The Joe Rogan Experience XX
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[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.
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[3] What's up?
[4] Hey, how we going?
[5] Thanks for having in.
[6] My pleasure.
[7] It's going on.
[8] It's an honor.
[9] Good to be here.
[10] The cold showers, what we're talking about before.
[11] Those are the hardest.
[12] Oh, well, New York City cold showers in the winter are brutal.
[13] Because it doesn't get your whole body, so you actually have to constantly move around and re -freeze your hours.
[14] off, you know what I mean?
[15] It's hard to breathe, too.
[16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[17] Yeah, yeah.
[18] I used to do them for a while, though.
[19] When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there was this dude I used to work out with named Bob Caffarella, and he was like a real psycho.
[20] And Bob used to always take cold showers.
[21] He said it was good for the spirit.
[22] It is.
[23] We would all be sitting around going, what the fuck is wrong with him?
[24] This guy's in the shower.
[25] It was January in Boston.
[26] And this guy's in the show.
[27] I'm just fucking freezing.
[28] But I feel like when you do it, it's like you feel afterwards, this awakeness that you only get with drugs like that like fucking like oh I'm like you never realize how not present you are until you take a cold plunge and then you're like oh now I'm fucking in the world right because your body's trying to protect you from dying yeah which is a real rush it's it really is though it's nor epinephrine that's the big one dopamine kicks up everything and it lasts for hours that's what I tell people even though they don't want to do and I'm like I know it sucks I don't think it's good I don't get in and go this is amazing I'm the best.
[29] I get in and I go, oh, this is the fucking Jesus Christ.
[30] Just keep it together.
[31] And I just try to stay calm.
[32] But I know when I get out, I'm going to feel great for hours.
[33] Exactly.
[34] Hours and hours.
[35] Except for the time I did it on your instruction and fucked up.
[36] It was like jackass doing it at home and like getting a nut ripped off.
[37] I did the, I saw you do it.
[38] It looked great.
[39] Put the ice in the bath.
[40] And I was just cold for like two days straight.
[41] It was crazy.
[42] Yeah.
[43] I wouldn't recommend doing it for 10 minutes the first time.
[44] You went a little crazy.
[45] I went a little crazy.
[46] Yeah, but kudos to you for doing it.
[47] It's fucking hard to do 10 minutes.
[48] Well, I don't like, I used to do a lot of drugs.
[49] I don't really do drugs anymore.
[50] I mean, I'll do edibles and occasionally create them.
[51] So, I guess I do some drugs.
[52] And I'll do cocaine and heroin, but I'm pretty clean other than that.
[53] I mean, I eat processed foods a lot of dessert, but fuck it.
[54] Yeah.
[55] I mean, crystal meth, but that's it.
[56] And I drink whiskey.
[57] No rocks.
[58] But I don't do like the big drugs.
[59] So the coal plunge is really the closest to get to that high.
[60] Yeah, if you could get that in a pill, it would be a very popular pill.
[61] I know.
[62] I'd be taking it all day long.
[63] I know.
[64] But part of it is probably going through the pain, right?
[65] Yeah.
[66] It's just better for your brain, because there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman has talked about this, I forget what it's actually called, but there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself and to do difficult things.
[67] Like, say if you're a person who likes to run, and you force yourself, I'm going to run five miles every morning for 60 days.
[68] Like, if you, You can actually do that.
[69] So an asshole.
[70] Yeah.
[71] This is my Fred Camp.
[72] I'm trying to imagine myself running.
[73] I have a buddy in one that was doing a marathon every day.
[74] Oh, really?
[75] Yeah.
[76] He's a psycho.
[77] He does these ultra -marathons.
[78] Oh, my God.
[79] Where they run for three days.
[80] He does...
[81] Like Forrest Gump.
[82] But he...
[83] No, Force Gump was...
[84] No, Forrest Gump was running.
[85] Yeah.
[86] Yeah, he ran across America.
[87] But they do these things through the mountains.
[88] Like, they do the Moab.
[89] I think it's the Moab 200 or 240.
[90] So it's 240 miles.
[91] through mountains.
[92] It's not just like straight 240 miles.
[93] Like you're going over mountains and hills and shit.
[94] I can run for about seven minutes and I'm probably lying about that.
[95] I'm definitely lying.
[96] I can run for about four minutes before I have to like stop.
[97] I don't, I used to not run at all and then I entered into a 5K and I couldn't believe how hard it was to do.
[98] It's insane.
[99] I thought I was in reasonably good shape.
[100] Yeah, it's crazy how much more in shape other people are.
[101] Especially running.
[102] shape.
[103] Like the runners are people who can do the sprints.
[104] They can do something for like a really long time that I can do for maybe like two seconds.
[105] I think they're drug addicts too though.
[106] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[107] Natural drugs.
[108] The natural runner's high.
[109] Yeah.
[110] Fedric, not a fendron.
[111] Euphoria.
[112] What are you called?
[113] Whatever that thing is.
[114] Runner's euphoria.
[115] Yeah.
[116] I don't know what the, what are the actual chemicals that get released during a runner's high?
[117] We'll find that out.
[118] Yeah.
[119] It's got to be dopamine.
[120] But the.
[121] There's a thing that you do when you do a lot of cardio where you do get really high.
[122] Not high in a bad way, but high in a little, very chilled.
[123] Endorphins.
[124] Endorphins.
[125] That's what you're looking for.
[126] Popular culture identifies these chemicals behind the runner's high.
[127] So you just, it says a short -lasting.
[128] I don't think it's that short -lasting.
[129] But you have to do it for a while.
[130] You have to run for like, I think, 45 minutes.
[131] Oh, here it goes.
[132] It says up to a few hours.
[133] That makes sense.
[134] So the bliss, it can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.
[135] But it's side effects.
[136] Yeah, no, I mean, that's, when you don't do drugs, like, that's the only way.
[137] Yeah.
[138] My dad plays tennis every day for, like, five hours.
[139] That's a good thing.
[140] Yeah.
[141] That's a great thing.
[142] He's obsessed.
[143] He watches.
[144] All he does is play tennis or watch tennis.
[145] Really?
[146] Just a tennis freak.
[147] He's a tennis freak.
[148] And he's retired?
[149] So he just plays tennis all day?
[150] Just plays tennis.
[151] He has one of those rackets where you, he's a real nerd about where you plug it into the computer and look at the data.
[152] Whoa.
[153] And then he's either playing tennis or doing that or just watching tennis on TV.
[154] It's all I cares about.
[155] See, that's one if you get into, you're relying on your vehicle, unfortunately.
[156] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[157] You know, like, if you're getting into chess, you can pretty much always move those fucking things around.
[158] Yeah, yeah.
[159] You know, if you really get obsessed with chess?
[160] Chess is my favorite sport.
[161] Really?
[162] I'm only out of breath after the first 45.
[163] Do you play chess?
[164] I used to play chess.
[165] I used to be in the chess club.
[166] Oh, no kidding.
[167] I don't play any more as well, but I love chess, yeah.
[168] I'm scared of chess.
[169] Really?
[170] Yeah, I'm scared I'd get addicted to it.
[171] Like, so the same reason why I won't.
[172] It's not crack.
[173] Right, but I don't have any time That's why I won't play golf Same thing I'm sure The golfers, like Jamie's big golfer They'll tell you how awesome it is I'm like I believe you I'm not gonna try it I'm not gonna let it get its fucking fangs into me That's how I feel about video games Oh yeah My comic friend play video games And I'm like I think that's the worst drug Because then you're just doing You're just wasting your life There's no intervention Also it doesn't have to be sunny out You can fucking three in the morning Like I don't want to go to bed I got I was at my brother's place I played a video game once and I haven't played it since like Golden Eye so I didn't see any of the improvements so I started playing it's like they're like movies now it's like crazy and I got so hooked there was a moment where I just like saw myself being addicted and just like snapped out of it it was like four hours straight yeah I had to quit cold turkey I used to play Quake online it gets it like numbs you out it's crazy it's just too easy to get a game because you could always at any moment in time I could either be bored I could be having a conversation that's boring or I could be doing something boring, or I can just log in and have a death match one -on -one with some dude from fucking Denmark.
[174] I know, like, it's crazy.
[175] Like, I remember typing, like, where do you live?
[176] And then people are like, I'm in Estonia.
[177] Like, whoa, that's crazy.
[178] Like, while you're killing them.
[179] Well, you kill each other and you make little pauses and you ask you, it's fun.
[180] It's crazy.
[181] Yeah, it's fun.
[182] I just, yeah, I'm afraid to, like, waste all that time.
[183] 100%.
[184] I'm like a workaholic a bit, which obviously you are.
[185] Yeah, but that's.
[186] think that's okay.
[187] As long as you're doing something that you actually enjoy, I don't think there's anything wrong with being obsessed with something.
[188] Yeah.
[189] No, I'm not a workaholic when I, when I worked at Red Lobster, I was not a workaholic.
[190] When I worked at Frisch's Big Boy, I was not.
[191] Let's get this right.
[192] I think that's the deal with a lot of kids that are bored in school and they're calling them ADHD.
[193] I think they think that the subjects that are being discussed are boring as fuck.
[194] Of course.
[195] They're bouncing off the walls.
[196] They're 13 years old.
[197] They have so much fucking hit.
[198] Why is it never the teacher's fault?
[199] Exactly.
[200] Why did the teachers say something interesting?
[201] It's insane.
[202] It's like to be like, oh, no, no, no, they're just, it's like if an audience doesn't laugh and you're like, no, no, it's not that I'm not funny.
[203] It's that you have laughing deficit disorder.
[204] It's like it's throwing the ball onto something else.
[205] Be interesting.
[206] There was an article in one of the science journals recently about, one of the science magazines recently about ADHD.
[207] And then they were saying that it was actually an advantage to think that way for hunter gatherers.
[208] Oh, wow.
[209] And that's, this is left over from where they're constantly looking at other things and trying to pay attention.
[210] And they could focus on one thing, like very intensely.
[211] Oh, wow.
[212] But they're scanning for a bunch of other stuff.
[213] But you notice.
[214] Yeah.
[215] You're like, ooh, what's that?
[216] And then it's like a raspberry.
[217] Also, they're always in activity in motion.
[218] ADHD may have evolved to help foragers know when to cut their losses.
[219] Oh, interesting.
[220] You're too focused.
[221] This is interesting.
[222] You get killed.
[223] This is not the one that I read because this is from February.
[224] The one I read was just a couple of days ago, but symptoms of attention, deficit, hyperactivity disorder, such as impulsivity may have helped foragers and hunter -gathered communiors quickly move on to new areas when food sources were low.
[225] That's amazing.
[226] So if you're too focused, you don't know one to quit.
[227] Right.
[228] And then you get fucking killed or you run out of resources.
[229] That makes sense.
[230] Like, it's like an instinct, let's get the fuck out of here.
[231] Right.
[232] Right.
[233] Yeah.
[234] Well, you know, I got really addicted to Adderall, like everyone.
[235] Oh, wow.
[236] I'm scared of that too I've never tried it I used to when I was in after college I started taking it like recreationally I went to a psychiatrist and told her I had a problem and she was like well we can prescribe it for you Oh Jesus Christ Then it'll no longer be a problem Oh my God I was like okay I was thinking more like rehab But sure What kind of fucking psychiatrist She's probably on out of all I know I'm amazing Why don't you join me It's insane Let's clean my house I did it for like I got super I was doing 90 milligrams a day.
[237] Is that a lot, Jamie?
[238] It's a lot.
[239] What is a normal dose?
[240] 10?
[241] Yeah, when I did 20, I was fucking up for 48 hours or something like that.
[242] It's crystal math for nerds, but it's crystal meth.
[243] I mean, it's fucking, it's like, it's intense.
[244] I was so cock.
[245] I wrote poetry.
[246] That's how high I was.
[247] I thought I could write poetry.
[248] This gentleman Norman Oler was on my podcast two weeks ago, and he wrote all about the meth in the Third Reich.
[249] Dude, it's crazy.
[250] And speed, yeah.
[251] The whole thing was meth.
[252] They were all methed up.
[253] They were methed up when they fucking did the Blitzkrieg.
[254] I do a bit about that now about Hitler being on speed.
[255] I'm obsessed with Hitler.
[256] Oh, man. I have like one of my books shelves is just all Holocaust and Hitler books.
[257] Really?
[258] Yeah.
[259] But I'm dying to read that.
[260] I know Goring was on everything.
[261] They were all on everything.
[262] Goring was on like huge painkillers the whole time.
[263] He was Hitler.
[264] Hitler was on.
[265] One of the misconceptions that he was on meth, it appears a lot of what he's on was oxies.
[266] who's on oxycodone.
[267] Yeah, they had the original oxycodone.
[268] So they were just like, hot.
[269] It's like when you get high and you run over someone.
[270] Yeah.
[271] They were like, what the fuck did I do when I was high?
[272] They don't even care.
[273] I killed all the juice.
[274] Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know why?
[275] And she has no wheel on her car.
[276] Her car is like spitting flames.
[277] Have you ever seen it?
[278] No, I've not seen it.
[279] And they pull over and she's like, what's the problem?
[280] And the cops like, man, are you on pills?
[281] Like, what the fuck is going on?
[282] How do you not know you lost it?
[283] a wheel on the highway you know what I got to see it it's bonkers no that's insane I yeah it is like the Nazis were just all on drugs which yep is just like a crazy I mean the whole Third Reich is surreal that's the great look at this so here's this lady she's just driving like nothing's wrong waving hi back of another car near Quail Hill shopping center she says her car just gave out police say the woman was not impaired and they didn't arrest her what the fuck you're talking about that lady's on pills If she's not impaired She shouldn't be ever driving If you don't notice you lost a wheel Right, that's a big red flag Did they, there was that the same one That might not have even been the same one A longer video of what was happening Look on the screen, longer video Right, okay, this is it Like there's no way you don't know that There's no way you don't know And the truck's open Also The back the fucking back is completely open I say that's not even the big problem at this point I can't imagine that she's not medicated That doesn't make any sense to me. Like, something's going on.
[284] If she isn't medicated, she's a psycho.
[285] Right, something's wrong.
[286] If she's not medicated, like, she's got a blown fuse.
[287] But also, that's how cars get, they catch fire like that.
[288] No, that's insane.
[289] Yeah, no, I, uh...
[290] What does this guy say?
[291] Erotic behavior.
[292] Are you having a hard day?
[293] You can kill people.
[294] You can't kill people.
[295] Oh, Jesus.
[296] Well, there we go.
[297] assholes.
[298] Well, unless she's making it up.
[299] She might be making it up.
[300] But she might be telling the truth, which makes sense where you're like, your whole world is like, what is life?
[301] I'm going to die real soon.
[302] They can't fix this.
[303] And you're just, the car's fucking up and you don't even care.
[304] That could be it.
[305] The patch is open.
[306] You don't even care.
[307] Yeah.
[308] Your world is over.
[309] Or you're like, oh shit, I fucked up.
[310] Let me say something to get out of it right now.
[311] You're a cynic.
[312] I am an optimist.
[313] I look for the good in people.
[314] I did a show once when I was like younger.
[315] You know, you start, you have, like, very, I mean, I guess I still have dark jokes, but I'm having some joke about SIDS, you know, the sudden infant death.
[316] And I was doing it.
[317] It was like some pizza shop in my hometown in an audience, and one person in the audience looked really upset.
[318] And I go, what?
[319] You know, like the joke?
[320] And they were like, our kid died of SIDS.
[321] And I immediately, like, went into, like, you know, like, when you were starting out, I just went into the oldest, safest material.
[322] I'm like, so I'm broke.
[323] Anyone else overdraft?
[324] You know, I just go right into it.
[325] Oh, panic.
[326] And then at the end, I went up to him and her and I apologize.
[327] And he was like, oh, we're just joking.
[328] I was like, that's the worst heckle ever.
[329] Oh, that's so mean.
[330] But I stopped doing that kind of joke afterwards because it's like, it's fine to do those kind of jokes, but you have to be prepared.
[331] Right.
[332] I was not prepared.
[333] Like, I don't want to upset people like that, so I just stopped doing it.
[334] Especially someone who lost their kid.
[335] Right.
[336] So I was like, I can't do those jokes.
[337] Like, I'm not against someone doing.
[338] Like, that's like Anthony Jessel.
[339] No, no, of course.
[340] A shit ton of jokes like that.
[341] Of course, yeah.
[342] They're great.
[343] People enjoy it.
[344] It's not bad.
[345] It's not bad comedy.
[346] It's like, but at least with a guy like Jesselneck, you should know what you're getting into.
[347] And don't try to pretend there's something wrong with what he's saying, but all these other people don't have a problem with it.
[348] It's a taste thing.
[349] Yeah, exactly.
[350] It's like, but when you start out, no one knows who the, you know, no one knew who I was at their pizza shop in Bloomington, Indiana.
[351] That's why it's so dangerous.
[352] Yeah.
[353] But the only way they're going to find out that's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble.
[354] You got to do it.
[355] You've got to get in trouble.
[356] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[357] I mean, thank God I started before people filmed stuff.
[358] I said the worst.
[359] How many years are you in now?
[360] 17.
[361] Okay, that's great.
[362] That's great.
[363] I've said horrible shit, but it's not on film.
[364] But you also, you got in, I think the filming thing is fucking strange, right?
[365] Because some people want to get filmed because you can get some clips, like, interacting with the audience.
[366] Right.
[367] But it's like, you have to have an opportunity.
[368] to work out stuff.
[369] Of course, yeah.
[370] Because there's times when you're on stage and you're saying things and you have a new bit and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it there.
[371] Of course, yeah.
[372] And you have to like, that's why when they Luke the Louie thing.
[373] Yeah.
[374] It was any comic who, like, criticized them should lose their comedian badge right away.
[375] They have to me, yeah.
[376] If you release something when they weren't planning it, it doesn't matter what they said in it.
[377] You're at fault for releasing something, you know?
[378] Well, it's obviously as an audience member that released it, but the comics had criticized them.
[379] Like, hey, man, fuck you.
[380] Like you pretend First of all The guy didn't do comedy For 10 months Yeah And then second The stuff that he was saying If you know him And you know his act And I guarantee you fucking do Because a lot of those people Are just haters Yeah If you know him You know given enough time He would make that horrible premise Really fucking funny Frankly it was pretty funny then Pretty funny then It was horrible He's saying like Push the fat kid in front of you But that's funny But you don't think There would be layers Upon layers That would make that joke brilliant in a year if you just let him do it and you learn the cushions like he didn't have the cushion you learn louis people like louis the great comics are great at learning how to make a hard joke work yes and he hadn't maybe developed the cushions yet on stage but they hadn't done any comedy at all in 10 months yeah this is like literally the first set he did i think anyone who criticized him about that was the kind of comedian who doesn't take risks because if you take any risk you wouldn't want stuff to be released right exactly and if you understand how jokes are developed like yeah exactly there's too many people that like got into it from something else and they did stand up in the beginning and then they got into it again they considered themselves stand -ups and then they'll come out and criticize something like this and you could just shut the fuck up man you're not even doing it right yeah you're not even doing it right like you're you saying that he's that this is bad like come on man we this is how everybody creates material you have to yeah once he puts it on a special then you can judge it once he decides but until then yeah work on it you know imagine my Sid's joke was filmed I'd probably probably get some dinner I'd back then well now on Twitter you'd become a hero yeah but no one knows about it except for me bringing it up right except for all your listeners it's like you've got to have a place where you can fuck around and that's the problem with like filming all the time because there's there's things that like you'll start a bit off when you first start writing it and start making it it's like it's so different than when it finishes.
[381] You've got to be able to find that and not have people see it.
[382] Yeah, not have people see it because it's, you know, comedy is like, you want people to see the finished product, but it's embarrassing until then.
[383] You're sweaty, you're working shit out, you're stumbling, you're bombing.
[384] You're like, you don't want people to see that part.
[385] Well, it's fun to watch as an audience member, though.
[386] One of my favorite things is watching a bit develop.
[387] Yeah, for sure.
[388] Watching someone, like, come up with an initial premise, and maybe they come in the green room, we're all brainstorming and try to figure, what is, what part is, where is it You get clunky.
[389] It's interesting.
[390] To me, it's all a mystery, like, how it develops.
[391] Like, I think about it, I listen to tapes, but when you just keep doing it, it just naturally edits itself.
[392] It's an interesting mystery where it naturally forms, you know.
[393] As long as you're not rigid.
[394] Yes, yes.
[395] And listen to it all, yeah.
[396] Yeah, because some people are rigid, and this is a problem that, like, open micers have and beginning comics, is they started doing a bit a very certain way, so they're kind of comfortable saying it that way.
[397] uncomfortable on stage already.
[398] Right.
[399] So they keep saying it the same way.
[400] That's the death of comedy.
[401] One of the thing Louis taught me, or not told me, something I understood, but he really articulated it.
[402] It's like, the enemy of comedy is roteness, figuring out that you, once you think you can say it a certain way where it gets a laugh, it's dead.
[403] Like if you're relying on to just say it that way to get a laugh.
[404] Right, right, right.
[405] And he showed, he, like, he made it clear, like, you really, and he shows it.
[406] You really got to think about the emotion behind it, which you forget immediately after a while.
[407] But, like, I, I, I fall into this trap all the time where I figure out a way to say a joke and it gets a laugh.
[408] And I think the minute you're 100 % sure it's going to work, that's when it starts dying.
[409] Right.
[410] I know what you're saying.
[411] Yeah.
[412] Like, it has to, I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment.
[413] You can't be just reading a script.
[414] You have to think, yeah, instead of, yeah, to me it's like instead of thinking of like, oh, I'm saying something now that we'll get a laugh.
[415] Just try to think of the anger or their sadness or whatever.
[416] Right.
[417] why what is upsetting you or making you laugh hysterically about the subject that's why bill burr is so great because it's like he's not he doesn't look like he's trying to get people right right right right he's really angry yeah yeah he is you know if you talk to bill in the green room that's the same guy yeah if i fucking told him and that's what's yeah and that's what's hilarious just kind of like the fact he's so great at keeping that anger i don't know if it's an act i mean keeping that anger live through all these shows.
[418] It's not an act.
[419] He's just a psychiatrist.
[420] You can call him right now.
[421] Bring up something that annoy.
[422] Listen to you.
[423] You know what my favorite is when he's on a podcast with someone and they take himself seriously?
[424] Like he was on with Bill Maher and he was just chewing Bill Maher up.
