck up of memory time traveler proof I wish we could play it but we can't play it they'll yank us off YouTube but find the video see just see if you could find the video so we could tell people what video to watch Because it's hilarious watching George Clooney get to the end and want to say, Of the world, we are the champions, my friend.

[2038] What a bad motherfucker of Freddie Mercury was.

[2039] You ever listen to Queen every now and again?

[2040] Oh, yeah.

[2041] Throw on some Queen.

[2042] It's insane.

[2043] Jesus, he was good.

[2044] Yeah.

[2045] He was so good.

[2046] So good.

[2047] Bohemian Rhapsody.

[2048] You play that, you're like, what?

[2049] Like, what an amazing piece of expression.

[2050] He seems like he was one of the most disciplined people when it came to his work.

[2051] Like he seems like somebody who was constantly working on his voice, just a workaholic.

[2052] Maybe, maybe, for sure, unbelievably talented and had an incredible knack for expressing himself.

[2053] I was listening to some NPR interview with a, I can't remember, she's a famous Broadway singer and she's talking about what she does every day.

[2054] And it's crazy.

[2055] Oh, to sing on Broadway?

[2056] Oh, my God.

[2057] She's like, it's like three hours of physical exercise a day, mixed in with an hour of meditation, mixed in with vocal exercises.

[2058] So it's like every single day she's doing like an eight hour prep for this shit that she's doing.

[2059] It's amazing when you hear about people who are that discipline.

[2060] Yeah, that's not good for us.

[2061] We can't do that shit, dude.

[2062] Here it is.

[2063] This is them.

[2064] They get to the end.

[2065] Oh, it's Gwen Stefani was the other one.

[2066] We are the chain.

[2067] Okay, we can play it because it's not the music.

[2068] It's just them singing, but we can't do it because it's their video.

[2069] Yeah, they'll be mad too.

[2070] It's James Corden's show.

[2071] Who's James Corden?

[2072] The late show he took over for Craig Ferguson this past year, I think.

[2073] Here they go.

[2074] They get to the part at the end.

[2075] No, we don't have to see this.

[2076] I'm scared.

[2077] Yeah, we're going to get yanked off YouTube.

[2078] There was a big thing that I tweeted today where some guy was talking about his audio book being on YouTube.

[2079] Oh, yeah, I saw that.

[2080] Yeah, and people, this guy said that he sold 50 ,000 audio books, but there was like 19 ,000 views or something like that on YouTube, and he was like, what in the fuck?

[2081] Like, that's a giant chunk of the people that have listened to my book, pirated it.

[2082] Right.

[2083] You know, and he's like, hey, I get, this is how I make a living, like I get paid from this stuff.

[2084] It's interesting because, you know, obviously YouTube has them up, and they, you know, somehow or another, someone puts it up there, and they didn't get it down without a request like you have to there's an algorithm that finds it you have to find it so like it's totally possible i'm sure a lot of your bits are up there somewhere or someone's put them up and they put them up on their channel you just you don't know you mean from the podcast from podcast from stand up from but imagine if you had a book and you made all your money if you're an author you make all your money off the audiobook or a big a percentage at least can't they just claim do a copyright claim it seems like you just get it off but those 19 000 views he doesn't get those are gone you know right like how many of those 19 ,000 views would have translated into him selling an audio book is the real question that is the real question if any and here's the real question for stand -ups right the question is when your bits make it on youtube like say if you do a comedy central special in particular right and then your bits make it on YouTube the more people pirate your stuff I don't know if you call it pirating but more they take it and they put it on YouTube the more people are going to see you the more people are going to come to see you the more it's going to be worth it to you to do another Comedy Central special, right?

[2085] So it becomes different for us because we kind of exist for the live shows.

[2086] Like the live show is the big, big part of what we do, right?

[2087] Yeah.

[2088] And anything that'll get more people to go to the live shows is like a better thing.

[2089] Right?

[2090] Yeah.

[2091] Yeah.

[2092] I would think so.

[2093] Not for an author.

[2094] I mean...

[2095] For that guy?

[2096] He feels like he got fucked, you know?

[2097] Well, I think, wasn't...

[2098] He's saying that, like, YouTube's, like, culpable here?

[2099] Like, YouTube's making money off of the thing in some indirect way and acting like they're not like it is like who's the person who is because the person who uploaded it are they generating money from the thing or did they just upload it because they love it that's a good question I don't know yeah that that's where it gets weird is it and I think in the article he was saying how you know with a lot of music now thank God when you upload it on your YouTube stream they just get a they just get the profits from whatever you're advertising it Right.

[2100] And that's way better than what it used to be.

[2101] They just need to, they need to upgrade the systems to this guy gets the same deal he has with Audible anytime somebody listens to the book.

[2102] Yeah, I definitely think that he deserves that for sure.

[2103] But here's my weirdness about all this.

[2104] You know, we were talking about language and the limitations of language and the eventuality of a virtual reality.

[2105] And I wonder how we're going to digest data and information in a virtual world.

[2106] Like, if people decide, like, what if you decide that you want to read books in a virtual world?

[2107] Yeah.

[2108] And that this is how you want to read books.

[2109] The way you want to read books is what your feet up on the couch in your mansion, in your virtual world.

[2110] All these girls around you are like finger -bang themselves with high heels on and queen's fat -bottom girls.

[2111] You make the rocking world go around, plays in the background.

[2112] Sure.

[2113] And you get to sit down and read books in a virtual world.

[2114] Yeah.

[2115] What happens then?

[2116] Like, what happens when you're watching movies in a virtual world?

[2117] Well, that's probably, that would be stupid.

[2118] Same as streaming.

[2119] I think the movies would be, they would exist.

[2120] I think movies in a virtual world, they're definitely coming, right?

[2121] And they're going to, you're going to exist in the world.

[2122] Like, you're not going to sit down and watch a movie.

