134 - Live at the Connor Palace in Cleveland

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] What's up, Greenway?

[17] Yes.

[18] Spotlight.

[19] It's the brightest.

[20] Spotlight in the world.

[21] We truly can't see anyone but the people with their teeth against the stage.

[22] You guys, sorry, I'm going to talk to the people that work there.

[23] I think we can get like two more rows here in the front, don't you?

[24] At least.

[25] Layer it up a little bit?

[26] Who get kicked in the face.

[27] Come on.

[28] Punk rock.

[29] Don't piss us off.

[30] We're a punk rock podcast.

[31] Yeah.

[32] Yeah.

[33] Right?

[34] Oh my God.

[35] We're finally in Cleveland.

[36] This was not the city Georgia was talking about.

[37] It was not.

[38] Why did I ever say that there was a state, I think it was, that I didn't want to go to?

[39] We were young.

[40] We were young podcasters.

[41] We were real stupid.

[42] We didn't think anyone was listening.

[43] And we were just chit and chatting away.

[44] We had been to, like, we had done like a 300 room place before.

[45] We were like, why would anyone come?

[46] I'm not going to this place.

[47] And it's like, yes, you are.

[48] Yeah.

[49] Shut up.

[50] Stephen!

[51] Yes.

[52] Let's hear it.

[53] He's not here.

[54] He's not here.

[55] He's not here.

[56] Yes, exactly.

[57] There he is.

[58] Look at Stephen's cookie face.

[59] Explain it.

[60] Explain this.

[61] It's Stephen.

[62] Well, it's perfectly Stephen.

[63] Uh -huh.

[64] Georgia, we looked at it.

[65] I said it has his grabbing eyes.

[66] Let him see.

[67] Look at those.

[68] Stephen's eyes are always like, do you need anything?

[69] And Georgia sent him a picture of it, and he responded, I wish my lips were that full.

[70] That's our Steve.

[71] That's our Stevie.

[72] Thank you.

[73] Danielle at M .K. Sweets.

[74] She made an incredible box of, like, all those cookies, and one of them, I've never seen this before.

[75] It was like a pink, cute little, like, beauty shop thing, and it said fingers and faces.

[76] Fucking fingers and faces.

[77] Love it.

[78] We love a good inside joke.

[79] She isn't some phony, cookie -making pseudo -listener.

[80] She knows the deep live show references, like fingers and faces.

[81] Yeah.

[82] Speaking of, the ones you just painted.

[83] Oh, my God.

[84] I literally did this two minutes ago.

[85] And then I was like, we were standing outside of the door and I go, Georgia, can you fluff my hair up for me?

[86] I can't get in there right now, what with my fingers and my faces.

[87] Can't do it.

[88] I thought you were really going to bust out with something right there That felt good Do you want to sing Little Mermaid again?

[89] No Okay I do want to tell you guys that I forgot my meds on this trip It's not my fault Full transparency Sharing always Have birth control We have no boundaries So here's what happened I'm like so good at packing And I put all my stuff in my little thing And that I hang up and then it's like, everything is there.

[90] And then the electricity went out of my apartment before we, like, right as we were leaving the house, we paid the bill, it's fine.

[91] That's Elvis unplugging something.

[92] I guess you can't go.

[93] Because he loves you so much, much more than Stephen.

[94] Thank you.

[95] And as I was leaving, and then Vince is like, Vince is Mr. St., like, we have to leave right now for the airport.

[96] Sure.

[97] In a good way.

[98] Because I'm like, we can get there 20 minutes before.

[99] So the thing fell.

[100] Everything fell out of it.

[101] I picked it all up in the dark.

[102] Didn't pick up my pill.

[103] Now just birth are all pills.

[104] Oh, everyone.

[105] Every pill?

[106] Honey.

[107] No, no, it's fine.

[108] So I call like, fucking shout out to CVS who are fucking on it.

[109] I mean.

[110] Promote code murder.

[111] Oh, that's right.

[112] At live shows now, we're doing ads too.

[113] It's, um, there, these are high integration ads where we totally pretend like we're talking about something and this none of this happened because i can't live without my wellbutrin let's get that fucking pharmaceutical money oh my god dude that's the that's the shit right there and we start naming uh zeljans or whatever and it's just fucking that's my beach house that's my mountain house that's my beach and mountain house i can live without wellbutrin but you can't fucking live without a fexor what's a fexor's for anxiety and it does this thing that everyone who's not taking it for a day knows it gives you this thing that they call the Zaps so you just like your brain kind of like get to like a little catch up ketchup, ketchup it's fucking creepy okay this is going to be a separate topic okay and this is just because if you have an effects or appeal I would love to just look at it for one second I just want to see what color it is not now after we'll talk about it but just, I don't know, palm me and effect sore.

[114] You want the Zaps?

[115] No, you're asking for me. I'm jokingly asking for you without involving you.

[116] Get it, got it, got it.

[117] So the cops don't arrest us.

[118] Okay, got it.

[119] Well, I called CVS and I was like, hi, I did this thing.

[120] And like, in a half an hour, they gave me, like, two pills for today and tomorrow.

[121] Oh, they covered you?

[122] Yeah.

[123] Fucking CVS.

[124] Where your family lives in a pharmacy.

[125] I was like, I can just ask, I could have asked the crowd for it.

[126] Oh, yeah.

[127] But I don't want to take your pills.

[128] Someone rolls up below one of those little black suitcases.

[129] I'm actually an effector rep. You're doing great business for our company.

[130] However, if in nine months from now, I'm pregnant, this is the reason.

[131] Oh, my God.

[132] That child would immediately become a nun.

[133] You know how like you're paying.

[134] You always do the opposite thing that your parents want you to do.

[135] Wait, calling you a slut?

[136] Yeah, yeah, I guess I am.

[137] Good on you, slut.

[138] All right.

[139] I meant, I was trying to think opposite of murder.

[140] Oh.

[141] They get it.

[142] Same dip.

[143] It's all sins.

[144] Yeah.

[145] An EMT.

[146] Yes.

[147] Or a murderer.

[148] Right.

[149] I guess.

[150] Oh.

[151] This is a gorgeous rug.

[152] I wish you could.

[153] You guys can see it, right?

[154] That's why you paid top dollar for those seats up there.

[155] We'll be selling replications at the merch table after the show.

[156] Little mouse pads that are just this rug.

[157] It really is lovely.

[158] Oh, by the by, this is my favorite murder.

[159] A true crime comedy rug podcast.

[160] That's Karen Kilghera.

[161] And that's George a Hard Star.

[162] And we're all here to talk about tragedy within a gazebo of comedy.

[163] say it that way.

[164] The tragedy is not funny, but we have a great time in this gazebo around it.

[165] Yeah.

[166] Doesn't have to be a sad gazebo or a happy gazebo.

[167] We're just there.

[168] We contain multitudes.

[169] And so does the gazebo.

[170] And really, bottom line is, if you don't like it, get the fuck out.

[171] People just start storming at the aisle.

[172] Everyone who works are quits and just fucking leaves.

[173] No, no, no, no. We need you.

[174] We need you.

[175] Uh, no. Let's see, it's real fucking cold here, just so...

[176] Oh!

[177] I don't know.

[178] I'm sure you know, but...

[179] You guys know now, right?

[180] I feel...

[181] When we left L .A., it was 82?

[182] Oh, my God.

[183] They turned on us.

[184] Listen, we don't use aerosol.

[185] We're not responsible for the...

[186] We didn't create this particular hole in the ozone.

[187] No. Sorry.

[188] I feel like that the reason they're giving us this spotlight is to recreate how it is in L .A. It's a balmy 78 up here right now.

[189] It really is.

[190] We don't know how I, well, I don't know how to dress in cold.

[191] I don't understand.

[192] When someone's like, it's 20, whatever.

[193] I'm like, well, I don't know what that means.

[194] I'm going to wear this cute trench coat.

[195] I'm just going to just keep on, keeping on with what I got going.

[196] This is all I got.

[197] And it was, again, that thing where we step out of the body of the airplane and that little gap between the airplane and the walkway.

[198] It's like...

[199] What the fuck, Alaska?

[200] It was snowball time.

[201] I was like, this is super uncool.

[202] Yeah.

[203] But we're doing it.

[204] We did it.

[205] And cute coats.

[206] Bared a coat to do it.

[207] No, we love it.

[208] So, I mean, if there's any place to come and discuss tragic murders, Cleveland's got it going on you guys I think Ohio as a whole like we could just do Ohio over and over this state drive it doesn't always happen because sometimes you know there's a lot of things that qualifiers for a live show story that you need you know a couple things going on a couple elements in it you know not just a straightforward horrible thing that happened and man just Ohio kids keeps on giving it.

[209] Just like hand over fist.

[210] How about this?

[211] Do you like clowns?

[212] What about rivers catching on fire?

[213] What about...

[214] That's right.

[215] What about clowns catching rivers on fire?

[216] Could you imagine?

[217] What about a balloon drop that kills people?

[218] That's real.

[219] Fuck.

[220] Superman.

[221] He saves people.

[222] What about Superman?

[223] But you guys made him up anyway.

[224] In the airport, there's, as you know, in your beautiful airport, there's a Superman station where Superman is.

[225] He's holding really still.

[226] And then there's a story of Superman being broadcast aloud to everybody waiting for their bag, which is nice.

[227] They should do that in every city.

[228] But not with Superman.

[229] No, no, that would be a rip -off.

[230] Yeah.

[231] What would L .A. do?

[232] But there was a little, like, probably two -year -old boy that was so stoked that Superman was in the airport but I thought he was saying souvenirs and I was like that is the cutest thing in the world that he wants to buy souvenirs meanwhile Superman was five feet away from me just eight feet tall and like a man's voice blasting like Superman was invented in my table and I'm like oh he said souvenirs it's a toddler that loves keepsakes key chains he's got to collection of key chains.

[233] He's got little license plates for his bicycle.

[234] But he kept screaming Superman and his dad would take him away from it, put him down, and the kid would fucking rip back over to Superman.

[235] And he was yelling it in a way that made me kind of sad, because I can make anything sad.

[236] Especially when you don't have your Zeldjans.

[237] Exactly.

[238] Or whatever it is.

[239] Where it was just like he was screaming Superman and like not understanding why the rest of us who are like sad and old and like understand what life is.