[425] And then he was on Charlemagne the God and he was chewing him up.
[426] It's just, I love it.
[427] I love it.
[428] He's the best at that.
[429] Yeah, he's a king.
[430] He's amazing.
[431] He's the best at like breaking down.
[432] Yeah, look at you.
[433] You know, like, he's just breaking you down.
[434] And he's like, oh.
[435] No, no, he knows me. He's just roasting you with that voice.
[436] No, he knows me. He knows me. No, he's amazing.
[437] And he, yeah, I just think his ability to just always be himself on stage, which I think that's the comedy I love the most.
[438] He has a unique talent for it, a unique talent for anything he's talking about.
[439] It's just being himself.
[440] Yeah.
[441] No, that's incredible.
[442] Yeah.
[443] It's a fucking, it's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have, like, something in common.
[444] and I think one thing that everybody has in common is like what the best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about.
[445] Right, right.
[446] Really, really.
[447] And having to care about it.
[448] I feel like so many times they'll do a bit and it's not working and then I realize I don't give a shit.
[449] That's right.
[450] About the thing I'm saying, I need to, if it's important to me it'll be important to the audience.
[451] Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them.
[452] I know because you're like, I don't really care about this.
[453] Yeah, this is I'm not actually angry.
[454] Like people who are like, yeah, there's something there.
[455] I'm like, I know, but right now I don't.
[456] give a fuck about it, so I have to leave it alone for a little bit.
[457] If you don't give a fuck about it, they can tell.
[458] Yeah, there's some bits that killed when I first started doing them, and then they got a little flat, and I was like, what's going on here?
[459] Oh, I don't care anymore.
[460] You don't care, and you know they work.
[461] There's no mystery.
[462] It's also, I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit.
[463] Right.
[464] You know, there's sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight.
[465] It stays at an eight.
[466] Exactly.
[467] It never hits a 10.
[468] And you've got to, sometimes you get a trim.
[469] Sometimes you keep them in if they make a point, if they're like bizarrely ironic or there's something about it where you're like, it's worth it, even though it's not the funniest joke.
[470] Yeah, yeah.
[471] With the hills and valleys.
[472] With the hour, it works well.
[473] Yeah, yeah, with an hour.
[474] But sometimes you just got to set it aside.
[475] And then sometimes I'll come back to it.
[476] You know, I have like a whole folder that I call orphan babies.
[477] And it's all bits that never made it on anything.
[478] great to keep a record.
[479] Yeah.
[480] That's a great thing to.
[481] You have to.
[482] That's the hardest part forgetting everything.
[483] I forget them.
[484] Sometimes a friend brings him up.
[485] What about the hyena thing?
[486] I'm like, I fucking forgot that.
[487] I'm like that.
[488] How does it go?
[489] People bring that up like, oh yeah, why did I stop doing that joke and that'll start doing it again?
[490] I know.
[491] Yeah, it's weird.
[492] It's stuff like I did an hour, I released an hour like a couple months ago and so I'm trying to work out a new hour.
[493] It's tough when you have that because there's a lot of jokes you just probably don't care about that much, but you need it in there just for the, you know.
[494] Right, right.
[495] It's like scaffolding, you know.
[496] Exactly, right to keep the bits together so they're coherent sometimes.
[497] But in my head, I'm like, I don't care about it.
[498] I think everybody should have a folder that they just put on the...
[499] Everybody should write.
[500] I mean, I know everybody likes to write on stage, and I get it, and there's some of the greats that write on stage.
[501] But if you're listening, if you're not those people, everybody else, you should write.
[502] Yeah, because you can go back and not forget them.
[503] I have a whole...
[504] My bookshelf looks like seven, you know, where he has all the notebooks.
[505] Yeah.
[506] That's great.
[507] It's all just, you know...
[508] Crazy manifestos and jokes.
[509] I think that's, it's like one of the things that I found when I had to do this live special is that I had to really go over my shit, like with a fine -tooth comb.
[510] So I wound up writing out all my bits that I've done hundreds of times.
[511] Write them out exactly, word for word, just drill it into my head.
[512] And then I was preparing for this.
[513] I was like, I should probably be doing this all the time.
[514] I know, right?
[515] I should probably be doing not just when I would get ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way.
[516] I know.
[517] It's like whatever I've done late night, I start really analyzing the jokes and cutting them and be like, oh, I should, if I did this all the time, I'd be pretty good.
[518] I'm like, that word does not work there, but it's just because I'm doing it on late night.
[519] So I'm like, but then normally I'm like, whatever.
[520] I know.
[521] It's like, it's funny.
[522] We have our own schedule.
[523] We get to govern ourselves, which is not always the best thing.
[524] Yeah.
[525] Because if we were like a prodigy and, you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice.
[526] all day, bitch.
[527] I know, but you can only technically practice on stage.
[528] That's a weird thing.
[529] You can, but you can prepare offstage.
[530] Yeah, you got, yeah.
[531] I, uh, yeah, no, I mean, I think it's, I think it's really important to, like, write everything down and go back to it and just, you don't lose anything.
[532] You can forget things.
[533] Yeah, especially as you get older.
[534] I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head.
[535] And, you know, like, Duncan, I'm pretty sure he did this release this bit so I could say, wow, he might not a fuck.
[536] But he's got a great bit about Adderall.
[537] bit you can do it.
[538] No but I don't know I think it's like he recorded a special but I don't know if it's on it so I don't want to say it but he's got this great Adderall bit he totally forgot about it and I said remember that he goes how does it go I go you say it like he's oh my God that joke's amazing I go it's your joke you forgot it yeah it's important to be organized yeah it's just we govern ourselves and we're all slackers it's a weird job because it's just you uh huh and it's just how even like advice doesn't typically work because every comedian when they give advice, they're really just giving it that works for them.
[539] Right.
[540] And you don't know if it works for your voice or how you, it's also, you're just alone.
[541] Right.
[542] And you have to create your own system.
[543] Yeah.
[544] Advice as long as it's not rigid is really good.
[545] Because you really can't tell people how to do things.
[546] No. And if anything, I mean, there's some good advice.
[547] I mean, when I would start out, I got a couple, you know, look around the audience, keep the mic out of the Oh, yeah, standard stuff.
[548] But, like, once you get into real advice, I don't know.
[549] I think it just gets in your head for the most part, you know?
[550] Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's terrible.
[551] Yeah.
[552] I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out.
[553] What's a good advice?
[554] Good advice is write a lot.
[555] Sure, yeah.
[556] Listen to your recordings.
[557] That was one thing, this guy, Mike Donovan.
[558] I got real lucky that I started out in Boston in the 80s, and it was like, there was all these local headliners that were awesome.
[559] I mean, world class, but they were local and they stayed local.
[560] And one of them is this guy, Mike Donovan And Mike Donovan He always had a let go This is back in the day When you had cassette recorders They were big, like a fucking box of cigars And he would sit it on the thing And press record when he went on stage He goes, oh my God You never know He goes, you might have a new tagline In that moment That's crazy And then you forget about it If you don't listen And that was some of the best advice I'd ever heard He was like the first comic recording of sets He was just a smart dude And he just figured out That you got to do that Yeah, I think like That advice is great.
[561] Like, definitely writing a lot and definitely listen to your sense is so important because there's so many comics who go up all the time, but they're delusional and they don't get better because they're not like realizing that it's not working.
[562] Yeah, you've got to analyze yourself like a hater.
[563] Exactly.
[564] But stuff about how to say shit and all that, I just feel, or like your style.
[565] Some of that, I feel like you're kind of alone a little.
[566] A hundred percent.
[567] You know.
[568] Because like imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice to Mitch Headberg.
[569] Just fucking yell them.
[570] Yeah, get mad, get mad, get mad, think about it.
[571] What the fuck when you think of what you said?
[572] Get mad about the rice.
[573] Get mad, get mad that there's so many rice.
[574] I mean, at a certain point in time, that's one of the cool.
[575] I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now.
[576] We've talked about it and I think we're going to do it.
[577] And what I want to do is have, outside of podcast, to just have an interview with headliners when they come into town and tell me about what happened.
[578] Tell me about your journey.
[579] What was your first open mic?
[580] What was it like?
[581] How'd you feel?
[582] How'd you get started?
[583] Did someone influence you?
[584] Did someone ask you to do it?
[585] What were your first road gigs?
[586] Just not a podcast where it'd be me talking about my stories, but just like I was want to know 100 % an interview.
[587] Right, right.
[588] A conversation, but an interview.
[589] And just, you know, so that it's archive for comics.
[590] Because you remember like when you were starting, I mean 17 years ago, right?
[591] You could get a couple of books.
[592] There was a few books.
[593] Richard Belser had a book on stand -up, but it was kind of like tongue and cheek right right the comedy bible yeah yeah yeah there's but there was nothing written by anybody who was really good no so that was part of the problem not belzer was good but yeah but nothing written by like a george carlin or richard prior or you know a lenny bruce it's never advice from the great it's always some weird person some like kind of grifty yeah it's and someone who's like what you're not a comedian well we thought about doing that at the store back in the day we were talking about doing comedy classes where you know a comic like a headliner would come in and I know Ari did this quite a few times already did it in Phoenix when I was there he'd set up like a seminar for free for all the local comics told them how this is how you get a manager this how you get an agent right this how you get stage time this what you should do to organize your set and fucking amazing resource for free you did it for like two and a half hours so Ari was doing that for a while but it's there's nothing like that for comics coming up everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs yeah yeah yeah no that's a good that's a good i would love to hear that stuff because if you could go start out now and you can go on youtube first of all you have access to everything red fox rodney jangerfield fucking everything that's ever been is online lenny bruce you watch lenny bruce recordings right now yeah it was impossible to find that shit when we started impossible and it's still impossible understand but yeah a lot of it I listened to him, I was like, I don't, it was a different time where saying Yiddish was really, like, hip.
[594] Right.
[595] Lenny?
[596] Yeah, you know, the Michigna guys on the street.
[597] Well, the thing about Lenny was that no one had ever talked like that publicly.
[598] So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963.
[599] Some of the most groundbreaking stuff feels the most dated later.
[600] Yes.
[601] Because it is so groundbreaking that everyone, the model changed.
[602] The whole world changed the way they think about things.
[603] and then talking about things openly, the way he did, became normal.
[604] Right, right.
[605] So he's doing normal things to us.
[606] But it seems, yeah.
[607] No, it's like the musical Oklahoma seems like such a standard thing.
[608] Right.
[609] But at the time, it was super experimental.
[610] It was the first one where they had like not a chorus on stage right away or someone singing and a narrative.
[611] Like a narrative.
[612] Like musicals before that were reviews.
[613] And you're like, I switched to musicals.
[614] You're like, go back to comedy.
[615] No, musicals are cool.
[616] I love musicals.
[617] But it was like, it was grass.
[618] groundbreaking at the time.
[619] A narrative story.
[620] Most of shit before that was like reviews and they broke a lot of rules.
[621] But now it's just Oklahoma, you know?
[622] But it was like an experimental thing at the time.
[623] Like The Wizard of Oz.
[624] Yeah.
[625] The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out.
[626] Like it was something that everybody saw.
[627] It was one movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen the Wizard of Oz.
[628] Yeah.
[629] No, it was, it is the most watched movie.
[630] I read a book about the making recently.
[631] It was interesting.
[632] Did you know that?
[633] So Judy Garland was, like, groped by a lot of the little people on the movie.
[634] It's like a whole thing she got groped.
[635] And I read it, apparently they were mad.
[636] All the little people were, like, very drunk and wild, you know.
[637] And they were mad because apparently they were getting paid less than Toto, the dog.
[638] Whoa.
[639] So the hierarchy on Wizard of Oz was like the dog, little people, and then women at the bottom, you know.
[640] And they were like groping her and she couldn't say anything about it.
[641] Wow.
[642] It's an insane.
[643] I wish they could make a movie.
[644] That's also, like, what year was that?
[645] 1939?
[646] Bro, people were savages back then.
[647] Savage.
[648] Oh, he slapped, the director, Victor Fleming, slapped Judy Garland in the face during a scene.
[649] Just slapped her because she couldn't keep a straight face.
[650] Oh, my God.
[651] Oh, no, it was, and that movie, I wish she could make a movie about the making of Wiz, and that would show, like, the beauty of the movie, but also how horrible behind the scenes were.
[652] Because you had the witch caught on fire and literally, like, lost feeling in her hand at one point.
[653] And then they forced her to go back to Margaret, what's her name is.
[654] They first should go back to work the next day, even if she was in the hospital.
[655] The original guy playing the Tin Man got really sick because of the paint they were using.
[656] He ended up in the hospital, and they just replaced him immediately.
[657] Yeah, and he got, like, really sick.
[658] Yeah, no, it's like a, it was a...
[659] Oh, that makes sense.
[660] Like, what the fuck is that stuff they put on his skin?
[661] There's no regulation.
[662] They're just like, let's try this.
[663] Also, they had just got done with, like, think about.
[664] That was like thalidomide babies back then, right?
[665] Or that was actually later.
[666] Thalidomide babies, wasn't that, like, in the 60s?
[667] But they had the girls that developed cancer because they were using the loom for the watches.
[668] Right, right, right.
[669] So that radio, what was that called?
[670] That's the radium girls?
[671] Radium girls, yeah.
[672] There was horrific holes in their face and shit.
[673] Their tongues would rot out of their mouths.
[674] It was zero.
[675] Nobody told them anything because it would lick this.
[676] tip of their brush when they were, because they were doing these very delicate loom dials on watches.
[677] No, that no one gave a shit.
[678] And in the Hollywood, there was no, like, the stars didn't have, like, some, the stars were beginning to have power, but Judy Garland, she was just treated like, like, she was owned by them, you know what I mean?
[679] Like, to slap?
[680] Jesus, gross.
[681] Imagine the director, like, try to slap, like, Emma Stone now.
[682] It's just crazy to think that that wasn't that long ago.
[683] I know, and it's, well, the Holocaust also happened.
[684] But isn't it kind of, like, watch.
[685] tape and listening to tape as a comic because you don't know how bad you suck until you see it and people didn't know how bad like that kind of behavior was until you see it like go to watch the old James Cagney movies he'd smack his girlfriend right in the face and he was the hero and then they'd kiss each other it's all yeah every nuts it's yeah I love watching old stuff to see like the problematic parts I just find them like really funny you ever see the one where it's like an old Western and the guy is spanking his wife and the kid comes along and says, do you, like, I know why you're spanking mommy.
[686] It's because you love her.
[687] And he's like, that's right, son.
[688] It's so nuts.
[689] Like, the woman is over the guy's knees and he's spanking her.
[690] It's out of love, you know?
[691] That's insane.
[692] This is like something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie.
[693] I mean, that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality.
[694] Well, every 80s movie, like, people are like, you got to watch it.
[695] There it is.
[696] Look at this.
[697] Oh, my God.
[698] It's John Wayne.
[699] Oh, my God.
[700] Thanks.
[701] Thanks.
[702] Look, he's beating her.
[703] That's awful.
[704] This is not the one where the guy, the wife, I mean, he's beating her with a piece of metal.
[705] And what a great show.
[706] Oh, my God.
[707] What a great movie.
[708] I love for the whole family.
[709] The weapon to use.
[710] And he's like, thank you.
[711] Yeah, normal.
[712] Yeah, normal.
[713] Beat her with a weapon.
[714] Don't use your hand.
[715] What if your hand gets hurt?
[716] Well, every 80s movie, they're like, you got to watch this 80s movie.
[717] It's a classic that you turn it on.
[718] It's like 12 nerds gang raping a woman.
[719] It's like every 80s comedy is like a prank.
[720] Is this the one?
[721] What is this one?
[722] And he spanks her too?
[723] Yeah.
[724] So he's carrying her away.
[725] Look, he's spanking her.
[726] In front of everybody.
[727] Look at them watching.
[728] This is so crazy.
[729] That's insane.
[730] Not just spanking, but spanking in public.
[731] Not just like he's holding her up in the air while he spanking.
[732] And they're laughing.
[733] Like, they think it's wonderful.
[734] Look.
[735] He's going to fuck her lady.
[736] He just drops her.
[737] They're just laughing.
[738] I've never been so proud of you and all the night.
[739] What the fuck?
[740] I've never been so proud.
[741] Come around and see me in the morning, son.
[742] You start to work at 10.
[743] They bolt up black eyes.
[744] And he's got his arm around her.
[745] Oh, sweetie.
[746] I got the job.
[747] What the fuck is that movie about?
[748] We just look evil when we look back in the past.
[749] Everyone was just like slap, spanker, spanker.
[750] And by the way, they thought they were.
[751] so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people.
[752] Of course, yeah.
[753] Well, we, you know, we change.
[754] We move at our own pace.
[755] Right.
[756] And so we had to, like, look at the cave pain.
[757] He's go, that is kind of fucked up that you stabbed that guy with a spear.
[758] I remember that.
[759] And then it goes from that to movies and plays, right?
[760] Yeah.
[761] Well, we're getting better.
[762] We're getting better.
[763] My cousin had a bat mitzvah and is reformed.
[764] You know, that's where you do the whole service in English.
[765] And you have to read part of the Bible, which in reform, and conservative you do in Hebrew, but in reform you do in english what is it why reform they're just more liberal more accessible it's usually like a lesbian rabbi and she's like eating on her girlfriend on stage and stuff and there's like a the canter's tuning a guitar and uh she had to read a part of the bible but reformed do it in english so the 13 -year -old girl had to go on stage in front of everyone and read the selected part and like not every part of the bible holds up so she it was like 300 people her parents behind her and she's just on stage she has to open to the part and she's just like when a slave offends you you cut off his right arm and then his parents her parents are behind her like that's my girl and then she's like when you offend them again you execute them these are the laws of how to punish your slaves and we're all just like in the back is that real quote yeah or something like that yeah something close to that yes christ and that's why you do it in hebrews you don't have to know so you can pretend it's okay that's why we do it in hebrew you don't know what they're talking about Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right?
[766] Like, nobody could speak Latin.
[767] So they could tell them whatever.
[768] It said, give me $100 if you want to be in the afterlife.
[769] I think there was a lot of that going on.
[770] That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther.
[771] Right, right.
[772] Yeah, that was a big con. Huge con. Yeah.
[773] Nobody speaks it.
[774] Yeah, only we know what it's saying.
[775] If the priest is like, kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now.
[776] Isn't it nuts?
[777] Isn't it nuts that that is kind of a dead language?
[778] Like, you could still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin.
[779] No, unless you're getting possessed by the devil Yeah Don't forget that demographic Oh yeah, those folks Well, they usually talk in tongues They're not even doing Latin They're going They don't throw it a little They don't throw in Latin Do they occasionally?
[780] I feel like the exorcists I feel like she throws in a little Latin She said your mother sucks cocks in hell Which by the way Super English I don't understand why anyone's scared of that movie That movie's hilarious That's because you're younger than me I know when I was a boy That movie was fucking terrifying I saw that movie, I was real young.
[781] Like, I probably shouldn't have been able to see it.
[782] Like, what year did that movie come out?
[783] 75?
[784] 73.
[785] Tried to be rain, man. So, I was six.
[786] Yeah, well, he should have been seeing the movie anyway.
[787] I saw that movie when I was six.
[788] Yeah, my parents let me see all the scary movies.
[789] Can I ask you this?
[790] Did you at the time, I was talking to them about it backstage?
[791] Did you believe in the devil, kind of?
[792] Oh, yeah, sure.
[793] Because I'm a Jew.
[794] I'm like a heathen Jew, right?
[795] We don't believe in the devil.
[796] So for me it just felt like funny It's a good fucking movie man But it's just like she's like Saying like your mom sucks Cocks in hell, that's like to a priest That's definitively funny Well how about when she fucks herself with the crossed I just don't I don't know It's just like to me she said some wild shit while she was doing it too Like fuck my cuck something like that But that's like I guess back then The idea of a kid cursing was like Oh it's crazy But now it's South Park You want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie.
[797] She got really fucked up from doing these.
[798] Imagine, okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil.
[799] Everybody knows you.
[800] You're famous now and you're famous for being the fucking devil.
[801] That's insane.
[802] So everywhere you go, people are scared of you.
[803] You just see people see you on the street.
[804] You fucked yourself with a crucifix in a movie.
[805] You're like 13 people are walking by.
[806] Suck Cox in hell!
[807] Jesus Christ, she probably never heard the end of it and that was another movie that everybody saw.
[808] Yeah, that was yeah.
[809] I just, I love him.
[810] horror movies, but I find that one, it's like, I just don't find it.
[811] I don't know.
[812] I feel like a girl.
[813] I mean, at the time, I get it was scary.
[814] Definitely if you're six.
[815] But I just find it silly.
[816] It's just like you're telling the priest to go fuck himself.
[817] This is funny.
[818] I get it, but I think it's because we are living in 2024.
[819] We're heathens now.
[820] And all those movies have gone on and we've learned from those movies.
[821] Which is interesting to think that like back then a kid cursing, we were so much more puritanical.
[822] That was like disturbing.
[823] Disturbing.
[824] And now it's South Park.
[825] It's totally normal.
[826] Now they're sticking things up their butts.
[827] Yeah.
[828] In cartoons.
[829] Yeah, it's totally normal now.
[830] And that's again, it's like going back to listen to Lenny Bruce stuff and then trying to listen to it.
[831] He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole because they didn't realize that they were stealing it.
[832] Because it was so brilliant.
[833] But it was when homosexuality was illegal back then.
[834] And he goes, being gay is illegal, dig.
[835] What do they do?
[836] and they catch you, they put you in jail with a bunch of guys who want to have sex with you.
[837] This is a great joke.
[838] He has great jokes.
[839] It's just, you don't, we, if you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people, they would think you were a fucking alien.
[840] Like, who is this guy?
[841] How is he talking so freely about things?
[842] Right, right.
[843] And he did have great joke.
[844] You just got to get past the, you dig and the, Mishuganas.
[845] But, like, he had great joke.
[846] That book of his is awesome, the one of his transcripts.
[847] You look at that.
[848] No. It's like just that writing.
[849] Of the trials?
[850] No, just of the stand -up.
[851] Oh, the stand -up.
[852] It's awesome.
[853] You see it all in like, uh, he had one bit that was like, uh, I love Bill Hicks.
[854] He's one of my favorites, but it was similar to Bill Hicks' joke.