[2123] Oh, no. They have great theaters in VR now.

[2124] You can sit down, put on a movie, and watch it on, like, a massive screen in VR.

[2125] Why would you, don't you think, why do they do that?

[2126] Is there limitations in the medium where they can't have it, the movie play out in front of you?

[2127] Like, if you went to see Jaws, right?

[2128] Oh, I don't know.

[2129] It's kind of nice to watch a movie floating in space.

[2130] I don't mind that.

[2131] There's an app called Virtual Desktop where you, like, you put on your VR goggles, and suddenly your desktop is wrapped around you.

[2132] A giant screen.

[2133] Giant screen wrapped around you that you then can, like, pull up any kind of movie you might want to watch.

[2134] And so you just, like, can sit in there and watch.

[2135] And if you look down, you see space.

[2136] Yeah, that's it.

[2137] Virtual desktop.

[2138] Now, the problem with VR, when you look at that, the problem with VR, like, people looking at it on the internet, is it you cannot convey how fucking cool it looks from looking at it that way.

[2139] Right.

[2140] Like, it is, suddenly there's this massive thing in front of you.

[2141] Does space look real?

[2142] What?

[2143] Does space look real?

[2144] Um, it looks real enough.

[2145] Pretty.

[2146] I wouldn't say that it, I mean, I wouldn't say, really realistic.

[2147] I think there's probably some, there's got to be by now some 360 videos that are actually from Hubble.

[2148] But it looks good enough where you're like, this is fucking incredible.

[2149] Well, what's the benefit of, like, they were just watching you play a video game.

[2150] What's the benefit of playing a video game on a screen in the virtual world instead of playing the video game in the virtual world?

[2151] Well, I think, but honestly, in that case, I don't know.

[2152] Like, I started a game up in there and just like, fuck this.

[2153] You see what I'm saying here?

[2154] Because, like, he's clicking in menus and stuff.

[2155] He's using it like a computer.

[2156] Yeah, I think it's, I don't know if the benefit is the right thing to look for there.

[2157] It's just, it's just badass to, like, suddenly be completely immersed in a new environment doing, like, whatever the work is that you want to do.

[2158] Though with virtual desktop, I just use it to watch documentary.

[2159] About breeding?

[2160] Yeah.

[2161] But what I'm thinking is, like, would you rather, like, okay, like there, perfect example.

[2162] You're looking at a screen, right?

[2163] Clearly a floating screen.

[2164] If you watch Jaws on that floating screen, that would not be as good as if you were sitting and you're living and when you're looking down, you were on the boat with Roy Shider.

[2165] He was like, we're going to need a bigger boat.

[2166] Oh, you mean like if there was like a VR Jaws?

[2167] Yes.

[2168] Oh, yeah.

[2169] That'd be fucking cool.

[2170] It just doesn't exist yet.

[2171] Right.

[2172] But that's what I'm saying.

[2173] Like, that's going to happen, right?

[2174] Of course.

[2175] Yeah, that'll definitely happen.

[2176] For sure.

[2177] No question.

[2178] And when they do things like that, like, Like, will you be able to enjoy other things in that world?

[2179] Like, will you be able to go into that world?

[2180] Like, here we're in the Swiss Alps, where the fuck we are, in a fake world?

[2181] Would you be able to go to this place and put on a podcast?

[2182] Like, would you be able to, like, look down at your phone, find the Duncan Tressel Family Hour, and start streaming it live on your phone while you're skiing down the side of this virtual hill?

[2183] Would you be able to do that?

[2184] Dude, you could already do that.

[2185] Yeah, look, I mean, look, man, this is like Rick and Morty's video game is in VR, is accepting that you're in VR.

[2186] And, yeah, there's like, there's a, there's all kinds of shit you could do in there.

[2187] Like, for example, man, there's a, in one of these games called Fantastic Contraption, which is one of the most sight.

[2188] Dude, show split reality, fantastic contraption.

[2189] If you looked at this where people have managed to put up a green screen so that interpolate the, two videos so it looks like you're actually in the game that's the close show that fantastic contraption is this everything in there's fucking psychedelic but check this out when you see people in the in the reality itself yeah there you go whoa watch what he does so this guy's walking around this is what he's seeing so what we're looking at what we he's seeing is this gonna we're gonna kicked off you two for this you don't need audio don't no audio please I'm worried So this guy's moving around And while he's moving around He's doing a bunch of stuff There's a bunch of things happen in front of them For sure There's like Well just explain to the people that are listening What we're seeing?

[2190] Oh yeah You're just seeing like in fantastic contraption What is that?

[2191] What is fantastic contraption?

[2192] You're in this like weird Pudding Green And you have to build these amazing devices To The way Unfortunately these videos You're not seeing the guy Actually form the shit Like watch this What am I watching?

[2193] And Duncan, my people are listening.

[2194] Watch this.

[2195] Oh, sorry.

[2196] You're seeing, look at this.

[2197] Look at this.

[2198] You have to stretch out these, like, tubes to build this weird device that you, like, then automates itself to try to, I mean, honest to God, talking about it, you feel like a fucking, you're listening to an eight -year -old talk about a drawing that they made.

[2199] Like, what are you talking about?

[2200] It's impossible to convey.

[2201] It's a game, and it's a game where this guy's moving.

[2202] He's got devices in his hand, and then devices move things.

[2203] things in the virtual world he's holding on to these two like controllers but this is not a good if you look up create doesn't matter it's still pretty fucking cool yeah you'll see it on Friday I'll show you I've got it listen what we need to talk about is porn what's that like Duncan what's it like in this world what's it like so um I mean it's like I'll tell you something even better than porn man uh oh um here's what's really cool about VR that I don't think a lot of people have caught onto, maybe a few of them have.

[2204] Because the porn, of course, is amazing.

