#1351 - Dan Aykroyd

[0] And we're live with Dan Eckroy, cutting oranges and doing a podcast at the same time.

[1] Yes, it's kind of like walking from the tightrope between two buildings, chewing gum, and looking up at the ceiling.

[2] Have you ever heard of the guy who, he was a tightrope walker at the turn of the century, and he was very famous.

[3] I forget, as he was a French guy.

[4] He walked over Niagara Falls several times.

[5] I know what you're talking about, yeah.

[6] He was a French tightrope walker.

[7] And one of the things he did, Joe, was one morning.

[8] He said, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to take my manager on my back.

[9] I'm going to take a small stove and I'm going to cook him breakfast in the middle of the falls, right over the falls.

[10] Oh, shit.

[11] And this is recorded of him having, can you imagine the manager, you know, the conversation there?

[12] Okay, you're going to climb on my back.

[13] We're going to the middle of falls.

[14] I'm going to make your breakfast.

[15] I love you.

[16] I love handling you.

[17] But no, really?

[18] I have to do this.

[19] So he took his manager on the back, out to the falls, cooked them egg.

[20] right there and then walk to the other end of the falls with a stove his manager all on his back this is like you know these are these are feats that that we hear about did he cook in the middle he cooked in the middle of the falls he cooked he cooked eggs and I think flapjacks and all while handling his manager on his back and handling the stove and the whole thing yeah there's the image there there he is there there's the manager look oh my goodness yeah yeah it's not funny yeah I want to see him cooking yeah they must have a photo they've got a little barrel up there Yeah, wheelbarrow, he had the manager on his back.

[21] There he has the manager on the back, you see, taking him across.

[22] Jesus Christ.

[23] Yeah.

[24] That's how you earn you keep as a manager.

[25] I know, and I don't know whether, there he is.

[26] Look at the table in the chairs.

[27] Yeah.

[28] So that's what we're kind of up to here today.

[29] And I know when I came in, I saw the beautiful bow equipment and all your workout equipment.

[30] I was going to bring my pinball gun so I could bounce to them off your stomach.

[31] You have a pinball gun?

[32] What is a pinball gun?

[33] Well, I'm just making it up here.

[34] I know you've got a hard stomach there and I could just see them bounce.

[35] So, but I, and I said, you know, Joe, do you have a knife for the oranges?

[36] And I knew you'd have a really nice, sharp hunting knife.

[37] And he hauls this out and here it is.

[38] Tuckmore custom knives.

[39] Oh, it's beautiful, beautiful.

[40] Where are they out of?

[41] I don't know.

[42] It was a gift from my friend Donnie Vincent brought it in for me. Yeah, a thousand people died going over Niagara Falls, many of them suicides and many of them, you know, just that went over in rafts and that kid Roger who went over in a life jacket and kids and people in barrels who were actually intending to go over the first.

[43] falls and wanted to float down that far.

[44] One guy survived.

[45] A guy in the life jacket survived and a couple of them in the barrel survived.

[46] But the tribe of the Niagara Indians who lived at the indigenous natives who lived at the bottom of the falls were overweight.

[47] And why were they overweight?

[48] Because they didn't run through the forest hunting.

[49] They took all of the meat that came through the Niagara River and went over the falls and was dashed at the bottom of the falls, the bears, the wolves, the moose, all of them who drowned in the falls, all these wilds.

[50] life and they just harvested the meat off the rocks at the bottom of the falls so they would just wait they would just wait exactly yeah wow yeah how many things get stuck that would seem like you'd be waiting a lot uh man 40 people every year fall over so every year right now yeah wow wow oh my god 40 but i love upstate new york i love up i love i love niagara falls new yorks beautiful um architecture from the 30s and stuff yeah it's so neat up there yeah it's a gorgeous part of the country.

[51] Do you mind if I make a non -outative vodka drink here for us?

[52] Yeah.

[53] This is your vodka company and you base it.

[54] I know you are a huge fan of extraterrestrials and one of the things I'm very excited to talk to you about is that.

[55] But this is - Sure, I brought you a book on all that.

[56] Cool.

[57] This is based on the crystal skulls, right?

[58] Well, yeah, the package is based, the, the package is based on the crystal heads because we wanted to sell the idea of purity and you can see, it's a nice, smiling little, happy little skull.

[59] It was designed by John Alexander, the great Texas artist.

[60] Here's our, this is our wheat version.

[61] We have corn in here.

[62] We have wheat in here.

[63] And there's no cleaner vodka, I must say, on the planet, we go to great lengths to make this a clean product.

[64] Not only is the bottle beautiful, but the unique fluid inside is what has got us to 70 countries, over 50 million bottles sold.

[65] We've won 12 gold medals.

[66] We won the Predexpo in Moscow for excellent taste at a 400 beverages.

[67] And what we do is we We take peaches and cream corn from Chatham, Ontario, and we put it in the truck in the mash, and we ship it 95 % alcohol volume at that point, and we take it over, and we put it in the ferry boat, and we bring it over at the distillery in Newfoundland, Canada, the last, one of the last state -owned stills in the world, and why are we there?

[68] Because of the water from the original Wisconsin glacier is under Newfoundland.

[69] So water is a vodka is an old Russian word for water.

[70] And great, yeah, and great vodkas have sweet.

[71] heat water.

[72] I'm just going to, I want you to just take a sip and then I'm going to make a nice crystal draw, but just here's our notes.

[73] Cheers, sir.

[74] Yeah, cheers, sir.

[75] Yeah, cheers.

[76] Yeah, indeed.

[77] Hey, to our daughters.

[78] To everybody's daughters, sons and daughters.

[79] Everybody, sons, daughters, mothers.

[80] It's very good.

[81] Sweetness, sweet vanilla dry crisp with a kick of heat off the finish are our notes from Anthony Dias Blue.

[82] We take that to the distillery in Newfoundland.

[83] We use the water there.

[84] We do not add flavor packs.

[85] Flavor packs are added to lesser vodkas.

[86] That's glycerides, sugars, turpenes, and we put them, they put them in these packages, and they put them into the vodka.

[87] We eliminated all of that, and we have no additives at all.

[88] This is C2H 506, just absolute ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol, purified, distilled in a carbon filtration system, not the one with the hose where they just blow it through.

[89] No, we distill and we filter, and we pour it over Herkimer Diamonds.

[90] Diamonds?

[91] Yep.

[92] You pour it over diamonds?

[93] We do.

[94] We pour it over the Herkimer Semi -Precious Stone, and the Herkimer Semi -Precious Stone is one of our last purification processes.

[95] Now, if you ask a high school professor, what does pouring alcohol over diamonds do to the alcohol, they'd probably say, well, nothing.

[96] But our stones, after certain pores, a certain number of pores, they turn yellow, and we have to bleach them, clean them, or replace them.

[97] The Herkimer diamond is found in an anomalous area of upstate New York, also in Afghanistan, and in Wahaka, Mexico.

[98] they're found.

[99] They're little semi -precious, double -ended crystals, and people love the taste of the vodka, poured over the stones.

[100] Now, is there a chemical reaction that causes the stones to turn yellow, or is it?

[101] You know, again, you know, you'd have to sit with a chemistry professor and say, why does the alcohol turn it if the crystals yellow?

[102] Is it doing anything?

[103] Is it purifying it?

[104] We've done flavor profiles where we pour it over the stones and give it to people, and we don't pour it over the stones and give it to the people, and they like it better pour it over the stones.

[105] Now, why I like the Herkerman Diamond is, of course, because it's near Griffiths Air Force Base, Rome, New York, you know, and that was where a lot of scrambles went up in the 70s and 80s against whatever was coming and going in the mountains there, Pine Bluff, you know, Pine Bush, New York, Pine Bush, yeah, Pine Bush, New York.

[106] So I thought, this is great.

[107] Herkimer Diamonds from that area associated with ETs, the Navajo, the Aztec, the Anasazi.

[108] they said that these skulls came down to them from the star children.

[109] They were given to them as scrying devices to help the tribe move forward, to give positive energy to the tribe.

[110] And so I thought perfect tie -in.

[111] We pour our vodka over Herkimer Diamonds.

[112] We're tied in a little to the extraterrestrial legend there with the skull, and it's the neat kind of bow to our product.

[113] But the most important thing is that the fluid in the bottle matches the beauty of the bottle, and the bottle is to sell the idea of purity and enlightened thinking, enlightened drinking, which was what these skulls were made for.

[114] Gosh, it's good even without the orange juice.

[115] Dan Eckrod, you might be the greatest salesman that's ever lived.

[116] I'm sold.

[117] This is another one, folks.

[118] I don't know if you could see this.

[119] For people listening, you definitely can't.

[120] But if you're looking at it on YouTube, this is an absolutely gorgeous bottle with artwork all over it.

[121] This really cool design is all these little skeletons.

[122] It's hard to tell because it's kind of abstract, a lot of the stuff in it.

[123] Well, that's John Alexander's work.

[124] he does he loves skulls and skeletons and and that kind of stuff and uh gorgeous and day of the dead stuff and and so um you know he uh he painted that up he's my oh he's one of my oldest friends and we met because uh i we worked on that saturday night live and my girlfriend there was rosy schuster one of the writers and you know we fell in love and we had a great time and wrote the show we wrote fred garvin male prostitute and a lot of other things and then i went away to do blues brothers and she said i'm breaking up with you and i said well for what or for who well i met this artist john Alexander.

[125] So she dumped me for him and now we're best friends and we'd like to find Rosie again.

[126] I know, no, no, no, no. She dumped me for, and he went on to get married and do other stuff.

[127] But yeah, that's how we met.

[128] So it's kind of an interesting friends, creative friends.

[129] So we are of the vodka for the creative spirit.

[130] It comes from two artists, a writer, him and artist, graphic artist and designer and painter and sculptor.

[131] So, you know, millennials love us because there's a no BIA.

[132] story on our purity.

[133] We are a pure story.

[134] We're a story about fun and about enlightened drinking in moderation, of course.

[135] And we are a story about quality.

[136] And so I think people are buying it.

[137] We have a lot of female demographic there because of the cleanliness, because we don't have the additives in it.

[138] And you know, we just take the trouble to make this product in a special way.

[139] How are you doing this?

[140] This is about 11 years.

[141] We're in 70 countries and doing really really well with it because people are getting the story that it's not only the the bottle it's it's what's in the bottle you get it Bev Moe total wines ABC liquor um bars all over the the world have it now and um yeah they uh they like the they like the no additive story um and yeah it's uh you know it's a little more expensive in retail but it works out to about 37 cents a drink more if you have 25 drinks in a bottle you buy that bottle um it's uh you know it's uh you know You're paying a little more for the quality and for the package, but you don't have to pay too much more for a drink.

[142] It's like 37 cents more.

[143] If the average drink, win bars we say, we sell it for like maybe seven bucks a shot or say nine bucks a shot, seven for, you know, two for 14 and three for 21.

[144] We're losing people in the weeds here.

[145] This is very delicious, though.

[146] I'm not a vodka guy.

[147] I generally like whiskey because I like to know what's happening.

[148] The thing about vodka is it's so smooth.

[149] and this is very delicious and smooth like before you know it you're fucked up with whiskey I feel like you know it with every taste what you do you're like oh well we don't have an overfuss viscosity it's sweet and it's got beautiful viscosity there and if you're on a ketogenic diet do you can you want a little citrus in there try it sure that's your move yeah yeah no I like I like it can you squeeze it in there very slowly and make it look like an egg yolk going in there and so I'm having a lot of fun with the business it's 11 years we're having fun.

[150] We're fighting against the big guys.

[151] You know, we've got to do stunts and do exciting things and talk about it in ways that it hasn't been talked about before.

[152] We did change the industry.

[153] We are the purest play out there in terms of vodka consumption.

[154] I don't slag other brands.

[155] They want to use the flavor packages.

[156] They want to put glyceride in there, which is, of course, a synthetic.

[157] It's a lipid.

[158] You want to put it in there.

[159] It's a cousin to antifreeze.

[160] I got to say.

[161] It's a cousin to antifreeze?

[162] Yeah, glyceride.

[163] Glissol.

[164] What if you're a really good person?

[165] Your cousin's a murderer, though.

[166] Does that matter?

[167] Well, let me see.

[168] Christ, you know, loved prisoners and Christ forgave.

[169] So, you know, Ted Bundy's sister, I don't know.

[170] Yeah, maybe she's a nice person.

[171] I want to talk to you about the story of the crystal skulls themselves because there is this strange sort of folklore attached to them, and then there's a lot of people that believe that it's all horseshit and that these were created by modern people and buried underground in order to.

[172] Well, my understanding.

[173] standing of it is, there you go.

[174] Yeah, indeed, that's just the citrus model, the crystal driver.

[175] There were 13 heads, and it was purported that the Navajo, the Anasazi, the Mayans, the Aztec, each had one.

[176] The most famous one is the Mitchell Hedges, which was found in the Yucatan by Anna Mitchell Hedges.

[177] He reached into a cave.

[178] She was with her grandfather, and was around 1926, and she reached in, and there was an oil cloth covered item in there, and she pulled it out and opened it up, and there was the two -piece detachable jaw.

[179] Mitchell Hedges skull, beautiful skull.

[180] The Hewlett -Packard engineers did a test on it in the 60s.

[181] They said it could not have been carved by a lapidary, by tools.

[182] It had to have been polished over hundreds of years, over centuries, to get to the shape that it was.

[183] So they said it was a polished item.

[184] Let's see, there's the Mitchell Hedges skull, the Phyllis Newman skull named Max.

[185] But wasn't that later decided by some people that this was not the case?

[186] I'm going to exactly get to that point because, of course, it's important.

[187] It doesn't affect my business, whether they're fake or not.

[188] These were beautiful artifacts, and we've recreated it beautifully.

[189] But it's nice to know the true story, and I have kind of a thought on the theory either way.

[190] So there's the Phyllis Newman skull named Max.

[191] She has to put it in the closet because it talks to her.

[192] Wait, wait, hit the brakes.

[193] I'll have to hit the brakes a bunch with you.

[194] You're an excellent talker, sir.

[195] Oh, well, you know, I was inoculated with a gramophone needle at birth.

[196] I could talk a taxi dispatcher in a vial of silence.

[197] I could talk an air raid siren to scrap.

[198] And you're obviously Canadian because you said slag.

[199] Yeah.

[200] And you say, date a Canadian gal.

[201] Oh, wow.

[202] That's another tangent, Canadian gals and Canadian guys.

[203] So the Philip Newman skull, she got it.

[204] Its name is Mac.

[205] She has to put it in the closet because it talks to her, she said.

[206] So there's the Mitchell Hedges.

[207] Yes, she does.

[208] Phyllis has that one.

[209] Then there's the Mitchell Hedges skull that's in, Indiana, the man that took car of Anna at the end of her life eventually had it and got it.

[210] It sat in Grafton, Ontario for many years, and I never saw it, but people said when they walked into the room and she uncovered it with the cloth, she kept it in, that there was an immediate feeling of well -being and healing coming over to look at the original Mitchell -Hajoskull.

[211] There's one in Mexico City.

[212] It's one like one of our minis.

[213] It's got a cross stuck right in the top of it, which is, you know, that would shatter crystal if you did that.

[214] How that cross got there, I don't know.

[215] There are, there's one at the Smithsonian in Washington, D .C., and one at the Victoria and Albert Museum.

[216] So that's, there's supposed to be eight that we have and five that we're missing.

[217] The woman at the Smithsonian, who has the two there, I think they're a cloudy orange one and a cloudy green one, and they're smaller.

[218] She says they're all fakes, that they were carved by a German lapidary in the 1800s and that he seeded them around the world.

[219] Well, wait a minute.

[220] I think one was found in Tibet.

[221] One was found in Ohio, we're hearing, at the serpent mounds.

[222] Why did she think this one gentleman did it?

[223] Because he was an expert Lappidary.

[224] He had the tools to do it.

[225] And she figures, her theory is that they're not artifacts polished by tribal hands and passed down, that they're all fakes.

[226] But it's just, wait a minute, he would have had to have had an airship to go and deposit these wherever they might be around the world.

[227] And you can get the pictures of the skulls up, the Smithsonian, Christensen.

[228] and the Smithsonian's crystal heads you can get in Victoria, Albert, Crystal Head.

[229] Do they all have the same similar type of markings?

[230] There, there's the, there's theirs.

[231] Yes, yes, they do.

[232] They do.

[233] They all have the same.

[234] Now, you see, some of them are more, are clearer.

[235] See, there's one at the British Museum, and there's some that are clearer and they're more beautiful, and there's some that are rougher, like that one there, and the green and the orange one.

[236] But she says all fakes, but if they're all fakes, how did they get to?

[237] to these different places around the world and how were they found?

[238] Well, here's the thing, but why fake?

[239] The word fake is very strange because it's like they are certainly real carved crystal skulls.

[240] But were they from tribal ancestry?

[241] Who made them?

[242] This is the question.

[243] Who made them?

[244] Modern Western people.

[245] And how?

[246] Were they polished or were they carved?

[247] That's the thing.

[248] Aren't they beautiful, oh God?

[249] What do the indigenous people say?

[250] They say they found them?

[251] The Navajo say they came from the star children, that they were brought down and deposited and given to them as Christian.

[252] crystal ball devices, crying devices, too.

[253] What's that one down there, Jamie?

[254] Keep scrolling where you were.

[255] The green is beautiful.

[256] The one on the left right there that looks almost like a real skull.

[257] Oh, it is a real skull.

[258] Yeah, no, the green is beautiful.

[259] So I guess, I don't know, I'm not a scientist.

[260] I'm not a professional historian.

[261] I guess I have to trust the lady at the Smithsonian, but then I question they were found at different times in history around the world.

[262] How do you go and seed?

[263] How do you deposit them there?

[264] Why does she believe that?

[265] Has she given a coherent reason why she thinks that they're all hoaxes?

[266] I guess she's done her analysis, whatever they've done, you know, to their skulls.

[267] But again, the Ulet Packard engineers took that Mitchell Hedges skull, and they said this cannot be, have not been polished.

[268] It would have been cracked or destroyed it.

[269] It could not have been built by tools.

[270] It would have been cracked or destroyed it.

[271] It had to have been polished.

[272] Hmm.

[273] Yeah.