[240] like he was letting everyone know and why isn't anyone like Superman you guys he's like why are you facing that fucking luggage rotunda that just keeps spinning staring at it like moths to a flame Superman is right fucking there right so tragic to be a child oh god so stupid right you just don't know anything fucking stupid stupid stupid stupid Stam it!

[241] Should...

[242] Wait a second.

[243] Is this a new 70s dress from the last one?

[244] This is not the last 70s dress I had that has cat hair on it.

[245] It's the other 70s dress I have that has cat hair on it.

[246] Oh, shit, look at that.

[247] What happened?

[248] I mean, it's just everywhere.

[249] I was excited about it.

[250] Oh, I mean, the cat hair.

[251] Oh.

[252] No, this is...

[253] I've had this before, but this is sticking to my rule of only wearing comfortable 70s and 80s dresses from now on.

[254] Walk it down.

[255] Walk it down the rug.

[256] Thank you.

[257] Look at her.

[258] Oh yeah Oh And let's start up here Cut my own bangs Yeah, girl Got to do it When you're out of your pills And you got nothing to do Yeah teeny tiny scissors That's right Let's talk about your You have a revelation Or an exclamation Yep, a couple When we I bought a new dress from, of course, the fashion retailer target.

[259] And, right?

[260] I'm always like 2999, hell yes.

[261] Then I'm surprised when you, it says you can wash it.

[262] But you can't wash it.

[263] You can't.

[264] So I, on the, where were we last?

[265] The New Orleans.

[266] Nalins.

[267] Yeah.

[268] The first night, I went out in that dress, having had washed it.

[269] then afterwards, people are so kind to post pictures of my middle -aged ass on stage.

[270] And it looked like I had thrown on a child's romper and been like, watch this.

[271] This will be fucking hilarious.

[272] And then gone out on stage.

[273] Mortified.

[274] So, of course, I do my backup outfit, which is I keep ending up in my backup outfits.

[275] You can't call them that anymore.

[276] I can't.

[277] This is the front -up outfit.

[278] I just want to.

[279] I, like many of you, you just want to wear pajamas in public.

[280] Oh, we had a new idea of a come as you listen.

[281] Yes.

[282] The show thing.

[283] Just come the way you listen.

[284] Do you work out when you listen to the podcast?

[285] Are you a doctor?

[286] Come in your scrubs.

[287] Are you a clinic helper?

[288] Bring us clinic.

[289] Where your, bring us clinic in your white clinic fake doctor's outfit.

[290] Yeah.

[291] You fake clinic bitches.

[292] What?

[293] that's how I that's how you find out I'm Lancombe hardcore hardcore landcombe till I die product placement product placement product placement just a dollar bills falling from the ceiling also but this is your farewell tour of this outfit you said yes that's right I'm gonna burn this when I get home I also just can't find the time to make myself look nice so I overcompensate with the hair and then I see what happens I dig it it's fun the hair's great it's fun I mean you think like you're you're at a historic theater for the huge show with a ton of people and a lot of light wear your sweats wear your sweats why even have this opportunity and power if you can't abuse it terribly well if you show that you care then they won't respect you.

[294] That's exactly right.

[295] That's when they start using you.

[296] Well, like how they say, I've heard like on improv, it's like, don't dress cute because they'll be mad at you so they won't laugh at your shit.

[297] Or it's like, well, I just want to dress cute all the time.

[298] Yeah, or be good at improv.

[299] There's always that.

[300] Yeah.

[301] Sorry, one girl on the team that we had to put on.

[302] You can't dress like you like yourself anymore.

[303] Yeah, exactly.

[304] Fuck you, improv.

[305] Fuck you and your rules.

[306] Wait, what's this about now?

[307] There's an improv team in the center of this audience.

[308] They're finally saying what I've always wanted to say.

[309] Here you sit down?

[310] Should we sit down?

[311] Thank you.

[312] Oh.

[313] Thank you.

[314] I like a mid -height, kind of high, low chair.

[315] This will be interesting.

[316] Usually the seats up here and there's a lot of danger for me and getting into it.

[317] Boom.

[318] done and done does anyone have a phone book do they still make phone books or phone books do you they make them only for you to throw them away oh good I just want to yeah we're this is going to go to the hometown murder person I'm sorry we're giving your cookies away but we can't eat all of them okay let's get real let's get reality okay hey this is exciting an all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[319] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[320] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[321] Who killed Saz?

[322] And were they really after Charles?

[323] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[324] This season, murder hits close to home.

[325] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[326] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[327] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[328] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[329] ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Davey, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[330] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[331] Goodbye.

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[352] Goodbye.

[353] Am I your first or you first?

[354] It's me. Okay.

[355] And I'm excited because we don't always have control over our own images.

[356] But tonight, tonight, we have control.

[357] We can go back and forth in our images.

[358] The last, I believe it was Nashville, wasn't that the one we were like, and so they got married.

[359] And there's a picture of them as a couple.

[360] And then it was like, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

[361] It made for great comedy just to be like, it's still up there, it's still up there.

[362] The photo assaults.

[363] But this time, that's not.

[364] happening unless we do it to ourselves which we absolutely will okay uh guys there's again we said it so many people to choose from so many so many classics but when i looked up this story uh i couldn't not do it and i don't know if you know it it's the unbelievable story of serial killer ed edwards oh my god do you know that of course dude There he is now.

[365] Oh, no. Ed Edwards, Edward Edwards, not his real name, if you can believe that.

[366] Okay, so today, in looking this up, Stephen sends us all of our links.

[367] He does a lot of, like, ground.

[368] Stephen!

[369] He does a lot of research for us, which is great.

[370] But then I stumbled.

[371] There's a show, and a lot of you probably have heard of it or watched it, but I never have because I'm almost 50.

[372] It's on YouTube, and it's called Brain Scratch.

[373] Have you watched it?

[374] Uh -uh.

[375] Guys, okay.

[376] It's so good.

[377] It's a guy.

[378] Okay, these are the guys.

[379] It's a guy named John Lorden, and he basically takes you through these cases.

[380] Like, he started this one by reading the Wikipedia page, which I'm like, that's my thing.

[381] But he basically is like pulls you through all the research, all that, like, amazing.

[382] stuff where I'm like oh these are the people that hate our show we're like oh they care about facts and dates but it's you have to watch it because it's not just this case he's got shows about all the all the true crime stories that interest you and they're really cool so and because of that show I had a nervous breakdown around 2 p .m. because this story changed quite violently near the middle end so let me just we'll just walk you through it so Did you think, like, I got this story.

[383] Everything's fine.

[384] It's straightforward.

[385] It's a serial killer.

[386] Here we go.

[387] And then found out some secret shit about him.

[388] I think I know one of the secret things that I'm excited.

[389] Get away.

[390] I'm excited.

[391] Oh, shit.

[392] Oh, no. Our first fight.

[393] It's blank.

[394] It's blank.

[395] No, no, no. There's a nine on it.

[396] Page nine.

[397] I did you a favor.

[398] Okay.

[399] Yeah.

[400] We didn't need that anyway.

[401] Should we raffle this off?

[402] guys come on also there's just so you know there's not eight pages okay look at page eight is that was a mistake okay Edward Edwards who was born Charles Murray what of his name one of his born Charles Charles Charles Murray Murray don't worry Edward Edwards is not Edward Edwards born Bill Murray what I knew that guy was suspicious when he kept dropping in everyone's wedding.

[403] Okay.

[404] He was born in Akron.

[405] That's right, Akron.

[406] On June 14th, 1933, he was illegitimate, and this is fucking horrible and really heavy.

[407] When he was around five, he witnessed his mother's suicide.

[408] Horrifying.

[409] So, a couple years later, he goes, they send him to an orphanage in Parma.

[410] I'm two for due with these city pronouncements.

[411] I can't.

[412] I'm so.

[413] stoked they're loving it it's gonna fuck we didn't ask anybody about that it's no no yes with a C no that's not right well hold on I just need the people up there to know all the sudden Willowulf that's not the one we need to know but just so you know everyone in the front just started naming cities they think we can't pronounce just whatever came to mind what is it Cuyahoga Cuyahoga But anyone Wait the Cuyahoga River Oh I know that one That's not the same as the city you're talking about I might have made up a word No you didn't That city's in mine too We're gonna pick one person You're not helping You said You just said Cuyahoga Was the city we're trying to talk about That's fucking insanity I bet you're not even from here Ooh Oh, she's given me the eye.

[414] No, she's crying.

[415] Oh.

[416] Oh, sorry, I don't have my glasses on.

[417] I thought you wanted to fight me. Sorry.

[418] When the time comes, I'm going to ask you what this city name is.

[419] Stop crying so that you don't...

[420] Like, you're...

[421] Let the swelling go down.

[422] It's later on.

[423] It's around page five.

[424] Okay.

[425] Okay, so he gets sent to this orphanage later on in life.

[426] He claims that the nuns there beat him.

[427] physically and emotionally abused him, which is very easy to believe.

[428] But then he blames his later life of criminal insanity on that.

[429] We call bullshit always on that.

[430] So, no, Ed.

[431] So he also claimed that when Nunn asked him when he was little, what he wanted to be when he grew up, he said, quote, sister, I'm going to be a crook and I'm going to be a good one.

[432] So in 1948, when he was 15, he was sent to a. a reform school in Pennsylvania and two years later I think you pronounce that right no I don't think so two years later he returned to Akron and he started committing burglaries then he he basically got he got to switch out he was in juvenile detention they said if you join the Marines you can leave here and he's like sounds great almost immediately goes AWOL from Camp Lejeune in North Carolina Wow, just people from everywhere in Cleveland.

[433] How about Paris, France?

[434] Really?

[435] No, I've heard of Paris, France.

[436] Okay.

[437] You guys are fun.

[438] So, in April of 1952, oh shit, it's on page one.

[439] Okay.

[440] Show her.

[441] You guys are going to...

[442] Say that city.

[443] Chillicothe.

[444] Anything like Coyahoga.

[445] Chila coffee.

[446] Chila coffee.

[447] You guys thought that that was the one we could pronounce?

[448] Nobody fucking yelled that?

[449] Oh, you did.

[450] I'm sorry, she did.

[451] Stop talking to them.

[452] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[453] Even though I just had a full conversation with her.