[855] Not to say Bill Hicks stole from it, but they're just great minds think alike about, like, if Jesus came back to you, what do you want to see a cross?
[856] Something similar to that.
[857] A bunch of guys had that, though.
[858] But he might have been the first.
[859] Yeah, he probably was the first.
[860] I mean, Kinnison had something kind of similar to that, too.
[861] I listened to Bill Hicks recently.
[862] He got me into comedy.
[863] I always loved him.
[864] I listened to him on a road trip recently, and he holds up so well.
[865] And I think, like, the people call him preachy.
[866] I think they're so wrong.
[867] I don't, I actually think all his jokes are just good jokes that aren't really preachy for the most part.
[868] See, I don't think it was preachy.
[869] Like, I don't think Anthony Jesselneck is really offensive.
[870] No, because, you know what I'm saying?
[871] Like, it's a style of comedy.
[872] His style of comedy was condescending.
[873] I'm smarter than you.
[874] and here's some amazing points about life.
[875] And so I liked it.
[876] I liked that.
[877] Hicks, you mean?
[878] Yeah, Hicks.
[879] Like when Hicks had talked about things, you'd talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid.
[880] Like, this is why.
[881] Right.
[882] And I'm telling you how it should be.
[883] And that's what people didn't like about it.
[884] But that was also a great way to get some of those points across.
[885] Like, there were some points that that's really kind of the only way, if you want to deliver it the way he does it.
[886] It's really kind of the only way you can do it.
[887] Well, it's also funny to see a crazy person on.
[888] It's just someone who's like, you know, that's hilarious.
[889] Like, he is a funny character, and I do think he has great misdirects, like, just great jokes that go beyond, like, what ideology he's, like, you know, professing, you know?
[890] You mean Hicks?
[891] Hicks, yeah.
[892] Well, he had brilliant shit about the war, you know, like, they have sophisticated weapons.
[893] How do you know?
[894] We check the receipts.
[895] Well, the whole, like, the book depository is very realistic.
[896] Yeah.
[897] Hadswalt isn't in it.
[898] Yeah.
[899] He just had great, like, yeah, I just thought he had just kind of like Woody Allen.
[900] I know he loved Woody Allen, like great, like Mr. X. And when you listen to it now, a lot of it is kind of what a lot of good comedy is, where you take a hot button issue, but then you just have a joke that's just kind of about something else.
[901] Right, right, right.
[902] And that's really a lot of what his stuff is.
[903] It just feels kind of like modern comedy.
[904] Yeah.
[905] Well, he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kind of interesting for the first time.
[906] He had interesting subjects.
[907] Him and Doug stand -up definitely were my big influences.
[908] I loved you, too.
[909] I loved your old, I loved your, I remember back when I listened to comedy albums.
[910] That was a different era, I guess, you know.
[911] Oh, wow, yeah.
[912] But I remember it.
[913] I loved your bit about the tiger in the zoo, the monster in a box.
[914] Yeah.
[915] I still think about that every time in a zoo because they always make the cage look like they could possibly jump out.
[916] Yeah.
[917] You know, do you remember that bit?
[918] Yeah, I do kind of remember it.
[919] But I remember the story.
[920] These kids threw pine cones at a tiger, and the, they talk.
[921] Tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12 -foot cage.
[922] They didn't even put a roof on it.
[923] This cage is secure unless a tiger gets really mad.
[924] But when's that going to happen?
[925] Just I would have given everything to see the look on their face and that thing touched the top of the bars.
[926] Yeah, they were like.
[927] When the paws hit the bars and the body starts going over, the flood of chemicals that must go into your mind.
[928] That's a high.
[929] Off the charts.
[930] That's a high.
[931] Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life.
[932] That's like a cold plunge times 10 ,000.
[933] Well, it's like undeniable.
[934] You're dying right now.
[935] Like it's coming for you.
[936] It's a 600 pound super predator.
[937] Well, one kid survived, right?
[938] One kid survived.
[939] I think the kid who threw the pine cones, unfortunately survived.
[940] I think his buddy got taken out.
[941] Oh, that's how fierce tigers are.
[942] I'm not going to fuck you up.
[943] I'm going to fuck your friend up.
[944] I think his buddy went to help him.
[945] Oh, my God.
[946] I don't know the whole story.
[947] I mean, who knows?
[948] It was probably just chaos.
[949] But I think about that bit every time at a zoo, They always make it look like the tire you can jump out.
[950] I'm like, why don't you just not make it look like that?
[951] Put a roof on the box.
[952] Monster on the box.
[953] The monster on the box.
[954] Why don't you have a roof on the box?
[955] If you have a monster in the city, in a box, put a fucking roof on the box.
[956] We don't need to make it look like it can jump out.
[957] We don't need.
[958] Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on?
[959] Is it that expensive?
[960] I think they want to make it feel like it's free.
[961] Fuck that.
[962] It's not free.
[963] No, yeah.
[964] They shouldn't be there.
[965] I don't agree with zoos at all.
[966] like zoos?
[967] No, I used to, I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two -year -old staring at a hippo, whoa, of course, yeah.
[968] But the reality is they're prisons.
[969] They're prisons for animals that didn't do anything wrong.
[970] But it's a little different in the sense that their life outside of prison is pretty messed up.
[971] But it's natural.
[972] It is natural.
[973] They're not all getting killed.
[974] You know, they're doing some killing too, which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that live to kill.
[975] I guess the zoo is better for the prey.
[976] I should have a joke about that, too.
[977] The only animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes.
[978] They're having a great time.
[979] They don't seem to have any problem with it at all.
[980] Like, another day with no lions.
[981] Well, it's like, yeah, if that's jail, like freedom of them just getting chased by, like, if you were in prison and outside of prison, you could just get eaten at any time, prison wouldn't look so bad.
[982] Well, as long as they have a big enough enclosure and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it.
[983] Yeah, it sucks for the predators because they can't, like, hunt.
[984] Exactly.
[985] And then they always put the tiger, like, next to the giraffe or the line just to fuck with them.
[986] Which is so crazy.
[987] It's a little cruel.
[988] You imagine being a tiger, and you're like, I can't believe that, every day.
[989] And then you forget because you have bad memory.
[990] Oh, he's right there.
[991] Fuck, what the fuck.
[992] Cock suckers.
[993] Yeah, they, uh, they're kind of cruel with that.
[994] Put them in different places.
[995] Well, you shouldn't put him there at all.
[996] Yeah, it's great.
[997] The whole thing's crazy.
[998] Yeah.
[999] And I get it does protect some endangered species.
[1000] but, boy, I think if we really care about animals, we should put a lot more money into it and there should be a lot larger spaces and it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo.
[1001] And it's always weird who gets to big space.
[1002] At the Louisville Zoo, there's a wolf who just got like fucking like 12 acres and then a snow leopard's like in like a little diorama with a cage on it.
[1003] It's sick.
[1004] The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it.
[1005] If you really want to go see an animal, you should go on a fucking safari and drive through these areas where they're killing gazelles and they're doing normal lion shit.
[1006] This is a normal lion in a lion environment and you drive through it and it's probably dangerous and shit and keep your fucking windows roll.
[1007] You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the video, I think one of the video editors, one of the editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks.
[1008] In the safari?
[1009] She rolled her window down and she was leaning out to take a photo or something.
[1010] The cat reached and grabbed her.
[1011] Oh my God.
[1012] I saw one of those videos where the people in the car and like that one of them I think it's a tiger not a tiger's Africa but it was a lion coming up to the car and they're looking at it and the line just opened the door like it just put his paw on the door to open it they're like ah lock the fucking door man imagine a little skinny ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy and there's a lion right outside of it he could put his head through it easily he doesn't know but if he just fucking smashes his head it'll go right through that thing He's a lion.
[1013] If he's just, like, crazy that day.
[1014] If he just decides to pop it with his paw, it's just going to burst.
[1015] Well, that's what's crazy about the tiger who killed the kid.
[1016] It's like, they were like, he can't get out unless he's really wants to.
[1017] It's like, don't protect it from him really wanting to as well.
[1018] Well, they didn't have the proper height fence.
[1019] Yeah, yeah.
[1020] Not only did they not have a roof on it.
[1021] The fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over.
[1022] It was only even a three -foot wall.
[1023] What?
[1024] Leaping over a three -foot wall.
[1025] and out of its enclosure, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They might have misunderstood when they wrote this article, but that's what this says.
[1026] I don't think that's correct.
[1027] I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long.
[1028] Oh, the wall was 1 .2 meters, four feet shorter than the recommended minimum.
[1029] But it was more than three feet.
[1030] I think it was 12 feet.
[1031] That's hilarious was actually three feet.
[1032] And they're like, whoa, what's the problem?
[1033] That's crazy that it's four foot shy.
[1034] I'm reading multiple articles.
[1035] This one is even, this was also.
[1036] weird.
[1037] I thought it happened in 2011.
[1038] This says it was 2008, so I'm kind of confused on that, too.
[1039] Maybe it's more than one of those.
[1040] But this was the same person that died in both articles.
[1041] Oh, how weird.
[1042] They're trying to say they were on drugs.
[1043] It's like...
[1044] Yeah, this is the guys were...
[1045] It doesn't mean they deserve to die.
[1046] One meet...
[1047] Three foot wall.
[1048] That's so crazy.
[1049] I could jump a three foot wall.
[1050] Yeah.
[1051] Oh, yeah.
[1052] That's not real.
[1053] I could try.
[1054] There's no way.
[1055] I could get you on the third try.
[1056] Yeah, you could probably at least get over the top of it.
[1057] There's no way it was...
[1058] That's no But there's no, what, that's this tall?
[1059] That's crazy.
[1060] That would be hilarious.
[1061] They just made it three feet.
[1062] They're like, he doesn't, you know.
[1063] From the San Francisco newspaper.
[1064] What does that one say?
[1065] A picture of what it was.
[1066] The wall.
[1067] Bro, that's pretty high.
[1068] It says, oh, the new glass wall makes it 19 feet.
[1069] But it looks like.
[1070] The current wall used to be 12 feet.
[1071] So that's where it was, and the tiger jumped over that.
[1072] And now they gave him an extra of five feet.
[1073] Fuck that place.
[1074] But look how the tiger's couldn't have made that jump on the distance.
[1075] They said it was too far.
[1076] It looks like it's built to have that tiger jump off that top part onto the thing.
[1077] It's like it's built so he can jump out.
[1078] Did they say the tiger jump from the bottom or the tiger jumped from that top part?
[1079] The articles I was reading when it first happened, they weren't sure what the fuck happened.
[1080] They were like, it doesn't make sense that it happened.
[1081] Someone must have helped it.
[1082] What?
[1083] That's them covering their ass.
[1084] It is a little bit of that because.
[1085] That's them covering their ass.
[1086] They know exactly what happened.
[1087] There was eyewitnesses.
[1088] People saw it happen.
[1089] Also, who could have helped it?
[1090] Yeah.
[1091] So that's what it looked like?
[1092] I guess that's the first picture I've seen of that.
[1093] Oh, my God, imagine that thing coming over the top of that.
[1094] So that's the three -foot fence, I think, that they were saying.
[1095] Exactly.
[1096] But wait, so if they're throwing pine -cone thing?
[1097] Is this the pine -cone thing?
[1098] So it had to be below if they're throwing pine -cone.
[1099] No, it could be over there.
[1100] They could throw it over the ridge.
[1101] You think it got all the way to the...
[1102] Yeah, yeah, you could throw that, that's not that far.
[1103] No?
[1104] No. No, no. That looks like 15 yards, max.
[1105] Let me see that again.
[1106] Let me see that photo again.
[1107] Yeah, that doesn't look that far, dude.
[1108] It's a big jump, though.
[1109] I guess you can...
[1110] It's probably a big jump for a cat.
[1111] I don't know if he made the jump.
[1112] I think he made the jump from the bottom.
[1113] Yeah, the one that was confusing said that it was basically in these bushes when they were standing on this rail, throwing shit at it, and then they got too close and found out, like, there was one way closer than they thought.
[1114] That's not what I heard.
[1115] I know, I know it doesn't make sense.
[1116] I don't know.
[1117] What I had heard was the thing was over there.
[1118] They were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them.
[1119] and jumped over the wall, which only makes sense.
[1120] Oh, eyewitness accounts, statements from the time.
[1121] Here's already my confusion, though.
[1122] This is from 2011, and those last two articles were 2008.
[1123] Hmm.
[1124] Well, maybe they didn't release the whole story until 2011.
[1125] Yeah, there it is.
[1126] Okay.
[1127] So it's a lawsuit.
[1128] Yeah, they should fucking sue for sure.
[1129] I mean, definitely you shouldn't throw pine cones at tigers.
[1130] But you don't deserve to die.
[1131] You're a fucking kid.
[1132] You're a dumb -ass kid.
[1133] That could have been us.
[1134] if we were both 17 and I'd go I do I dare you to throw a pine cone Come on pussy It's just a pine cone From the bottom of the moat To the dry moat to the top of the wall Wow No that's crazy From the bottom of the dry moat So they got into the bottom of the, yeah like I thought It was at the bottom of the thing I can't imagine jumping out unless it was provoked Yeah but it shouldn't be able to jump out If it's provoked Yeah that's so crazy You should have a backup plan for the tiger's emotions Yeah also why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like that.
[1135] The tiger can't get out as long as it's, the tiger's chill.
[1136] Wow, followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards where it resumed attacks.
[1137] Oh, my God.
[1138] Photosho blood smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently drag Sousa's body.
[1139] It found the blood trail.
[1140] The tiger would leave a kill to go after something else unless it were a compelling reason.
[1141] Oh, my God, another victim blaming.
[1142] The tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail.
[1143] of the two brothers to the Terrace Cafe outside the dining area.
[1144] This is a real, what are they wearing?
[1145] What were they wearing?
[1146] Yes.
[1147] You know what I mean?
[1148] That's exactly what it is.
[1149] They were high or like what a black person get to kill and they try to vilify the black guy.
[1150] They're like, he was on drugs.
[1151] It's kind of like that.
[1152] They're like, he was high.
[1153] He was, they should have provoked it.
[1154] But it's like you should have a cage where a tiger can't get out on any mood the tiger's in.
[1155] Whether he's happy or mad, they should test every mood.
[1156] Yeah.
[1157] And see if he could jump out.
[1158] the moods?
[1159] Also, what if it killed some old lady?
[1160] It was just there with her niece.
[1161] Yeah.
[1162] You know, showing her around.
[1163] And what if, you know, who the fuck knows what could have happened?
[1164] You're, you're just guessing.
[1165] And it didn't even kill the friend.
[1166] It didn't even kill the guy.
[1167] It killed the other guy.
[1168] I don't know who it killed.
[1169] Now I'm saying that, I'm trying to remember.
[1170] But I bet it killed.
[1171] Yeah, it killed the younger of the three.
[1172] They're the two were brothers that were not killed.
[1173] Who was the one that threw the pincolns?
[1174] Were they all thrown them?
[1175] I thought I haven't found out.
[1176] It sucks that they know that that tiger was like, maybe they were all thrown pincones.
[1177] Maybe I heard the story wrong.
[1178] Or the tiger was just clearly more annoyed by one of them like one of them had a more annoying face it's whoever the fuck is closest yeah yeah who's closest who's the who's gonna get taken out first this thing is never had a chance to take out anything yeah it's a little I mean the whole reason they exist is they are the clean up crew for nature anything that has a limp and anything that does something stupid you go walking through the thick grass that's a wrap that's what they're there for they're right they're there for overpopulation yeah yeah because they exist around deer Yeah, of course.
[1179] They exist around a very specific kind of deer.
[1180] It's called Axis deer.
[1181] And these deer move like lightning, dude.
[1182] You ever see the Axis deer?
[1183] No, I don't think so.
[1184] They fucking chung!
[1185] They take off.
[1186] Like, it's crazy because they evolved around tigers.
[1187] Right.
[1188] So they just explode away so fast.
[1189] A lot of times you see those water buffalo moving, they seem to completely forget about tigers or lions until they jump out.
[1190] And then they're like, oh, shit.
[1191] And then they all run away.
[1192] Not that many lions eat water buffaloes.
[1193] No. They're so big.
[1194] They're too dangerous.
[1195] You could get a broken jaw, broken leg.
[1196] They stomp your head, you're dead.
[1197] But yeah, I agree that predators, it sucks for them in a zoo.
[1198] But you never want to have a zoo is just prey.
[1199] That would kind of suck.
[1200] Reported that her claws were not frayed, suggesting that she made the 12 -foot -9 -inch leap on her first attempt.
[1201] Oh, my God.
[1202] Dr. Dunker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the cat.
[1203] Jesus Christ.
[1204] Do you know, there's one specific tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo.
[1205] Yeah.
[1206] Because they got stranded on an island.
[1207] Oh, wow.
[1208] The currents change to this river, and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo.
[1209] Oh, wow.
[1210] And so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions.
[1211] They look like Hulk lions.
[1212] It's crazy.
[1213] It's called relentless enemies.
[1214] Because they're the hunters of the females.
[1215] Yes, the females of the hunters.
[1216] So they got as big as male lions.
[1217] Wow.
[1218] But female hunters are, they're jacked too.
[1219] Like, they look freakish because they have to take out water buffalo all the time.
[1220] Have you seen the video, the best nature video?
[1221] I mean, it's the one about the water buffalo is walking and the lion comes.
[1222] And they, like, it's like four lines.
[1223] And they never go after the big one.
[1224] It's always like four of them after like a baby water bell or like a wheelchair.
[1225] It's like, yeah.
[1226] And they push him into the water and then a crocodile comes out of the water and grabs the water buffalo, the baby.
[1227] And then the lines are like having a tug -a -war with, like, the crocodile.
[1228] It's like insane.
[1229] Have you seen that?
[1230] Yeah, I have seen that.
[1231] But...
[1232] That's the Crocodiles of the ultimate cleanup crew.
[1233] Yeah.
[1234] You see if you can find that relentless enemies thing because you've got to see what these female lions looked like.
[1235] I can show it to us.
[1236] We always get in trouble.
[1237] Right, just show it to us because these female lions, they don't even look real.
[1238] They look like CGI lions.
[1239] They're super jacked.
[1240] So the female lions are normally smaller, but they are the hunter.
[1241] They're the hunters.
[1242] But this documentary relentless...
[1243] See me you find one of the images of the jacked.
[1244] Look at what she's built like.
[1245] She's built like a male.
[1246] That's insane.
[1247] She's fucking huge.
[1248] Those arms are huge, yeah.
[1249] Huge.
[1250] Because they have to take out water buffalo.
[1251] She's like a female bodybuilder.
[1252] It's a great documentary though.
[1253] It's because it's just about nature adapting.
[1254] Right.
[1255] Look at the size of her.
[1256] Oh, my God.
[1257] They're so much bigger.
[1258] And, you know, they have to be because these fucking things are ruthless.
[1259] I mean, water buffalo are huge.
[1260] And they're tough as shit.
[1261] You can hang off them with their claws and they don't even notice it.
[1262] Yeah.
[1263] They always have like bugs on them And they don't notice Like Fucking shit life Have you done this Have you done a safari?
[1264] No My buddy McCabe Dan McKay My friend He did it And he sent me a footage Of a line Like killing a prey Right in front of them Yeah he just filmed it Yeah And they're in those open jeeps Yeah What's that about Yeah What is that about They just haven't figured out Yet that they can get you People love It's like the zoo They love to have it all open They love to just, like, you know, push it as far as they can.
[1265] Bro, I want to be in an Iron Man suit with a chain mail gun.
[1266] Yeah.
[1267] One of those chain gun?
[1268] I do not want to be...
[1269] I like I said an Iron Man suit like it's a real thing.
[1270] If I had one.
[1271] Wait.
[1272] It's like...
[1273] Those Iron Man suits?
[1274] What happened?
[1275] Power went out?
[1276] Still recording over there.
[1277] Is the video recording?
[1278] The video is the only thing recording?
[1279] The video is the only thing recording?
[1280] Yeah.
[1281] Can we keep going or should we stop?
[1282] You can in theory keep...
[1283] Oh, there it goes again.
[1284] It's the hot.
[1285] day of the year.
[1286] We're going to have that problem with the AC being overpowered.
[1287] But yeah, I mean, I'll turn everything back on.
[1288] Is today the hottest day of the year?
[1289] So far, yeah, it's going to be 107.
[1290] Oh, God.
[1291] We're still recording.
[1292] Really?
[1293] Yeah.
[1294] The cameras shut off and on too, though.
[1295] I don't know what to tell you.
[1296] The screen's still on.
[1297] Cameras are still on moving.
[1298] Time's still going.
[1299] How hot is it today?
[1300] 106, 107.
[1301] God, it didn't feel like it.
[1302] You ever be at a club where the lights?
[1303] I don't know what to do.
[1304] We might want to stop for, like, five minutes to make sure this doesn't keep happening while we have the opportunity before it fucks up more.
[1305] I don't know, your call.
[1306] But it's recording, right?
[1307] Yeah, but if it's flickered four or five times.
[1308] Right.
[1309] What could possibly happen?
[1310] It stops recording.
[1311] Flickered again.
[1312] Like, while we have a chance for it to stop, I might want to take a break.
[1313] That's all I'm saying.
[1314] Okay, we'll take a little P break.
[1315] We'll come back, ladies and gentlemen and non -binary folk.
[1316] Now we're up?
[1317] Oh, we're just about to complain about the government.
[1318] Or whoever it is.
[1319] Cracking down on our controversial takes on lines and watch the police.
[1320] It's YouTube, man. They're trying to ban free speech, man. It's going to take two hours to get everybody else's power up out.
[1321] We got lucky, I guess.
[1322] Oh, okay.
[1323] I feel privileged.
[1324] Is it a brownout?
[1325] Is this one of them brownouts?
[1326] I got a notice for my house.
[1327] Austin Energy outage may affect until 4 .38 p .m. Texas has its own grid, which is great until it's not.
[1328] I've read the article.
[1329] Yeah, it got real close.
[1330] Apparently during the cold front.
[1331] It got real close.
[1332] They were like 30 minutes away from losing the whole grid.
[1333] No, my friend was, my best friend from here, Zach, and he was here during the when they had to, like, what, melt the snow or whatever the, whatever it just became like some crazy survival thing.
[1334] That was the first year we lived here.
[1335] No one knows how to drive in the snow.
[1336] It was hilarious.
[1337] Yeah.
[1338] No, I remember that.
[1339] People with corvettes, like spinning around intersections.