[274] So, but what about some sort of a very fast -moving drill with a diamond bit on it that can slowly grind down?

[275] Well, that would be, then that would be, then there would be marks that would be visible under, under the scanner they put couldn't you polish those marks down i don't i think that the intensity of this of the hulet packard scrutiny revealed that there were none of those marks and that's why they were able to make their claim here's the problem with this is like you want them to be real right don't you oh yeah i love the legend i do too i do too but i don't trust me no neither do i so when i when you're saying all these things i want to believe you i want them to be from the sky people.

[276] Mm -hmm.

[277] I do too, but again, you know, you've got a professional in Washington at our national museum there who says, no, they're not.

[278] Yeah, but what does she know?

[279] Well, we could, forget her name, we should get her on the phone.

[280] She might be a party pooper.

[281] Well, I think that she's probably in love with the skulls, even though they are, you know, not polished it in her mind.

[282] I bet she loves them as much as we do.

[283] But the thing is, if you are a professional intellectual or someone as a curator of, you know, fine artwork and ancient relics, you kind of.

[284] have to be one of those people that dismisses anything preposterous because if not that's right like neil tyson don't you love him yes i love him to death i love neil but he there's no way you can sit down and say neil barney and betty hill were abducted by a flying saucer in 1957 he's not going to accept that because he can't accept that because everything in his training everything in his knowledge everything that he knows about physics and science and propulsion in the universe and how to get from place to place defies um the uh defies the legend or i would say defies the theory that there are uh extraterrestrial advanced ships out there he can't accept it's just you know he it would be unprofessional for him to say okay there's even a possibility that there were abductions but the betty and barney hill story is very interesting but there's there's no real evidence other than their testimony is that correct well um there was a stain on betty's dress there's excellent recall.

[285] She was not, he was unconscious.

[286] What was the stain on her dress is so interesting?

[287] It was a fluid that they used in, in the testing, that some kind of a fluid, a chemical.

[288] The alien testing?

[289] That they did when they drew Ova from her, and they drew sperm.

[290] Oh, yeah, from him.

[291] Now, so there's a book out called Contact by Stanton Friedman.

[292] I read that.

[293] Yeah, and Kathleen, yeah.

[294] I'd love to know where the car is, where they, the, the Chevy they were driving.

[295] Oh, it disappeared?

[296] I don't know.

[297] I'd have to ask Kathleen where it is.

[298] Did they, did they, did it ended up in a junkyard because there were marks on the back of the car as well there were trace evidence in the back of the car you know ted phillips is he goes around the world collecting trace evidence and radioactive signatures from sightings and and uh and landings on the back of the car there was a couple of marks but it was betty's it's their credibility why would they want to bring this into their lives and she was conscious a semi -conscious through much of it and barney was not uh conscious he was unconscious if you hear the tapes of ben simons interviewed you with them under hypnosis the screaming and the and he was just so frightened yeah and that's and the and the and the zeta reticuli map when when the little the being betty looked at the map and and the being showed her a map as she was on her way out the door and she said may i take this and the being was going to give it to her but then another one zipped up and said no you can't have this is exactly the same place where bob lazar says they found those uh the with the the spaceships that they have an area or s4 well the little gray's zeta reticel Barney and Betty's abduction, you had Marjorie Fish and amateur astronomer.

[299] She took the memory of Betty's, Betty drew up the star map, and she did a three -dimensional scale model of that part of the universe and was able to identify Zeta reticulai one and two and accepted by astronomers.

[300] So that map that Betty saw aboard that ship had not been seen on Earth before.

[301] And Betty has no history of astronomy, no studying it?

[302] No, none of it at all.

[303] And, you know, interesting things, like when they got back to the house, their house was open, and the keys to the house were in on the table with leaves so that they might have dropped them at the site, and the beings returned them.

[304] Now, you know who Bud Hopkins was?

[305] Yes.

[306] He said that since, he studied the Linda Cortilla case where the woman was floated out of her apartment building over the East River, an orange orb picked her up, plunged in the river.

[307] Tell people who he was.

[308] He was the graphic artist.

[309] He was a graphic artist.

[310] designer, a painter, and a lovely man, and he was one of the first people to start to deal with the trauma of abductees.

[311] He got a reputation for me able to interview them, hypnotize them, interview them, and get their stories and empathize and sympathize with them.

[312] And he said that in some cases that he studied, the beings would grab a man from somewhere in America and grab a woman and out of their cars, out of their clothes, put them up, test them, draw over, draw sperm, fluids, whatever they were doing.

[313] And then the woman would wait a up in the man's shoes or a different car or almost as if the beings were finished with them I don't care where they go now yeah I put them put them back you know that kind of thing he said that was the oddest phenomena like releasing a trout yeah that that's right well I think that's it's if you catch a trout you catch a big rainbow trout and you're fly fishing and you got a barblous hook you know most people if you go to Montana go to the Gallatin River shout out to the Gallatin beautiful gorgeous place people catch and release because they they appreciate that the trout are there they'd rather go buy halibut from a store and not not eat the fish because they want the salmon to be healthy.

[314] They want the trout to be healthy.

[315] So they catch them and then they release them.

[316] But if you're a brown trout, well, brown trout are invasive.

[317] But if you're a rainbow trout and someone catches you.

[318] And, you know, they take you on some 200 -yard run down this river as they're trying to draw you and it's a big nine -pound rainbow.

[319] Catch of a lifetime, right?

[320] Beautiful time.

[321] And some guy pulls it on, it takes pictures of it, like shows it, and then releases it.

[322] And this thing's like, how the fuck did I get?

[323] here what am I doing outside of my universe yeah yeah what am I doing in this other dimension of air where I can't breathe precisely yeah yeah and that's that's what that's catching release with people Travis Walton says you know you got to think of them as just people from over there yeah he's the guy the fire in the sky movie was based on yeah yeah another interesting story here's what I want people credibility there and credibility with Barney and Betty I just don't think they're lying and I don't think the aerial school children are lying I don't want to think they're lying this is the problem that I have with it I want to believe them.

[324] But this is what I want people to consider because most people that are pragmatic, reasonable people that don't want to be ridiculed, they look at these stories and they go, oh come on, people are full of shit and I've been there too.

[325] But I want people to imagine that if aliens did occasionally visit Earth, how often do you think this would take place?

[326] It would be very infrequently.

[327] And if it was happening, these would be completely unique, unusual occurrences out of nowhere where someone would come down, they would do something and they would be leaving the person with this thought and this memory and this inability to describe it with normal words.

[328] If you were taking aboard a spaceship and you were some reptilian beings that were three feet tall were running experiments on you and you were paralyzed and then they released you back on Earth, what words do you have available to you to describe this experience in a way.

[329] They'll like, if you tell me, hey, Joe, I, uh, I, uh, went white water rafting with my kids.

[330] It was a great time.

[331] It was so fun.

[332] We got to see eagles and it was, it was gorgeous.

[333] And then we had lunch at this beautiful little cafe.

[334] What a great day.

[335] I can envision this experience.

[336] I can see it.

[337] But if you tell me, hey, man, we went camping and I woke up and some alien at a finger in my ass.

[338] The Alagash, yeah.

[339] The Aligash incident, they went camping and they were, they disappeared.

[340] There's quite a few of those, right?

[341] There's hundreds of thousands.

[342] And here, this is I brought you a book.

[343] This is Bruce McAbee's book.

[344] It's all the headlines from 1952, 432 reports given, and I'll address your specific question about people, how they relate their experiences and how genuine they feel in a second here.

[345] 432 reports given the Air Force in 1952 on aerial sightings, ships from other planet.

[346] We've got memos from the government here.

[347] Former Army pilots seized flying saucer by daylight, whatever was cited here.

[348] July 30 stories, fighter pilots at Newcastle, say alert for more saucer reports.

[349] These are newspaper.

[350] Yeah.

[351] That's yours.

[352] Well, newspapers never lie.

[353] Well, I don't know if you know that.

[354] Well, they never make fake stories.

[355] Well, they never talk shit about people.

[356] The New York Times is pretty reliable.

[357] Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene are reporters for the New York Times and they've been studying this phenomenon.

[358] They report very credibly on it.

[359] I'll tell you how an abductee's experience is related.

[360] I attended a lecture at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute in Madison.

[361] Manhattan with my wife a few years ago.

[362] That would be about 15 years ago.

[363] And John Mack was a lecturer.

[364] You know, he wrote the book, Abduction.

[365] He was the Harvard psychiatrist who wrote abduction.

[366] You can get that up to.

[367] Abduction, John Mack.

[368] Yes, I've read that as well.

[369] Yeah.

[370] And that freaked a friend of mine now.

[371] She was a very pragmatic, non -UFO believing person.

[372] And we were working together on news radio, my friend Maura Tierney.

[373] And she came up to me and she goes like, this book is freaking me the fuck out.

[374] And he wrote a second book as well.

[375] Didn't he die in a car accident?

[376] John Mack.

[377] I believe he died in a car accident.

[378] Steped off a curb in, um, in, in a, in a small town in England, and he was struck by a car.

[379] Yeah.

[380] And three other John Max died the same day in England.

[381] So, so you think people were whacking John Max?

[382] Because he knew too much?

[383] I don't know.

[384] Again, I was at this lecture, and there were 300 abductees there.

[385] that some of who he interviewed with, some he had not, but who were there for interested to find out a bit more about their experience.

[386] And one guy got up and said, he had one arm, and I don't know whether that was related.

[387] I don't think it was related to the experience, but he said, I'm a Wall Street broker.

[388] I'm quite well off.

[389] I have a sailboat.

[390] I was in Long Island Sound a few years ago, and a blue light hit me, and I had missing time of about five or six hours.

[391] But in it, I have filtered memories of beings addressing me and telling me that I was powerful, and influential, and I could help the planet survive.

[392] And they put me back in my ship, and I woke up, and, and he said, I'm waiting for them to come back.

[393] I want them to come back.

[394] And I asked the room, I got up, and I said, of all of you who've been taken, how many of you would want to repeat the experience or have it happen again?

[395] And about half of them said, no, no way they'd want it to have it happen again.

[396] And half said, yeah, we'd like to happen again.

[397] Yeah, half, yeah.

[398] Now, I love a good...

[399] So Bruce signed this to me, and I'm going to give it to you, and it's just got great.

[400] It's got great headlines from the, you know, from the 50s, which was a massive time for saucers.

[401] You know, that famous photo of the saucers over the Capitol, the glowing lights.

[402] Yeah.

[403] See if you can find that photo, Jamie.

[404] It's quite interesting.

[405] July 1952, Washington sightings.

[406] Do you think this was initiated by the detonation of the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where they decided, okay, these fucking monkeys are doing some stupid shit?

[407] We need to go down there and see what's up and see if there's imminent danger to the cosmos.

[408] Let's find out what kind of capabilities they have.

[409] Because if you listen to Lazare, or if you believe the work of Zechariah Sitchin, or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered, that there's the reason why there's this giant leap between us and the rest of the primates on the planet is because something came down and manipulated our genetics.

[410] Well, the movie Mission to Mars with Tim Robbins, you know, basically it says that.

[411] You know, basically it shows the face on Mars.

[412] that that is one of NASA employees' favorite movies.

[413] Yeah, there they are.

[414] 1952, UFO incident, thank you very much.

[415] Look at that photo.

[416] That is a crazy photo.

[417] Come on, let's go here now.

[418] That's crazy.

[419] Yeah, that ain't an airplane.

[420] That ain't a helicopter.

[421] No. It's a crazy photograph, and it's from 1952.

[422] I mean, the special effects back then were incredibly crude.

[423] No, no. This was something that was reported by thousands of people.

[424] They scrambled jets from Andrews Fort and everything.

[425] As well as the Phoenix Lights.

[426] The Phoenix Lights is fascinating.

[427] Because, you know, Fife Symington, the governor said, he saw them.

[428] He made fun of it with an alien.

[429] Yeah, but he talked about that afterwards.

[430] He was put into pressure to do so.

[431] Yeah, yeah.

[432] He's in a movie called, what is it?

[433] There's a documentary on Netflix.

[434] It's available that he's in that he talks about the pressure that they put on him to make light of that incident.

[435] And he talks about his own personal experiences with seeing something, some sort of triangle -shaped craft that was enormous, the size of several football fields, that was flying overhead, that was completely.

[436] silent and how it freaked him out.

[437] The triangle and Delta crafts are very, very interesting, but the Tinley Park incidents of the 80s, and with Sam Maranto was the investigator there from Mufon, these things would park over the family barbecue for about half an hour, and you know, families and suburbs were looking up with them, the sky being blotted out by these things parking above them.

[438] So I think it comes down to I don't think these beings, well, Lord Hill Norton said there were 23 different species visiting the planet and 23 different types of ships.

[439] I don't think they want a formal relationship with people on Earth.

[440] They want an informal secret relationship.

[441] I think they probably have one with elements of the black elements of the Air Force and the government.

[442] You know, David Sarita is.

[443] I've heard his name.

[444] You should have him on.

[445] He's very knowledgeable about this.

[446] His theory is that the Roswell event may have been precipitated by the Trinity explosion because there was such an interdimensional disturbance of the atoms being split and that explosion there was there was that that that saucer there that went down in 47 may have may have been influenced somehow negatively by by that explosion now stanton friedman didn't didn't buy that i loved stanton he just passed away there he was the expert on roswell yeah i'm upset that i never got to meet him before he died he was so credible interesting guy who believed in UFOs but believed most people were not were lying about them uh really well he believed that there was a lot of horseshit going on, including Bob Lazar.

[447] He thought Bob was full of shit.

[448] Well, again, why would Bob go out there and do that and compromise his life?

[449] Well, let me tell you something after talking to him for three hours and then having dinner with him the night before.

[450] I don't have, I don't, I used to believe I had the best bullshit meter in the world, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten more honest.

[451] And I don't, I didn't see anything.

[452] He's, he's incredibly smart guy.

[453] And he's not a guy who's like seeking out attention and he's not profiting from this and just his demeanor and everything geez he's he's like an accountant he's a legitimate scientist yeah i mean and i've talked to him uh one of the things that i engaged him with when we had dinner we talked about science just science in general and we talked about all sorts of different things and um he's a scientist he's a legit scientist i've talked to a lot of them yeah i know what kind of person he is he's a and they just hassled him again there they rated his uh his nuclear isotope because they think he has element 115 that's what they think Wouldn't we all love to have that?

[454] Yeah, that's what they think.

[455] That's some artists created that thing up there with Element 115.

[456] Yeah, Element 115, indeed.

[457] Well, if you get a little sliver of that, that would be pretty exciting.

[458] He talked openly about it in the 90s that he had managed to weasel some away from the area S4, and they think that he still has it.

[459] There was some experiments that he had done that George Knapp had actually filmed, that it showed some really bizarre distortions.

[460] using this stuff, and then it was able to, it was, it was, I got to remember exactly what it did that they showed, but they did some experience with like steam or smoke or something like that where they showed Element 115 emitting some sort of, um, vapor.

[461] Well, no, it was emitting some sort of a field.

[462] Oh, yeah, okay.

[463] Where you literally couldn't physically touch this stuff.

[464] Mm -hmm.

[465] Yeah, no, it would be, be nice to find that.

[466] That's for sure.

[467] But I believe, I believe, Bob, I do, and I believe Barney and Betty, and I believe Travis.

[468] I want to believe all of them.

[469] I believe the, I believe the, Ilegash guys.

[470] Why would, why would they do this?

[471] Because people are full of shit.

[472] They love to lie.

[473] They love attention.

[474] They love crazy stories.

[475] People love telling you their psychic.

[476] People love believing in astrology.

[477] People, people believe in Bigfoot.

[478] I think that there's a lot of people out there that want fantastic things to be real, including me. It's exciting.

[479] It's way more exciting than not being real.

[480] It is entertaining.

[481] That's why I love the whole subject.

[482] That's my problem with it.

[483] The thing is that these people were severely damaged, like Barney Hill was damaged.

[484] The Alagash boys were damaged.

[485] Travis Walton were psychologically damaged by these, by these experiences.

[486] Allegedly.

[487] We don't know.

[488] I mean, they might have been damaged already.

[489] This might have been.

[490] I accept that.

[491] Yeah, this might have been something where.

[492] But you read contact and you've seen Betty interviewed.

[493] Doesn't she come off as someone who is extremely credible?

[494] She does.

[495] She does.

[496] So does Barney, Betty and Barney Hill.

[497] They're an interesting couple because they were an interracial couple.

[498] What year was this?

[499] This happened?

[500] 57.

[501] So they were dealing with all sorts of pressure.

[502] during the Civil Rights Movement, and they were, you know, some, you know, they were pretty, it was not the, what you would expect for people that were calling out and trying to get attention, and the way, you know, the way they described this, it resonated with people.

[503] Well, he was having nightmares and rashes, and they had to come to some medical conclusion about it.

[504] And they consulted a friend.

[505] The story was extremely consistent.

[506] It was.

[507] And they consulted a friend at the Air Force, you know, who they knew, and they came to Ben Simon and that.

[508] No, it's a, it's a fascinating story.

[509] There's this, you know, it's just, it's just, in a way, as again, it's, it's, it's very, very, very entertaining.

[510] And how did you get involved in this?

[511] Well, my mother, uh, worked for the, uh, ministry of munitions in World War II, uh, for the minister.

[512] And she was, uh, suborn to work with the, uh, aircraft production, uh, for the hurricane.

[513] She was in charge of, uh, working with, uh, uh, working with, uh, getting the hurricane fuselage is built in Canada for the hurricane fighter plane.

[514] So she was, you know, in the world of aviation.

[515] And in 1947, she was walking down Spark Street in Ottawa.

[516] And she looked up in the sky.

[517] And she sort of said, something told me to look up.

[518] And she said she saw what looked like a Christmas tree ornament just winking above the street about four or five hundred feet, winking on and off, red, green, white, red, green light.

[519] And she thought, that's odd, you know.

[520] And then she looked at it and she just zipped off in the sky and disappeared.

[521] beard.

[522] And around the house, after that point, we always had articles.

[523] There's an article.

[524] There's a cover of Life magazine with Marilyn Monroe, talked about flying saucers.

[525] It's a cover of look magazine with Elizabeth Taylor.

[526] It catalogs the Barney and Betty Hill incident.

[527] So whenever one of those articles come up, she always had that at home for me to read.