[2205] It is, if anything is going to drive VR, and I hope everything drives VR, it's going to be the fucking porn.

[2206] Because the porn that is shot for VR is very, very close to, like, experiencing having sex with someone, obviously minus the body, right?

[2207] There's no body there.

[2208] There's no body there.

[2209] But, But it's amazing and it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems.

[2210] And I'm excited to hear the outrage that comes from the world when people start realizing that every single person on earth now has access, not just to, in a voyeuristic way, witnessing.

[2211] Ooh.

[2212] That, that, I'm telling you, man, that is, that's, that's, that's.

[2213] Whoa, this girl's ass is insane.

[2214] And so she's right in front of you, but this is, they're not doing a good job with this because it's got two eyeballs.

[2215] Well, that's just how it, yeah, you have to use virtual desktop to bring those two things together.

[2216] Like, the porn that you download is broken up and is stereoscopic.

[2217] So the VR goggles bring it together.

[2218] So you have to get specific programs that are designed for this, right?

[2219] Yeah, like, yeah, just Google search, Reddit, how not to watch VR porn.

[2220] So these guys that are watching it, like we're watching this guy who's sitting on this bed.

[2221] And, like, he looks like he's doing everything to keep from.

[2222] coming in his pants he's laughed like i don't ever watch porn like that there's like sheer joy in him watching that porn like what you're talking about is something that's very different than watching a two -dimensional screen it's it's as different as sex in watching a two -dimensional screen except there's no body there i mean you are in you look or you can look around you can like you know like for example let's say there was a and by the way i'm not doing this shit a friend of mine watches it but let's say let's say that there was a um let's say that there was a uh in a in a in a in a vr porn experience there's a girl who's giving you a blowjob while another girl is shoving her pussy in your face you can actually look up and see her pussy not her pussy you can look around her pussy and see see see her face looking down at you just like it was really happening so that's vr porn whoa that's what it's like you can look at her pussy and then You can go back to the other girl sucking your dick.

[2223] You could move anywhere.

[2224] You could stare at a feet if you're a weirdo.

[2225] Or not if you're just were a fan of feet.

[2226] Either way, either way, either way, it's a game changer.

[2227] It's a game changer, man. It's a game changer and it's one of the many freedoms that virtual reality is offering people.

[2228] It's like you were saying, who wants to, you know, like even just watching a movie in 2D in your virtual reality room is pretty awesome.

[2229] Maybe you don't have the greatest apartment, right?

[2230] But you put on VR goggles, and suddenly your apartment has transformed into a massive, beautiful space.

[2231] And the HTC vibe, it comes with like VR home, and there's two different versions.

[2232] But when you go into this space, you feel that same sense of expansiveness that you get from being in a big space.

[2233] like it's your body still like feels like it's you know you're in a you still feel that weird sense of freedom that you feel when you're in a big space and you're not there it's beautiful man it's like one of the most liberating incredible technologies i think that a lot some people are giving it a little bit of a hard time right now because they see the game from youtube and they think those graphics look like shit but let me tell you man Do Minecraft and VR.

[2234] Like, I just, I did Minecraft and VR.

[2235] I play Minecraft and VR regularly now.

[2236] But you do Minecraft and VR.

[2237] And when suddenly you're perched on the edge of a cliff, looking down on some hyper -colored underground river, your body initially reacts in the same way it reacts to being at the edge of a real cliff.

[2238] Your balance gets weird.

[2239] You're like, fuck, fuck, fuck.

[2240] It's that real.

[2241] That's the vibe.

[2242] The HTC vibe is, in fucking sane i can't wait to show you man it's like it just works it doesn't it doesn't mess up like anytime i want to now i can go like i've i've made a room in my house where now i can just put on these goggles and i'm instantly in oh fucking there's a game called hover junkers which is so fun what is it so you um you you could you could probably pull it up you ride around like it knows how big the space is that what's called your play space that knows how big it is so you're riding in a craft in this play space shooting weapons at people flying around and these other things yeah it's so you could like you could all go in your garage and you could uh the garage would become the environment where you're playing your game oh yeah man you're not in your garage anymore you're flying around on that fucking thing shooting at people which means you actually have to be good at shooting like you have to be able to aim this isn't like pressing buttons like you need to know how to fire at least some what are you holding are you holding a fake gun no you're holding these controllers that feel exactly like a fucking they feel very close to a gun and it's got haptic technology so when you're shooting it's vibrating like i wonder if this would actually teach you how to shoot better they have they have a great archery program is it making your archery better uh it's making me not do archery because I just do it.

[2243] That's way easier.

[2244] Are you good at it?

[2245] Are you good at this archery?

[2246] Yeah, me doing real archery definitely translated into me playing.

[2247] Look up the, I'm sorry to keep asking you.

[2248] Look up stuff, Jamie.

[2249] Look up archery, the lab, VR.

[2250] This is one of my favorite archery programs.

[2251] They also have VR boxing, which I haven't tried yet, but which I'm excited about because that seems like you could really train people to learn out of box.

[2252] let's see i'm just i don't know if this is yeah that's that's a different archery program than the one that look up the lab fuck it's it's valve look up valve archery VR oh there it is yeah this one's really fucking fun man yeah this one is fucking cool you just shoot at these little guys we were trying to infiltrate your key whoa so you're shooting at things yeah and it's so it's a game yeah oh my god and you're Are you pulling a bow back?

[2253] Like, what are you doing in your hands?

[2254] So you have two controllers.

[2255] You're pulling them back.

[2256] There's haptic, so it vibrates according to the tension of the bow string.

[2257] And then when you want an arrow, you're reaching behind your back and pulling it from behind your back.

[2258] That is nuts, man. Yeah, it's so fun.

[2259] I wonder if it actually could help your archery skills.

[2260] For sure.