[1340] No, he was melting snow.
[1341] Why was he melting snow?
[1342] Like, they had to melt snow for something.
[1343] For what?
[1344] I don't know.
[1345] It was like the, the, it was like that movie Alive.
[1346] They needed water.
[1347] They melted snow for water?
[1348] It was for water, yeah.
[1349] Could be.
[1350] I think the, yeah.
[1351] Pipes froze.
[1352] Yeah.
[1353] Yeah, that makes sense.
[1354] It was crazy, yeah.
[1355] Yeah, you got to have some water, folks.
[1356] Yeah.
[1357] Keep some water in your house.
[1358] It's a good move.
[1359] Yeah, if you're in a place that happens like that, and they, so like, if this happens in Boston, they know how to deal with snowy roads, then they'd fix things.
[1360] Yeah.
[1361] It's easy.
[1362] They'd, they plow.
[1363] You know, everything gets back online.
[1364] In the South, anytime they're snowed, it all shuts down for like two weeks.
[1365] Like, hey, guys, I've been here twice and it snowed.
[1366] How about buy a fucking plow?
[1367] You know, have one.
[1368] Yeah, yeah, I guess it just haven't happened enough for them to, you know, yeah.
[1369] That's so stupid.
[1370] Yeah, no, I know.
[1371] Louisville, I'm from Louisville, Kentucky.
[1372] It's kind of like that, too, whenever it snowed and shut down the whole city.
[1373] It's funny if you grew up in a place.
[1374] I grew up in Boston, which is like snow is just normal.
[1375] It's just normal.
[1376] It's part of all up, snowing out.
[1377] Did you even have, like, did school ever close?
[1378] It had to fucking snow For school to close Closing school was such a fun Oh yeah It happened every time We did have them We did have snow days Because it did fucking snow Right right right But in places like there If it's just snowing a little They let you go to school Go to school bitch Was anything better than a snow day It was so exciting It was amazing You got a day off I think I learned more in snow days Than I did in any other day Of course And then you'd be at You'd be like watching the TV Waiting for your county to be listed As like the one that could be And you're like fuck Please, I can stay home, watch cartoons, please.
[1379] It was no greater joy than a snow day.
[1380] Oh, it was wonderful.
[1381] And now the snow sucks.
[1382] You hate it.
[1383] Someone should redesign school.
[1384] School's terrible.
[1385] Yeah.
[1386] It's just the whole design of getting kids to sit down all day.
[1387] It's fucking terrible.
[1388] We wake them up at, like, farmer times.
[1389] Like, we wake them out.
[1390] I used to get up at, like, five in the morning, like I was a farmer.
[1391] Yeah.
[1392] And your parents would just go back to bed.
[1393] They're like, we don't go.
[1394] They just get up, and then they go back to sleep.
[1395] I'd be on the bus at, like, five in the morning.
[1396] It was instead.
[1397] terrible for kids and then they say we have ADD we're fucking tired yeah tired and bored yeah and this shows this thing you're doing in front of me sucks I got back to the Adderall thing so I got addicted and I ended up how did you start off with how much were you taking in the beginning I think probably like 30 milligrams right away yeah whoa I think maybe it was a little bit jimmy you said 20 kept you up for two days yeah that's I mean I'm not a user but 20 was plenty I don't like I I said a user like that.
[1398] Like, I'm not a user like this junkie.
[1399] I don't like I said, I'm not a user.
[1400] So you started off with 30s.
[1401] Yeah.
[1402] Did you start taking it every day?
[1403] Yeah.
[1404] Right away.
[1405] Yeah.
[1406] Recreationally?
[1407] First, recreationally.
[1408] Then I got the prescription.
[1409] So was FDA approved.
[1410] So he did listen to a psychiatrist.
[1411] I did listen.
[1412] She is a doctor.
[1413] Yes.
[1414] But then I started taking more and having to buy them off the street.
[1415] And then I, at one point I couldn't get any.
[1416] And this kid I knew, this kind of.
[1417] bad seed.
[1418] I asked him if he had it and he had like something he said his uncle made.
[1419] It was like a synthetic drug.
[1420] It turned out to be basalts.
[1421] I ended up taking them.
[1422] I was a greeter at a H &R Block, you know, the tax place.
[1423] And I just like basically had this horrible panic meltdown.
[1424] Like it kicked in and I just thought I was about to die.
[1425] I remember I called my twin sister.
[1426] I freaked around.
[1427] I was like, I think I'm about to die.
[1428] Goodbye.
[1429] Then I hung up.
[1430] And then she called back And she was like, called the ambulance.
[1431] They called the ambulance.
[1432] My heart rate was at like 100 and like, I don't know.
[1433] Probably what yours is when you're exercising.
[1434] But it was faster, it was fast for me. Probably was normal.
[1435] There was like 190, like crazy shit.
[1436] And, yeah, I totally.
[1437] That's redlining.
[1438] It was crazy.
[1439] Yeah, I almost died.
[1440] And then I ended up going to rehab for Adderall, which is kind of embarrassing.
[1441] How hard was it to kick?
[1442] You know, I weaned off, which was, if you wean off, I think it's okay.
[1443] Cold turkey is not for me. So what did you?
[1444] You said you were up to?
[1445] 90 a day, so how'd you wean?
[1446] You know, it was just 80, one week.
[1447] Really?
[1448] I think something like that, yeah.
[1449] So were you completely functional when you were on it, or were you out of your mind?
[1450] No, no, I was functional.
[1451] I was annoying.
[1452] That was, that was the thing.
[1453] I was annoying.
[1454] Oh, you couldn't stop talking.
[1455] Yeah, I got really annoying.
[1456] And it ended up, like, people were just, that's the thing, people think drugs will, you know, I'm not like a crazy person, but I just annoyed everyone.
[1457] Right.
[1458] And so the intervention was more like, you're really annoying, you talk nonstop.
[1459] And then I got off and it was kind of the same.
[1460] It wasn't that different.
[1461] I'm like, no, that's just me. And you're a lot of work.
[1462] It's actually a perk.
[1463] Yeah, exactly.
[1464] It's actually a plus.
[1465] But I miss it.
[1466] I mean, I could never do it again, but I miss it.
[1467] It was a great, it was my favorite drug.
[1468] It made you, because I have, you know, like everyone, I have low self -esteem.
[1469] And when you did it, it made me just write.
[1470] I just was so productive on it.
[1471] Really?
[1472] Yeah, because when I write, I mean, I've gotten better at it now over the years.
[1473] But when I write, you have that voice telling you it's shit and you can't, like move forward and and this the adderall like this was before i was i was doing stand -up a little but writing screenplays and stuff and the adderil gave me the confidence to just fucking plow through it it wasn't all good but some of those good you know well i mean that's why they were prescribing it to people back in the day when they first came up with it like in nazi germany even before they were giving it to the nazis you could buy that's what was it called perka what is it speed?
[1474] Well, it was the for sale version of methamphetamine that you could buy at drugstores.
[1475] Yeah.
[1476] And people would just take it.
[1477] And it was like a low dose.
[1478] It's essentially just like, that's it right there.
[1479] Kind of real similar to Adderall in a lot of ways.
[1480] But it was a, you know, it was methamphetamine.
[1481] Oh, right?
[1482] And you just could take it.
[1483] This is like over the counter, right?
[1484] Yeah.
[1485] It's back when they had like heroin candy.
[1486] Look at that.
[1487] Methamphetamine hydrochloride.
[1488] Oh, man. That's crazy.
[1489] So it was a small dose.
[1490] And people would take it all day long, and it gave them all this energy to get things done.
[1491] I mean, think about the engineering that was coming out of Germany at the same time.
[1492] Yeah, kind of nuts, man. They were focused.
[1493] They were fucking dialed in.
[1494] He was really focused on that Jew hating.
[1495] That animal really, that speed really focused.
[1496] Yeah.
[1497] If he wasn't on it, he probably wouldn't have killed as many people.
[1498] Well, if he wasn't on everything, he was on oxycodone, and they were giving him all these crazy animal hormones.
[1499] He was having them remove animal organs, and they were in.
[1500] injecting glands into Hitler's body.
[1501] He was like, they were practicing on it.
[1502] But here's what I don't get.
[1503] I've done oxycodone.
[1504] And when I'm on it, I'm very loving.
[1505] I love everyone.
[1506] He was on it and he was still hating it.
[1507] If that, like, he should have been like, I love the juice.
[1508] Like the oxycodone should have made him like more lovy -dovey.
[1509] Yeah, that's why I was confused too, because I had always heard that it was meth.
[1510] Because I knew that there was meth use and I knew that Hitler like cocaine and they used to shoot him up with testosterone too.
[1511] And that makes sense.
[1512] That makes sense.
[1513] You're a meth.
[1514] You're like, we got a problem.
[1515] I'm focused I'm going to commit to it But the oxy It's like when Rush Limbaugh You found out he was on oxy He was always so like angry Right And I feel like if I was on oxy I'd be like everything's gonna work out Bro he was on like 90 pills a day But where like the love He did so much They think it's part of the reason Why he went deaf Really?
[1516] Rush Limbaugh?
[1517] Yeah there's actually like a thing That happens When you overdose on opi You take too much opiates It fries your fucking ears But why like To have all that hate On the painkillers I just don't get When I'm on painkillers I love my enemies.
[1518] I think it's because you're a nice guy.
[1519] Oh, I like that spin.
[1520] I think who you are, like, at your core, like, while you operate in life, whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever.
[1521] It only enhances that who you are at your core.
[1522] So if you're, like, an evil person deep down, but you're covering it and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people, those people are probably already vicious inside of them.
[1523] Right.
[1524] That's totally true.
[1525] Or if you're a happy drunk, you're probably a good guy.
[1526] And you need a couple of drinks to feel loose and now you're fun, you're having a good time, you know, you're loving, you're hugging everybody.
[1527] No, that's a good point.
[1528] It's like what I used to drink, I would like tell people I love them.
[1529] Now I'm sober.
[1530] I don't tell anyone I love it.
[1531] Now I'm sober.
[1532] I'm worse sober.
[1533] Right.
[1534] Like I'm just like rigid.
[1535] That's the benefit of some drugs is that they allow you to relax whatever insecurities you have and just be cool with people.
[1536] So my girlfriend, speaking of drugs, she's on like serious.
[1537] blood thinners because she just had a stroke.
[1538] Oh, Jesus Christ.
[1539] How old is she?
[1540] Like a couple weeks ago.
[1541] She's 85.
[1542] I, no, she, so when we started dating two and a half years ago, she had, she was about to get open heart surgery.
[1543] Yeah.
[1544] Like, she told me that on our first date.
[1545] Oh, my God.
[1546] Yeah.
[1547] Is this like something she was born with?
[1548] It was a congenitive heart thing, mitral valve.
[1549] Mm -hmm.
[1550] She had a mitral valve leak.
[1551] Oh, Jesus.
[1552] And she found it out.
[1553] She's 37.
[1554] And so four months into her date.
[1555] she got open heart surgery.
[1556] Oh, my God.
[1557] Yeah, and then everything was going well, and then, like, this is, like, this month.
[1558] Like, I don't even, maybe a month ago.
[1559] I'm going to see a screening of my friend's movie, this really great comic isabella Hagan had funded her own movie.
[1560] I'm going to see it.
[1561] We're going to meet, and she calls me, and she says her, she can't see out of her left eye.
[1562] She's on the subway.
[1563] And we had to, like, call an ambulance and, like, rush to the hospital.
[1564] And, like, the crazy thing is, the ambulance did not take us right away.
[1565] Like, we got in there, and they, like, had to have to make.
[1566] or fill out her insurance.
[1567] Oh, my God.
[1568] For like 20 minutes.
[1569] Oh, my God.
[1570] That's so great with one eye.
[1571] With one eye.
[1572] Oh, my God.
[1573] That's so crazy.
[1574] I thought an ambulance just goes.
[1575] I thought they go too.
[1576] They were like getting the insurance.
[1577] She's like dying.
[1578] They're like, what's your group member ID number?
[1579] Oh, my God.
[1580] And then they finally went and there was no siren.
[1581] We just had the ambulance without the siren.
[1582] Oh, my God.
[1583] Pointless, you know.
[1584] So ambulance in traffic.
[1585] Ambulance and traffic.
[1586] We get to this like E. type place they think she's having a stroke and we had like a person on TV it was like black mirror they got like some neurologist who was like on vacation she just they brought the TV in like a like a TV and she was on the video the camera was moving around the room looking at people it was so bizarre and she said if it's a stroke she had to go on like really intense like blood thinners for the day and that they were so intense that if she even bumped her head she could get bleeding in the brain so they had to like observe her for like a day on these really, like she couldn't go anywhere because if she, she bled so easily on these blood thinners.
[1587] Right, she's so to stay put.
[1588] Yeah, so they gave it to her, she started bleeding out of her mouth right away.
[1589] She had like a cut in her, she was like smiling, like blood coming out of her mouth.
[1590] Oh my God.
[1591] And then the craziest part is, so they had to take her to the ICU to observe her, but we weren't at an ICU, we had like an ER that didn't have people stay the night.
[1592] So we had to, even though she was on these blood thinners, because you had to go on them for four hours, they had to put her an ambulance in the, the rain and we had to drive to a place where she couldn't move for a day because she could get if she got hit her head was like on the glass oh my god it was insane yeah it was insane the lot of problem with like EMTs and people like that it's not a problem but it's part of the job as they get real accustomed to people being fucked up and dying I know they yeah they didn't seem to be that urgent it's kind of crazy like I've talked to friends that worked as EMTs and They have the most morose senses of humor.
[1593] I know.
[1594] And they're so used to people dying.
[1595] And they tell you story.
[1596] They all have PTSD.
[1597] They're all fucked up.
[1598] They all get to gunshot wounds.
[1599] And they all see the worst shit.
[1600] Car accidents.
[1601] The worst shit.
[1602] Motorcycle crashes.
[1603] For us, it was like a huge emergency.
[1604] But for them, it's just a stroke.
[1605] Her head's intact, whatever.
[1606] Oh, my God.
[1607] It's so crazy.
[1608] She lost, she doesn't, she can't get it back.
[1609] She has like a blind spotter right now.
[1610] Oh, my God.
[1611] Yeah.
[1612] And no way it's coming back or?
[1613] She's gotten used to sing out both.
[1614] thighs, but when she closes one eye, there's like this, it's like your forehead would be like a little lighted out.
[1615] Oh, wow.
[1616] And I don't think it's going to come back.
[1617] She's doing great.
[1618] She's like, handled it very well.
[1619] But yeah, it's it was sad.
[1620] We left the hospital after like a couple of days.
[1621] And the saddest part is like we went outside and there's like a sunrise or a sunset.
[1622] And she's like, I can't, it doesn't look very pretty to me. Oh, no. Yeah, it was awful.
[1623] But she's gotten a lot.
[1624] I think she can see a lot.
[1625] She's more adjusted to it.
[1626] But I feel so old.
[1627] I'm like, my for not a stroke.
[1628] I got a pastrami sandwich for her there, and I felt like just an old Jewish couple, just eating a pastrami sandwich.
[1629] After one of them had a stroke.
[1630] After one of them had a stroke.
[1631] Like, hey, I take your pastrami.
[1632] Oof.
[1633] Yeah.
[1634] But, you know, I never thought in a million years I'd be the healthier one in the relationship.
[1635] That's the luck of the draw.
[1636] It's nice.
[1637] And even that.
[1638] Like, when she had open heart surgery, we were both, I make a bit about this, but we were both kind of equally out of breath.
[1639] After that, we'd go up subway stairs, and we'd both just be, like, fancy.
[1640] Oh, Jesus Christ.
[1641] Yeah.
[1642] But she's doing, she's doing great, and she's, you know, she, she, she handled it very well.
[1643] She's, like, a better person than me, which is kind of annoying.
[1644] So even in the hospital, she was, like, super worried about, she's a therapist.
[1645] She was super worried about, like, her patients while she was having the stroke.
[1646] Oh, wow.
[1647] It's kind of annoying when people are, like.
[1648] That good?
[1649] Yeah.
[1650] You're like, shut up.
[1651] Well, that's the kind of therapist you want.
[1652] Yeah.
[1653] So if she doesn't get jaded by.
[1654] the world not yet um therapist that's another one i mean you got to think everyone's out of their fucking mind because everybody you're talking to is out of their fucking mind oh yeah and she sees people like it's you know she she helps she's a social worker's therapist so she helps people who have like you know typically can't afford like so it's not it's not white people problem therapy right it's like you know safety planning yeah you know how do i you know that kind of stuff right it's not like i feel unhappy it's like your husband beat you how do we We get you out of the house kind of stuff, you know.
[1655] Boy.
[1656] Yeah, she has an intense life.
[1657] But it's nice to date because to me the harsh part about dating someone is their job.
[1658] They have to tell boring work stories.
[1659] And you just have to deal with it.
[1660] Right.
[1661] But her stories are never boring.
[1662] They're always like insane shit, you know.
[1663] I guess that's better.
[1664] I mean, she.
[1665] It's better than pretending you care about, like, her friend being mad at her at the, you know, whatever.
[1666] After a certain point in time, you might look for that.
[1667] Yeah.
[1668] I'm looking for nonsense talk now.
[1669] I like heavy.
[1670] Do you?
[1671] I think so.
[1672] Even when she told me she had about to get open heart surgery.
[1673] I mean, I like to.
[1674] I didn't get excited, but I was like, I'm not, I don't, I don't, like, shy away from that stuff, you know.
[1675] That's probably a good sign.
[1676] Yeah.
[1677] No, it feels like we've been married for like 25 years now.
[1678] Wow.
[1679] Yeah, you've gone through a lot, right?
[1680] Yeah.
[1681] You've got to learn about someone, if someone's going through heart surgery.
[1682] How do you react to it?
[1683] in the hospital when she had it there's like have you ever been to the hospital if someone gets surgery?
[1684] There's like a giant terminal thing that shows everyone's names and it says like in the middle if they're in the middle surgery or not and then sometimes it'll just flash canceled and you're like did that person die but I think they just like canceled surgery.
[1685] Yeah but yeah it's intense but I got a couple good bits out of it and that's what's important.
[1686] Did she get upset that you have bits about it?
[1687] No No. Maybe she might have been disturbed a little by the speed in which I...
[1688] Well, it's tough.
[1689] I was in a rut a little.
[1690] And, you know, sometimes you're in a rut with comedy.
[1691] And then something crazy happens.
[1692] It just starts coming.
[1693] You know what I mean?
[1694] Yeah, the problem is if it involves someone else.
[1695] We get in that argument a lot, yeah.
[1696] Which I get.
[1697] I mean, she's not a comedian.
[1698] She doesn't give a...
[1699] Like, I just want to be personal.
[1700] Right.
[1701] I want to bravely disclose all her personal.
[1702] I want to bravely disclose all her.
[1703] And how that's trouble you're having dealing with her open heart.
[1704] Yeah, I'm very brave for bringing this stuff up about you.
[1705] Absolutely.
[1706] I feel that way.
[1707] But, yeah, no, but she's, yeah, she's amazing.
[1708] And, yeah, it's my first, like, serious relationship, and I'm already in, like, serious and I'm already.
[1709] I went from, like...
[1710] Your first ever really serious one?
[1711] Like, moving in with the person.
[1712] Oh, wow.
[1713] I know.
[1714] I know.
[1715] I'm like 40.
[1716] But you're a comic and it's like it's so hard for comics to just settle down to just staying put and doing things with a person and hanging out.
[1717] You're just so used to just running from club to club and set to set and meeting your friends and it just becomes a bizarre lifestyle.
[1718] Especially when I moved to New York.
[1719] I got into the cellar and at that point like it's really hard to date people because you get a lot of spots and you can't see anyone.
[1720] Yeah, your nighttimes are filled.
[1721] Yeah, exactly.
[1722] And they get mad.
[1723] You don't have to do a sad tonight, but I do.
[1724] Yeah, you have to.
[1725] I remember when I was dating this girl, I was 25, and she was like, you don't have to go up tonight.
[1726] I'm like, but I do.
[1727] I suck.
[1728] I need to get better.
[1729] This is only one way to do it.
[1730] I know.
[1731] But I am working with, like, my therapist about realizing that, like, you know, I always for years, the person your relationship with is somehow, like, an enemy of your artistic process, you know?
[1732] Like, they're there to stifle you.
[1733] It's an unhealthy way of thinking, and I've tried to work about it.
[1734] How did you develop that way of thinking, you think?
[1735] I think my mom, though she's great, was like pretty overbearing, like a Jewish mother.
[1736] And I think I, she was so kind of like always like overbearing, like always wanting to know what's going on, that I think my response was like going to my room and shut people out.
[1737] And so I think I'm afraid.
[1738] You know, she's a Jewish mother.
[1739] So she just tells me what everything to do at all times.
[1740] Right.
[1741] So I think I've associated intimacy with someone.
[1742] I came up with this, my therapist brought this.
[1743] up.
[1744] I'm not smart enough to realize this, but I think I associate intimacy with someone trying to stifle me or smother me, you know, as opposed to like something where you're trying to, you know, be in something.
[1745] But that also can happen if you're with someone who has, they don't understand, like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing, like I had a friend, and he was a good comic, and he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job.
[1746] And he was doing pretty good.
[1747] You know, he wasn't like headlining all the places but he was middling quite a few places and like he had some bits that were bangers he had some good bits and he could have been a really good comic and he got divorced a couple years later like I ran into him three years later he got divorced he was trying to do comedy again but he had done comedy in three years and he lost all of his momentum and he couldn't get spots and no one gave a shit and everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up and that's a bad relationship because she doesn't understand him or like she thinks like my thing is my girlfriend doesn't think that way and I sometimes find myself projecting that onto her right because I project like like she'll just be like I don't I'm not comfortable with you doing this joke and I'm like quit trying to silence me I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his 30s and it hadn't happened yet yeah and it was one of those probably the parents like what is he doing what if he doesn't make it you know right right like have you ever experienced that I had a girl that I was dating when I was 21 and her father said that like what if he doesn't make it like that I'm first of all I'm fucking 21 yeah I'm a little kid right leave me alone yeah yeah second of all like who no yeah he's right he's like who fucking knows I might not make it but I'm gonna try I'm not gonna not try because I might not make it that's a pussy's way to live life of course and like yeah I mean you have to like I don't know I mean to me it's not about make it's about if you love something do it and do it if even if you're broke I mean And to me, it's, I don't believe in, like, I don't think of things of having a safety plan.