[454] Okay.

[455] But she raised her hand.

[456] That's true.

[457] Yes, we need a system in place.

[458] Okay.

[459] Okay.

[460] So, the reason he went to chill a coffee is if I've always known it, for two years was because he was impersonating a Marine and he stole a car and went across state lines.

[461] So he ends up getting dishonorably discharged from the Marines.

[462] According to him, because later on you'll see he wrote an autobiography.

[463] So he, yes, my least favorite thing.

[464] He described himself as being ruggedly handsome and equally cunning.

[465] which doesn't make sense.

[466] Was he either?

[467] So he's saying he's ruggedly cunning.

[468] Oh, yeah.

[469] He's cunning like a mountain man. Or is he equally handsome?

[470] He was equally handsome to a rugged thing.

[471] Cunny.

[472] He claimed to have spent his 20s, hitchhiking, forging checks, and having sex all across the country.

[473] Me too.

[474] Oh my God, in your 20s, when you forge that first check, and you're like, I'm myself.

[475] Finally, I know who I am.

[476] Okay, let's take a look.

[477] You may have seen this guy before.

[478] Oh, I think that, we should go that way?

[479] Yeah.

[480] Oh, right up those nostrils.

[481] Was he in sublime?

[482] Now that I look at it this way.

[483] Fake beauty mark.

[484] They used to always do that in the 60s.

[485] It was probably a zit.

[486] Started as a zit and they just painted it black with mascara.

[487] He wishes he had full lips too.

[488] he's starting a little Stephen mustache but or maybe he just has large upper lip surface anyway remember that face it's going to come up later picture it right now wearing glasses okay then we're going to stop talking about it okay so he claims that after being held on burglary charges in Akron in 1955 he broke out of prison by pushing past a guard.

[489] Huh.

[490] Just being rude.

[491] Watch it.

[492] Well, excuse me. That's how lots of prisons work.

[493] It was a honor base into his honor system prison.

[494] It's like you promised you promised to stay here and not push.

[495] Yeah.

[496] So then he fled across the country holding up gas stations for money as he went and he said that during that time he never wore a mask because he wanted to be famous.

[497] You're right?

[498] He would have been a YouTuber today, I bet.

[499] He would have been a YouTuber today.

[500] So after a series of armed robberies in 1956, whoops.

[501] He was arrested in Montana and he was sentenced to the penitentiary in Deer Lodge.

[502] Okay, so he's released from there, thanks, clear the cookie area, thank you.

[503] He was released from there in July of 1959, But then he was taken to Portland to stand trial for two armed robberies in 1956.

[504] So they were like, oh, that's the guy from our thing.

[505] Bring him over there.

[506] He gets there.

[507] He's sentenced to five years probation.

[508] But while he's there, oh, no, sorry, this is a different time.

[509] Wait, while he's there or another time.

[510] This guy literally did so many fucking crimes.

[511] The idea that he just kept getting paroled and getting out really is a reflection of the time and the color of his fucking skin, I'll tell you that, because it's so nuts.

[512] It's just like, oh, you held up another gas station.

[513] You know what?

[514] We're going to go ahead and give your slap on the wrist.

[515] Get out of here, you nut.

[516] So he stood trial in Portland for two armed robberies in 56.

[517] Then he broke out of jail in 1960 in Portland where he, this could be a serious Wikipedia.

[518] a mistake I made, but it says here, where he'd been arrested for pulling a false fire alarm.

[519] It was a big deal back then.

[520] I mean...

[521] It wasn't it like a fucking prank that nerds did.

[522] No, that was like, you know why?

[523] Because back then you couldn't just reset a fire alarm.

[524] Once you pulled it, it was broken forever.

[525] It's not true.

[526] Okay.

[527] But while they had him there for the false fire alarm, he was questioned in connection with the double murder of a young couple from Portland named Beverly Allen and Larry Peyton.

[528] But no charge.

[529] charges were filed.

[530] They could only question him.

[531] Or they only question him.

[532] Um, so then, so he's broken out of jail in Portland.

[533] They're looking for him.

[534] He's traced to Colorado, uh, where he, oh.

[535] It just, you don't seem like you mean it.

[536] So I don't know how to feel.

[537] They left there.

[538] They're here now.

[539] So they're like, eh.

[540] They're like, okay childhood, but I'm happy to be here now.

[541] I'm happy to be here.

[542] The air's a little thick for me. Okay.

[543] Here's how they traced him to Colorado.

[544] He had been cashing checks from the Portland Bowling Club, which he was a member of in Portland.

[545] They had their own checks?

[546] Yeah.

[547] I guess he was the treasurer of the Portland Bowling Club or friends with the treasurer.

[548] And apparently they had tens of thousands of dollars in the kitty.

[549] Are they doing?

[550] No, I'm just kidding.

[551] Oh.

[552] I was like, I got to join a bowling league.

[553] A boiling league.

[554] I'm going to join a boiling league.

[555] Think how funny that would have been if I could have said it correctly.

[556] Or if you would just start a boiling league where you make hard boiled eggs and spaghetti.

[557] I could join that.

[558] Top ramen.

[559] Easy.

[560] Okay.

[561] Can someone write down the boiling league for a TV pitch that we're going to do for Food Network?

[562] Same in.

[563] No, yeah, Stephen will get it.

[564] You don't have to worry about it.

[565] Okay.

[566] So, because of all this, and they can't find him, the bowling league and all that shit, in November of 1961, the FBI places him on the 10 most wanted list, which is what he wanted.

[567] It's all about crossing state lines when he was confined after a robbery conviction.

[568] They got him on all this stuff.

[569] So he's captured two months later in Atlanta with his wife.

[570] Now he is a wife all the sudden.

[571] How did he find time to date with all the robbery?

[572] and pushing of prison guards that he'd been doing.

[573] Still, there was time for love, and Ed Edwards made it.

[574] You think he met her on the bowling league?

[575] Oh!

[576] He was like, that throat is hot.

[577] I'm going to buy her a corn dog and see where this thing goes.

[578] You've, uh, yeah.

[579] You know I do love bowling, though.

[580] You know, I love corn dogs.

[581] Oh.

[582] Hello.

[583] I love bowling, too.

[584] Why are we, why are we podcasting right now?

[585] we can be bowling.

[586] There's got to be a bowling league we can join around here.

[587] Okay.

[588] Oh, my God.

[589] Everybody's got something to yell about tonight.

[590] I love that there's a bowling league here.

[591] Oh, my God, our whole bowling league came tonight.

[592] The true crime loving bowling league in Cleveland.

[593] Hell yes.

[594] Okay.

[595] So, they sent him when they finally capture him when he's on the 10 most wanted list, they send him to Leavenworth for 16 years.

[596] He's paroled five years later, of course.

[597] They just don't want him to stay.

[598] So this is where Ed the con man takes over.

[599] So he gets out of Leavenworth, and he claims that a benevolent guard that he met in Leavenworth, that's a cut and paste word, I would never use it.

[600] But a kindly guard had helped him reform while he was in jail, and now he wrote a book.

[601] on his life of being a lifelong criminal called the metamorphosis of a criminal, colon, the true life story of Ed Edwards, fake name.

[602] True life story of a fake name.

[603] So he releases that in 1972, and he starts, he goes on a circuit and becomes an inspirational speaker, yes.

[604] Hold the phone.

[605] What?

[606] Oh, that's the fam.

[607] Oh, he has children.

[608] Oh, yeah.

[609] Is that him?

[610] That's him up there.

[611] Yeah, he's gained some weight.

[612] Let's not be critical.

[613] That's it happens when you settle down.

[614] Look, she has my bangs, the little girl.

[615] Maybe she cut those herself, too.

[616] She cut those herself after a couple white wine.

[617] You know me. You know it.

[618] They end up having five kids.

[619] Holy crap.

[620] Yeah.

[621] And this is him as a family man. All right.

[622] Oh, and then we're going to.

[623] And then we're just going to show you.

[624] this is this was a recording of his inspirational speech called uh it says there ed edward says build a fire in the person not under them build a fire in the person not under them i feel like that was the first draft and he should have kept going yeah with that a lot of times when you're trying to pick a title it's good to like spitball three four ten ideas yeah also that smile is so creepy.

[625] Anyone who looks that happy is a fucking monster.

[626] Yes.

[627] It looks like he takes the bottom half of his face off at night.

[628] That's a weird thought.

[629] Karen, that's a weird thought.

[630] It's like all he knows about smiling is you just have to scrunch your entire face into the middle.

[631] Yes.

[632] Move this part down.

[633] Keep these very still.

[634] Yeah.

[635] Eh.

[636] We did it.

[637] We really have.

[638] So, everybody gets real inspired by his inspirational, motivational speaking, and he ends up going on two television shows in 1972.

[639] The To Tell the Truth program, which I'm sure you loved back then, and a show called What's My Line?

[640] He was this is to tell the truth where so a panel would have to figure out if you were lying about your life story.

[641] I'm a serial killer.

[642] Yep.

[643] Hey, a liar.

[644] Oh my gosh.

[645] Yeah, okay.

[646] I'm sorry, but I feel like that to tell the truth, font needs to come back.

[647] And then also those, whatever those robot things are back there.

[648] They're like penis robots.

[649] Just, what are they?

[650] Penis robots.

[651] I didn't want to say it the first time.

[652] She said penis robots out loud to my face.

[653] I just, like, shows, things looked like this when I was very small.

[654] So when I see it again It just like Makes you're happy It does a little bit But then it also is like Oh also I'm alone Right Like someone put me in a room alone It takes you back to a time When you loved souvenirs Right God I remember when I loved souvenirs All right So he's basically A kind of a pseudo celebrity Everybody loves the idea That a man who was a lifelong criminal went into prison and a benevolent prison guard helped him see, you know, his way to living the life of lighting fires inside of people.

[655] People are very inspired by that.

[656] Is that really where how the story ended?

[657] It'd be a beautiful fucking story, you know?

[658] And then he lit several people on fire.

[659] No, no. Oh, not that?

[660] It just means, like, legitimately, if you were reformed.

[661] Oh, yeah.

[662] It would be a great story.

[663] The fire part would be fun, too.

[664] It's the idea that I feel like a lot of times when we talk about things like this, when you're like, how did this person get away with this for so long?

[665] It's because other people want it to be true.