[2261] The only problem is, it's really weird because you get used to, like, it's different because you use the compound bow, but you know, you get, no, it's kind of the same.

[2262] You get used to, like, I have a place on my cheek where I put my, my thumb.

[2263] The anchor point changes because the goggles fuck up your, so you have to get used to a new anchor point.

[2264] But it's still pretty fucking fun.

[2265] I mean, how often you get to shoot at things in like an archery range like this.

[2266] Yeah, this is wild.

[2267] And I wonder, I mean, they should definitely be able to do something like this for like compound bows.

[2268] Oh, yeah, definitely.

[2269] I go deer hunting with it.

[2270] There's another archery program that you can get on Steam that looks pretty cool.

[2271] I can't remember the name of it though, but it, it was.

[2272] looks a little bit more, I guess, realistic.

[2273] Well, they have an archery program.

[2274] See if you could find this archery program where you shoot at a virtual screen.

[2275] You actually shoot a real bow at these images on a screen.

[2276] And this, like, you go to, like, in front of, like, a giant movie theater type thing.

[2277] And you stand in front of this thing and these animals walk by.

[2278] Oh, that's cool.

[2279] And they run from you, and they hide.

[2280] And you got to sneak up on them and shoot arrows at them.

[2281] I mean, I'm sure this will be translated into VR.

[2282] And I'll tell you, Joe, if I was, if I were you, man, I would be developing shit for VR right now.

[2283] Developing.

[2284] Yeah, God damn it.

[2285] I'm not a developer.

[2286] I would, there are so many ideas that you will have when you try these goggles on, where you're going to be like, this needs to exist in the world.

[2287] Get this shit developed, man, because it's going to, like, there's so many things that once you experience it, we're like, oh, someone needs to build this.

[2288] Someone, like, for example, a fucking boxing.

[2289] Jamie's nodding.

[2290] In the one hour, I think I got a demonstration of it.

[2291] I was just sitting there asking the guy, so what about when someone gets a hold of this?

[2292] And they start thinking about doing this thing.

[2293] And what about when Rockstar gets it?

[2294] And then they start thinking about making Grand Theft Auto this way.

[2295] He's like, yes, exactly.

[2296] Your brain just, well, fallout is coming for the vibe, which is going to be pretty fucking cool.

[2297] But, dude, and they have like a boxing program that looks like it's still in development.

[2298] But a fucking box, a real boxing program, because it tracks the controllers perfectly in real time.

[2299] So you could actually learn how to box.

[2300] Yes.

[2301] Someone needs to build a real fuck.

[2302] Not only learn out a box, but you could train with the great boxers.

[2303] Maybe you could throw kicks too.

[2304] Well, you would have to have something on your foot.

[2305] You'd have to have another addition.

[2306] Seems like that could be done with boots, right?

[2307] Easily, man. Easily.

[2308] Some kind of sneakers.

[2309] And you could get a great fucking workout too.

[2310] Oh, I'm sure.

[2311] Remember when people were doing dance dance revolution, they lost tons of weight?

[2312] Yeah.

[2313] That was a huge thing.

[2314] Yeah.

[2315] A lot of guys lost, and gals, lost a ton of weight.

[2316] off that dance dance revolution game because it was so fun to do well that's what's funny about VR is that right now when people think of a video gamer they don't you're not going to hear someone say oh they're lean and tan and they like are decks they have such dexterity but now when you think of a someone who's great at VR they're gonna you've got to be in fucking shit there's the boxing program I'm going to download it the creators of this seem like they're super cool son I think I could get a good workout with this they have VR pool too how good I don't want that pool's real but see the thing about this is this is something that you could do on your own and get a workout in what i find interesting about this too is you could tune a dude up and you don't feel bad about it right now what you need to do eventually is they're going to have something that looks like this but it's a robot like both things like you have a thing that you can actually hit well no you could just you could already i'm sure there's a way that you could hang a bag and um because like okay so when i um what i'm talking about something that hits back well yeah that's that that's gonna be something that's crazy doesn't have to have a lot of power it could have like a really mushy arm and it it knows how to move the way the way you move like it's actually throwing punches at you so if it hits you it's not hurting you you know what that could be man it could be like a haptic face mask that registers the punch uh...

[2317] vibrates so that you could feel it, you know, and wherever it hits you.

[2318] It could be, but it also could be like some sort of a robot that has inflatable arms, and the inflatable arms moved with the program.

[2319] So as you're looking at Apollo Creed in front of you, when he snaps his jab out at you, pop!

[2320] He's throwing this, like, spongy, almost like a inflatable raft balloon arm.

[2321] You know, like when the little kid's inflatable balloon toys.

[2322] You know, like that.

[2323] Like, it's not going to hurt you at all.

[2324] It's just going to touch your face.

[2325] It would be fucking incredible.

[2326] And what you're going to see, man, is people are going to get really good at this shit.

[2327] Like, if you're good at shooting in VR, minus, like, the heft of the gun and the real kick of whatever gun in the real world you're using, it's going to translate.

[2328] We are tomorrow at just float in Pasadena, Zach Leary and I are testing out, I think, for the first time, VR in a float tank.

[2329] Zach Leary, Timothy Leary's son What are you up to, Duncan Trussell?

[2330] Huh?

[2331] You dropping out and tuning in and all that show?

[2332] We're trying to induce the observer effect.

[2333] We've got this awesome guy, Dustin, who's helped us build a floating in space program.

[2334] So the idea is, can you induce the effect astronauts report when they're floating in space looking down on Earth?

[2335] If you put someone in the zero -g or the semi -zero -g, of a float tank and give them the impression that they're staring down on planet Earth.

[2336] And we've got this genius designer who's, I haven't looked at it yet.

[2337] Dude, you are freaking me the fuck out right now.

[2338] Well, let's hope it works, man. This is something that makes sense to me, in my world, the world of the float.