[1748] David Mamet, I think it was him said that, like, don't have a safety plan because you're under falling back on it.
[1749] Yeah, that's common.
[1750] Yeah.
[1751] Don't have a net.
[1752] Don't have a net.
[1753] You will fall.
[1754] I think you just have to, if you love something, like, for me, I love comedy.
[1755] I love, like, making movies.
[1756] I'm focused on that.
[1757] That's wonderful.
[1758] But there are guys that are doing open mic nights for 25 fucking years and they're still terrible.
[1759] Yes.
[1760] Maybe those guys should move on.
[1761] Oh, 100%.
[1762] Right.
[1763] That's what I'm saying.
[1764] The question is.
[1765] Are you one of those people, right?
[1766] Right.
[1767] And, well, at 21, I really did know if I was one of those people.
[1768] But you have to at least give it a chance.
[1769] And if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take a chance, like, this is not going to work.
[1770] Yeah, it's definitely good, especially if you have a kid, I feel like it's definitely good to already have a career of some.
[1771] Like, I have a career.
[1772] It's not like amazing, but it's a career.
[1773] Yeah.
[1774] And that helps.
[1775] Like, it's like, I am making money.
[1776] Yes.
[1777] But it's really tough if you're like, don't make money.
[1778] Oh, yeah.
[1779] in a relationship, especially you have a kid.
[1780] Oh, if you have a kid and you're starting out as a comic, boy, that is a fucking uphill slog.
[1781] You're fuck, because then you're also selfish now.
[1782] Right.
[1783] You're selfish if you're taking spots.
[1784] Yeah.
[1785] When you should be good.
[1786] So that's, that's tough.
[1787] Yeah.
[1788] Well, if you live in the city, at least you can do it when everyone's asleep.
[1789] Right, right.
[1790] You know, when I was living in L .A., I would do 10 o 'clock shows.
[1791] So I'd be at home, and then everybody's basically going to bed.
[1792] I'm like, I'm going to go do shows.
[1793] So I'd do shows from 9 p .m. on.
[1794] That's true.
[1795] But how was, was it hard when you first had a kid?
[1796] Yeah, it's crazy.
[1797] That's got to be tough doing comedy.
[1798] It's crazy.
[1799] But it's also, you know, the thing is, like, they go to bed early.
[1800] And as long as you have a spouse that understands what's going on and she's cool with it, you can go out and do sets.
[1801] Yes.
[1802] But if you're starting out then, and this is like this pipe dream that you have and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing.
[1803] Like, I was already a headliner, I was on television, I was already making money.
[1804] That's how we made money.
[1805] I had to go do comedy.
[1806] So that's a job.
[1807] but it's not a dream.
[1808] You know, it's like, if you're chasing a dream in you're 36 and you have three kids and you want to quit your job at the accounting company, like, yikes, bro.
[1809] Now you're kind of being an asshole.
[1810] Well, it's also like, what are they?
[1811] You better get really fucking good before you quit that job.
[1812] Like, how are you going to have the time to get really fucking good?
[1813] Yeah, exactly.
[1814] You want to, like, if you're going to have a kid, I think, we talked about, it's a possibility at some point.
[1815] It's like you want to at least make enough money in your career that if you had a kid, you'd actually just have to work harder at your career.
[1816] as opposed to getting another career.
[1817] Right, exactly, exactly.
[1818] And it's like there's a lot of people that are, they have the dream of stand -up, but they probably haven't really gone out at 100%.
[1819] Yeah, well, that's the other thing.
[1820] And they still have this thing in the back of their head that one day they will, and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week, and they just don't.
[1821] And then they get into the situation where, like, oh, my God, everyone's kind of passed me by.
[1822] I know.
[1823] All the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road, and I'm still stuck in L .A. Right, right, right.
[1824] Yeah, you have to, I mean, you have to work hard at it.
[1825] We were talking about if we had a kid, like, I was, like, talking about it, and I was like, well, you would, you know, on the weekend I'd be on the road.
[1826] But during the day, during the week, I'd babysit the kid.
[1827] And she's like, it doesn't feel like you're very serious if you're referring to it as babysitting.
[1828] Your own kid.
[1829] Yeah, you can't say.
[1830] What did you do all day?
[1831] I babysat.
[1832] Oh, who's kids, mine?
[1833] It doesn't seem like you're really committed to it It seems like you babysit the kid You have a very clear Responsibility and it's not yours I'll do your job for you if you want to take a nap That you go back to do it You go back to being the boss of the kids Just pay me $10 an hour I did say that Give me what number to call if anything goes wrong Yeah that's hilarious But yeah it's uh yeah having a kid is scary But you know I think it's good you know i think it's good but it's not good for everybody and it's not good depending upon what kind of relationship you're in right you definitely can't do it to save a relationship oh my god i've seen that happen before like what are you doing are you crazy you guys are about to break up and now you're having a kid yeah that doesn't work no one's like we're about to break up it's gonna keep us together yeah but sort i guess yeah i mean you'll always talk i feel like kids break people apart more than anything they break some people apart they bring some people closer they definitely brought me and my wife closer really yeah it's not a it doesn't have to be a negative thing it's just like comics look at it as a thief of their time i know you know and you know louis said it best you said you just got to let it change you yeah yeah you know i thought that was really good advice because it definitely changes you and you can't resist it you just got to be who you are now you're just a different person now you now now you're a person that's watching babies come out of your wife's body and then grow up and talk to you and you take them to do things together and you having fun laughing together.
[1834] It's like this very strange thing where a life that did not exist now exists.
[1835] Right.
[1836] And you love it more than anything you've ever loved in your life.
[1837] You love this person.
[1838] And you love it no matter if the kid is like telling a boring story.
[1839] Like it goes beyond, like with your friend you're like every story's got to be entertaining, you know?
[1840] But with people you love, it's like you just love them.
[1841] I talk to my kids about the most boring shit.
[1842] But to them it's not boring.
[1843] You know, like to talk about bands they like and stuff they like.
[1844] It's interesting.
[1845] You know, it's fascinating to watch their little minds grow and the way they interface with the world and see them develop skills and things.
[1846] Yeah, all my siblings have kids.
[1847] They're a lot of fun.
[1848] It's time to do it if you're 40.
[1849] I know.
[1850] I keep on asking like I'm rushing, I keep on acting like I'm rushing into things.
[1851] I'm like, I don't know.
[1852] It seems so quick.
[1853] And then I'm like, wait, I'm 40 or so.
[1854] Yeah.
[1855] I always think I'm rushing into things when it's actually like the last chance or at least the last chance of the, you know.
[1856] We will.
[1857] It's going to be a little on hold to the stroke.
[1858] Yeah, I would say That's probably a good move Jesus Christ Well, she's on blood thinners now She's like a hemophiliac How long does she have to stay on those for?
[1859] What?
[1860] How long does she have to stay on those?
[1861] For Until they figure out what kind of caused it Roger Ails was a hemophiliac Was he?
[1862] Yeah, yeah, yeah Jesus, that's a scary one I know Anybody could just punch you to death Yeah Or just give you a bloody nose And you bleed out Yeah, it's crazy That's nuts Yeah, that's how she was I mean, she's not like that now But in the ICU She's basically hemophiles And so she has to stay on these for how long?
[1863] I think they're trying to find out exactly.
[1864] They still don't know what caused a stroke.
[1865] Wow.
[1866] They assume it's something to do as a heart surgery.
[1867] Makes sense.
[1868] Either that or God hates her and just giving her a bunch of shit.
[1869] A double whammy to deal with.
[1870] But I think it's, yeah, I think they'll find out.
[1871] But yeah, hopefully not.
[1872] I mean, I think you'd have to get off if we had a kid.
[1873] Yeah.
[1874] Well, yeah, I have like six nephews and nieces.
[1875] So you've got baby fever a little bit.
[1876] It seems like you keep talking about it.
[1877] A little bit.
[1878] A little bit.
[1879] A little touch.
[1880] A little touch.
[1881] But also, you know.
[1882] But also like not having a kid.
[1883] I don't know.
[1884] They both have good points and bad points.
[1885] For sure.
[1886] I don't think everybody needs to.
[1887] You know, there's a lot of people that have kids and say, everybody should have a kid.
[1888] I think you can have a wonderful life without having children.
[1889] I think it's totally possible.
[1890] Well, the people who killed their kids probably should have had kids.
[1891] Everybody should have it.
[1892] I read this horrible story about this.
[1893] child prodigy that like the mother trained this child to do everything they rebelled at 18 and she killed them oh my god yeah oh rebelled against the thing against i i forget what i got so disturbed by it i turned the page but i was reading about this but that person shouldn't have had a kid yeah well there's a lot of psychos that their kid is just a representation of the it's not an individual human being it's their property is them going through life that you will do what i tell you to do you will be a lawyer you'll be a football player, whatever the fuck it is.
[1894] Well, that's why the other bullshit thing and the people who act like kids make you a better person, that's not everybody.
[1895] That's not true, yeah.
[1896] It's like the oxycodone thing.
[1897] Yeah.
[1898] Who are you?
[1899] Exactly.
[1900] It intensifies it's actually who you are, but now there's like much bigger moral consequences.
[1901] Like, you can be kind of a dick, but it's not that big of a deal.
[1902] But then if you have a kid and you're still a dick, now you're like a bad person.
[1903] Yeah.
[1904] Where before you were just like kind of a dick.
[1905] Or you're just exuding excellence in broadcasting yes it kind of makes sense why he's so cocky the guy was like flying high all day like we rush rush yeah that's excellence in broadcasting yeah that was his thing right yeah excellence in broadcasting rush limbo just never at once just be at peace it just made me think too like this whole idea of conservatives being like buttoned down sober people like look at the world clearly, no, your fucking main guys pilled out of his fucking mind spouted out nonsense.
[1906] Obama's from Kenya, we'll be right back.
[1907] They're like the real fucking hippies on all these drugs, yeah.
[1908] As long as it's prescribed by a doctor, it's not a drug.
[1909] That's how I go by it.
[1910] The doctor said, the doctor said, I told the doctor I have a natural problem.
[1911] They can be a prescription.
[1912] It is so funny to be like, I have a real problem.
[1913] We'll just prescribe it for you.
[1914] That is so wild that they're said that to you i know it was insane that's so wild yeah well you need it you obviously you're on it you shouldn't get off of it because then you could die or something you could fucking be slow and not as it was hard to get off it's hard to like go back to writing without it oh yeah it's tough but it you know i had to do it and uh i can't go back on it now because i would chain smoke on it and i quit smoking and honestly that's more worrisome like if i took an adderall i would just chain smoke again it seems like a lot of coping a lot of things going on your head right now talking about this yeah oh wait what do you Because it always has a grip on you.
[1915] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1916] And it's like, well, maybe I could go back.
[1917] But then I would start chain smoking.
[1918] And I don't want to do that.
[1919] So I don't want to go back.
[1920] All right, let's do it.
[1921] Let's relapse right now.
[1922] He's fucking crush them and start snorting them.
[1923] Lloyd Bridges from airplane.
[1924] Bad day to get back on Adderall.
[1925] Yeah, I've avoided those, but I've been curious about Adderall.
[1926] Have you never done it?
[1927] Nope.
[1928] Nope.
[1929] Never done cocaine.
[1930] Never done Adderall.
[1931] So you're not, because you do drugs.
[1932] Yeah, but when I was a kid, I got very lucky and not lucky, but one of my friends has cousin was addicted to Coke, and I watched this guy's life completely fall apart.
[1933] He was selling Coke, and it was like he got bit by a vampire.
[1934] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1935] He was a different person.
[1936] Like, he was, like, real skinny and, like, all gaunt and shit, and just coked up all the time and fucked up.
[1937] You're not supposed to use your own supply.
[1938] That's like a big one.
[1939] Well, he didn't follow the rules.
[1940] He's not following the Coke.
[1941] I think a lot of them don't follow the, it wasn't like a businessman.
[1942] He was a guy who, like, got Coke and sold some of it.
[1943] I'm such a nerd, but that's not a drug dealer, uh, protocol.
[1944] Yeah, I mean, it's from, you know, the biggie, the Ten Crack Commandments.
[1945] Ten Crack Commandments.
[1946] Don't get high off your own supply.
[1947] Yeah.
[1948] I, yeah, I mean, I did a lot of Coke back of the day, too.
[1949] I mean, you see a lot of sunrises, which is pretty.
[1950] That's a good way to look at it.
[1951] I've seen way more sunrises now than I would have if I didn't do cocaine.
[1952] But what about when you were getting up at farmer hours?
[1953] You saw a lot of sunrises then, too?
[1954] Yeah, but I was a kid.
[1955] I didn't appreciate it, you know?
[1956] So the Adderall keeps you awake.
[1957] When you're a kid, you're never like, oh, well, look on a beautiful sunrise.
[1958] And it's easier to stay awake than it is to get up.
[1959] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1960] That's a good point.
[1961] Very good point.
[1962] If you're on Adderall, it's way easier to just stay up.
[1963] That sounds like a profound line in a song.
[1964] Yeah.
[1965] Like a Dylan line.
[1966] When I was young, I used to love staying up all night.
[1967] I just think it was awesome that I would be going to bed when everybody was running around.
[1968] Oh, yeah.
[1969] It is just my favorite thing.
[1970] It's a sacred time.
[1971] This comedian in front of mine, great comic, Ben Moore.
[1972] he had an awful sleeping schedule where he would literally go to bed at 9 in the morning and woke up at 5 p .m. and just started his day when everyone was like ending that.
[1973] Was he a comic?
[1974] Yeah, that's comic life.
[1975] Yeah, that's a little too much.
[1976] That's a lot.
[1977] You need sunlight.
[1978] Yeah, every now and then you probably shouldn't do that, but every now and again do it.
[1979] I don't think it's so bad.
[1980] But I like, I mean, I like sunlight.
[1981] Yeah, I like to, you know.
[1982] It's good for you.
[1983] Take a vitamin D. How you stay healthy?
[1984] But when I was like in my early 20s when I lived in New York, I would stay up all night all the time.
[1985] Really?
[1986] Yeah, I go to bed.
[1987] Not on cocaine.
[1988] It's very impressive.
[1989] Just high on life?
[1990] Playing pool mostly.
[1991] Oh, you're a big pool guy?
[1992] Yeah, so like I'd go to the clubs and afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool until 4 o 'clock in the morning, go to a diner.
[1993] Oh, wow.
[1994] Get something to eat my friends.
[1995] Six o 'clock in the morning.
[1996] I was hanging out with just complete derelicks, like pool hustlers and crazy people and comics.
[1997] You know, so it was like no one was normal.
[1998] And so then it was normal.
[1999] So I called someone at 5 o 'clock.
[2000] I said, I just woke up.
[2001] They would think it was funny.
[2002] It was like, I was up all night.
[2003] It was normal.
[2004] It wasn't like, you loser.
[2005] Right.
[2006] I was like, oh, you're living the crazy young life.
[2007] And you liked it, huh?
[2008] It was good times.
[2009] I'm impressed that you could do that without cocaine.
[2010] I feel like that's very impressive.
[2011] Yeah, but when you're playing pool all night and you're drinking coffee and just hanging out, it's the time.
[2012] And also, I was so used to it.
[2013] I was so used.
[2014] I didn't have anything to get up for.
[2015] Right, right.
[2016] I didn't have a job.
[2017] So when you're doing comedy.
[2018] Yeah.
[2019] I just started me. making money doing comedy.
[2020] So I had enough money that comedy for the first time in my life was like legitimately paying my bills.
[2021] Paying my rent.
[2022] I had a car.
[2023] Like I was driving around to gigs.
[2024] I was doing like headliner gigs in Connecticut and Jersey like 500 bucks there, $350 there.
[2025] So every week I was making like a good amount of money and I was just having a good time.
[2026] That's great.
[2027] I always, they always talk about like the moment where you start making it and you can quit your day job.
[2028] Yeah.
[2029] That never happened.
[2030] I had, I would have day jobs and make a little money on comedy and then the day job would want to fire me because I wasn't there enough but I'd like no I need this job I don't make enough in comedy and then they'd fire me I'd be like forced to like focus on comedy how many years in did you become a complete professional I think like 11 oh wow so you really did keep a job for do you think the job held you back or do you think it helped you no I only had like shitty like kind of like part -time job right I think around not I started opening for castley madigan on the road and that's when I first started having money and she was great and it was great working with her.
[2031] She's hilarious.
[2032] She's amazing and I really learned a lot from her and she's one of the best and that's where I first kind of had money where I could like actually move to New York I think I had part -time jobs and I was just living with my parents and doing comedy on the road going to like the looney bins and shit taking greyhounds I took greyhounds everywhere.
[2033] It was I paid my dues.
[2034] Nice.
[2035] I would take like an 18 hour greyhound.
[2036] Oh I did that a couple of times It's insane.
[2037] Bus trips to a gig are rough.
[2038] It's like the DMV on wheels.
[2039] It's just the most depressing people.
[2040] It's the weird as fucking people.
[2041] Like, where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?
[2042] You're like, yeah, how did you even get on a bus?
[2043] Oh, I've heard like the craziest shit on, like, the Greyhound is just like an insane.
[2044] And that's story about the one guy who cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound?
[2045] I used to have a bit about it because, you know, like other comics, other comics have like the observational airplane material.
[2046] Right.
[2047] But I wasn't doing well enough to the airplane.
[2048] I'd open all my bits with Greyhound material.
[2049] Oh, wow.
[2050] Just got here from the Greyhound.
[2051] I had a bit about, like, I was surprised the bus even stopped after that.
[2052] Usually they just keep on going, I hope the shit works itself out.
[2053] That guy, was he who was just, like, schizophrenic or something?
[2054] He cut some guy's head off that was sitting next one.
[2055] Schizophrenic, it was a carny.
[2056] Canada man who behead bus passenger granted freedom.
[2057] Oh, yeah.
[2058] The Canadian legal system is insane.
[2059] Wait, what?
[2060] Yeah, no, he got off.
[2061] He got, like, he got, like, out.
[2062] He's been granted freedom.
[2063] Full freedom?
[2064] Yeah, no, it's crazy.
[2065] When you read this, it'll make you, like, appreciate America.
[2066] He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment.
[2067] A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge without monitoring saying he did not pose a significant threat.
[2068] When you behead someone on a bus, aren't you a significant threat?
[2069] I just feel like once you've beheaded someone, that's it.
[2070] That's it for you.
[2071] Oh, my God.
[2072] Right?
[2073] He removed his internal organs.
[2074] He repeatedly stabbed him.
[2075] Oh, my God.
[2076] Attack began without warnings, alerted by screams from the victim.
[2077] The driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr. Baker continued his attack.
[2078] He was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital.
[2079] The voice told me, I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus, and I was to save people from a space alien attack.
[2080] He also said he was really sorry for what he'd done.
[2081] It's funny, back to back.
[2082] It's the best that they took them completely out of context.
[2083] Generally, I'm not a fan of that.
[2084] But in this stretch, I put that back up, I like how they talk him completely out of context and said, really sorry, in quotes.
[2085] Not even dot, dot, dot.
[2086] I was killing to prevent space aliens, but also, my bad.
[2087] Are you sorry?
[2088] I'm really sorry.
[2089] I'm really sorry.
[2090] There's something about really sorry.
[2091] That's just very funny for that.
[2092] Well, he definitely doesn't pose a significant threat to the safety of the public.
[2093] Imagine, imagine if that's your friend.
[2094] This guy cut your friend's head off and they just let him out.
[2095] It's insane.
[2096] They did a radio lab about this.
[2097] Like, in America, if you behead someone, that's like the end of your...
[2098] That's a wrap.
[2099] That's a rap.
[2100] That's a rap.
[2101] As it should be.
[2102] I feel like once you cut off a head, there's no resuscitating your career.
[2103] But there they just, like, observed him for a little bit.
[2104] He believed the victim me. as an alien.
[2105] Well, he had his reasons.
[2106] You hear about the lady in California that smoked weed and she stabbed her boyfriend.
[2107] She killed him.
[2108] She stabbed him like 11 times, something crazy.
[2109] And they deemed her not criminally responsible because she went psychotic.
[2110] She had a psychotic break from the weed.
[2111] Was she really sorry?
[2112] She was really sorry.
[2113] She was really sorry.
[2114] I think she's had really, really, really.
[2115] I think we're good.
[2116] I feel like that guy needed another really.
[2117] Don't you If that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse, I do not think anybody would buy it.
[2118] No. Not for a fucking second.
[2119] Just to be like...
[2120] Woman?
[2121] Oh, a hundred and eight times.
[2122] Excuse me. A hundred and eight times.
[2123] Did I say 11?
[2124] You said 11?
[2125] I met 1008.
[2126] Gee, what the fuck?
[2127] California, I forgot.
[2128] A potent strain a pot.
[2129] Yeah, it's a super potent strain.
[2130] But it was really potent.
[2131] Dude, relax.
[2132] Stop being so judgy.
[2133] I mean, it was really potent.
[2134] Do they have to call it potent?
[2135] She went to jail.
[2136] Got free.
[2137] She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
[2138] What is the difference between involuntary involuntary?
[2139] I didn't mean to kill them.
[2140] I only stabbed it 108 times.
[2141] Yeah, I guess involuntary is...
[2142] One time it should be attempted murder.
[2143] And if you actually kill them, it's murder.
[2144] Well, yeah, of course.
[2145] That's one stab.
[2146] Premeditated comes in for murder.
[2147] Right.
[2148] But wait a minute, isn't it second degree murder if it's not premeditated?
[2149] I think that's what it is.
[2150] Yeah.
[2151] I think that's the second degree murder is.
[2152] Like, you don't mean to...
[2153] Yeah, manslaughter's an accident.
[2154] Isn't aware that premeditated is worse?
[2155] Because the other one is kind of like, oh, he could kill at any time without warning.
[2156] But that should get a lesser sentence.
[2157] Yeah, kind of crazy.
[2158] I feel like that's the scarier one.
[2159] The premeditated is like, at least you might know if he's planning it again because he plans it.
[2160] You know?
[2161] I see what you're saying.
[2162] But he's got his reasons.
[2163] Like the guy on the bus is like, I could kill anyone at any time.
[2164] And they're like, well, that's not as bad.