[666] So then when it starts to flake away of this is in no way true, you're like, no, but it is true.

[667] He what?

[668] He lit a fire inside me. So the fame dries up, of course, as it always does, and I hope you remember that.

[669] This is all, we're all on a clock here.

[670] So he goes back to the skill that he learned in prison, which is carpentry.

[671] I mean, I'm a handyman.

[672] He buys a house.

[673] In 1974, he buys a house in Doyleston and Ohio.

[674] Nobody?

[675] Everyone hates it.

[676] No one fucking cheer.

[677] Or I'm saying it wrong.

[678] Doyleston sucks?

[679] Doylestown.

[680] There's no W in this.

[681] Oh, it feels good not to be the one for fucking one.

[682] Oh, my God.

[683] Where's the W?

[684] I mean...

[685] It's silent because it's not there.

[686] It's silent.

[687] It's a silent and visible W. Thank you.

[688] Finally, someone being helpful.

[689] Okay.

[690] In Doyle's town, ugh.

[691] He builds a house for his...

[692] Or he remodels a house for himself and his wife and five kids.

[693] And then around town, he becomes this family man. and of course he does the thing that all great psychopaths do he begins to try to ingratiate himself with the police so um he hangs out although he's a big talker not a not a big drinker but he hangs out in bars listens gets people to talk to him and then basically becomes a snitch um so he starts telling the police about local crimes that he's heard about and uh and he hangs out with the police they hang they hang out at their house basically they come home one night and their house is burning down and the police and the fire department find evidence of arson and so Edwards tells his family that a criminal he informed on found out that he was the snitch and so that now we have to go on the run and so he starts moving his family to a new state like every six months or so.

[694] because it turns out that Ed Edwards is going to shock you.

[695] He was not reformed in Leavenworth.

[696] Oh.

[697] Yeah.

[698] His record was bullshit, even though the cover was beautiful.

[699] So real quick, we're going to skip ahead to 1980 to this cold case.

[700] So in the August of 1980, in Jefferson County, Wisconsin, a young couple, oh, sorry, my cabs here.

[701] I have to go.

[702] Why?

[703] that's the Jefferson County bird caller and he's here tonight or she women can whistle too Karen okay so August of 1980 a young couple named Tim Hack and Kelly Drew they go to a wedding reception at a place called the Concord House which is this big place where they held there was like two wedding receptions being held there that night they're both 19 years old they were high school sweethearts They left the party together, the reception together, and they were never seen again.

[704] The next day, Tim's dad goes to the Concord House, finds Tim's car still in the parking lot.

[705] Then, five days later, they start finding pieces of Kelly Drew's clothing, like out in the country.

[706] Well, the whole thing's out in the country, but around.

[707] So then the police have to go in and interview everybody that was at the Concord House that night.

[708] all the guests from both weddings and they end up with no leads there's no clues and the case goes cold two months later their bodies were found Tim Hack had been stabbed to death Kelly Drew had been strangled and that's when this case became known in Wisconsin as the sweetheart murders and it was cold for decades so almost 29 years later this is in 2009 the state of Wisconsin gets a cold case grant and they get to reopen five cold cases and the sweetheart murders are one of them.

[709] So what they do is they go in and they get Kelly's clothing and they find DNA on it and they send it to the lab to get tested to see if they can match it.

[710] And they do find DNA from semen on her pants and so once they know that they might be able to match it the police make this announcement to the public like if anybody has any information about these two young people's murders, anybody that was at the Concord House that night, anything we want to hear from you.

[711] Well, at the same time, a 48 -year -old mother of two named April Belascio had been reading up on cold cases.

[712] She read this article, and when she sees the picture of the Concord House, she stops cold because she remembers when her family lived in Jefferson County, and she remembered that her father had been the handyman at the Concord House and she remembered that two days after the...

[713] That's right, I'm building up to it slowly.

[714] Two days after the couple disappeared, her father woke the family up in the middle of the night, put them all in a car, and moved to Pennsylvania.

[715] Her father was Ed Edwards.

[716] That's right.

[717] She had my bangs.

[718] That's right.

[719] I think that was the mom.

[720] That was the mom.

[721] This is the daughter.

[722] So that's one of those babies.

[723] Yeah, the daughter had my bang.

[724] Oh, they didn't?

[725] I thought you meant the mom.

[726] No, no, no, the daughter.

[727] Oh, okay.

[728] Forget it.

[729] I was looking at that mom's calic going like, oh, take me forever to blow that dry that out, make that work.

[730] Oh, my God.

[731] Okay, anyway.

[732] This is very exciting.

[733] So, here's how, here's went down.

[734] And she basically is, this is like, I feel like it's kind of what we're all in it for, where you read an article and suddenly you get cold chills.

[735] And you're like, I know that face.

[736] I'm the witness that you need or whatever.

[737] Well, did you see some girl did it today about The Bachelor?

[738] What?

[739] Did you read The Bachelor?

[740] Some fucking girl There's like a missing photo in a fucking humble, humble times of like, look at all these missing people.

[741] And some girl, like, some fucking girl is in a true claim clearly looking at it.

[742] She's like, that girl's a contestant on The Bachelor right now.

[743] And she's on The Bachelor.

[744] It's really her?

[745] Uh -huh.

[746] Holy shit.

[747] She told her mom she was going to work at a marijuana farm instead of telling her she was going to be on The Bachelor.

[748] Because her mom would be too ashamed.

[749] Yeah.

[750] But I'm thinking that maybe the bachelor is a front for a marijuana farm.

[751] They all work.

[752] That would explain a lot of stuff on that show.

[753] It would.

[754] What if the rose that the guy gives is just paint red, red painted pop?

[755] Yeah.

[756] That's how they traffic the stuff out of there.

[757] Will you take this across state lines and be my bride?

[758] That's right.

[759] Okay.

[760] Off topic.

[761] Anyhow.

[762] We're back.

[763] So, a couple years after they moved to Pennsylvania in 1982, she then remembers that one night, her mom had been in the hospital for an injury.

[764] Her dad took all the kids camping and spent the night when they went home the next day, their house had been burned down.

[765] Because also who the fuck wants to, hey kids, your mom's in the hospital really sick.

[766] Let's go camping.

[767] The woods.

[768] What?

[769] This had been the third time that their house had been burned down.

[770] Now, it supported this theory that or this storyline that he was giving his family of bad guys are after us and they're trying to get me because I was a snitch.

[771] Well, to April's surprise, her three brothers went to the police and said, we're the ones that burn the house down because our dad made us do it.

[772] So in 1982, Ed Edwards was arrested for arson and he was sentenced to two years in prison in Pennsylvania.

[773] I guess when you burn your own house down, they don't.

[774] care that much.

[775] It's your fucking house.

[776] Don't light stuff on fire, but whatever, you did it.

[777] He got out in 1987, and then now he decides he's going to be the family man. He's going to rededicate himself to this family.

[778] So he comes back, and one of the sons went off to college, but he still has the four kids at home.

[779] Plus, a boy named Danny Glockner, who is one of his son's friends.

[780] They all went to high school.

[781] Danny came from a really troubled family.

[782] here in Cleveland.

[783] More troubled than your dad?

[784] Is that a fucking arsonist?

[785] He thought he was going to the perfect family.

[786] So he starts hanging out.

[787] He becomes like a member of the family and he stays with them for years actually.

[788] Ed tried to adopt him and the judge was like, no, he's 19.

[789] But the judge did allow Danny to change his name from Danny Glockner to Danny boy Edwards.

[790] Yeah, so, I don't like it either.

[791] So then Danny joined, after high school, Ed encouraged Danny to join the military.

[792] And so he hurt his ankle, how have this fucking story go?

[793] He hurt his ankle and he was going to get discharged.

[794] And so he was telling Ed about that problem.

[795] And Ed was like, he basically was like, that's, it's such a disgrace if you get discharged from the Army, whatever.

[796] So that guy was dishonorably discharged, so he would know.

[797] So Danny ends up going AWOL two days before he was supposed to be medically discharged from the Army.

[798] And he remains missing for a year.

[799] And apparently Ed Edwards was obsessed with the fact that he was missing and he told the police he was going to do everything he could to try to find.

[800] Danny.

[801] A year later, hunters find a shallow grave in the woods behind the cemetery in the city.

[802] It's Danny Boy, Edwards, and he'd been shot to death in the back of the head.

[803] Oh, my God.

[804] So Ed Edwards is distraught.

[805] He's going crazy about it.

[806] At Danny's funeral, he is asking people, what do you think happened to Danny?

[807] Uh -huh.

[808] Very appropriate.

[809] So that case ends up going cold.

[810] The police can't find any leads about that.

[811] So years pass and all five of the Edwards kids are sitting they're all grown up now April has her own last name they're all talking about Danny's murder and what they think could have happened and one of the older kids brings up the fact you know mom in 1982 mom was in the hospital but she you remember why she was in the hospital dad stabbed her yes so they didn't not all the kids knew this so they all start like sharing this information apparently.

[812] Oh man, when kids, when fucking siblings get high together, shit comes out.

[813] Yeah, that's right.

[814] Right?

[815] It's like, it takes like one Thanksgiving party where everyone has a little too much bailies and it's like, well, guess what?

[816] Uh -huh, that didn't happen that way.

[817] You don't remember it, right?

[818] Oh, you think Aunt Carol's so great?

[819] Listen to the bit.

[820] Well, this is even more horrifying.

[821] Apparently Ed Edwards came home one day and he wanted to There was a bag of potato chips he wanted to eat, and he found it half eaten, because there's fucking 97 kids in their family, and that's all that happens when you have more than two children in the family.

[822] It's an eating contest.

[823] He finds out that the bag's been half eaten, and he stabs his wife over it.

[824] But there's still half left.

[825] I mean, also don't stab your wife, but like...

[826] No, you're right.

[827] There's tons of problems.

[828] Tons of problems.

[829] picked one with that reaction yeah he really went he really went straight to 60 yeah yeah didn't even there was no discussion there's no who did this sit down respecting people's potato chips okay but so it's the older kids going this is what this is this and this is that and then we came home and then our house was burned down for the one millionth time um so april starts to realize her father is not the person she remembers him to be and she was only a level years old when the sweetheart murders happened in Wisconsin, but she did remember that her father was the handyman at the Concord House, and she also remembers that he came home that night, the night that they disappeared with a cut on his nose and a black guy, and he told his wife he'd been in a fight.