[2339] Yeah, man. You know, like something like that, like adding floating to it.

[2340] You know, Crash was trying to do something similar a long time ago.

[2341] He was developing programs.

[2342] He developed a screen, Crash from the Float Lab, I should say.

[2343] He's one of the big innovators of floating tanks in this country.

[2344] He developed a screen that had one of the lowest emissions of light possible so that when you'd be lying down in this tank, complete darkness, you would look up at the screen, and the amount of light came out, it was so minuscule that allowed you to see clearly the images, but didn't show a defined line of a screen.

[2345] So you were never removed from this idea that you're floating through the universe, but in front of you, all these things are playing out.

[2346] And he had this idea that you would learn things easier that way.

[2347] like you could watch like a golf documentary or a golf instructional rather and you could learn like how to swing a golf club properly because you would be seeing it through a first person perspective well um Zach's dad had this idea I think it's called Timothy Leary Tim Leary probably say who his dad was Tim Timothy Leary had this idea of the eight circuits of conscience is it Zach's dad yeah man what a sweetie well I mean anyone and he was a fucking sweetie Tim Leary was like Timothy Leary was one of he was I put him on the same level as Galileo he was an incredibly brilliant human being and a lot of his ideas got lost and is like he he gets called an LSD propagandist but there's a lot of other shit he was coming up with and um one of those was this model I think it's the eight circuits of consciousness the idea is that humans are meant to migrate into space and that in the same way like different creatures when they enter into new habitats, they actually change a little bit.

[2348] There's, or in other words, like, you take a sea turtle who's laid eggs in the sand, and the first time a little baby sea turtle climbs out of the egg and burrows out of the sand, it's a land creature until it hits water.

[2349] And then all of a sudden, all this other instinctual shit kicks in, and it learns how to be a sea turtle, more than likely gets eaten, not a lot of them make it.

[2350] But the ones that survive become sea turtles, right?

[2351] So the idea is that humans are meant for interstellar, for travel in space.

[2352] And that if we go into zero -g, then what could potentially happen are changes in our psyche and maybe even in our genetic makeup.

[2353] Like maybe if we go into space long enough, we'll start transforming into some new creature that we were meant to be.

[2354] What was it, Ed Mitchell that was talking about?

[2355] the experience of being in space that he would like to take everybody up there and that you would realize how ridiculous boundaries are and how ridiculous wars are if you could see the earth as a whole the way he saw it ed mitchell is he still alive i believe he is ed mitchell we're trying to do it for you brother ed mitchell's not alive no he died uh well wherever he was uh he was an interesting guy he was an interesting one because he was really into UFOs especially before he died he was one of the the more compelling case of someone who went into space and came back with a profound belief in UFOs.

[2356] Right.

[2357] But, you know, it's always hard.

[2358] You don't know the guy.

[2359] I don't know the guy.

[2360] I don't know what his motivation was.

[2361] I hope he was being honest.

[2362] But there's a lot of money in UFOs.

[2363] And if you're a fucking astronaut, you want to cash in?

[2364] That's the best way.

[2365] I'm not saying that he would do it.

[2366] I'm not saying that, but the cynic in me has to always go, well, how well do they take care of their astronauts?

[2367] I mean, how well do they get paid?

[2368] I'll tell you what, man. If you can tap into some of that sweet, sweet UFO money.

[2369] UFO dough.

[2370] There's a lot of money in them UFO books.

[2371] Fuck little green men.

[2372] I want little green bits of paper, motherfucker.

[2373] I mean, it's not like Hillary Clinton speaking fees, but if you can get a former U .S. astronaut who went to the moon to sit down and talk to you about the little green men that he might have seen or the idea that they might exist.

[2374] Well, you know what, man. You know, there are nefarious people in this world, and I don't know.

[2375] If fucking Ed Mitchell saw UFOs or not, it wouldn't surprise me that there are other creatures that you run into up there that for whatever reason you're not supposed to announce, I don't know, man, but...

[2376] It's totally possible.

[2377] Look, if we could send a robot to Mars, it's totally possible that something's up there.

[2378] It's totally possible that something is around Earth all the time.

[2379] We just don't get a chance to see it.

[2380] I mean, this is what Terrence McKenna always talked about.

[2381] It's like we spend all this money on these telescopes when for however, you don't even, most people won't even sell you deal.

[2382] Right.

[2383] They give it to you.

[2384] But like when, you know, just like however much it costs for whatever the device you used to inhale the DMT or however much the it costs you to get down to wherever the ayahuasca shaman was or whatever it is, you're going to encounter things that seem to have a personality that is not your personality and that they don't have a normal human body.

[2385] And, you know, I was just reading Alistair Crowley last night and he's talking about we, you know, we.

[2386] use the term angel, not because we're saying there's some angel out there, but it's more convenient than saying, here is a representation of the higher form of human intelligence that has come in the form of an archetype that our brains translate as an angel.

[2387] It's just easier to call it an angel for the sake of just pragmatism because you want to achieve some goal.

[2388] Just call it a fucking angel.

[2389] We used to call aliens angels.

[2390] That's what we used to call.

[2391] Well, isn't the idea of a person with no possible way of measuring what something is?

[2392] Even if, whether you have an experience or not, I have to take your word for it.

[2393] I'm assuming you had an experience.

[2394] You say it was an angel.

[2395] The idea of putting a label on that, a definitive label, like, oh, I definitely met an angel.

[2396] Right.

[2397] How do you fuck do you know what an angel is?

[2398] Right.

[2399] How do you know it was an alien?

[2400] It was definitely an alien?

[2401] You sure wasn't an angel?

[2402] How do you know?

[2403] You don't know.

[2404] You're guessing.

[2405] You don't know what an angel is or an alien is.

[2406] And as a matter of fact, you shouldn't be able to say those.