[2165] Although the two were dating, Spetcher told the outlet she never considered O'Meli her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him okay she claimed he was aggressive intimidating and had an temper she told the outlet so when he encouraged her to hit a bong on the day of the stabbing she gave into the pressure then went into a deadly psychosis well i think her alibi is that he was really annoying he seemed super annoying he got real loud and yelling yeah imagine that for a woman He gets super shouty.
[2166] Fuck that guy.
[2167] Imagine a guy doing that.
[2168] But also.
[2169] So we're both accountable.
[2170] Oh, my God.
[2171] But there's obviously been more attention to my part versus Chad's part.
[2172] The part where the guy got stabbed 108 times?
[2173] I feel like people are really focused on me. And I just don't think it's the full story.
[2174] Such sexism and bullshit.
[2175] I stabbed him 108 times.
[2176] But he also raised his voice a lot.
[2177] He got shoddy.
[2178] Yeah, but they're just focusing on the...
[2179] And he scared me. Okay.
[2180] He fucking raised his voice.
[2181] That's the pro stabbing someone a hundred and eleven times.
[2182] 108.
[2183] Sorry, 108.
[2184] It wasn't that potent weed.
[2185] Hyperbole.
[2186] Although I love how they say potent weed.
[2187] Super potent.
[2188] As if that's the strand, like you go to the drugstore, they're like, this strand will have you stab your boyfriend.
[2189] Month before the fatal encounter, Amelia's roommate also had an extreme reaction after smoking out of the same bong.
[2190] Goldstein said he suffered hallucinations and fear of death.
[2191] But that just sounds like you get too high.
[2192] That's just what every time I get on.
[2193] How about fucking bong does this guy have?
[2194] Yeah.
[2195] She only smoked pot less than a half a dozen times prior to the stabbing, her lawyer said, describing her as a naive user.
[2196] She's naive.
[2197] But just imagine the sex is being reversed.
[2198] She got really yelly, and I got real nervous.
[2199] And, you know, I'd only smoked pot like six times before that.
[2200] Oh, well, that in that case, yeah.
[2201] Are you really, really sorry?
[2202] Well, also, like, what about her part?
[2203] You know, she was kind of responsible.
[2204] It's just funny that they're using weed like it's bath salt or crystal meth.
[2205] Exactly.
[2206] It was a really strong weed.
[2207] 31 % THC.
[2208] That's pretty high, son.
[2209] But it's like...
[2210] Because it's caution for high tolerance users only.
[2211] Yeah, but the problem is the side effects or the effects of marijuana do not match that at all.
[2212] It's the opposite.
[2213] I don't, yeah, that's, I think that's on her.
[2214] Los Angeles -based dispensary found marijuana flour for...
[2215] sale legally with TH levels as high as 39 % that's even more potent.
[2216] Similar levels were available Friday from a local competitor, but yet no one's running around stabbing people.
[2217] It's just so crazy that they accepted that.
[2218] That sounds so nuts.
[2219] And you talk about victim blaming.
[2220] Well, what about Chad?
[2221] Chad was really shoddy.
[2222] Oh, his name of Chad?
[2223] And then, never mind.
[2224] Yeah, his name is Chad.
[2225] Never mind then.
[2226] Didn't they say?
[2227] That's his name, right?
[2228] Chad.
[2229] It's not a good name for a guy that got stabbed.
[2230] Automatically, unless her name's Karen, automatically you're going to be on.
[2231] Sean.
[2232] It was Sean.
[2233] Why did she?
[2234] But it's like what we said.
[2235] No, Chad?
[2236] Yeah, killing of Chad.
[2237] Yeah, I don't know why it says Sean here.
[2238] Chad.
[2239] People don't even care about the guy's fucking name.
[2240] Fuck, Chad.
[2241] His father, Sean.
[2242] I mean, like, yeah, that's what we talk about for when the drug brings out who you are inside.
[2243] Right.
[2244] Like, the killing of the stabbing someone 100 times, that's, that's you.
[2245] But also, like, how do you keep doing it after you do it one or two?
[2246] I know.
[2247] It's really boring after a while.
[2248] That's so crazy.
[2249] Like, your arm must get tired.
[2250] You stabbed him a hundred and eight times.
[2251] It's actually a pretty impressive workout.
[2252] She probably hurt herself.
[2253] What about that?
[2254] What about that?
[2255] She got hurt too.
[2256] What about that?
[2257] It's a good point.
[2258] Yeah.
[2259] It's just I couldn't imagine ever seeing those roles reversed.
[2260] There's no way.
[2261] Yeah, I stabbed her a hundred eight times.
[2262] But here's the thing.
[2263] She was real naggy.
[2264] Super shouty.
[2265] And I was pretty high.
[2266] Yeah, they're really high.
[2267] And I don't get that high.
[2268] All right, you are.
[2269] Only smoked pop five or six times.
[2270] That's not like your first time.
[2271] Like five or six times is like, you know what weed does.
[2272] But weed doesn't do that.
[2273] It doesn't make you kill people.
[2274] No, no. I mean, you can go crazy, though.
[2275] You can freak out.
[2276] Some people freak out.
[2277] They really do.
[2278] But that, she must have really despised that guy.
[2279] And that might have been, like, popped out of her.
[2280] That's not, I'm in there with this fucking idiot.
[2281] That's in there, not that deep.
[2282] It's not like you're just like, yeah, fuck.
[2283] 108 times.
[2284] I mean, I've had like, you know, I get anxious on weed.
[2285] Yeah.
[2286] But you don't go around stabby?
[2287] No, I just sit there thinking everyone's going to hate me and I'm going to die.
[2288] I don't, like, think about stabbing people.
[2289] A hundred and eight times.
[2290] That is excessive.
[2291] If you did anything a hundred times on your high, you probably meant to do it.
[2292] Yeah, it seems like if you hit 108 golf balls, that's what you're trying to do.
[2293] That's about the max you could do.
[2294] You get pretty fucking tired.
[2295] It seems like she was more on Adderall with that amount of stabbing.
[2296] That sounds so crazy.
[2297] I want to know if she was on anything else along with it.
[2298] Because, you know, like, if you mix, like, Zoloft with cocaine, it's very, dangerous.
[2299] There's certain things that you, if you mix stuff with no Bueno.
[2300] Really?
[2301] Yeah.
[2302] People lose their fucking marbles.
[2303] What's bad with Prozac?
[2304] I'm on Prozac.
[2305] That's a good question.
[2306] What is bad with Prozac?
[2307] Let's find out.
[2308] If you're on Prozac, should you be taking edibles?
[2309] Oh, boy.
[2310] What happens?
[2311] I take one every night.
[2312] Oh, well, you're the test.
[2313] It's fine.
[2314] For you.
[2315] I was looking up...
[2316] That's the thing.
[2317] It's like What's fine for you is not fine for everybody.
[2318] I was looking up NyQuil because I was taking.
[2319] I also take a sleeping pill.
[2320] I wanted to see if Nike will.
[2321] Here it goes.
[2322] Okay.
[2323] You shouldn't take.
[2324] It may increase your risk for bleeding problems.
[2325] Oh, a couple of strokers.
[2326] Make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood, including non -stortal anti -inflammatories like ibuprofen.
[2327] Well.
[2328] I take Advil all the time.
[2329] It interacts with monoamine oxidase inhibitors, M -A -O -I's.
[2330] other antidepressants and blood thinners.
[2331] I sound like I'm okay.
[2332] I can't make sure with my girlfriend's medication.
[2333] That's saying don't take ayahuasca though.
[2334] Oh, really?
[2335] Yeah.
[2336] I'm not really.
[2337] I don't think I would take ayahuasca.
[2338] Well, don't do it.
[2339] If you're on the Prozac, don't do it.
[2340] I'm not interested in that.
[2341] It said non -stortal anti -inflammatories and M .A .O. Inhibitors, and that's one of the ingredients.
[2342] Serious bleeding, serotonin syndrome.
[2343] What's the serious bleeding?
[2344] I think it's about the blood thinning stuff.
[2345] Oh, really?
[2346] Manufactured Prozac recommends, whoops, that you avoid drinking and alcohol while all taking his drug.
[2347] Hey, I don't drink.
[2348] There you go.
[2349] Alcohol can worsen.
[2350] Blah, brup, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[2351] Hey.
[2352] I think I'm good.
[2353] Okay.
[2354] I think I'm good.
[2355] Just don't take my, yeah, girlfriend's blood thinners.
[2356] Does the Prozac make you kind of speedy at all?
[2357] No. I have a really bad anxiety.
[2358] I've had my whole life.
[2359] And it was on Paxil for like 10 years.
[2360] And then I tried to get off of it.
[2361] it like what is paxil what is that one it's like an ant it's just another SSRI yeah yeah and I got off of it like five years ago just weaned off of it and and then like six months later I had the worst panic of my life I basically was dizzy for like three months straight oh boy I had a panic attack at every show just on stage every open mic I'd have open mic or whatever I'd have a panic attack on stage it was awful and I was super dizzy and it was my psychiatrist saying It wasn't even withdrawal.
[2362] This is the same one that gave you the Adderall prescription?
[2363] No, no. No, different one?
[2364] Are you one of those guys that shops around for different psychiatrists?
[2365] Well, that was in Louisville.
[2366] This was in New York.
[2367] After I went to rehab, I was like, maybe I should get a different shrink.
[2368] But he, I had, like, terrible, like, Disney's and I had to get on something else.
[2369] So I got on Prozac, and it helped a little with that.
[2370] Is there anything else that helped other than Prozac?
[2371] Is there any activities that helped?
[2372] I don't have to, like, have my girlfriend, you know, have a bore her.
[2373] with having sex for too long.
[2374] It helped that, you know, because it makes you...
[2375] Well, actually, it keeps you from getting it up.
[2376] Oh.
[2377] But I don't have that problem, so it's okay.
[2378] So the Paxil was helping you in a different way than the Prozac is?
[2379] I think it was the same thing.
[2380] I just didn't want to go back on Paxil because Paxil had a lot of weight gain.
[2381] Oh.
[2382] So I went on Prozac and then gained the weight anyway.
[2383] And what was the difference in the way you felt on Paxil versus on Prozac?
[2384] Both of them make...
[2385] honestly made me feel kind of like the same, which is just like a somewhat anxious person.
[2386] The problem was when I was on Paxil, I thought I didn't need it.
[2387] But the reason I thought I didn't need it is because I was on it.
[2388] You know what I mean?
[2389] That's the problem with people get off antidepressants.
[2390] They're like, well, I don't need it.
[2391] That's because it's working.
[2392] So unless there's like a problem, I don't know, when I got off of it, it was like a nightmare that anxiety I had.
[2393] It was like truly like, especially having panic attacks on stage.
[2394] Jesus.
[2395] It's so shitty because we all get anxiety, but usually I'd come to believe that anxiety leaves you once you get on stage like it's a comfort zone and I had lost that for a long time I had panic like all throughout a set you know yeah it was awful was there anything else that you tried that helped that at all I try you know I try to meditate did that do anything it helps a little honestly the thing that helped the most was panic attacks on stage was just continuing to have them to the point where you notice it doesn't doesn't destroy the world.
[2396] Right.
[2397] Because I would actually still do okay on stage.
[2398] Actually, people wouldn't really notice.
[2399] Like, I'd go off after, like, that was horrible.
[2400] They're like, I don't even notice, you know?
[2401] Which makes you feel more alone, by the way.
[2402] The fact that you can have this hell in your head and no one notices.
[2403] And when you were doing this, whether sometimes you didn't have the hell in your head, or did it happen every time?
[2404] I think it happened for those three months, like, almost every time.
[2405] I mean, sometimes maybe not.
[2406] Or if I was doing a long set, like an hour, maybe it would go away after a while.
[2407] But I honestly think just having them and then realizing it's not a big deal that you can still do the show, that made it go away.
[2408] Because I think the worst thing you can do is anxiety is like run away from it.
[2409] Like if you're anxious when you go outside, the worst thing you can do is just not go aside because then it like builds.
[2410] So having, if anyone has panic attacks on stage, just continuing to have them and letting your brain know that, it's not a big deal that it's not going to destroy you, then it starts to go away.
[2411] Wow.
[2412] So now, you know, I'm back to not really having them on stage.
[2413] But, yeah, it was tough.
[2414] Like, getting off medication was, like, a harsh show.
[2415] I mean, I kind of wish I was never on it to begin with, you know.
[2416] Do you wish you were on Prozac to begin with?
[2417] Or do you think that, like, did something about taking the anti -anxiety medication accentuate it when you got off it?
[2418] Accentuate the - Yeah, like the anxiety.
[2419] Did you have the same level of anxiety before?
[2420] before you did Paxil that you had when you got off of it?
[2421] I think it was more like, I mean, it's all a mystery, I guess, why exactly?
[2422] But I think it was more like all this anxiety.
[2423] It was this giant wave of anxiety that I just happened to have in my life.
[2424] I'd just come out with a special and I was feeling this like, I had this urge to just like create more stuff and like just, you know that feeling you have where you just want to get out as much stuff because you're afraid you're going to die?
[2425] I had that urge kind of, big.
[2426] I was like, I got to do the next thing and the next thing.
[2427] And then actually, the way it started, I was at my brother's place, and I looked in the mirror and I saw these moles on my back, and I was just convinced they were skin cancer.
[2428] That's how it began.
[2429] And not like, I always had hypochondria, but this was different.
[2430] This was like, I knew I was going to die.
[2431] And then I went to the doctor, and they were like, it doesn't look like skin cancer.
[2432] And then the next day I stood up and was dizzy, and was dizzy for like three months straight.
[2433] Jesus Christ.
[2434] Yeah, I think it was a wave of anxiety just where I was life, but for the first time in 10 years, I didn't have something to mask it, which I think made it more intense.
[2435] You know what I mean?
[2436] How long were you off it for?
[2437] About like four months, and then I slowly got on Prozac, maybe a little more.
[2438] So four months of hell.
[2439] Yeah, it was awful.
[2440] And it was just like, yeah, it was awful.
[2441] So did you have that level of anxiety when you were younger?
[2442] When I was really young, I'd have these really bad screaming fits, like when I was like eight or nine, I would just suddenly have these moments where I was like, I don't know, this moment of just feeling hopeless or something, I just started yelling, and my parents never knew what it was.
[2443] I actually would cut myself a couple times, like, on the leg just to, like, distract it.
[2444] Oh, wow.
[2445] And I had those, and I didn't know what it was, and then in college, I also started doing cocaine, which didn't help, and then I had some, like, really bad kind of anxiety in college, and that's when I went on Paxhill originally, you know?
[2446] Hmm.
[2447] But, no, I've always had, like, really bad anxiety.
[2448] Damn.
[2449] Do you have anxiety?
[2450] No. That is so funny after this log thing.
[2451] No, I mean, we all.
[2452] You're like, no. I can get it sometimes.
[2453] I could talk myself into it.
[2454] I could talk myself out of it.
[2455] Yeah.
[2456] I get anxiety about existential threats.
[2457] Like, I get anxiety about war, sometimes, like, late at night.
[2458] I get anxiety about, like, the more I read about history.
[2459] Yeah.
[2460] The more I understand, you know, how many times in history, society was, everything was great and everything was fine.
[2461] And then all of a sudden some terrible event took place.
[2462] And then we went back to, like, the Stone Age.
[2463] Right, right.
[2464] And that this is an imminent threat to life that we look at the goings -on in the world as if it's like some plot in a television show that we're watching.
[2465] You're watching what's happening in Ukraine.
[2466] You're watching what's happening in Gaza and you're watching what's happening in Iran.
[2467] And you're watching all this crazy shit And it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you But it's late at night when everyone's asleep That's when it gets me Right, all the horrors of everything I started thinking That this this ridiculous life that we live And all the stupid societal conflicts that we have That are mostly meaningless and nonsense And that they're accentuated constantly in the news All the while real people are dying and like drone suicide bombs.
[2468] You can watch them on YouTube.
[2469] Well, we're just having like culture war arguments.
[2470] Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many people die on Instagram reels.
[2471] So many people get blown up by missiles and blown up by drones and suicide drones, slamming into people and detonating them.
[2472] I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was, but he wore a suicide vest.
[2473] They tried to stop them and these guys run and they grab them.
[2474] and they all explode.
[2475] They're trying to stop them from pulling the vet.
[2476] And this bomb goes off.
[2477] And you see just parts of people flying.
[2478] And you're like, fuck, man. This is all happening in the world right now.
[2479] It's just not happening right here.
[2480] You're watching it.
[2481] You're like, for some reason, I'm really anxious right now.
[2482] Yeah, I get freaked out.
[2483] And I start thinking about just how fragile our civilization really is.
[2484] Yeah.
[2485] Oh, yeah.
[2486] It's completely fragile.
[2487] I mean, it's.
[2488] And we're so soft.
[2489] We're so accustomed to living this way.
[2490] We're so like when the power went off earlier When we're doing this podcast What do we do?
[2491] We wait for it to come back on Yeah Yeah What if it doesn't come back on?
[2492] I used to have a bit about that Like when the dumb people out fuck The smart people And the power just goes off And no one has any idea How to turn it back on again Like what do you do?
[2493] Somebody does it They do it And what if that guy's dead?
[2494] Like do we know And when do we know How long afterward do we figure out The power's not coming back Right, it's crazy The world is just functioning Off of just this No one's really Running the ship It's just a collective thing of functioning.
[2495] And we're connected by the most fragile thing we have, which is the power grid and our computer infrastructure.
[2496] All of it can be wiped out in one solar flare.
[2497] And we take it so much for granted.
[2498] Yeah.
[2499] It's the only reason why we're alive.
[2500] It's 100 degrees outside and I have a hoodie on.
[2501] Right.
[2502] I'm super comfortable in here.
[2503] We have air conditioning.
[2504] We're fine.
[2505] We're not dying of heat exhaustion.
[2506] We're not out there dehydrating to death.
[2507] We know where the water is.
[2508] It's like we've ignored the fact that nature can be a threat.
[2509] And we're just so vulnerable.
[2510] And we're just so vulnerable.
[2511] We're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is.
[2512] Like, think about what we've been talking about today.
[2513] Like, if you go back and watch films from like the 1930s and how horrific people treat each other.
[2514] And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other and we interact with each other and we demand more.
[2515] And there's going to be overcompensation and it's going to, things are going to go back and forth.
[2516] generally it's moving in the right direction but that's only because all of our needs are met and because there's electricity you can go back at any time yeah so electricity is the thing that changed everything when you can stay cool and stay warm you can live in places you shouldn't be living yeah and then we just be a hellhole to live in without any cities would be at all cities would be a hellhole yeah there's no food no one's growing food how do you eat well as soon as truck stop coming in everyone's fucked yeah there's no food you have enough food for like a few hours of everybody eating and then that's it yeah the gaza stuff is awful it's horrified it's created such a you know i'm jewish obviously if you can't tell i think you brought that up it's it's it's it's been such a complicated horrible thing and it's just it's just horrible all around it is complicated and horrible and it's also complicated when you see so much anti -semitism like open anti -semitism about all jews as if there's like this cabal of evil people that are pulling the strings.
[2517] I know.
[2518] I've posted, you know, I think, I hate Netanyahu.
[2519] I hate the Israeli government.
[2520] I think both Gaza and Israel have been taken over by extremists, you know.
[2521] Right.
[2522] But I've posted concern for anti -Semitism, and I've been, like, attacked by people.
[2523] Like, how can you be worried about that when people are dying in Gaza?
[2524] And I'm like, there's two different things.
[2525] Yeah, they're both real.
[2526] Yeah, they're both real.
[2527] And I have a right to be concerned.
[2528] Jews have a right to be a little nervy.
[2529] Yeah.
[2530] So the shit went down.
[2531] I don't know if you remember.
[2532] Yeah, we have a right to get cautious, you know.
[2533] But it's also, that's one of the things that, I forget who was talking to us about this.
[2534] It might have been Jordan Peterson, but it was somebody, when they were saying that it's one of the hallmarks of a civilization's decline, they start blaming things on the Jews.
[2535] It is.
[2536] It's really common.
[2537] Yeah.
[2538] Yeah, yeah, I know.
[2539] Because Jews stick together and, you know, it's a very difficult club to get into, you know.
[2540] Well, I think what people have done, too, is there are a lot of, there is an extremist faction in Israel who are, like, awful.
[2541] Which, by the way, was being protested for months on end.
[2542] before October 2nd.
[2543] And what people aren't doing, they're not giving Israel the benefit of a conflicted soul.
[2544] And a lot of the anti -Zionist propaganda is making you think all of Israel is like that.
[2545] Exactly.
[2546] But it's no different than another country, like America.
[2547] It's a conflicted place.
[2548] There are extremists, and some of them are awful.
[2549] And Nizu Now, who has put a lot of them in his government, made a coalition with them.
[2550] But there's also people who want peace, people who want Palestinian self -determination.
[2551] Like all human beings.
[2552] It's everywhere in the world.
[2553] There's good people.
[2554] It's like if you hated Trump, but then you assume when he was president, everyone in America supported Trump, right?
[2555] Right.
[2556] If you thought that.
[2557] It's like, it's very dehumanizing to think, like, all of Israel is like just.
[2558] In support of the genocide in Gaza.
[2559] Right, and then you see polls, 65 % of people say it's okay to rape Palestinian prisoners.
[2560] Who did you talk to?
[2561] Who did you talk to 65 % of who?
[2562] Who the fuck is answering that poll?
[2563] Hey, let me ask you a couple questions about rape.
[2564] Who the fuck is answering that?
[2565] What are you talking about raping prisoners?
[2566] I'm all in.
[2567] By the way, I'm on my way to work.
[2568] I got to go.
[2569] Well, yeah.
[2570] There's also, like, there's obviously a lot of horrible shit that Israel is done, but a lot of people go beyond that and make it, it's not just, like, it's fine to be like they don't put civilians in, like, they don't think about civilians.
[2571] I understand that as a critique, but a lot of people want to make it look like they're, like, going out of their way to just only kill civilians.
[2572] They have a goal.
[2573] It might be bad and reckless.
[2574] Yeah, but there's been things like.
[2575] the killing of the aid workers, you know, like the Jose Andresi's people, which is like, seems like they were targeted.
[2576] I don't know.
[2577] It's hard to believe the purpose for that, the targeted.
[2578] To keep people from getting food to the Gaza refugees.
[2579] Yeah, I don't know.
[2580] I don't like.
[2581] I don't have a position.
[2582] Yeah, yeah.
[2583] I don't know.