[830] But then later, when the police came to question him because he was the handyman, he told the police that it was from a hunting accident.

[831] So he changed his story, and April remembered that.

[832] She said as she saw that picture, and like as the city name and the place where he worked, it was all coming together and she started having like these weird recovered memories of the information.

[833] Yeah.

[834] So he tells the cop's hunting accident and then two days later they move away in the middle of the night.

[835] Which is the, it is a good time to move because there's not, the traffic is better.

[836] It's not hot out.

[837] Yeah, you're not like boxes back and forth to the car sweating.

[838] Right.

[839] Sunburns.

[840] Lots of problems.

[841] I'm not sure what's next here.

[842] Oh.

[843] The hand?

[844] I wanted you to see that jacket that he wore on to tell the truth.

[845] I don't know if his wife sewed it for him off the couch or what the fuck happened.

[846] But he looks like, you know, an evangelical preacher or something like that.

[847] He does actually.

[848] Doesn't he?

[849] He does.

[850] Like an all -American person.

[851] He looks like another kind of person that could light a fire inside you.

[852] Right.

[853] Not under you.

[854] With the Lord.

[855] Oh shit.

[856] Oh shit.

[857] Don't look.

[858] What's that?

[859] What is that?

[860] that oh this is where it gets good oh my god okay not where i thought it was i know i know and i have to hurry up because it's taking too long but essentially um so uh april calls Jefferson county sheriff's department she talks to detective chad garcia and she's basically like my dad fucking killed it was responsible for the sweetheart murders um so this detective who i'm love with of course he goes and looks up the case, he re -reads the interview, he sees where Ed Edwards said that his injuries were from a hunting accident, which is insane, like clearly fight injuries, and he's like, oh, I hit myself in the face with the gun twice.

[861] Then he reads Ed Edwards' book, The Metamorphosis of a Criminal, and sees that this guy is basically fucking nuts out of his mind.

[862] So three weeks later, he calls April, lets her know that the DNA that they took from Kelly Drew's pant, that sample, that they sent it into the lab, and they also got DNA from Ed Edwards, and it was a match.

[863] So they extradite him back to Wisconsin to charge him with a double murder.

[864] So at this point, old Ed Edwards is 77.

[865] He's got like permanent oxygen tank.

[866] He's got diabetes.

[867] He's very overweight.

[868] in very poor health.

[869] He knows they have him for the sweetheart murders.

[870] But when he's in custody, he finds out that Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.

[871] So he writes a letter to the Ohio authorities and says, you're going to want to come talk to me because I got some shit to say to you.

[872] And so the cops from Ohio come up, and then he starts confessing to the 1977 unsolved murder case of 18 -year -old Judith Stroud and 21 -year -old Bill Lavaco, who had both been shot in the neck while they were in a car.

[873] It was another lover's lane situation.

[874] Their bodies had been left in a public park.

[875] Then he confesses to the 1996 murder of his own foster son, Danny Boy.

[876] That's right.

[877] So what really had happened was Ed had convinced Danny to go AWOL from the Army, said, come out to the woods, I'm going to show you how you get out of military duty.

[878] and Danny's thinking he's going to show him some like shoot yourself in the pan or whatever it is and that's when Ed Edwards shot him point blank and it turns out that Edwards was planning to cash in Danny's $250 ,000 life insurance policy which he never got to do so in the end after all of that Ed Edwards pled guilty to five murders he asked for the death penalty they said nobody instead he got four life sentences but don't get too excited because he was only in jail a month and then he died of natural causes.

[879] Asshole.

[880] Stupid bastard bastard.

[881] Okay now Detective Chad Garcia of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office says he is quote pretty confident that there are at least five to seven more murders Ed Edwards committed and he gave a list of 15 confirmed and suspected victims.

[882] So they have all these murders that hook into the timeline of Ed Edwards, which brings me to the mental breakdown part of the story.

[883] Because as I'm watching brain scratch...

[884] Oh, this is your mental breakdown.

[885] I thought you meant his.

[886] Oh, no. Okay.

[887] No. He's gone now.

[888] So, remember in the show?

[889] I think you did Nathan Barjona on this show.

[890] So we've often recommended the TV show Real Detectives, where real detectives tell you the story of cases that they had to work on and ended up closing.

[891] And so on that show, on the episode about Nathan Barjona, the most hideous child killer of all time.

[892] I mean, that's a fucking contest to win, right?

[893] Yeah, I mean, you really, there's a lot of competition.

[894] But that one bummed me out incredibly badly.

[895] Nothing else bothers me on this show.

[896] It's all so fun.

[897] But on that show, former police detective John Cameron is the detective that's explaining that story, and he's the one that closed that case.

[898] Okay.

[899] So John Cameron has written a book called It's Me, Edward Wayne Edwards, the serial killer you've never heard of.

[900] And in the book, he details the murders that Edwards has been convicted of.

[901] Then he provides analysis and argument for a bunch of other murders that he thinks that Edwards could be responsible for, including the murder of Adam Walsh in 1981, the murder of Jean -Bene Ramsey in 1996.

[902] But he was in Boulder.

[903] He was in Boulder.

[904] He was in Boulder.

[905] And he looked like Santa Claus.

[906] He looked like Santa Claus.

[907] Okay, I buy it.

[908] Okay.

[909] Thank you.

[910] You just have to say it twice.

[911] And then you're convinced.

[912] Say it really.

[913] He looks like Santa Claus.

[914] Okay.

[915] And then the Robin Hood Hills murders of Stevie Branch, Christopher Byers, and Michael Moore.

[916] Now, this is, of course, all of this is like, it's theory, it's conjecture.

[917] but so you know how and April says this in um in her there's an interview of hers where she talks about remembering how her father as we said ingratiated himself with the police he was obsessed with police procedure of um going in and basically watching the crimes that he committed that other people were getting um sent to jail for he liked to go in and kind of stand around and be like interesting so in the documentary that we've all seen of uh the West Memphis tree.

[918] There's this very famous scene where these parents are at their son's grave.

[919] I believe this is Christopher Byer's parents.

[920] It's the saddest thing in the world at the grave.

[921] And then in the background...

[922] No, no, no. No!

[923] Is that him?

[924] They say it's him.

[925] Now, a lot of dudes look like that.

[926] So, it's like, it does look like Santa on vacation.

[927] for sure.

[928] Does he have money in his hand?

[929] I don't know.

[930] What the fuck?

[931] If you watch, you can see it in the clip and it's just the documentary just cuts away like there's other people at the cemetery that will they believe that this is him at the cemetery.

[932] Holy shit.

[933] Well, guess what else?

[934] In making a murderer, that's him in the hallway behind the lawyers.

[935] Are they sure it's him?

[936] They know it's him.

[937] That is him because you'll see there's, oh shit, I don't think I have pictures of him later.

[938] But basically...

[939] Yeah, I've seen him.

[940] Yeah, he's like, this big dude.

[941] He has a real pointy kind of downward -facing nose.

[942] And anyway, John Cameron theorizes that he set up Stephen Avery because he, hold on.

[943] He lived an hour away at the time of Teresa Holbeck's murder.

[944] And she disappeared on Halloween night, and he killed people on Halloween night.

[945] That's a bunch of they traced.

[946] I feel like now people are yelling at me. I don't like it at all.

[947] This is not my fucking theory.

[948] It stressed me out more than you don't like it.

[949] Imagine me at 3 o 'clock thinking I was done with my homework, and then this shit pops up.

[950] And it's the most interesting theory I've ever heard in my life.

[951] They love it.

[952] Okay.

[953] Okay.

[954] Okay.

[955] He's basically the zealig.

[956] of modern murder, this man. But there's one more.

[957] Oh, yes, that's right.

[958] John Cameron says that Edwards is the Zodiac killer.

[959] Sorry, Ted Cruz.

[960] That's what...

[961] I only got to this part of the store.

[962] I got it to this part at like, what, six o 'clock?

[963] And that was past the pictures point.

[964] I can't get Stephen pictures past like 5 .30 or whatever.

[965] So this is where you would see a side -by -side of early Ed Edwards and that drawing of this of the zodiac where he has glasses on.

[966] Oh my God, I'm seeing it in my brain and I can totally see it.

[967] Because he has a fucking plain white guy face and a pointy nose and if he just had some glasses on.

[968] Yeah, and like kind of kind of been lipped.

[969] Right?

[970] Is it him?

[971] Do you think you did it?

[972] Yeah, it's him.

[973] It's definitely him.

[974] Well, here's the, here's the thing.

[975] He lived in Northern California in the 60s.

[976] Um, he, at the same time as each of the Zodiac's murders, um, and some claim that he closely matches that original description.

[977] Others say, fuck no. Um, but April, uh, Ed Edwards' daughter says that he used to make the kids watch videos about the Zodiac Killer.

[978] And while they watched it, he would scream, that's not how it happened.

[979] What?

[980] I want her hometown murder fucking told.

[981] Dude.

[982] She just gets up in a walker.

[983] on stage.

[984] Give me that.

[985] Done.

[986] So essentially, to learn more about this case.

[987] There's so much, I mean, like, I was going totally insane.

[988] So basically, if you want to see April talk about how her father is a serial killer two weeks ago on investigation discovery, there was a show called People Magazine Investigates.

[989] And, right, we all love People Magazine.

[990] It's the True Crime Bible.

[991] Murders are just like, ah, the show is called My Father the Serial Killer.

[992] Oh, my God.

[993] And it's April telling this whole story.

[994] It's super awesome.

[995] But also, on Spike TV, they produce a six -part documentary series based on John Cameron's theories called It Was Him, with Ed Edwards' grandson, a guy named Wayne Wolf, and they both, go in and explore all John Cameron's theories about where he was and how he possibly could be involved in pretty much every famous murder of modern time.

[996] Yeah.

[997] Basically, that's the story of Ed Edwards.

[998] There's lots more.

[999] Sorry, that took so long.

[1000] There might be one more picture on there, but I don't know what it is.

[1001] Yeah, I don't want to show mine.

[1002] Roller, fucking, coaster ride, that was.

[1003] That was insanity.

[1004] Oh my God.

[1005] Go on to brainscratchers .com because it has like all the research.