[2407] words because you don't even know what the fuck they mean either one of those words you're just saying nonsense and for you to be like super definitive about it like you're you're you're definitely sure that it was an angel or you're definitely sure that it was an alien you're crazy you don't even know what you saw well you don't have anything you can bring back there's no physical matter where you brought to a scientist and a bunch of peer reviewed scientists from all out the world studied it and determined that this was actually alien tissue no there's none of that so no matter what it is the label's ridiculous right and they get cut up in the label is kind of to waste your time.

[2408] Unless you're using the label is something to expedite your ability to re -contact that thing, in which case labels are fantastic.

[2409] But if you're using the label to say, oh, yes, this is definitely an angel.

[2410] And then you're like getting in the most insanely stupid arguments over that, then it's a bit of a waste of time.

[2411] But if you have an experience, for example, I don't know, you smoke DMT and you come into contact with a self -transforming machine elves that as Terrence McKenna in hyperspace right so is that really what those things call themselves if they could no of course not but as a tool or a means of trying to in some way bring the transcendent into this dimension then language is a necessity you have no choice well not just that but in McKenna's case it was part of the grand theater of being someone who is a DMT evangelist.

[2412] Right.

[2413] I mean, part of his, his art of what he is, is a performer.

[2414] Like, I'm a big fan of his lectures.

[2415] I enjoyed watching him talk.

[2416] I enjoyed listening to him talk.

[2417] But part of what he was doing was very entertaining.

[2418] He had this oddly soothing voice, this brilliant vocabulary.

[2419] And one of the things he did in one of these interviews that he did, he was, not interviews, rather, he used to do Q &As with the audience.

[2420] They'd ask him questions about psychedelic drugs and things along those lines.

[2421] Someone was asking him something, and he said, you know, know they were like well what can you do and how do you differentiate and how do you keep from being arrested he goes well note i use big words you know and he's a he's a legitimate scholar and he's like if you come up with slogans like drop out tune in like the tune in turn on drop out yeah he goes that's when they come and he goes i keep it low key i have these small meetings they rarely get over 1 ,000 people, and I use a lot of really big words, and I use the richest vocabulary for description that I can muster up.

[2422] Right.

[2423] It was interesting because, like, you listen to him, and he's obviously, like, incredibly well -educated, right?

[2424] And incredibly knowledgeable about the actual physical compounds of all these different psychedelics, and their mechanisms for interaction and the monoamine oxidase inhibitors and all these different things that he's saying that are, like, it causes, like, people who are not, not that smart.

[2425] You go, okay, I don't know what you're saying.

[2426] We let them go, let them keep talking.

[2427] Yeah.

[2428] What do we do here?

[2429] I hope to God they don't care that much about people talking about that stuff, man. It's not they.

[2430] I don't believe there's a they.

[2431] I really don't.

[2432] There's a few people that are they, but those few people that are they, they're bankers and they're industrialists and they're the military industrial complex, the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources.

[2433] If you really think that they're somehow or another actively trying, to in capture or capture people that are talking openly about psychedelics, they don't have time for that shit, dude.

[2434] By the way, I really don't think they do.

[2435] Have you seen the video of Tim Leary in front of the Senate at a hearing?

[2436] That was like 1960.

[2437] What was it?

[2438] I want to say it was like...

[2439] I don't know the year.

[2440] It's one of the funniest fucking things ever, though.

[2441] It's bizarre.

[2442] Because he's a madman and he's in front of these like just hardcore politicians talking about the LSD experience.

[2443] Do you think we'll get pulled off YouTube if we play that?

[2444] that?

[2445] I think that's public fucking, don't we own that?

[2446] Because it's a...

[2447] It should.

[2448] It should be the, it'd be a historical thing.

[2449] Seems like...

[2450] There's a amount of time that things have to, right?

[2451] I don't know.

[2452] If it's like video, I guess it depends on who filmed it, like if it's a TV station filmed it, it's theirs, but if it's like the government filming it.

[2453] Right.

[2454] I mean, I don't know for sure.

[2455] Like, I don't know.

[2456] You've seen video of it?

[2457] Yeah, there's definitely video footage.

[2458] It's on it.

[2459] There's a documentary right now called Dying to Know which is an amazing movie about Ram Dass and Timothy Leary's friendship and it sort of follows the scope of their lives together.

[2460] It's amazing.

[2461] It's fucking well shot.

[2462] But it's really, but it's on there.

[2463] I'm surprised it's not not, anyway.

[2464] I've another question before I forget this.

[2465] Again, this is another thing I want to talk about earlier.

[2466] You know the Fermi paradox?

[2467] You know where are all the aliens if civilization is so likely yes do you think looking at all this virtual reality and this is something I explored I did a single podcast the other day which is me answering questions and somebody asked about the Fermi paradox and it really made me think about it even more and I've been thinking about it since then do you think it's possible that civilizations never get to travel through space because they get to this thing they realize that the real juice is in virtual like why do you have to like physically traverse between one galaxy to another when you can figure out a way through technology and ultimately through artificial intelligence creating infinitely more complex artificial reality that we're going to never travel that all of our travel is going to be done internally well yeah i i do i think that that that is a great response to the fermi paradox and i think that um our addiction to the idea that we are our body right is going to be something that fades away over time and that we stop having this concept that I'm localized in my, that my physical, you know, we live in a world where people believe that all they are is their body.

[2468] They think I am my physical body.

[2469] That's it.

[2470] That's what I am.

[2471] That's the sum total of me. Inside outside.

[2472] Inside, body, outside everything else.

[2473] Even though what we were talking about thing.

[2474] So really, your body is one part of the infinite universe and right now you have become completely fixated on it.

[2475] You think it's you.

[2476] So VR, you put VR on.

[2477] First thing that happens, which is one of my favorite things, is you'll hold your hand up in front of your face, right?

[2478] Right.