[528] So I kind of, I was interested it from, from then.

[529] And I've had four sightings myself, quite vivid.

[530] The first one was in Martha's Vineyard.

[531] It was four in the morning.

[532] I got up to take a leak.

[533] on the balcony there and I looked up in the sky and about 100 ,000 feet up.

[534] I saw two glowing disks flying an echelon formation.

[535] You saw this?

[536] I saw this.

[537] How old were you?

[538] I was I saw them in my 30s, yeah.

[539] And so I look up and I see these things and they're moving, man. They're going from horizon to rise and 20 ,000 miles an hour and I I've been in an F5.

[540] I've had it in my hands.

[541] I've been in a B -25.

[542] I know helicopters.

[543] I know aviation.

[544] I know meteoric bull rides.

[545] I know what's not a meteor and what is.

[546] I know what's a helicopter and what is.

[547] I know it's the moon and Venus.

[548] Two glowing, glowing round objects, 100 ,000 feet, maybe 20 ,000 miles an hour are they doing because they went across the sky, like just in a zigzag formation.

[549] So if I scream to my wife, my friends, they got out, the three of us saw it, and I said, you know, and they all knew it was something unusual.

[550] That was my first sighting.

[551] Okay, now, who knows?

[552] Okay, meteoric, bold ride.

[553] There are many people that can dispute that that wasn't real.

[554] But I know what I saw.

[555] I know what my friends saw.

[556] I know what my wife saw.

[557] Those things were moving.

[558] They were glowing fast, they were flying in formation, and they were doing enough speed to get from basically the right side of my eyes to the left side of my eyes really fast.

[559] The second one was, I was in, so that's four.

[560] I count those two as two.

[561] And then the second one that I saw, so the one, two, the third one I saw, I was, I was in Montreal, Canada.

[562] And I was on the 23rd floor of the Queen Elizabeth Hotel, and this would have been when we were doing patron.

[563] in Canada, the Patron Tequila promotion, and that was been in the early 2000s.

[564] And I looked up and beyond the window there and I saw this it just looked like an an air mattress turned over on its, you know, with the bubbles on the bottom.

[565] It was huge.

[566] It was 150 feet long, 50 feet wide, gray.

[567] It was a gray, rainy day in Montreal, broad daylight and here was this thing at the 23rd story of the hotel.

[568] And I'm looking at it and it moves slowly down St. Catherine Street.

[569] And I'm thinking, where are the wires?

[570] Where are the wires?

[571] It's got to be a balloon.

[572] It's got to be, there's no Thanksgiving Day parade here.

[573] What, what is that?

[574] And my friends are with me, what is that?

[575] And it come along and it just parked outside the window.

[576] We looked at it, big gray thing with these bulbs underneath.

[577] And then it slowly turned and we saw the full length of it.

[578] And then it went around the corner.

[579] We ran out on the hall and we just watched a drift kind of sideways off over the St. Lawrence River and disappear.

[580] Wow.

[581] Well, you know.

[582] Do people take pictures of this?

[583] No, we didn't get any pictures, and I don't know who else saw it.

[584] What year was this?

[585] In the 2000, let's see, five or six, something like that.

[586] And then the other people report it?

[587] No, I don't know.

[588] I should, I should have checked and seen in Montreal with the local Mufon.

[589] I think they have a representative up there.

[590] But it was vivid.

[591] We all saw it.

[592] And then the fourth one that I saw, I was on my motorcycle, leaving town to go at Kingston, Ontario, where I live there, and I was driving out of the farm gate.

[593] And I saw there's a power line that runs on the opposite farm there across the road.

[594] And I saw this winking red light just moving slowly along the top of the power pylons.

[595] And I thought, well, you know, helicopters did do that kind of work where they string power lines, but they don't really do it at night.

[596] I thought, that's got to be a chopper, a hydrochopper, like a hydro company chopper watching the power lines checking for faults.

[597] I don't know.

[598] And it goes along like this, and I'm watching it.

[599] And I stop the bike, you know, and I'm watching.

[600] And then it stops and makes a right angle turn and comes right at me. And so I turn on, I have a police motorcycle.

[601] So I turn on my wigwags, you know, like that.

[602] You have a police motorcycle?

[603] Of course.

[604] Why do you have a police motorcycle?

[605] I have a police equipment.

[606] Well, are you a cop?

[607] Damn, awkward.

[608] Imagine you getting pulled over by a blues brother?

[609] Wouldn't that be good?

[610] I've actually, I've actually had the experience of actually pulling some people about it.

[611] You pulled people over?

[612] Sure.

[613] Why'd you pull them over?

[614] You're a sheriff?

[615] Well, I was a reserve.

[616] Representative deputy sheriff.

[617] You and Ted Nuget.

[618] A reserve, a reserve, I must say.

[619] But I served under the first African -American sheriff in Hines County, Mississippi, in its history.

[620] Anyway, back to my sighting, the thing comes along.

[621] I put on the wigwags and the bike, and it stops above me, and it turns on a light.

[622] And I'm going, look, where's the rotorwop?

[623] Where's the wash?

[624] Come on.

[625] The helicopter at 3 ,000 feet, you can hear it.

[626] This thing's like 3, 400 feet above me. I'm looking at the thing.

[627] I'm thinking, where's the wash?

[628] Where's the, where's the, it looks like, it looks like helicopter.

[629] It's got to be a helicopter.

[630] Do I see a canopy?

[631] Do I see rings, rotors?

[632] Nothing.

[633] Just, just a mass of kind of metallic and lights and it just shines this light on me. And I turned the lights on the bike on and then turned them off.

[634] And then it winked the light off.

[635] And it just drifted out over the field and just drifted off like that.

[636] So.

[637] So you've had three different.

[638] And then one night.

[639] Well, one night, I was in bed, I was in bed with my wife.

[640] It was in the 1987 or so.

[641] And I woke bolt up right at three in the morning.

[642] I said, I've got to go outside.

[643] I've got to go outside.

[644] They're calling me. They're calling me. They want me to see.

[645] They want me to see.

[646] And she says, oh, go back to sleep.

[647] So I went back to sleep next day, all over the radio of upstate New York.

[648] They talked about a big pink spiral in the sky that had appeared to upstate northern, northeastern Ontario and upstate New York.

[649] And they were saying, oh, it was a Chinese rocket.

[650] What?

[651] out of a bottle rocket or the Chinese center rocket.

[652] This was the explanation that the media and the government was giving at the time.

[653] So those are my experiences right there.

[654] And that's how you got hooked.

[655] And then an interesting thing happened where I was doing a show called Out There Beyond Belief, and we were doing it over there for Bonnie Hammer over there at the sci -fi channel.

[656] And it was an interview show where I talked to Doug Meldrum, the Sasquatch expert, and all kinds of...

[657] I've talked to Doug.

[658] Yeah, I believe him.

[659] I believe him.

[660] He's passionate about it.

[661] I don't see why he's also a scientist.

[662] I talked to all those people, but the day that I had...

[663] You think Sasquatch is real?

[664] Yes, I do.

[665] I believe that there's got to be.

[666] It's just, do you know Gabrielle Reese, the Olympian?

[667] Sure.

[668] I've had to run the podcast.

[669] Have you?

[670] Have you talked about her Sasquatch experience?

[671] No. Now I need to talk to her again.

[672] She's so gigantic and beautiful.

[673] I would imagine that Sasquatch wanted a breed with her.

[674] Well, that's why.

[675] Apparently it shook a camper.

[676] that was she was up in upstate uh yeah big giant woman super athlete she was attacked her camper was attacked by when she tells that story yeah but where was i uh about the uh well we get back to the uh gabriel ries saskwatch i had interviewed all kinds of people on this show i had the day about uh my my show it was supposed to be a like it was supposed to be a yeah but was supposed to be a show on sci -fi channel an interview show where i'd interviewed everybody you know uh all the people in the in the field of crypto zoology and that and and and sci -fi and and science fiction and theory and UFOs.

[677] And I had Stephen Greer and Stephen Bassett on that same day.

[678] I've had Stephen Greer on the show too.

[679] Okay, so I interview Stephen Bassett.

[680] I'm about to interview Greer, and I get a call at about, like, noon, at our noon break, and they call and they say, your show's canceled.

[681] We won't get out of the studio by the end of the day, and we're not going to air anything that you've done.

[682] Stephen Greer, Stephen Bassett, Stephen Greer, the UFO show, it gets canceled that day.

[683] Now, maybe Ms. Hammer made a decision, you know, talk shows aren't really our thing, or acroids not really what we want on our network, or I don't know, was she called by someone or what, why that day when I was going to do this vivid, you know, UFO show that was going to go out on the air eventually?

[684] Why then did it get canceled?

[685] Well, how are the ratings?

[686] How are the ratings?

[687] Well, no, we never got to air.

[688] I did 26 of them and we never got to air.

[689] It never got to air?

[690] So you just filmed them and it never got?

[691] Did you guys do any wacky ones where they got the film and like, what are these crazy fuckers doing?

[692] Was there any of that?

[693] Like if you were a non -believer, non -UFO enthusiast.

[694] It was a pure interview show.

[695] I didn't show any footage.

[696] I just interviewed.

[697] Just talk to people.

[698] Yeah.

[699] So the day of my UFO show that I was going to do my big Stephen Greer and Stephen Batchett show, he got canceled.

[700] So, you know, there's...

[701] But do you think that they would...

[702] Listen, sci -fi is all about those shows.

[703] I mean, I watched an episode of sci -fi where there's a bunch of people that claimed to be trapped in a cabin in Maine because werewolves were outside.

[704] It's just like it's, they're into nonsense.

[705] They don't do talk shows.

[706] I did a show on sci -fi.

[707] Talk show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

[708] How long did it last?

[709] Not very long, but part of that was my idea.

[710] I didn't want to keep doing it.

[711] It worked for Bonnie Hammer.

[712] No, it was different people back then.

[713] She's one of the smartest executives in the industry, and I don't doubt that she'll be running NBC someday or all of Universal.

[714] But I just, I would always like to know what happened.

[715] Did someone call you Bonnie in?

[716] and say, you know, don't bring this up now.

[717] I don't know.

[718] I don't think anyone's going to call people about UFOs.

[719] I mean, if they're going to make phone calls, they're going to, you know, take out Don Lemon or something because he talks shit about Trump.

[720] They're not going to, you know what I mean?

[721] Yeah, I guess so.

[722] Yeah, maybe she just doesn't make sense.

[723] I don't know.

[724] I'd always like to know what happened.

[725] UFOs are openly discredited by normal people.

[726] People dismiss them.

[727] Well, not entirely, though.

[728] Half the world believes.

[729] If you look at the work of Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, New York Times reporters, they're credibly reporting this stuff.

[730] Barney and Betty Hill, the state.

[731] of New Hampshire has certified their has certified their experience with a plaque.

[732] You can go to the place where they were allegedly abducted and the state of New Hampshire has UFO incident right there.

[733] We both know that that doesn't mean anything.

[734] It doesn't mean it happened.

[735] Well, it means it's a state certified or state recognized paranormal experience.

[736] You can get anything certified in New Hampshire.

[737] That's a goofy place.

[738] Well, I don't shout out to New Hampshire.

[739] Adam Sandler comes from there.

[740] That's one.

[741] He's a definitely a national treasure.

[742] There it is.

[743] There it is.

[744] Betty and Barney Hill incident.

[745] Isn't that great?

[746] I mean, wow, like a state certified and also another state certified.

[747] Oh, 61.

[748] 61.

[749] It was right around the time that was a couple months before Kennedy was shot, right?

[750] Wasn't he shot in November?

[751] 63 for him, right?

[752] Yeah, oh, was it 63?

[753] Yeah, 63 and that wasn't 47.

[754] Yeah, but there you go.

[755] There you go.

[756] There you go.

[757] So look at that.

[758] A couple Betty and Barney Hill experience a close encounter with a nine down five flying.

[759] And then in Marfa, Texas.

[760] You heard of the Marfa lights?

[761] No, I have not The Marfa lights are these anomalous, and that's a state kind of recognized paranormal mystery, too, mysterious Marfa lights.

[762] They have a kind of a picnic area where you can watch them at night.

[763] No one knows what they are.

[764] They appear every night, and they bounce around on the horizon, they go up and down and back and forth.

[765] People say all their headlights from different cars on the highway, but the Air Force, the state police, they've all tried to figure out what they are, and they just don't know what the Marfa lights are.

[766] And they're recognized by the state of Texas as a paranormal event.

[767] But I like your skeptical view.

[768] Yes, I do.

[769] Yeah, bald lightning is a real thing that's created by pressure inside the tectonic plates.

[770] But every night consistently going back and forth in symmetrical patterns.

[771] But, I mean, every night, can we go there tonight and go film it?

[772] Yes, we could.

[773] 100%.

[774] Absolutely.

[775] Really?

[776] Yep, Marfa lights.

[777] How many videos of the Marfa lights are available?

[778] Go ahead.

[779] Marfa, Texas, M -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -R -A -R -E -A -R -E -A -R -E -A -R -E -A -R -E -E -A -R -E -E -E -R -E -E -E -L -E -E -E -E -R -E -E -E -E -R -E.

[780] over the hill.

[781] Well, that's what they say.

[782] In the Air Force and the police, they've looked in there, they've done surveys, they've done geodetic surveys.

[783] What is it?

[784] Is it gas?

[785] Is it what?

[786] What do they think it is?

[787] What's the official explanation?

[788] No one knows.

[789] Mystery lights, that state of Texas has a little plaque them are for mystery lights.

[790] Enjoy them because they're there.

[791] They're going to be there tonight.

[792] Six p .m. 2 in the morning.

[793] Really?

[794] Every night?

[795] Every night.

[796] Every night.

[797] Every night.

[798] Get a place out there.

[799] Every night.

[800] Smoke weed and stare at the sky.

[801] Is there any UFO sightings that you think are nonsense?

[802] Is there any like mainstream ones that you listen to?

[803] And you're like, I'm not buying that one.

[804] Well, all the people that I've talked to that have had sightings and have that experience seem very genuine, I don't know that anyone has been, I don't know anyone that's been blown out publicly that I would doubt.

[805] I mean, can you think of one?

[806] I don't know.

[807] I believe the Alagash boys, Calvin Parker down there in Mississippi, the past, a gulah incident i mean again their their lives were severely negatively affected by these experiences right but they didn't know whether or not that was going to be the case when they reported on it a lot of people do silly things that negatively affect their life yeah and they don't they're not aware they don't they're not future tellers there's a there he was he says that the alien appeared at his back screen porch door he's in color colorado do you know that gentleman uh he says that the do you have balls deep in this man you know all this guy i i don't really i don't know if i believe him because no yeah colorado uh alien at the back door i don't seem right i just looked i don't know if i believe him or not it's just like like he was fabricating there that guy i'm sure there's a lot of people fabricating things and i'm also sure there's a lot of people that believe they're telling a true story but in fact they're schizophrenic or they have some issues or there's i think there's a lot of that going you know billy mire was was doubted for sure i know what do you think about him the pictures are so vivid and the pleiating lady in story so vivid i don't i don't i mean uh billy mire uh you can put billy mire ufo uh photos where's he's he was a swiss yeah we have his book that was that somebody came to the comedy store and gave me with the big big pictures of it yeah there isn't that isn't that widely well they say well look at the one by the pine tree they're going they're going oh he attached the saucer to the pine tree i already threw it in the air and took a picture of it okay well that's one theory but wasn't it you know didn't they do that just to show the scale of their ship and some of those photos are pretty pretty convincing i don't know and okay if you want to say doubt who keeps taking awesome pictures of UFOs i'm not buying it well again you know if there was anyone that i had doubt because so much doubt has been thrown his way that's pretty pretty i mean how do you well i suppose with photoshop but bruce mackabee i believe is bruce mackabes analyzed these he wrote this book he says they're real right but a guy who's book on UFOs is analyzing UFO pictures saying they're real.

[808] This guy wants to believe.

[809] But Bruce Maccabee is a doctor and he's a science.

[810] He's a, he worked for the naval Eric.

[811] I want to talk to his ex -girlfriends.

[812] See if he's full of shit.

[813] So you know what I'm saying?

[814] Like, like you could say all these positive things about people.

[815] Yeah, he was he worked for the Navy.

[816] He was the, he's the expert.

[817] Well, he's the expert.

[818] He said, that's the Gucci version.

[819] Yeah, look at that.

[820] Yeah, look at those balls.

[821] That's a bling, bling.

[822] Those are the pinballs.

[823] That would, if you had an Instagram account and you were an alien That's the one But I think he did a photo He did a photo analysis And he said that Bruce believes the real And I believe Bruce If you read this book here He's the real thing Like what Stanton was the real thing Bruce McAbee's the real thing Because there are scientists Who are doing You know Very very thorough And close inquiry on the matter So if you ask me who I doubt Maybe I don't know Billy Meyer I don't know I don't know Yeah he took too many Yeah If you had like three It's like a glut It's like too much chocolate Yeah come on bro that's all you're doing you're out there and they just come to you why don't you set up a camera crew 24 seven for a couple weeks and uh let's Stephen Greer uses lasers he points them up to the sky and and kind of attracts them that way yeah you know he's yeah well he and his wife and daughters have said that if you know they've sat out and watch these things come and go in north Carolina at their house but people saying that something happened and something actually happened but his thing is about UFOs he's made documentaries about about UFOs.

[824] His business is he knows a lot about UFOs.

[825] What you want to Greer, I'm not buying it.

[826] What you want is, you want the Sam, you want the, you want the, uh, you want the Herb Shermer story.

[827] What's the Herb Shermer story?

[828] Nebraska Highway Patrolman on patrol sees a flash of light in the Ashland oil refinery near Nebraska, a flash of light and oil refinery in the broad dilate, not a good thing, could be a fire, goes up, not into UFOs, highway patrolman, goes up, he was taken into a ship and deposited.

[829] He's one of the famous ones.

[830] So no agenda there.

[831] Didn't want to tell a story.

[832] Again, got into trouble for him.

[833] Here's the thing.

[834] Herb Schumer.

[835] Herb Schermer.

[836] H -H -R -M -E -R.

[837] No disrespect to Herb.

[838] But some cops are crooked.

[839] They steal people's money.

[840] Some cops rape people.

[841] Some cops pull people over for nothing.