[2584] I'm just saying that that's the accusation is that they knew who those people were.
[2585] I think Israel, I think I don't, it's hard for me to believe that that's where they're, I do think they want to get rid of Hamas.
[2586] I think a lot of people have died.
[2587] It's awful, and I don't think it's worth it all this at all.
[2588] But I don't think they're like...
[2589] You don't think that some people have a dehumanization way of looking at Palestinians?
[2590] Yeah, for sure, definitely.
[2591] Yeah, I think that's what you're looking at.
[2592] When you're seeing soldiers rape Palestinian prisoners, you've seen that video?
[2593] Yeah, no, that camp is awful.
[2594] It's awful, truly a nightmare.
[2595] Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person the other.
[2596] You've got a giant problem.
[2597] And that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people.
[2598] It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9 -11.
[2599] 9 -11, we were, the whole world was on our side.
[2600] Yeah.
[2601] Everybody wanted America to prosper.
[2602] We can't believe America was attacked.
[2603] America, this shining beacon of democracy and self -government.
[2604] Like, no, not America.
[2605] And then what do we do?
[2606] We invade Iraq.
[2607] Right.
[2608] And we kill a million people wind up dying because of our invasion, they think.
[2609] And then you think about the weapons of mass destruction hosts.
[2610] It was all bullshit.
[2611] Right.
[2612] It was paraded in the media.
[2613] So it's like that.
[2614] It's like our overreaction was so horrific.
[2615] Then everybody hated America.
[2616] I agree with that.
[2617] I do think what Hamas did was so horrific.
[2618] And they said they're going to keep doing it.
[2619] It did plant these seeds of hate in Israelis that.
[2620] No doubt.
[2621] I'm in the position we're like, obviously this war is terrible.
[2622] I don't think it should have happened.
[2623] But I also think it's a lot to ask people to have something so horrific happen and not them kind of retaliate, though I'm against it.
[2624] If that makes sense.
[2625] I know what you're saying, that people would retaliate.
[2626] It's the way they're retaliating and the scale of it, which is horrific to people.
[2627] But I also, yeah.
[2628] I mean, I think there's dehumanization on both sides.
[2629] For sure.
[2630] Well, the only way you can do October 7th is dehumanization.
[2631] Of course.
[2632] And I do think people on both sides have tried to.
[2633] to mean the other, or trivialize the other person's accountability.
[2634] I know.
[2635] It's crazy.
[2636] And also people pretending as if they know what actually happened and what the stats are.
[2637] They didn't do that.
[2638] They didn't do this.
[2639] Are you on the ground?
[2640] That's the human, to me saying like there's no rape then is like dehumanization.
[2641] All of it is crazy.
[2642] Like you don't fucking know what's actually going on.
[2643] And there's a lot of misinformation that's even printed in mainstream media like the bombing of the hospital.
[2644] There's a lot of shit that happened.
[2645] That was front page of the New York Times.
[2646] There's a lot of shit that happens in the fog of war that people want to know the answer right away.
[2647] And you, I know it's upset hard, but you have to wait sometimes.
[2648] Like the fog of war, you're not going to always have the answer right away.
[2649] I mean, I'm not saying Israel isn't culpable of a lot of things, but you do have to wait.
[2650] I see people sharing information that's not verified all the time that just came out where you're like, you don't.
[2651] Well, that's the hospital bombing.
[2652] Yeah, exactly.
[2653] That's exactly what that is.
[2654] I mean, that made it all the way into newspapers.
[2655] Exactly.
[2656] I mean, I think, like, Nittgenyahu created a coalition with some really awful.
[2657] people like Smotrick and Ben -Gavir, there are like really Jewish supremacists, real thugs.
[2658] And I think a lot of anti -Zionists have tried to convince everyone that all of Israel is like that.
[2659] And I just think, yeah, there needs to be less dehumanization and just seeing like, yeah, suffering in God's is horrible, it needs to stop.
[2660] And also, like, not every Israeli is part of some evil Zionist, whatever, conspiracy.
[2661] That's its own inverted form of anti -Semitism.
[2662] Well, Netanyahu is this super pro -military guy.
[2663] I mean, he was a special forces guy.
[2664] Yeah, and he's corrupt and he has charges against him that he's trying to weaken the government to prevent from coming through.
[2665] And he made a coalition with two people who are truly awful, awful people.
[2666] And that is really almost, these people want a theocracy in Israel.
[2667] You know, they want, but that's not all of Israel.
[2668] People have protested against that.
[2669] So that's my fear when I'm up in the middle of the night, that this kind of shit is going on, that any minute it could pop off and become a nuclear war.
[2670] I mean, that's a legitimate fear.
[2671] I don't know if that's anxiety.
[2672] Whatever it is, that's, if you ask me if I get anxiety, that's my anxiety.
[2673] No, I can totally see that.
[2674] When I get really freaked out, that's what freaks me out.
[2675] What freaks me out is that it could pop off at any minute, and then all of a sudden it's September 12th, you know?
[2676] Yeah.
[2677] But way bigger, way crazy, way scarier.
[2678] Way scarier.
[2679] And that hasn't happened since 1945, so we assume that it's not going to happen again.
[2680] Yeah, we had 20 good years, and now we think everything.
[2681] We had like some good time in the 80s, and now we're like, yeah, it can never go back.
[2682] Oh, dude.
[2683] When the wall fell down, it was amazing.
[2684] There was like a weight lifted off of America.
[2685] Like, everybody's like, oh, the Soviet Union's gone.
[2686] We don't have to worry about a nuclear war with Russia anymore.
[2687] And now it's China and Iran and fucking this and that.
[2688] Oh, my God.
[2689] It is like most periods of history People had kind of a shitty life And a volatile period of history We really like Up till like I guess After Vietnam And maybe to the you know now Until the last till everything's kind of falling apart now Like it was kind of smooth ceiling I guess for a little bit But like as long as you're in America Yeah it's not smooth ceiling People are like the 90s were great Rwanda You were not smooth feeling It was a lot of places where it sucked bad Well that's the other thing Yeah it's never It's been shitty for It's always shitty for someone.
[2690] That's the thing is we're not used to it happening right here.
[2691] We're very spoiled.
[2692] Oh, we're so spoiled.
[2693] Like the Russians are so much more used to it than us.
[2694] They lost so many people during World War II.
[2695] Oh, yeah, like $20 million?
[2696] Well, I was reading this thing about France.
[2697] This is so crazy that during World War I, France lost 25 % of its fighting age men.
[2698] And then during World War II, they lost another 25%.
[2699] It's insane.
[2700] Like your life...
[2701] What the fuck, man. Well, that's the thing.
[2702] Life was so cheap.
[2703] And now we feel like life is kind of expensive.
[2704] Now we're like life has value, you know?
[2705] But it's still so cheap for so many people.
[2706] Well, it is in other parts of the world.
[2707] That's the thing.
[2708] It's like we're so used to not being attacked that when something like 9 -11 does happen, like Pearl Harbor happened, it was five hours over the ocean.
[2709] It's the only other time we were attacked.
[2710] Yeah.
[2711] You know, we're so soft.
[2712] We are soft.
[2713] We're soft as baby poo.
[2714] But we're seeing a lot of violence.
[2715] I mean, we see every, you see the guy who shot Trump, you see his head exploded on the roof.
[2716] You see everything.
[2717] What do you even think that was all about?
[2718] a guy trying to shoot Trump.
[2719] I think it was just a guy trying to...
[2720] You don't think he has some help?
[2721] No. No?
[2722] Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?
[2723] Yeah.
[2724] I'm not good with...
[2725] I'm not a big conspiracy.
[2726] So the Bill Hicks joke?
[2727] You don't buy into it?
[2728] I love the joke.
[2729] You love the joke.
[2730] But I'm not a big...
[2731] Have you ever read into that one?
[2732] I read a little, yeah.
[2733] You need to read more.
[2734] That's one you really shouldn't be flipping about.
[2735] They killed that fucking guy.
[2736] But here's the thing with Trump, though.
[2737] Like, why would he need...
[2738] So you thought like Biden's trying to take him out?
[2739] I don't think it was Biden.
[2740] I think it could be a number of people that were involved, but it seems at the very least, like they were so lax in security that they were inviting something to happen.
[2741] At the very least, and knowing that that guy was walking around more than 30 minutes before with a range finder, seeing that guy, he'd come back and forth, he observed him multiple times.
[2742] People were talking about him.
[2743] They were keeping an eye on them, and this guy gets on the roof with a rifle and gets off three shots.
[2744] Well, my thing with a lot of conspiracy theories is it just kind of ignores incompetence.
[2745] I feel like incompetence is a real thing.
[2746] Incompetence is a real theory.
[2747] You know what it's a real thing?
[2748] Conspiracies.
[2749] Those are real, too.
[2750] The problem with dismissing conspiracies as being just a silly conspiracy theories, that was the whole goal of the Warren Commission report.
[2751] And that was when the term conspiracy theory got into the zeitgeist.
[2752] As a pejorative.
[2753] I don't dismiss, and I didn't mean to offend.
[2754] No, you didn't offend.
[2755] No, no, no, no. I don't dismiss, there's a huge amount of corruption and horrible things.
[2756] I just think a lot of times incompetence does play a big part.
[2757] And I do think, like, there is incompetence and there's, like, randomness a lot.
[2758] Some dude had a really good joke about it that he put up on Instagram.
[2759] It was very funny.
[2760] Let's see if I can find it.
[2761] Maybe you can find it, Jamie.
[2762] He said that it was basically like if I thought that.
[2763] they were going to try to an assassination attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it.
[2764] Like, really inefficient.
[2765] Really, he said it was like the DMV of assassination attempts.
[2766] Find this, dude.
[2767] Who sent that to me?
[2768] But, like, but it's also, I mean, I guess for me, it's like, you also have to, like.
[2769] You find it?
[2770] I know, I saw it recently, too.
[2771] I know what you're talking about.
[2772] Fuck, somebody sent it to me. I get too many texts.
[2773] Anything can be real, but I also think the idea that he was a lone shooter is not, that world is not a crazy world.
[2774] The idea that we're in a violent place.
[2775] No, I'm not saying...
[2776] No, I'm not saying that he wasn't a lone shooter.
[2777] I think he was a lone shooter.
[2778] Maybe there was other people shooting on him.
[2779] I think he was trained.
[2780] And I think somebody got him detonators.
[2781] He had sophisticated detonators and explosive devices.
[2782] You're like, lone shooter, betrayed by the movie.
[2783] I think someone talked that guy into doing that.
[2784] I think...
[2785] I don't think someone talked that kind of doing it.
[2786] I think it's possible that someone talked that kind of doing that.
[2787] Yeah, I mean, anything's possible.
[2788] I'm not like dismissing that.
[2789] I just think like he's like a school shooter who got political.
[2790] They took his body away and cremated it 10 days after the assassination.
[2791] No toxicology report.
[2792] No public.
[2793] There's been no press conference about it.
[2794] No telling all the details.
[2795] Here's what we know.
[2796] They went to the kid's house.
[2797] It was professionally scrubbed.
[2798] Didn't have silverware in it.
[2799] Right.
[2800] I don't know.
[2801] There's a phone that was going back and forth because, you know, they have ad data.
[2802] They can track cell phone when they ping.
[2803] There's a phone going back and forth between the offices.
[2804] the FBI in Washington, D .C. in this kid's house on multiple occasions.
[2805] Well, yeah, I don't know about that, but I don't know.
[2806] That's where things get weird, right?
[2807] You'd hate me with my views.
[2808] No, no, no, I wouldn't hate, I didn't think Epstein.
[2809] I would not hate you with your views.
[2810] I'm like the opposite of a conspiracy theory.
[2811] That's interesting.
[2812] So you think Epstein killed himself?
[2813] I'm not saying he definitely killed himself, but I also think it is believable that he is a little depressed at that point.
[2814] Certainly.
[2815] You know what I mean?
[2816] That's what I think.
[2817] I think, like, the possibly, I think the, um, I think the, um, I think the, um, The possibility of it not being a conspiracy is sometimes very, like, plausible to the point where I don't need if you need to go to a conspiracy.
[2818] Like, maybe he got killed, but Epstein was also not in a great place at that point.
[2819] True.
[2820] You know what I mean?
[2821] So I could see that both ways.
[2822] But then you have to look at the autopsy.
[2823] Yeah, yeah.
[2824] You have to look at the ligature marks around the base of his neck, which is not really what happens when you hang yourself.
[2825] When you hang yourself, your weight of your body is what kills you.
[2826] So the ligature marks, the strangulation marks are underneath the chin.
[2827] His was down by his neck, and his neck was actually fractured, which is also indicative of someone getting strangled to death.
[2828] Dr. Michael Badden, who's that forensic scientist that did that show autopsy, remember that show on HBO?
[2829] He examined the autopsy, examined what the results were, and he found that the fractures in the neck were indicative of someone being strangled to death.
[2830] But wasn't there another coroner who said it was like street -third?
[2831] First corner.
[2832] Yeah.
[2833] Yeah.
[2834] Why can't we believe that guy?
[2835] Well, it seems very convenient that the cameras went out.
[2836] Yeah.
[2837] It seems very convenient that the people that were on security were sleep.
[2838] It seems very convenient.
[2839] All of it seems convenient.
[2840] Yeah, no, I'm not saying he didn't get killed.
[2841] Seems convenient the most high -profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia would probably want to take that guy out.
[2842] But also, a narcissist who's going to be about to be the most hated person in the world could also, I could see him killing himself.
[2843] Sure.
[2844] I'm just saying, I'm not saying he didn't kill.
[2845] He could have killed himself.
[2846] I mean, he could have been killed.
[2847] So how long have you been working for the government?
[2848] I hate me now.
[2849] I don't hate you.
[2850] I'm not a big, yeah.
[2851] I think Oswald acted alone.
[2852] I don't know.
[2853] I'm a believer in incompetence in that everyone is, most people are bad at their job.
[2854] Did you ever watch this is a puriter film?
[2855] Yeah.
[2856] The film of Kennedy's head going back into the left?
[2857] Of course.
[2858] How do you think that happens when you get shot from behind?
[2859] What do you mean?
[2860] His head goes back into the left, like you got shot from the front?
[2861] I don't know.
[2862] You never see?
[2863] That was a Hicks bit.
[2864] I've seen that, yeah.
[2865] Back into the left.
[2866] But I also think they've tried so long to find the conspiracy for that, and it always kind of guns to their dead end.
[2867] I don't know.
[2868] I think what Oswald did was.
[2869] I like the way you think, you know, you don't want to think about it this way.
[2870] I like it.
[2871] I like what you're saying.
[2872] Well, to me, I think a lot of conspiracy theorists think like the other person.
[2873] like I'm naive, right?
[2874] But I think it's the opposite.
[2875] I think, like, it sometimes can be naive to think someone, there's someone masterminding everything.
[2876] Right.
[2877] Like, to me, I think, like, and I don't know all the evidence, I'm sure there's all these reports and stuff, but, like, to me, I think, like, sometimes crazy shit happens, and when you look at it backwards, it doesn't, yeah, it's crazy that he shot someone from that far and it worked, you know what I mean?
[2878] That's true.
[2879] But it's also crazy shit happens, and we also have never seen, a lot of times stuff happens where we've never seen that, like 9 -11.
[2880] We never had two planes hit a building, but you immediately had people being like, buildings don't fall like that.
[2881] It's like, this is the first time it's happened.
[2882] That's true.
[2883] So it's like, we don't always know, like, it's a lot of times something happening that's crazy, but also like never happened before that people are like, that's not how it happens.
[2884] But it's like, how do you know?
[2885] That's true.
[2886] Like planes flying into the buildings, especially buildings that are that tall.
[2887] That's all true.
[2888] And I do think, you know, I've read about, you know, it was 9 -11, there was so much incompetence as a government, a lack of communication between the FBI and the CIA.
[2889] You know, and I'm a firm, I'm not saying some conspiracies aren't true, definitely, and there's a lot of corruption, but I'm just a firm believer in incompetence.
[2890] Incompetence is real, but conspiracies are too.
[2891] Some conspiracies are real, yeah.
[2892] The Lee Harvey Oswald one, when you look into it, it's pretty nutty.
[2893] Yeah.
[2894] It's pretty nutty, you know.
[2895] A lot of people heard shots from the grassy knoll, the amount of people that were eyewitnesses that died in mysterious ways is extraordinary, like off the charts, odds, like that don't make any sense.
[2896] But I also do think sometimes the brain finds patterns that aren't always...
[2897] Sure, and also people kill people.
[2898] Yeah, yeah, yeah, both.
[2899] The thing about the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of evidence that points to the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion that there was a lone gunman despite the evidence.
[2900] And one of those is the magic bullet theory.
[2901] The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for cocoa buffs.
[2902] That shit would never fly today.
[2903] What is it?
[2904] The bullet went through and then came back around.
[2905] He went through Kennedy and then into Connolly and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney.
[2906] and then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds because they had to because there was only three shots, supposedly.
[2907] And in those three shots that Oswald was able to get off, they knew one of them hit the back, and they knew one of them was hit Connolly, and one of them blew up his head.
[2908] Well, they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries, but then a guy got hit with a ricochet and the underpass, so they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target and hitting the whatever it is, granite curbstone, and banging into this guy's face and the guy had to go to the hospital.
[2909] They found the curbstone that had been hit with a bullet, and so they knew that a ricochet had hit there.
[2910] So now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds.
[2911] And so instead of saying, hey, maybe there's more than one person shooting, maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository.
[2912] All these people said there were shots coming from the grassy knoll.
[2913] Maybe they were telling the truth.
[2914] Instead of that, they said, no, no, no, no, no. One bullet went crazy and went, oh, and look, we found it.
[2915] Here's the bullet.
[2916] All good.
[2917] And look at the bullet.
[2918] All right.
[2919] I'll give you Oswald if you give me the Trump shooter.
[2920] That bullet supposedly went through two people and they found it in that condition on a gurney.
[2921] If you've ever shot anything with a bullet, you know that's straight horse shit.
[2922] That's not deformed at all.
[2923] That's shattered bones.
[2924] That's nonsense.
[2925] But what is the answer?
[2926] I feel like there's so many answers about what happened, right?
[2927] Well, if you read the Warren Commission report and fucking nobody has, that's also there's different, like see the hole in his neck.
[2928] It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck.
[2929] but in the first autopsy report that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound and then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland then they said it was a tracheotomy hole.
[2930] There's like a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren Commission report and if you want to go crazy read a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton who was an accountant who read the entire Warren Commission, went over it and found all these inconsistencies and said they were just trying to come to this one conclusion and he didn't buy it.
[2931] But I'll check it out But also, like, there can be inconsistencies are also part of incompetence or not communicating as well, can't it?
[2932] Inconsistencies, yeah, but these seem like.
[2933] I mean, like, people having different reports that don't.
[2934] Or even him try to force something.
[2935] Like, I mean, like, I just think sometimes, like, the thing has to be, like, nothing's perfect.
[2936] And there is, like, a lot of, like, like.
[2937] I also don't think Lee Harvey Oswald acted.
[2938] I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it.
[2939] Yeah.
[2940] I don't think he acted alone.
[2941] You think it was like the CIA?
[2942] I think he was the guy that they were pinning it on.
[2943] Well, he was definitely active with the CIA.
[2944] He'd gone over to Russia.
[2945] He'd married a Russian woman and came back to America.
[2946] I was doing a lot of weird communist shit.
[2947] He was involved in a lot of weird stuff that seemed to indicate that he was some sort of intelligence agent.
[2948] Or at least a patsy, a guy that could pin this on, which is probably what they wanted to do.
[2949] Yeah, I'm not denying it that it could happen.
[2950] I guess that it's a possibility.
[2951] I guess for me it's just like usually when there is something a conspiracy, it does get found out.
[2952] Yeah, but there's concrete evidence.
[2953] There was no internet back then, and they didn't even see the Zapruder film until 12.
[2954] years later.
[2955] This is a prudder film.
[2956] Nobody even saw it until it was on the Geraldo Rivera show in 1975 when Dick Gregory brought it on.
[2957] So you know what I read in the Seamer?
[2958] What's his name?
[2959] He did a book about Camelot.
[2960] That apparently Kennedy was fucking someone at the pool and pulled his groin.
[2961] Have you read this two days beforehand?
[2962] And he had like a back brace on.
[2963] And when he got shot, because he got shot twice, right?
[2964] He got shot, well, yeah, at least twice.
[2965] They think three times.
[2966] They think that's one through the back, one through the neck and one in the head.
[2967] But I heard they said like because of the back brace when he got shot the first time it didn't push him over so it's kind of like a sitting duck have you heard that no but that makes it kind of makes sense so like the back brace almost kept him up with the shot well yeah he was all fucked up he had a lot of like real physical problems he was in constant pain and he was also a guy that was getting treatment from dr field good yeah that's where dr field good came from my psychiatrist yeah real similar like this one doctor and I think a lot of that was meth as well it was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck setting him up for the kill shot.
[2968] The brace was firm.
[2969] So this is also this is not the back shot either.
[2970] There was a shot in the neck that again the initial autopsy said was an entrance wound.
[2971] Yeah, that makes sense.
[2972] Tightly laced.
[2973] Yeah.
[2974] Makes sense that it kept him stiff.
[2975] He was all fucked up though.
[2976] He had like yeah, see portrait of pain.
[2977] See, he had like some real serious problems, numerous back surgeries.
[2978] So they hid, it's hard to hide news photos of him walking on crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgery.
[2979] It was until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning 1955 to 1963 and 1963, the specifics began to emerge.
[2980] Peyton is co -author, neurosurgeon and Dr. Justin Dowdy poured over Dalek's subsequent book, numerous other biographies in and scores of documents and x -rays at the JFK library in Boston to prepare their paper.
[2981] So I was taken aback by the depths of Kennedy's pain.
[2982] He said how long he dealt with the pain despite his short life, how it affected his life.
[2983] I was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries.
[2984] So I wonder what back surgeries were they doing in 1963?
[2985] Good Lord.
[2986] He's got to be brutal.
[2987] He had scarlet fever at age two, spent his teenage years in and out of hospitals with abdominal and joint pain, food -like symptoms and extreme weight loss.
[2988] age 15 he weighed a mere 117 pounds by the next year worried he might have leukemia doctors began regularly checking his blood cancer so he was all fucked up man so he was a sick dude but so like sometimes I think there's like colitis different explanations that like aren't that sexy like here's not sexy look at this yesterday I went through the most harassing experience in my life an iron tube 12 inches long and one inch diameter up my ass my poor bedrock Ragged rectum.