[2479] And if you have the HTC vibe, you'll see their amazing controllers just floating in the air.

[2480] But then you'll look down.

[2481] There's no fucking body there, man. You're looking down and it's just a blank space.

[2482] You don't have a body anymore.

[2483] Now, when someone touches you in VR, it's really fucking cool because you don't see them.

[2484] It's like a ghost is touching you.

[2485] And I'm not saying I've done this.

[2486] But if you were to have sex in VR, you've done it.

[2487] Never, Joe.

[2488] I will never have sex out of wedlock.

[2489] But if you were to have sex in VR, then suddenly you don't have a body anymore.

[2490] Okay, but you're having sex in VR with another person who's in VR?

[2491] With another person who you have physical sex with someone and what do you see on the other side it depends on what you decide to be having sex in so you could you could have sex with your girlfriend and pretend it's like the cookie monster you could have sex with your girlfriend and just be laying on in some field looking up at the stars you could have the cookie monster's feet up in the air like bugs bunny and you're banging in the ass here's what's weird man this is what's really weird and no one understands it but with vr apparently people have tried it for some reason they can't do that like there's no way to bring the cookie monster yet to fuck the cookie monster if you are put a man on the moon we could fuck the cookie monster absolutely man you could do that you could you could definitely do that but but it's it's kind of like something about the philosophical implication of not having a body even if it's being induced by technology I'm sure you've taken a high enough dose of something where you merge into the universe and you feel like you don't have a self anymore you should just become so to imagine being able to induce that with VR so that now you've removed the thing that you've been identifying with your entire life your body is yourself and there's just a blank space yet consciousness remains even though you know you have a body when you take the goggles off you know it's there as time passes when you're wearing this shit you begin to forget about there you begin to forget about the external world and when you finally do take the goggles off it's like oh oh fuck oh right this is my office this is my office well that's the same thing that happens in some ways when you get in a tank when you're in the tank with no VR technology you sometimes have experiences where you go into like a dream state you think things are happening that aren't really happening and then you wake up out of them and you're in the tank right and they happen in a crazy vivid way because you don't have any sensory input you're not you're not feeling the like if you have a dream you're still feeling the bed most of the time like you're out of that stage and you're in this this dream dimension but if for some reason you moved a little bit and you hit your pillow or your your foot touch the nightstand or something like that you're going to snap out of it when you're in that goddamn tank you don't feel anything yeah you're flying through space already that's it so you can almost like use that as a homemade virtual reality thing absolutely but the ability to program is where things get squirrel yeah the ability to create any sort of scenario you would like yeah it's the best it's gonna have so many therapeutic uses what haptic feedback yeah man it's it's like haptic so like you know one impossible end result could be full -bodied haptic suits in float tanks yeah in the float tank oh my god I just came well yeah it's it's one it's one it's one it's one of the potential uses of the thing i mean all the there's just so much like just there's just so much it's going to be able to that's going to have i mean one thing i really hope people do is um and i was thinking about doing this man but like i always think about doing things like this i never do it so maybe one of you guys out there i'll do it is like bringing this shit to old senior citizens homes and letting people who haven't experienced it who are maybe like not going to be in this dimension much longer have a chance to like see the future see what's going on because I think it'd be a great service for people people who are like paraplegics in hospitals to bring this technology to them and to let them experience you know the freedom for a little while of the confines of their hospital rooms when you there's so many weirdly anti -vr people man really yeah people were you encountering them I haven't seen anybody dude I was at a well You know, people are like, ugh, VR.

[2492] I've already heard that.

[2493] Like, you know, it's gonna, it's like, it's like 3D TV, that kind of shit.

[2494] Who's saying this to you?

[2495] It's just some dick at a party.

[2496] There's no point talking about it.

[2497] Maybe that guy was trying to impress a girl.

[2498] There was no girl around.

[2499] Maybe he's trying to fuck you.

[2500] I fucked him.

[2501] Okay.

[2502] Did you tell him virtual reality is really piece of shit?

[2503] You think he was nagging me?

[2504] He was trying to like, yeah, he's probably trying to prod you.

[2505] Or he didn't like the fact you're smarter than him.

[2506] I don't know if I was, but I'll tell you, it's going to be, it's going to be one of the most powerful therapeutic tools that's ever existed.

[2507] Just what it's going to be able to do just for like, you know, you hear about there was a great, I think it was a vice article.

[2508] I can't remember which article about a guy who has to program the music that people listen to during the mushroom studies that they're doing.

[2509] like what playlist do you play for someone who's undergoing psychedelic therapy right but for this tool for psychedelic therapy like the ability to there's a program oh my god when you come over i can't wait to show you this it's called sound self sound self and what it is is you put these goggles on and headphones that have a microphone on and you chant into the thing right so you're like oh and it it it takes It takes your, that's it.

[2510] Again, this stuff is, it takes that, responds to the sounds you're making and then plays it back through your headphones.

[2511] So you hear your voice being transformed and replaced as like deeper or lower.

[2512] It's just very psychedelic.

[2513] And you're watching the images while you're hearing your voice that's being altered.

[2514] It's like you're doing rounds.

[2515] How many people are going to be saying that?

[2516] What's this guy's video so we could get him some views?

[2517] What does it say?

[2518] Oculus Rift game, sound self, virtual reality, guinea pig review.

[2519] Yeah, it's so cool.

[2520] God, damn.

[2521] And that's something, if you guys out there have a...

[2522] Oh my God, look at that.

[2523] Well, let's just...

[2524] Yeah, let's explain what we were watching.

[2525] We're watching is these crazy three -dimensional computer animations that look like...

[2526] They look like psychedelic trips.

[2527] It looks like almost like a gateway...

[2528] not DMT itself, but like a gateway to DMT, like right before you blow through.

[2529] Like there's a moment, there's a moment where you see like what I think what they describe is the flower of life before you blast on through to the other side.