[842] Some people shoot people for non -existing crimes.

[843] There's a lot of people that just happen to be police officers that are also full of shit.

[844] That's a lot of people.

[845] are foolish yet that's true but i i you know again here he is he's a guy why would he say that the evidence the other one is where's his evidence well his evidence is anecdotal like a lot of it but that's a problem right well the phoenix the phoenix lights there's there's video of that's a different one that's a different story um moni zamora z a mora he was a new mexico highway patrolman he said a saucer landed nisot land and dan acroyd everybody wants to be special and one of the best ways to be special is for you to have a special moment with some special creatures from a special place and no one else can recognize whether or not you're telling the truth or not telling the truth right talk about this and everybody wants to listen and they listen to you they're totally fixated on everything you like to say well how about how about pervas jafari pervez jafari okay he's ayes jafari he was an iranian uh air force pilot he still lives in iran he's does many lectures and he did the famous uh it's the iranian terran UFO site he chased a ufo in his jet and the thing turned off all the electronics and the jet, and he said this thing was moving.

[846] How about General De Brewer?

[847] Well, how about David Fraver?

[848] I don't know him.

[849] He's the guy that they were talking about on the Bob Lazard documentary.

[850] He experienced something that flew exactly like the Lazar ones.

[851] I'm going to talk to him soon.

[852] And he, incredibly credible and, you know, military accolades.

[853] He's a very well -respected guy, and he's never had any other fantastical sort of stories that he's told.

[854] I can't wait to talk to him about this.

[855] Yeah, Pavraz Jafari's a good guest, too.

[856] You should get him out.

[857] And then there's the guy who flew the Alaskan, you know, the Japan Airlines flight with all the wine on it.

[858] And the UFOs above Alaska, it circled them several times.

[859] That's a famous story.

[860] I'd get a bottle of that wine.

[861] Yeah, that would be, yeah.

[862] So Alaska Airlines siting.

[863] That's another one.

[864] So, no, but I like your view.

[865] You are not going to sit here and say, oh, it's all true.

[866] I'm accepting it all.

[867] It's too easy.

[868] All I give you here today, from my experience, is the ones that I believe.

[869] And that's Betty and Betty Hill, Travis Walton.

[870] Oh, gosh, boys.

[871] Yeah, Betty and Barney Hill are a really interesting one because also there wasn't a precedent.

[872] Betty and Barney Hill in 1961, there wasn't a bunch of people that were talking about these things happening to them.

[873] And since then, there have been very many that were really similar, very similar.

[874] And it makes you wonder.

[875] Because here's, but this is what I want to say to people that are skeptical, and of course I'm skeptical.

[876] That's why I'm knocking holes in these things.

[877] Yeah.

[878] But if that, if it did happen and you were left alone to try to explain to people, something that is incredibly unique, very few people ever experience it, it would be so hard to get people to believe you.

[879] Well, that's why you have to go to a professional.

[880] But even there's no such thing.

[881] You know, well, John Mack.

[882] Professional means you make money doing it.

[883] It means you studied it and you make money doing it.

[884] There's not a single fucking human being on this planet that's a professional explorer of other worlds, right?

[885] There's not a single person on this planet that is a professional expert on alien civilization.

[886] It could tell you everything they need to know.

[887] I know more about French, about the French language than anyone that's ever lived knows about alien civilizations.

[888] And I don't know shit about French.

[889] Do you know what I'm saying?

[890] Yep.

[891] I know it's a real place.

[892] I know France is a real place and French is a real language.

[893] And I could say poly vu franca, that's more than anybody can explain about any civilization on some other planet.

[894] You've got to take the credentials of the people who report these things.

[895] And I do, I do, but their credentials are entirely terrestrial.

[896] They are.

[897] That's right.

[898] No. You know, UFOs, generals, pilots, and on UFOs go on the record, that's Leslie Keen's book.

[899] And there's some pretty compelling, you know, stories.

[900] Do you remember Arsenio Hall when you had that thing you would do, things that make you go, hmm?

[901] Hundreds in states see Flying Saucers, Indianapolis News.

[902] You know, anyway, this is a neat book by Bruce.

[903] I believe Bruce was the real thing.

[904] I believe Stanton is the real thing.

[905] I listen, Jay Allen Heinek is one of the more interesting characters to me because he ran Project Blue Book.

[906] He ran Project Blue Book and his directive was to debunk these stories.

[907] Whether or not they were credible, he was, his directive was to say, that's a weather balloon, that's a star.

[908] This is a swamp gas.

[909] that was his directive but then when he left project blue book he said listen these things are real yeah 20 % of sightings are unexplained yeah he said these things are real and when you when you talk to a man like that who's living was in debunking these things and then after it was all over he was compelled to communicate with the american public that there was a real situation going going on there is um and he's he's really interesting to me and ken arnold his sighting is pretty compelling.

[910] Sure.

[911] So I think, I don't think they want to form a relationship with us.

[912] I think they're coming and going like taxis and they have been since the beginning of the existence of life on this planet or the existence of this planet.

[913] Do you think they engineered human beings?

[914] Well, that Mission to Mars movie is one of NASA's favorite movies.

[915] I think maybe they might have.

[916] A mission to Mars movies.

[917] A mission to Mars, Tim Robbins, really good picture.

[918] It's a doc, it's a feature.

[919] It's a feature.

[920] It's a feature.

[921] It's a feature.

[922] Yeah.

[923] Mission to Mars.

[924] What's it about?

[925] It's about the mission to Mars and them discovering there was a civilization there and that perhaps we were helped along in our development.

[926] What year was this around?

[927] 2000.

[928] I'm not sure mission 10 ,000.

[929] Really?

[930] Really good.

[931] Oh, I remember.

[932] It was like a horror movie.

[933] Here's the, uh, Maryland Monroe.

[934] Yes, I saw that movie.

[935] Maryland Row.

[936] There's a case for interplanetary saucers that was in Life magazine.

[937] Okay, I remember this movie now.

[938] Was that a good movie?

[939] It was.

[940] It was really good.

[941] In the end, Tim Robbins kind of floats off in space.

[942] There's been a few astronauts that got really deep into UFOs, right?

[943] Edgar Mitchell was one of them.

[944] Well, I have an interesting story for you, and this is, of course, totally anecdotal, and it's part of the lore.

[945] And, um, may I, we have, you want another drink?

[946] Hell yeah.

[947] Okay, so.

[948] Do you want to drink?

[949] Oh, we?

[950] Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

[951] I do believe that we actually rent to the moon.

[952] I, I don't believe that, um, I don't believe, uh, that, uh, that's a fake, uh, I, you know, some people say, oh, well, it was black and the dust didn't, the dust flew up and it wouldn't it wouldn't uh crystal had vodka cleanest vodka in the planet anyway so i believe the one and and and you know i've buzz alder and a good friend of mine love as a good friend of everybody's but i love buzz and um so they go to the moon and i love that story about there was only 17 seconds of fuel left when they when they landed and then he had to kind of hop over some rocks to get there you know um so there's a story that neal armstrong was at a conference in France in a hotel room and one and there was a woman there who had been previously head of MI6 and she was a part of this cocktail party and she overheard a conversation between Neil Armstrong and another gentleman who was in the intelligence service and the guy was asking him about the moon landing and Neil said you know there was a frequency that we switched to to talk about other things that were happening at that time and the guy said what do you mean he said when we landed there on the rim of the crater nearby he said there were several ships and they were large and menacing what's a menacing ship shaped like one of your bottles of skulls well no that no this is a happy skull no the conehead starship remember the conehead star ship i do remember that so i mean that's a total but i think you know if that if the alarm if that's true you know well well he only said that one time in French.

[953] Maybe they, we, maybe their translation sucks.

[954] Again, the woman, do you want to, oh, I'm going to have a straight, right?

[955] The woman, the woman was with MI6, purportedly.

[956] That's kind of a neat story.

[957] Of course it's a neat story.

[958] Edgar Mitchell said that he saw something out there too, right?

[959] Edgar Mitchell did.

[960] He's a, he's passed away.

[961] Condon.

[962] He's passed away since, right?

[963] Yeah, yeah.

[964] No, there were.

[965] He was a firm believer.

[966] And then the STS -1979, STS space shuttle footage.

[967] You've seen that.

[968] St .S. 1979, tether, satellite tether break.

[969] Oh, I have seen that.

[970] Yeah, the tether broke off.

[971] It was a mile long, and they were supposed to spin off a satellite.

[972] It was a mile long, and it broke.

[973] So the tether is a mile long.

[974] But in the back of the tether, you see these o -lifesaver -shaped rings going back and forth.

[975] Well, David Sereda says that's a species that was trying to help the planet, and they were bringing giant water bags and giant, giant water vessels to heal our ozone layer.

[976] It was the STS -1979, Space Shuttle, Tether.

[977] Water heals ozone layers?

[978] Water, yeah, water, water, water, to big, big massive, massive dumps of water.

[979] These were supposed to be, these O -shaped, lifesaver -shaped UFO figures.

[980] And then what he did was he compared them against the length of the tether, which was a mile long, and said these things would have had to have been, you know, quite large.

[981] Now that's David Serreta.

[982] You should have him on.

[983] He's a brilliant euphologist.

[984] and theorist and STS Space Shuttle 1979 And then Lonnie Zamora You should also check And Herb Shermer S -C -H -I -R -M -A -R And Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal You know This is just a piece of paper But there's a video footage There you go Evidence for Exeter and Plasms In the Thermosphere There we go There 10 separate Nassal Space Shuttle Mesh is over 200 miles above the Earth Within the thermosphere The structures appear to be self -illuminated Maybe several meters or kilometers in size and have four distinct morphologies.

[985] What is this, what's the title of this?

[986] Who's this from?

[987] Emeritus Brain Research Laboratory, Northern California, Cosmology .com.

[988] I've never seen that.

[989] That's pretty neat.

[990] I don't know.

[991] It just stumbled across it.

[992] It may be bullshit.

[993] Ron Joseph, PhD, Center for Cosmology, Silicon Valley, California.

[994] The normal subject.

[995] But there is video footage.

[996] There is video, the tether.

[997] The video is weird.

[998] And someone described it as ice crystals.

[999] And they said the perspective.

[1000] is what's screwing everybody up as the ice crystals are between us and the cable but it makes it look like they're enormous but they're actually quite small.

[1001] I think I think at this point we can accept that these ships are real that they're advanced.

[1002] Can we?

[1003] Yes, we can't.

[1004] I think we can accept that there's just so many, so much footage, so many reports.

[1005] Ted Phillips has trace evidence so many landing sites, so many, I think we'd accept they're real.

[1006] I think we accept these beings are real.

[1007] There are many different species.

[1008] Some are benevolent to us.

[1009] Some are malevolent.

[1010] What we have to get past is, okay, now that we know that, how will that help human transformation?

[1011] Now, John Mack, at the session I was at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute, a woman got up and she said, I was a socialite in Massachusetts.

[1012] All I cared about was money and spending money and where I could go and spend money and buying things.

[1013] And one afternoon, I was in my garden and an orange orb came into the garden and a figure got out and lectured me. You have so much power, just like the guy in the sailboat.

[1014] you can make this planet a better place.

[1015] Your obligation now is to use your power and your wealth to make this planet a better place.

[1016] And she is now one of the leading environmentalists on the planet.

[1017] She devotes her money and time to this.

[1018] What's her name?

[1019] I don't know her name.

[1020] I don't remember her name.

[1021] But Jan Harzan, I do know his name.

[1022] He's head of Mufon.

[1023] And why is Jan Harzan an IBM, X IBM, mainframe engineer, head of Mufant?

[1024] Because when he was a boy in Marin County, California, he, his brother were left for the weekend he was 10 and 12 year old brother and he was 10 an orange orb dropped into his backyard and two beings got out and played with them for several hours and then he came back the next day and jan said i have to go into science i got to know what that was that wasn't a helicopter that wasn't a have you had jan on have you have yeah i have jan on and you should have you should have you should have beverly trout on she's the um she's the midwestern one of the directors from the Midwest.

[1025] Sam Maranto, the expert on the Tinley Park cases, which that is so great.

[1026] I want to just point out that Dan Aykroy has no notes in front of them.

[1027] These notes are, these words are just flying out of his head.

[1028] These names are deeply ingrained in his memory.

[1029] The Tinley Park, I mean, Delta is parking above your family barbecue, you know.

[1030] So it's entertaining.

[1031] We've got to get past that they exist and get to the point of how do we benefit our planet?

[1032] How do we make this planet better?

[1033] How do we take these warnings?

[1034] The day the Earth stood still, one of the greatest UFO movies ever.

[1035] Oh, yeah.

[1036] He comes down and he says, You know, these nuclear toys you're playing with, we don't like that, you know.

[1037] So I think that there's some intervention.

[1038] Clatu Barada, Nictu.

[1039] Clatu Barada Nictu.

[1040] Patricia Neal, what a great movie, man. That's an inaugural movie, yeah.

[1041] What year was that?

[1042] Have you shown your children that movie yet?

[1043] No, not yet.

[1044] You should show your girls out.

[1045] That was in the 50s.

[1046] Yeah, that's a great one because it really took the real science of what was going on.

[1047] And it took all of the stories that were reported in Bruce's book here and kind of distilled them into, you know, into a theory of what might be happened.

[1048] How much of your day do you spend thinking about this?

[1049] Well, I am an eternal researcher, and I'm always looking for stories.

[1050] I love the Mufon stuff that's coming out.

[1051] You know, my family was into paranormal research.

[1052] That's why I wrote the Ghostbusters.

[1053] My dad was a researcher and his father.

[1054] That's why you wrote Ghostbusters?

[1055] Yeah, because we have an old farm in Canada, and my grandfather was a dentist in Kingston, Ontario in the 20s, and a man walked up to him.

[1056] He had been researching, psychic research in the other world and mediumship for many years, and a guy walked up to him and said, Mr. Dr. Ackroyd, I believe that I have a gift.

[1057] And his name was Walter Ashurst.

[1058] He was a locomotive mechanic at the local engine works.

[1059] And he was our family medium for, for at least, I don't know, 15 years.

[1060] And we would have, we would have seances in the 20s and 30s and Sunday afternoon.

[1061] The big Dodges and Cadillacs would pull up and the women, the matrons would get out.

[1062] And my great -grandfather would have a 90 -minute session with the media.

[1063] and they would channel entities from the other side.

[1064] Have you heard of the Fox Sisters and the whole Lillydale thing, the whole mediumship of the concept that we are, that life lives beyond what we have here?

[1065] Do you know who John Edwards is the psychic on television?

[1066] Isn't he full of shit?

[1067] No, he's very tough.

[1068] Didn't he get busted?

[1069] No, he's, well, you know, what happens sometimes?

[1070] I think he got busted.

[1071] Well, he may. See if John Edwards, the psychic got busted.

[1072] He was, he had some, well, maybe, you know, sometimes what happens is they, you know, they lose their powers and they are unable to or they're full of shit the entire time they just get slippery john edwards though i i watched the show i kind of i kind of believed him i'm not sure if he was the one that got busted one of those one of those psychics got busted yeah so i'd like to see you across from pend Gillette yeah of course no he would talk to him uh well he's an expert debunker of all this stuff yeah super skeptical i would love to i'd love to have i'd love to have pen jillette tell me what he thinks of the fox sisters why why they went around the world with a spirit that performed with them a rapping what happened well a spirit wrapped a spirit wrapped yeah what kind of raping yeah well not not like yeah oh i thought you meant like music reverberant rapping yeah no i'd love to i'd love to you know so so spirit rapper medium ship that's that's a very that's a very that's a very big thing i i i yeah uh insane clown posse or yeah slip not there we, but I, I believe that we, the consciousness can survive after death.

[1073] There's a school called Arthur Finley College in England and you can go there and train to be a medium.

[1074] Why you'd want to, I don't, I don't know.

[1075] It's very exhausting.

[1076] Can you imagine shutting down your whole system, going into an entranse, reaching the other side, having that entity come through the other side, use your body, use your fluids, use everything, and then abandon you after and then just go, it's exhausting, exhausting.

[1077] But my family research mediumship and I wrote Ghostbusters, upon, you know, it's just our family interest.

[1078] On the Fox sisters, the Fox sisters, you should get them up.

[1079] There's a picture of them foxes.

[1080] In 1848, they were lying in bed in their new house near Hidesville, New York, and all of a sudden this kind of rapping started, terrifying them.

[1081] They thought it was confined just to that house in Hidesville, but they managed to take it around.

[1082] When they went to Rochester, it happened in houses.

[1083] When they went to a theater, it happened in front of three, four hundred people.

[1084] And eventually they toured the world with this.

[1085] act they called it the peddler and he was uh someone who was killed and murdered and buried in the house uh in the basement is john edwards a hoser your pop -off there they are john edwards i looked him up it didn't come up necessarily there they were they were they were all they were all and they were they were all and they were all and they were producing tables and uh and uh and uh look at them that's a drawing they're not even real people they never existed no they did they were they were and they were very well scrutinized maggie in the end of her life said no we were we were producing these reverberant wraps.

[1086] Why do they have a head?

[1087] What is that?

[1088] Is that them?

[1089] I don't know what that's that.

[1090] No, what that's sad.

[1091] That's now out of my realm.

[1092] There's something about mean -faced ladies from like the 1800s to scare the shit out of them.

[1093] Yeah, there's the, there's the cottage.

[1094] It was just such a hard time to be alive.

[1095] That's the cottage that had occurred in.

[1096] And, you know, they said it was the ghost of the peddler that was murdered in the basement.

[1097] And they looked down, they did find some bones.

[1098] But every time they tried to build the groundwater, a dig for the bones, the groundwater kept filling up.

[1099] Anyway, Maggie at the end of her life said, no, no, we were faking it.

[1100] I was creating the raps.

[1101] Oh, Maggie said she was faking it.

[1102] Maggie said she was faking it.

[1103] But she said, I was creating the wraps.

[1104] These reverberated in concert halls with my knees and my knuckles.

[1105] You know, I can crack my knuckles maybe in my knees.

[1106] But you can't make up.

[1107] They were slapsies.

[1108] They were wrappings.

[1109] That's what she said?

[1110] Yep.

[1111] And then she recanted it and said, the skeptics, you know, made me do it.

[1112] I was talked into it.