[1006] It has all the stuff like raw research that this guy is collected and it's so crazy.

[1007] That was bananas.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] Now that I am pilled up and ready to go.

[1010] Okay.

[1011] Are you guys ready?

[1012] For a fucked up story.

[1013] I had never fucking heard of this.

[1014] Oh.

[1015] It's bananas.

[1016] The Curtlin Colt Killings.

[1017] Oh shit.

[1018] Holy shit.

[1019] Do you know this?

[1020] I do not.

[1021] All right.

[1022] And God damn it, I love a cult.

[1023] I know you do.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] I know you do.

[1026] This is the worst mass murder in the history of Lake County.

[1027] Fuck.

[1028] Mass murderers?

[1029] Yeah, really quick.

[1030] I feel like we should have explained this before.

[1031] To the people who are brought here tonight against their will.

[1032] I don't know about the podcast.

[1033] All the people who work here.

[1034] Partners of people who are like, I don't want to, but you did the thing with me. all go to this with you?

[1035] I didn't, yeah.

[1036] When you hear this cheering, it is not cheering for death.

[1037] Nobody's cheering for that.

[1038] It's more of like, we've all been sitting alone with this information for so long, and now we get to do it together.

[1039] All right.

[1040] That helps.

[1041] So, Curtland Colt Killings.

[1042] Okay, so let's talk about the cult leader first.

[1043] Fucking, this dick, Jeffrey Lundgren.

[1044] He was born in May of 1915, Independence, Missouri.

[1045] He's the child of super...

[1046] No one cheers.

[1047] Nope.

[1048] Okay.

[1049] No Mormons here.

[1050] Okay.

[1051] He's the child of strict, super religious parents.

[1052] They're members of the reorganized church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.

[1053] It's a small offshoot of Mormonism.

[1054] Okay.

[1055] Unlike most religions, they're open to the idea of modern -day prophets, right?

[1056] So you get, okay.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] So according to sources, Jeffrey was severely abused as a child and he was a loner throughout high school, but as he grew into adulthood, he became a religious fanatic.

[1059] was excellent at memorizing verses in the Bible and the Church of Mormon the book.

[1060] The book of Mormon.

[1061] But from the church, you want to do to know.

[1062] Which he studied endlessly, so he's obsessed with religion.

[1063] He goes to Central Missouri State University and he spends his home.

[1064] But you don't like the city?

[1065] Okay.

[1066] He hangs out at a for RLDS youth, and he meets another student there named Alice Kuehler.

[1067] She had been told by a church elder that she was destined to marry a great church leader.

[1068] So when she finds Jeffrey Lundgren, who's like, hey, what's up?

[1069] I'm a modern day prophet.

[1070] Listen to me, spout all this fucking Bible shit I memorized.

[1071] You know college stuff.

[1072] You know what I mean?

[1073] Yeah.

[1074] I know the book from Mormon.

[1075] What's up?

[1076] She's like, oh shit.

[1077] This is him.

[1078] It's him.

[1079] It's him.

[1080] It's him.

[1081] so but they start fooling around out of wedlock which they're not supposed to do it no unacceptable right and so Alice gets pregnant and then Jeffrey flunks out of college whatever they get married oh I forgot that that's the college that we chair for is the people who flunked out of it oh yeah yay flunk outs yay it can work too uh they they get married and by 1980 they have four children they're all still still super religious.

[1082] And by this time, he starts telling, Jeffrey starts telling his wife that he had visions that he was at the crucifixion and that he was with Christ when he died and he can also see the future.

[1083] Just really quick, just to point out.

[1084] People never have visions where like, I was at the crucifixion, but I was way in the back and there's like a, there's a tall guy in front of me that talked really loud the whole time.

[1085] I didn't get it.

[1086] Or it's at the crucifixion, but it was for one of the other guys?

[1087] It was that those other criminals.

[1088] It wasn't for the one guy.

[1089] It was the upside down guys.

[1090] It was not, it was nothing to write home about.

[1091] That never happens.

[1092] Everybody's Cleopatra.

[1093] And Alice was like, great.

[1094] She believes him.

[1095] She better.

[1096] She has four of his kids.

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] Okay, he then told her that God had told him that they needed to move to Kirtland, Ohio.

[1099] It must be nice.

[1100] If God's like, hey, then it must be a nice place.

[1101] God's like, there's this amazing four -bedroom house.

[1102] Really good square footage.

[1103] There's a great room.

[1104] So that's where the first church of the Mormon faith was, and it's a mecca for Mormons.

[1105] So they're like, move there and like get more religious.

[1106] If you can.

[1107] Try it.

[1108] Give it a whirl.

[1109] So in April 1984, the Lundgren family moves from Missouri to Kirtland, and Jeffrey volunteers as a tour guide for the historic Kirtland Temple.

[1110] And he also worked as a Bible.

[1111] study teacher, but the church, like, the main dude, what do they call him, priests?

[1112] I don't know.

[1113] Not in the LDS, I don't think they do.

[1114] Okay, well, the main dude, not God.

[1115] He's...

[1116] The one below God?

[1117] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1118] He's walking, he's...

[1119] The elder, the elder, I knew it first.

[1120] One of the church elders is, like, walking by his Bible study thing, and he, and he hears Jeffrey be, like, forget everything that they just said at the church today, listen to me, and he's, like, spouting all this negative shit about, like, hell and stuff, which I guess.

[1121] they're not stoked on.

[1122] Well, yeah.

[1123] To children?

[1124] No, to like older people.

[1125] Oh, okay.

[1126] And so the elders are like, bro, you can't do that.

[1127] And so they also suspected him stealing $25 ,000 to $40 ,000 from the temple store.

[1128] And so.

[1129] The Temple Bowling League?

[1130] So they kick his ass out of the church.

[1131] You said the temple store.

[1132] Yeah.

[1133] They had, like, a souvenir store.

[1134] A souvenir, souvenirs.

[1135] Yeah, yeah, because it's like this, you know what I mean?

[1136] Got it.

[1137] Souvenirs like the Book of Mormon.

[1138] Or a big Superman.

[1139] Right.

[1140] What about a foam finger?

[1141] It's just like, yay, God.

[1142] Pointing up?

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] Okay, so by this time we're in 1987, though, he had already won over a small flock of his study group, about a dozen people.

[1145] Flock.

[1146] And he, by claiming that he was a prophet, following God's orders and promising that they would see the face of God if they followed his teachings.

[1147] So they believed him, so they left the church with him.

[1148] And he began to prophesize that Curtland would be the sight of the second coming of Christ.

[1149] Wow.

[1150] Curtlin, Ohio.

[1151] Why not?

[1152] Do you have a picture?

[1153] Do you have a picture of the second coming of Christ?

[1154] I have a picture of God's face.

[1155] See all ready for this?

[1156] So this is the Lundgren family That's Alice and that's an asshole over here He looks like a real fun guy I just they look happy and that's what's important All right So the Lungren family and their four children And around eight of their followers all move into a house together What a bummer 15 acre rental property in Kirtland It's got a central old house That they all live in and also a barn And the followers all call Jeffrey and Alice mom and dad Oh no no no red flag No no no Unless you're on mama's family Don't Every night they have intense scripture classes Taught by Jeffrey of course He can do it for hours and hours on end And they just fucking sit there and listen and preach his craziness.

[1157] His negative bullshit.

[1158] He tells his followers that everything they knew was wrong.

[1159] They had to erase their memories and start over with what he told them.

[1160] And they weren't allowed to pray without him.

[1161] Dude.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] You can't tell.

[1164] I'm praying right now.

[1165] You don't know.

[1166] You can't tell me. Stop it.

[1167] Stop it.

[1168] Not allowed to do, they'll be.

[1169] Amen.

[1170] They turn over their paychecks.

[1171] Click.

[1172] They turn over their paychecks to him and all their possessions to him.

[1173] classic cult shit right here.

[1174] He would eavesdrop on the cult members and that made them believe that he could read their minds.

[1175] Oh, no. You know what I mean?

[1176] He's like got the glass up to the wall.

[1177] Cult members were forbidden to talk amongst themselves.

[1178] I couldn't talk to each other.

[1179] What's the upside of this cult?

[1180] Just not having to think that much?

[1181] We get a high five.

[1182] God.

[1183] One day.

[1184] If they talked amongst each other, it was a sin, and he called it murmuring.

[1185] It was like, oh, my God.

[1186] And he made them all fast, and he would, like, fucking eat all this food around them and shit.

[1187] And, like, threatened them.

[1188] It was, he was a psychotic person.

[1189] And he was really charismatic and, I think, really good at speaking.

[1190] I think he was definitely a psychopath.

[1191] So one of the families that have become devoted followers of Jeffrey Lundgren, was the Avery's.

[1192] In 1987, Dennis Avery, who was an assistant in a bank in Missouri, moved to Kirtland with his wife, Cheryl, and their three daughters, Trina, who was 15, Rebecca was 13, and Karen was seven.

[1193] They were a family of bookworms.

[1194] They were really passive people, and Jeffrey would complain about the Avery's because Dennis let Cheryl, quote, wear the pants in the family, which he thought was fucking sacrilegious.

[1195] Like, it's a sin that you're letting your wife tell you to pick up your fucking socks off the floor.

[1196] Yeah, because she's talking, and that's not allowed.

[1197] No, she's not being subservient, so it's a sin.

[1198] Dennis gave him $10 ,000 from the sale of their Missouri home, but he kept some of the money for himself and his family, and he also wouldn't live in the house with them, and so Jeffrey was pissed off about that, too.

[1199] Here's a picture of the Avery's.

[1200] Oh, they're nice.

[1201] We can, oh, okay.

[1202] Okay.

[1203] Whoa.

[1204] So, Lundgren began preaching about the end of days and planned a raid on the temple that fucking fired his ass.

[1205] You mean the main Mormon temple?

[1206] Uh -huh.

[1207] Okay.

[1208] He was like, we're going to raid it.

[1209] And this time they had started practicing military maneuvers and stockpiling weapons and dressing in military garb.

[1210] A bad sign at church.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] Not what it's about.

[1213] No. And all the neighbors were like, uh, this isn't good.

[1214] and, like, told on him.

[1215] Sure.

[1216] And also, one of the cult members at this point, Kevin Curry, who at 1988, was like, I'm out of here.