[2989] Oh, my God, is looking at me very reproachfully these days.
[2990] Oh, my God.
[2991] He was great with words.
[2992] Bro, he was fucked up.
[2993] He could have been a comic.
[2994] Jesus Christ.
[2995] So he got a football game, got tackled from the side, possibly damaging a spinal disc, again, regularly using a corset brace to stabilize his spine and control his discomfort.
[2996] So, yeah, he was all fucked up.
[2997] But it's like there's things, like when things don't make sense, there are sometimes an explanation that's like kind of like, almost boring or random.
[2998] It's like the thing what's the Pruder.
[2999] I think it's just a pruder person puts the umbrella up.
[3000] Is that it in the Pruder?
[3001] There's a guy who has an umbrella up and it's not raining.
[3002] And for years they thought he might have been involved like signaling.
[3003] And they finally find the guy.
[3004] They bring him in front of everyone and he's like, I'm British and in England it's a real fuck you when you like raise your umbrella when a car is driving by and he hated Kennedy.
[3005] So he was just doing a fuck you but then for years people were like oh that was part of the signal.
[3006] I just think I mean, I'm not saying some conspiracies aren't true.
[3007] I just think there's sometimes other reasons that get lost.
[3008] Yeah, for sure.
[3009] Certainly people look for things that aren't there.
[3010] Right.
[3011] I've read conspiracies about me. And I'm like, this is hilarious.
[3012] Well, you know they're not true.
[3013] But it's weird when you read them about you.
[3014] You're like, oh, this is how this works.
[3015] People just make shit up and they just run with it.
[3016] What's the one about you?
[3017] Oh, just nonsense being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati, all kinds of stupid shit.
[3018] throwing people off your trail by being into conspiracy theories so people don't realize you're part of the CIA?
[3019] Well, they just want to think you're controlled.
[3020] They want us to think that at a certain point, someone comes to you and you get controlled.
[3021] But that's not real.
[3022] No. The reality is no one's in control.
[3023] That's the darkest reality is M .K. Ultra was real, and they really were trying to teach people how to kill people.
[3024] And they did it with Charlie Manson.
[3025] No, yeah, yeah.
[3026] I mean, there's definitely real horrible, fucked up shit.
[3027] I'm not saying that.
[3028] I'm not saying there's not fucked up horrible shit.
[3029] But I do think no one's really steering the ship, and that's like the really scary thing.
[3030] Right.
[3031] I think our idea is that there's this one group of people that all agree with each other.
[3032] That's, I don't think that's real.
[3033] I think there's competing factions even at the top levels.
[3034] I think they're always battling with each other.
[3035] Yes.
[3036] Look, the people in the Navy sometimes don't like the people in the Army.
[3037] You know what I mean?
[3038] Exactly.
[3039] Like this is the CIA and the FBI.
[3040] The CIA not communicate with the FBI.
[3041] Yeah, that's 100 % real.
[3042] And that's why when people look at all of Israelis, not to bring it back to that like a Zionist conspiracy, you're now doing that.
[3043] You're believing in this collective thing when really there's so many different types of Israelis.
[3044] There's extremists.
[3045] There's racist.
[3046] And there's peace mix.
[3047] There's people who believe in peace.
[3048] Exactly.
[3049] I think you always have to be wary of like thinking everything's monolithic.
[3050] Absolutely.
[3051] And I feel like that about the intelligence agencies as well.
[3052] I feel like, yeah, you want the CIA.
[3053] You want someone who's paying attention to terrorist plots.
[3054] Of course.
[3055] You want them.
[3056] You want the FBI.
[3057] to be able to investigate when someone's done something horrible.
[3058] You want those things.
[3059] You just don't want them out of control.
[3060] And the problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely.
[3061] And when some people get into certain positions of power, they use whatever means necessary to maintain it.
[3062] I mean, the Nazis had the ultimate conspiracy when they invaded Poland.
[3063] They, like, killed a bunch of their own, like, prisoner wars and had them dressed as Polish, like, soldiers and, like, concocted a whole fake attack by Poland.
[3064] Of course.
[3065] I mean, it's the ultimate conspiracy.
[3066] Hitler burned the Reichstag.
[3067] You actually never know who did it No?
[3068] Well, some people actually do think it was the Marxists But we don't actually know for sure, yeah I thought it was just generally assumed that it was Hitler I think there's still some mystery I think some people There was one guy who they say Might have lit the fire I forget what his name I read this in a book but like Hitler definitely jumped on it Right immediately Well it was a time old tactic I mean Nero burned Rome I don't he might have But I think there's still some mystery about what Because some people think it might have been someone else But then he just kind of jumped on it You mean Hitler or Nero?
[3069] Hitler.
[3070] Nero, you know what else Nero did?
[3071] When his wife died, he found some slave boy that looked like his wife and had her castrated and paraded her around as his wife.
[3072] Did he fuck the kid?
[3073] I don't know what he did.
[3074] Probably did.
[3075] I mean, imagine he decided you're going to be my wife now.
[3076] I'm going to chop your dick off and bring you out in public.
[3077] Whoa.
[3078] Back then he's probably excited.
[3079] I believe the kid killed himself a couple years later.
[3080] Yeah.
[3081] See if you can find that story.
[3082] is a crazy story.
[3083] He found some slave boy that looked like his wife.
[3084] And so, you know, back then, you're looking at him at the fucking, on the balcony.
[3085] You're one of the peasants in the street.
[3086] Nobody knew.
[3087] Yeah, he was his wife anymore.
[3088] Like, he didn't want anybody know his wife died, so he decided to make this fucking, this slave boy look like his wife.
[3089] Can you find a woman who looked like his wife?
[3090] I don't know.
[3091] He was out of his fucking.
[3092] Look, this is Nero, dude.
[3093] This dude was out of his fucking mind.
[3094] I actually don't know much about Nero.
[3095] Sporris was a young son.
[3096] slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his empress under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 C .E. allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife, Popeia Sabina, who had died the previous year.
[3097] Ancient historians generally portray this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination.
[3098] How do you say that name?
[3099] Sotonius.
[3100] Sotonius places his account in the Neurosporous relationship in his scandalous accounts of neurosexual aberrations between his raping a Vestal Virgin and committing incest with his mother.
[3101] Some think Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the guilty fed he felt for allegedly kicking his pregnant wife Pompeia to death.
[3102] At least you, hopefully he was really, really sorry.
[3103] Jesus Christ, Dio Cassios, in a more detailed account, writes that spores born an uncanny resemblance to Bopoea and that Nero called spores by her name.
[3104] Oh my God.
[3105] That's insane.
[3106] Oh, my God.
[3107] Wow.
[3108] I should make a movie about that kid.
[3109] Oh, look at this.
[3110] Scholars have deduced that spores was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started, considering it to be derived from the Greek word spores meaning seed or semen, which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration.
[3111] What the fuck, dude?
[3112] Oh my God How crazy is How crazy was that guy?
[3113] They should make a movie about that kid That'd be a good movie From the kids perspective You do like dark things That'd be a good movie That's the darkest First he has to accept that he may have some girly features And he has to Bro You can make it a rom -com But it's just like What was society like back then Because they all had sex with kids Fucked a lot of kids Fucked a lot of kids It was normal for, like, an intellectual to have a young boy that he would fuck.
[3114] I think it was gay to fuck your wife.
[3115] I think people would be like, I'm going home to my wife.
[3116] They're like, what are you gay?
[3117] Go fuck a little boy like us.
[3118] It was like, it was like a gay thing to fuck your wife.
[3119] Yeah, it was in fucking kids was like fashion.
[3120] And also, how about the Spartans?
[3121] The greatest warriors ever.
[3122] They all fucked each other.
[3123] Yeah, they were, Greeks were like very tough and very not homophobic.
[3124] They didn't care who they fucked.
[3125] They were just fucking.
[3126] But that was a part of masculinity.
[3127] Like, fucking a guy was masculine.
[3128] Like, you were like, I'm tough, I fight, I fuck guy.
[3129] Imagine if that kept going, and guys were just fucking guys today.
[3130] Well, in the Nazis, where was the guy who was gay, Eric, I mean, what was his name, General Romer or whatever his name was, the one part of the original essay that they killed in the night of the Long Knives.
[3131] Oh, really?
[3132] He was gay, and he was toughest as they came.
[3133] And he was a bunch of gay people in his division, yeah.
[3134] Well, that's the ideal of the Spartans was that you would fight for your lover much harder than you would fight for a friend.
[3135] So like this man, yeah, this man beside you, not only is he your, you know, he's with you in this war.
[3136] He's a fellow soldier, but he's also your lover.
[3137] So are you saying, I was thinking they wanted to fuck each other.
[3138] Is it more like the general was like, I need you all to fuck each other?
[3139] I think they wanted to fuck each other too.
[3140] They wanted to fuck each other too.
[3141] I think they just got used to fucking guys.
[3142] I think it's probably one of those Like guys are so gross That's the thing about prison right There's no women around We just fuck each other I'm reading further into the spores thing It gets a little weirder Yeah I mean He was already married to someone else After his wife died Oh Satilina Messalina And then later married Sporos that year Who said to bear Remarko resembles to Pompeia But then He took Spores to Greece And then back to Rome making Calvia Caspinilia serve as as mistress of wardrobe to Sporris Nero then Nero had earlier married another freedman Pythagoras who had played the role of Nero's husband Now Sporus played the role of Nero's wife What?
[3143] Yeah I mean It was just wild Nero died before Sporris died too Oh my God He was just wild And then Sporus went to somebody else As a wife still?
[3144] And Papaya was married to this person before Nero got her, and Nero made them get divorced, took Pappaya, apparently killed her, and then Sporus went back to this guy.
[3145] Whoa.
[3146] Nymphidus, Sabinus.
[3147] Oh, my God, Nympho, who had persuaded the Praetorian Guard to desert Nero.
[3148] Nymphidius treated Sporos as a wife and called him Pompeia.
[3149] So called him Nero's ex -wife, who Nero kicked to death, who he used to be married to.
[3150] What the fuck?
[3151] Imagine that poor kid.
[3152] He just blessed with good genetics.
[3153] You got a pretty face.
[3154] You got a pretty face.
[3155] Cut your dick off and just fuck you and they pass you around.
[3156] Talk like my wife.
[3157] I'm going to change your name again, kid.
[3158] This is why he killed himself.
[3159] Because someone else who beat that guy was going to use Spores as a victim in public entertainment as a re -enacted after all that shit.
[3160] Of a rape.
[3161] of someone in the underworld is what that is.
[3162] The rape of proserpina, the rape of proserpina at a gladiator show.
[3163] Oh my God.
[3164] So he avoided this public humiliation by committing suicide.
[3165] So they were going to violently rape him and kill him in a gladiator show.
[3166] So he finally gets free of the shit and then they're like, we want you to reenact it now.
[3167] We're going to make you die in a gladiator show.
[3168] I'd guess that's not the first time they did that.
[3169] He probably knew what was coming.
[3170] So he's probably like, fuck that.
[3171] I'm not going through that.
[3172] He probably saw so many people get fucked up and glad.
[3173] Why did they feel the need to publicly humiliate him?
[3174] Haven't he been through that?
[3175] Why?
[3176] Kick a man why he's down.
[3177] He's just like, he's getting a little cocky.
[3178] Let's, uh...
[3179] Oh, life back then.
[3180] I mean, this is the thing.
[3181] It's like they thought they were pretty progressive when they were just spanking women.
[3182] Yeah.
[3183] In those stupid movies.
[3184] Well, you don't know.
[3185] Yeah, you don't know.
[3186] Give me a little hammer to spank her in the ass.
[3187] Oh, here you go.
[3188] It was normal.
[3189] Yeah.
[3190] At least he didn't cut her dick off.
[3191] Well, you know, we are, we do move at our own pace, and it's like, people have acted like people suck now, like we're awful, but like we are getting better.
[3192] We are way better than those days.
[3193] We are getting better.
[3194] If you just read that account.
[3195] Yeah.
[3196] And imagine if Biden did that.
[3197] Imagine if Biden's wife died, so he found some fucking page that looked like his wife, had him cut his dick off and brought him to grease as his wife.
[3198] We'd be like, this guy's a maniac.
[3199] right these guys out of his fucking mind we're freaked out when he sniffs hair yeah exactly he's getting too close to that hair look how he's smelling those kids you fucking imagine oh that was insane it was I mean it was good to be a king back then you know you really could do whatever you wanted didn't last long eventually came for you he got what happened to him he got executed or what happened in Nero how did he die I'm looking into this little more it says this like because of how crazy it's sounding I'm starting to go like maybe whoever killed him was just like you know we're going to do him and we're going to make up all this shit about them that's not maybe accurate but who's going to fucking right but the Nero's store that's like an historical record the store took spores and I found a New Yorker article from 2021 that says like how nasty was he really and that notorious how nasty was Nero really yes oh my god Nero apologists they got to be writing that about Hitler someday it was just the oxycodone it wasn't Hitler yeah sorry it was on really good pot, really poaching pot and made him fuck his wife.
[3200] He got some 29 % THC.
[3201] The weed was strong and he only had taken weed a couple times.
[3202] Yeah, you can't fault him for killing all the Jews.
[3203] He really did think they were evil while he was tripping balls.
[3204] Sorry, that's a great thing to be like.
[3205] Kill six million Jews.
[3206] Well, I was on painkillers.
[3207] I was on oxies.
[3208] Guys.
[3209] I was on a lot of pain killers.
[3210] I had a bad doctor.
[3211] What Jamie was saying?
[3212] After he had sex with his mom, he killed her too.
[3213] They didn't mention that.
[3214] Oh, who Oops.
[3215] Yeah, bad guy.
[3216] I'd say a bad guy.
[3217] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3218] I say pretty safe to say.
[3219] That's not a conspiracy.
[3220] I'm not into the...
[3221] I'm not into the...
[3222] I'm not going to try to...
[3223] There you go with your conspiracy theories.
[3224] I think that guy was probably really bad guy.
[3225] No, that was a bad guy.
[3226] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3227] No, he was...
[3228] I think when you were the king back then, you could do whatever the fuck you wanted, which is part of the problem.
[3229] Yeah, that's the other thing.
[3230] It's so much power over people.
[3231] I think anyone put in that position we just do whatever the fuck they wanted.
[3232] You know the Elizabeth Bathory story?
[3233] No. Elizabeth, so this is a very controversial story, too.
[3234] I just know about Hitler.
[3235] I don't know about it.
[3236] This lady, so this is the folklore.
[3237] There's two different versions of this.
[3238] So the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil that she was a serial killer and she was beautiful when she was young and as she got older, she would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate.
[3239] Oh, I remember this, yes.
[3240] I mean, reading this.
[3241] But then the revisionist approach to it was that they accused.
[3242] her of all these things so that they could take her land and they imprisoned her because she was a royal so they imprisoned her and under house arrest they locked her up in a castle you know they locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died and they think that this possibly could be false accusations against her that were so horrific that no one would question them so that they could take her land oh so she didn't do it or i don't know we don't know we don't know the stories i mean if they did smear her with this fake thing you know it's it's a crazy accusation You want it to be true, though, don't you?
[3243] Of course.
[3244] You want to think there's some lady that is so vain and evil that she slaughters all the beautiful young ladies.
[3245] Yeah.
[3246] And that these women started going missing and they said, see if you can find that story.
[3247] It's kind of crazy.
[3248] I used to be super into serial killers, like before it was cool.
[3249] When did you start?
[3250] Who got you first?
[3251] Well, first of all, I was really into Kemper, the guy in the Mine Hunter series.
[3252] Oh.
[3253] I was into him before.
[3254] Now he's like, everyone knows him.
[3255] I'm a little disappointed.
[3256] I was into him.
[3257] He's mainstream now.
[3258] He's sold out.
[3259] Back when I was into it, I was creeping people out.
[3260] It was cool.
[3261] It was old school days.
[3262] My favorite story is Ed Geedin.
[3263] There was a story that someone came to, like, to his house once to, like, get borrow sugar or some shit.
[3264] And he came inside, and there was a skull that Edgain of someone who had killed, like, on a shelf.
[3265] And the guy's like, what the fuck is that?
[3266] And Ed Gein, you know, it's like the 50s, right?
[3267] Ed Gein just kind of like freaks out and just lies.
[3268] He just goes, oh, that's a Japanese guy killed and the war brought him back.
[3269] And the guys, the other guy's like, oh, thank God.
[3270] For a second, I thought it was something creepy.
[3271] Jesus Christ.
[3272] That is crazy.
[3273] Imagine you could take a Japanese guy's head home with you.
[3274] And everyone's just like, yeah, it's fine.
[3275] Lo was a Japanese guy.
[3276] Case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th century's most common motif of these works is that the countless bathing in her victim's, virgin victim's blood to retain beauty or youth.
[3277] The legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729, in the Jesuit scholar, Lasslow Turokzi, Teroxie, maybe.
[3278] Tragica Historia was written the first account of the Bathory case.
[3279] The story came into question in 1817 when the witness accounts, which had surfaced in 1765, were published for the first time.
[3280] They included no references to blood baths in his book, Hungary and Transylvania published in 1850.
[3281] John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's blood bathing.
[3282] Although his tale seems to be fictionalized, recitation of oral history from the area.
[3283] It's difficult to know how accurate as a count of events is.
[3284] Sadistic pleasures is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes.
[3285] Oh, so they're saying that she did do it.
[3286] Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records, the most prolific female murderer, although the number of her victims is debated.
[3287] So this is Wikipedia, though?
[3288] Yeah, I think there was another article.
[3289] that Elizabeth Bathory was like Google Elizabeth Bathory was innocent I found this but this didn't have a link it's just someone talking about it on Reddit which says was never a serial killer the myth and stories about her were made up by the Hungarian nobleman who first falsely accused her then prosecuted her based on false evidence that was mostly hearsay later they got her servants to make proof against her by forcing them to say they saw the killings of young girls while they tortured them this was because the wild dislikes she got in those circles because of how well she treated her what is that?
[3290] Jabagi I don't know how to translate.
[3291] Basically farmers who work for her on the land for house and a portion of what they made making a bad example and she was simply kind to commoner something nobleman just loath It's also helped them After she got locked up they seized her estate So she was actually just like a nice person Yeah that seems a little fishy too Disappointing though you know Who fucking knows?
[3292] You know, it's too many years ago for really, we don't even know what happened in 1963 with the Kennedy assassination.
[3293] You know, I took a bath every day.
[3294] Not a blood bath, but I love baths.
[3295] Baths are nice.
[3296] I love them, yeah.
[3297] It's like my way, place away from my phone and stuff.
[3298] Yeah, if you could live 100 years ago, a fucking hot shower is a miracle.
[3299] Oh, yeah.
[3300] A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure that we just completely take for granted.
[3301] To sit in that shower like, ah, soap and ladder up, and wash your feet and wash your face and, ah, your underarms, ah, bathe in this preheated warm water.
[3302] It's wonderful.
[3303] We do cold plungers for fun.
[3304] That's like all people had back then.
[3305] That's all of the cold ters.
[3306] Yeah, you wanted to wash your dirty ass.
[3307] You had to get in that fucking lake.
[3308] But hey, dude, it's been really fun talking to you, man. It was really good time.
[3309] Thanks for doing this.
[3310] I really enjoyed it.
[3311] Can I plug a couple things?
[3312] Yeah, plug away.
[3313] Plug away.
[3314] What do you got?
[3315] This was awesome, by the way.
[3316] Thank you.
[3317] I hope you had fun.
[3318] I did.
[3319] I had a great time.
[3320] I enjoyed it.
[3321] Very much.
[3322] Well, definitely check out my special Brave came out, like not too long ago on YouTube called Brave.
[3323] Also, I just made a movie.
[3324] Oh, yeah, there it is.
[3325] Film at the seller.
[3326] Film at the Comedy Cellar.
[3327] Jason Katz and James Webb filled it.
[3328] Great directors.
[3329] Beautiful.
[3330] And I also just made a movie.
[3331] We just kind of made the trailer.
[3332] It's about a serial killer called Memory Room.
[3333] You do like it dark, huh?
[3334] I like it dark.
[3335] Memory Room.
[3336] Yeah.
[3337] It's a movie I made with my movie.
[3338] my brilliant co -director, Dan McCabe.
[3339] Is it a comedy?
[3340] No, it's about a caretaker.
[3341] It's like a 25 -minute thriller about a caretaker who was taking care of a guy with dementia.
[3342] And one day they're listening to, like, music, and he seems to really like the song.
[3343] And she's like, oh, do you remember that song?
[3344] And he's like, that song was playing in the night I strangled Rosie.
[3345] He kind of just says it out of nowhere.
[3346] Oh, gee.
[3347] And she starts, like, investigating whether he actually killed someone or not.
[3348] And, yeah, we just filmed it.
[3349] Are you this here ago?
[3350] No, we got a great actor, Hal Robinson.
[3351] Did you think about playing it?
[3352] You did.
[3353] That's why you're laughing.
[3354] I tell you, at one point, he was talking about killing someone in it, and he looked a little too upset, and I was like, you've got to look like it's not a big deal.
[3355] Like, I was giving him my serial killer wisdom.
[3356] Like, you should be talking about this like it's nothing, you know?
[3357] Right.
[3358] But he was great, and you can learn about it or...
[3359] Where can someone watch it?
[3360] You can watch a trailer now at Memory Room Movie .com.
[3361] We just kind of put it together, and there's also, like, if we went 13 ,000 over budget, So if anyone wants to be an investor, go to memory room movie .com.
[3362] And when will it be available for people to watch?
[3363] Well, we're going to finish editing and then send it to all these film festivals and try to get in.
[3364] I made a movie with Joe List earlier this year, and I'm trying to start making more movies.
[3365] I've loved movies my whole life.
[3366] And I've written screenplays with my partner, Dan McCabe, who's great, great writer.
[3367] And we just finally started making this and raising money and making it.
[3368] It's awesome.
[3369] Cool.
[3370] All right, man. Beautiful.
[3371] But it was so nice talking to you.
[3372] Nice talking to you too, man. It's a lot of fun.
[3373] Yeah.
[3374] It was good time.
[3375] I enjoyed it.
[3376] Thank you.
[3377] All right.
[3378] Bye, everybody.