[1113] There was so much pressure on me. And in the end of her life, she then recanted her recantion, her retraction of it.

[1114] But very convincing that was the origin of spirituality.

[1115] People were looking for a new religion.

[1116] You had Mormonism that had come in in the 20s.

[1117] You had all kinds of Protestantism.

[1118] That area of New York was called the Burnt Over District because the preachers had all been through there.

[1119] People were believing in all kinds of different religion.

[1120] They were looking for something new and spirituality and spiritualism gave them that.

[1121] But, you know, I've had people contact me that have passed in dreams.

[1122] Um, I've never seen a ghost.

[1123] I've never, you know, experienced that.

[1124] But I, I, I do believe that consciousness survives after death.

[1125] I, I, I, I do believe that.

[1126] It's an interesting idea.

[1127] There's no evidence that it doesn't.

[1128] You know, I, I think that reincarnation is also a fascinating concept that's repeated in many different cultures.

[1129] And I wonder why.

[1130] You know, there's a great Tyler Childers, uh, song called Born Again.

[1131] And, uh, it's, it's about things, living and dying and being reincarnated in different times.

[1132] I think that's very attractive to people.

[1133] The idea that our physical body is one thing, but the spiritual body is something entirely different.

[1134] Well, I think that, you know, atheists...

[1135] It's attractive.

[1136] It is attractive.

[1137] Atheists are never going to believe that.

[1138] They're not going to accept that.

[1139] It's hopeful.

[1140] It gives us a little hope.

[1141] And after all, you know, the Kyrlyans, they...

[1142] Who is that?

[1143] They were a Russian research group.

[1144] They're famous for the...

[1145] The experiment where the Kirleian photography, K -I -R -L -I -N, and you want a little citrus?

[1146] They photographed a woman.

[1147] She sat there and she was able to blow smoke into a fishbowl and shape the smoke in the fishbowl.

[1148] So here are some Kirleian images.

[1149] They photographed oras.

[1150] And they did photograph, they did, you know, 21 grams.

[1151] It's supposed to be the weight of the soul.

[1152] And they photographed a guy dying And they claimed to have photographed his aura Leaving his body Yeah Yeah All these claims Is there a photograph of this photograph of her I don't know of atomic weight Of the soul 21 grams And of Kirleyan photo of dying man I don't know But there you saw the oras The photographs there Why would the soul have weight If it doesn't have a physical embodiment Yeah well energy Energy mass energy Electricity doesn't have any weight does it What's going Well I don't know if it did it acts as a certain force there's certainly a force there's got that's that's an interesting question but mass is what right what reacts to scales gravity yeah right i mean well electrons you know there's a mass there there's an atomic mass atomic weight 21 grams seems like a lot it does it does seem like a lot yeah fat ass soul but uh but the the culeans were yeah they were they were that that would be a fat soul yeah remember they made a movie about you're into everything man You're into ghosts, you're into Bigfoot, you're into aliens, UFO abductions, everything.

[1153] Well, it's entertaining.

[1154] I'm an entertainer.

[1155] Yes, it is entertaining.

[1156] And I feel like an alien.

[1157] You're remarkably sane for somebody who holds all of these different things inside their head.

[1158] I don't know.

[1159] My family would maybe say not, but...

[1160] Do you smoke pot?

[1161] You know, I'm allergic to terpenes.

[1162] I love the cannabis story.

[1163] Terpenes are an oil that, you know, it's in everything.

[1164] You know, it's like lemony.

[1165] Pot?

[1166] Terpenes.

[1167] What if you have good pot and you're smoking good by, what you're smoking in the turpene, that's what gives it its power.

[1168] Turpines give pot its power?

[1169] Yeah, well, it's part of the element.

[1170] I thought it's THC.

[1171] Well, it's an oil.

[1172] Turpines is the is an oil that's in there in all, in all marijuana.

[1173] So you're allergic to marijuana?

[1174] I'm allergic to the turpines.

[1175] The cannabinoid, I, my dad is on the cannabis oil right now to go to sleep.

[1176] He's 97 years old.

[1177] I everybody has Yeah everybody has Cannabis cannabinoid receptors in them It is a tremendously healing A thing There's the turpene There's a chart Yeah Turpene benefits marijuana turpines Yeah so somehow Look at all that stuff Yeah look at now you know And different breeders will put something My partner and friend Jimmy Belushi has a farm in Oregon He grows it And he's researching it Oh he's a dirty drug addict He's up there selling drugs to people People, Jim Belushi, pushing trucks.

[1178] Well, it's legal now in Oregon.

[1179] Brother John, selling drugs.

[1180] Well, the point is that if John had been a pot head, he'd be alive today.

[1181] Sure.

[1182] Because he died of a cocaine and heroin, speedball injection.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] If I had him smoking pot bear there in the vineyard, like, you know, back then, he would, he would be alive today.

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] So I believe.

[1187] My generation of comedians or potheads.

[1188] Well, you know what?

[1189] I hear Seth Rogen's office at Columbia, pictures had to be defumed and defogged when he left.

[1190] I gave him Stoner of the Year award one day.

[1191] Yeah.

[1192] With one of the High Times awards, I presented him.

[1193] Well, cannabis is tremendously valuable.

[1194] We're finding if you take the THC out and put the CBD in there, that's great for arthritis and that.

[1195] I like the smell of weed.

[1196] You just can't smell.

[1197] It doesn't bother me. It's just, it just bothers me a certain way.

[1198] You should go to an hour just to get that cured.

[1199] Well, sure, sure.

[1200] So I rely on the beverage alcohol.

[1201] What about psychedelics?

[1202] Have you ever had psychedelic experiences?

[1203] Oh, yes.

[1204] I've taken acid and psilocybin and mescaline.

[1205] Have you ever had any of some sort of encounters while on psilocybin?

[1206] One of the things that makes me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials is some of the experiences that I've had on tryptomines.

[1207] You know, particularly dimethylptamine, but.

[1208] Also, psilocybin is...

[1209] That's way...

[1210] DMT goes way back for me. That goes back to high school.

[1211] How long back is that?

[1212] What you meant?

[1213] For me?

[1214] The DMT, yeah, I mean...

[1215] Last time it was a year and a half ago?

[1216] In a controlled situation?

[1217] Tell me about your experience.

[1218] I'd be interested in it.

[1219] It's kind of a little speedy.

[1220] This is a, that's a DMT tattoo.

[1221] That's a DMT molecule.

[1222] Oh, okay, yeah.

[1223] I've had a bunch of them.

[1224] They're finding...

[1225] It's healing for mental health.

[1226] They're finding that it has a great...

[1227] A fact as a palliative.

[1228] A profound alleviation of anxiety.

[1229] There you go.

[1230] Because it transforms your perception of where you stand in the world.

[1231] And it's an absolute ego dissolver.

[1232] You are confronted with experiences that defied logic.

[1233] And one of the things that, this is interesting, one of the things that shied me away from UFOs was DMT.

[1234] Because?

[1235] Because it was so profound.

[1236] It was so crazy that if a UFO landed right in front of my house, I'd be like, yeah, it's not DMT, though.

[1237] Because DMT was a completely different dimension, and there were things there.

[1238] Then one of the things that's...

[1239] You were in a controlled environment.

[1240] Yes.

[1241] You were friends?

[1242] Yes.

[1243] But one of the things about...

[1244] Were you in nature?

[1245] Seated in the house.

[1246] In my house.

[1247] And you took how much?

[1248] Well, you take three giant hits.

[1249] Who makes that stuff?

[1250] I can't tell you all.

[1251] That's not something you can buy.

[1252] They shut down your sci -fi show for talking about aliens.

[1253] No, no. That's right.

[1254] DMT has some, there's some prejudice against it, and you can't get that at the drugstore.

[1255] It's in thousands of plants.

[1256] It's literally in almost every plant in nature.

[1257] In fact, the, one of the universities in Israel believes that it was responsible for the burning bush that Moses got the Ten Commandments from.

[1258] Yeah.

[1259] They think that burning bush was actually the acacia tree, and the acacia tree is rich in DMT.

[1260] And it burst into flame and he inhaled the vapor.

[1261] Exactly.

[1262] They think that this, well, they think that this is just a problem with translation, is that this, what this idea of the burning bush like oh there was a burning bush well maybe or maybe they figured out a way to extract the dimethyltryptamine from the acacia tree or this bush acacia bush as well and that they took this small amount of dimethythotryptamine from this fire and inhaled it and had this profound religious experience like i've experienced like many people who experience that have taken it and i think that one thing that happens when you do this is you're confronted with entities.

[1263] Now, I don't know what these things are, but they seem to be communicating with you, and they seem to be talking to you, and they seem to know everything about you.

[1264] So the question is, like, is that really your subconscious?

[1265] Is this, is this, you know, what you know about yourself stripped down to some very bare, raw form, and then confronted with the psychedelics that perturb your visual cortex, so they provide you with all these intense visualizations?

[1266] Or, is it a chemical portal to another dimension were they effulgent beings light beings or the way I described is there are complex geometric patterns made out of love and understanding and that they're communicating with you sounds like you know H .P. Lovecraft was a wonderful writer and he describes in time machine no that was H .D. Wells but H .B. Lovecraft he wrote the Cthulhu the Dunnich Horror and the books about Cthus That's right, the Coutulu and he kind of walked out of his life and disappeared from his family and all that.

[1267] Where did he go?

[1268] Well, they kind of went out for cigarettes and kind of never came back.

[1269] No one ever found him?

[1270] Well, no, I think they found him, but he had vanished for a while.

[1271] HP Lovecraft, maybe look up a grave or the demise.

[1272] But, but you know, he wrote about geometric shapes.

[1273] He wrote about interdimensional geometric shapes and getting to a space where you saw the universe in terms of geometry and diamond -shaped things and multi -pattern, you know, multi -pattern.

[1274] and colors.

[1275] Do you know the artist Alex Gray?

[1276] Do you know who he is?

[1277] Alex Gray is a beautiful artist.

[1278] I mean, amazing guy.

[1279] And he, all of his stuff is triptamine -based artwork.

[1280] Pull up some Alex Gray stuff so he could see it.

[1281] It literally, when you see it, you go, oh, that, I recognize that.

[1282] I recognize the...

[1283] How long was your voyage?

[1284] All of them are about 15 minutes to 20 minutes long, depending upon...

[1285] This is all Alex Gray stuff.

[1286] Oh, beautiful.

[1287] Look at that.

[1288] Pull up the one, with that one down on the very bottom in the middle.

[1289] There's a couple of skulls.

[1290] Yeah, look at that.

[1291] That's very similar to what it feels like when you do dimethylophthalmium.

[1292] And Alex has had an uncountable number of experiences.

[1293] If I dropped a little purple barrel right now and just looked at that, I'd have a nice afternoon.

[1294] Exactly.

[1295] Yeah.

[1296] Well, a lot of the thing, the most profound psychedelic experiences are the compounds.

[1297] They mimic normal human neurochemistry.

[1298] Like dimethyltryptamine is a natural occurring compound in the human brain.

[1299] It's produced by your liver, your lungs, and there's a lot of evidence, at least in mammals, it's produced by your pineal gland, which is literally your third eye.

[1300] That is.

[1301] That's right.

[1302] I did DMT way back.

[1303] I think I was in high school or something.

[1304] You know, something.

[1305] And I think I had a motorcycle ice race or something about doing it.

[1306] A motorcycle ice race and DMT.

[1307] Yeah.

[1308] You're living on the edge in high school, man. It's goddamn Canadian.

[1309] Yeah, well, that's what the, you know, motorcycle ice racing, you get the, you get a little small bike like a Jawa, C -ZE, and you put the metal rims with the studs, and then you race around the ice.

[1310] I never did it, but I saw it, and I think I was, that's why I went to, my friend, said, hey, take one of these, we'll have a better time.

[1311] So I didn't see any beings, but the race was fun.

[1312] Take one, how, orally?

[1313] How did you take it?

[1314] He said it was a pill.

[1315] It was a cap.

[1316] Oh, that doesn't work.

[1317] No, you have to inject it?

[1318] Yeah, well, no, you need to free.

[1319] basis.

[1320] See, DMT is, your body produces.

[1321] He said it was a cap.

[1322] He gave it to me in a like the size of a horse cap.

[1323] Right.

[1324] Maybe it was horse drank and I never know.

[1325] He said it was DMT.

[1326] It's not.

[1327] Well, if it was, it doesn't work because your body produces monoamine oxidase.

[1328] And the only way that DMT works orally is if you take an MAO inhibitor.

[1329] This is what ayahuasca is.

[1330] I didn't have that with it.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] See, ayahuasca is what the indigenous people, the Amazon have figured out, is how to take.

[1333] DMT with harming from the plants right and harmin is a naturally occurring MAO inhibitor so that's how you could take it orally it's also why the experience is not as intense but it's longer and many people find it more spiritual because you can relax you can fall into the experience yeah jimmy's done the ayahuasca but it's not in a capsule form you were he got he dosed you up with someone else well yeah I don't know yeah no I guess something yeah who knows back that could have been psilocybin um converts in body to something very similar to DMT.

[1334] The DMT is the chemical compound is N -N -Dymethyl -Totryptamine, but something happens in the body's production of DMT or the body's breaking down of DMT where it produces something called four -foraloxy N -M dimethylptamine.

[1335] This is out of psilocybin.

[1336] So maybe he gave you psilocybin pills, which is real common.

[1337] That's real common.

[1338] Yeah, it could be.

[1339] But usually if I were to take psilocybin, I'd eat them.

[1340] I'd just eat the mushroom.

[1341] Yes.

[1342] A lot of people take them in capsule for them, though, so they can get the exact dosages.

[1343] I remember sprinkling it on my cereal once.

[1344] What?

[1345] Yeah.

[1346] And then going to deliver the mail.

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] My friend took him in peanut burn jelly sandwiches.

[1349] I ate a bowl of psilocybin, and then I went and picked up my mail truck.

[1350] And, yeah, I was a royal mail career.

[1351] Oh, Jesus.

[1352] That was an interesting morning.

[1353] Did you get everybody's mail to the right place?

[1354] You fast.

[1355] But that's one of the things that made me more open to the idea of extraterrary.

[1356] but more closed off to the ideas of these stories that people tell because I felt like these stories that people tell were so crude it was almost like they were trying to facsimilate this real experience they were trying to recreate it in their mind and the other thing about these abduction experiences is that almost all of them happen at night and a lot of them happen while people are asleep and during sleep is when they believe your body's generated Dymethyptamine, and they believe that DMT is also responsible for dreams.

[1357] But, you know, the Linda Cortia case, is pretty compelling.

[1358] She comes out of the apartment.

[1359] She's grabbed by an orange orb, and then...

[1360] Which home was this?

[1361] This was in the evening, early evening.

[1362] Yeah, but that's the thing.

[1363] The nighttime.

[1364] Yeah, but there were two witnesses from the Brooklyn Bridge, two United Nations security officers, and a judge, a New York State judge that saw the whole thing.

[1365] They saw her being abducted.

[1366] They saw her being slipped, sucked through her window into the orb and plunged to the each river.

[1367] Yes.

[1368] independently they told the same story they were no they were together in the car and they saw it and then a judge a New York state judge saw it he's independent he's independent so he came forward as well once once it started to come out and these two guys went to the apartment where Linda lived that wasn't a real name and of course she was freaked out that someone would come in and talk to she there was a while before they were able to get her to talk about it look it is possible the thing about it is that if these were unique occurrences that only happened once every 10 years or something like that very rarely and it did happened and you were left with this memory and this this thing go try telling it to people that haven't experienced it good luck good luck getting them to believe you you need people just like you experienced trauma a car accident you need people around you who love you to listen to you and say i believe you and i want to help you right and ruffle is a lady who helps with abductees and there's uh you know there's there's some psychiatrists who deal with it you know yeah well it's it's a that's the john mack thing right john mack who was a uh he was at harvard He was a psychiatrist, and he was a very pragmatic, reasonable person and started these, he was dealing with these people that were having these traumatic experiences and he was trying to break them down.

[1369] I believe it was hypnotic regression.

[1370] That was the initial tool, right?

[1371] And through that, he sort of started piecing together that these people independently had remarkably similar stories.

[1372] Right.

[1373] Was it hypnagogic sleep?

[1374] Was it hypnagogic sleep?

[1375] There's 320 million people in this country alone.

[1376] If 100 people have these experiences, good luck getting those other 300 and 20 million people to listen to you.

[1377] They're not going to listen to you.

[1378] This is why I'm trying to be open -minded.

[1379] I think if you went out to the local mall and went and said, do you know what a UFO is?

[1380] Yes.

[1381] Have you ever seen one?

[1382] No. Do you know anybody who's ever seen one?

[1383] Yes.

[1384] I think if you went to the out to the outer perimeters there.

[1385] It's perhaps.

[1386] Yeah.

[1387] Perhaps.

[1388] No, and that's, look, that's the important of skeptics.

[1389] It is.

[1390] But, you know, these guys who come on, like Michael Shermer and other people and Philip class, they come on and they try to debunk these UFO stories, but they don't have their facts straight.

[1391] They don't, they don't have them done the research.

[1392] They haven't studied these cases.

[1393] They come and they just blanket say it's not real.

[1394] Michael has never met a conspiracy that he doesn't want to debunk.

[1395] Right.

[1396] The only thing that recently he came out with was that he thinks that Jeffrey Epstein might have been murdered.

[1397] I was like, whoa.

[1398] How?

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] It might be conspiracy.

[1401] Is that so far to believe out of our range of belief?

[1402] No, but it has to go that far.

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] It has to go that far where a guy is on suicide watch and they go, ah, don't try to kill yourself again.

[1405] And then leave him in the jail cell with a former cop who's a giant gorilla.

[1406] They kind of let him.

[1407] They kind of let him do what he wanted to do.

[1408] I think they killed that guy.

[1409] I think they let him.

[1410] I think they let him.

[1411] They let him.

[1412] Or they might have killed him.

[1413] You had a broken neck.

[1414] That's true.

[1415] That's, yeah.

[1416] It's hard to break a neck, man. It's true.

[1417] That's right.

[1418] Justice fixiation, that's right.

[1419] That's right.

[1420] Yeah, that's all the reasons.

[1421] Well, if anyone deserved to die, that Mofu did.

[1422] Yes.

[1423] Yeah.