[1217] This is not what I fucking signed up for.

[1218] He goes to the FBI and tells them about his plan to use lethal force to seize the Kirtland Temple.

[1219] It was planned for May 3rd, 1988, which was Lundgren's 38th birthday, which is like, happy fucking birthday to me. He's one of those, like, it's my birthday all month.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] And at the end, we're going to go out for Margarita.

[1222] and then we're going to raid the temple.

[1223] Right.

[1224] So the FBI passes the info along to Kirtland Police Chief Dennis Yarbrough.

[1225] And the day before the attack, they're like, Jeffrey, can you come talk to us for a minute at the police station?

[1226] And he's like, no, no, no, I'm not going to do that, I swear.

[1227] But when he gets back home to his cult, he doesn't tell them about that.

[1228] He was like, I had a conversation with God who told me we're not going to raid the church.

[1229] Okay.

[1230] you know in there because then he was but then he was like nervous that they weren't going to believe in him anymore because he didn't follow through with it but he's like but don't worry we're still going to fuck and do something violent and they're like great that's all we want as followers of this religion so instead of focusing on the church he turns his attention to his own flock which he says has evil in it and they need to quote cleanse sin from the group he says that that sin is the Avery's it gets worse.

[1231] Yeah.

[1232] Always.

[1233] You know, every time I look over here to tell you guys something and then look back, I can't see the words because my retinas are burned.

[1234] So takes a minute.

[1235] He tells his followers that the end of days are approaching, something that I love to fucking say all the time, but I don't kill people.

[1236] And he promised other followers would get salvation if they sacrifice the Avery family.

[1237] That's insanity.

[1238] Yes.

[1239] So they had been, at this point his whole flock, which are all normal people.

[1240] They're like husbands and wives and people who have normal jobs and were just really into their faith had been so whipped up into a religious frenzy that they were ready to do whatever he told them to do because of the return of Jesus Christ.

[1241] So on April 17, 1989, the Averys are called to the Lengren residence.

[1242] And when they get there in the evening, one of the members of the cult, Debbie Alaveras, said she thought it be God's will that this was going to happen.

[1243] She, uh, walked the, so basically they go, what?

[1244] I know this one.

[1245] You do.

[1246] Now that we're almost done with it.

[1247] Yes, I just, I just remember.

[1248] How did you, I never heard of it before.

[1249] Are they going to walk them to the barn?

[1250] Mm -hmm.

[1251] Oh, fuck.

[1252] Okay.

[1253] Did you see an episode of something about, yeah, yeah.

[1254] There's an American justice about it.

[1255] Yeah.

[1256] Listen, you guys hear, uh, what's his name?

[1257] Bill Curtis.

[1258] Bill Curtis's voice in your head.

[1259] That's right.

[1260] But they were not going to go to the...

[1261] Leather jacket, leather jacket for no reason.

[1262] Okay, so they bring the family to the house and Dennis Avery is asked to go into the barn for whatever reason.

[1263] He's walked there.

[1264] He's rendered unconscious with a stun gun.

[1265] He's gagged and this is the father and dragged to a pre -dug pit where he shot, Jeffrey shoots him in the back of the head twice and he dies.

[1266] next Cheryl the wife is lured when she told that was that her husband needed help she's bound and lowered in the pit and she shot three times and dies and after that the three daughters Trina 15 Becky 13 and Karen 7 are also shot and killed in place next to their parents in the pit and all these fucking members are there and they knew it was going to happen and they all go along with it in fact some of one of the members stood outside the barn while this happened and ran a chainsaw so the neighbors wouldn't hear the gun go off.

[1267] Well, they're in deep.

[1268] All of their humanity was stripped away.

[1269] That's the whole thing of cults where you lose yourself entirely and it all becomes about this person you're following and you just don't, you're just doing what they say.

[1270] That's the craziest.

[1271] That's why they're so fascinating.

[1272] How does that happen to a person that manages a bank or does anything that you think, oh, you would know not to do this?

[1273] But it's that, it's how cults were.

[1274] Well, there was one woman who was Jeffrey's cousin who, like, joined the cult.

[1275] She was like a single mom.

[1276] And later in interviews, she's just like, I wanted someone to make all the decisions for me. I was scared and didn't, you know, didn't want to live my own life.

[1277] And so it was nice to have someone make decisions for me. So at what point are you then you like, no, I mean, you'd hope it would be this point, but they don't.

[1278] But also it is that thing, too.

[1279] The idea of the promise of say, like, whatever the promise ends up being, like, Jesus is returning, that becomes so real.

[1280] And that ideas is your salvation.

[1281] So you're going to do anything it takes to make sure that that happens.

[1282] It's just going to say something real sacrilegious, but I'm not.

[1283] Say it.

[1284] I mean, what if it's not that great when you go to heaven?

[1285] And you did all of that for just to be like, I guess it's cool?

[1286] Yeah.

[1287] What if it's just like a shitty diner?

[1288] And you're like, oh, I was really looking forward to this.

[1289] This.

[1290] For this?

[1291] Sorry.

[1292] Jesus, I'm sorry.

[1293] I'm Jewish.

[1294] I don't have to apologize.

[1295] Boop.

[1296] I just have to call my aunt who's a nun and tell her everything that we did tonight.

[1297] Then I'll be fine.

[1298] Cool.

[1299] During the flood run it out.

[1300] Okay.

[1301] Then the neighbors did say they had only heard chainsaws running that night.

[1302] God.

[1303] Which is a horrible.

[1304] Horrible thing to hear at night.

[1305] You're not cutting wood at night.

[1306] Not safe.

[1307] The bodies of the Avery family are covered in lime and buried in the pit, then they just scatter trash all over it, and then they go back to the farmhouse and hold a prayer meeting.

[1308] The very fucking next morning, the FBI and cops show up to the house to kind of do a welfare check because of the complaints from the neighbors who were sick of nighttime chainsaws.

[1309] Yeah.

[1310] so imagine this fucking flock is like oh shit like the next morning yeah but they're just they're they don't even know what's going on yet so the the FBI interviews everyone make sure they all want to be there you know by choice and one of the police members is like well what about there's a family called the Avery's do we need to interview them and they said no because they weren't deemed important because they weren't as active in the cult so they never sought to find them sought to find them maybe sought them out it's good sought them out okay Stephen.

[1311] Okay.

[1312] So later that day, they're like, that was a close call.

[1313] Let's get the fuck out of here.

[1314] So they get the fuck out of there.

[1315] Oh, and they go to a remote campsite in West Virginia where they lived in the...

[1316] Guys.

[1317] Where they live in the fucking wilderness.

[1318] Wilderness.

[1319] Boo, exactly.

[1320] There is a strong booing section that I'm into right here.

[1321] They go and live in the wilderness for seven months.

[1322] What a fucking bummer, man. What did they?

[1323] And the whole time they were like, dude, you told us that he was going to come to Curtin.

[1324] And so why are we here?

[1325] Quick change of plants.

[1326] It is still my birthday.

[1327] I want to camp.

[1328] And after all these months, the fucking Lundgren family are like, just kidding, it's going to happen in Southern California.

[1329] And they fucking take off and leave everyone behind the family.

[1330] Really?

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] So everyone is suddenly like, oh, shit, we might have made a huge mistake.

[1333] So by December 31st in 1989, this cult member Larry Johnson, whose wife had left him to take up with the Lundgrens too in sunny Southern California, was like, oh shit, this was a bad idea.

[1334] And he contacts ATF agents in Kansas City.

[1335] He spills the beans, tells them fucking everything, including details of his own involvement in the murders and gives the agents a hand -drawn map of the barry of the barn where the pit is where they can find the body is.

[1336] So on January 3rd, I guess they wait until after New Year's.

[1337] They were just trying to arrange schedules and stuff.

[1338] You know, they couldn't get hold of the judge for him to sign a fucking search warrant?

[1339] Because the judge is just plastered out of his, no, this is not.

[1340] I mean, you never know.

[1341] I'm making shit up.

[1342] That could be true.

[1343] So they searched the burial pit based on the drawing.

[1344] and after clearing away large amounts of garbage and debris, they begin digging and by the time it's dark out, they find the first set of human remains, they find Dennis, then they find the rest of the bodies.

[1345] And they're all horrified.

[1346] This is like a nice, you know, suburban town with a lot of religious people in it.

[1347] And so restaurants are issued for Lundgren and 12 of his followers, including Alice's wife and their 19 -year -old son, Damon.

[1348] You named your kid Damon?

[1349] it's close to Damien which is Satanic or demon Richard Brand is one of the cult members Richard Branson at Virgin Airlines Sharon Bluntchilly Catherine Johnson Daniel Kraft Ronald Leran Von Chilly Sharon Bluntzley Bluntzley Ronald Luff Susan left Deborah Oliveras Dennis Patrick Tanya Patrick and Gregory Winship so here's I think I have a photo of all of I mean at once don't worry.

[1350] Here we go.

[1351] So these are the people that fled to L .A. No, these are all of them.

[1352] Oh, it's everybody?

[1353] Fucking cold members.

[1354] Check it and see.

[1355] Look at their dead eyes.

[1356] This was, was this a Lenscrafter's cult?

[1357] Mm, mm. Rough stuff.

[1358] Yeah.

[1359] So the charges against the 12 accomplices range from conspiracies range from conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, complicity to aggravated murder and kidnapping.

[1360] And by, inside of one week, all the suspects are in police custody.

[1361] Some of the members had charges dropped, not many, due to non -involvement or only given obstruction of justice charges.

[1362] But the rest of them get some fucking hard -ass time.

[1363] Richard Brand, one of them, Richard Brand, is 26 years old when he was arrested in connection with the murders of the Averys.

[1364] He's a call, this just like, explain it.

[1365] He's a fucking college graduate with a degree in civil engineering, and he participated.

[1366] To avoid a life sentence, he agrees to plead guilty to five counts of complicity to aggravated murder in exchange for testimony against Jeffrey Lungren and other cult members.

[1367] He was in the barn in the night when the Averys were murdered.

[1368] And he, so Jeffrey Lungren is the triggerman, but, but, blah, blah, blah, he says they were all willing accomplices, though.

[1369] His job was to help bind and gag the victims before they were shot.

[1370] It's insane.