[2530] Now, for those of you have an HDC Vive, if you want to use this game, you can pay for the alpha.

[2531] It's 30 bucks.

[2532] This guy's goggles with the eyeballs.

[2533] And then you've got to use something called the Revive Injector to get it to run.

[2534] Anyone who has a vibe out there will know what I'm talking about Because like...

[2535] What is the difference between I'm starting to interrupt you But what is the difference Oculus Rift and a Vive?

[2536] So, unfortunately, Oculus has created, has made a bunch of deals with developers to make exclusive content for the Oculus, right?

[2537] And Oculus is great.

[2538] It's really cool.

[2539] That was Oculus.

[2540] That was Oculus.

[2541] But it's not as good as the Vive for a few different reasons.

[2542] One of the reasons is the Vive is designed for being able to walk around The Vive comes with these, and maybe the Rift, you can do it, but it seems like it's more localized.

[2543] But the, so forgive me, by the way, Oculus Rift people, I love you.

[2544] Carmack's coming on soon.

[2545] I had the DK1, I had the DK2.

[2546] You know John Carmack from the Gid Software?

[2547] Yes, he's involved in Oculus Rift now.

[2548] Oculus is great, and God bless you guys for making VR possible, because they were the ones of Palmer Lucky, ran with his fucking torch.

[2549] He, like, made this fucking happen.

[2550] The only problem is that Oculus released without controllers like Vive has, right?

[2551] And that was a big mistake, man. So that boxing thing that we saw that was Vive?

[2552] That was VAL.

[2553] But Oculus is releasing controllers now.

[2554] And honestly, now that I'm getting so sucked into VR, I've actually considered buying an Oculus Rift just so I have both.

[2555] But you don't - Christ, dude, you're deep.

[2556] You don't really need it because you can use something called Revive, which allows you to play Oculus games on the H -T -C -Vive.

[2557] You're so deep in this, man. It's weird to see.

[2558] It's the coolest fucking thing, Jeff.

[2559] But this is the same Duncan that was terrified of EverQuest and World of Warcraft and all that other shit that you got sucked into.

[2560] You're not terrified of this.

[2561] You're just a whole hog diving right in here.

[2562] It feels right.

[2563] I love that expression.

[2564] It feels like the right thing.

[2565] It feels like, and it's cool.

[2566] I'll tell you, man, by the way, there's not a lot of people right now who have VR.

[2567] gear and there's just some kind of like exciting thing about ground floor ground floor and being like oh my god this is going to change the world let's do a podcast um from your place let's do your podcast this Friday Duncan and I are doing the ice house in Pasadena on Friday night we're doing the 8 o 'clock show sold out sorry um but we're gonna do we'll do a podcast from your house and we'll do it with me experiencing your VR for the first time and we'll get barbecued.

[2568] We'll try two things.

[2569] We were so high before this show.

[2570] I was worried if I was going to be able to pull this off.

[2571] Man, that breast spray ain't playing around.

[2572] I was worried.

[2573] I was worried.

[2574] I was like, oh, no, I went, I'm too gone.

[2575] I don't know if I can handle this one.

[2576] Dude, I did a podcast with Sam Harris, and I took 12 shots of the breast spray for the podcast.

[2577] Jesus.

[2578] I wanted to see what would happen.

[2579] And I kept going and halfway into the podcast.

[2580] I was like, oh my God.

[2581] It was like I was skiing down a hill, like I was on a black diamond ski course.

[2582] I was up, and I was moving, and I was conscious, and I knew just keep, just keep paying attention to the road, left and right and left and right.

[2583] You're going to make it.

[2584] You're going to make it.

[2585] You're going to make it.

[2586] Where do you get jombo from?

[2587] Shh.

[2588] Don't say the name out loud.

[2589] Really?

[2590] Yeah, yeah.

[2591] It's a girl has no name.

[2592] I'm sorry.

[2593] A girl has no name.

[2594] She doesn't, but I don't want to say it three times like Candyman in front of the mirror.

[2595] We'll talk later.

[2596] Friday night, you motherfuckers.

[2597] So we'll be doing an episode of the Duncan Trussell Family Hour.

[2598] Thanks, Joe.

[2599] We'll be at the Ice House.

[2600] My pleasure, my brother.

[2601] I always love doing these.

[2602] We need to do these more often, you know.

[2603] We're really good friends, but we see each other and get deeper with each other during these podcasts than we ever do in real life.

[2604] I know.

[2605] Because if we were in real life, we would be talking to other people, we'd be looking on our phones, we'd be doing some other shit.

[2606] I know, man. We'd be eating.

[2607] I love these moments, Joe.

[2608] There's some of the happiest moments in my life.

[2609] So I'm so grateful of you.

[2610] Let me be on the show from time to time.

[2611] I'm grateful that you're on it, man. But what I wanted to say was it's a fascinating thing because I never would have imagined that we would get to know each other better and deeper and more intensely by doing podcasts together where the whole world could hear it.

[2612] I mean, you and I have had some crazy fucking conversations alone in private, just you and I just talking about stuff for hours and hours.

[2613] But there's something crazy about doing these like this.

[2614] We're doing live, and then we're putting them out.

[2615] They're fascinating, man. We've got to do it more often.

[2616] Hare Krishna.

[2617] All right, we'll be back tomorrow with Wayne Federman, my friend, Wayne Federman, very funny stand -up comic.

[2618] Neil Brennan's coming.

[2619] It looked like it was going to be Gary Johnson and Stanhope on Thursday, but Gary Johnson might have to pull out.

[2620] He got to fly in to Wednesday.

[2621] He's doing a town hall meeting on CNN, which is big news because he's a third -party candidate.

[2622] That's what happens to people get sick of the two parties.

[2623] All right.

[2624] But we'll be back soon.

[2625] See you.

[2626] Bye -bye.