[1424] If everyone's telling the truth, I believe you're right.

[1425] Yeah.

[1426] It's the whole story of UFOs is so.

[1427] interesting.

[1428] It's so interesting because of the Fermi paradox, because this concept that if there are these species that exist in these infinite number of stars and infinite, perhaps even infinite number of universes, we really don't know.

[1429] Our limited perception of what the actual universe itself is.

[1430] Yeah.

[1431] Physicists refer to all the time.

[1432] Neal Tyson will refer to the multiverse, happily and comfortably.

[1433] Well, he also will refer to the concept that not only is the universe infinite but what infinity truly means is the real version of infinite is not just it's really big but it's that it's so big that there are an infinite numbers of dan a croids jo rogans and jamy vernon's in a room and there's an infinite number of versions of this conversation that we're having that's right there was a philosophy died of a philosopher a few years ago he believed that everything that you think like if i think okay i want to go steal a Cadillac Well, in another dimension, I've stolen that Cadillac, and I've done that.

[1434] Yeah.

[1435] You know, and he believed that everything we think can become reality in another dimension and does become reality in another dimension.

[1436] There's so many different possibilities.

[1437] It's impossible for our puny little brains to wrap our heads around.

[1438] I had Nick Bostromand, who's a philosopher who was famous for his work on simulation theory and the concept of artificial intelligence and sentient artificial intelligence.

[1439] And he was freaking me out yesterday, where he was talking about, essentially, it's more probable that you are in a simulation than you're not a simulation.

[1440] And it was so hard.

[1441] Looking around your studio here on this play, this is a simulation.

[1442] I mean, I will not divulge what I saw in this incredible warehouse here, but the greatest gym I've ever seen, the greatest workout space.

[1443] Well, I feel like my whole life doesn't make any sense.

[1444] So if my, my life, if anybody should believe in a simulation, it should be me. Yeah.

[1445] No, I'm in a wonderful simulation here today.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] This is just great.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] Look, you know, human experience is, it's just wonderful.

[1450] What, how we wake up in the morning, human identity.

[1451] Yeah.

[1452] You know, the electric chemical.

[1453] Love.

[1454] Just the, just our ability to communicate, our ability to see friends and the beautiful feeling it gets when you hug a friend.

[1455] Is it just pheromones?

[1456] Is it just chemical?

[1457] No, that's not more.

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] That's right.

[1461] And love was.

[1462] is what should drive us.

[1463] We are here to give and receive love.

[1464] And once we, we figure that out, you know, the world's going to be a lot better.

[1465] We have to, have to nail it.

[1466] If you don't have that, everything else is horseshit.

[1467] You can have a hundred million dollar house and a private jet.

[1468] If you don't have love, you don't have anything.

[1469] You're missing the key ingredient.

[1470] That's right.

[1471] You know, it's like having cement, but not having water.

[1472] That's right.

[1473] You know, you have the mix, but you don't have the water.

[1474] You have nothing.

[1475] You ain't built in any house, motherfucker.

[1476] Yeah, no. And, and, you know, we, and unfortunately, there's so much lack of love in the world for other people and other you know and there's so many people that want to instead of propagate love they want to propagate anger and they want to propagate hate and it's so easy to do and so many people are dissatisfied by their own existence that they want to do that but they don't understand but that by doing that you are perpetuating this whole terrible cycle that you've been caught up in yourself if you go out there hating on everybody and being shitty to everybody and throwing all this anger out there in the world that you are literally poisoning yourself.

[1477] There's a wonderful quote about jealousy that I think also applies to hate is that it's one of the rare things that is ineffective on the person who's your target but works on you instead.

[1478] Like if you're jealous, if there's a person out there like, oh, I wish I was living her life and you're angry at her, like you, it's not hurting her.

[1479] doesn't even affect her.

[1480] No, that's like pissing in the wind.

[1481] You feel the poison.

[1482] You feel the poison.

[1483] You piss in the wind, that piss is going to come right back on you.

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] It's just hard for people to understand that there's techniques and there's strategies and there's philosophies that can help you steer through this world with a happier life.

[1486] And that that is a big part of it.

[1487] A big part of is embracing love and friendship and camaraderie and be nice to people.

[1488] I think it's much easier to be nice and to be mean.

[1489] Yeah, it's hard for some people because they're not even nice to themselves well self -love is where it all starts yeah you don't like yourself you ain't gonna do too well yeah with anybody else and you know sometimes i wake up in the morning i don't really like myself or what i've done the next the day before or in the past but you know in the end i i i got to love myself enough to get up and get going and yeah just don't get too much this wild crystal vodka no no everything in moderation hey can you fall in love with a vehicle i brought you a copy of i brought you hemings made or motor news you know this book i can't read that thing i'll go crazy and start They're buying cars.

[1490] No, no, that's, I, me too.

[1491] But what's your dream car?

[1492] Like, I know you've got that beautiful land rover up there, land cruiser.

[1493] I have a lot of cars.

[1494] I love cars.

[1495] What, like if you, what, yeah, what kind of cars do you like?

[1496] Well, I love American muscle cars.

[1497] Those are my favorite.

[1498] Okay, yeah.

[1499] In 1960s.

[1500] Those are my favorite.

[1501] Like Dodges and.

[1502] I love, I have a 65 Corvette that I love to death.

[1503] I have a 69 Nova that's being built right now.

[1504] My friend at a Nova.

[1505] My friend had a 494.

[1506] Fair Lane G .T. Speed equip.

[1507] That was great.

[1508] He had a Camaro, 454 Camaro.

[1509] Nice.

[1510] Yeah, that was fun, man. I just think there's something that happened during the 1960s.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] There was like this incredibly potent moment in the universe where this part of the world...

[1513] Lee Ayacocca.

[1514] Well, not just Lee Ayacocca, because that was Chrysler.

[1515] It was also a Ford and it was Chevy.

[1516] But the Mustang was Lee.

[1517] Yeah.

[1518] Yeah.

[1519] Wasn't he Chrysler?

[1520] No, he started with the Mustang, but he went to Chrysler.

[1521] No, the muscle cars of that.

[1522] The Mustang was Lee Ayakokos, right, right, right, the Super Bee and the Dodge.

[1523] Yeah, Shelby, Carol Shelby.

[1524] The Super Bee, that was so much, there was so much fun, those.

[1525] Baracudas.

[1526] Those barracudas.

[1527] There was, but this, what the, the point to me is that there was something that happened during that time with American automobile manufacturers where they had come up with designs and they were influenced in a way that they created these.

[1528] iconic images that if you looked at a 1960s car, those 1960s cars are so incredibly valuable and cherished.

[1529] Whereas late 1970s, you get a 1979 car.

[1530] Nobody gives a fuck about that car.

[1531] Like, in 10 years, the cars went from being amazing to dog shit.

[1532] The 70s were pretty bad for automobiles.

[1533] 80s, too.

[1534] They hit a blip.

[1535] They had this, especially American muscle cars.

[1536] They hit this blip.

[1537] And then during this blip, they created Camaro.

[1538] and Dodge Chargers and Shelby GT -500s, they just had this.

[1539] Which the young people bought into and loved, and now today you can't get a young person to even go to in a showroom.

[1540] The people that were listening to your show, and I would say 80 % of them, they're in taxis or Uber or buses.

[1541] They don't care about cars.

[1542] Yeah, the Uber thing's interesting, right?

[1543] It's like people who live in New York City.

[1544] I have friends who live in Manhattan.

[1545] They born and raised.

[1546] They don't even know how to drive a car.

[1547] All my kids didn't get their licenses still when they're 20s.

[1548] Here's a 1969 Dodge DART GTS.

[1549] They want 77 grand for it.

[1550] They're very valuable.

[1551] I know.

[1552] They're really, really valuable.

[1553] What are you doing with that magnet?

[1554] Why did you bring that?

[1555] Because I know you love cars.

[1556] I wanted to give it to you.

[1557] Do you have any cars?

[1558] Oh, sir.

[1559] Sir.

[1560] Tell me what you got.

[1561] My father got me into this, you know.

[1562] So I think my favorite, like my favorite car that I have is a 1932 Pierce Arrow 1604 limousine.

[1563] This is the car that, uh, And it's been untouched.

[1564] I basically found it in a barn, and I've never touched it.

[1565] The Pierce Arrows were built between 1908 and 19.

[1566] I'm not familiar with that.

[1567] Oh, the Pierce Arrow.

[1568] A Pierce Arrow Museum, Buffalo, New York, P -I -E -R -C -E.

[1569] You said a 69 Pierce -A -R -A -Rows?

[1570] No, 32.

[1571] 32.

[1572] Oh, geez.

[1573] Okay, so.

[1574] So, Pierce Arrow made cars between 1908 and trucks and bicycles.

[1575] Between 1928 and 1938, they got bought by Studebaker.

[1576] What happened in the 30s, they began to build these big luxury coaches in the 30s, in the Depression to compete with Packard and Rolls Royce and Graham Page and all the other big companies that were out there.

[1577] The White House always had pierceros.

[1578] White House Motor Fleet will show the pierceros.

[1579] And the piercero is beautiful because it had, you know, the bullet headlights that are on most old cars from the 30s?

[1580] The piercero has the headlights fused into the fender like sculpture.

[1581] You see, there they are.

[1582] You see how the fender is fused in.

[1583] It's like part of the car.

[1584] and so I have a 32 -604 Jay Edgar Hoover had those That's like a Bonnie and Clyde type car Oh yeah no I need the Thompson I need the Thompson Auto you know A hundred round drum You know Does anybody take one of those And put like a modern suspension Many times But I've kept mine original It's never been touched You see the way the headlights Are fused right into the Yeah so I have a 32 It kind of looks like that It's green and all beaten up And yeah they're pretty cars So that's my kind of Those are pretty but they don't resonate with me Well I like it It's a V12 It's an Allison V -12, the same engine that they had in the P -51 Mustang.

[1585] It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate it.

[1586] It's like, I don't have any, I don't lust for them.

[1587] No, I like the old one.

[1588] If I see a 1971 barracuda, I lust for it.

[1589] Yeah, that's in there, yeah.

[1590] I get excited.

[1591] So I like that car.

[1592] I have a little Bentley, a little 48 Mark 6 Bentley.

[1593] It's got an overheld valve 6 in it.

[1594] It was built at the end of the war, you know, to kind of get England back into production.

[1595] I like that car.

[1596] But my regular everyday driver, and this will be completely boring to most people on the planet.

[1597] I have a 2011 ultimate edition, Mercury Grand Marquis luxury sport, Ford or Sedan.

[1598] Okay, that's like, what's that?

[1599] The New York Times said when the production of the big fords were discontinued, the big grand marquee, when they were discontinued in 2011, they went out of the business, they stopped making them.

[1600] The New York Times said, you've always liked one, but you never really wanted.

[1601] one.

[1602] Well, I found two of them in upstate New York.

[1603] And they used to be, and I found them, and I looked, I was driving in Auburn, New York, and I saw, I was whipping by in this town on my way down, and I saw these two cars sitting there with snow, and I looked, I liked that Grand Marquis, so I found out about them.

[1604] Bottom, found out they were both equipped by the U .S. State Department motor pool for diplomatic career.

[1605] They had lights and sirens in and they had worked done on the motors.

[1606] I'm on the 401 in Toronto.

[1607] A Mercedes, you know, 300 C will pull up behind me and want, like, want me to move over and say, okay, geriatric driver and the old marquee move over.

[1608] And I just go, and I'm gone with this thing, man. Big V8, no chip in it.

[1609] There it is.

[1610] That's it.

[1611] That's my car.

[1612] Yeah, that looks like a government car.

[1613] If that was probably over, I'd check my paperwork.

[1614] Yeah, no, that, and it's got the beautiful, minor black, and it's got the beautiful V8, and it's got the engine work.

[1615] So that's my regular driver.

[1616] It's kind of funny.

[1617] That's hilarious.

[1618] You drive one of those.

[1619] Oh, yeah.

[1620] And it's a total sleeper, total sleeper.

[1621] I pull up the lights, the corvettes, they'll look at them.

[1622] And I take them.

[1623] I take them.

[1624] No problem.

[1625] And that thing.

[1626] That's hilarious.

[1627] Isn't that funny?

[1628] Yeah.

[1629] That is funny.

[1630] So I love the old Packards and that.

[1631] So you like the muscle cars.

[1632] Yeah.

[1633] I'm wearing a Tesla t -shirt.

[1634] Have you ever driven a Tesla?

[1635] Yeah.

[1636] I got one out there.

[1637] Oh, they're beautiful.

[1638] Oh, my God.

[1639] I love that guy.

[1640] What a visionary.

[1641] What a man, man. I mean, come on.

[1642] He went to Queens University in my hometown.

[1643] Did he?

[1644] Yeah, Kingston, Ontario, Canada, penitentiary capital of the country.

[1645] He went to Queens University, which is like your Harvard or Reed or Yale, and he went there for two years.

[1646] So whenever, I've never met Elon, but I'm going to sit down and talk to him about those Kingston winters.

[1647] He's a great guy.

[1648] His car is the most preposterously fast car I've ever driven in my life.

[1649] What's he got?

[1650] What's he driving?

[1651] Well, the thing that I have out there, I have a Model S. Oh, I'll look at it.

[1652] D. Oh, yeah.

[1653] It is the most ridiculous car I've ever driven.

[1654] It makes other cars feel dumb.

[1655] I have other cars that I enjoy because I love engineering.

[1656] I love cars.

[1657] I just love them.

[1658] I've always loved them since I was a kid.

[1659] But that Tesla makes them all look stupid.

[1660] They're all dumb.

[1661] That car goes zero to 60 in 2 .4 seconds.

[1662] It makes no sound.

[1663] It transcends.

[1664] It just moves through space and time in a different way.

[1665] It punches a hole through the life itself.

[1666] Just shoo.

[1667] No, brilliant.

[1668] And it's there.

[1669] He's just...

[1670] Have you ever driven one?

[1671] I had a friend who had one in Toronto.

[1672] That's a no. You need to drive one, Dan Aykroy.

[1673] He took me...

[1674] I wish we weren't lick it up.

[1675] I'd give you the keys to mine.

[1676] They're zapped.

[1677] Yeah, no, we don't drive...

[1678] We have drivers today.

[1679] No, they zapped through that, yeah.

[1680] You need to drive one.

[1681] You need to drive mine.

[1682] You know, my wife would love one because she loves, you know, she's an environmental activist in that.

[1683] She needs to get one.

[1684] The problem is that she loves her laptop so much that if that big screen in the...

[1685] A Tesla?

[1686] Yeah.

[1687] That big screen?

[1688] Yeah.

[1689] I think she'd be on that more than driving.

[1690] Nah, she wouldn't.

[1691] It's a big map.

[1692] It's just a big, beautiful map.

[1693] Well, I know there's a lot.

[1694] Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there, too.

[1695] You could cook breakfast on that thing remotely.

[1696] But it has games you can play on it when you park.

[1697] No, when you're driving, too.

[1698] No, you got to park.

[1699] It won't let you do it or you drive.

[1700] But the guy, my friend, he has a Tesla there in Toronto there, and he said he, he, he programmed it in downtown Toronto, and it drove him to Kingston City Hall and parked in front of the city hall.

[1701] he didn't even have to look at look at he was working on his laptop talking well that's that guy's an asshole you need to look kids jump in front of your car you need to be well yeah yeah i guess that's too much reliance on that you need you definitely i mean that's what what other vehicles do you have i have a 69 camaro oh yeah i have uh a 2007 Porsche 9 -11 yeah you like you're like a high performance car that's what i got with that ford that i'm driving it's just it's just beautiful yeah and i look Yeah, I just love, I just love cars.

[1702] I've always loved them.

[1703] They're one of my favorite things in life.

[1704] I like looking at them.

[1705] I like, I watch videos on cars even if I'm not even interested in buying them.

[1706] Yeah.

[1707] I just love them.

[1708] No, no, it's true.

[1709] Wonderful.

[1710] I love the Duesenberg's, man. Yeah, okay.

[1711] Two great museums.

[1712] There's the Auburn Corsenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.

[1713] Have you been to Jay's garage?

[1714] Yeah, yeah.

[1715] One of my cars was on Jay's Garage.

[1716] Okay, yeah.

[1717] I, 65 Corvette was on.

[1718] How great a guy is he?

[1719] He's like, he's one.

[1720] of the best people in the industry.

[1721] Well, one thing I told him, I was like, you are so much happier and more, more interesting when you're talking about cars.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] You ever were when you were hosting the Tonight Show.

[1724] He's a great host of the Tonight Show, but the Tonight Show is basically you're running a commercial for other people's records.

[1725] Yeah, for their movies, their television shows that they have coming out, and you're there to sort of be the entertaining guy, and he was wonderful at it.

[1726] But he's way better.

[1727] I love the military, the old Power Wagon's, the old Dodge Power Wagon.

[1728] What kind of truck do you have?

[1729] I live on a farm, so I have a different truck.

[1730] Well, I have that 95 Toyota Land Cruze of you saw out there.

[1731] And I also have a 71 icon Bronco.

[1732] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1733] That's out there, too.

[1734] You can whip through the desert on those, yeah.

[1735] I think one of the greatest cars being made now is the Lincoln Navigator, the new Lincoln Navigator.

[1736] Oh, yeah, it's amazing.

[1737] God, I mean, that's, and I used to have the Ford excursion.

[1738] That was the greatest car ever built by man. They have the Aviator now, too, which is a smaller version of the Navigator.

[1739] Sensational cars.

[1740] Those Lincoln Navigators, the new ones, they're.

[1741] They put the Escalade to shame.

[1742] They really do.

[1743] I don't slag other brands, but I, you know, if I'm to buy a car.

[1744] They're going to come out with a new one.

[1745] Escalades are amazing.

[1746] But when you get in a navigator, you're like, whoa, this is next level.

[1747] It is next level.

[1748] Speaking of cars, there was a great old Cadillac in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

[1749] Did you see that movie?

[1750] Oh, yeah.

[1751] We were talking about the other day.

[1752] Have you had Quentin on?

[1753] No, I haven't.

[1754] I met him at the Comedy Store, though.

[1755] This is one of the great film.

[1756] This is going to win Beck's picture.

[1757] I'm a member of the Academy.

[1758] Are you really?

[1759] Yes, of course, yes.