[1371] So Ronald Lough, he's a key in planning and facilitating the murders with Jeffrey, is sentenced to 170 years in life, to life.

[1372] Alice Lundgren, who was trying to say that, you know, she wasn't really part of it.

[1373] She was just a subservient wife and that he was abusive.

[1374] The jury was like, hell fucking no. She's sentenced to 150 years to life in prison.

[1375] Two months later, their son Damon is sentenced.

[1376] to four consecutive life terms without parole for 120 years.

[1377] Shit.

[1378] And then, so Jeffrey Lundgren's trial starts in 1990, and it only takes two hours for the jury to find him guilty of five counts, each of aggravated murder and kidnapping.

[1379] But then at his sentencing, he's allowed to give, like, a talk, whatever.

[1380] What?

[1381] Five fucking hours he preaches his insane fucking shit.

[1382] For five hours, he, like, stands at this pulpit.

[1383] but like he's giving a fucking sermon and goes on and on.

[1384] And everyone in the courtroom was like, we could see how fucking insane he was by that.

[1385] He just seems so crazy.

[1386] He just kind of tack one more life sentence on that.

[1387] Here's a photo of him when he was arrested.

[1388] He's like a low -rent Fabio.

[1389] Oh.

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] I don't know.

[1392] If he wore that jacket, I'd listen to what he had to say.

[1393] Shit.

[1394] I know.

[1395] White track suit?

[1396] Who are you?

[1397] So, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[1398] Hold on.

[1399] Two hours.

[1400] Then, he, he gets sentenced to die in the electric chair.

[1401] Oh, shit.

[1402] Plead deals are reached with six.

[1403] Because of that sermon.

[1404] All right, sorry, sorry.

[1405] Cancel that order.

[1406] Plea deals are reached with six defendants who agreed to provide testimony in exchange for reduced sentences.

[1407] All those defendants have been paroled.

[1408] six of them.

[1409] Five of those people spent about 20 years behind bars before going free.

[1410] Five are now in prison after having served their, wait, five are now out of prison.

[1411] Four are still serving time, including Alice Lundgren, and she's not eligible for parole until, and then there's a period at the end of that sentence.

[1412] Like, what, Georgia?

[1413] I think it was like 2098.

[1414] Okay.

[1415] Okay.

[1416] That's a great number.

[1417] All right.

[1418] So then October 24th, 2006, with this, he had, last of the appeals are exhausted, Jeffrey Lundgren is executed by lethal injection at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility 16 years after he murdered the Avery family.

[1419] Shit.

[1420] Yeah.

[1421] A smattering of polite applause for lethal injection.

[1422] He died with no family or friends among the witnesses, no one claimed his body, and he was buried in a prison grave.

[1423] However, a Missouri church community raised thousands of dollars.

[1424] No, no, no, no, no, no. Come on.

[1425] Nope.

[1426] To pay for the burial of the Avery family in Missouri.

[1427] See?

[1428] Of course they did.

[1429] That's what real church does.

[1430] That's what real church does.

[1431] And they launched a children's charity in memory of Trina, Rebecca, and Karen Avery.

[1432] Yay.

[1433] And that is the fucking Kurtland cult feelings.

[1434] Fuck you guys.

[1435] God.

[1436] This was a heavy episode.

[1437] It's heavy.

[1438] I would have having a breakdown if Stephen's beautiful face wasn't here this whole thing.

[1439] Thank you Stephen's cookie face for getting us through that.

[1440] It's just like having him in the loft.

[1441] It's just like brushing your hair with his mustache.

[1442] Stuff that gets you through the hard times.

[1443] Do we have?

[1444] We always have time for a hometown.

[1445] We shouldn't even, if your hand is up right now, you're not getting picked.

[1446] Look at these gorgeous lights.

[1447] Look at this.

[1448] Oh, beautiful.

[1449] Hi.

[1450] You have to listen to rules.

[1451] Because they're crucial.

[1452] Crucial rules.

[1453] Crucial rules.

[1454] Here we go.

[1455] Balcony, it's not happening.

[1456] I'm so sorry.

[1457] I'm so sorry.

[1458] This is a union theater.

[1459] We have to leave it at a certain time.

[1460] We can't wait for you to haul.

[1461] your ass down here.

[1462] Okay.

[1463] Okay, here's the rules.

[1464] We want it to be a local story.

[1465] Don't come up here and tell some fucking Florida story.

[1466] Ohio.

[1467] Ohio.

[1468] Cleveland, anywhere nearby.

[1469] Also, as you know, you can't be so drunk that you can't tell your own story.

[1470] Buzz is fine, but you have to keep it moving.

[1471] This is the crucial rule that we realized in the last couple shows.

[1472] Please remember as the storyteller and as the hometown teller tonight, everyone else in the audience hates your guts.

[1473] So, I wouldn't shout out a friend when you got up here.

[1474] I wouldn't be kissing fingers and pointing to people.

[1475] I would tell your story quickly, factually, make sure you know the names.

[1476] You know, make sure that you've got it in hand.

[1477] Not but you can't.

[1478] All right, here we go.

[1479] Yeah.

[1480] So was there any other?

[1481] What rules?

[1482] Oh, obviously you can't read off a piece of paper.

[1483] People know how to do it at this point.

[1484] Someone just said my name.

[1485] Of course they're saying your name.

[1486] Don't be a sap.

[1487] Now she's crying.

[1488] There's also, the other rules, there's no crying.

[1489] Or there's only crying.

[1490] Look, there's Vince and we got us here tonight.

[1491] Hi.

[1492] What's your name?

[1493] My name is Carly.

[1494] Come here.

[1495] You have to let them look at you.

[1496] Harley?

[1497] Carly with a C?

[1498] Yes, with the C. And Y. Where are you from?

[1499] No, Ere I. You're a buzz.

[1500] Where are you from?

[1501] I am from, thank you.

[1502] Here, get up there.

[1503] Get up on that.

[1504] I'm from Cleveland.

[1505] Oh!

[1506] Yes.

[1507] That's what we're talking about.

[1508] So all your friends in the matching shirts.

[1509] We made some shirts.

[1510] That's adorable.

[1511] What is it saying?

[1512] It says SSDGM.

[1513] With some murdery scenes.

[1514] Beautiful.

[1515] The forest.

[1516] Yeah.

[1517] They were pointing at you furiously.

[1518] Is it because you have a great hometown?

[1519] It's pretty good.

[1520] It's pretty good.

[1521] Okay.

[1522] Yeah.

[1523] I like it.

[1524] Humble.

[1525] I'm going to pick all of you out if it's bad.

[1526] I'm very concerned about being respectful towards the people involved.

[1527] We all are, yes.

[1528] So I'm not going to directly name names if that's okay.

[1529] Okay.

[1530] Okay, so in about 2011, I guess, I was working at, as a substitute English teacher at my old high school, which is strange in itself, where, I met some pretty awesome new English teachers, and one was this young woman.

[1531] Oh, sorry, can we just take a moment to clap for English teachers?

[1532] Yes.

[1533] God bless them.

[1534] They're all also Uber drivers.

[1535] Okay.

[1536] That's right.

[1537] I've been paying half of my sister's mortgage for years.

[1538] That's how it is, teachers.

[1539] All right.

[1540] So anyways, I met this young woman who was fresh out of college, you know, still living at home, really passionate about her job and anyways I met her and I'm sitting in the office and the head of the department walks in and she's like oh young badass teacher I'm not naming your name let's call her what are we going to call her let's call her Annie great okay she's like Annie have you heard anything about your mom like where you know I heard she was calm like do you have any from her where is she do you know anything and I was like ooh anyways and Annie was all like oh yeah you know she left a few weeks ago and you know we're not that concerned my dad said she just like you know met up with this group and you know we'll see her eventually and basically was kind of like oh we're okay anyways a few weeks later i get an email from the school saying annie's mom did not join a cult she was murdered by her husband, Annie's dad.

[1541] Anyways, as the story goes, why are you laughing?

[1542] It's nervousness.

[1543] Out of nervousness.

[1544] I'm just kidding, yeah.

[1545] So anyways, Annie apparently got suspicious of what was going on in our house.

[1546] Apparently there was a foul stench.

[1547] coming from her garage and, you know, kept asking her dad, what is that?

[1548] What is that?

[1549] Apparently, they kept chickens in their backyard and he was claiming that one of the chickens had died and he just hadn't cleaned up the body or whatever.

[1550] So clearly Annie was smarter than that and eventually was very disturbed by it and called the police.

[1551] And the police showed up.

[1552] Turns out her mom's body was in the garage.

[1553] Apparently, she was, had stuffed in a sleeping bag with a plastic bag over her head.

[1554] There was, like, panties stuck in her mouth and a tarp over her body that was duct taped.

[1555] Bag of lime, bleach, everything, all right there.

[1556] Apparently, when the police showed up, the dad was trying to, like, blow up.

[1557] lock.

[1558] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1559] Side note, the dad was an ex -cop.

[1560] Uh -oh.

[1561] Here we go.

[1562] Living in the town that he worked for.

[1563] So when the police showed up, I'm assuming he was not happy to see his old colleagues trying to break into their garage.

[1564] And he had to be tased in order to get in where they found this terrible scene.

[1565] Oh, my God.

[1566] Um, anyways, I guess.

[1567] Did you ever see Annie again?

[1568] she did not come back to work because I know and then but now she is back at the school and apparently living an awesome life and you know I'm not friends with her anymore I was more of an acquaintance type thing but it was one of those things that was like oh my god I know this person that this happened to and so be it bananas it's insane oh my god Carly you guys look at she gets yeah that's right Great job Thank you Vince the mic Or Karen Oh you can give it to him Fun Fun Now she has a job Great job Carly Great job Carly Oh Awesome Wow that went really fast you guys I'm so sweaty Thank you so much for Everything you guys It's so crazy That we say this every show But we're so thrilled that we get to do this.

[1569] We have the best fucking time.

[1570] We love coming out and actually meeting the people that listen to our insane podcast.

[1571] And the fact that you guys turn up the way you do, the way you sell out theaters this size for us.

[1572] Thank you so much.

[1573] It's so amazing.

[1574] We're so thrilled and we're so happy and feel so lucky we get to be a part of this.

[1575] So thank you guys for supporting us.

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] And we love you.

[1578] We love you.

[1579] and stay sexy and jump!