[1760] Is there anything you voted on, do you regret?

[1761] No, not really.

[1762] I support my people in the industry, but I can tell you right now, and I'm going to get in trouble for this, that's my vote for Beck's picture right now.

[1763] It's a lot of fun.

[1764] What a superior question of it.

[1765] Yeah, there it is.

[1766] Look at that beast.

[1767] Yeah, that old catalog.

[1768] That's an amazing car, man. And how great are those performers?

[1769] I can't wait for Brad Pitt's new movie, Ad Astra, to come out, the new space movie that he's doing.

[1770] How great were those two guys in that film?

[1771] How great was that cast?

[1772] Everything was amazing.

[1773] Just superb film inking.

[1774] And if you know the Manson story, it's all a lot more meaningful.

[1775] Well, I don't want to give any spoiler where it alerts.

[1776] No, that's not.

[1777] But it's one of those movies where you think something's going to happen.

[1778] And it's something entirely more magical happens.

[1779] Brad Pitt is like just supreme those two guys.

[1780] How good is Leonardo DiCaprio?

[1781] Oh, I know.

[1782] Always.

[1783] But this is, yeah, these are masters.

[1784] Yeah.

[1785] And I love to watch them work.

[1786] I love, I'm not in the picture so much anymore.

[1787] We've got the Ghostbusters movie that we're working on now, and I will be have to be performing in that.

[1788] What is the deal with the new Ghostbusters movie?

[1789] It's really good.

[1790] There was the one with all girls.

[1791] Great film.

[1792] Really good film.

[1793] Those girls were superb, but I should have been sitting there as a producer watching costs a little more.

[1794] We, you know, Paul Fieg and I and Ivan, we had our little conflicts.

[1795] There were things that we thought that we didn't think would work.

[1796] Why shoot it?

[1797] Why spend the money?

[1798] But, you know, he's a director.

[1799] We have to have faith.

[1800] so there was a little conflict there and I've spoken about it before but all that's in the past I think he made a great picture with the girls I love it I think they're all great in it really you know he treated the movie with a tribute kind of legacy respect and there were some great new spirits in there and the girls were great now Ivan Reitman's son Jason has written a new movie called well it's going to be Ghostbusters the third movie that directly linked well it'll be all most of the original people and then um the original from the first movie uh yes some from the original bill murray's gonna be in it we're we're we're hoping come on bill yeah we're we're hoping come on bill yeah and um and then the new the new cast and uh it's it's the new cast as well they're they're younger didn't he throw bill murray out a window in that oh yeah yeah he played a he played a psychic he played a psychic and he played michael shirmer or he played uh yeah he played michael shirmer in that movie yeah he threw him out of window uh was that because you would want to throw me no no no i don't want to throw a bit of window a fake window no no no no i have other things i could do that with him but uh i put him in my old farmhouse for the night and and see what was that what was that well buddy uh so yeah so that's it's gonna be great i'm so excited about it and uh it's just just wonderful to be able to you know go back and and and revisit that all that yeah but i was saying i i love my colleagues i don't do the pictures anymore much and and i'm i'm in that one but i love my greatest movies of All time.

[1801] Because I had great collaborative films.

[1802] Yes, for sure.

[1803] I had great collaborators.

[1804] And, you know, I love watching people work actors on Broadway and I love watching actors work and film and I enjoy going to movies.

[1805] It's just, I'm into other things, as you heard today.

[1806] There was a bunch of comics of the improv the other night talking about Ghostbusters and talking about Blues Brothers.

[1807] Blues Brothers still to this day is one of the all -time great comedy films.

[1808] It really is.

[1809] Yeah, thank you.

[1810] It's a great movie.

[1811] It's just one of those movies where it gives you this feeling like you just so appreciative that you can watch it.

[1812] Like, wow.

[1813] Here it is.

[1814] It's fucking great, man. Ray Charles and Aretha and John Lee Hooker.

[1815] Yes.

[1816] Oh, yeah, no. Everything's great in that movie.

[1817] It's just great.

[1818] No, no, we had good times on that.

[1819] And it holds up.

[1820] And you know what?

[1821] Here, 40 -some years after John and I first performed on SNL, Jimmy and I are still doing it.

[1822] We have a concert in Minnesota coming up.

[1823] That's amazing.

[1824] And we still do it.

[1825] You know what?

[1826] Well, I figure, well, I can still move.

[1827] I'll still dance and move, and, you know, I'm not going to sing from a chair, like Solomon Burke, you know.

[1828] Do you, like, your real interests, though, like, they're spread apart.

[1829] You have a lot of different things going on.

[1830] Like, you seem to be a guy who's got freedom and independence, which is a beautiful thing to see.

[1831] Well, I don't have a desk job, which I'm happy of.

[1832] I never.

[1833] But you're pursuing your vodka company.

[1834] You're obviously, I mean, you're not profiting off of this UFO research, but you're obviously balls deep in it.

[1835] It's just fun because it's entertaining and I think it's enlightening and if people want to come to me and get my view of it, I'm happy to present my view, you know, and I'm happy to hear stories and I'm happy to hear skeptics come forward and tell me why the thing I saw when I was on my motorcycle was not a UFO.

[1836] Right.

[1837] Why was it?

[1838] Okay, it was a hydro helicopter.

[1839] Okay, well, okay, if it was a hydro helicopter, why am I not hearing rotorwap at 400 feet above me. What do you, what's your take on the, the human memory being very fallible?

[1840] There's like a lot of, there's a lot of funky shit with memories.

[1841] No question about it.

[1842] No question about it.

[1843] You can, you know, I remember I, yeah, I remember I wore a striped t -shirt on that Sunday and then you look at a picture, oh no, it was solid black.

[1844] Of course.

[1845] Do you remember everything?

[1846] I, about these, I mean, how much do you think do you remember about these experiences?

[1847] I remember every, I remember every detail of the sightings I've had vividly.

[1848] Because, They defy reality.

[1849] But regular, everyday things that are not that profound, your memory goes into that.

[1850] No, no, I try, of course, because we'd go crazy if we had to remember everything.

[1851] Right, right, right.

[1852] The spec we picked off the ground three weeks ago if you had that experience.

[1853] Or just today, right?

[1854] Like, what color shirt was I wearing when you met me?

[1855] You were wearing kind of a whitish gray, kind of a corded t -shirt, and you had sweat on.

[1856] Yeah, okay.

[1857] Close.

[1858] Gray thermal.

[1859] Yeah, yeah.

[1860] Okay.

[1861] Yeah.

[1862] Just check it.

[1863] Here's some of the Cadillacs with the fin.

[1864] Oh, yeah.

[1865] His name was Harley Earl.

[1866] Oh, you know the guy who designed it?

[1867] Yeah, there were two great designers.

[1868] One was Harley Earl.

[1869] God, those are good.

[1870] Yeah, and then Virgil Exner was the guy with Chrysler, and he brought in the Finn as well.

[1871] But when I chose the vehicle for Ghostbusters, I thought, what, I need the biggest station wagon made.

[1872] And it's got to fit four people in the front, and it's got to have capacity for the...

[1873] So I picked the 1959 Cadillac, Miller Meteor Hearst because it just had the capacity we needed.

[1874] And then the bonus was, it just looked so good.

[1875] Ooh, look at that.

[1876] What's the golden year for Cadillac?

[1877] I would say 5960 when you had the full fin.

[1878] That 5960 fin was just...

[1879] The fin is ridiculous.

[1880] Try parking that goddamn thing anywhere.

[1881] You know, why a fin?

[1882] Because it was rocket time.

[1883] We all wanted to go to the moon.

[1884] We all just want to go to the stars, you know.

[1885] Yeah.

[1886] Yeah, yeah.

[1887] Pull up a 1959, an actual 1959 Cadillac, Jamie.

[1888] But that's like a not one that was ever made.

[1889] I think that was a concept car.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] Wasn't it a concept car?

[1892] Yeah.

[1893] No, there they are.

[1894] Oh, look that red one.

[1895] God damn.

[1896] Come on.

[1897] Whoa.

[1898] Now, you could put three bodies in that trunk.

[1899] That's so beautiful.

[1900] And that's a hard top convertible there with the no pillar post day.

[1901] That's beautiful.

[1902] That was back when gas was 13.

[1903] cents.

[1904] Yeah, and the motors, the motors were beautiful in those cars.

[1905] Yeah, they smelled like shit, and if you kept the windows rolled down, you get brain damage.

[1906] Look at that thing.

[1907] Wow.

[1908] Hey, kudos, hey, to Detroit.

[1909] To Detroit.

[1910] You bet.

[1911] Salute.

[1912] Yeah, and today, Detroit's like a booming town.

[1913] There's all kinds of stuff going on.

[1914] New building.

[1915] What do you think of that new corvette, that mid -engine corvette?

[1916] That's pretty amazing.

[1917] Have you seen that thing?

[1918] I haven't.

[1919] You know, for me, I mean, I get my right leg might fit in that.

[1920] I don't think I get the rest of me in there.

[1921] They're big, man. And then they have plenty of room inside of them.

[1922] They've designed them for taller folks.

[1923] You know, if I could buy any car, if I could, I would buy that.

[1924] You can't buy any car.

[1925] Stop pretending not rich.

[1926] How dare you?

[1927] Well, well, it's not that.

[1928] It's just like if I could drive the streets and actually be seen in a car that I felt comfortable in.

[1929] It would be the Buntley.

[1930] Yeah.

[1931] Is that why you drive that crazy?

[1932] The sleeper.

[1933] Look at that.

[1934] That's a new Corvette.

[1935] Look at this.

[1936] Yeah, that's beautiful.

[1937] That's a 2019, Jamie.

[1938] That's actually a front engine car.

[1939] You want to go with 2020.

[1940] The 2020 is a mid -engine car.

[1941] the 2020 is the very first there it is that's the very first go to the red one on the top four which up with the core no that's the old one oh love it Jamie doesn't know jack shit I like the bentley Melsan the big one the big Bentley Monsan cruiser love that that one right there Jamie that your cursor was just on yeah that's it look this I'm trying to find out click on that but click on that that's a mid -engine corvette it's a different car see what it is is the engine is behind the passengers in between the passengers and the rear wheel whereas he other ones, it's in the front trunk.

[1942] You see the one in the back?

[1943] That one's in the front trunk.

[1944] I don't think you're going to get the average software engineer at WeWork, for instance, wanting to buy that car.

[1945] Why not?

[1946] Because he's taking the bus, and he's on Uber, and he's in taxis.

[1947] Tell him to stop being a pussy.

[1948] How are we going to get a goddamn American rocket ship?

[1949] Get that, yeah.

[1950] GM's new Corvette is so powerful.

[1951] It's warping the frame in tests.

[1952] America.

[1953] Yeah.

[1954] They don't even have the.

[1955] ZR1 or the Z -O -6 yeah that's the regular Z -51 model yeah no I love I love speed you know that speed kills more men than anything it kills ketamines no no no no no 70 % of men between 35 and 65 die from mechanical speed jet skis yep motorcycles this is a 70 % 70 % die from accidents holy shit this is some this is a statistic I read well whether that's true or not we know that we like speed so yeah go Watch your boats, watch your jet skis, watch your motorcycles, watch your cars.

[1956] My dad, at my age, like I'm 67 now, my dad at 65 had two Buick Rivierras.

[1957] Whoa.

[1958] Two, 1960s, 62, 63 Buick Rivierras.

[1959] And he got, and he was down to like four points on his license by the time that they, you know, yeah.

[1960] And he loved cars too.

[1961] He got me into the cars, you know.

[1962] Buick is one of those cars that was a victim in the recession.

[1963] Yeah.

[1964] Buick, Pontiac, Plymouth, gone.

[1965] Yeah.

[1966] Well, sure.

[1967] Well, there's all kinds of names we don't see anymore, like, especially from the 30s, you know, the Packard, the Graham Page, the Diana Moon, the real.

[1968] Like the GTO, you know, Pontiac GTO is gone, you know.

[1969] Plymouth is just gone.

[1970] I mean, they still have Dodge.

[1971] But people tried to revive it.

[1972] The new Challenger looks pretty good.

[1973] It's kind of.

[1974] Very nice.

[1975] It goes back to that.

[1976] The Camaro.

[1977] The new Camaro is a monster of a car.

[1978] Yeah.

[1979] I just, I just, I've always been a fan of those rumbly engines and those, you know, they just, they're viscerally exciting.

[1980] Yeah, no, no, I love them.

[1981] Absolutely.

[1982] Yeah, how about motorcycles?

[1983] I don't fuck with them.

[1984] I was about to get one.

[1985] I had a bunch of, took a bunch of lessons, and I was going for my license, and then two friends wiped out.

[1986] Ah, well.

[1987] Yeah, and got pretty significant accidents.

[1988] And one guy that I know got hit by a car by an old man who ran a red light and, T -boned him and sent him flying through the air and snapped his femur.

[1989] No, that would turn you off.

[1990] I've been riding since I was 19.

[1991] You ride in L .A.?

[1992] I can ride anywhere, but I prefer to ride in the country up north in Canada, you know, where I'm living.

[1993] Is that where you live these days?

[1994] Half and half here, half there, half there.

[1995] L .A. A little more in the States because of the travel with the band and that.

[1996] But I'm there with my dad in Canada a lot.

[1997] And we have the old family farm, but the, with the haunted farmhouse.

[1998] And I've got a book for you.

[1999] well let's say let me say that it's there's residual energy from the people who've lived there in the past so you hear footsteps and voices and creaks and doors closing and that and many people have had experiences in it so there's a reason why people don't want to live in a house where people were murdered no one was killed in that farmhouse but many people passed there but even that weird that weirds people out but absolutely if you have a house where people were murdered and this is why there's laws you have to divulge i did i had to divulge did you It wasn't because of a murder, but when I sold our house in Los Angeles, we lived in Mama Cass's old estate and Woodrow Wilson Drive, and we sold it to Beverly DeAngelo, and she's been on the celebrity ghost show talking about the spirits that were in that house.

[2000] What happens?

[2001] You know, jewelry will hop around the table.

[2002] Shapes will be seen.

[2003] You'll feel a touch in the shoulder, that kind of thing.

[2004] The staff felt it.

[2005] And I had an experience one night where something gone into bed with me. I was alone and I don't know what went on there But I just figured Sexually?

[2006] Well, in my little bit You fucked the ghosts I think I was being come on to there But anyway This is a YouTube clip Right now Dan Aykroyd fucked a ghost Well or it did try to come on to me And I didn't refuse its So you resisted You know what?

[2007] I just nuggled up next to it And went to sleep You spooned with it I did I felt a shape I looked and saw the depression I saw the depression in the mattress and I felt a shade, something next to me, like felt a form next to me, and I, I nuggled, no, no, not that night.

[2008] I was working on a picture and went to bed early, but I was alone around.

[2009] So you're laying alone in bed, and you're working on a film.

[2010] What film was it?

[2011] What film was it?

[2012] It was something that I've been working down at Universal.

[2013] I don't know, maybe Dragnet or something like that.

[2014] Okay.

[2015] So you're working on Dragnan, you're lying in bed, and then there's like a weight next to you.

[2016] I feel a weight next to me. I turn and I look.

[2017] Like a person is laying in bed.

[2018] I saw the depression.

[2019] There were two, yes.

[2020] And there were two spirits that might have been there.

[2021] Maybe Mama Cass herself, although she died in London.

[2022] And then there was another guy that apparently a rumor was he died of a drug overdose at a party, and they buried him in the hillside.

[2023] And my daughter saw him walking with a little red -haired girl down the hall once.

[2024] And we think that he might have been there.

[2025] But anyway, when we sold the house to Beverly, there was a right in the California real estate document that we had to sign.

[2026] And by law, you have to divulge any unusual activity in the house.

[2027] So I had to sign a clause in there that said, yes, at the beginning of our tenure in the house, we did have experience.

[2028] Yeah.

[2029] So she bought the house anyway.

[2030] She's still there.

[2031] She's very happy.

[2032] So you had to sign papers that said you had unusual activity.

[2033] If you sell a house in California, you will look in every real estate contract.

[2034] There will be a clause that you must report unusual activity.

[2035] So that is the, that is a state recognized.

[2036] What if you do acid in your house?

[2037] What's that?

[2038] What if you do acid in the house?

[2039] Well, I'll tell you about some unusual activity.

[2040] Well, that's unusual activity that you're doing.

[2041] That's not external.

[2042] But the California, you know, just that the state of California requires that in their real estate documents.

[2043] It's, it's pretty compelling evidence that there's something going on there, too.

[2044] Or compelling evidence that people are paranoid.

[2045] They want people to protect them against ghosts.

[2046] That ghosts and spirits also have reality.

[2047] You think so?

[2048] I believe so.

[2049] So tell me about this thing.

[2050] You're laying down in bed, so you're about to go to sleep.

[2051] I'm about to go to sleep.

[2052] Working on Dragnet, everything's good.

[2053] And I feel this depression, I feel this something.

[2054] Are you asleep yet?

[2055] Not asleep.

[2056] No, no. I just turned out the light.

[2057] And I look and I see this depression.

[2058] And then I go, well, what am I going to do about this?

[2059] Am I going to leap up screaming?

[2060] No. I rolled over and I just kind of nuggled up against it and went to sleep.

[2061] And I slept with like a baby.

[2062] Slept like a baby.

[2063] There's a scene in the Ghostbusters movie where I'm lying down in an old fort and then this ghost hovers over me and in the director's cut, I think the belt comes off and the pants come down.

[2064] Whoa.

[2065] Sex with ghosts.

[2066] You didn't get nervous?

[2067] You know, I may have been so tired.

[2068] I may have been so resolved and resigned.

[2069] I thought, you know what?

[2070] There's no point in panicking.

[2071] There it is.

[2072] Ghostbusters bedroom scene There we go Oh yeah Jeez Look you You handsome devil Oh That's not doing Yeah Pants Woo Woo Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah So that's you Do you just accept it Yes That's right I just accepted That's a way to go man I mean Why fight it It's spiritual It's true.

[2073] It's true.

[2074] So did you smell it?

[2075] No, no smell.

[2076] Just the sense of it?

[2077] You just felt the weight?

[2078] Felt the weight and saw the depression.

[2079] And then when I...

[2080] Did you feel anything on your body?

[2081] I did.

[2082] I felt a form.

[2083] Yes, I did.

[2084] A form.

[2085] I felt a form next to me when I knuggled up next to it.

[2086] You didn't push away?

[2087] I did not.

[2088] Did you push against?

[2089] I actually kind of wanted to see what it felt like if there was something there and I did feel something there.

[2090] Did it feel feminine or masculine?

[2091] It felt masculine, hard.

[2092] Oh, you were cuddling with a dude.

[2093] like a dead biker maybe I don't know maybe was the guy who died in the hillside I don't know could be I just wanted friendship You know They say in the old days men used to just sleep together They just actually sleep sleep Like not like you know there's a yes There's a there's a Ed Davis and Abraham Lincoln were We're partners and they were law partners And they slept in the same bed many times when they were on the road Yeah Well it's probably cold as fuck back then And it was hard to keep the room heated In that part of the world yeah Yeah just have a couple blankets And you should stay heated together yeah yeah so uh when you woke up in the morning did you feel refreshed or violated i had slept beautifully i woke up and maybe better than ever pretty good yeah and i told some people about the experience and and there were people that worked in the house and that were there and that you know that lived in and that that knew that was something going on but they knew you and you and a ghost had something happened after i told them yeah so they knew something was going on well because they had been they'd hear the stairmaster going by itself Stammer, the exercise, the ghost exercise?

[2094] Apparently, yeah, and a hand on the shoulder.

[2095] Then the sighting my daughter had.

[2096] Then, you know, other little things like jewelry dancing on the table.

[2097] We knew something was going on in that house.

[2098] Oh.

[2099] So you're 100 % in on ghosts.

[2100] I am.

[2101] Now, tell me about why you're 100 % in on Sasquatch.

[2102] Because that one is a, that's more puzzling to me. Well, just that it's, it's, again, Gabriel Rees' his story was quite convincing.

[2103] Jeff Meldrum's research was quite convincing.

[2104] Which I knew.

[2105] I would have talked to her about it.

[2106] Jeff Meldrum told me he cut his finger off.

[2107] He said, if he could find out if Sasquatch was really, take a pinky off.

[2108] I said, if you could cut your finger off to know that Sasquatch is real, would you do it?

[2109] He goes, which finger?

[2110] I'm like your pinky.

[2111] Well, he's got casts.

[2112] He's got hair.

[2113] What you point to, Jamie?

[2114] He's a, Jeff Meldrum, M -E -L -D -R -U -M.

[2115] Used to be.

[2116] It's in my room.

[2117] He's a, you know, he's a paleontological logical scientists at the University of South Dakota.

[2118] But he can also be a silly man. Sometimes you study things, you memorize them, you pass a test, but you're still silly.

[2119] Well, but you talk to him.

[2120] Did you think, did you feel he was, you know?

[2121] I ain't given up my finger for nobody, man. I'm not giving up a finger to find out of Sasquatch is real.

[2122] That's crazy.

[2123] No. Yeah, he's pretty devoted to it.

[2124] But it's been, you know, Yeti, the Yak and Yeti story, you know, the Yeti story.

[2125] You know, the Yeti story.

[2126] and just the around the world, just the sightings that people have had.

[2127] Right, but people see theirs.

[2128] Well, there was a book called Diary of an Alaska housewife.

[2129] It was about a woman, she wrote it.

[2130] She left in the 70s to move from Kansas to Alaska.

[2131] And her husband worked on the pipeline.

[2132] And she tells a story one afternoon when she was at her window in the kitchen and she went outside into the garden.

[2133] She felt, saw something, went outside, and she smelt this really strong, strong, musky, musky odor.

[2134] And she saw this big, huge shape at the corner of her garden kind of disappear into the woods.

[2135] And I don't know, bear, grizzly.

[2136] Who knows, sure.

[2137] Could be.

[2138] Yeah.

[2139] How about, where are you on Chupacabra?

[2140] Not at all.

[2141] I think it's nonsense.

[2142] I think it's coyotes with mange.

[2143] Mm -hmm.

[2144] Yeah.

[2145] I mean, they've captured coyotes with mange.

[2146] It looks like demons.

[2147] How about mothman?

[2148] That's a neat story.

[2149] Poor shit.

[2150] Listen, let's go back to Bigfoot.

[2151] Let's not get too crazy.

[2152] No, I don't think they're full of shit.

[2153] Let's go back to the Mothman prophecies, the bridge collapsing.

[2154] Save it.

[2155] Yeah, yeah.

[2156] I mean, I'm not going to sit here and argue on behalf of Mothman.

[2157] But it's an intriguing story because when you have multiple witnesses, like as far as the UFO, I will go back to Goodfoot.

[2158] But the aerial encounter, the school children at the aerial school in Zimbabwe in the, in the, in the non.

[2159] Do you know this story?

[2160] John Mack was working on it.

[2161] Two beings landed in two different craft, and they encountered these school children all in elementary school.

[2162] And now they've come back, and they're interviewing them now in their adult time.

[2163] And it's amazing how their stories synchronized.

[2164] Why would all of them conspire to make something up?

[2165] Okay, we're doing with two different things.

[2166] And the Mothman, there were four really credible kids there that said they saw.

[2167] Oh, man. The UFO thing is less preposterous than anything, because we are.

[2168] currently sending spaceships into orbit.

[2169] We are currently sending probes to Mars.

[2170] We're involved, deeply involved in the exploration of our solar system, at least with these robots and drones and things that we can control.

[2171] That all that makes 100 % sense to me. Bigfoot is interesting to me because there was a creature called gigantopithecus.

[2172] It was an enormous primate that was a, without a doubt lived.

[2173] It's a real thing.

[2174] It was a bipedal hominid.

[2175] They think it was between eight and perhaps even 10 feet tall.

[2176] It was a huge ape -like creature, and it went extinct.

[2177] And the reason why they found it is because there was an apothecary shop.

[2178] I believe it was in the 1920s.

[2179] An anthropologist found a tooth in this apothecary shop in China.

[2180] He talked to the people, where did you find this?

[2181] He recognized it as a primate tooth.

[2182] They brought him to the site where they found it.

[2183] And then they started finding other pieces.

[2184] They found bones that seemed to indicate.

[2185] that this thing was bipedal and this is something that's accepted in the paleontological paleontological record this is like when anthropologists look at the history of primates when they look at the they think this is a widely accepted real animal so why wouldn't it was real why well so why did it why do you say that it couldn't have survived and and and beyond extinction and and exist today in some form it could have But there's no evidence that's compelling, just like there's no evidence that's woolly mammoth.

[2186] Pretty much the film is fake.

[2187] The Patterson footage?

[2188] Yeah, that's for shit.

[2189] They say it's fake.

[2190] Here's the thing, if it looks like a man in a suit.

[2191] No animal looks like a man in a suit.

[2192] There's not a fucking single kangaroo out there.

[2193] It looks like a person in a kangaroo suit.

[2194] I just think Gabriel's story, Meldrum's research, the book that I read of the woman.

[2195] What was Gabrielle Reese's story?

[2196] Well, she was in the camping up there in one of those northern states, Washington, and I believe she has video footage of the thing, shaking the, shaking the, shaking the, shaking the motorhome that they were in.

[2197] Yeah?

[2198] Hmm.

[2199] She was quite excited to tell me the story and quite vivid about it.

[2200] She said that it was, it was scary.

[2201] It could be.

[2202] It was scary.

[2203] If there was a small popular, look, try finding a Wolverine.

[2204] Yeah.

[2205] Try finding.

[2206] Or a super, or a super, one of these super sloths in the, in the South American, jungle now.

[2207] These big sloths.

[2208] Yeah, they think they're real.

[2209] There's one, there's one scientist that has literally risked his reputation.

[2210] And his whole fucking credibility is in demise because he decided that he was going to spend his life looking for the giant sloth.

[2211] And these indigenous people have pointed him in the right direction.

[2212] And they've recognized that there's, you know, there's dung that seems to be sloth dung that they've found.

[2213] And they're trying to point him towards where these things are.

[2214] And the giant sloth was a real thing.

[2215] And the giant sloth was a real creature.

[2216] But there's no real evidence that the giant sloth is currently alive.

[2217] But the thing is the vast wilderness of the Amazon rainforest is so impenetrable.

[2218] It would be like trying to walk across the earth and make a good audit of all the creatures that are on it.

[2219] You're not going to run into them.

[2220] And, you know, many species are dying on this planet right now for various reasons, but there are many that are being discovered.

[2221] We never even knew about before.

[2222] And you know, the The northwestern forests are pretty impenetrable, too.

[2223] The Washington forests.

[2224] It makes it interesting.

[2225] It's that the location of the area where if the thing crossed the Bering Land Bridge and it came into the United States, that's exactly where it would be.

[2226] It would be in that Pacific Northwest because that's, you know, as you walk down from Alaska.

[2227] We've heard the stories of loggers going in there and seeing them or sensing them or, you know, because they're being driven out of their environment.

[2228] There's some hostile acts against logging companies that they think have been perpetrated by.

[2229] by, you know, those, by the Sasquatch.

[2230] Nobody wants to believe in Bigfoot more than me. I worked up in the Northwest Territories.

[2231] I was a flex -track assistant mechanic on tundra crawlers, and I was a road surveyor.

[2232] When I was a kid, I worked for the Department of Public Works, and we were up there along the Nahani River, the Headless River, where explorers would go in and they'd find their heads and they'd find their heads and they'd find their heads and they'd find their heads.

[2233] They'd find Bigfoot heads?

[2234] No, no, just the human heads.

[2235] The Headless Valley, the Headless River, Nahani River, H .A .N. and I, but when I went up there and was with the survey people, there had been guys who had been up there, you know, years before me, and they said that Sasquatch was a common thing that was spoken about among the natives and among the survey crews up there.

[2236] Do you ever see the Bobcat Goldthwaite movie, Willow Creek?

[2237] No. Outstanding movie.

[2238] Bobcat Goldwaite made a horror movie about Bigfoot.

[2239] Bobcat Goldwaite, the comedian, made an excellent horror movie.

[2240] I kind of catch that.

[2241] It's really good.

[2242] Oh my God, it's like fire in the sky.

[2243] I thought it was a good depiction.

[2244] You would love it.

[2245] Oh, I will get it.

[2246] It's about a bunch of people that go up there to try to replicate the Patterson Bigfoot film sort of as a lark.

[2247] Oh.

[2248] They go up there for fun and they encounter a real Sasquatch.

[2249] So Willow Creek it's called?

[2250] Yes, it's really good.

[2251] I love that.

[2252] I love that.

[2253] That's great.

[2254] Bobcat is a 100 % believer.

[2255] Uh -huh.

[2256] He believes.

[2257] He and I've had some ridiculous conversations about it.

[2258] It'd be nice to go and go into the intense woods up there and maybe camp for a week.

[2259] Yeah.

[2260] Look, man. And to see something like that, a bipedal hominid that has avoided detection for hundreds, if not thousands of years would be amazing.

[2261] Yeah.

[2262] But the thing about the Native Americans is Native Americans had more than a hundred different names between all the various tribes.

[2263] A hundred different names for Sasquatch.

[2264] Really?

[2265] Yeah.

[2266] Oh, Ma, was one of them.

[2267] You saw that American Whirl from London thing that is the guy who created that, Pat.

[2268] Rob Baker?

[2269] No, no, that's Rick Baker.

[2270] Rick Baker, I'm sorry, yeah.

[2271] Pat McGee, who's the special effects guy, created the one for me, but Rick Baker designed it originally.

[2272] But he made a, Pat McGee made a movie called OMA.

[2273] What was it called OMA Primal Scream?

[2274] But it's basically a horror movie about Sasquatch.

[2275] And, you know, it's incredibly compelling to people.

[2276] This is an enormous primate that's been avoiding detection, living in the forest.

[2277] Legends among the indigenous people say that they sometimes grab children and take them.

[2278] I think that's because it used to be a real thing.

[2279] That's what I think.

[2280] I think that's because if we all agree and scientists agree that this giganticopithecus was a real thing, if that is the case, then it's entirely possible that one point, at one point in time, human beings were in direct contact with them on the regular basis, and those stories been passed down through generation after generation.

[2281] The real question is, are they still here?

[2282] Because the people that are telling you these stories, like when we talk about people in North America, it's widely accepted that most Native Americans, they share a lot of genetics with people from Siberia.

[2283] Because Siberia is what's close to the Bering Land Bridge.

[2284] They come down.

[2285] These people eventually many, many, many, many, many thousands of years migrated into America.

[2286] And they have, so those are people that would have been in contact 100 ,000, whatever years ago, But they don't know.

[2287] They know that these teeth that they found from Gigantapithecus indicate that at the at least 100 ,000 years ago they were alive.

[2288] Does that mean they were alive 50 ,000 years ago?

[2289] Very possibly.

[2290] Like a homo Floriances, you know, that the Hobbit person that they found, this tiny little thing on the Flores Island.

[2291] That thing, they didn't even know that was real until the 2000s.

[2292] And that thing existed as recently as I think it was.

[2293] 13 ,000 or 14 ,000 years ago, which is incredibly recent.

[2294] Yeah.

[2295] And this is a completely new discovery that people found that there was a totally different species of human being that was very small with a chimp -sized brain, but it was human.

[2296] It used tools, and it lived amongst humans.

[2297] Yeah.

[2298] So this thing, if they know it lived 100 ,000 years ago, it could have easily lived 50.

[2299] It might have lived 20 ,000 years ago.

[2300] It was here with us today.

[2301] we just got to go and find.

[2302] Yeah, but there's no evidence of mammoths either.

[2303] Right?

[2304] We know they were real, but there's no. Like if someone said, I saw a mammoth, you'd be like, where?

[2305] Do you have a picture?

[2306] No, no, no, but I sensed it.

[2307] You're like, get the fuck out of here with your sensing mammoths.

[2308] I think if you did, if you put and mounted a horrible avatar style military, let's say, incursion into some of the deep woods of Northwest America, you might get traces but what a horrible thing that would be to do it excellent thing we get footage i know but then you're destroying there's omah that's uh pat mcgee's version of uh it's great yeah it's like kind of like grute and yeah well that's just a weird picture no that's beautiful um it's called primal rage uh neat neat yeah that look at um the animatronics yeah you see the that face right there james yeah look that's that's that coming out or is it's it's been out It's been out for quite a while.

[2309] Primal Rage and Willow Creek.

[2310] He funded it all himself.

[2311] I'm going to get it.

[2312] Willow Creek is really interesting because Willow Creek is like Blair Witch style.

[2313] It's all like found footage.

[2314] Like the whole thing.

[2315] Like, okay, here we are.

[2316] We're in the woods.

[2317] You know, like that kind of shit.

[2318] You'd like it.

[2319] Bobcat's a genius.

[2320] He did a great job with it.

[2321] It's really good.

[2322] It's like compelling.

[2323] It's exciting.

[2324] And even if I don't believe in Bigfoot or don't believe it's currently alive, just I know too many people that are in the woods.

[2325] all the time.

[2326] I know too many people that are hunters that are in the woods that haven't seen.

[2327] They spend weeks and weeks in the woods and none of them have seen shit.

[2328] They see bears walking on two feet though, that's really normal.

[2329] Yeah, yeah.

[2330] And when you're in thick, dense forest bears walking on two feet and you see them in the dusk.

[2331] Like, oh my God, I saw Bigfoot.

[2332] I'm convinced.

[2333] And then you really are convinced so then you go back and tell everybody.

[2334] Yeah, I think, you know, basically just each individual has to make their own minds up about all of this stuff.

[2335] And if you want to believe, It's just like your religion.

[2336] You know, I believe in mediumship.

[2337] I believe in the afterlife of our consciousness.

[2338] And that's kind of my religion.

[2339] And who's to say, why should I be disputed on that?

[2340] I'm glad you believe.

[2341] I'm glad there's intelligent people that believe in silly shit.

[2342] Well, you know, look, you know, many people live in the Virgin Mary, Catholic.

[2343] And that's quite a myth.

[2344] And many believe in the angel Maroni and the gold plates and the magic spectacles.

[2345] And many believe in Zainu, you know, the scientifics.

[2346] psychologist belief.

[2347] So I'm not going to go and say, hey, oh, I dispute your belief.

[2348] There were no golden spectacles or there were no golden.

[2349] No, there was no Zainu.

[2350] No, there was no Virgin Mary.

[2351] No, I respect people's belief.

[2352] And that's what you believe and that's what helps you.

[2353] Good for you.

[2354] You know, and I would never dispute that.

[2355] And likewise, I want to be just respected for my belief in spiritualism and mediumship.

[2356] And so...

[2357] I think there's a religion and skepticism as well.

[2358] I think there's this, there's a...

[2359] And I respect that go for it yeah but there's you know i'm saying that there's a tendency to just try to dismiss everything as being as like believe the official story of every single thing you know why that's good because that empirical view will be able to sort out the fake stuff the hoax stuff from the real stuff if people of real scientific uh minds and and real you know inquiries there go into it uh that's what's going to that's what's going to that's what's going to sort out what's real and what isn't yeah dan acrood you're a beautiful human being.

[2360] Thank you for being here, man. Oh, fun, man. It was a pleasure.

[2361] It was a real pleasure.

[2362] I'm a huge fan forever.

[2363] The 1952 UFO books, yours, and the Hemings Motor News is yours.

[2364] Thank you.

[2365] Thank you for the vodka.

[2366] This awesome vodka.

[2367] Tell everybody how, you can buy this everywhere, right?

[2368] Yeah, everywhere.

[2369] Crystal had vodka.

[2370] Crystal had the main thing about it.

[2371] No additives.

[2372] We don't put the flavor packages in.

[2373] No glyceride, no turpines, no sugars at all.

[2374] It's completely clean.

[2375] And as you saw, you had a nice viscous experience.

[2376] It's very, very good.

[2377] It really is.

[2378] With or without additives?

[2379] It's Bar chefs love it because it's the virgin canvas.

[2380] I'm never buying any other vodka again.

[2381] How about that?

[2382] Well, thank you very much.

[2383] For the rest of my life.

[2384] I love that.

[2385] I love that.

[2386] We'll have to make sure that we have to do this again.

[2387] Yes, indeed.

[2388] Really appreciate you.

[2389] Take care.

[2390] Thank you very much.

[2391] Dan Aykroy, ladies and gentlemen.

[2392] Bye.